May 21, 2025 • 35 mins
Larry and Rob explore the transformative power of willingness in recovery and the emotional impact of recording vulnerable stories.
• Reflecting on the powerful episode with Kim and Mike that brought unexpected tears
• Larry's sponsee Blake making progress through steps 4-7 of the program
• The critical importance of willingness as "indispensable" in recovery
• Developing a genuine relationship with God requires action, not just prayer
• Getting honest with yourself is the foundation for spiritual connection
• Making amends is not about saying "sorry" but taking responsibility
• Some amends may never be possible, and that's a reality to accept
• Understanding fear in recovery often masks the true fear of relapse
• Exciting upcoming podcast guests including a woman who's "sober out loud"
• The value of using original Big Book language versus plain language texts
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's go to work.
Let's go to work, let's go tothe toilet.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You sit on the toilet .
Speaker 1 (00:03):
don't you Use that as your meditation?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Not my wife, not your wife, nor anybody listening to
this podcast has eaten a shitsandwich.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to Covering Up Filter.
I'm Larry.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm an alcoholic.
I am Rob.
I am also an alcoholic.
We are not professionals.
There are no letters after ournames.
We know very little.
Hear the word God and a fourletter word in the same sentence
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You will also be offended.
So if you are easily offended,just pass us by.
This podcast is not for you.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Our opinions are just that.
If you don't agree with whatwe're saying, that's okay.
We're going to love you anyway.
You are not anyway affiliatedwith AA.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So sit back, grab a beverage of your choice and get
ready.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Non-alcoholic, let's go.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hello Rob.
What's up, Larry, Welcome back.
Hey, I think we got the date.
Jason Ryan's ready to go.
Oh, up camping June 13th Forthe houseboat first.
Oh, the houseboat first yeahand he's ready for both of them.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Jason Ryan's always down to do that stuff though, so
mid-August, we're good.
Jason R, I guess we can sayJason Ryan, I don't know, yeah,
about who knows, but those of uswho know him, you know right.
And if you don't know him,you're fucking missing out
because he's a stud 2 000 otherpeople that listen.
(01:12):
Hey, we got a little bit totalk about when people are
listening to this.
They got to listen to kim andmike's final the, the finish of
theirs that'll be tomorrow,right there?
well, but when people arelistening to this, it's going to
be a week past oh, that's right, they're already heard it.
They've already heard it no,they've already heard it when
they're listening to this, right.
So that was some emotionalstuff to listen to, to, to, to
(01:36):
record, to everything.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Man, it was just and I think that's the first time I
broke oh, I'm gonna tell you,well, I've never seen you get
that upset.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I can promise you that I have never, ever seen you
on this podcast.
In the three years I've knownyou, I don't think I've ever
seen you break like that.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I don't think I have.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And you did it twice.
Yeah, you did it twice Oncereading the prayer and once
later on talking about it, thatthat don't pull your
heartstrings.
Oh, you're dead, yeah so, yeah,we got that, the editing of it.
When I went back to edit itlistening to it again, I was
five o'clock in the morningsitting in my easy chair
downstairs and just start cryingagain listening to it because
you know there's just so muchpersonal stuff in there.
(02:19):
And I was so happy for Kim thatshe opened up the way she did,
because not only was it healingfor Mike oh my gosh, the healing
that Kim had in that.
And I haven't had a chance.
Thought I was going to get achance to talk to Mike last
night, but we didn't.
He wasn't at the meeting lastnight.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Not for sure.
They went to the Monday.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
The other one Sometimes him and Nathan go to,
Okay, Gotcha, Susan's meetingand, um, I wanted to hear how
Kim felt after that and she'slit.
She was listening to it and Ihadn't heard back from them.
I'm going to assumeeverything's okay, so anyway.
So I want to get a shout out tomy doctor, Ashley, she started
listening to this.
I actually just got back.
I started going to a differentprimary doctor.
(03:05):
Just try to get healthy again.
I switched doctors.
I've been seeing the same onefor like 25 years.
I was having a lot of issues,besides all the back surgeries
and this and that, Like I said,ever since I've gotten sober
haven't really had a day withoutpain.
I've got a lot of differentstuff and I just want to get
healthy again.
She's done a little bit ofblood work and we kind of found
(03:26):
some stuff, but she was tellingme today that she's been
listening to our podcast.
She loved it.
I asked her we do we cuss toomuch.
She goes oh God, no, that'smakes it so fun.
So yeah, she's Australian.
You said she's from Australia.
She doesn't have the accent,but she's from Australia, so she
, she's, she's awesome that'sthe sexy part oh, I know, but
she's a doctor, stop it.
(03:46):
They work hard to get that andyou just had to fucking swallow
right on that fucking mic, evenafter I told you I've got it
fixed so I can mute your ass.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
You forgot to hold the can up a little bit give me
a little bit of a fuckingwarning before you go hey, go
right into that, I didn't forgetthat was all fucking so, uh, so
, yeah, we uh.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
So there's a little bit been going on this week.
I'm pretty freaking stoked.
Um blake got his whip through.
You know I said I would neverand I've shared this a little
bit a couple times with ourlisteners and um said we't, I
would never sponsor again.
And you know I told that storyabout.
You know, god hit me over thehead to sponsor and this and
(04:31):
that and I got through his.
We went through his fourth stepand went through his fifth and
he was up here yesterday.
I didn't get a chance to talk toyou about this last night at
the Monday night meeting and wewere walking through his sixth
step last night, kind ofexplaining to him what to do
next after the fifth step, andas we were talking he just kept
(04:55):
bringing oh wait, a minute, Iforgot about this and I'm like
okay.
And then I kept reading, right,kept reading, and every time he
would say, okay, I'm gettingready to.
You know, are you ready to dothe sixth step?
And he would sit there andthink a little bit and I would
read this back.
I said have you skimped on thecement put into the foundation?
Have you tried to make mortarwithout sand.
(05:16):
If you can answer to oursatisfaction, then then look at
step six.
We have emphasized willingnessas being indispensable.
Can't do without it.
I rob honestly.
I've read that probably amultiple times and I that that
sentence right there neverpopped out to me before so what
(05:39):
stands out now?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
why?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
why I don't know the willingness as being
indispensable.
It's, the willingness has to bethere.
You can't do without it.
You can't.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
There's one ingredient you must have.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
And what was so?
What was what was awesome is Iwas reading that and I was
getting it like struck in thehead, as Blake was just like
going more and more, and everytime we'd start it happened like
three times.
I'd read that he's like well,there's, I want to talk about
another thing.
And he kept coming.
(06:10):
You know, he kept bringing moreand more stuff up and um, and
then we I said okay, I mean you,six and seven is kind of on
your own If you want.
You know you need to go homeand you know, pull this book
down from the shelf and talk tohim about that.
I said, or we can sit righthere and if you're ready we can
get to.
You know, if you, this is stepsix.
If you want to go to seven,we'll say the prayer and he goes
(06:32):
yeah, I'm ready to go.
I said okay.
So he sat right there and didthis.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I always make him do the prayer.
Why did you?
I have him do the prayer beforeme, so I know they said it, but
I still make them go home andtake that hour.
You know, returning home onpage 75 is to go from returning
home to amen, the next page.
You know, you do everything inthere.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, and I mean I, I , I sent him off last night and
said you know, we got to doeight and nine, you know?
I mean he seems to be.
I think I'm finally going toget through one.
Good, third time's a charm.
Baby, yeah, third time's acharm, but everything is right.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
The willingness is there, everything You're ready.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I was on top of a cloud last night when I got to
the meeting.
Me and Doug sat there and wekind of had our own meeting
before the meeting because I wastalking to him about it.
You know, cause I was soexcited to talk to somebody
about it and there was, it wasbefore the meeting.
There's just chaos going inthere and everybody's talking
and everybody blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
So but that's the best part.
You know, when you you werelike I started with Derek Yep
Four step.
You know you're breaking downand he's going to.
He's working on.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Lauren's done that Right it was good to see him
last night he's coming back withthe eighth.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It was his eight step list and that's when, that's,
you know, then that's when thesponsor lets you go out into the
world and actually talk topeople.
You know, making sure that youknow, don't go, fucking make it
worse.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Right, right.
So yeah, that's where we're at,pretty excited.
I got two other people now.
I mean we finished up, kim andmike.
I've kind of been holding offon some other, um been holding
off on a couple other peoplethat are going to come in and do
some and tell their story.
