December 19, 2024 • 45 mins
It's the penultimate episode of our season! Today we discuss scrubbing genealogy lines and history, our experiences, and genealogy frustrations. Join us for a fun discussion!
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Please visit Edward's blog! Let's keep this family research going: http://ruedafingerhut.blogspot.com/
Rediscovering Latinidad is an independent podcast. This show is hosted by Briar Rose, Fausto, Edward, y Jellissa and is engineered by Matthew Sambolin. Cover art designed by George Colon. If you would like to reach out, please email us at RediscoveringLatinidad@gmail.com, or leave us a voicemail at 646-470-9824. Please find us and follow our social media accounts on Facebook as Rediscovering Latinidad, on Instagram at @RediscoveringLatinidad, on Twitter at @RediscLatinidad, and on reddit at r/RediscoveringLatindad. If you would like to become a member of our Patreon, please join at: https://patreon.com/RediscoveringLatinidad?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
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Speaker 2 (01:28):
Hey, welcome back season five, episode fourteen of Rediscovering Latini
DoD and boy, we've all been We've all scrubbed some
genealogy lines sometimes, haven't we so here here to commisserate
our all of our co hosts.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
My name is Brian Rose, I'm Jalisa, I'm Edword, and
I'm Faustal and thank you for joining us for the
penultimate episode of the season where we describe I have
genealogy annoyances, scrubbing lines, drawing new lines, and all the
things in between with our research. This is where we're
really going to talk to nitty gritty guys like this
(02:10):
is like back to the foundation of season one, like
getting into the nitty gritty of drop downs and merging
trees all that.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Let's dive right in.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Let me tell you this is not the Latino part.
But when I was looking for my ancestor in Ireland,
I thought I found her. I thought I found this woman.
I thought I found her tree, and her tree went
pretty far back and I was like, dang, all I
had to do is find this one piece out look
at her family. Oh man, she did this. This was
(02:46):
not the same woman. And I started looking into like
this woman who I thought was my great grandmother, her
older line. So I started thinking I knew that whole story.
But this woman died of tuberculosis in Ireland in nineteen
thirty six. My grandmother immigrated to the United States in
nineteen twenty five. Wasn't the same woman, but the false
(03:07):
hope that I had that I was like, I broke
down this wall. I found a path for this woman
that I have been looking at for a long time.
Like I'm here, I got it. Now. I can get
to know this line. I could solve puzzles, I could
make sense, I can create stories, I can get faces
to names if some people have it in their trees.
And then like literally taking like that eraser mark and
(03:30):
just starting it all over again. It's a little devastinated.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It's a little devastating to do that because it's like,
you know, you needed to be factual, but that false
hope of like and I think it's like it's like
then when you find any sort of link to your family,
it's like you either in real life, like you weren't
who I thought you were going to be, or this
just really wasn't what I expected, or this just really
isn't right at all. I made a big mistake, you know,
(03:57):
with family. So yeah, anyone else has still experienced I
know Edward.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Had with him, Yeah, well I have. I'll jump into it.
I have an update. So in season three, for our
first Latino Jewish episode, I talked all about my ancestor,
Wang Cohen. I was like, you know what, he was
probably this guy who was born in Jamaica to a
black woman and a Jewish father. It was completely incorrect.
(04:29):
But the good news is actually found the true story,
which which was cool. So very long story short because
now we're talking about British records and not Latin American records.
But basically I found this one family.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
First I found John Cohen's actual death record, which was huge,
and it was not in a church registry. It wasn't
It was sandwiched in the middle of proo, which which
we gotta circle back to at some point, these really
boring town records, and I was going through this small
(05:08):
town el Conman. Them's from Columbia, Yeah, And I was
like leafing through because I was expecting to see a
reference to like the late John Cohen in some business records,
so I'd be like, oh, okay, this is the outside
date at which he was dead. You know, he died
at some point. But I was lucky enough that weirdly
(05:29):
in the middle of this the town notary decided to
mark the death records of several prominent people in this town,
and one of them was this British guy, and so
it said that he was born in Bristol in England,
and so now I had his birthplace, and I saw
that there had been a Jewish family named Cohen in
(05:52):
Bristol with ties to the West Indies and Jamaica, and
I'm like this, this sounds pretty darn clothes. So it
came down to wills and the last surviving sibling, who
died in eighteen seventy, the year after John Cohen died,
said in her will that she had a brother, John Cohen,
(06:13):
who is residing or may have resided, in the town
of baran Kia, South America. And I was like, that's it,
that's his birth family. Holy crap. So this, you know,
literally I had, unlike the rest of my lines where
people are sort of ambivalent, don't really care, people were
(06:35):
really invested in this British family, again because people like
to be British, but they really wanted to find out
the answers, and like people had hired English genealogists and
they'd found they turned up nothing. And admittedly what happened
was this family wanted to assimilate, so the siblings who
(06:55):
stayed in England anglicizer named to cwe N. And fortunately
there had been an earlier sibling who had kept the
original spelling Cohn, and she said that some of her
siblings had changed the last name. So if I didn't
know that, I wouldn't have been able to piece it
together and it would have remained a mystery. But yeah,
(07:15):
this was a huge And then I was like, all right,
let's take into these British people. And to make a
long story short, that other sibling who kept the original
name Cohen. She was an unmarried woman who had a
daughter who had her. Her last name was Cohen, her
daughter's last name was Knight, and she was the equivalent
(07:38):
in British pounds of a millionaire in eighteen twenty seven,
leaving all this money to all these different relatives, and
some like, what the hell's going on? So I reached
out to a Bristol researcher, shout out to Caroline Gurney,
and she and I collaborated and we pieced together had
(08:00):
a very unique name, Catherine Urania.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
It was very strange.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Catherine Urania Knight in the in the will, and then
we searched around and we found another Catherine Urania, Catherine
Urania Steward, who the father was known but the mother wasn't.
And then the father turned out to be a member
of parliament. So the theory that we have our working
theory was this Jewish woman somehow met this member of parliament,
(08:26):
probably became his mistress, and then she got so much
money that she could live comfortably in the fanciest part
of London.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
And then yeah, she you know.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Took on she she was known as missus Catherine Knight
to you know, help evade scandal. And then yeah, I don't,
I have no idea, you know, whether this Catherine Urania
knew about her Columbian uncle. How much did this Colombian
guy know about his older sister sleeping with a member
of parliament, Like it's it's hard to say how much
(09:01):
these people knew.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It was it was very poignant to see this this
older woman be like, I think my brother's in Columbia
and he had all redn did debt a year and
she didn't know if he was dead or alive, because
you know, this was a long time before the the
the Internet, the telephone. There were telegraphs, but yeah, they
weren't sending them back and forth. So yeah, this this
(09:24):
was I had sadly lost a captivating story, but I
found another captivating story.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Show that captivating.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Hang in there, folks, it's fascinating and I'm sorry I
follow up question for you. Yeah, where do you find
these wills?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Oh yeah, so, and again we're delving into British But
before before eighteen fifty eight, British wives are actually available
for free online through the British It's called the National Archive.
I think it's Discovery dot National Archive dot co dot UK.
(10:04):
It's something along those lines. Yeah, so those wills are
available for free after eighteen fifty eight, you have to
order them. So my colleague and friend Caroline Gurney got
the wills, So so you know, you have to wait
a little bit longer, Okay, But yeah, that eighteen seventy
will was what was the final frey to the puzzle?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (10:27):
In Colombia?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, this right, This was the English
family right, And what I had originally found the Colombian
record was a death record sandwiched in between like town
notarized records, business records, and I was not expecting that.
I think that's a very you know, occasionally you'll find
some civil records, depending on the era, but most of
(10:52):
it's just like you know, boring house sales. If you
go early enough in history, you know slave sales, slave sales,
slave sales.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
And thank my great great great grandfather for that, probably
because he was alcalde in oh, way back in the day.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
So you're welore, you go, wow, well, yeah, indeed, thank
you so so yeah, but but yeah, also too, like
that just shows that if you want to find you know,
let's say you're looking in vital records and something isn't
turning up, look in business records. Like I'm happy to
nerd out and do a whole episode later about.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Ways to please different ways.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Just get a cat I was going to say, where
would you find these business records? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
so they are.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Go to the catalog page and family search. You can
search by keywords, enter, enter your town of interest. You
can just look for PROS P R, O, T O,
c O, l OS And like I said, for the
most part, those are ancient business records, so they probably
(11:57):
won't have a lot of details. Maybe they may I
mean what you find surprise? I found something. So I
learned something new today.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
I'm sitting here taking notes.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
I know. I'm like, great, now I'm going to go
down another rabbit hole. Thanks. This is what today's episode
is all about.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
More rabbit holes exactly.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Oh my goodness, I go ahead, im in my case, Like,
even in the Dominican Republic, with as many records as
I've been able to find, as you can imagine, number one, like,
there are some less names that are common, and then
(12:41):
there are first names that are just incredibly incredibly common, and.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Then they are.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
So then there are less names that are rare with
common first names. Anyway, the point is that I actually
didn't know where my paternal grandmother's father where he came from.
