On today's episode we discuss the latino voting statistics from 2024, and how this affects latinidad identity moving forward.
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DC:
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TN:
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● NICE - National International Center for Empowerment – https://www.empowernashville.org/
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WI:
● Milwaukee Immigration Legal Service Agencies -https://www.immigrationadvocates.org/legaldirectory/search?state=WI
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Know Your Rights Trainings and Legal Service Agencies
National:
● Trainings for immigrant educators, students and parents – https://www.immschools.org/
● Free or low-cost immigration legal services -- https://www.immigrationlawhelp.org/
● For Dreamers - Legal Services - Cornell Law School –https://sites.lawschool.cornell.edu/path2papers/about/
CA:
● CA Immigration Legal Service Agencies (Bay Area) –https://www.immigrationadvocates.org/legaldirectory/search?zip=95126&x=0&y=0
● Legal services for immigrants - https://www.pangealegal.org/
● Trainings and Resources - Immigrant Legal Resource Center (ILRC) - https://www.ilrc.org/
● California Charter Schools Association (CCSA) Resources – https://info.ccsa.org/safe-spaces
DC:
● DC Immigration Legal Service Agencies –https://www.immigrationadvocates.org/legaldirectory/search?state=DC
TN:
● TN Immigration Legal Service Agencies – https://www.immigrationadvocates.org/legaldirectory/search?state=TN
● NICE - National International Center for Empowerment – https://www.empowernashville.org/
● TNJFON - Tennessee Justice for Our Neighbors -- https://www.tnjfon.org/
WI:
● Milwaukee Immigration Legal Service Agencies -https://www.immigrationadvocates.org/legaldirectory/search?state=WI
Rediscovering Latinidad is an independent podcast. This show is hosted by Briar Rose, Fausto, Edward, y Jellissa and is engineered by Matthew Sambolin. Cover art designed by George Colon.
Visit our website at www.RediscoveringLatinidad.com. If you would like to reach out, please email us at RediscoveringLatinidad@gmail.com, or leave us a voicemail at 646-470-9824.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Dear listeners, we are excited to have you join us
for another season of Rediscovering Latini Dan. We hope you
enjoy this sixth season as we port a tremendous amount
of time, research, and loyalty into our episodes. We also
know that these are unprecedented times, and then many of
our listeners or their family members may be living in
fear and certainly anger about the recent developments with immigration, deportation,
(00:35):
and birthright citizenship. We hold space for all of the
emotions here, and we hope the information we provide you
will help you not only in your journey to discovering
your ancestors, but also leading you to documentation that may
secure your safety. We will list all resources in the
show notes and update them as we uncover more. Now,
we hope you enjoy this episode.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Welcome back everyone. This is season six, episode seven of
Rediscovering Latini Dad. My name is Brian Rose.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Hey, I'm Edward, I'm Faustal, and I'm Lisa.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And today we are going to be talking about Latinos voting,
the proximity to witness.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Latinos voting, the voting. What does that mean exactly? What
do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
What do I mean by that, because there's been I
don't know if that's going to be the official title.
This is just a general overview title.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Okay, okay, wondering where this discussion is going to go.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
This discussion is going to be the fact that we
were surprised by the numbers of the turnout, especially what
was promised with the deportation and immigration, and so that
there are we were very surprised about the statistics. I
was reading statistics all the way up until the day
of the election, where it was supposed to be like
sixty two percent Harris in the Latino population that does
(02:02):
not show up. It literally was reversed. It was literally
first like by a couple bud just by a couple
of points. And I actually I was talking to one
of my friends about this, who is not Latino but
has opinions on things. I say that with some jest.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Oh boy, and.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
The there are articles that are being written now that
even people who are undocumented said that if they could
have voted, they would have voted for Trump. That make
that make sense? And I I sit there and I
wonder why, what what would that makes? That is the
absence of logic in my point in my opinion, however,
(02:45):
there seems to be a if I vote for this,
then I'll be protected, right mindset, and that's not how
this works.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
But also I haven't been watching the civil rights documentaries.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
But that all being said, there's also I don't know.
I'm also I'm pretty sassy, and I think that there's
a little bit of a more of Latino like Latinos
in the US versus undocumented. But there's a little bit
of a fu I got mine, So that's where that's it.
(03:17):
But it sounds like economic concerns.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Were at the top of the priority for.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Why things happen the way they did. So let me
just ask. I mean, all of us must have been
sitting here besides maybe being numb and going back and
forth between them and angry. But what we're seeing presented
to us out here as the result of all of this,
after the whole history of the United States, with our
immigration and deportation, how did it get like this? Why
(03:45):
is why did Latinos show up in this capacity to
vote in this way. Now, I'm not to say that
we are a monolith that we all believe things the
same way. That's not it. But again, if it seems
to be voting in against the best interest. It's we're
just trying to unpack, like why in the identity, like
if we're not valued as people or birthright citizenship maybe removed?
(04:11):
Like where is this serving you? Sorry, these are just
questions being put there. But he Donald Trump actually achieved
a record share of votes from the Latinos.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
You mean for a Republican or Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I don't think they separated by party. I think they
just played.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Okay, nobody was a record showing for a Republican Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
But yeah, but I don't know how those Latinos were registered.
They could have been registered as Democrats, who.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Just oh yeah, no, no, no. But what I'm I guess.
What I'm trying to say is, like I guess, compared
to the share of the Latino vote that other Republican
candidates have received, Donald Trump got one of the one
of the largest, if not the largest, in the last
like something like twenty or thirty years. I think, like
even more than George w. And there were a lot
(04:58):
of Latinos that supported.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
He was for his time, for the time he was
in he was actually seen as pro Latino. I think
he had the first Latino Attorney general if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And part of his family is also.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Laura Bush, right, because Laura Bush.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Is probably no, no, no, I think his brother married a Mexican.