One girl is out of dust intexas.
(08:14):
We're going to do her by zoom.
That's gonna be exciting.
That one's gonna be a fun one,um a little bit different than
what you and I we're.
We're alcohol.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
She's drugs right, we got drugs, fentanyl, yeah,
sponsored by yeah, she's had shehad some.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That's dangerous.
She's got two.
She's got a little over fouryears sobriety, okay.
And you know one of the thingshow old is she?
I'm sorry, how old the gal isshe?
She's probably mid-30s, okay,okay, yeah, somewhere in there.
And, um, I'm excited.
Because what got me excited?
Because I read a lot of those.
You know I follow a lot ofother sober people out there,
(08:52):
stuff on Instagram and and andFacebook and this and that and.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I do a lot of readings.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I know you don't, but that's I do, that's my job that
.
That's what keeps us in thepodcast.
I reach out to people that comeon and do interviews and I
reached out to her because shesaid something in one of her
posts.
Somebody was giving her a hardtime on there about all of her
(09:17):
posts, about her sobriety andstuff, and she basically fired
back, says I'm sober out loudand I don't care.
And I was like I wrote back.
I said attagirl right there,that fucking ain't right.
And I was like I wrote back.
I said at a girl right there,that fucking a right.
And she said it just like wewould say it right.
Sober out loud.
So you know, people living insilence don't die, right, and
I'm.
I just wrote her back.
I said at a girl wait, you knowway to fight podcast I'd love
(09:40):
to have you on.
And she responded back I'd loveto.
So she's listening, do some, dosome listening, and we're gonna
get it so we can talk a littlebit.
Okay, so she's gonna come onand then I think we're gonna
have christy on.
Okay, right, yeah, so we got,we got some pretty good ones
coming up.
But anyways, you said you weregonna bring a topic into me, did
I?
You did, oh did I?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
yeah, okay.
Well, I'm gonna ask you thesame question you're going to,
because I do all the fuckingtalking around here, so are you?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
fucking kidding me.
Right now I'm going to give youa chance.
I carry this fucking thing for45 minutes out of 60.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Motherfucker.
No choice, shut up.
There's no fucking off button.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I got the mute buttons fixed over here.
Now I can mute the fuck out ofit Just what I told you.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Here's the topic.
Here's a question for you toanswer.
I'm working with a man.
I told you about him and he'supset because this pastor that
he goes to has been pastor for40 years.
He's leaving, he's retiring,going out of state.
He's bummed.
They're bringing in some youngguys and they're testing out
(10:45):
pastors and he goes.
Man, it breaks my heart becauseI want to get closer to the
Lord and now he's leaving andthere's just not, you know that
shared life experience with ayounger guy that hasn't been
through anything.
I said, well, I go.
If you get to sit down with theold man, what would you ask him
?
I mean, what is it that youwant?
He goes.
How do I get closer to the Lord?
So, larry, I mean, and I and I,but so my, my first response
(11:05):
was this if he tells youanything other than get into
action, just walk away.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
He knows what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So, Larry, how do you get closer to the Lord?
Well, I, so I'm going to.
I'm going to go back on twothings right.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Two, two things on that.
You know my I.
I I was very, very involved inthe church years ago.
Years ago I was teaching men'sBible study.
I was extremely involved.
But the other side of that, Iwas extremely involved with the
pastor.
We were very close, tightfriends.
He was with a lot of people.
(11:39):
I looked to him more as afriend than I did as a pastor,
right, and we got very,extremely close and we did a lot
of golfing together, we did alot of fishing together, we did
a lot of stuff together.
When he decided that he wasgoing to leave and retire, I
because I was putting my faithin him and not putting my faith
in God in my own personal walkit pissed me off and I walked
(12:02):
away from the church for a verylong time.
I mean I still haven't reallygot back into a church because I
had put him up on the pedestaland I had put him in that
position where God was supposedto be Right.
And I know that now and I gotto know that and I had a very
personal relationship with God,except I was doing it through
(12:24):
him.
Right when I came into recoveryand I started getting into this
, the AA book and startedgetting into action.
Getting into action of my ownrecovery process.
I came to realize that I had toget into action with my own
relationship with, with myhigher power.
That was a necessity.
(12:45):
I wasn't going to get it fromanybody else, I wasn't going to
get it from osmosis.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I wasn't going to get it from being on your knees for
six hours.
You got to get into action Ihad.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
You know, and I tell people this you know, anytime I
don't stand out in the middle ofthe room on a, on a, on a, you
know, on a soapbox and beat adrum and preach out loud.
That's not the way I am.
You're going to hear mepreaching more about sobriety
than you will about about god,right, but you break me down and
(13:13):
put me sorry about that.
You break me down and put me in.
You know, behind here and I'mgoing to tell you all the glory
goes to my god all the glorygoes to my god.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
But what did we have to do?
I had to turn myself over toaffect this relationship.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It's a relationship it is a thousand percent
relationship you gotta put timeinto it.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
You gotta put action behind it.
First, you need to clean yourside of the street whatever that
means, and that's alcoholic orotherwise right, I couldn't get
close without that right.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Because there, because there's a there's got to
get on, you don't got to getgood to get.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
God, you got to get honest with yourself first.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
You know.
Think about it this way If youhave, whether your wife or your
parents, when you know if youwere hiding from your parents,
your relationship was not well.
If you're hiding from your wife, you're hiding from your
husband, you're hiding from youremployer.
If you're hiding from anybodybecause of something that you
don't want to confront with,that's in your own side.
That relationship is is broken,right, right?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
and until we clean.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
It's strained and until we clean out what's
between me and whatever, that is, me and my wife, me and my, my,
my employer, me and my god.
I had to clear all that stuffout so I can get that closer
relationship with him.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
And we believe in God .
So positionally we might beokay, but relationally we're not
, and that's what needs tochange if you want to get closer
.
When we were talking in themeeting when you were in Texas,
I brought it up to Derek.
We were talking because we, youknow, we're like with every
time where we would.
I'm sorry, you know, we're likewith every time where we would,
I'm sorry, you know we wouldfuck up, right, and we and we
(14:42):
meant it, man, I'm going to stop.
We would tell ourselves I'mgoing to stop drinking, right,
I'm going to when.
We meant it with every fiber,bobby every ounce of our body.
But then that's also why we wereon our knees crying, crying out
to why?
Because I was that's all we didGet on our knees, we wouldn't
get on our feet and walk and doanything for ourselves.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
We were asking, we weren't doing.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Right.
And how easy is it, when you'rebroken like that, to humble
yourself before God?
It's easy.
Now God's asking you go humbleyourself before that man, go out
there to the world and hit yourknees and say I'm broken, I
need help.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
That's much broken.
I need help, right, right.
That's a much harder to do anduntil you do that and then you
get up on you, take your bed andwalk right, then that
relationship right becomes.
It starts to work.
A thousand like, and I correct,and I like I said I still go
back to I had to clear out andyou said it, you said it
yourself that you had to clearout that wreckage of self, right
, right, we had to clear ourside of the street up.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And that's anybody, whether you're an alcoholic or
not, you've got the baggage.
You've got baggage.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Oh, for sure For sure .
Yeah, I mean I and like I saidonce, I was able to clear that
out of the way and I could seeand I could feel the presence of
God inside of me and I can feelthe presence of God and the
decisions I was making and I canfeel that now the prayer time
now that now that silent time wehave with our father, it's I
(16:08):
mean, it's unlike anything I canimagine.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I didn't know this was possible, but I had to do
the work, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, you have to yeah, and that's one of the like
I said, I keep going back tothis.
It's one of those.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
So I, so I gave, I got up on my soapbox, I did
after he asked me that, and Iwent on to speak, you know,
bringing out both books and howthey coincide, james, you know
the whole book.
James, all that right action,show me your works, or show me,
show me your faith without anyaction.
I'll show you my faith by whatI do, right, you only.
You have no that.
They.
(16:38):
Someone watched that.
They were deaf, they couldn'thear our words and they watched
you and I live, how we, where weate, who we talk to they.
They just watched our actions.
They would know who we believe,oh for sure, they would know
where you know.
They would know, because ouractions, actions don't lie.
Nope, my words will lie all thetime, right, but I'll tell you
if I love broccoli, larryvegetable there is on the planet
you watch me for the next threeweeks.