So I had been looking for his birth records from
(13:11):
our hometown in the center of the country. And you know,
it's a good thing again, right that you can ask aunts, uncles,
other family members if they know or remember anything. And thankfully,
one of my aunts was just like, oh, well, he
wasn't from around here. He was from the south of
the country. She's like, I think from Bunny, And so
(13:35):
I started looking for records of his in Bunny the
Bunny records, and thankfully I was able to find that
there's a whole bunch of ROAs in the southern part
of the country. And by kind of like you're saying, right,
sort of like triangulating and like process of elimination and
(13:58):
like calculating how old you know was this person when
my great grandfather, when when you know when my grandmother
was born? Right, then you chase it back and it's
kind of like, all right, well, these five look like
they're likely candidates. The other fifteen too old or too young.
And so that's what I've I've definitely had to do
(14:22):
is sort of like put one on hold, just kind
of be like, all right, let me let me come
back to this one. Let's read like who their god
godparents were, right, it's always a good one at the
god parents, And who were the other like the records before,
the few of the records after, right, who were the
ones you know with the same last names, And was
(14:42):
finally able to find his his birth record with his
mother's name, And I went back to my aunt and
I was just like, hey, does this name sound familiar?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
And she was like, yes, that that was his mother's name.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
So I was just like, okay, great, we found him.
But but yeah, but then you know so again. Conversely,
with common names, I'm like, oh, I think I found
this ancestor, and then you know, there's the list of
their kids or their kids records come up, and then
you're like, oh no, this is not this is not
(15:18):
this is not the one. And then you know so
again like you're saying, right, I have to remove that
line and and move on.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So and it's hard when you know that the one
you wanted because it's so like robust.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Yes, a pre form line like that would have been perfect, I.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Know, right, yeah, Like I've built entire like branches of
a tree and they're like okay, only to just kind
of be like, oh wait, okay. Sometimes I'm like, what
was I doing? Was I like sleeping? I know, well,
I was putting this one together.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
But my early genealogy, like I was just doing, you know,
on ancestry when they have the potential hints, I was
adding them automatically at first when I was younger. In
the beginning, you get excited and then you start realizing
sons can't be older than father's.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
The math isn't mathing.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
The math is not mathing.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Can we segue into how evil sometimes the hints can
be or other people's trees.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm the a hole that keeps
my tree on private now, but I have I'm a
spiteful I have a very spiteful.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Reason though to do it.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
What is it? Please?
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Please do tell?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
If not now why?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Okay? So my mother's side of the family. Now, I'm
doing this podcast to bring in some research on my
mother's side, the Caucasian side, but I'm really invested in
my Latino side. If I find more on my mother's side, great,
but I'm not actively looking for it right this. I
think I've done what I've could in this chapter, so
now I'm focusing on my latinid outside. But therefore I
(17:00):
am still proud of what I've done for my mother's side.
My mother has a pretty rough relationship with her siblings,
most of them, and she came from a big Irish
family like step siblings, married in half siblings, YadA, YadA.
Without going too much detail of why there are riffs
and why there are estrangements. One of her siblings who
(17:22):
she has a full estrangement from and who I know
thinks she has said and done to my father, my
mother and two other things. What so mind you do?
You know how ancestry sometimes tells you, oh, a potential
like ancestry just came up like a DNA match, I
should say a DNA match. I never checked those. I
don't know why, but it's I don't know. I'm not
(17:45):
like religious, but sometimes I think like, there's this, I
get a feeling. Check that one, check that one. And
I never get that feeling. I usually am like, oh please,
when I go to the app, I'll look. Okay, if
it's high enough, I'll check it out. It's fine. That
day I saw it in my email and I said
(18:06):
her so I realized for a while, I was like, oh,
you know, I had my tree as public. I was like, oh,
so people can find my stuff and I can find them,
and I'm being so generous with my information and I'm
all for that. But I sit there and I'm like,
and I see the family tree she's built, which isn't
(18:26):
really that big. She don't have much information, and I
was like, my tree is public. Why am I giving
her my hurry labor right now? I literally close my
tree to be spiteful and say, you know what, do
it yourself. You could do it yourself. And if you
have questions, you can talk to me. But I know
(18:47):
you won't because you wouldn't. You wouldn't dare because you
don't want to hear me. Me and Folston and I
have talked about this. She deserved it because she was shitty.
But one day, when I'm more mature, I'll probably open
it back up. But today's not today, not today, today,
not today, not today? And you know what, does she
(19:08):
deserve to know her family? Yes, but I'm not I'm
not locking up. She can find these records.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
They're public.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
She can spend ten years like I did. She didn't
get my free labor. And let me just link to
Broyer's treat a few.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
The records are public.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I'll find them.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Sit there, cry, sift the records, scrub some lines, redraw
the map, do the work. You're not above the work, Okay,
I did the work.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Anyway, be completely understood, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Understand Now if I had records that I literally blocked
her from seeing, like specifically, like, hey, I have the
will and testament of like this specific ancestor or something,
and I'm specifically keeping it from you under all like
I've locked it on all that would be too much.
I have not locked down anything. I just locked down
(20:02):
my tree.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
And you know it's sad to see.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
If you go on my profile, you can absolutely see
that I have twenty six hundred people on my tree.
So people looking and be like, I phone me, Oh
my god, one day, one day, I'll be more mature.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Do you have any scrubbing stories.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I'm a scrubbed line my So when I was in
elementary school, when everyone gets that assignment and you know,
second or third grade, come.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
On everyone, let's do your family tree. So in my
baby book, I actually there's a front page where there
was a tree. It was had me, my mom and dad,
my grandparents, my great grandparents, like perfect, I can just
copypaste this, but in this in my put this for
my essay and I'm done, and my mom goes, you
know that's not true, right, And I'm like, what do
(20:53):
you mean. She says, yeah, I Belitho's not Boppy's real dad.
That's just his stepdad. And like you know, when it's
something that's known among the family and they just forget
to tell people like my mom didn't realize that I
didn't know. Everyone else knew, and she was like duh.
Even better, when ma Abolito died, maybe like five years ago,
(21:14):
my older cousin went to the funeral. They still live
in Panama, and he went to the cemetery and saw
his name on the grave and he's like, who the
hell is that? He realized on that day. Cousin's like
forty years old, that our grandfather quote unquote was not
his grandfather. He's like, I thought he was Alvarado. I
think he's not Alvarado, and then my grand then my
uncle was like you know or not Alvarado's either, right.
(21:37):
He had the most dropping day. Your grandfather's not your
grandfather and your name is not your name. My cousin
like lost his mind. So again, it's one of those
things where everyone quote unquote knew but forgets to tell
people like I knew and Fausto knew, but I didn't
realize that you didn't know. So then we just kind
(21:57):
of mentioned it out of the blue and you're just
your whole mind is blown.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
So yeah, I feel like that happens so much in families,
like people just forget to tell, like, oh, let's be
nice and say they forgot.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
No, honestly, it really was like my dad's like, I'm
the youngest. My two older brothers are ten and eleven
years older than me, So I was like the surprise baby.
So a lot of things happened before I was born
that they they, honest to God, just don't realize that
I wasn't there. For Like my mom would tell stories
about oh, yeah, blah blah blah. I'm like, Mom, I
wasn't born yet, and she's like, oh, that's right, you
weren't here, Like she would think like the kids were there,
(22:30):
like my two brothers were there obviously, and she just
thinks of the three of us as all together. She's like, no,
you're absolutely right, you would have been a Like we
were speaking me and my dad and my brother the
other day about when we moved to our house. We
moved to our house when I was like two years old,
and my brother's like, don't you remember before we moved.
I'm like, Jonathan, I would have been a year old.
What do you think he was ten? So clearly the
(22:51):
memory for him was like super vivid. So there was
a lot of issues, like not issues, but events like that.
