Rediscovering Latinidad Season 6 Episode 14 Salud Mental

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
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Speaker 2 (01:02):
And we're back.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Welcome back to Rediscovering Latini Dot. This is our big
season finale, season sick what is season? It has been
you know what?

Speaker 4 (01:11):
And I hope you go all took your time last week.
We had our re air last week and it was
single to MYA. I just hope you really just really
relaxed with some margarita Lesbie. Well, we finished the season
all strong. We're talking about mental health.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, May being mental health Awareness month, Yes, and we
have Oh, let's introduce ourselves. Hey, I'm Edward, I'm Brian Rose,
I'm j Lisa, and I am Faustal.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Fancy that.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
So yeah, we have two wonderful guests here, Lillian and
my dad.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Back again.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Actually both of you did the Veterans episode season five,
so thanks, thanks for coming back to talk about mental
health since as a crucial issue, not just for Latinos
but for everybody. So yeah, if you both can introduce
yourselves and tell us what you do.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
Sure. My name is Lillian. I'm out of Florida, so
I work near Tampa, Florida. Just for geographical an idea,
I have worked in behavioral health for sixteen years and
I usually work more with schizophrenic adult.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Got it and dad, please please please introduce yourself.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
My name is a lot of the roy Dabaska. It's
a pleasure to be back talking to all of you,
and I am a psychiatrist. I practice in the rural
areas in Pennsylvania. I do mostly tell a psychiatry and
I'm looking forward for our conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Sounds good. Let's let's dive in.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
So, yeah, I guess one second. And I also would
like to remind our listeners that Lilian did join us
for an episode on family conflicts in Latino families, and
we started touching on mental health in an episode, but
we're expanding on that. So I both of our guests
have extensive experience with you know, the different realms that

(03:16):
all tie it together. So thank you for coming back
to Lillian.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
So, I guess, both with Latinos and with everyone else,
there's a huge stigma talking about mental health, being open
about it.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Where's this stigma coming from?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
And how how can we deal with this?

Speaker 6 (03:38):
I think it's a historical phenomena because you know, since
even many centuries, they have been throughout the different cultures,
you know, different approaches, different ways to look at people
with mental problems. One time, for example, was considered a gift,

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you know, something given by gods. Another time it was
considered the opossy. It was a devilish thing, and people
were persecuted or killed for being ill. They were mistreated.
It happens during the French Revolution though that there was

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a big change in the attitude. They were less imprisonment,
it was given more liberty or treatment and discontinue in
the new country, the United States, where they were you know,
one of the even the founders were part of physicians

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who were the psychiatris in Philadelphia and Pennsylvania especially specifically,
they were the first hospitals for the mentally ill, and
the United States throughout the history has been in favor
of treatment some maeter of fact. Some of the in
the twentieth century, one of the major centers of treatment

(05:05):
were the stay hospitals, which diminished after the government of
Kennedy because Kennedy apparently but now in favor of that
in those institutions, So which were you know, decline or
counsel in many places replaced by outpatient treatment.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, we had our season five episode where we talked
about the disabilities and how many you know, hospitalization a
major part of that history for sure.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Well, if you don't want me just interjecting for one second,
I think with Latinidad it's we I mean, any human
can suffer from mental health issues, is a matter of
how you view it in the context of your culture.
So from what the statistics I'm seeing is that Latinos
are less likely to receive mental health care than non
Hispanic whites. In twenty twenty one, only thirty six percent

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of Hispanics and Latinos received mental health care compared to
fifty two percent of white patients. So some of the
barriers could be like that could prevent getting treatment would
be language barriers, lack of health insurance, stigma not just
of society, but also within the family because Latinos, if
you know, please step in at any point to correct me.

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But Latinos have a strong sense of familiar mismo. So
the family structure is very strong, and it's very collectivist
and interdependent. So a weakness, a weakness in the link
of the family is considered a failure upon the whole unit.
So when you are pursuing mental health treatment, you not
only take on the weight of your own vulnerability saying
I need help, but then you take on their role

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of like I've failed the bigger unit, or I am
reflecting badly on I'm not able to perform as a
son or daughter, or however your role is in that family,
which prevents people from getting treatment because they don't want
to let down the family unit or in some cases
getting ostracized by the family, or sometimes and I'm.

Speaker 7 (07:02):
Just going to say it.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
I'm just going to put the full be I'm just
gonna full put the full business out there. Sometimes there
are behaviors in Latino families or actions or motivations that
are inherently rooted in their own mental health issues like
mental illness, but it's so normalized in a family culture
that right, so that if you start seeing that that's

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an issue, or if you start communicating or getting help
for things that you see are dysfunctional or just not
working right, you could be ostracized, you could be alienated.
And in a Latino family, being alienated from the family
unit is it's a verly big risk emotionally because if
you are if your family says, how dare you point

(07:45):
out this dysfunction right now? You're not invited to the
to the kind of sile You're not you're not coming.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
You know, we're not You're You're absolutely right. But there's
a lot more factors to that too, like what you're saying,
because also it's like it's respectful in our culture right
to like go against our family right. So there's also
that aspect too, like you are going by the rules
of your culture, and when somebody brushes off like calling

(08:14):
you loco even though you may really have issues, then
it's just like that, that's the that's the logo in our.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Family, right And sometimes yeah, go ahead, LiLine, I'll let
you finish please.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
Sorry, I just wanted to add to what you're saying,
because they're why people I guess in this in our culture,
like I'm going back to like twenty twenty one, like
you're saying, people are in our culture are still coming
to We're a little delayed in our culture, meaning like
it's becoming more known for us to get help and

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to go get help and the resources available. We're still
dealing with people that are afraid because of to get help,
to put themselves out there because they might be supported.
They're becoming known in the system, like the hospital systems
I'm talking about, so that's a risk for them, Like

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they don't want to get help for that reason, and
then they need insurance on top of it. They're scared,
you know, so they rather just be in the community
and deal with these issues. There's not resources for them, right,
So that's an issue we're going to be dealing with
that we've been dealing with, and we're going to continue