Oh okay, yeah, And so I remember during those campaigns, Lord,
I can remember that far that he would bring out
his Mexican family, and I was just kind of like, oh,
this is interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Trump won forty seven percent of votes among Latino men
in this election back in twenty sixteen, only twenty eight
twenty twenty thirty two percent, And I guess I just
have a hard time wrapping my head around this. Although again,
we're not a monolith.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
It's it's it's it's it's a multi faceted issue here, right,
And there's not one I guess over arching ends her.
It's it's a whole bunch of little things that I
think led to this, including you know, I spoke in
a previous episode about Ni visiong taking a right word
shift right over the last twenty some odd years, I think,
(06:16):
in addition, right like, so, okay, So I also heard
a statistic and I'm sorry I don't have it right
now but in front of me right now, but I
heard it the statistic that said that something.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Never mind, well, there's just in my mind, there's apparently
a thin, cold whiteness as an ideology, and you don't
see it as a skin color or racial classification so
much as something to aspire to.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
There's a book by David Rudiger from like the eighties,
I think it's called Working Towards Whiteness, and it's about
how all of the immigrant populations the European like Eastern
European groups and Southern European groups, who before whiteness was
Anglo Saxons, and if you were Hungarian you weren't white,
(07:01):
and if you were in Italian you were white, and
how you Irish you were and white, and how that
has changed over the course of the twentieth century. So
we're probably seeing like a similarity in how the perspective
of who qualifies as quote unquote white exists now in
the twenty first century. David rudegerve the kids name is.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I mean, I was going to say, I can see that,
But again I also feel like, at least in this situation,
there were a lot of manufactured opinions because again from
the people who I was surprised to hear, right, voted
or would have voted, you know, for the current administration.
It didn't seem like they had like original opinions or
(07:40):
right or fully foreigned opinions. It really just sounded like
they were parroting things that they had heard on Fox
News or a whole bunch of smaller independent podcasts. There's
a Dominican podcast. I am not going to mention his name,
so it's not to give it any more publicity, even
though you know, we don't have now as many listeners
(08:00):
as they do yet. But again, right, like there there
was this demonization, this villainization of immigrants and immigration, and
there was and again there's been this sort of like
consistent drumming about being afraid of the people who are
coming across the border seeking for you know, seeking asylum. Right.
(08:23):
I think that in New York City in particular, because
I think we also saw quite a right word shift
in New York City, like a start one, right, And
that's something that when it started happening, I even was
just kind of like, oh, this is not good. And
it did feel like the Biden administration was doing nothing
right to assist the cities, to give additional you know,
(08:48):
funding resources or right to try to ameliorate the situation.
It just kind of felt like the response was too
slow and then too little, too late. By by then
there are other ideas that I have that will becoming
to mind as you guys speak as well, So I'll
interrupt y'ell. But Edward, I think had you had a
(09:08):
point to make? Yeah, well, so talking about you know
this thing about whiteness quote unquote. So I'd seen a
recent documentary, Homegrown. It was released last year, directed by
Michael Primo, and it follows two Proud Boys and one
aspiring prow Boy. But the Proud Boys being this all
(09:31):
male group, some people consider them to be white supremacists.
But their point is they're they're they're kind of like
they're they're mobilized. They they target their enemies as quote
unquote Antifa, and they're willing to fight them if need be,
or or at the very least have a presence and
threatened people. A lot of them became involved in.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
The January sixth insurrection. Who knows if by the time
this is being aired in March, if they've all been
part of But yeah, so what's interesting is one of
the well, first off, the Proud Boys chairman for three
years was a Latino and Enrique Tharrio. They're also in
the film. There's a character Thad CIEs Naros. He's he's
(10:17):
a Latino man from South Texas, a Navy vet, and yeah,
they're they're really involved in this Proud Boys organization. And
the way that Fad would introduce himself, he would say,
I am a Western chauvinist, and it was the thought of,
you know, the US is part of the quote unquote West.
(10:37):
The West is what's created modern civilizations, supposedly in all
of its glories. So like that's that's how they could argue,
like despite not being white, they could still be part
of this group that people are viewing as like, you know,
white supremacist, and they're saying, well, we're we're Western chauvinists,
not racist.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yes, I just saw sign where they were wearing that
Western chauvinist mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Also too, it's interesting there's a whole legacy of in
Latin America thanks to the US, there was a big
fight against communism, and so a lot of the you know, Antifa,
they're claiming that they're you know, promoting communism versus the
glories of the West to the point that the Proud
(11:25):
Boys have this shirt. Pinochet did nothing wrong because he
was stronghold in the fight against communism. There's like a
meme that they love to share about free helicopter rides
for the for their opponents, because Pinochet would choish opponents
out of helicopters. So there's a Latin American you know,
(11:49):
legacy of adoring authoritarianism, this fight against communism, which was
fueled a lot by the US, both through direct intervention
and then you know, training strong men through I believe
it's the School of the Americas and in Fort Benning, Georgia.
So yeah, it's Latin America has this long history of.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well also just in the US socialism there there was
a larger percentage of men, Latino men, men in general,
but including Latino men that returned to church. And that's
not necessarily a bad thing, but they were returning more
to the conservative principles there where they felt most aligned.
(12:33):
Non Latino men, but men were actually going to Eastern
Orthodox churches in pretty big droves. Yeah, okay, that was
a thing. So yeah, because they love how strict and male.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
So that's what I was going to say. So it's
not about the theology, and it's not about you know,
loving your neighbor and what that Christianity actually represents. It's
about dominance over women.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Right, If you align yourself with the natural order of
the dominant force racially genderwise, where is it going to
lead you?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Yeah, but the film also makes a point with Homegrown,
like a lot of these people aren't consciously being like
I want to join a white supremacive thing, and like
a lot of them are just lonely and they're seeking buddies.
And you know, the Proud Boys, they're holding a lot
of like tailgating style activities, so they are they are
attracting people to these social events. And then you know,
(13:35):
the first luring them in that way, And the first.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
One I can think of was Enrigatario from the Proud Boys.