In my family that everyone sort of knew you collectively,
and they're like, oh, yeah, she's a lot younger than
the rest, we should probably tell her all these things. So,
long story short. When I was in elementary school and
I did that tree, my father Javier Alvarado, his father
(23:15):
also Javier L. Barado, his father Anastasio la Barado. Anastasio
married do Aldo, and I was like, they have the
same last name. And they're like, yeah, you know, it's
a really common last name. They're not related, and I'm like,
it's a common last name, but it's not that common
of a last name.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I was about to say, maybe a Rodriguez I could see.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Right ar Lofez Garcia. Maybe, I'm like, Alvarado's common, but
it's not that that common. Panama's got three million people
and we were in the same town, Like are you sure?
Speaker 3 (23:47):
So for my whole.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Childhood from like eight to eighteen, I was like, oh
my god, I'm freaking in bread. This is the worst
thing ever. Like I was so ashamed. I'm like, can
we make up another name for her to like put on,
you know, the tree, Like I'm not telling people that
my grandparents had the same last name. Cut to I'm
about eighteen. I find out they're not even my grandparents.
(24:08):
Ah ah, okay, I'm the scrubs line.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Okay, this is where we get. Okay, there we go.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
So my Abulita, she said, and also who cares was married,
and apparently after or before my father was born, they separated.
But of course this is nineteen fifties Catholic nation. There's
no such thing as divorce. Your husband goes, you stay,
you have his name. Any children that you have automatically
get his last name. So my father is born, my
(24:37):
father automatically gets registered as at Abadao. My uncle is born,
my uncle automatically gets registered as out Vadado. So all
of our lives were just walking around with these names.
And it comes to the point when my parents are
ready to immigrate. So after uh noriega and people are
getting disappeared, like it's time to go. My grandmother was
(24:58):
one of ten I had one brother and nine sisters.
So he goes to one of the aunts and he
goes and the aunt's like, don't talk to me about
these things. I don't know what you're talking about. Go
ask somebody else. So he goes and he finds the
man again. Is like, I spoke to my aunt and
she says, she doesn't know what you're talking about. Go
to this other aunt, and this pattern continues. He goes
for about three aunts until finally one's like, all right,
(25:21):
all right, you got me, and she tells my father
the whole story. Wow, And it turns out yes, this
man in fact was his father.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
And of course it was the thing of you know,
there's no divorce and your quote unquote father left and
so you know, your mother fell in love with the
Baker and they had you and they had your brother,
and that was that.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
And so.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
I myself and this grum's line, I had to cross
out my grandfather, the two of daw those. Honestly, my
dad told him this, told my brothers, he didn't all
tell us at the same time. And of course the
two boys kind of had this identity crisis of my
name is not my name and blah blah blah blah.
And I was just like, oh, thank god, I'm not
(26:05):
in bread, like I might get married tomorrow, and like,
my name's not going to be mine anyway. So it
didn't really matter much to me. But my greatest relief was,
like Vadado is not my grandmother, and she didn't get married.
I want to savo. I have found any more duplicate
last names, so life, So that was a release line.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I need to know if they were related, even though
they're not your line anymore.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
I wonder, but I've never found, you know, Like I
was thinking, no great grandparents, like I don't need to
go any further than them or great great grandparents actually
because yeah, I'm like, who cares about those people? But
I was just like, oh, thank god.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
So this is my mother's step family's line, so not biological,
but like adopted her and raised her from like ten
eleven years old. So she took the last name, and
it was a German last name. It was actually Ludwig
and in Germany it was l U d Wig and
that's what her stepfather. So when they came from apparently
(27:11):
so I'm sorry, Yeah, so apparently this family, like the
grandfather came from Germany, went to Brazil, married a woman.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
That's not scary. I think they're like all bad stories.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, and they came to the US, and when they
got to the US, they decided to add the name
like an e to the middle, so l U d
e w I g all right. Most of the siblings
edded thatt E one didn't so his descendants all have
like Ludwig with no E, but the other siblings, their
(27:52):
descendants all have it with the E and the name.
And I didn't know that the Ludwigs on Long Island
are all related. I can only speak for Long Island
and if there's E or not any they were related.
Like that's the way it is. So I had a
panic attack, maybe about a couple weeks ago. It was
very recent where it finally clicked to me. My mother said, oh, yeah,
(28:15):
when the grandmother from port from Brazil, she used to
speak when she had dementia, she reverted to speaking Portuguese
like in her later years from Brazil. And you know,
it's just something I knew. I never processed it, and
I finally like put timeline together. I was like, Mom,
(28:35):
when were they in Brazil? If you tell me there
were in the late nineteen forties, I'm going to literally
like freak the out right now that you were adopted
into a Nazi family, Like I am not playing games
right now. And then she's like, no, they like immigranted
like the twenties.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
Okay, I hope.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
So I hope, so we're.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Gonna go with them. Okay, but apparently, like timeline wise,
like some of the older brothers were born in like
nineteen twenty seven in the US, all right, so at
some point they got from Brazil too, that's safe. Yeah,
and then I think they changed her name because she
was Louisa and then in the US she was Louise
the grandmother.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Okay, but I.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Had a mini freak out that it was like Argentina.
But the sect two.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Point zero, Well Mangela was in Brazil, so there's those
twins that has happened. All those experiments happened. Yeah, but
that went down in Brazil. But we all look at
Argentina Brazil at their equal share.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
No, Brazil really was bad. No one pays attention to that.
They also want everyonecus is in Argentina. Yeah, like, yeah,
you can trace your line, your Argentinian line, right back
to But then when I finally realized, I was like
these Germans in Brazil, when did it happen? Because I mean,
not that they were blood related, but I just didn't
want that line. Yeah, I mean, and I gave up
(30:00):
that name when I.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Got my following.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Well, I'm not in bred and you're not a Nazi.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
So not today, We're doing well. We're doing well.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
I have never been so relieved to hear that. It
was not in the nineteen forty something.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
That was me finding out that these people were at
my family, Like, oh, thank goodness. I mean, all these
people died before I was born anyway, like my even
my my actual grandfather died before I was born. So
I'm like, what difference is it's one name versus another name?
Like I never met any of these people, they didn't
raise me, like who cares, but they did have unique names,
which was very helpful. I'm like Alvarado, even though it
(30:41):
is kind of, you know, a common last name, like
I'm never going to find these freaking people, but my
actual last name is very unique and it's only in
Panama and like a couple of towns in Columbia. So
that actually helped to be a lot very helpful in
actually find And that's how I found Edward because that's the.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Line scrubbed the line, the scrubbed line.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
So actually that side of the family very cool.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah yeah, but that's an example of like you scrubbed
it and then you found something.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Better, right, right, And if if I hadn't known, we
would have just matched them, like how are we related?
We never would have been able to piece it together
because but again, it's one of those things where no
one spoke about it, but everyone knew, and when the
secret quote unquote secret finally came out, they're like, all right, well,
this was his name, and this was his brother and
his sister, and this is his grandpa, and like, I
got the whole family tree that was accurate. So that's
(31:32):
how we found each other.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I was convinced for a while that I think I
told this on a previous podcast my Brito. He was
orphaned around age seven, and his mother raised him, and
his quote unquote father he met like once in his life,
but then he was raised by a family friend with
(31:54):
this very specific last name, and he was raised with
this guy's kids and wife, like you know, adopted informally adopted.
And then I was going through the family tree and
I started seeing DNA matches with this not very I
knew this last name. This last name that I knew
was the step I'm gonna call him his adopted father's
(32:14):
last name. It's like, why is this adopted father's last
name coming up? In my DNA. That makes no sense.
Like if it came up as a potential hint in
a family tree, that would make Yeah, that would have
made more sense to me. But DNA was like throwing
me off. And then I was seeing like it was
like fourth cousins. And then I started like messaging one
of them, and she said, oh, like I know the
(32:35):
great grandmother of this.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
And.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I had convinced myself that I'm just gonna put.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
My th there.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I was convincing it.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
I know.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I was convinced that my grandmother, sorry, my great grandmother
had an affair with this man. Yeah, and then he
after she died, he took in her kid and like,
well their kid and like, you know, being a nice neighbor.
And I was convinced that that's what happened, and no
one knew but me. But then I traced it back
a little further and I'm pretty sure they were distant
(33:08):
cousins just by the CMS they shared. It wasn't likely
it would have been more. They would have been way more.
So I was like, it's it was a small town.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
And like everyone gets related at eventually, Yeah, those people
are probably.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Honestly, it's actually like I had it in my head.
I was like, we really are, and I'm not going
to say the last name. I'm going to just say Lopez.
It wasn't Lopez. I was like, we really are at Opus,
And then when I wasn't, I'm like, oh, I mean
technically maybe, but way further up and with wayless scandalous.