(09:32):
to deal with until you know, something happens, because there's
something has to happen. There's got to be more resources.
People have to put more effort into this right.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
And also I want to say that you know both
doctor Bridovasquez and Lillian you you're both you both identify
as Latino, and you both work with patients, and you
you are a Latino healthcare provider. You do provide perspective
on cultural understandings that you have yourself and that may

(10:05):
not be accessible to Latino populations in other countries where
they may there may not be a bigger population and
mental health care access it. I would say that besides
the language barrier, besides the insurance issue, which is massive
because of our insurance issues in this country, and you know,
being able to access that it financially is a privilege

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and it should be a right being able to get
mental health care like you wouldn't you know, if you
need it, you should be able to receive it and
be able to receive those resources. But however, having cultural
understanding of your patients is incredibly important. And I'm sure
when you were and I'm sorry, I'm going to take
a strong guest here that when you were able to

(10:46):
encounter your patients who did identify as Latino and they
saw that they didn't have to do the extra emotional
labor of explaining cultural values, like you could just literally
pick up right where they were. I get you, I
meet you right where you are, I understand that, and
we can move forward the the labor, the emotional labor
of trying to explain your culture, explain family understandings, explain

(11:12):
generational trauma, and immigration issues and language issues. Already putting
that burden on someone who is struggling mentally ill, they're
not going to come back because they don't want to
deal with more work when it's already hard enough. Getting
like taking the first step to say they need the help,
it's another barrier. It's another barrier, and it's another.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Burden overleave when they see other like Latino people in
the help feel like when, for instance, if when I
meet them, they're like, oh, you know, like they're already
relieved that they see that I'm I'm Latino. Does that
make sense?

Speaker 4 (11:50):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (11:51):
We already have that connection and they put their guard
down and they know kind of right off the bat
that I'm going to.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Try to help them right, and they don't have to
explain or defend certain things that you just are like, Okay,
whether or not I agree with it, I've seen it
and I heard it, and I understand it.

Speaker 7 (12:10):
You know, it's that's the key understanding it.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Understanding cultural competency, and you know, just cultural understanding is
massively important if you really want to be able to
get help and be able to even out the access
to mental health care for people about different populations in
this country. But also I mean I had and doctor Ridevskaz,

(12:33):
I would love to hear your experience with your Latino
patients as well.

Speaker 6 (12:37):
Well. In Pennsylvania, you know, it's a state where there
is a minority. Of all the states, you know, the
major states are California, Texas, Colorado, there are almost fifty
percent population, I will say Latino, but in Pennsylvania is
one of the smallest number. But nevertheless, in Land as

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the Pennsylvania which I covered for a while, there was
there after the Hero came Aria, there was an influx
of a great number of Puerto Ricans, probably in the
thousands that went to the Lancaster And interesting enough, a
lot of the Puerto Ricans are already being in treatment,

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So they came in just to follow up. You know,
they had the medications, they had the treatment everything, and
the fact that there were citizens and they had the
medicay or medicay whatever it was a matter was transferring
from there to Pennsylvania. So I didn't have any difference

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in that section of population. Now, if you're talking about
illegal so called illegal or immigrants we know documentations, that's
a different matter because when they come, their fear, they
know they might be arrested or might be in four
to the authorities, and these are more more difficult to

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treat because you know, they don't want to and only
get forced to treatment when there is a major problem
leader legal or or some disruption and behavior you know,
like suicidal art or attempt to suicide, so major behavior problems,

(14:24):
that's when they're forced to treatment. But other than that,
I didn't see any difference between the manatives Pennsylvanians and
the let's say pert Ricans who came from Puerto Rico.
Except for these individuals from who came you know, we

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now without any visa. You know, they come in from
work and they're kind of escaping against authorities because in
Pennsylvania we don't have that thing is very near work.
So they work, you know, and they but maybe now
they're going to come up with more ricasiest to get

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a job, which is a difficulty because you know, a
job is an important thing and survival, that's what gives
you money for food, for shelter, for housing. So not
being having a job is a major trigger for mental problems, depression,
you know, all kinds of worries. None other things. I

(15:35):
wanted to mention though, is that in my time that
I've been here in the twenty because I've been here
in the twentieth century and the twenty first century. The
twenty first century, psychiatry has changed completely. I would call
it doctor Google because you can google anything about anything.
They give you hundreds of pages just to give you

(15:56):
a few if I have time. I don't know. They
have the National Alliance of Mental Health NAMI dot org.
You have the if it's Family Federation of Families f
f C, MH dot org, Family Aware dot org. They
have the n I m H that ni H dot gov,

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which is the main one for national mental health. If
you are substances, use a a dor org for Alcoholic
and Animals n A dot org for narcotican anymos glam
gambles or I mean gambles anonymous dot org, I mean
the A anxiety a d A A dot org Autism Society,

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dot org Autisms, SPAC dot org. I mean to just
to mention a few. There is like hundreds of web
pages arculd if if you're interested, I could give you
a whole list what I found.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
I mean, sure health, it definitely included.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
So Dad, knowing a little bit of your backstory, so
apparently during the start of your medical career in Miami,
you had a lot of patients who were part of
the Mario boat lift, which was nineteen eighty, A lot
of exiles were just sent out of Cuba. Fidel Castro
literally emptied prisons and asylums, sent them to South Florida,

(17:32):
sent them to the United States. What are your memories
of working with that population in particular.