And I think he was even involved with January sixth, sure.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
It was, Oh yeah, absolutely was. Yeah. He wasn't in
DC on January six because he had been caught the
day before and thrown out of DC and told he
could not return to DC, but he was there to
organize it and plan everything the day before. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Well.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
That was also in that documentary, Right, is that the
Max the documentary and Max, I don't know where it's
being shown.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
I know it was was in the theaters in New
York in December, so oh this past December. Oh okay, okay,
never mind, I am thinking about another one. Yeah, I
know we're all in a bit of a state of shock,
but I also, Oh, I just.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Was wondering, if you want to make this personal. Have
we seen shifts within our own families? Yes, I already
said I have, And let's just say I had a
wonderful time on nocheving on Christmas Eve celebrating with just
my siblings and my partner. I have, you know, no
(14:51):
interest really in sort of socializing with any family right
that has shown this right word shift. And I think
the reason why I'm taking this personally is not just
because of what it will mean for me and my
small family, but it's also because I thought we had
(15:11):
a good and open relationship where we could talk about
things right, and where if they had any doubts or
needed more information or just wanted to talk about something right,
that we could and again right like, I also feel
like I've reached out even before the election to just
kind of check in on people and just be like, hey,
how are you doing? Is everything okay? And this was
(15:32):
never a conversation, and so yeah, so I was blindsided
and so I literally just kind of like, you know what, No,
I don't have I don't need to do. I don't
need to do any of that. And then like the
way that they're behaving about it is as if as
if they have done nothing wrong. And I'm like I
had to sit here and think about you. I had
to sit here and help raise you. I had to
(15:53):
sit here and consider you know, your children, who are girls,
right and their future, and literally you couldn't even give
me the most minimal consideration knowing what these people say, right,
I think what you're talking about, LGBTQ.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
It's enough family member I met at your going away party.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yes, yeah lgbt Q, I a and even you know
people with I guess with different immigration situations. So so yeah,
I have I have taken it personally, and I'm just
kind of like, in order to preserve my mental health
and we'll talk about this later. Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Actually laughing, it's just I like reference to future.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, exactly, like you know, and this isn't like I
already have my you know, my my family and my core,
so you know, separating from you know, these few, I'm
just kind of like, it's not really much of a loss.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Yeah. I've noticed a similar shift among my more distant
Colombian relatives. I mean, Colombia's had an immigration crisis at
Venezuela and sneaking into the or you know, trying to
enter Columbia through through through the borders, and they see
a similarity with the US Mexico quote unquote border crisis,
and you know, there're a lot of similar talk of like,
(17:10):
you know, our borders are under attack, we need somebody
who can control it. And interestingly enough, when the current president,
Columbian President Petro got elected, they were talking among themselves
with like, oh, no, Columbia is going to become like Venezuela.
And it's like, guys, it's it's not going to be that.
If this is simple, you know. But yeah, I mean
the people were really concerned about that, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And yeah, and I think I would say, and I
don't have much data, so this is just a hunch.
I think that the whole ridiculous thing about Haitians eating
dogs right and people's pets was definitely something that. I
think when Dominicans, especially those who are not as informed
of who are ready predisposed to certain prejudices, has heard it,
(17:54):
they must have been like, oh, yeah, that's what they do. Yeah,
that's what they do. Because the whole talk and I
think I've spoken about this before in previous seasons in
the Dominican Republic. You know, Haitians are evil, They're they're
here to take jobs. They want to take our land
back and you'll see, you know, they want to pick
up guns and take over the Dominican Republic again. And
(18:17):
I'm literally just like, with what army? Right? And I'm
not saying that to be sarcastic. I literally just no,
I really want to understand with what army do you
think that dispossessed you know, Haitian Dominican Haitians or Haitian
Dominicans or Haitians living in the Dominican Republic are going
to organize in any way, shape or form to overthrow
(18:38):
the government. Like like, I literally want to understand that.
And I'm like, and I'm not trying to sit here
and think that the United States is going to defend everyone.
And I think I've spoken about how you know, we
have an army, and we have a navy where we
have like one boat, and like you know in air
force where we have like two helicopters from like nineteen
fifty and like you know, one or two planes. I'm
(18:59):
not even joking, but like, but literally, I'm also just
kind of like, but even if it came to that, right, like,
we are in a much better position than you know,
the Haitian government or any Haitian Dominicans or Dominican Haitians
or Haitians living in Amica Republic you know, have So
but I do think that that really that struck a
(19:20):
chord with with a lot of Dominicans who are already
predisposed to these anti Haitian prejudices discrimination, racism.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I agree, And I think there goes across the board.
There's this them versus us this otherness that can be
pretty Again, yes, this was targeted that that specific example
was targeted at Haitians in Ohio, I believe. But I
think that that does contribute to very much like a
hierarchy of even amongst voters like us versus them, Like
(19:55):
I have to separate from that, so therefore I could
vote against my own best interest to separate that, which
there's levels to that, there's levels to that one.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
But I think the media also really just sort of
added another complicated layer to this, and I mean I
mean the mainstream media, because it just seemed like they
were never talking about issues directly, right, And it also
just kind of seemed and this like this is what
(20:27):
I say, right, Like, I'm just like, oh, so you
guys were literally just making sure we were all diluted
into thinking that there was even a chance right at
at any point. And this is one of the reasons
why a lot of the mainstream networks I've lost literally
like like half of their viewership since the election, because
it's literally just like, well, none of you were telling
(20:48):
the truth. All of you were sitting here like bs
ing and all of you were sitting here essentially just
being dishonest about what was actually happening on the ground, right,
And I have to push back, Okay, please please please
go ahead. Okay, no, Edward, No, I appreciate it. I'm
I'm an.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
NBC News employee, you know, not directly involved with the broadcast,
but I mean reporters are on the ground. They're trying
to you know, they're trying to figure out the situations.
You know, yes, they relied someone on the polls, that
you can, but you know, they weren't solely relying on
the polls. There were certainly a lot of reporters looking
(21:26):
into the Latino communities and seeing what they were talking about,
and they were noticing you know, these general the right
wing trend, which even if itself is kind of too general.
But you know, I mean there's yeah, I think there's
the problem is people are conflate reporting with pundits, and
(21:46):
people think that pundits are quote unquote the mainstream media.