So I'll figure it out eventually, but it's nothing to like,
(33:47):
you know, clutch your pearls, not like my story. But
I was convinced for a little while that I had it.
So I had this whole thing in my head. I
was like, they must have had a love story tell
in this small town and this crazy thing. And I
prop again, am I one hundred percent sure? No, But
I'm based in the CM shared like not really, it's
(34:11):
not likely. They were probably distant cousins and like you know,
they probably shared like grandparents or like great grandparents something
like that, which is whatever, that's fine. So they for
a while, I was like, we are we really not
hitting us? Are we really? Lopez is oh man? Like,
(34:33):
my whole identity is shape and it wouldn't matter if
it was that further up anyway. So yeah, that was
my scrub line. I was like, and I actually it
was because I'm such a shitster. When I really thought
that was my story, very briefly or like a few
seasons ago, I was like, oh man, I'm going to
(34:56):
show up to the I'm gonna make problems like drop
bompshot because the adopted family, we still see them at
family events because they were My grandfather was raised with
these with his siblings that weren't really because his biological
siblings were much older than him, so by the time
(35:17):
the mother died they roll on their own. He was
still seven, so his siblings were the adopted ones, and
they are still around and their kids are still around
and their grandchildren are still around, so like they're still
a part of the family. So if I had walked
into the family, I'm but I don't think your grandmother knew.
(35:39):
Like I wouldn't have actually said those words, but I
would have stopped in like we're actually biologically related. But
it's not the case. I mean, if it is, it's not,
it's much further up.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
It's not worth my because my family everyone was like,
all right, you figured it out, congratulations, congratulations. I'm like,
everybody knew, but you know, you're not telling your sister's
secrets to anybody until he's like, I think the sisters
all kind of like got on a call, like, oh
he asked you, he asked me to. I'm like, all right,
let's finally say something.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
So I had to scrub my own line of.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Scrub myself.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
But when I strub myself, I was like, this is
probably for the best. I built the scandal and it's
probably for the best.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
It's not real. They had a very unique class name,
which helped my search a lot more because I remember
when I first started, like Alvarado, I'm never going to
find these people, like there's so many all over the world.
But then it ended up being a blessing in this
guy's like I have a very unique glass name. If
it had been mine.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I swear if I find like if I find some
name like Garcia Torres, like I don't know if I'm
gonna pursue it, because I'm just I will, but I
may not drive myself crazy over it for a while,
because I know it's gonna take more.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
Now. It's always my family's lucky that we've got a
lot of unique first names and or siblings with unique
first names, and so I've been able to track it
that way, like, Okay, if I see, you know this
person with the god the same godparents is this person
has the really unique class name, like all right, I
can oddsar like I've got a great grandmother Toriibia Hvida.
(37:21):
How many freaking Touribias could there be? And she had
a sister that was like Clorinda or some random such name.
I'm like, there's only the two of you. There's no
way that there's any other people like that. And so
they were like the godmothers to each other's children. So
I was able to find my great great grandmother and
her sister and all of their kids, and I was
able to track it back that way.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
It's so interesting you talk about godparents, and I believe
Foster was talking about that as well, because I don't
know what your family cultures are, where like do somebody
have all the god children like you know, for example,
if you were your brother's kids godmother would like, if
you had like four kids, would.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
You be got mother told?
Speaker 6 (37:59):
That's how that's how that happened, really and kind of well,
at least in those days, like the godparents tended to
be the same for all of the children.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Okay, So in my family has always been like run
around like could be here, could be there, It could
be they wouldn't have helped.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
They tended to repeat the same godparents, so that was
always a help too, because like my great grandfather was
one Segura. How many freaking one Segudas are there a million?
But one Seguda had a brother called Valentine. I'm like,
all right, Valentine is godfather to all of these kids.
So I was able to be like, all right, so
there's not it's not like you're going to be picking
(38:33):
you know, all these So just little things like that,
even though they did have a common first name or
a common last name, I was able to find a
sibling with a more unique name and then see those
people like repeated in the records, like all right, clearly
this was his brother and these were their kids. And
then when I went back to Upanama the last time,
I was like, do you know, I went to like
all my oltas and like do you know the names,
like oh, yeah, he had a cousin and a brother
(38:54):
and blah blah blah. And I was able to make
sure that these were the right people. But yeah, we
repeated people all the time, like everyone had the same
like godparents.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
It makes me not in my family, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
It makes me aty bitty.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
So in Limeon there was like I don't know what
the population was back in those days, like maybe a
few hundred people. So clearly 're not just randomly picking friends.
It's like you are the godparents, right.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
It actually makes more sense to do the godparents your way,
because like if you had like four kids, do you
really want to split them up with different people. You
want them all to be together, so it makes more sense.
But it's just in my family, they don't make sense,
and they're like this kid's parents is this is star
and this one is that brood.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
When we came here to the States, like I've got
different godparents than my brothers and so on. But like
back in those days, it was the same. Like my grandmother,
her brother, and her sister all had the same godparents,
So I mean, obviously I knew who they were, but
it was easy to like track where the family was
because my grandmother was born like very close to Costa Rica.
(39:54):
Then the family migrated to Panama City, which is like
in the center of the country. Then the family migrated again.
I was able to track the migration because they all
had the same godmother with her very unique name, who
happened to be my great grandmother's sister, And since she
had the unique name, I was able to track her
all over the country to see, like, all right, that's
where they were at which time and so on.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
That's fascinating, really cool. Thanks for Elsa.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Do you have anything No, no, no, just yeah, yeah, no,
they had all different godparents. Sorry, I'm stuck on that.
I was just like, do I see anybody now. The
only thing is that I think I may have spoken
about this in a previous season, but on my father's
side of the family, at some point his hit my
(40:44):
dad's great my dad's great grandfather changed his name. So
like half of the kid's records are with one name,
and then the other half are with a different last name.
And then I have found like a few kids records
(41:06):
who were born with the original last name and then
died with the different last name. Yeah, and I'm still
trying to figure that out. And so this is why
I want to know where I can find records for Wills,
because maybe he was legitimized at some point by like
(41:28):
a dad.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Oh right, that happened with my grandfather as well, that
he was born under one name. And then I think
when my oldest uncle was born, he recognized him when
he's like, listen, I have your grandson. Are you going
to recognize me or not recognize my grandfather? And then
from then on everyone had the correct last name.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Right, And so I think that that's what happened. So
I think that ancestor of mine, you know, pad his
mom's last name, and then at some point his dad
must have come along or some inheritance or something you know,
popped up and then changed to a regular last name.
But then the thing is that then that ancestor's original
(42:07):
name is my mom's mom's last name as well, which
is right. And then I was just like, oh boy,
something weird happened there. And it still is entirely possible
there's something weird happened there, but yeah, that's that's part
of the of the branch that I'm still still looking at.
(42:29):
And then just as we were talking, for whatever reason,
I'm like checking our twenty three and me and this
new first cousin popped up that hadn't been there before.
I don't recognize any of the last names, so I'm
going to apparently it on my mother's side, so I'm
going to have to ask my mother.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Who is this person?
Speaker 5 (42:46):
Right, Like whose last names would these be?
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Huh.
Speaker 7 (42:52):
I'm specifically thinking of doing a twenty three and me
test to see if there are any more relatives that
didn't I did both. Yeah, so that's probably next on
my list.
Speaker 6 (43:02):
Oh and also the reason why god parents were so
important for us in Panamas because a lot of the
times that the parents were unmarried and the mother and
both parents didn't present for baptism, the child was automatically
baptized under the maternal name, even if legally they were
they had a different last name. So I've got a
lot of my great grandfather. His last name was Segura,
(43:24):
but his parents were not married at the time when
he was born, so when his mother brought him to
be baptized, he was automatically baptized under his mother's name.
So I had to know, like that was how I
knew this was the same person because I found like
god parents, like this was the link for me to understand,
like who was the same thing with our the side
that match with Edward, my great great grandmother, who is
(43:48):
related to him, was of Asquez, but she was baptized
Saivanthis because the parents were not married at the time
of her birth, so she was saidvanthis and those records.
But then she eventually became Avasquez. And the reason I
know she was the same person is because she's got
godparents who were a Veascus. That That's how I knew
they were the same family. So there was a lot
(44:09):
of times if the parents were not married, the children
would be automatically listed under the maternal last name. Very annoying,
but also helpful because I knew I was able to
always find like the previous generation of their moms. But
it's like, how can I really know these are the
same people?
Speaker 5 (44:24):
Right?