Speaker 6 (17:39):
Well, I was looking for you know, I came with
no specialty in just a diploma, basic diploma. I was
looking for a job and it just happened that the
by having done many people across to a million in
migrants came and like you mentioned, you know, being empty,

(18:04):
all the stay hospital, all the psychiatry hospitals from Quba.
Patients were just saying among the other people in those boats.
Gails were also empty, and the criminals were also standing
in the same boats and the saying. So by the
time they arrived to Miami, nobody knew who was what
or what was going on. So they needed people who

(18:27):
would speak the language to be able to and that's
how I was higher. And so that's how I ended
up in pschiatry because I was looking for all the specialties.
You know, it wasn't my first choice. So it's just
a matter of getting a job. I said, Yeah, I
was handling it. So that's what I did for for
the years that I did the special general specialty in

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sociatry and also chance vchiatry. They did the fellowship too,
so I deal with old ages and so I I
all this crisis my job and my specialty. Probably if
it had that happened, who knows, I may not have

(19:09):
the one charatry. I ended up working like many physicians
who are unable to get a specialty, immigrants, maybe working
as a taxi driver. You can see a lot of
physicians in the United States from all over the world
that come in and they unable to get a job
or a specialty or whatever. They had to do other

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jobs just to make a living. So in a way
that that was very helpful that I had. I knew
the language, and I i you know, I was offered
the job and I took it. I learned a lot,
and I learned a lot not only in Quman culture,
but also about mentally illness because I had there were

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people who were bona fide ill from q and had
some had treatments and didn't have any treatment. And two
different she ate who was criminal? Who was I think
they the crime. They didn't do anything until they did something,
and then they get into trouble, you know, if they
stole or they hurt somebody, or then they got to

(20:12):
talk about only they keep blow and they kind of
stick to their do the right thing. Then I don't
think they had any charges pending, even though they had
been you know, having whatever charges they came from Cuba.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
And and if you're comfortable talking about it, what was
your family's reaction when when you became a.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
Psychiatrist, I was crazy, said, well you get some something else,
you know, because they think that also, say achatrist might
be a little touched by the craziness soon. And I
don't like when they had the headlines or oh it's
a character, did that's a character? Did that big headlines

(20:53):
like they were happening in Germany? Now you know they
have a guy who the crazy thing there. So there's
alway is something against ps chiatry for one reason or another.
Even a Monday, even among the the fellow colleagues, you know,
the physicians, they say, well, you know that they don't

(21:14):
They don't want to because they don't know much as psychiatries.
They haven't rotated to psychiatry, they don't know anything about it,
so they don't. They don't, they don't deal. They don't
identify their patients having the need to consult the psychiatry
unless the patient you know, specifically requested for whatever reason.
But also they which is say defineicit. I think that

(21:39):
in general physicians have not to have mental health knowledge
because a lot of the medical problems do affect the brain.
You know, they think that the brain is not connected
to the body, but you know, the the illnesses on
the body do affect the brain. So that's some of

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the things that I have to be rule out first
before we even start thinking about psychotherapy or whatever therapy
is this individual physically ill that requires, you know, all
the treatments rather than psychategy it because they say the
illness is a cancer, brain tumor. Doesn't matter what's done
to that patient, it's going to get deteriorated. That address hers.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah all right, So now let's bring it back to
Lillian here. As a social worker, what's your recommendation if
we have a loved one who may need help, like,
how how should we approach that subject with them?

Speaker 5 (22:42):
I think, well, I find myself educating a lot of
the families that come into I deal with a lot
of the involuntary patients, so it's a shock to the
family and they don't know the process, and they kind
of think like their loved one is in jail. Okay.

(23:03):
So it's really about educating them and educating the patients
and then finding the resources for them that best fit
their needs. You know, like the doctor said, there are
so many resources and education out there by Google, for example,
There's a lot to learn. And what I find myself

(23:25):
doing is speaking with the families in a way to
make them understand that it's okay to do their research
and to find out what's going on with their loved
one and coming in in that approach I think has
been very effective for this culture, and it's just an
ongoing process. And then again finding those resources I think

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is difficult, but there is so much out there. People
just have to do their research. There's medication, there's new medication.
And I wanted to add also with the doctor and
what he was saying when it comes to medical so
with mental health, you sometimes people are coming in for depression,

(24:15):
let's say, but there's or psychosis. Let's go with psychosis,
but there can be underlying medical issues like a UTI
what I see. I deal with a lot of drug
abuse here in the Tampa area, so sometimes we have
to rule out the substance abuse as opposed to the psychosis.

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So there's a lot.

Speaker 6 (24:41):
Follow up on what just Lilians just say. I would
like to say, especially in the area of New York
for suicide. It is one interesting web basedical, La vida espreciosa,
which you say web page is through Google, you put
la vida espertiosa in English, life is precious. You say

(25:01):
community communey life lip dot org. Community lippis if you
anybody who's listening will have depression thinking of suicide to
go through that web page. Lavidax Preciosa. Life is precious
this area in New York. I want to use isamed

(25:24):
dot org, sanamented dot org for the people California. And
this has made you important interesting of the web pages
I found.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
Yes, I'm I'm doctor. You are so fascinating. I love
hearing you talk and your input and your stories. I
was I was telling Brier, I'm amazed by you and
your experience and what you have to offer everything. All
the web pages that you just spoke about I will
definitely use for my practice. So I appreciate you so much.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (26:01):
This is so nice.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
If you, Lilian, feel free to ask any questions at
any point, I'd love to yes, please, yes.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
Sorry, I do have one for the doctor. When you
do mention all these new resources which you and I
are very familiar with, as far as Google and there's
resources out there. We're still learning and you've seen over
time more resources come about. How has that helped or

(26:32):
not helped and helps me?

Speaker 6 (26:36):
You know, this information to the patient. They get money
in charge of what's going on when they come in.
They already they have expectations say, well I read this
well that they can they feel more comfortable, you know,
talking to psychiatry, Well, you know I read that this

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is so sometimes even challenging, and sometimes I even learn
from patients because you know, each individual is different, so
why might be in the books it may not apply
to an individual. You know, everybody's different. So you know,
I learned, and that's always able to get all this
information from some patients. Another comments, pay not the web page,

(27:23):
but telephone numbers. It's important to know is nine to
eight eight for you know, twenty four to seven you
can call for suicidal ideation and if it's an emergency,
you can always call nine one one to go to
the emergency room. But patients you can even go.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
You can even go to the hospitals voluntarily and say
you're having suicidal thoughts. A lot of people don't realize that,
Like you can literally walk into an er and say
you're you're going to hurt yourself and that's why you're here.
Like people don't understand that sometimes, like they could just

(28:03):
walk in like they're getting help.