But there's also I mean, it includes a lot of
reporters who are honestly just trying to find the truth.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
You're absolutely correct Edward, and so I stand corrected. Yes,
I didn't mean reporters. You're absolutely right. It was the pundits.
It was everybody. It was a talking heads. You're correct.
So I apologize for that, but thank you for that.
But it also just kind of feels like in some
of the independent media, like some of the lefty podcasts
that I was listening to, even they were more realistic,
(22:17):
there were times when there's just one particular person one day,
I hope he's a guest on our show who was realistic.
He was kind of like, it's looking good based on
the polls, and then he's just like, but let's look
at the other side and you know what may be happening,
you know, within the numbers. And I really appreciated that honesty.
And he would even say, like I've gotten, you know,
(22:38):
feedback from some of my viewers or listeners that they
don't want to hear this, that they're like, you know,
why are you being so negative?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And it's just like, I've never understood that concept of
I just need I just want to hear what I
want to hear. I listen. If you were to go
on my feed, which I'm not on social media a lot,
but like when you go on my feed, if you
were to go through my follower list, you might be
damn well confused because I follow people that I agree
with and people I don't agree with. Not necessarily that
(23:04):
I'm confused so much as like I need to know
what the other side is saying, not what my side
is quoting the other or reporting as the other side
is saying. Yep, So because if I don't if I
don't see the content as it is being presented from
the other side, then how can I actually judge it
and debunk it A paraphrase, It's like it's also people
that I'm sorry, but even in general, like with policy,
(23:27):
like did you actually read the bill or did you
just read with Huffington Post told you it's a right,
Like I'm sorry, Like, yes, I'm not. You may not
have the time to read the whole thing, but then
you don't have time to have an opinion on it
than you like, sorry, don't you don't agreed with you?
So like for example, I do I agree with RFK Junior?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Do I follow him? Yeah? Because guess what he also
impacted what was going on. He has a platform that
people are listening to, whether for better or for worse.
So I don't know. I feel like that's I mean,
every I guess everyone has their own bandwidth and like
you know, emotional availability to content that may upset them
or not upset them.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
But you're really in echo chamber.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
You can't. We can't be doing this echo chamber. We
can't be living in an echo chamber. We can't. You
don't have to agree with the other side. Ninety percent
of the time I am unchanged.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
But you have to be aware.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You do have to be aware of all times it
could bother you. It could bother you. You can learn to
be uncomfortable, and that's I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
You can be learned that society is moving so far
away from like you have to be comfortable with being uncomfortable. Yes, yeah,
absolutely adapt And no one wants to hear it that
you don't want to be in because that's life and
it's how you learn and how you grow. Even if
you don't want to hear it, you still should hear
it exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I mean, do you have to agree with you? Do
you have to change your opinion? Do you have to
equate the quality of the opinion? No, you don't, but
you should least know what it says. What favors are
you doing yourself? Oh? I understand the other side that
I refuse to read on because it bothers me. I'm sorry,
Like this is why we lose. I'm sorry, Like that's
how that's how we can lose sometimes with that, this
(25:11):
is why we can't have nice things. I'm sorry, but
that Sometimes I think the voters are really misinformed and
they willfully go into that, they willfully pursue not being
informed enough because they don't want to be uncomfortable. They
don't want to be uncomfortable with several things, and even
people that are criticizing certain things in the left, Listen,
(25:32):
all sides can be open for criticism, Okay at any
given point. No one is a different like, no one
is exempt from that. But people that just don't want
to hear criticisms of their sites, like well, how are
you going to learn at any point, like there were
mistakes that were made. I mean, I personally this is
different separating from the topic of Latinos and whiteness, but
(25:53):
I also believe that this campaign didn't have a chance,
didn't have a chance and have an absolute chance with
one hundred days before the election, we have to win
over a whole party. But that all being said, that's
a that's a that's past the Latinos. I think we
I think these conversations are important and I think that
(26:16):
the results of the election. The reason we're talking about
on this podcast is we talked about Latini Dad. We
talk about our views of Latini Dad, what it represents
to us, our history, where we're going with it with citizenship,
or where we're going with it looking into the past,
the history, certain countries' histories that we're going to focus
on heavily, et cetera. Like there's so much to say
(26:36):
about Latinidad that we're not all the same at the
same time, if there is a social change or movement within,
how we're being looped in, Like we should be paying
attention to this, Like how are attitudes changing that are
impacting voters, How.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Are those those opinions changing and people's countries back home,
like Panama still a very progressive country, but if you
compare that to how Colombia is currently voting, how Argentina
is currently voting, Like who are these people speaking to
in their own homes and what are they hearing and
what are those influences going between the two nations of
(27:13):
the political sway happening, Like, oh, back home, these things
are happening. And back home, the you know, the left door,
the liberals did this to our nation. And these are
the stories I'm hearing from aunts and cousins and brothers
and sisters who are still there. And then they're taking
those same perspectives and applying them to the US, even
though these are two different situations and you can't it's
(27:34):
I don't always apples to oranges, but that same influence
is being, you know, perpetrated from there to here, and
so it is you have to look at the wider
scope of what's happening and who's getting influence from where,
and what the opinions are growing across the borders of
home and back home.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Sorry, guys, my back was trying to give out, So
I'm just standing. And the last thing I have is
just that I have a family member that did not
vote for Trump in this election, yet will defend benelovant
leaders who are or are pretty problematic in their own right
in Latin America. In my family would be bo Kelly.
(28:12):
They may hate Trump, they love Bukelly. And if you
really were to unpack bo Kelly's policies, not always so benevolent.
But but why do people like him so much? Because overall,
regardless of what you think of how he hands crime
and punishment, the prisons that are down there that are
(28:34):
that are really bad, people going missing once a day.
At the same time, Google moved down there, Cryptocurrency is
up and booming down there, Tourism is up the US
like whatever, you couldn't name, all these things that are
getting better with Alsavador, and then you could say, well,
maybe the ends justify the means. So if you apply
that same psychology to another nation, it could very well
(28:57):
be an exaggerated version of that. Exactly, a very exaggerated version.