(16:59):
You won't see me eat that shitat all.
I don't think that guy lovesbroccoli at all.
He ain't eat that shit one time.
He's never proven it to me, butmy actions will never lie no,
that's a true fact watch it.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
True fact, I know that I went down to uh, I went
down to had a meeting thismorning down in fresno and the
guy that I was meeting with heknows that I'm in recovery and
so is he right.
So we've had that conversationmultiple times, you know, over
the time.
When he calls his, he calls hishis plant manager in that runs
(17:34):
the, runs the operations, and hesits down across from me and
goes hey, larry, he's in thesame boat, you and I are, we go
to the same meetings and I'mgoing to go.
That's a hell of a way to bringup that subject.
So we sat there and had an AAmeeting right in the office.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
He's a friend of Bill .
Speaker 1 (17:49):
W's Just didn't even expect that phone call, that
conversation to come up.
So we basically had an AAmeeting sent right there.
That's a God thing, you know ithappened.
It happened so fast, but it'senjoyable.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
So, and let me ask you a question when your sponsor
, he, comes back with his eightstep list done people, he's hurt
what he did to hurt them andhe's prayed for the willingness.
Because it's a two part step,how are you going to break it
down?
I mean, you're going to have tomake sure that we don't go out
into the world, cause I was,cause I told my guy derrick that
(18:25):
you know how, because he's notthere yet, right, but how do you
prepare them to go out into theworld?
What do we tell them aboutmaking amends?
What is an amends one?
What are you?
Are you ready for that one?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
no, I'm not, not I mean for, like I said, I draw
back on my own experience righton that, and I know I know.
When I made my list, one of thethings you told me was don't
ever say we're sorry.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Right At all costs.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Try not to say that so that's one of the things I
had talked to him about lastnight is, you know, when we put
this together, this is not asorry list, this is a man's list
, right?
You know, he's got some stuff,he's got some.
He had a lot of stuff.
He had some stuff on the on oneof his lists that he was
worried about making them men'stoo, right?
(19:10):
And I'm like well, let's talkabout that.
One of them I don't think youshould do right, because it
tells us, unless other hurt, oryou know that we could hurt
somebody, we don't.
We do amends unless it'll hurtsomebody or cause cause pain.
So one of them I said, no,you're not going to do that one
for sure, right?
I mean, that's, that's oneyou're going to have to work on
(19:31):
yourself.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You know you're going to have to work on yourself and
just let that one go.
Well, and there are some thatthe book talks about it, because
we don't get the monkey off ourback by destroying someone else
.
Right For sure, and there'ssome stuff that you might have
to.
God's just going to have togive you the strength to walk
with you.
Did it?
You fucking walk with it, right.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I still have one.
I mean, I've talked about it acouple of times I still have one
, and I run into the person allthe time, but I've never had a
chance, never had a chance toactually sit down and and and
talk to them about you know howI was and you know where I was
and and and they probably neverwant to do that.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
So she doesn't want it.
Yeah, so she doesn't want it.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
But the relationship is broken, right, but I had
before.
It's completely broken andsometimes I'll never get it back
and sometimes that's all on me,correct.
That's me, 1000 me.
I miss that mentor.
I miss her to death.
She was one of my.
If I needed anything in this,in my business, in my industry,
(20:34):
we would sit and talk for hoursabout you know different stuff
and I miss that right but youknow, and that's, and that's a
reality.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
We, that some good, you, you, there's some of us
that will hear that, right, butyou know, and that's, and that's
a reality.
We, that some, you, you,there's some of us that will
hear hey, right, you go try tomake amends and they'd say I
hope you eat shit and die, getout of my face.
I'd you know, and you won'thear that, but you've done your
part to clean up your side ofthe street.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's, they're not all roses and unicorns and orgasms?
There's not.
But what was your originalquestion to me?
No, how did I go?
I I don't.
So explain that a little bitmore to me, because that that
may help me out a little bitwell, there's sometimes like the
, the general.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't know if I should say his.
I'm not going to say his name.
Uh-huh, right, when you gotthat.
Yeah, yeah, so did everybodyelse, but when, when when he uh,
because it was was gonna betouch and go his his amends to
his ex-wife.
It needed to happen, right, butI made him go write it out and
then you're gonna read it to meright and we're gonna go over
(21:33):
because there's something,because we don't want to make it
worse I got you, and so wereally had to go through that
and then but aren't you afraidthat they're gonna to curtail
what the true feelings are?
no, okay, no, all you're doingis you're owning your shit, okay
, xyz?
Please forgive me, xyz,behavior was wrong, you know.
And then you lay it out.
Then you stand there, okay, andtake whatever they have to give
(21:54):
.
But he, but then we had to makesome corrections, we had to do
something right.
And then when he went and didit relationship, you know, it
was good.
And I said you stand there, youread the letter and you fold
the letter and then you listenand she hit him with all kinds,
yeah, and he took it, you know.
But but after that she feltbetter, he felt better and then
they were co-parenting well,because he made the men to the
(22:17):
best of his ability and didn'tmake it worse.
But sometimes you'll have to dothat because those touchy ones,
but there's some of them thathave to be done and you've
really got to trust God and andI've never made it this far.
I know.
So you know cause.
I've also had guys go out andjust not take the advice and
think cause what do they think?
When they first come into therooms?
(22:37):
What's the first thing?
To grow back on a drunk, hisopinion, right, that's a true
fact.
I think you know what I thinkshut up, we don't care, we don't
care what you think, try not tothink, just listen.
And they've, and they've madeit terrible.
They made terrible mistake,right, you know, just like kind
of the one you're talking aboutirreparable damage because
they're gonna do it their way,all right but, and I had to let
(22:59):
that one go.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
That one bothered me for a long time, long time.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
See that that for me that's the biggest.
The scariest step was to go out, you know, to these people.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Oh, it wasn't for me.
I'm going to tell you right nowmy ninth step the fourth step
was easy.
Just get out and see thosepeople quickly, because and I
I've said this multiple timesfrom the moment I saw that crack
in that darkness Shit.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
There's that window, of that window of willingness
that closes If you don't do it.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
No, I fast.
The minute I finished my fifthstep and six, seventh, and wrote
that eighth, I want to say Iwas probably from my seventh to
the end of my ninth was probablyless than two days, three days
yeah I mean it was except forthe guy at cindy's restaurant.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
When you got, you got to see you know what?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
that one, that one, that was a great one and that's
a god one that was a thousandpercent of god one, and that one
hit me from from out of theblues because I didn't know how
I was going to handle that one,right.
But just like Blake and Italked last night that you know
these things are going to pop upas we go along, right, and if
(24:12):
you like he was concerned, hisbiggest thing when we were going
through his four step is hefelt like he should have more
stuff on there.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
There's that and there's always that number that
they you know.
Hey, I don't have a lot.
I didn't have a lot of myresentments because I didn't
trust you fuckers, so I didn'tlet people get close If you
haven't been molested.
There's only a certaindemographic of people that would
get close to me.
Sex inventory, even though Iwas very promiscuous, really
wasn't that bad, because it wasall you know.
Consensual everybody's kiddingI was all good, all consensual,
(24:44):
all consensual, but my fear.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Inventory was terrific talk to me about that a
little bit I had a little bitof hard time going over that
with him yesterday well, I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I should people think of fear?
What do they think of?
Well, I'm not going to be inthe ocean with sharks.
That's terror.
That's different, right, youknow?
Afraid of what people think ofus?
Right, we wear masks all thetime.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
That's what we talked about we talked about that a
little bit, you know rejection,abandonment everybody's whole
thing.
His whole thing was um.
Everything on his fear list waseverything in the future.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
He wasn't everything was in the future.
Oh, dude, mind fuckingourselves.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So everything was on there.
She, she's fine.
Everything on that list wasfuture stuff and I finally had
to look at them.
I go well, let's talk about thereal fear there.
What's the real fear?
Yeah, and I go what Control?
If every bit of that came trueright now, what do you think
(25:36):
would happen to you?
I mean, he literally stoppedfor a long time and finally goes
.
I'd probably go back to using Igo there's your fear yeah,
there's your relapse.
There's your fear.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
That relapse, yeah, and and if you have that hang up
right there, you have thathanging over you, right?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
because if you'll drink over one thing or use one
thing, you'll use over anythingso your fear of losing you know,
your fear of losing this, yourfear of losing that, your fear
of losing that, your fear oflosing that, your fear of losing
that.