Speaker 7 (28:06):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
They don't have a bed, they can still keep it
in the emergency room, you know, have somebody to talk
to them, and most of the time they just get
this charge from the emergency room after everything, you know,
sometime even with medications, some time with contacts about it too,
follow up. Yeah, it's a first good step to doom
before you know, doing the final steps.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
I think it's kind of a I think people still
have in their head if they you know, have intentions
to harm themselves, you know, they get the street schack
in and then so it's it's it's good to know
that you know, someone in that desperate state can still
be treated, you know, as as as as a person, right, yes.

Speaker 6 (28:49):
It's a human being absolutely.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
To listen faster. Do you have anything to.

Speaker 8 (28:53):
Add before, well, well, yeah, I actually you know, I
as a Dominican growing up in in the United States
and growing up in the eighties and nineties, there was
a huge stigma, you know, with regards to to mental
mental health care, and yes, right, like you wouldn't want

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to tell anyone that you were seeing a therapist or
a psychiatrist because then you would be local, right like,
oh yeazikiatra. And you know, it's it's something that I
think slowly but surely has been changing in in the culture,
and I think right in a lot of Latino communities
and in a lot of communities, yeah, you know, over overall.

(29:36):
But yeah, I think one of the things that we
mentioned a little bit earlier is precisely those barriers to
mental health treatment. First of all, it's like if you're
you know, yourself in a situation, right, getting the being
able to help yourself right, to identify, to have the

(29:56):
energy right or even like literally the mental right, like
the mental wherewith all in capacity to seek for help, right,
Like it's it's a labyrinth, right, like, and you can
be given a list of therapists, right, but then it's like,
oh my god, now I have to call all these people,
all these offices, and I have to see if one

(30:17):
of them has you know, an appointment that's actually soon
and not like three years from now. And you know,
as we were saying earlier, right, not all health insurance
covers a comprehensive right like mental health treatment. Like I
remember back in the day when I first started seeing
a therapist, right like the Copey at the very least

(30:38):
for me, you know, coming shut out of college and
working at a nonprofit was prohibitively expensive, right, and so
it often meant, you know, I either went to therapy
or I wouldn't be able to eat, you know, or
be able to make to make rent. So I think,

(31:00):
you know, we are coming, you know, a long way,
but I think we also still have a long way
to go. And I think one of the things that
I would say to families who have family members, you know,
who who who need right mental health treatment is to
is to really be patient. And it really requires a

(31:25):
level of giving and I guess receiving, but you're you know,
you're you're going to have to give a lot of patience.
You're going to have to give a lot of time.
You may you know, take one step forward you know,
with them, and then two or three steps back before
you can even move forward again. And I understand that,

(31:47):
you know, that can be really frustrating for the person
who's trying to help. But if the you know, the
person who's having the mental health struggles really really needs it,
you know, I I would say, please try to stick
with them. In situations where someone may need medication as well, right,

(32:10):
oftentimes it's a trial and error period. So I'll say,
you know, oh, I guess I didn't mention, So I
don't like to say suffer, right, but I live with
depression and it was a lot more difficult to manage
in my twenties than it was in my thirties.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
And now that.

Speaker 8 (32:31):
I'm entering in my forties, after having gone through ten years,
ten plus years of you know, therapy on and off,
it wasn't until I found a therapist who was or
who is I should say. She's Puerto Rican and Black American,
and she was also someone who was around my age, right,

(32:52):
And so it wasn't until I found her after more
than a decade of going to therapy that it felt
like I actually was making breakthroughs and progress because it
finally felt that someone understood right and had the cultural
as you were saying a little bit earlier, Brier had
the cultural context and competencies right to say like wait,

(33:16):
you know, to say like, oh, yeah, no, I hear
what you're saying, and you know, either this was my
experience or I've heard from other clients who you know,
were Latinos or whatever, or people of color, you know,
this is the the experience that we share.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
So yeah, so just sort of like saying like it.

Speaker 8 (33:31):
It can be trial and error both with medication and
with you know, just like talk therapy, cognitive behavioral therapy
or any other you know sort of therapeutic regiment.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Right.

Speaker 8 (33:43):
So yeah, and then if you're the person who's again
struggling with you know, with mental health, please make sure
to seek help and to not be afraid to do so,
and to not be embarrassed to do so.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Right.

Speaker 8 (33:56):
I think doctor Royda was mentioning a little bit earlier
that when and something is going on with our physical bodies, right,
we don't hesitate to go to the doctor if we're
bleeding or we have diabetes, right, we'll go on the
diabetes medication. Or if you have a bone, you know,
pain or whatever, like you go on pain you know,

(34:18):
pain management medication. The same thing with mental health. Right,
Sometimes we may need medication. Sometimes they may be temporary,
other times they may be permanent. And so one really
also like it's really hard to have to come to
terms with that as as well, in particular when when society,
when family, when you have all of these pressures that

(34:40):
are saying that there's something like inherently or like completely
wrong with you, when there necessarily isn't something wrong. You know,
your brain just functions, you know, functions a little differently,
so you know, I would say, please hold on, be
patient with yourselves things. I will say my experience, you know,

(35:00):
things generally get better when you have the help and
when you actively seek it. I know that it's not always,
you know, I'm talking from a praise of privilege as
someone who thankfully has been you know, employed through most
of my adult career, and then I am able to
get health care, right. I know that public health care

(35:21):
programs don't necessarily cover all of that, but yeah, y'all,
it can get better, and it does get better. And
you know what, even as you're living with it and
learning how to live with it, some days are better
than others. You know. That's like the saying that some
people who live with depressions say, right, like some days
are better than others, and like, truly, I mean that's

(35:43):
going to be the case for everyone, but in particular
for people who are struggling with mental health. And you
have to learn how to give yourself the grace and
sometimes you also have to learn the triggers and even
sort of like the symptoms of a of a of
an episode. So in my case, for example, when you know,

(36:06):
I sort of like if I start to notice then
I'm spending too much time on like work or too
much time like reading and by myself, and it's kind
of like, hmm, maybe something is coming on, right, Or
if I'm spending too much time sleeping or having trouble
falling asleep or having trouble waking up, right, that's usually
also when when like the flags are are raised for me,