Speaker 6 (44:24):
They would tend to have like a sibling, as you know,
a godparent, and that would be their correct last name.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, you've been so good about figuring that out.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Yeah, piecing together the godparents.
Speaker 6 (44:35):
To Alia, she was the key with her unique first name.
She's the one who pieced together are two trees?
Speaker 7 (44:45):
Anything else?
Speaker 6 (44:47):
All right?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
So I think we could just do some housekeeping and
do we get you ready for our season finale episode?
Speaker 4 (44:55):
All right?
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Speaker 2 (01:28):
Hey, welcome back season five, episode fourteen of Rediscovering Latini
DoD and boy, we've all been We've all scrubbed some
genealogy lines sometimes, haven't we so here here to commisserate
our all of our co hosts.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
My name is Brian Rose, I'm Jalisa, I'm Edword, and
I'm Faustal and thank you for joining us for the
penultimate episode of the season where we describe I have
genealogy annoyances, scrubbing lines, drawing new lines, and all the
things in between with our research. This is where we're
really going to talk to nitty gritty guys like this
(02:10):
is like back to the foundation of season one, like
getting into the nitty gritty of drop downs and merging
trees all that.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Let's dive right in.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Let me tell you this is not the Latino part.
But when I was looking for my ancestor in Ireland,
I thought I found her. I thought I found this woman.
I thought I found her tree, and her tree went
pretty far back and I was like, dang, all I
had to do is find this one piece out look
at her family. Oh man, she did this. This was
(02:46):
not the same woman. And I started looking into like
this woman who I thought was my great grandmother, her
older line. So I started thinking I knew that whole story.
But this woman died of tuberculosis in Ireland in nineteen
thirty six. My grandmother immigrated to the United States in
nineteen twenty five. Wasn't the same woman, but the false
(03:07):
hope that I had that I was like, I broke
down this wall. I found a path for this woman
that I have been looking at for a long time.
Like I'm here, I got it. Now. I can get
to know this line. I could solve puzzles, I could
make sense, I can create stories, I can get faces
to names if some people have it in their trees.
And then like literally taking like that eraser mark and
(03:30):
just starting it all over again. It's a little devastinated.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It's a little devastating to do that because it's like,
you know, you needed to be factual, but that false
hope of like and I think it's like it's like
then when you find any sort of link to your family,
it's like you either in real life, like you weren't
who I thought you were going to be, or this
just really wasn't what I expected, or this just really
isn't right at all. I made a big mistake, you know,
(03:57):
with family. So yeah, anyone else has still experienced I
know Edward.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Had with him, Yeah, well I have. I'll jump into it.
I have an update. So in season three, for our
first Latino Jewish episode, I talked all about my ancestor,
Wang Cohen. I was like, you know what, he was
probably this guy who was born in Jamaica to a
black woman and a Jewish father. It was completely incorrect.
(04:29):
But the good news is actually found the true story,
which which was cool. So very long story short because
now we're talking about British records and not Latin American records.
But basically I found this one family.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
First I found John Cohen's actual death record, which was huge,
and it was not in a church registry. It wasn't
It was sandwiched in the middle of proo, which which
we gotta circle back to at some point, these really
boring town records, and I was going through this small
(05:08):
town el Conman. Them's from Columbia, Yeah, And I was
like leafing through because I was expecting to see a
reference to like the late John Cohen in some business records,
so I'd be like, oh, okay, this is the outside
date at which he was dead. You know, he died
at some point. But I was lucky enough that weirdly
(05:29):
in the middle of this the town notary decided to
mark the death records of several prominent people in this town,
and one of them was this British guy, and so
it said that he was born in Bristol in England,
and so now I had his birthplace, and I saw
that there had been a Jewish family named Cohen in
(05:52):
Bristol with ties to the West Indies and Jamaica, and
I'm like this, this sounds pretty darn clothes. So it
came down to wills and the last surviving sibling, who
died in eighteen seventy, the year after John Cohen died,
said in her will that she had a brother, John Cohen,
(06:13):
who is residing or may have resided, in the town
of baran Kia, South America. And I was like, that's it,
that's his birth family. Holy crap. So this, you know,
literally I had, unlike the rest of my lines where
people are sort of ambivalent, don't really care, people were
(06:35):
really invested in this British family, again because people like
to be British, but they really wanted to find out
the answers, and like people had hired English genealogists and
they'd found they turned up nothing. And admittedly what happened
was this family wanted to assimilate, so the siblings who
(06:55):
stayed in England anglicizer named to cwe N. And fortunately
there had been an earlier sibling who had kept the
original spelling Cohn, and she said that some of her
siblings had changed the last name. So if I didn't
know that, I wouldn't have been able to piece it
together and it would have remained a mystery. But yeah,
(07:15):
this was a huge And then I was like, all right,
let's take into these British people. And to make a
long story short, that other sibling who kept the original
name Cohen. She was an unmarried woman who had a
daughter who had her. Her last name was Cohen, her
daughter's last name was Knight, and she was the equivalent
(07:38):
in British pounds of a millionaire in eighteen twenty seven,
leaving all this money to all these different relatives, and
some like, what the hell's going on? So I reached
out to a Bristol researcher, shout out to Caroline Gurney,
and she and I collaborated and we pieced together had
(08:00):
a very unique name, Catherine Urania.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
It was very strange.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Catherine Urania Knight in the in the will, and then
we searched around and we found another Catherine Urania, Catherine
Urania Steward, who the father was known but the mother wasn't.
And then the father turned out to be a member
of parliament. So the theory that we have our working
theory was this Jewish woman somehow met this member of parliament,
(08:26):
probably became his mistress, and then she got so much
money that she could live comfortably in the fanciest part
of London.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
And then yeah, she you know.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Took on she she was known as missus Catherine Knight
to you know, help evade scandal. And then yeah, I don't,
I have no idea, you know, whether this Catherine Urania
knew about her Columbian uncle. How much did this Colombian
guy know about his older sister sleeping with a member
of parliament, Like it's it's hard to say how much
(09:01):
these people knew.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It was it was very poignant to see this this
older woman be like, I think my brother's in Columbia
and he had all redn did debt a year and
she didn't know if he was dead or alive, because
you know, this was a long time before the the
the Internet, the telephone. There were telegraphs, but yeah, they
weren't sending them back and forth. So yeah, this this
(09:24):
was I had sadly lost a captivating story, but I
found another captivating story.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Show that captivating.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Hang in there, folks, it's fascinating and I'm sorry I
follow up question for you. Yeah, where do you find
these wills?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Oh yeah, so, and again we're delving into British But
before before eighteen fifty eight, British wives are actually available
for free online through the British It's called the National Archive.
I think it's Discovery dot National Archive dot co dot UK.
(10:04):
It's something along those lines. Yeah, so those wills are
available for free after eighteen fifty eight, you have to
order them. So my colleague and friend Caroline Gurney got
the wills, So so you know, you have to wait
a little bit longer, Okay, But yeah, that eighteen seventy
will was what was the final frey to the puzzle?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (10:27):
In Colombia?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, this right, This was the English
family right, And what I had originally found the Colombian
record was a death record sandwiched in between like town
notarized records, business records, and I was not expecting that.
I think that's a very you know, occasionally you'll find
some civil records, depending on the era, but most of
(10:52):
it's just like you know, boring house sales. If you
go early enough in history, you know slave sales, slave sales,
slave sales.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
And thank my great great great grandfather for that, probably
because he was alcalde in oh, way back in the day.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
So you're welore, you go, wow, well, yeah, indeed, thank
you so so yeah, but but yeah, also too, like
that just shows that if you want to find you know,
let's say you're looking in vital records and something isn't
turning up, look in business records. Like I'm happy to
nerd out and do a whole episode later about.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Ways to please different ways.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Just get a cat I was going to say, where
would you find these business records? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
so they are.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Go to the catalog page and family search. You can
search by keywords, enter, enter your town of interest. You
can just look for PROS P R, O, T O,
c O, l OS And like I said, for the
most part, those are ancient business records, so they probably
(11:57):
won't have a lot of details. Maybe they may I
mean what you find surprise? I found something. So I
learned something new today.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
I'm sitting here taking notes.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
I know. I'm like, great, now I'm going to go
down another rabbit hole. Thanks. This is what today's episode
is all about.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
More rabbit holes exactly.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Oh my goodness, I go ahead, im in my case, Like,
even in the Dominican Republic, with as many records as
I've been able to find, as you can imagine, number one, like,
there are some less names that are common, and then
(12:41):
there are first names that are just incredibly incredibly common, and.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Then they are.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
So then there are less names that are rare with
common first names. Anyway, the point is that I actually
didn't know where my paternal grandmother's father where he came from.