It's none of that.
His fear was his real fear washis relapse.
And I'm like that, now that youknow what it is right, we just
keep working on that.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Let's get some faith wrapped around that relapse fear
, and it'll go away.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And we talked about that.
But you got to remember theother thing he's not a firm
believer yet.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
No, I know that's a beautiful thing, though, but
that's where they're reachingthey.
They're trying to right reachout to god in spirit and in
truth what was so funny?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
two things happened yesterday when he came in.
I'm sorry this turned out to beall about blake, but I had such
a fantastic as long as youdon't mind what you know, we're
not.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
No, he doesn't he.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
He knows we've talked about him before, but the uh he
he doesn't have a chicken story.
That's good no, he didn't.
His chicken's still alive.
We, um, we were working out theplain language book, but I was
going in between the plainlanguage and this book because I
was highlighted in my big book.
So I was trying to go over tothe plain language book to try
(26:53):
and get it back and forth.
While I kept reading out ofthis Yesterday when he showed up
he had his big book.
It didn't have the plainlanguage book.
He goes, you keep going backand forth and, quite honestly,
I'm enjoying the original bigbook better and I'm like, well,
okay, that's so I threw theplain language to the side and
we did everything.
We did five, six and sevenworking out of the, out of the
(27:13):
original big book.
Imagine that that's right.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That was funny, that's right.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
All you brother you know what, but I am going to
tell this, but I'm proud of you,for for you mean I'm going to
continue to study it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I'm going to continue to study because I'm releasing
my prejudice on that and I'mproud of you for that but I
don't have 15 years of digginginto this like you do.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I mean, if I although I was pretty proud of myself
yesterday when I was able toturn right to pages, when I,
when I knew what I was lookingfor right, we had to get down to
causes and conditions I wentright to 64.
I didn't even hesitate.
I knew exactly where it was atRight and I was.
I was pretty happy with, I washad the ability to do that.
But I want to learn that plainlanguage because if somebody
(27:56):
wants to communicate to me inthat plain language I don't want
to be I and I say this topeople all the time I don't give
a shit how you get sober, getsober, yeah, and if it's the
plain language that's going tohelp you get sober, fuck it,
I'll take it with the plainlanguage.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I will too, I mean.
I know you would it's thatimportant?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
But the pages don't line up.
That's the difficult part,right, the pages don't line up
when you're trying to find itand you're going back and forth
between the two but correct meif I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I mean, come on, you know on some of that, because
I've read, don't get wrong, I'vealready read it, most of it, 90
of it, right you haven'tstudied it, you've read some of
it's all right, but there's alot of stuff where they they.
It just seems weak to me.
They water it kind of down, butthat's.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
That's the point of it, though, rob they.
They take out some of thestrong wording, right, right,
which incomprehensibledemoralization.
They change those verbiage alittle bit.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Uh, there's some verbiage to make it more
understandable.
A thousand percent.
They've lightened it a littlebit in my opinion.
That's and I and what I did toget the attention of an
alcoholic.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It takes depth and weight right, and so one of the
things I told, told blakeyesterday is if you're going to
stay with that, if you're goingto stay with this big book and
continue studying the way you do, get you a dictionary.
Yeah, that was some of the bestadvice that I'd gotten anywhere
and any that anybody gave me.
(29:21):
And I want to say Chris gave methat at Maynard's.
He said you're going to want toget you a dictionary and that's
, and ever since then I got thedictionary.
I mean if I go against the wordor go across the word that I
ain't familiar with, I'll golook it up and I mean you'll see
all throughout my big book thebig word scratched out and the
what's the true meaning above itor the true word, the
(29:42):
up-to-date yeah you know wherethe goose hung high.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Everything was good.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, everything was good.
I mean, like I said, I didn'twant to turn away from that
plain language only for thatreason is that Blake was
understanding it.
But what was, like I said, whatwas fun is after we got into it
, you know, got into it farenough and he saw that I kept.
And when he kept seeing theverbiage in some of the stuff
and how stiff and strong it was,he recognized that well, shit,
(30:11):
I should probably be going outof this big book.
But anyways, it was fun.
I enjoy that.
It was fun, mr Rob.
All right, brother, we're goingto get on out of here.
I told you this was going to bea short one.
I am going to tell you this.
I am going to say this I'vesaid it once before I couldn't
have asked for a better partnerto do this podcast with, because
you, literally I say we have torecord and you just show up.
(30:33):
I've said that multiple times,and I've said it multiple times.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And and you just keep Bobby Thomas, bobby Thomas's
rule rules.
I'm at the four rules of my dad.
I'm finally, you know, a rule.
Number three is the only oneever really kept, you know, when
I was back.
So man is always good as hisword.
Man's word is no good.
The man is no good.
That's my father's right.
It goes for a woman too.
So right, I told you we'd dothis.
So you need me, I'm here.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
We don't get breaks in this though no no, but we do.
But the reason why we recordednow is so we don't have to
record for another week, right?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
so we don't have to record this weekend.
When can we get that texas galon?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I'm working with it right now, right I'm hopefully.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Have you talked to her at all?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
not on the phone yet.
Okay, not on the phone yet.
I mean, I I'm curious to seethat texas draw it.
I can hear her voice she's gota big one.
Yeah, she's got a big one, soI'm kind of excited to get her
on because you know you know,who else we need to get back is
rachel, dr rachel she graduatedoh, did she.
Yeah, well, remember she was in, yeah she was right.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
She's get her doctor.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
She was right there, yeah, so I'll reach out to her
and see if we can get her backon actually in studio this time.
So now that she's a doctrine,so what do we got?
Next?
What are you thinking?
I'm thanking Christy.
Yeah, thanking Christy.
I really like to get her onhere.
I like to get that story sherecorded with Jenny, which is
the sober sister shit show.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
That's what it's called.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, jenny's, yeah, she's, she's doing pretty good,
good.
Yeah, she's, she's doing prettygood, good and um.
So they recorded in my studioor in our studio a few times and
now she's got her own littlestudio going.
But christy was one of herfirst ones that she had on and I
really enjoyed her, so I wantto get her on when are we going
to have our wives on?
buddy, you better hit my wife upfor that.
(32:20):
Bonnie's ready.
I'm bonnie's been ready.
She'll do it anytime.
I know you got to get with katon that one.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Wait, but wait, cause she's not going to see.
The only time she listened tothese podcasts is when she was
with Tammy for six weeks, so shedoesn't.
She's not going to listen tothis one, but I'm about to say
cause when she gets here I'mgoing to bring up cancer and
we're going to we're going to.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Okay, then let's just bring her all alone.
No, hell, no.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Okay, she'll come with Katie.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I'll be back on.
I'll get back on Katie.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I think we got to have the daughters on one at a
time.
Yeah Well, we got to have yourkids we don't remember enough of
it, no no, your daughters.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I know.
I know They'll come on together.
If they came on together thatwe'd have a.
We'd have a cat fight probablyright here in the middle of the
studio.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
But my son, when he was eight, gave me my I forget
what year I was sober, but hegave me my chip.
And then my daughter, when shewas 10.
I had her get up in front ofprimary yeah, and talk about her
dad and give you my chip.
That was that that's prettycool.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
That was awesome.
Dude, wait till you get to walkher down the aisle yeah, that's
, that's, awesome too.
I do that again and I justcounted that.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
What is that?
September months, Septemberyeah.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, right May June.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
July.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, four months, that's awesome.
Sure, can't wait for you to doit.
All right, mr Rob.
Recovery on filter podcast atgmailcom.
That's recovery on filterpodcast at gmailcom.
If you want to reach out to us,please do that, right?
I mean, we've got peoplereaching out.
We've got the guy inFayetteville, north Carolina.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
He's getting help.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Good he's getting help and um.
So yeah, mike, he's doing verygood.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I actually I need to reach out to him, like my buddy
did, get into action Right,because the Bible says even if
that's not your God, it doesn'tmatter.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Right, right, a thousand percent.
Oh, I just lost it, I justfucking lost it.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Well, because you're old, I know, I know it sucks.
God, I need some ginkgo biloba.
You need?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
something you need to go up there and work out with
my buddy at the den in Ripon.
Yeah, I'll go to the den.
You need to go, do that.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I'll go do that All right, later Later.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
We hope you learned something today that will help
you.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
If you did not come back next week and we'll try
again If you like what we heard,give us a five-star review.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
If you don't like what you heard, kiss my ass.