(36:28):
and then it's time to sort of like, you know,
change change your behavior or adjust your behavior, even if
just temporarily. And then yeah again sort of like you know,
sometimes things that you do may not make sense to
you until years later, and then you understand, you know,
why you did it again sometimes, right, Like people suffer

(36:51):
from traumas, right, and so that may bring something on.
Sometimes it's just biological. So I think at the very
least for me in my case, it seems to run
in my family. And again, I feel like as a kid,
it wasn't something that people generally spoke about, but now
it's becoming a lot more a lot more acceptable, especially

(37:14):
with our generation, who you know is sort of studying this, right,
Like I mentioned during the last season that one of
my one of my cousins, may she rest in peace,
became a counselor and and it was through her that
I think the family really learned a lot about the

(37:34):
learned a lot about I guess our family history with
you know, with with mental health, and became a lot
more more accepting of treatments right, not just of the person,
but of better treatments as well. And so I know
I went all over the place, you know with with that,
but but yeah, I just wanted to, you know, to

(37:55):
to share that bit. So thank you all for letting me.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Thank you, thank you, And I have to just end
on saying that being able to find the right reason
I love what you said about every day is different
and like you're gonna have good days and you're gonna
have bad days. And I think that understanding the fluidity
of mental health and that's something we're all going to
have to go through and that's an inherently human experience.

(38:21):
And also have a diagnosis or not right exactly real
they have a diagnosis is not you know, it's happiness,
isn't something you're achieving, it's something you're trying to find
in different moments in different capacities every day. So I think,
like what you said about giving yourself grace and giving
your family grace when they're struggling is a really important

(38:41):
component in perspective of all of that. I will say
from my own experience with mental health, I mean I didn't.
I mean I think I briefly talked to someone in college,
didn't last very long. But also in my twenties, I
went through a few therapists, and the reason they didn't
work out was a lack of cultural understanding and to

(39:04):
the point where if you feel like you are spending
emotional energy explaining things like, for example, I can't if
a family member is experiencing racial trauma or like immigration
issues or something like it's something incredibly systemic and the

(39:24):
effects are being rippled through the family and it affects
other ones' mental health. It is very hard to translate
that to someone who really just truly doesn't understand that perspective.
So when you're dealing with a health care provider that
really doesn't have that back I don't want to say
have that background, but doesn't go out of the way
to even learn about that background, you know, it's hard

(39:46):
for them to continue treatment. I mean, it took a
while to find someone in my thirties that really worked
out for me. And you know, your health care provider
will change also based on their own circumstances. I really,
I'm really appreciating this conversation. I think it's so important,
and I just I definitely want to, you know, add

(40:09):
onto things I actually was. I remember a couple of
months ago I was talking to my therapist about because
I'm just gonna put that out there, I was struggling
with understanding some dynamics and extended family and it was
really starting to bother me and affect me and my
closer family relationships, and it was bothering me to a

(40:30):
point where I really couldn't grasp why it was affecting
me so hardly. And she broke it down for me,
saying that because it's not this or that, everything is intertwined,
so your own mental health is being linked to because
that's always been a cultural value for you. So when
your family is struggling, if you're extended family people you
care about is struggling, that's not a you versus them thing.

(40:52):
This is a collaborative thing where we're you know, we're
all we're all under we are all experiencing the effects
of our loved ones too, so that you know, when
they break it down like that, it's like, okay, I
don't you know, I don't know. It gives it gives
us sigh relief. Okay, well there is at least that
explained something. Now what do you do with it? From
there is something else?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Exactly exactly?

Speaker 4 (41:14):
She also asked me, and I wrote this down. I
had to write this down, so I'm going to literally
just put this out there. I'm probably going to modify
on the spot because I wrote this down in like
an emotional moment. But she said to me, she knows
I work on this podcast, and she said, if you
were handling this topic for your podcast, what would you say?
How would you phrase it in terms of talking about

(41:34):
family generational traumas where people are quick to say things
in a subliminal manner or aggressively, but are refusing to
actually have any sort of conversation or hold themselves accountable.
How would you phrase it? And I was like, boh,
and I just started writing, so I'm like, you know what,
there's some merit here. It's a little it's a little raw,
but I'll just say it out loud. I said that

(41:57):
our family, like or at least my family, maybe other
people will relate to this. And if, honestly, if what
I'm saying to any of our listeners, if you relate
to it, if it feels personal or feels like this
could be your own family, just know that you're not alone.
You know what I mean, You're not And it's whatever
we're staying silent about, we're not healing. You know what
I mean With that? You don't have to deal with

(42:18):
things publicly, but at least hearing and knowing that it's
out there can be very healing. But our interdependent cultural
structure forces some conformity in family dynamics, and we're taking
a form of collective psychology and using it to manipulate
and control a group. So, when families have suffered from

(42:38):
generational trauma, maybe immigration issues, housing insecurity, food insecurity issues,
and then throw in the collectivist, interdependent dynamic, how do
you expect people to adapt well and develop great coping
skills on their own without help? We can't expect that,
and without getting the proper perspective or treatment, these behaviors

(42:58):
become accepted and normalized even though they may not be so,
but using these behaviors to manipulate and coercive a family
member and families could fear losing what our community values
most family direct conversations, coping skills. This isn't what our
immigrant families and even earlier ancestors learned when they were

(43:22):
surviving severe hardship, and there's a constant fight or flight
mode that manifests in different ways with each generation. Mental
health isn't taken as seriously. Conflict resolution skills are not taught.
It's an endurance for loyalty or lose your community and culture,
which can feel absolutely devastating. You know, we didn't grow

(43:43):
up in this. Our families didn't grow up in this
hyper independent North American culture. That's not how they were raised.
So maybe the people we went to school with they
don't understand what we're going through because they're like, well,
that's not us, you know what I mean? So what
we have left there's souvenirs of generational trauma, the varied
results of a spectrum of assimilation into the United States,

(44:06):
and quite frankly, personality is being defined by pain. They
add coping skills and communication skills, and even more frankly,
a deep and widespread range of some cluster B traits.
So I note I did get a bachelor's in psychology,
but I do not have any license to diagnose, and
I will not. But some things are obvious also my job.