So I had been looking for his birth records from
(13:11):
our hometown in the center of the country. And you know,
it's a good thing again, right that you can ask aunts, uncles,
other family members if they know or remember anything. And thankfully,
one of my aunts was just like, oh, well, he
wasn't from around here. He was from the south of
the country. She's like, I think from Bunny, And so
(13:35):
I started looking for records of his in Bunny the
Bunny records, and thankfully I was able to find that
there's a whole bunch of ROAs in the southern part
of the country. And by kind of like you're saying, right,
sort of like triangulating and like process of elimination and
(13:58):
like calculating how old you know was this person when
my great grandfather, when when you know when my grandmother
was born? Right, then you chase it back and it's
kind of like, all right, well, these five look like
they're likely candidates. The other fifteen too old or too young.
And so that's what I've I've definitely had to do
(14:22):
is sort of like put one on hold, just kind
of be like, all right, let me let me come
back to this one. Let's read like who their god
godparents were, right, it's always a good one at the
god parents, And who were the other like the records before,
the few of the records after, right, who were the
ones you know with the same last names, And was
(14:42):
finally able to find his his birth record with his
mother's name, And I went back to my aunt and
I was just like, hey, does this name sound familiar?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
And she was like, yes, that that was his mother's name.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
So I was just like, okay, great, we found him.
But but yeah, but then you know so again. Conversely,
with common names, I'm like, oh, I think I found
this ancestor, and then you know, there's the list of
their kids or their kids records come up, and then
you're like, oh no, this is not this is not
(15:18):
this is not the one. And then you know so
again like you're saying, right, I have to remove that
line and and move on.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So and it's hard when you know that the one
you wanted because it's so like robust.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Yes, a pre form line like that would have been perfect, I.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Know, right, yeah, Like I've built entire like branches of
a tree and they're like okay, only to just kind
of be like, oh wait, okay. Sometimes I'm like, what
was I doing? Was I like sleeping? I know, well,
I was putting this one together.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
But my early genealogy, like I was just doing, you know,
on ancestry when they have the potential hints, I was
adding them automatically at first when I was younger. In
the beginning, you get excited and then you start realizing
sons can't be older than father's.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
The math isn't mathing.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
The math is not mathing.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Can we segue into how evil sometimes the hints can
be or other people's trees.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm the a hole that keeps
my tree on private now, but I have I'm a
spiteful I have a very spiteful.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Reason though to do it.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
What is it? Please?
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Please do tell?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
If not now why?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Okay? So my mother's side of the family. Now, I'm
doing this podcast to bring in some research on my
mother's side, the Caucasian side, but I'm really invested in
my Latino side. If I find more on my mother's side, great,
but I'm not actively looking for it right this. I
think I've done what I've could in this chapter, so
now I'm focusing on my latinid outside. But therefore I
(17:00):
am still proud of what I've done for my mother's side.
My mother has a pretty rough relationship with her siblings,
most of them, and she came from a big Irish
family like step siblings, married in half siblings, YadA, YadA.
Without going too much detail of why there are riffs
and why there are estrangements. One of her siblings who
(17:22):
she has a full estrangement from and who I know
thinks she has said and done to my father, my
mother and two other things. What so mind you do?
You know how ancestry sometimes tells you, oh, a potential
like ancestry just came up like a DNA match, I
should say a DNA match. I never checked those. I
don't know why, but it's I don't know. I'm not
(17:45):
like religious, but sometimes I think like, there's this, I
get a feeling. Check that one, check that one. And
I never get that feeling. I usually am like, oh please,
when I go to the app, I'll look. Okay, if
it's high enough, I'll check it out. It's fine. That
day I saw it in my email and I said
(18:06):
her so I realized for a while, I was like, oh,
you know, I had my tree as public. I was like, oh,
so people can find my stuff and I can find them,
and I'm being so generous with my information and I'm
all for that. But I sit there and I'm like,
and I see the family tree she's built, which isn't
(18:26):
really that big. She don't have much information, and I
was like, my tree is public. Why am I giving
her my hurry labor right now? I literally close my
tree to be spiteful and say, you know what, do
it yourself. You could do it yourself. And if you
have questions, you can talk to me. But I know
(18:47):
you won't because you wouldn't. You wouldn't dare because you
don't want to hear me. Me and Folston and I
have talked about this. She deserved it because she was shitty.
But one day, when I'm more mature, I'll probably open
it back up. But today's not today, not today, today,
not today, not today? And you know what, does she
(19:08):
deserve to know her family? Yes, but I'm not I'm
not locking up. She can find these records.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
They're public.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
She can spend ten years like I did. She didn't
get my free labor. And let me just link to
Broyer's treat a few.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
The records are public.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I'll find them.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Sit there, cry, sift the records, scrub some lines, redraw
the map, do the work. You're not above the work, Okay,
I did the work.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Anyway, be completely understood, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Understand Now if I had records that I literally blocked
her from seeing, like specifically, like, hey, I have the
will and testament of like this specific ancestor or something,
and I'm specifically keeping it from you under all like
I've locked it on all that would be too much.
I have not locked down anything. I just locked down
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my tree.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
And you know it's sad to see.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
If you go on my profile, you can absolutely see
that I have twenty six hundred people on my tree.
So people looking and be like, I phone me, Oh
my god, one day, one day, I'll be more mature.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Do you have any scrubbing stories.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I'm a scrubbed line my So when I was in
elementary school, when everyone gets that assignment and you know,
second or third grade, come.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
On everyone, let's do your family tree. So in my
baby book, I actually there's a front page where there
was a tree. It was had me, my mom and dad,
my grandparents, my great grandparents, like perfect, I can just
copypaste this, but in this in my put this for
my essay and I'm done, and my mom goes, you
know that's not true, right, And I'm like, what do
(20:53):
you mean. She says, yeah, I Belitho's not Boppy's real dad.
That's just his stepdad. And like you know, when it's
something that's known among the family and they just forget
to tell people like my mom didn't realize that I
didn't know. Everyone else knew, and she was like duh.
Even better, when ma Abolito died, maybe like five years ago,
(21:14):
my older cousin went to the funeral. They still live
in Panama, and he went to the cemetery and saw
his name on the grave and he's like, who the
hell is that? He realized on that day. Cousin's like
forty years old, that our grandfather quote unquote was not
his grandfather. He's like, I thought he was Alvarado. I
think he's not Alvarado, and then my grand then my
uncle was like you know or not Alvarado's either, right.
(21:37):
He had the most dropping day. Your grandfather's not your
grandfather and your name is not your name. My cousin
like lost his mind. So again, it's one of those
things where everyone quote unquote knew but forgets to tell
people like I knew and Fausto knew, but I didn't
realize that you didn't know. So then we just kind
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of mentioned it out of the blue and you're just
your whole mind is blown.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
So yeah, I feel like that happens so much in families,
like people just forget to tell, like, oh, let's be
nice and say they forgot.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
No, honestly, it really was like my dad's like, I'm
the youngest. My two older brothers are ten and eleven
years older than me, So I was like the surprise baby.
So a lot of things happened before I was born
that they they, honest to God, just don't realize that
I wasn't there. For Like my mom would tell stories
about oh, yeah, blah blah blah. I'm like, Mom, I
wasn't born yet, and she's like, oh, that's right, you
weren't here, Like she would think like the kids were there,
(22:30):
like my two brothers were there obviously, and she just
thinks of the three of us as all together. She's like, no,
you're absolutely right, you would have been a Like we
were speaking me and my dad and my brother the
other day about when we moved to our house. We
moved to our house when I was like two years old,
and my brother's like, don't you remember before we moved.
I'm like, Jonathan, I would have been a year old.
What do you think he was ten? So clearly the
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memory for him was like super vivid. So there was
a lot of issues, like not issues, but events like that.
In my family that everyone sort of knew you collectively,
and they're like, oh, yeah, she's a lot younger than
the rest, we should probably tell her all these things. So,
long story short. When I was in elementary school and
I did that tree, my father Javier Alvarado, his father
(23:15):
also Javier L. Barado, his father Anastasio la Barado. Anastasio
married do Aldo, and I was like, they have the
same last name. And they're like, yeah, you know, it's
a really common last name. They're not related, and I'm like,
it's a common last name, but it's not that common
of a last name.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I was about to say, maybe a Rodriguez I could see.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Right ar Lofez Garcia. Maybe, I'm like, Alvarado's common, but
it's not that that common. Panama's got three million people
and we were in the same town, Like are you sure?