That's all I got.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
You do.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
You do is a good point, though, because we talk
a lot about the past and now we're considering the future.
I mean, at this point, Latinos are one fifth of
the voting population, so it's just ridiculous to be saying
Latino voters like like their one group and the fact
is one fifth of the population that's like it contains
a lot of diversity. So you know, right, unpack that.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Well, actually, maybe two years to to the midterms.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Let us hope it is only single digit years and
not anything longer.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
You know, I have to say, I mean, that's going
on a whole other tangent. But technically, the incoming president
could only serve four years unless he tries to change
something in the constitution where he can add another term.
But if he were to do that, for a sitting
president to go beyond the two terms, that opens up
former presidents as well. George W. Bush doesn't have any
interest in running for president again. I don't think Bill
(29:59):
Clinton does either, very comfortable. The only person, the only
person that really would at this point will probably be Obama.
And I don't think Trump wants run against Obama.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I don't think so either.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
But yeah, all that being said, these are all just
like comments in the wind, So this isn't on. This
is just an observation that I think that our listeners
are probably having internally. So we're just bringing an outward
in this podcast as we discuss Latini Dad even in voting.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Yeah, yeah, we housekeeping.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (01:03):
Welcome back everyone. This is season six, episode seven of
Rediscovering Latini Dad. My name is Brian Rose.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Hey, I'm Edward, I'm Faustal, and I'm Lisa.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And today we are going to be talking about Latinos voting,
the proximity to witness.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Latinos voting, the voting. What does that mean exactly? What
do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
What do I mean by that, because there's been I
don't know if that's going to be the official title.
This is just a general overview title.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Okay, okay, wondering where this discussion is going to go.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
This discussion is going to be the fact that we
were surprised by the numbers of the turnout, especially what
was promised with the deportation and immigration, and so that
there are we were very surprised about the statistics. I
was reading statistics all the way up until the day
of the election, where it was supposed to be like
sixty two percent Harris in the Latino population that does
(02:02):
not show up. It literally was reversed. It was literally
first like by a couple bud just by a couple
of points. And I actually I was talking to one
of my friends about this, who is not Latino but
has opinions on things. I say that with some jest.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Oh boy, and.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
The there are articles that are being written now that
even people who are undocumented said that if they could
have voted, they would have voted for Trump. That make
that make sense? And I I sit there and I
wonder why, what what would that makes? That is the
absence of logic in my point in my opinion, however,
(02:45):
there seems to be a if I vote for this,
then I'll be protected, right mindset, and that's not how
this works.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
But also I haven't been watching the civil rights documentaries.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
But that all being said, there's also I don't know.
I'm also I'm pretty sassy, and I think that there's
a little bit of a more of Latino like Latinos
in the US versus undocumented. But there's a little bit
of a fu I got mine, So that's where that's it.
(03:17):
But it sounds like economic concerns.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Were at the top of the priority for.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Why things happen the way they did. So let me
just ask. I mean, all of us must have been
sitting here besides maybe being numb and going back and
forth between them and angry. But what we're seeing presented
to us out here as the result of all of this,
after the whole history of the United States, with our
immigration and deportation, how did it get like this? Why
(03:45):
is why did Latinos show up in this capacity to
vote in this way. Now, I'm not to say that
we are a monolith that we all believe things the
same way. That's not it. But again, if it seems
to be voting in against the best interest. It's we're
just trying to unpack, like why in the identity, like
if we're not valued as people or birthright citizenship maybe removed?
(04:11):
Like where is this serving you? Sorry, these are just
questions being put there. But he Donald Trump actually achieved
a record share of votes from the Latinos.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
You mean for a Republican or Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I don't think they separated by party. I think they
just played.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Okay, nobody was a record showing for a Republican Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
But yeah, but I don't know how those Latinos were registered.
They could have been registered as Democrats, who.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Just oh yeah, no, no, no. But what I'm I guess.
What I'm trying to say is, like I guess, compared
to the share of the Latino vote that other Republican
candidates have received, Donald Trump got one of the one
of the largest, if not the largest, in the last
like something like twenty or thirty years. I think, like
even more than George w. And there were a lot
(04:58):
of Latinos that supported.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
He was for his time, for the time he was
in he was actually seen as pro Latino. I think
he had the first Latino Attorney general if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And part of his family is also.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Laura Bush, right, because Laura Bush.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Is probably no, no, no, I think his brother married a Mexican.
Oh okay, yeah, And so I remember during those campaigns, Lord,
I can remember that far that he would bring out
his Mexican family, and I was just kind of like, oh,
this is interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Trump won forty seven percent of votes among Latino men
in this election back in twenty sixteen, only twenty eight
twenty twenty thirty two percent, And I guess I just
have a hard time wrapping my head around this. Although again,
we're not a monolith.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
It's it's it's it's it's a multi faceted issue here, right,
And there's not one I guess over arching ends her.
It's it's a whole bunch of little things that I
think led to this, including you know, I spoke in
a previous episode about Ni visiong taking a right word
shift right over the last twenty some odd years, I think,
(06:16):
in addition, right like, so, okay, So I also heard
a statistic and I'm sorry I don't have it right
now but in front of me right now, but I
heard it the statistic that said that something.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Never mind, well, there's just in my mind, there's apparently
a thin, cold whiteness as an ideology, and you don't
see it as a skin color or racial classification so
much as something to aspire to.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
There's a book by David Rudiger from like the eighties,
I think it's called Working Towards Whiteness, and it's about
how all of the immigrant populations the European like Eastern
European groups and Southern European groups, who before whiteness was
Anglo Saxons, and if you were Hungarian you weren't white,
(07:01):
and if you were in Italian you were white, and
how you Irish you were and white, and how that
has changed over the course of the twentieth century. So
we're probably seeing like a similarity in how the perspective
of who qualifies as quote unquote white exists now in
the twenty first century. David rudegerve the kids name is.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I mean, I was going to say, I can see that,
But again I also feel like, at least in this situation,
there were a lot of manufactured opinions because again from
the people who I was surprised to hear, right, voted
or would have voted, you know, for the current administration.