I can't say that, can you?
Anyway, if you don't like whatyou heard, go ahead and tell us
that too.
We'll see what we can improve.
We probably won't changenothing, but do it anyway.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Hey, thanks, Rob.
Come back next week andhopefully something will be
different and something willsink in.
Take care, this has beenRecovery Unfil.
(35:17):
Thank you.
Let's go to work.
Let's go to work, let's go tothe toilet.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You sit on the toilet .
Speaker 1 (00:03):
don't you Use that as your meditation?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Not my wife, not your wife, nor anybody listening to
this podcast has eaten a shitsandwich.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to Covering Up Filter.
I'm Larry.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm an alcoholic.
I am Rob.
I am also an alcoholic.
We are not professionals.
There are no letters after ournames.
We know very little.
Hear the word God and a fourletter word in the same sentence
.
You will also be offended.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Our opinions are just that.
If you don't agree with whatwe're saying, that's okay.
We're going to love you anyway.
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
So sit back, grab a beverage of your choice and get
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Non-alcoholic, let's go.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hello Rob.
What's up, Larry, Welcome back.
Hey, I think we got the date.
Jason Ryan's ready to go.
Oh, up camping June 13th Forthe houseboat first.
Oh, the houseboat first yeahand he's ready for both of them.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Jason Ryan's always down to do that stuff though, so
mid-August, we're good.
Jason R, I guess we can sayJason Ryan, I don't know, yeah,
about who knows, but those of uswho know him, you know right.
And if you don't know him,you're fucking missing out
because he's a stud 2 000 otherpeople that listen.
(01:12):
Hey, we got a little bit totalk about when people are
listening to this.
They got to listen to kim andmike's final the, the finish of
theirs that'll be tomorrow,right there?
well, but when people arelistening to this, it's going to
be a week past oh, that's right, they're already heard it.
They've already heard it no,they've already heard it when
they're listening to this, right.
So that was some emotionalstuff to listen to, to, to, to
(01:36):
record, to everything.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Man, it was just and I think that's the first time I
broke oh, I'm gonna tell you,well, I've never seen you get
that upset.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I can promise you that I have never, ever seen you
on this podcast.
In the three years I've knownyou, I don't think I've ever
seen you break like that.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I don't think I have.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And you did it twice.
Yeah, you did it twice Oncereading the prayer and once
later on talking about it, thatthat don't pull your
heartstrings.
Oh, you're dead, yeah so, yeah,we got that, the editing of it.
When I went back to edit itlistening to it again, I was
five o'clock in the morningsitting in my easy chair
downstairs and just start cryingagain listening to it because
you know there's just so muchpersonal stuff in there.
(02:19):
And I was so happy for Kim thatshe opened up the way she did,
because not only was it healingfor Mike oh my gosh, the healing
that Kim had in that.
And I haven't had a chance.
Thought I was going to get achance to talk to Mike last
night, but we didn't.
He wasn't at the meeting lastnight.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Not for sure.
They went to the Monday.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
The other one Sometimes him and Nathan go to,
Okay, Gotcha, Susan's meetingand, um, I wanted to hear how
Kim felt after that and she'slit.
She was listening to it and Ihadn't heard back from them.
I'm going to assumeeverything's okay, so anyway.
So I want to get a shout out tomy doctor, Ashley, she started
listening to this.
I actually just got back.
I started going to a differentprimary doctor.
(03:05):
Just try to get healthy again.
I switched doctors.
I've been seeing the same onefor like 25 years.
I was having a lot of issues,besides all the back surgeries
and this and that, Like I said,ever since I've gotten sober
haven't really had a day withoutpain.
I've got a lot of differentstuff and I just want to get
healthy again.
She's done a little bit ofblood work and we kind of found
(03:26):
some stuff, but she was tellingme today that she's been
listening to our podcast.
She loved it.
I asked her we do we cuss toomuch.
She goes oh God, no, that'smakes it so fun.
So yeah, she's Australian.
You said she's from Australia.
She doesn't have the accent,but she's from Australia, so she
, she's, she's awesome that'sthe sexy part oh, I know, but
she's a doctor, stop it.
(03:46):
They work hard to get that andyou just had to fucking swallow
right on that fucking mic, evenafter I told you I've got it
fixed so I can mute your ass.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
You forgot to hold the can up a little bit give me
a little bit of a fuckingwarning before you go hey, go
right into that, I didn't forgetthat was all fucking so, uh, so
, yeah, we uh.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
So there's a little bit been going on this week.
I'm pretty freaking stoked.
Um blake got his whip through.
You know I said I would neverand I've shared this a little
bit a couple times with ourlisteners and um said we't, I
would never sponsor again.
And you know I told that storyabout.
You know, god hit me over thehead to sponsor and this and
(04:31):
that and I got through his.
We went through his fourth stepand went through his fifth and
he was up here yesterday.
I didn't get a chance to talk toyou about this last night at
the Monday night meeting and wewere walking through his sixth
step last night, kind ofexplaining to him what to do
next after the fifth step, andas we were talking he just kept
(04:55):
bringing oh wait, a minute, Iforgot about this and I'm like
okay.
And then I kept reading, right,kept reading, and every time he
would say, okay, I'm gettingready to.
You know, are you ready to dothe sixth step?
And he would sit there andthink a little bit and I would
read this back.
I said have you skimped on thecement put into the foundation?
Have you tried to make mortarwithout sand.
(05:16):
If you can answer to oursatisfaction, then then look at
step six.
We have emphasized willingnessas being indispensable.
Can't do without it.
I rob honestly.
I've read that probably amultiple times and I that that
sentence right there neverpopped out to me before so what
(05:39):
stands out now?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
why?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
why I don't know the willingness as being
indispensable.
It's, the willingness has to bethere.
You can't do without it.
You can't.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
There's one ingredient you must have.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
And what was so?
What was what was awesome is Iwas reading that and I was
getting it like struck in thehead, as Blake was just like
going more and more, and everytime we'd start it happened like
three times.
I'd read that he's like well,there's, I want to talk about
another thing.
And he kept coming.
(06:10):
You know, he kept bringing moreand more stuff up and um, and
then we I said okay, I mean you,six and seven is kind of on
your own If you want.
You know you need to go homeand you know, pull this book
down from the shelf and talk tohim about that.
I said, or we can sit righthere and if you're ready we can
get to.
You know, if you, this is stepsix.
If you want to go to seven,we'll say the prayer and he goes
(06:32):
yeah, I'm ready to go.
I said okay.
So he sat right there and didthis.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I always make him do the prayer.
Why did you?
I have him do the prayer beforeme, so I know they said it, but
I still make them go home andtake that hour.
You know, returning home onpage 75 is to go from returning
home to amen, the next page.
You know, you do everything inthere.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, and I mean I, I , I sent him off last night and
said you know, we got to doeight and nine, you know?
I mean he seems to be.
I think I'm finally going toget through one.
Good, third time's a charm.
Baby, yeah, third time's acharm, but everything is right.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
The willingness is there, everything You're ready.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I was on top of a cloud last night when I got to
the meeting.
Me and Doug sat there and wekind of had our own meeting
before the meeting because I wastalking to him about it.
You know, cause I was soexcited to talk to somebody
about it and there was, it wasbefore the meeting.
There's just chaos going inthere and everybody's talking
and everybody blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
So but that's the best part.
You know, when you you werelike I started with Derek Yep
Four step.
You know you're breaking downand he's going to.
He's working on.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Lauren's done that Right it was good to see him
last night he's coming back withthe eighth.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It was his eight step list and that's when, that's,
you know, then that's when thesponsor lets you go out into the
world and actually talk topeople.
You know, making sure that youknow, don't go, fucking make it
worse.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Right, right.
So yeah, that's where we're at,pretty excited.
I got two other people now.
I mean we finished up, kim andmike.
I've kind of been holding offon some other, um been holding
off on a couple other peoplethat are going to come in and do
some and tell their story.
One girl is out of dust intexas.
(08:14):
We're going to do her by zoom.
That's gonna be exciting.
That one's gonna be a fun one,um a little bit different than
what you and I we're.
We're alcohol.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
She's drugs right, we got drugs, fentanyl, yeah,
sponsored by yeah, she's had shehad some.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That's dangerous.
She's got two.
She's got a little over fouryears sobriety, okay.
