Rediscovering Latinidad Season 6 Episode 9 El Crimen Real: El Chapo y Kate Del Castillo

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Dear listeners, we are excited to have you join us
for another season of rediscovering Latini Dan. We hope you
enjoy this sixth season as we port a tremendous amount
of time, research, and loyalty into our episodes. We also
know that these are unprecedented times, and then many of
our listeners or their family members may be living in
fear and certainly anger about the recent developments with immigration, deportation,

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and birthright citizenship. We hold space for all of the
emotions here, and we hope the information we provide you
will help you not only in your journey to discovering
your ancestors, but also leading you to documentation that may
secure your safety. We will list all resources in the
show notes and update them as we uncover more. Now,
we hope you enjoy this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Hey everyone, we hope you enjoyed this episode. We were
about to hear the true crime episode out of Chapel
and before the episode, we wanted to give some updates
to our listeners because a few things have happened since
we recorded these episodes before the inauguration. But first and foremost, it.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Is a very unusual season where we had a lot
of updates.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yes, it although we tried to record as soon as
soon as we could all together before the season launched
in February. It is amazing how much could change in
just a matter of days, let alone a month. So
the most recent news as of just a few days ago,

(01:45):
we all learned that you'll on the south of our
Selena Keithania, but as his murderer was not granted parole,
so she has to wait another five years to appeal
to the parole board. This announcement was made by Chris
President the anthony A Family. Everyone is overjoyed. I have
some dark jokes that I'll keep to myself.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
For now, but.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
I think there is if there's one thing that can
bring Latinos together right now, it is celebration of her
staying behind bars.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Right I to agree with that one. Yeahs at least
twenty twenty five didn't give us that. Yeah, that would
have broken us all. I think.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
That really would have That really would have guys. Although,
and I'm not making a joke here, there really.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Is still a bounty on her. And I maintained what
I said during our episode season season five no Season four,
when we had our true crime episode on Selena. She
is safer behind bars because she is in solitary confinement.
They literally cannot release her into Gen Pop because she
has a bounty on her head to this day.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
That being said, so, on another note, there's a new
documentary out about Selena which played in Sundance. It's called
Selena Elostino's and.

Speaker 6 (03:05):
They had to pullet from the digital platform because people
kept sharing spoilers and sharing their links when they weren't
supposed to.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Oh, okay, so we can't watch it online now.

Speaker 6 (03:17):
Not yet. I'm not sure when it's coming out, but
I know it had debuted like digitally prior to like
an exclusive screening, like people could buy digital tickets to
watch it. And they're like, yeah, we can't do this
because people are out here spoiling the hell out of it.
But apparently, I mean, the.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Dark joke is what's the spoiler of the Selena to.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
In Business News, though, twenty three and Me has had
some more shifts, more jobs. In fact, we were discussing
this right before the recording, but earlier this week twenty
three users were told to delete their data and that
they were filing for bankruptcy. However, Melissa had an update
that I did not know, Calyssa, would you like to

(04:05):
provide more information on that.

Speaker 6 (04:06):
No, apparently, I mean, this is all still happening in
real time, so we're not one hundred percent sure of
what is going to happen. But the CEO who stepped down,
the reason why she did step down is so that
she would be able to purchase the company as a
private investor, and she cannot do that if she's still

(04:26):
currently with the company. So this was kind of like
a plan to I will step down and then as
an independent person, I will be able to purchase the
company because I can't be currently affiliated if I put
in a bid to buy. So it may all wash
out in the end that nothing will change and it'll
go back to its original model. The one who said
to delete your information, I think is the California California attorney,

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not anyone connected directly with twenty three and me. So
it is not directly from the company saying hey, we
don't know what's going to happen. This is all still
you know, ready information, So it may turn out fine.
So you may wish to wait and hear what happens
next before you, you know, delete your info. And the
like crap. I really could have used some of that

(05:13):
information later on down the line. But just be cautious
before you make any decisions with your DNA on twenty three.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
And me, right, because of course, when somebody buys a
company any on Musk and Twitter, you know, the rules
can change with work. It was a big moment when
X suddenly change in terms of services that anything you
posted on the platform, it would be used to teach
its ai and before you could opt out, and X

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was just like, oh, forget it. So, you know, I'm
a little skeptical just because the twenty three and ME
board of directors forced her to resign, I thought, so,
I don't know if they're going to welcome her back.
But yeah, I mean, I'm.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
Sorry, Edward. I thought it was the other way around.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
I thought all of the boarder directors resigned from twenty two.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
You're you're right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Adam, only I am the only co host here who
has not done twenty three ae meys, So please just
take my anecdotes with a great assault. I don't know
the website very well. I don't know that stuff very well, so.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
But I swore that that was the thing that the
board of directors all resigned anyway, So in.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
Any case, it's going to take a while. Like your
DNA is not going to be in you know, jeopardy tomorrow,
this is going to take weeks and months, potentially years.
Like there's no rush, you can you have time to
even if they were to say, hey, we're selling it,
you do have a little bit of time to make
your decision with caution.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Whatever you do. There are deadlines. The deadline for off
for sale offerings is May seventh, and then I guess
the ruling is going to be in June is to
hold buy it. So you know, you have a little
bit of time. As you're listening to it, I personally
am going to try to download my data and then yeah,