Speaker 6 (44:29):
And also like pharmaceuticals can continue in their business, I
must say that just like people who have fever have
to take a pill or take a bill like a
Thailand or to lower the fever, for psychiatric symptoms, we
have also medications to lower those symptoms. We don't offer cure,

(44:52):
but we have that options. Of people you know who
have some symptoms, whether it's depression or anxiety, or anger
or having problems with their thoughts, we have medicines that
can come those symptoms. They may, you know, it may

(45:12):
not be the first shot, the first medicine, but if
we try different medications, either because they're allergic or because
they have side effects, eventually we might come up with
the right medication for the individual who having any symptoms.
So that's something to having in mind too. Yes, and
that also can be prescribed by the way, by primary

(45:35):
scare physicians who have interest in treating mental symptoms too.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
I just want to add to all this. You guys
are talking about finding the right therapists, finding the right
medication that works for you, the child and error, finding
the right resource. Usually when these tients happen, it's a
time of crisis. You know, people are feeling an all
time row. That's when they go to a therapist. That's

(46:03):
when they go to the er too. You know, they
don't know what's going on with them and why they
feel the way they feel. They go to their provider
and they're feeling depressed, and when they ask them the questions,
they're checking all the marks. So what you need is
all the resources at once. Treat it as a crisis.

(46:25):
For me, I deal with it and it's so normal
for me because it's what we do working out of
the hospital. But same thing, if you go in and
you're seeing a psychiatrist, get all the resources, follow up
with the therapist, go to groups, go you know, call mommy.
There's therapeutics groups for people dealing with the same issues

(46:47):
or different issues that you will learn about and getting
everything at once because you have to get out of crisis.
You know, whatever that means to you, it's not going
to happen. Therapy is not going to be the only
thing that might fix you. You're going to need a
medication that helps. Maybe it's about finding the right doctor

(47:10):
that will listen to you. It's a lot, and you
have to treat it as a moment of crisis when
you're feeling and I'm really gearing towards the suicideality of things.
So that's what I mean, crisis. Take everything you can get.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
Thank you so much. And it's so important to keep
into perspective too that we have to keep in mind
the resources and that there's ways around it. And also
the first line of treatment may not be the best
for you. That doesn't mean to stop. So you could
be on a medication that could get like doctor Rodd
Lennon said, that could give you bad side effects. That
doesn't mean all medication is going to do that for you.

(47:52):
You could be on too low of a dosage. You
could be on too high of a dosage that is
completely making you numb and you're not functioning to where
you want to be. Everything can be adjusted. If you
look at it as a process and not an end result,
then you're bound for more success. Plus something that worked
for you at one time, one medication with one dosage

(48:13):
or one therapist that was working for you for a while.
Then you totally change maybe partners, or you maybe change
profession or you move to another country or something else,
and it's not working for you anymore.

Speaker 7 (48:25):
That is okay.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
You can always adjust things. We're always I feel like
we always have to take emotional temperatures within ourselves and
say what's working, what's not working. You don't have to
for a culture that is very big on loyalty, you
don't have to stay with something that's not working anymore.
So if again, whatever treatment plan you have, it's stopped working,

(48:50):
you can bring this up with your provider and that
they would love to help you get readjusted and make
you feel better. Help you feel better because you deserve to.
You deserve to feel better. We don't have to anchor
ourselves to antiquated systems or treatment plans that aren't working,
or providers that stop being effective. There's always room for

(49:11):
like moving things around and being able to adjust to
what works for us. I mean, when we think about
what may be left from the results of like generational
trauma or things that happened to Latino communities, it's what
you can be left with untreated in family systems is
you could be left with dynamics of gas lighting, courgeon manipulation,

(49:35):
severe triangulating of members against each other, causing more strife,
more individual mental health issues, and it just it compacts,
like it just adds on to itself and it just
blows up. So these things like it could it could
be a splintering of the one thing that we need
down to our genes, a family community. We are left
with enabling the loudest, maybe not the healthiest dynamics in

(49:59):
the family. Yet no one has the courage to have hard, uncomfortable,
self accountable conversations. People end up pointing fingers when they
feel helpless, either for themselves or within the family, and
it doesn't help. People are not able to see any hypocrisy.
They sometimes in uncomfortable or really dysfunctional family dynamics with

(50:21):
mental health issues. People don't see any hypocrisy. They banish
people who don't participate in cruel dysfunction. Our lineage, the
family tree that was supposed to endure through all weather
and hardships, evolved into something that more resembles a wreath
of generational pain. Our ancestors sacrifice so much endured travesties
and this is our legacy. How can we make ourselves

(50:44):
proud of where we brought it all? And in the end,
our children and the future ancestors can lose connection to
family through things that are avoidable, like mental health treatment.
What else did I have, oh the folk lord, the
lessons learned? We are left with this? So what can
we do now? How do we stop the cycles? How
do we make sure the generational wounds aren't burdens for

(51:05):
our descendants to carry? How can we support our family
and ourselves and help them flourish and ourselves flourish with
the lessons we learned? How can we help ourselves since
it's not too late? How can we make our ancestors
proud and honor their legacy. We can seek access and
choose to keep ourselves accountable, to honor our community's emphasis

(51:26):
on family and not sacrifice on our own values. We
can help identify and the support people in communities with
mental illness with intention. And that's all I have to say.

Speaker 8 (51:36):
So can I ask a couple of things? Thank you
so much for that? That was really beautiful prior, and
I guess to related things, and I'll try to keep
it short so I also would want to say, so
thankfully we have you know, these two really wonderful mental
health professionals who are empathetic and listen to their patients.