And you know one of the thingshow old is she?
I'm sorry, how old the gal isshe?
She's probably mid-30s, okay,okay, yeah, somewhere in there.
And, um, I'm excited.
Because what got me excited?
Because I read a lot of those.
You know I follow a lot ofother sober people out there,
(08:52):
stuff on Instagram and and andFacebook and this and that and.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I do a lot of readings.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I know you don't, but that's I do, that's my job that
.
That's what keeps us in thepodcast.
I reach out to people that comeon and do interviews and I
reached out to her because shesaid something in one of her
posts.
Somebody was giving her a hardtime on there about all of her
(09:17):
posts, about her sobriety andstuff, and she basically fired
back, says I'm sober out loudand I don't care.
And I was like I wrote back.
I said attagirl right there,that fucking ain't right.
And I was like I wrote back.
I said at a girl right there,that fucking a right.
And she said it just like wewould say it right.
Sober out loud.
So you know, people living insilence don't die, right, and
I'm.
I just wrote her back.
I said at a girl wait, you knowway to fight podcast I'd love
(09:40):
to have you on.
And she responded back I'd loveto.
So she's listening, do some, dosome listening, and we're gonna
get it so we can talk a littlebit.
Okay, so she's gonna come onand then I think we're gonna
have christy on.
Okay, right, yeah, so we got,we got some pretty good ones
coming up.
But anyways, you said you weregonna bring a topic into me, did
I?
You did, oh did I?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
yeah, okay.
Well, I'm gonna ask you thesame question you're going to,
because I do all the fuckingtalking around here, so are you?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
fucking kidding me.
Right now I'm going to give youa chance.
I carry this fucking thing for45 minutes out of 60.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Motherfucker.
No choice, shut up.
There's no fucking off button.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I got the mute buttons fixed over here.
Now I can mute the fuck out ofit Just what I told you.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Here's the topic.
Here's a question for you toanswer.
I'm working with a man.
I told you about him and he'supset because this pastor that
he goes to has been pastor for40 years.
He's leaving, he's retiring,going out of state.
He's bummed.
They're bringing in some youngguys and they're testing out
(10:45):
pastors and he goes.
Man, it breaks my heart becauseI want to get closer to the
Lord and now he's leaving andthere's just not, you know that
shared life experience with ayounger guy that hasn't been
through anything.
I said, well, I go.
If you get to sit down with theold man, what would you ask him
?
I mean, what is it that youwant?
He goes.
How do I get closer to the Lord?
So, larry, I mean, and I and I,but so my, my first response
(11:05):
was this if he tells youanything other than get into
action, just walk away.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
He knows what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So, Larry, how do you get closer to the Lord?
Well, I, so I'm going to.
I'm going to go back on twothings right.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Two, two things on that.
You know my I.
I I was very, very involved inthe church years ago.
Years ago I was teaching men'sBible study.
I was extremely involved.
But the other side of that, Iwas extremely involved with the
pastor.
We were very close, tightfriends.
He was with a lot of people.
(11:39):
I looked to him more as afriend than I did as a pastor,
right, and we got very,extremely close and we did a lot
of golfing together, we did alot of fishing together, we did
a lot of stuff together.
When he decided that he wasgoing to leave and retire, I
because I was putting my faithin him and not putting my faith
in God in my own personal walkit pissed me off and I walked
(12:02):
away from the church for a verylong time.
I mean I still haven't reallygot back into a church because I
had put him up on the pedestaland I had put him in that
position where God was supposedto be Right.
And I know that now and I gotto know that and I had a very
personal relationship with God,except I was doing it through
(12:24):
him.
Right when I came into recoveryand I started getting into this
, the AA book and startedgetting into action.
Getting into action of my ownrecovery process.
I came to realize that I had toget into action with my own
relationship with, with myhigher power.
That was a necessity.
(12:45):
I wasn't going to get it fromanybody else, I wasn't going to
get it from osmosis.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I wasn't going to get it from being on your knees for
six hours.
You got to get into action Ihad.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
You know, and I tell people this you know, anytime I
don't stand out in the middle ofthe room on a, on a, on a, you
know, on a soapbox and beat adrum and preach out loud.
That's not the way I am.
You're going to hear mepreaching more about sobriety
than you will about about god,right, but you break me down and
(13:13):
put me sorry about that.
You break me down and put me in.
You know, behind here and I'mgoing to tell you all the glory
goes to my god all the glorygoes to my god.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
But what did we have to do?
I had to turn myself over toaffect this relationship.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It's a relationship it is a thousand percent
relationship you gotta put timeinto it.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
You gotta put action behind it.
First, you need to clean yourside of the street whatever that
means, and that's alcoholic orotherwise right, I couldn't get
close without that right.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Because there, because there's a there's got to
get on, you don't got to getgood to get.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
God, you got to get honest with yourself first.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
You know.
Think about it this way If youhave, whether your wife or your
parents, when you know if youwere hiding from your parents,
your relationship was not well.
If you're hiding from your wife, you're hiding from your
husband, you're hiding from youremployer.
If you're hiding from anybodybecause of something that you
don't want to confront with,that's in your own side.
That relationship is is broken,right, right?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
and until we clean.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
It's strained and until we clean out what's
between me and whatever, that is, me and my wife, me and my, my,
my employer, me and my god.
I had to clear all that stuffout so I can get that closer
relationship with him.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
And we believe in God .
So positionally we might beokay, but relationally we're not
, and that's what needs tochange if you want to get closer
.
When we were talking in themeeting when you were in Texas,
I brought it up to Derek.
We were talking because we, youknow, we're like with every
time where we would.
I'm sorry, you know, we're likewith every time where we would,
I'm sorry, you know we wouldfuck up, right, and we and we
(14:42):
meant it, man, I'm going to stop.
We would tell ourselves I'mgoing to stop drinking, right,
I'm going to when.
We meant it with every fiber,bobby every ounce of our body.
But then that's also why we wereon our knees crying, crying out
to why?
Because I was that's all we didGet on our knees, we wouldn't
get on our feet and walk and doanything for ourselves.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
We were asking, we weren't doing.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Right.
And how easy is it, when you'rebroken like that, to humble
yourself before God?
It's easy.
Now God's asking you go humbleyourself before that man, go out
there to the world and hit yourknees and say I'm broken, I
need help.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
That's much broken.
I need help, right, right.
That's a much harder to do anduntil you do that and then you
get up on you, take your bed andwalk right, then that
relationship right becomes.
It starts to work.
A thousand like, and I correct,and I like I said I still go
back to I had to clear out andyou said it, you said it
yourself that you had to clearout that wreckage of self, right
, right, we had to clear ourside of the street up.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And that's anybody, whether you're an alcoholic or
not, you've got the baggage.
You've got baggage.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Oh, for sure For sure .
Yeah, I mean I and like I saidonce, I was able to clear that
out of the way and I could seeand I could feel the presence of
God inside of me and I can feelthe presence of God and the
decisions I was making and I canfeel that now the prayer time
now that now that silent time wehave with our father, it's I
(16:08):
mean, it's unlike anything I canimagine.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I didn't know this was possible, but I had to do
the work, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, you have to yeah, and that's one of the like
I said, I keep going back tothis.
It's one of those.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
So I, so I gave, I got up on my soapbox, I did
after he asked me that, and Iwent on to speak, you know,
bringing out both books and howthey coincide, james, you know
the whole book.
James, all that right action,show me your works, or show me,
show me your faith without anyaction.
I'll show you my faith by whatI do, right, you only.
You have no that.
They.
(16:38):
Someone watched that.
They were deaf, they couldn'thear our words and they watched
you and I live, how we, where weate, who we talk to they.
They just watched our actions.
They would know who we believe,oh for sure, they would know
where you know.
They would know, because ouractions, actions don't lie.
Nope, my words will lie all thetime, right, but I'll tell you
if I love broccoli, larryvegetable there is on the planet
you watch me for the next threeweeks.
(16:59):
You won't see me eat that shitat all.
I don't think that guy lovesbroccoli at all.
He ain't eat that shit one time.
He's never proven it to me, butmy actions will never lie no,
that's a true fact watch it.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
True fact, I know that I went down to uh, I went
down to had a meeting thismorning down in fresno and the
guy that I was meeting with heknows that I'm in recovery and
so is he right.
So we've had that conversationmultiple times, you know, over
the time.