It didn't seem like they had like original opinions or
(07:40):
right or fully foreigned opinions. It really just sounded like
they were parroting things that they had heard on Fox
News or a whole bunch of smaller independent podcasts. There's
a Dominican podcast. I am not going to mention his name,
so it's not to give it any more publicity, even
though you know, we don't have now as many listeners
(08:00):
as they do yet. But again, right, like there there
was this demonization, this villainization of immigrants and immigration, and
there was and again there's been this sort of like
consistent drumming about being afraid of the people who are
coming across the border seeking for you know, seeking asylum. Right.
(08:23):
I think that in New York City in particular, because
I think we also saw quite a right word shift
in New York City, like a start one, right, And
that's something that when it started happening, I even was
just kind of like, oh, this is not good. And
it did feel like the Biden administration was doing nothing
right to assist the cities, to give additional you know,
(08:48):
funding resources or right to try to ameliorate the situation.
It just kind of felt like the response was too
slow and then too little, too late. By by then
there are other ideas that I have that will becoming
to mind as you guys speak as well, So I'll
interrupt y'ell. But Edward, I think had you had a
(09:08):
point to make? Yeah, well, so talking about you know
this thing about whiteness quote unquote. So I'd seen a
recent documentary, Homegrown. It was released last year, directed by
Michael Primo, and it follows two Proud Boys and one
aspiring prow Boy. But the Proud Boys being this all
(09:31):
male group, some people consider them to be white supremacists.
But their point is they're they're they're kind of like
they're they're mobilized. They they target their enemies as quote
unquote Antifa, and they're willing to fight them if need be,
or or at the very least have a presence and
threatened people. A lot of them became involved in.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
The January sixth insurrection. Who knows if by the time
this is being aired in March, if they've all been
part of But yeah, so what's interesting is one of
the well, first off, the Proud Boys chairman for three
years was a Latino and Enrique Tharrio. They're also in
the film. There's a character Thad CIEs Naros. He's he's
(10:17):
a Latino man from South Texas, a Navy vet, and yeah,
they're they're really involved in this Proud Boys organization. And
the way that Fad would introduce himself, he would say,
I am a Western chauvinist, and it was the thought of,
you know, the US is part of the quote unquote West.
(10:37):
The West is what's created modern civilizations, supposedly in all
of its glories. So like that's that's how they could argue,
like despite not being white, they could still be part
of this group that people are viewing as like, you know,
white supremacist, and they're saying, well, we're we're Western chauvinists,
not racist.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yes, I just saw sign where they were wearing that
Western chauvinist mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Also too, it's interesting there's a whole legacy of in
Latin America thanks to the US, there was a big
fight against communism, and so a lot of the you know, Antifa,
they're claiming that they're you know, promoting communism versus the
glories of the West to the point that the Proud
(11:25):
Boys have this shirt. Pinochet did nothing wrong because he
was stronghold in the fight against communism. There's like a
meme that they love to share about free helicopter rides
for the for their opponents, because Pinochet would choish opponents
out of helicopters. So there's a Latin American you know,
(11:49):
legacy of adoring authoritarianism, this fight against communism, which was
fueled a lot by the US, both through direct intervention
and then you know, training strong men through I believe
it's the School of the Americas and in Fort Benning, Georgia.
So yeah, it's Latin America has this long history of.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well also just in the US socialism there there was
a larger percentage of men, Latino men, men in general,
but including Latino men that returned to church. And that's
not necessarily a bad thing, but they were returning more
to the conservative principles there where they felt most aligned.
(12:33):
Non Latino men, but men were actually going to Eastern
Orthodox churches in pretty big droves. Yeah, okay, that was
a thing. So yeah, because they love how strict and male.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
So that's what I was going to say. So it's
not about the theology, and it's not about you know,
loving your neighbor and what that Christianity actually represents. It's
about dominance over women.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Right, If you align yourself with the natural order of
the dominant force racially genderwise, where is it going to
lead you?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Yeah, but the film also makes a point with Homegrown,
like a lot of these people aren't consciously being like
I want to join a white supremacive thing, and like
a lot of them are just lonely and they're seeking buddies.
And you know, the Proud Boys, they're holding a lot
of like tailgating style activities, so they are they are
attracting people to these social events. And then you know,
(13:35):
the first luring them in that way, And the first.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
One I can think of was Enrigatario from the Proud Boys.
And I think he was even involved with January sixth, sure.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
It was, Oh yeah, absolutely was. Yeah. He wasn't in
DC on January six because he had been caught the
day before and thrown out of DC and told he
could not return to DC, but he was there to
organize it and plan everything the day before. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Well.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
That was also in that documentary, Right, is that the
Max the documentary and Max, I don't know where it's
being shown.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
I know it was was in the theaters in New
York in December, so oh this past December. Oh okay, okay,
never mind, I am thinking about another one. Yeah, I
know we're all in a bit of a state of shock,
but I also, Oh, I just.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Was wondering, if you want to make this personal. Have
we seen shifts within our own families? Yes, I already
said I have, And let's just say I had a
wonderful time on nocheving on Christmas Eve celebrating with just
my siblings and my partner. I have, you know, no
(14:51):
interest really in sort of socializing with any family right
that has shown this right word shift. And I think
the reason why I'm taking this personally is not just
because of what it will mean for me and my
small family, but it's also because I thought we had
(15:11):
a good and open relationship where we could talk about
things right, and where if they had any doubts or
needed more information or just wanted to talk about something right,
that we could and again right like, I also feel
like I've reached out even before the election to just
kind of check in on people and just be like, hey,
how are you doing? Is everything okay? And this was
(15:32):
never a conversation, and so yeah, so I was blindsided
and so I literally just kind of like, you know what, No,
I don't have I don't need to do. I don't
need to do any of that. And then like the
way that they're behaving about it is as if as
if they have done nothing wrong. And I'm like I
had to sit here and think about you. I had
to sit here and help raise you. I had to
(15:53):
sit here and consider you know, your children, who are girls,
right and their future, and literally you couldn't even give
me the most minimal consideration knowing what these people say, right,
I think what you're talking about, LGBTQ.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
It's enough family member I met at your going away party.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yes, yeah lgbt Q, I a and even you know
people with I guess with different immigration situations. So so yeah,
I have I have taken it personally, and I'm just
kind of like, in order to preserve my mental health
and we'll talk about this later. Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Actually laughing, it's just I like reference to future.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, exactly, like you know, and this isn't like I
already have my you know, my my family and my core,
so you know, separating from you know, these few, I'm
just kind of like, it's not really much of a loss.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Yeah. I've noticed a similar shift among my more distant
Colombian relatives. I mean, Colombia's had an immigration crisis at
Venezuela and sneaking into the or you know, trying to
enter Columbia through through through the borders, and they see
a similarity with the US Mexico quote unquote border crisis,
and you know, there're a lot of similar talk of like,
(17:10):
you know, our borders are under attack, we need somebody
who can control it. And interestingly enough, when the current president,
Columbian President Petro got elected, they were talking among themselves
with like, oh, no, Columbia is going to become like Venezuela.