(51:58):
It sounds like right, And so I would say there
are two signs to this, two sides to this coin.
As well to those mental health professionals, there are times
when your patient may be trying to tell you something right,
and you should listen to that. And so the reason
why I say that is because several years ago, I
was on a medication and it was a brand name

(52:20):
and then you know, I guess the health insurance didn't
want to pay for the brand name anymore, so they
switched me over to the generic form of this medication.
And I could tell immediately that it was just not
the same thing. And so I would go to the
doctor and I was just like, this doesn't feel right,
and then you know, they'd be like, well, it's the
same medication, it's the same you know, chemical whatever. But

(52:43):
like and I think back, and even then I was
just like, no, See, the brand name is like in
a capsule, and then this generic form is not in
the same capsule. So if you're telling me that this
is supposed to be extended released. I was just like,
this is not what I'm getting from this generic form,
and I remember I stop taking the medication and just
kind of like whatever. Several years later, I actually read

(53:05):
an article where they had to discontinue that generic medication
because it wasn't, you know, being produced. I guess the
quality control wasn't there. And I literally was just like,
oh my god. So I wasn't crazy. So I was
just like, there it is. So I am at the
very least now better equipped to tell the doctor, you know,
to go to a mental health professional and say this

(53:27):
is not working and you're not going to gaslight me here,
and just kind of be like, this is the same thing.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Nah.

Speaker 8 (53:32):
Nah, I'm just like I have been through too many
years of therapy to understand what gaslighting is and this
is what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
And so if I may add, we had an episode
on Latino Healthcare several seasons.

Speaker 7 (53:43):
Again, yes, thank you, And in.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
That episode, we you know, there are cultural things or
maybe things that our family believes and it could be
like postpartum or whatever it could be. And when practitioners
are not respectful, when they are not taking their patients
pain seriously, symptoms seriously. Not only will will Latino stop
getting treatment, but they will just have this well, not

(54:07):
just Latinos, but people. If people experience what we do
as a whole, like the way we experience things in
the healthcare field, how how do you expect if they're
not getting the right medical care, like, if they're not
getting the right treatment for you know, non mental diagnosis,
that of course is going to affect their mental health.
So you have a compounding problem where access and quality

(54:28):
of medical you know, treatment is affecting their mental health.
And oh great, then then there's mental health providers that
aren't seeing their cultural perspective. So it's just this compounding issue.

Speaker 8 (54:37):
You lose the trust, you lose the confian right. And
I think maybe that needs to be another episode just
talking about confianza and that that that that not just
term right, but like that idea and what that means
in many cultures, but you know, in particular because we
you know, we're Latinos in a lot of Latino cultures.
And then just the second thing I just wanted to say,

(54:57):
it's just you know, one of the things Brier as
you know, as you were speaking that sort of like
reminded me is you know, like you were saying, right,
like oftentimes mental health anguish comes from like that fear
of losing that that cultural connection writer that that sort
of like familial you know, relationship, and and I literally

(55:21):
was just kind of like, oh yeah, oh my god, yes,
I remember that when I, you know, realized that I
was queer and I was coming out as queer, and
that was one difficult for me to manage, too difficult
for my family to manage, right, And then it's kind
of like, oh now I'm also like sitting here feeling
like I'm losing, right, a piece of my culture, a

(55:42):
piece of myself because I'm trying to be myself right,
And so like it really does it can really sort
of like create this like almost not a vicious cycle,
but like like I guess it can con generate. Yes,
there you go confirmation, yeah, and and and you know,
and you just get stuck I guess in that echo
than your head of like Okay, well you know I'm

(56:02):
different or I'm not worthy and no, because of that,
I'm afraid of losing my family. So do I you know,
am I honest to myself? Or do I keep this
to myself.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
So and I will say and if to for you
and I to act this out for a second, to
you were to bring those issues to a non culturally
confident therapist, if you were to say, I am out
and my family's having a hard time with it. My
family means so much, We've been through so much. I
could be losing my link to my community. If I
lose the link to my family, that is going to

(56:31):
affect my mental health. If you go to someone who's
based in North American psychology with no understanding of let
they need that, they're going to say things like, well,
if they can accept it, who we are, you don't
need the you don't need to start over, you don't
need a family, Just start over. The off cut everyone off,
cut that off, and it's and to be able to
that's just not going to work for us. I mean, yes,

(56:53):
of course there are things you are going to cut off.
Of course, they're going to be tears that you're going
to move around with people in your family depending on
if they're good for you emotionally or not. We're not
saying to stay close to things that are hurtful for you,
but managing that from a Latino perspective versus a non
Latino perspective has to be taken into consideration.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
So if I were, you know, telling you that, like, well,
what does it matter to you? What does a matter
of your family make a new family?

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Right?

Speaker 7 (57:19):
You know, time for a new therapist.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Exactly, that's time for a new therapist. And for our listeners,
that does not mean mental health practitioners don't understand that
one didn't understand. Someone else will that one didn't get it.

Speaker 6 (57:32):
So I like men, I like to mention fast to
remind me about medication, is that like a warning. A
lot of people take pills because a friend gave them
the pill, or because the family member gave them a pill,
or because in the street they can buy some sentinel,
or because they can bring alcohol, thinking that they're gonna

(57:56):
get get improved with their symptoms. And then that's a
Russian roulette because you know, you ever heard of the
fantony overdoses that are happening by the tens of thousands,
you know, the very powerful drug that if you take
a person can die from an overdose. And similarly, there
can be all kinds of street drugs, especially marijuana now

(58:20):
tending to be quote unquote illegal substance. I would discourage
people from smoking marijuana if they want to treat the symptoms.
That against my bias, maybe from my profession, but that's
I wanted to give those five cents worth of free
counseling to the friendly audience talktor Ascus.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Thank you so much for bringing that up. That is
another great thing I want to jump off of because
you find that with the lack of accessible health care
and then also culturally comprehend mental health providers when people
are facing mental health issues or trauma from what they
went through whatever. It could be the nervous system, if
you don't please and please correct me when I'm wrong,

(59:03):
it wants to regulate itself. So instead of doing the long,
hard work of going through therapy. There are people where
they're going to pursue substances. They're going to pursue substances,
whether that's alcohol, harder drugs. It could be even behavior
is like overspending. It could be sexual issues. It could
be also eating. You know, they could just be trying