Speaker 3 (23:47):
So for my whole.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Childhood from like eight to eighteen, I was like, oh
my god, I'm freaking in bread. This is the worst
thing ever. Like I was so ashamed. I'm like, can
we make up another name for her to like put on,
you know, the tree, Like I'm not telling people that
my grandparents had the same last name. Cut to I'm
about eighteen. I find out they're not even my grandparents.
(24:08):
Ah ah, okay, I'm the scrubs line.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Okay, this is where we get. Okay, there we go.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
So my Abulita, she said, and also who cares was married,
and apparently after or before my father was born, they separated.
But of course this is nineteen fifties Catholic nation. There's
no such thing as divorce. Your husband goes, you stay,
you have his name. Any children that you have automatically
get his last name. So my father is born, my
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father automatically gets registered as at Abadao. My uncle is born,
my uncle automatically gets registered as out Vadado. So all
of our lives were just walking around with these names.
And it comes to the point when my parents are
ready to immigrate. So after uh noriega and people are
getting disappeared, like it's time to go. My grandmother was
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one of ten I had one brother and nine sisters.
So he goes to one of the aunts and he
goes and the aunt's like, don't talk to me about
these things. I don't know what you're talking about. Go
ask somebody else. So he goes and he finds the
man again. Is like, I spoke to my aunt and
she says, she doesn't know what you're talking about. Go
to this other aunt, and this pattern continues. He goes
for about three aunts until finally one's like, all right,
(25:21):
all right, you got me, and she tells my father
the whole story. Wow, And it turns out yes, this
man in fact was his father.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
And of course it was the thing of you know,
there's no divorce and your quote unquote father left and
so you know, your mother fell in love with the
Baker and they had you and they had your brother,
and that was that.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
And so.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
I myself and this grum's line, I had to cross
out my grandfather, the two of daw those. Honestly, my
dad told him this, told my brothers, he didn't all
tell us at the same time. And of course the
two boys kind of had this identity crisis of my
name is not my name and blah blah blah blah.
And I was just like, oh, thank god, I'm not
(26:05):
in bread, like I might get married tomorrow, and like,
my name's not going to be mine anyway. So it
didn't really matter much to me. But my greatest relief was,
like Vadado is not my grandmother, and she didn't get married.
I want to savo. I have found any more duplicate
last names, so life, So that was a release line.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I need to know if they were related, even though
they're not your line anymore.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
I wonder, but I've never found, you know, Like I
was thinking, no great grandparents, like I don't need to
go any further than them or great great grandparents actually
because yeah, I'm like, who cares about those people? But
I was just like, oh, thank god.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
So this is my mother's step family's line, so not biological,
but like adopted her and raised her from like ten
eleven years old. So she took the last name, and
it was a German last name. It was actually Ludwig
and in Germany it was l U d Wig and
that's what her stepfather. So when they came from apparently
(27:11):
so I'm sorry, Yeah, so apparently this family, like the
grandfather came from Germany, went to Brazil, married a woman.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
That's not scary. I think they're like all bad stories.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, and they came to the US, and when they
got to the US, they decided to add the name
like an e to the middle, so l U d
e w I g all right. Most of the siblings
edded thatt E one didn't so his descendants all have
like Ludwig with no E, but the other siblings, their
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descendants all have it with the E and the name.
And I didn't know that the Ludwigs on Long Island
are all related. I can only speak for Long Island
and if there's E or not any they were related.
Like that's the way it is. So I had a
panic attack, maybe about a couple weeks ago. It was
very recent where it finally clicked to me. My mother said, oh, yeah,
(28:15):
when the grandmother from port from Brazil, she used to
speak when she had dementia, she reverted to speaking Portuguese
like in her later years from Brazil. And you know,
it's just something I knew. I never processed it, and
I finally like put timeline together. I was like, Mom,
(28:35):
when were they in Brazil? If you tell me there
were in the late nineteen forties, I'm going to literally
like freak the out right now that you were adopted
into a Nazi family, Like I am not playing games
right now. And then she's like, no, they like immigranted
like the twenties.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
Okay, I hope.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
So I hope, so we're.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Gonna go with them. Okay, but apparently, like timeline wise,
like some of the older brothers were born in like
nineteen twenty seven in the US, all right, so at
some point they got from Brazil too, that's safe. Yeah,
and then I think they changed her name because she
was Louisa and then in the US she was Louise
the grandmother.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Okay, but I.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Had a mini freak out that it was like Argentina.
But the sect two.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Point zero, Well Mangela was in Brazil, so there's those
twins that has happened. All those experiments happened. Yeah, but
that went down in Brazil. But we all look at
Argentina Brazil at their equal share.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
No, Brazil really was bad. No one pays attention to that.
They also want everyonecus is in Argentina. Yeah, like, yeah,
you can trace your line, your Argentinian line, right back
to But then when I finally realized, I was like
these Germans in Brazil, when did it happen? Because I mean,
not that they were blood related, but I just didn't
want that line. Yeah, I mean, and I gave up
(30:00):
that name when I.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Got my following.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Well, I'm not in bred and you're not a Nazi.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
So not today, We're doing well. We're doing well.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
I have never been so relieved to hear that. It
was not in the nineteen forty something.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
That was me finding out that these people were at
my family, Like, oh, thank goodness. I mean, all these
people died before I was born anyway, like my even
my my actual grandfather died before I was born. So
I'm like, what difference is it's one name versus another name?
Like I never met any of these people, they didn't
raise me, like who cares, but they did have unique names,
which was very helpful. I'm like Alvarado, even though it
(30:41):
is kind of, you know, a common last name, like
I'm never going to find these freaking people, but my
actual last name is very unique and it's only in
Panama and like a couple of towns in Columbia. So
that actually helped to be a lot very helpful in
actually find And that's how I found Edward because that's the.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Line scrubbed the line, the scrubbed line.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
So actually that side of the family very cool.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah yeah, but that's an example of like you scrubbed
it and then you found something.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Better, right, right, And if if I hadn't known, we
would have just matched them, like how are we related?
We never would have been able to piece it together
because but again, it's one of those things where no
one spoke about it, but everyone knew, and when the
secret quote unquote secret finally came out, they're like, all right, well,
this was his name, and this was his brother and
his sister, and this is his grandpa, and like, I
got the whole family tree that was accurate. So that's
(31:32):
how we found each other.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I was convinced for a while that I think I
told this on a previous podcast my Brito. He was
orphaned around age seven, and his mother raised him, and
his quote unquote father he met like once in his life,
but then he was raised by a family friend with
(31:54):
this very specific last name, and he was raised with
this guy's kids and wife, like you know, adopted informally adopted.
And then I was going through the family tree and
I started seeing DNA matches with this not very I
knew this last name. This last name that I knew
was the step I'm gonna call him his adopted father's
(32:14):
last name. It's like, why is this adopted father's last
name coming up? In my DNA. That makes no sense.
Like if it came up as a potential hint in
a family tree, that would make Yeah, that would have
made more sense to me. But DNA was like throwing
me off. And then I was seeing like it was
like fourth cousins. And then I started like messaging one
of them, and she said, oh, like I know the
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great grandmother of this.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
And.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I had convinced myself that I'm just gonna put.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
My th there.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I was convincing it.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
I know.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I was convinced that my grandmother, sorry, my great grandmother
had an affair with this man. Yeah, and then he
after she died, he took in her kid and like,
well their kid and like, you know, being a nice neighbor.
And I was convinced that that's what happened, and no
one knew but me. But then I traced it back
a little further and I'm pretty sure they were distant
(33:08):
cousins just by the CMS they shared. It wasn't likely
it would have been more. They would have been way more.
So I was like, it's it was a small town.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
And like everyone gets related at eventually, Yeah, those people
are probably.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Honestly, it's actually like I had it in my head.
I was like, we really are, and I'm not going
to say the last name. I'm going to just say Lopez.
It wasn't Lopez. I was like, we really are at Opus,
And then when I wasn't, I'm like, oh, I mean
technically maybe, but way further up and with wayless scandalous.
So I'll figure it out eventually, but it's nothing to like,
(33:47):
you know, clutch your pearls, not like my story. But
I was convinced for a little while that I had it.