And it's like, guys, it's it's not going to be that.
If this is simple, you know. But yeah, I mean
the people were really concerned about that, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And yeah, and I think I would say, and I
don't have much data, so this is just a hunch.
I think that the whole ridiculous thing about Haitians eating
dogs right and people's pets was definitely something that. I
think when Dominicans, especially those who are not as informed
of who are ready predisposed to certain prejudices, has heard it,
(17:54):
they must have been like, oh, yeah, that's what they do. Yeah,
that's what they do. Because the whole talk and I
think I've spoken about this before in previous seasons in
the Dominican Republic. You know, Haitians are evil, They're they're
here to take jobs. They want to take our land
back and you'll see, you know, they want to pick
up guns and take over the Dominican Republic again. And
(18:17):
I'm literally just like, with what army? Right? And I'm
not saying that to be sarcastic. I literally just no,
I really want to understand with what army do you
think that dispossessed you know, Haitian Dominican Haitians or Haitian
Dominicans or Haitians living in the Dominican Republic are going
to organize in any way, shape or form to overthrow
(18:38):
the government. Like like, I literally want to understand that.
And I'm like, and I'm not trying to sit here
and think that the United States is going to defend everyone.
And I think I've spoken about how you know, we
have an army, and we have a navy where we
have like one boat, and like you know in air
force where we have like two helicopters from like nineteen
fifty and like you know, one or two planes. I'm
(18:59):
not even joking, but like, but literally, I'm also just
kind of like, but even if it came to that, right, like,
we are in a much better position than you know,
the Haitian government or any Haitian Dominicans or Dominican Haitians
or Haitians living in Amica Republic you know, have So
but I do think that that really that struck a
(19:20):
chord with with a lot of Dominicans who are already
predisposed to these anti Haitian prejudices discrimination, racism.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I agree, And I think there goes across the board.
There's this them versus us this otherness that can be
pretty Again, yes, this was targeted that that specific example
was targeted at Haitians in Ohio, I believe. But I
think that that does contribute to very much like a
hierarchy of even amongst voters like us versus them, Like
(19:55):
I have to separate from that, so therefore I could
vote against my own best interest to separate that, which
there's levels to that, there's levels to that one.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
But I think the media also really just sort of
added another complicated layer to this, and I mean I
mean the mainstream media, because it just seemed like they
were never talking about issues directly, right, And it also
just kind of seemed and this like this is what
(20:27):
I say, right, Like, I'm just like, oh, so you
guys were literally just making sure we were all diluted
into thinking that there was even a chance right at
at any point. And this is one of the reasons
why a lot of the mainstream networks I've lost literally
like like half of their viewership since the election, because
it's literally just like, well, none of you were telling
(20:48):
the truth. All of you were sitting here like bs
ing and all of you were sitting here essentially just
being dishonest about what was actually happening on the ground, right,
And I have to push back, Okay, please please please
go ahead. Okay, no, Edward, No, I appreciate it. I'm
I'm an.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
NBC News employee, you know, not directly involved with the broadcast,
but I mean reporters are on the ground. They're trying
to you know, they're trying to figure out the situations.
You know, yes, they relied someone on the polls, that
you can, but you know, they weren't solely relying on
the polls. There were certainly a lot of reporters looking
(21:26):
into the Latino communities and seeing what they were talking about,
and they were noticing you know, these general the right
wing trend, which even if itself is kind of too general.
But you know, I mean there's yeah, I think there's
the problem is people are conflate reporting with pundits, and
(21:46):
people think that pundits are quote unquote the mainstream media.
But there's also I mean, it includes a lot of
reporters who are honestly just trying to find the truth.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
You're absolutely correct Edward, and so I stand corrected. Yes,
I didn't mean reporters. You're absolutely right. It was the pundits.
It was everybody. It was a talking heads. You're correct.
So I apologize for that, but thank you for that.
But it also just kind of feels like in some
of the independent media, like some of the lefty podcasts
that I was listening to, even they were more realistic,
(22:17):
there were times when there's just one particular person one day,
I hope he's a guest on our show who was realistic.
He was kind of like, it's looking good based on
the polls, and then he's just like, but let's look
at the other side and you know what may be happening,
you know, within the numbers. And I really appreciated that honesty.
And he would even say, like I've gotten, you know,
(22:38):
feedback from some of my viewers or listeners that they
don't want to hear this, that they're like, you know,
why are you being so negative?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And it's just like, I've never understood that concept of
I just need I just want to hear what I
want to hear. I listen. If you were to go
on my feed, which I'm not on social media a lot,
but like when you go on my feed, if you
were to go through my follower list, you might be
damn well confused because I follow people that I agree
with and people I don't agree with. Not necessarily that
(23:04):
I'm confused so much as like I need to know
what the other side is saying, not what my side
is quoting the other or reporting as the other side
is saying. Yep, So because if I don't if I
don't see the content as it is being presented from
the other side, then how can I actually judge it
and debunk it A paraphrase, It's like it's also people
that I'm sorry, but even in general, like with policy,
(23:27):
like did you actually read the bill or did you
just read with Huffington Post told you it's a right,
Like I'm sorry, Like, yes, I'm not. You may not
have the time to read the whole thing, but then
you don't have time to have an opinion on it
than you like, sorry, don't you don't agreed with you?