(59:24):
to regulate the pain, to numb the pain, regulate their
nervous system and the only way that feels accessible to
them without having the right support or being able to
find that. And that is so important to talk about
because this is a very big part of immigrant and
Latino experiences. I Mean, we see these things and you
can chastise the behavior, but you're not getting to the

(59:46):
root of it. What the root is is someone is
trying to calm their emotional issues or they're trying to
regulate their nervous system and the only way with the
only tools they have or they feel they have at
that moment. That's another way Professter was saying, with grace
and patience, because honestly, if you see someone who's struggling

(01:00:07):
with alcohol, yelling at them about being an alcoholic is
not going to get them to stop right, is not
going to solve the issue like congratulations if that were
to happen. First of all, Second, alcoholics, that's the second
thing also. I think alcohol and if please correct me
if I'm wrong, doctor Rude Vesquez and Lilian. But the
other substance that I know that needs if it's if

(01:00:27):
the addiction is that serious and that severe, they actually
cannot go through function they can't function with that. I
think it's alcohol and benzos. I think that's the two
one where if you need to get off of those substances,
you need medical intervention, You need to be monitored. There
is no lock them in a room for a week
and you know they'll be fine. I mean, your walls

(01:00:48):
might be messed up, but they'll be fine. That's not
the case with alcohol in certain substances.

Speaker 6 (01:00:52):
So you know, the most perfect the most perfectly legal
growth tobacco is the number one killer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Oh yes, and.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Also another reason people smoke. Yes, it is smoking cigarettes
a financially great thing if you're already struggling financially. No,
but smoking cigarettes does curb your appetite. So if you
have food and security issues and that's affecting your mental health,
what seems like the easiest thing. Let me, let me
get a cigarette, Let me get a lucy or something,
or buy this pack of cigarettes still cost less than

(01:01:22):
a whole meal for my family, you know what I mean.
So getting to the root of things would really be
able to help people get be able to you know,
getting to that root and coming in with understanding. So anyway,
that's my soapbox. I'm off of it now.

Speaker 8 (01:01:36):
No, And just like yeah, these these are these addictions,
these substance abuse issues, generally not well. I don't want
to generalize, but I think oftentimes occur in communities that are,
you know, socioeconomically depressed. I live in Milwaukee, and I

(01:01:56):
you know, it's it's really funny because in New York,
I feel like smoking cigarettes is not okay, right, Like,
even as you're walking in the sidewalk, people will get annoyed.
It will probably tell you to put it out. But
you know, in Milwaukee, it's something that I see in
the communities that I work with where there's a lot
of smoking, and in a way that I I like,

(01:02:20):
I'm sorry, silly me. I was just like, oh, I
think I guess we're past this now, right, Like people
are more aware and you know, and don't have to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Do that anymore.

Speaker 8 (01:02:29):
But but yeah, it's let's let's be good to each other, y'all.
Let's be let's be good and sensitive and try to understand,
you know, what it is that that everybody's going through.

Speaker 7 (01:02:42):
That's all I have.

Speaker 6 (01:02:42):
I mean, living in the times when smoking was allowed
everywhere in the restaurants and airplanes.

Speaker 7 (01:02:50):
Yeah, recommended by the surgeon and everywhere.

Speaker 6 (01:02:53):
I mean in the airplanes, You're right, I mean, it's
quite a relief. Now to be living in a place
in a country where you know very few places. Now
you can see smoking. It's a good thing everybody. Yeah,
So the smoker and the fastest smoker we've got. The
passive smoker also gets some effects from the way as

(01:03:14):
if you were a smoker, you can get the same
risk of cancer. You name it, all the long problems
that can cause they're smoking.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Lillian and Dad, any last words of advice before we
wrap up this conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:03:32):
Okay, my my advice is to sleep well, if well,
relax as much as you can, have a job, work living,
have fun, and to treat all us like you would
like to be treated. And I think that will give
you a long, happy life.

Speaker 8 (01:03:52):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
I love that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:55):
That's great. I'm going to piggyback off that. Fine. What
works for you and your mental health, Remember to take
care of yourself. Life can get crazy and busy and
things come up. You kind of have to humble yourself
and get into that moment where you can concentrate and

(01:04:19):
focus and find those things that work for you. A massage, meditation,
a yoga class. Like you have the right to your
mental health.

Speaker 8 (01:04:30):
Yeah, and sometimes saying you know, to your boss or whatever,
being like no, you know, with some of us have
high stressed jobs and that's okay, and you know sometimes
you know people will be well, ask a lot of you.
But I have gotten to the point in my life
at the very least where I'm just like, look, life

(01:04:51):
is too short and I'm not here for you to
be screaming at me and like like, yeah, you go
and deal with your situation and then I'll do my
work and then you know whatever, Like you go manage yourself.
That's also another thing sometimes oftentimes, like our supervisor, we
have to be like you go manage yourself. You go
take care of that and then come back to me
and tell me what I have to do. You can anyway,

(01:05:13):
And with.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
That, edels you guys, good, hell, all good.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
All right, thank you, Thank you guys so much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Thank thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
That was a great episode.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
Thank you so much. This has been an amazing way
to end our season. And what a season it's been.
I mean, we talked about so least, we talked about
the full We started the season all talking about the
fall of twenty three in Meyes, we discussed uh latinos
in Dubai and deportation, immigration, citizenship and Columbus Jewish DNA.

(01:05:45):
It's been it's been a wild time and latinos and voting.
We had categories with chatchipt, we talked about Al Chapel,
We talked about the movie Yuli, we talked about Cuba,
and also we gave our listeners a bunch of free
resources and today we ended with mental health. So thank
you all. Thanks for our great season.

Speaker 7 (01:06:04):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Thanks, yes, this is amazing.

Speaker 8 (01:06:07):
Thank you especially to Briar, to Edward and Angelyssa. You
guys put in a lot of work this season. Sorry,
really thank you for that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
And also to our engineer and our new video engineer, Rory.
You're excited, So just a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
I've never seen him before in my life.

Speaker 7 (01:06:26):
I've never seen him before, first time out of my house.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
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Speaker 8 (01:07:23):
Oh my goodness, bye bye

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