(07:02):
I'm going to delete it. I'm not gonna risk whoever's
going to buy it, but that's just me and for
our listeners, I'm gonna just briefly bring up there's several
things that you can do. You can opt to have
your saliva sample in DNA just not stored anymore and
to have it destroyed. That's under preferences. You can also

(07:24):
revoke permission for your genetic data to be used for research.
That's under research and product consents. And then yeah you
can as soon as you choose to delete your data,
you can't download it. So you know, I requested to
download a few days ago. It's still being processed. But yeah,
once you delete, you can't go back. And those were

(07:46):
two of the things that I that I actually did
from the very beginning was have that destroy the sample
or at the very least, requests that they destroy the
sample right and opt out of any other sort of
survey or data gathering that you know that they permitted
us to opt out of. So the very least is

(08:06):
that sort of like made me feel a little bit
better about it at the beginning. But again, as I
expressed in our episode, right like, I mean, they have
our DNA, so you know, I came to terms with
that when I first decided to have the test done.
But yeah, all things to really.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Consider, I just wanted to pivot from one for one second,
from twenty three and me.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
Someone brought up May seventh, and.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
This is a reminder to our listeners that by May seventh,
you need to upgrade your state your federal ID to
the real ID or the enhanced ID, or else you
are not traveling domestically without a passport, without a passport, or.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Being let into any federal facilities.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
So please listener. May seventh, Okay, you go party for.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Single to Mayo, and then by hopefully two days later,
you'll have your stuff lined up. And I am actually
currently in the process of doing that because my license
was up for renewal and when I went I wanted
to upgrade to enhanced, and they said bring either a
W two or your Social Security card. I could not

(09:14):
find my Soial Security card. I said, fine, I am
my W two, Except my W two only shows four
of my Social Security digits, so I have to go
through the whole process with SOCI Security to get the
card to then bring it back and start.

Speaker 6 (09:26):
It all over again.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
I'm just ranting on that, but just so you know,
my experience cannot be an exception. I'm sure a lot
of people will be going through the same thing. So
try to get your ducks in a row. Just saying,
get your IDs, get more identification, get everything all lined up.
You don't want to be in a situation where you
need to travel and you can.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
I'm going to predict let's see if it happens. I mean,
just given how everything else goes this year, Right, let's
say May six or seventh or eighth, there's going to
be like some judge that rules something that's going to
push back. I just feel it. That's how it's going
to be, just because everything has become a judge ruling
then overturns it. But I don't know, but you should

(10:08):
still not bank on that. You know, may that several times, right,
They've pushed it back several times, so I don't know
if they would one more time. But that's an interesting consideration. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
I mean also, I can't bank on that because like
it literally was aspirings before for me, so it's like.

Speaker 7 (10:30):
A well I already have to do it then anyways,
And I actually was going to say, Brier, maybe you
should go and do this before the sink of the Mayo.
So that, yeah, three weeks to receive by mail, so yes,
do it do it well in advanced.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Because my appointment was March twenty seventh, where I was
rejected because of that so security number issue.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
I am now going.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
Through the process of you cannot just make an appointment
at a Social Security office.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
You have to actually apply.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
You actually they force you to actually go through a
little quiz on the soci Security website to apply to
see if you can get a copy mailed to you.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
You can't just make an appointment by yourself.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
I mean maybe you could call I don't know, but
the whole online you can't just make an appointment by yourself.
You have to go through that process where they don't
want to deal with you and want to see if
you can get approved for online.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
Now, once you go through the.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Whole application to try to qualify for them to mail
it to you, you then have to wait five to
seven business dates for their decision of whether or not
you can get one mailed to you, and then you
have to wait up to fourteen days for that thing
to arrive if you are approved. If you are not approved,
you have to then make an appointment at the office. However,
if you are getting a sold security card for a minor,

(11:50):
like I am also just doing because why the if
not because I never want to deal with this again,
at that point you actually do have to bring in
the documentation and make an appointment at the Social Security office,
bring in that minors passport or whatever else they need.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
Not that I'm salty or anything.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
Guys, happens to the best of us. My brother went
to the exact same thing two months ago, so I
feel your pain.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
I worked in nonprofit, so did Fausto, and I am
heavily familiar. And I also work in the contract sector
of the private private sector, and red tape is something
I'm very familiar with, and it does not get less
agitating when it's personal.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
It does not.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
That being said, speaking of red tape and new updates,
I hand this over to our co host Falsto.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
I am so happy and proud to announce you all
that I am officially a Dominican citizen. So I recently
traveled back to the Dominican Republic and ordered to go
pick up my dog. That is another episode for another day.
But while I was there, I took advantage and secured

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a couple of copies of my birth certificate and and
then again right like claimed my my Dominican citizenship by
acquiring my celula. So which is the national I d
and I think is also a word use throughout.