When he calls his, he calls hishis plant manager in that runs
(17:34):
the, runs the operations, and hesits down across from me and
goes hey, larry, he's in thesame boat, you and I are, we go
to the same meetings and I'mgoing to go.
That's a hell of a way to bringup that subject.
So we sat there and had an AAmeeting right in the office.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
He's a friend of Bill .
Speaker 1 (17:49):
W's Just didn't even expect that phone call, that
conversation to come up.
So we basically had an AAmeeting sent right there.
That's a God thing, you know ithappened.
It happened so fast, but it'senjoyable.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
So, and let me ask you a question when your sponsor
, he, comes back with his eightstep list done people, he's hurt
what he did to hurt them andhe's prayed for the willingness.
Because it's a two part step,how are you going to break it
down?
I mean, you're going to have tomake sure that we don't go out
into the world, cause I was,cause I told my guy derrick that
(18:25):
you know how, because he's notthere yet, right, but how do you
prepare them to go out into theworld?
What do we tell them aboutmaking amends?
What is an amends one?
What are you?
Are you ready for that one?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
no, I'm not, not I mean for, like I said, I draw
back on my own experience righton that, and I know I know.
When I made my list, one of thethings you told me was don't
ever say we're sorry.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Right At all costs.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Try not to say that so that's one of the things I
had talked to him about lastnight is, you know, when we put
this together, this is not asorry list, this is a man's list
, right?
You know, he's got some stuff,he's got some.
He had a lot of stuff.
He had some stuff on the on oneof his lists that he was
worried about making them men'stoo, right?
(19:10):
And I'm like well, let's talkabout that.
One of them I don't think youshould do right, because it
tells us, unless other hurt, oryou know that we could hurt
somebody, we don't.
We do amends unless it'll hurtsomebody or cause cause pain.
So one of them I said, no,you're not going to do that one
for sure, right?
I mean, that's, that's oneyou're going to have to work on
(19:31):
yourself.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You know you're going to have to work on yourself and
just let that one go.
Well, and there are some thatthe book talks about it, because
we don't get the monkey off ourback by destroying someone else
.
Right For sure, and there'ssome stuff that you might have
to.
God's just going to have togive you the strength to walk
with you.
Did it?
You fucking walk with it, right.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I still have one.
I mean, I've talked about it acouple of times I still have one
, and I run into the person allthe time, but I've never had a
chance, never had a chance toactually sit down and and and
talk to them about you know howI was and you know where I was
and and and they probably neverwant to do that.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
So she doesn't want it.
Yeah, so she doesn't want it.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
But the relationship is broken, right, but I had
before.
It's completely broken andsometimes I'll never get it back
and sometimes that's all on me,correct.
That's me, 1000 me.
I miss that mentor.
I miss her to death.
She was one of my.
If I needed anything in this,in my business, in my industry,
(20:34):
we would sit and talk for hoursabout you know different stuff
and I miss that right but youknow, and that's, and that's a
reality.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
We, that some good, you, you, there's some of us
that will hear that, right, butyou know, and that's, and that's
a reality.
We, that some, you, you,there's some of us that will
hear hey, right, you go try tomake amends and they'd say I
hope you eat shit and die, getout of my face.
I'd you know, and you won'thear that, but you've done your
part to clean up your side ofthe street.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's, they're not all roses and unicorns and orgasms?
There's not.
But what was your originalquestion to me?
No, how did I go?
I I don't.
So explain that a little bitmore to me, because that that
may help me out a little bitwell, there's sometimes like the
, the general.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't know if I should say his.
I'm not going to say his name.
Uh-huh, right, when you gotthat.
Yeah, yeah, so did everybodyelse, but when, when when he uh,
because it was was gonna betouch and go his his amends to
his ex-wife.
It needed to happen, right, butI made him go write it out and
then you're gonna read it to meright and we're gonna go over
(21:33):
because there's something,because we don't want to make it
worse I got you, and so wereally had to go through that
and then but aren't you afraidthat they're gonna to curtail
what the true feelings are?
no, okay, no, all you're doingis you're owning your shit, okay
, xyz?
Please forgive me, xyz,behavior was wrong, you know.
And then you lay it out.
Then you stand there, okay, andtake whatever they have to give
(21:54):
.
But he, but then we had to makesome corrections, we had to do
something right.
And then when he went and didit relationship, you know, it
was good.
And I said you stand there, youread the letter and you fold
the letter and then you listenand she hit him with all kinds,
yeah, and he took it, you know.
But but after that she feltbetter, he felt better and then
they were co-parenting well,because he made the men to the
(22:17):
best of his ability and didn'tmake it worse.
But sometimes you'll have to dothat because those touchy ones,
but there's some of them thathave to be done and you've
really got to trust God and andI've never made it this far.
I know.
So you know cause.
I've also had guys go out andjust not take the advice and
think cause what do they think?
When they first come into therooms?
(22:37):
What's the first thing?
To grow back on a drunk, hisopinion, right, that's a true
fact.
I think you know what I thinkshut up, we don't care, we don't
care what you think, try not tothink, just listen.
And they've, and they've madeit terrible.
They made terrible mistake,right, you know, just like kind
of the one you're talking aboutirreparable damage because
they're gonna do it their way,all right but, and I had to let
(22:59):
that one go.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
That one bothered me for a long time, long time.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
See that that for me that's the biggest.
The scariest step was to go out, you know, to these people.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Oh, it wasn't for me.
I'm going to tell you right nowmy ninth step the fourth step
was easy.
Just get out and see thosepeople quickly, because and I
I've said this multiple timesfrom the moment I saw that crack
in that darkness Shit.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
There's that window, of that window of willingness
that closes If you don't do it.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
No, I fast.
The minute I finished my fifthstep and six, seventh, and wrote
that eighth, I want to say Iwas probably from my seventh to
the end of my ninth was probablyless than two days, three days
yeah I mean it was except forthe guy at cindy's restaurant.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
When you got, you got to see you know what?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
that one, that one, that was a great one and that's
a god one that was a thousandpercent of god one, and that one
hit me from from out of theblues because I didn't know how
I was going to handle that one,right.
But just like Blake and Italked last night that you know
these things are going to pop upas we go along, right, and if
(24:12):
you like he was concerned, hisbiggest thing when we were going
through his four step is hefelt like he should have more
stuff on there.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
There's that and there's always that number that
they you know.
Hey, I don't have a lot.
I didn't have a lot of myresentments because I didn't
trust you fuckers, so I didn'tlet people get close If you
haven't been molested.
There's only a certaindemographic of people that would
get close to me.
Sex inventory, even though Iwas very promiscuous, really
wasn't that bad, because it wasall you know.
Consensual everybody's kiddingI was all good, all consensual,
(24:44):
all consensual, but my fear.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Inventory was terrific talk to me about that a
little bit I had a little bitof hard time going over that
with him yesterday well, I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I should people think of fear?
What do they think of?
Well, I'm not going to be inthe ocean with sharks.
That's terror.
That's different, right, youknow?
Afraid of what people think ofus?
Right, we wear masks all thetime.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
That's what we talked about we talked about that a
little bit, you know rejection,abandonment everybody's whole
thing.
His whole thing was um.
Everything on his fear list waseverything in the future.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
He wasn't everything was in the future.
Oh, dude, mind fuckingourselves.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So everything was on there.
She, she's fine.
Everything on that list wasfuture stuff and I finally had
to look at them.
I go well, let's talk about thereal fear there.
What's the real fear?
Yeah, and I go what Control?
If every bit of that came trueright now, what do you think
(25:36):
would happen to you?
I mean, he literally stoppedfor a long time and finally goes
.
I'd probably go back to using Igo there's your fear yeah,
there's your relapse.
There's your fear.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
That relapse, yeah, and and if you have that hang up
right there, you have thathanging over you, right?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
because if you'll drink over one thing or use one
thing, you'll use over anythingso your fear of losing you know,
your fear of losing this, yourfear of losing that, your fear
of losing that, your fear oflosing that, your fear of losing
that.
It's none of that.
His fear was his real fear washis relapse.
And I'm like that, now that youknow what it is right, we just
keep working on that.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Let's get some faith wrapped around that relapse fear
, and it'll go away.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And we talked about that.
But you got to remember theother thing he's not a firm
believer yet.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
No, I know that's a beautiful thing, though, but
that's where they're reachingthey.