So I had this whole thing in my head. I
was like, they must have had a love story tell
in this small town and this crazy thing. And I
prop again, am I one hundred percent sure? No, But
I'm based in the CM shared like not really, it's
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not likely. They were probably distant cousins and like you know,
they probably shared like grandparents or like great grandparents something
like that, which is whatever, that's fine. So they for
a while, I was like, we are we really not
hitting us? Are we really? Lopez is oh man? Like,
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my whole identity is shape and it wouldn't matter if
it was that further up anyway. So yeah, that was
my scrub line. I was like, and I actually it
was because I'm such a shitster. When I really thought
that was my story, very briefly or like a few
seasons ago, I was like, oh man, I'm going to
(34:56):
show up to the I'm gonna make problems like drop
bompshot because the adopted family, we still see them at
family events because they were My grandfather was raised with
these with his siblings that weren't really because his biological
siblings were much older than him, so by the time
(35:17):
the mother died they roll on their own. He was
still seven, so his siblings were the adopted ones, and
they are still around and their kids are still around
and their grandchildren are still around, so like they're still
a part of the family. So if I had walked
into the family, I'm but I don't think your grandmother knew.
(35:39):
Like I wouldn't have actually said those words, but I
would have stopped in like we're actually biologically related. But
it's not the case. I mean, if it is, it's not,
it's much further up.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
It's not worth my because my family everyone was like,
all right, you figured it out, congratulations, congratulations. I'm like,
everybody knew, but you know, you're not telling your sister's
secrets to anybody until he's like, I think the sisters
all kind of like got on a call, like, oh
he asked you, he asked me to. I'm like, all right,
let's finally say something.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
So I had to scrub my own line of.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Scrub myself.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
But when I strub myself, I was like, this is
probably for the best. I built the scandal and it's
probably for the best.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
It's not real. They had a very unique class name,
which helped my search a lot more because I remember
when I first started, like Alvarado, I'm never going to
find these people, like there's so many all over the world.
But then it ended up being a blessing in this
guy's like I have a very unique glass name. If
it had been mine.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I swear if I find like if I find some
name like Garcia Torres, like I don't know if I'm
gonna pursue it, because I'm just I will, but I
may not drive myself crazy over it for a while,
because I know it's gonna take more.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
Now. It's always my family's lucky that we've got a
lot of unique first names and or siblings with unique
first names, and so I've been able to track it
that way, like, Okay, if I see, you know this
person with the god the same godparents is this person
has the really unique class name, like all right, I
can oddsar like I've got a great grandmother Toriibia Hvida.
(37:21):
How many freaking Touribias could there be? And she had
a sister that was like Clorinda or some random such name.
I'm like, there's only the two of you. There's no
way that there's any other people like that. And so
they were like the godmothers to each other's children. So
I was able to find my great great grandmother and
her sister and all of their kids, and I was
able to track it back that way.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
It's so interesting you talk about godparents, and I believe
Foster was talking about that as well, because I don't
know what your family cultures are, where like do somebody
have all the god children like you know, for example,
if you were your brother's kids godmother would like, if
you had like four kids, would.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
You be got mother told?
Speaker 6 (37:59):
That's how that's how that happened, really and kind of well,
at least in those days, like the godparents tended to
be the same for all of the children.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Okay, So in my family has always been like run
around like could be here, could be there, It could
be they wouldn't have helped.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
They tended to repeat the same godparents, so that was
always a help too, because like my great grandfather was
one Segura. How many freaking one Segudas are there a million?
But one Seguda had a brother called Valentine. I'm like,
all right, Valentine is godfather to all of these kids.
So I was able to be like, all right, so
there's not it's not like you're going to be picking
(38:33):
you know, all these So just little things like that,
even though they did have a common first name or
a common last name, I was able to find a
sibling with a more unique name and then see those
people like repeated in the records, like all right, clearly
this was his brother and these were their kids. And
then when I went back to Upanama the last time,
I was like, do you know, I went to like
all my oltas and like do you know the names,
like oh, yeah, he had a cousin and a brother
(38:54):
and blah blah blah. And I was able to make
sure that these were the right people. But yeah, we
repeated people all the time, like everyone had the same
like godparents.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
It makes me not in my family, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
It makes me aty bitty.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
So in Limeon there was like I don't know what
the population was back in those days, like maybe a
few hundred people. So clearly 're not just randomly picking friends.
It's like you are the godparents, right.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
It actually makes more sense to do the godparents your way,
because like if you had like four kids, do you
really want to split them up with different people. You
want them all to be together, so it makes more sense.
But it's just in my family, they don't make sense,
and they're like this kid's parents is this is star
and this one is that brood.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
When we came here to the States, like I've got
different godparents than my brothers and so on. But like
back in those days, it was the same. Like my grandmother,
her brother, and her sister all had the same godparents,
So I mean, obviously I knew who they were, but
it was easy to like track where the family was
because my grandmother was born like very close to Costa Rica.
(39:54):
Then the family migrated to Panama City, which is like
in the center of the country. Then the family migrated again.
I was able to track the migration because they all
had the same godmother with her very unique name, who
happened to be my great grandmother's sister, And since she
had the unique name, I was able to track her
all over the country to see, like, all right, that's
where they were at which time and so on.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
That's fascinating, really cool. Thanks for Elsa.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Do you have anything No, no, no, just yeah, yeah, no,
they had all different godparents. Sorry, I'm stuck on that.
I was just like, do I see anybody now. The
only thing is that I think I may have spoken
about this in a previous season, but on my father's
side of the family, at some point his hit my
(40:44):
dad's great my dad's great grandfather changed his name. So
like half of the kid's records are with one name,
and then the other half are with a different last name.
And then I have found like a few kids records
(41:06):
who were born with the original last name and then
died with the different last name. Yeah, and I'm still
trying to figure that out. And so this is why
I want to know where I can find records for Wills,
because maybe he was legitimized at some point by like
(41:28):
a dad.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Oh right, that happened with my grandfather as well, that
he was born under one name. And then I think
when my oldest uncle was born, he recognized him when
he's like, listen, I have your grandson. Are you going
to recognize me or not recognize my grandfather? And then
from then on everyone had the correct last name.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Right, And so I think that that's what happened. So
I think that ancestor of mine, you know, pad his
mom's last name, and then at some point his dad
must have come along or some inheritance or something you know,
popped up and then changed to a regular last name.
But then the thing is that then that ancestor's original
(42:07):
name is my mom's mom's last name as well, which
is right. And then I was just like, oh boy,
something weird happened there. And it still is entirely possible
there's something weird happened there, but yeah, that's that's part
of the of the branch that I'm still still looking at.
(42:29):
And then just as we were talking, for whatever reason,
I'm like checking our twenty three and me and this
new first cousin popped up that hadn't been there before.
I don't recognize any of the last names, so I'm
going to apparently it on my mother's side, so I'm
going to have to ask my mother.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Who is this person?
Speaker 5 (42:46):
Right, Like whose last names would these be?
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Huh.
Speaker 7 (42:52):
I'm specifically thinking of doing a twenty three and me
test to see if there are any more relatives that
didn't I did both. Yeah, so that's probably next on
my list.
Speaker 6 (43:02):
Oh and also the reason why god parents were so
important for us in Panamas because a lot of the
times that the parents were unmarried and the mother and
both parents didn't present for baptism, the child was automatically
baptized under the maternal name, even if legally they were
they had a different last name. So I've got a
lot of my great grandfather. His last name was Segura,
(43:24):
but his parents were not married at the time when
he was born, so when his mother brought him to
be baptized, he was automatically baptized under his mother's name.
So I had to know, like that was how I
knew this was the same person because I found like
god parents, like this was the link for me to understand,
like who was the same thing with our the side
that match with Edward, my great great grandmother, who is
(43:48):
related to him, was of Asquez, but she was baptized
Saivanthis because the parents were not married at the time
of her birth, so she was saidvanthis and those records.
But then she eventually became Avasquez. And the reason I
know she was the same person is because she's got
godparents who were a Veascus. That That's how I knew
they were the same family. So there was a lot
(44:09):
of times if the parents were not married, the children
would be automatically listed under the maternal last name. Very annoying,
but also helpful because I knew I was able to
always find like the previous generation of their moms. But
it's like, how can I really know these are the
same people?
Speaker 5 (44:24):
Right?
Speaker 6 (44:24):
They would tend to have like a sibling, as you know,
a godparent, and that would be their correct last name.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, you've been so good about figuring that out.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Yeah, piecing together the godparents.
Speaker 6 (44:35):
To Alia, she was the key with her unique first name.
She's the one who pieced together are two trees?
Speaker 7 (44:45):
Anything else?
Speaker 6 (44:47):
All right?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
So I think we could just do some housekeeping and
do we get you ready for our season finale episode?
Speaker 4 (44:55):
All right?
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