So like for example, I do I agree with RFK Junior?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Do I follow him? Yeah? Because guess what he also
impacted what was going on. He has a platform that
people are listening to, whether for better or for worse.
So I don't know. I feel like that's I mean,
every I guess everyone has their own bandwidth and like
you know, emotional availability to content that may upset them
or not upset them.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
But you're really in echo chamber.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
You can't. We can't be doing this echo chamber. We
can't be living in an echo chamber. We can't. You
don't have to agree with the other side. Ninety percent
of the time I am unchanged.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
But you have to be aware.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You do have to be aware of all times it
could bother you. It could bother you. You can learn to
be uncomfortable, and that's I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
You can be learned that society is moving so far
away from like you have to be comfortable with being uncomfortable. Yes, yeah,
absolutely adapt And no one wants to hear it that
you don't want to be in because that's life and
it's how you learn and how you grow. Even if
you don't want to hear it, you still should hear
it exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I mean, do you have to agree with you? Do
you have to change your opinion? Do you have to
equate the quality of the opinion? No, you don't, but
you should least know what it says. What favors are
you doing yourself? Oh? I understand the other side that
I refuse to read on because it bothers me. I'm sorry,
Like this is why we lose. I'm sorry, Like that's
how that's how we can lose sometimes with that, this
(25:11):
is why we can't have nice things. I'm sorry, but
that Sometimes I think the voters are really misinformed and
they willfully go into that, they willfully pursue not being
informed enough because they don't want to be uncomfortable. They
don't want to be uncomfortable with several things, and even
people that are criticizing certain things in the left, Listen,
(25:32):
all sides can be open for criticism, Okay at any
given point. No one is a different like, no one
is exempt from that. But people that just don't want
to hear criticisms of their sites, like well, how are
you going to learn at any point, like there were
mistakes that were made. I mean, I personally this is
different separating from the topic of Latinos and whiteness, but
(25:53):
I also believe that this campaign didn't have a chance,
didn't have a chance and have an absolute chance with
one hundred days before the election, we have to win
over a whole party. But that all being said, that's
a that's a that's past the Latinos. I think we
I think these conversations are important and I think that
(26:16):
the results of the election. The reason we're talking about
on this podcast is we talked about Latini Dad. We
talk about our views of Latini Dad, what it represents
to us, our history, where we're going with it with citizenship,
or where we're going with it looking into the past,
the history, certain countries' histories that we're going to focus
on heavily, et cetera. Like there's so much to say
(26:36):
about Latinidad that we're not all the same at the
same time, if there is a social change or movement within,
how we're being looped in, Like we should be paying
attention to this, Like how are attitudes changing that are
impacting voters, How.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Are those those opinions changing and people's countries back home,
like Panama still a very progressive country, but if you
compare that to how Colombia is currently voting, how Argentina
is currently voting, Like who are these people speaking to
in their own homes and what are they hearing and
what are those influences going between the two nations of
(27:13):
the political sway happening, Like, oh, back home, these things
are happening. And back home, the you know, the left door,
the liberals did this to our nation. And these are
the stories I'm hearing from aunts and cousins and brothers
and sisters who are still there. And then they're taking
those same perspectives and applying them to the US, even
though these are two different situations and you can't it's
(27:34):
I don't always apples to oranges, but that same influence
is being, you know, perpetrated from there to here, and
so it is you have to look at the wider
scope of what's happening and who's getting influence from where,
and what the opinions are growing across the borders of
home and back home.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Sorry, guys, my back was trying to give out, So
I'm just standing. And the last thing I have is
just that I have a family member that did not
vote for Trump in this election, yet will defend benelovant
leaders who are or are pretty problematic in their own right
in Latin America. In my family would be bo Kelly.
(28:12):
They may hate Trump, they love Bukelly. And if you
really were to unpack bo Kelly's policies, not always so benevolent.
But but why do people like him so much? Because overall,
regardless of what you think of how he hands crime
and punishment, the prisons that are down there that are
(28:34):
that are really bad, people going missing once a day.
At the same time, Google moved down there, Cryptocurrency is
up and booming down there, Tourism is up the US
like whatever, you couldn't name, all these things that are
getting better with Alsavador, and then you could say, well,
maybe the ends justify the means. So if you apply
that same psychology to another nation, it could very well
(28:57):
be an exaggerated version of that. Exactly, a very exaggerated version.
That's all I got.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
You do.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
You do is a good point, though, because we talk
a lot about the past and now we're considering the future.
I mean, at this point, Latinos are one fifth of
the voting population, so it's just ridiculous to be saying
Latino voters like like their one group and the fact
is one fifth of the population that's like it contains
a lot of diversity. So you know, right, unpack that.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Well, actually, maybe two years to to the midterms.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Let us hope it is only single digit years and
not anything longer.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
You know, I have to say, I mean, that's going
on a whole other tangent. But technically, the incoming president
could only serve four years unless he tries to change
something in the constitution where he can add another term.
But if he were to do that, for a sitting
president to go beyond the two terms, that opens up
former presidents as well. George W. Bush doesn't have any
interest in running for president again. I don't think Bill
(29:59):
Clinton does either, very comfortable. The only person, the only
person that really would at this point will probably be Obama.
And I don't think Trump wants run against Obama.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I don't think so either.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
But yeah, all that being said, these are all just
like comments in the wind, So this isn't on. This
is just an observation that I think that our listeners
are probably having internally. So we're just bringing an outward
in this podcast as we discuss Latini Dad even in voting.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Yeah, yeah, we housekeeping.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
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Speaker 5 (31:09):
We are so tired, So next week we are going
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Speaker 3 (31:15):
I need some help. Chat Gypt is here.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
CHATCHYPT gave us a whole bunch of genealogy questions and
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