They're trying to right reachout to god in spirit and in
truth what was so funny?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
two things happened yesterday when he came in.
I'm sorry this turned out to beall about blake, but I had such
a fantastic as long as youdon't mind what you know, we're
not.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
No, he doesn't he.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
He knows we've talked about him before, but the uh he
he doesn't have a chicken story.
That's good no, he didn't.
His chicken's still alive.
We, um, we were working out theplain language book, but I was
going in between the plainlanguage and this book because I
was highlighted in my big book.
So I was trying to go over tothe plain language book to try
(26:53):
and get it back and forth.
While I kept reading out ofthis Yesterday when he showed up
he had his big book.
It didn't have the plainlanguage book.
He goes, you keep going backand forth and, quite honestly,
I'm enjoying the original bigbook better and I'm like, well,
okay, that's so I threw theplain language to the side and
we did everything.
We did five, six and sevenworking out of the, out of the
(27:13):
original big book.
Imagine that that's right.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That was funny, that's right.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
All you brother you know what, but I am going to
tell this, but I'm proud of you,for for you mean I'm going to
continue to study it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I'm going to continue to study because I'm releasing
my prejudice on that and I'mproud of you for that but I
don't have 15 years of digginginto this like you do.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I mean, if I although I was pretty proud of myself
yesterday when I was able toturn right to pages, when I,
when I knew what I was lookingfor right, we had to get down to
causes and conditions I wentright to 64.
I didn't even hesitate.
I knew exactly where it was atRight and I was.
I was pretty happy with, I washad the ability to do that.
But I want to learn that plainlanguage because if somebody
(27:56):
wants to communicate to me inthat plain language I don't want
to be I and I say this topeople all the time I don't give
a shit how you get sober, getsober, yeah, and if it's the
plain language that's going tohelp you get sober, fuck it,
I'll take it with the plainlanguage.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I will too, I mean.
I know you would it's thatimportant?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
But the pages don't line up.
That's the difficult part,right, the pages don't line up
when you're trying to find itand you're going back and forth
between the two but correct meif I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I mean, come on, you know on some of that, because
I've read, don't get wrong, I'vealready read it, most of it, 90
of it, right you haven'tstudied it, you've read some of
it's all right, but there's alot of stuff where they they.
It just seems weak to me.
They water it kind of down, butthat's.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
That's the point of it, though, rob they.
They take out some of thestrong wording, right, right,
which incomprehensibledemoralization.
They change those verbiage alittle bit.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Uh, there's some verbiage to make it more
understandable.
A thousand percent.
They've lightened it a littlebit in my opinion.
That's and I and what I did toget the attention of an
alcoholic.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It takes depth and weight right, and so one of the
things I told, told blakeyesterday is if you're going to
stay with that, if you're goingto stay with this big book and
continue studying the way you do, get you a dictionary.
Yeah, that was some of the bestadvice that I'd gotten anywhere
and any that anybody gave me.
(29:21):
And I want to say Chris gave methat at Maynard's.
He said you're going to want toget you a dictionary and that's
, and ever since then I got thedictionary.
I mean if I go against the wordor go across the word that I
ain't familiar with, I'll golook it up and I mean you'll see
all throughout my big book thebig word scratched out and the
what's the true meaning above itor the true word, the
(29:42):
up-to-date yeah you know wherethe goose hung high.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Everything was good.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, everything was good.
I mean, like I said, I didn'twant to turn away from that
plain language only for thatreason is that Blake was
understanding it.
But what was, like I said, whatwas fun is after we got into it
, you know, got into it farenough and he saw that I kept.
And when he kept seeing theverbiage in some of the stuff
and how stiff and strong it was,he recognized that well, shit,
(30:11):
I should probably be going outof this big book.
But anyways, it was fun.
I enjoy that.
It was fun, mr Rob.
All right, brother, we're goingto get on out of here.
I told you this was going to bea short one.
I am going to tell you this.
I am going to say this I'vesaid it once before I couldn't
have asked for a better partnerto do this podcast with, because
you, literally I say we have torecord and you just show up.
(30:33):
I've said that multiple times,and I've said it multiple times.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And and you just keep Bobby Thomas, bobby Thomas's
rule rules.
I'm at the four rules of my dad.
I'm finally, you know, a rule.
Number three is the only oneever really kept, you know, when
I was back.
So man is always good as hisword.
Man's word is no good.
The man is no good.
That's my father's right.
It goes for a woman too.
So right, I told you we'd dothis.
So you need me, I'm here.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
We don't get breaks in this though no no, but we do.
But the reason why we recordednow is so we don't have to
record for another week, right?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
so we don't have to record this weekend.
When can we get that texas galon?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I'm working with it right now, right I'm hopefully.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Have you talked to her at all?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
not on the phone yet.
Okay, not on the phone yet.
I mean, I I'm curious to seethat texas draw it.
I can hear her voice she's gota big one.
Yeah, she's got a big one, soI'm kind of excited to get her
on because you know you know,who else we need to get back is
rachel, dr rachel she graduatedoh, did she.
Yeah, well, remember she was in, yeah she was right.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
She's get her doctor.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
She was right there, yeah, so I'll reach out to her
and see if we can get her backon actually in studio this time.
So now that she's a doctrine,so what do we got?
Next?
What are you thinking?
I'm thanking Christy.
Yeah, thanking Christy.
I really like to get her onhere.
I like to get that story sherecorded with Jenny, which is
the sober sister shit show.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
That's what it's called.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, jenny's, yeah, she's, she's doing pretty good,
good.
Yeah, she's, she's doing prettygood, good and um.
So they recorded in my studioor in our studio a few times and
now she's got her own littlestudio going.
But christy was one of herfirst ones that she had on and I
really enjoyed her, so I wantto get her on when are we going
to have our wives on?
buddy, you better hit my wife upfor that.
(32:20):
Bonnie's ready.
I'm bonnie's been ready.
She'll do it anytime.
I know you got to get with katon that one.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Wait, but wait, cause she's not going to see.
The only time she listened tothese podcasts is when she was
with Tammy for six weeks, so shedoesn't.
She's not going to listen tothis one, but I'm about to say
cause when she gets here I'mgoing to bring up cancer and
we're going to we're going to.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Okay, then let's just bring her all alone.
No, hell, no.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Okay, she'll come with Katie.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I'll be back on.
I'll get back on Katie.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I think we got to have the daughters on one at a
time.
Yeah Well, we got to have yourkids we don't remember enough of
it, no no, your daughters.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I know.
I know They'll come on together.
If they came on together thatwe'd have a.
We'd have a cat fight probablyright here in the middle of the
studio.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
But my son, when he was eight, gave me my I forget
what year I was sober, but hegave me my chip.
And then my daughter, when shewas 10.
I had her get up in front ofprimary yeah, and talk about her
dad and give you my chip.
That was that that's prettycool.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
That was awesome.
Dude, wait till you get to walkher down the aisle yeah, that's
, that's, awesome too.
I do that again and I justcounted that.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
What is that?
September months, Septemberyeah.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, right May June.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
July.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, four months, that's awesome.
Sure, can't wait for you to doit.
All right, mr Rob.
Recovery on filter podcast atgmailcom.
That's recovery on filterpodcast at gmailcom.
If you want to reach out to us,please do that, right?
I mean, we've got peoplereaching out.
We've got the guy inFayetteville, north Carolina.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
He's getting help.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Good he's getting help and um.
So yeah, mike, he's doing verygood.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I actually I need to reach out to him, like my buddy
did, get into action Right,because the Bible says even if
that's not your God, it doesn'tmatter.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Right, right, a thousand percent.
Oh, I just lost it, I justfucking lost it.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Well, because you're old, I know, I know it sucks.
God, I need some ginkgo biloba.
You need?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
something you need to go up there and work out with
my buddy at the den in Ripon.
Yeah, I'll go to the den.
You need to go, do that.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I'll go do that All right, later Later.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
We hope you learned something today that will help
you.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
If you did not come back next week and we'll try
again If you like what we heard,give us a five-star review.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
If you don't like what you heard, kiss my ass.
I can't say that, can you?
Anyway, if you don't like whatyou heard, go ahead and tell us
that too.
We'll see what we can improve.
We probably won't changenothing, but do it anyway.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Hey, thanks, Rob.
Come back next week andhopefully something will be
different and something willsink in.
Take care, this has beenRecovery Unfil.
(35:17):
Thank you.
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