Speaker 6 (13:20):
The Anima as well. They use it everywhere I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Okay, there you go, and I believe in Spain as well,
it's also called the selula or you know kind that
or whatever. But it was, you know, it was quite
an experience. When I initially my parents about it right
before I left, I think they were kind of like,
why do you want to claim you know, like your

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why do you want to Saylula? And so, you know,
I just sort of like reasoned with them. I mean,
number one, it's my birthright right literally, and you know,
number two, it does grant you, you know, certain privileges
as a Dominican citizenship, especially with like legal and business matters.
And then given that they are you know a little

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bit on the on the older side, I'm trying to
convince them to plan, you know, for when they will
no longer be here, and you know, we have to
manage their their interests and so so yeah, so it
was it was quite an interesting experience. So we we
went first to the OFFICIALIA Central, which isn't in like

(14:27):
a fancy government building or anything. It was literally like
just like this whole in the wall on some like
random building on just some random street. Anyway, So I
get there. It was in the afternoon, so they were
getting ready to close it around for but they asked me,

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so I went there with my American passport. My last
name did change a few years ago because of marriage,
and so I did let them, I did let them
know that, but they asked me to bring in two
copies of my parents. Both of my parents said the
last and so I also brought copies of my marriage certificate,

(15:09):
just as proof you know who I am and that
my last name changed to my current name, and they
began the process for me. And again, because it was
the towards the end of the day, I couldn't complete
it all in one day. Theoretically I could have. So
I did have to return to and I can't remember.
I think it was a junta, Junta CenTra, Junta electoral,

(15:36):
if I'm not mistaken, which is where I was able
to apply for the card. So I went there. They
you know, take your they review your documents, you know,
make sure everything's in order, take your fingerprints, like literally
all ten of them, not just the thumb fingerprints, photograph
and then I guess I was sort of like what

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conditionally approved, proved, and so they gave me some paperwork
and I had to go back to the officelia and
I guess get it validated. And so while I was there,
I was able to get the copies of my birth
certificates as well. So then I had to go back
to the Junta sent Electoral with this I don't know,

(16:20):
validated document, I can't remember what it was called. And
again they took my fingerprints one more time, took my
pictures again, and then I was asked to have an interview.
And so you know, I was being interviewed by this
gentleman who was incredibly helpful, who asked me all the

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questions about all of my name and all of my information.
And so his first question, I guess when they started
the interviewing process was why I hadn't claimed my Dominican
citizenship before, right, and why I'm just claiming it now
I am forty one. And I think he said I
could have gotten acedula when I was sixteen, and I

(17:04):
had to travel back and forth, you know, between here
and the Dominican Republic, between the States and the Dominican
Republic often, you know, to visit family on vacation. I
went to study there one time as well. Yeah, didn't
you want to take several vacation days and do this
process right? Exactly? Right? Like, yeah, sure everyone wanted to
do this, but anyway, but I did let them know, like, hey,

(17:25):
you know, my parents are getting older. We just want
to make sure that we can manage their affairs. And
so he was just like, oh, legal reasons, and so
I was just like, yes, that is what you can
write down, legal reasons. If that's the jop down option,
that is exactly what you should you know, we should determine.
So then he It was fascinating because I feel like
he asked me about an entire branch of my family tree.

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So literally, in that moment, I thought about all of
you guys, the listeners, but also my co hosts, and
I was just kind of like, Oh, this is so
wonderful actually that we've been doing all of this genealogical research,
because I was just like, yeah, off the top of
my head, all of these school So they asked me
for both sets of my grandparents their names, and so
then they asked me for the name of one of

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my parents brothers or sisters, and so I went with
my dad's side and named his oldest brother, who is
this he used to make he rest in peace? And
then they asked me the name of one of his children,
and you know, I was able to give them that
information as well, but I don't recall any like other

(18:30):
extensive questions. I actually felt like that was a really
fun process again because I got to nerd out and
like literally visualize the family tree as I was as
I was going through this. But yeah, so then you know,
he was just kind of like, okay, great, you know,
take this paper back to the I guess one of
the front cubicles. They were able to let me know

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that I would receive the I could go back and
pick up the card within twenty four hours. And so
that was in the morning that I went to do that,
and then I had to go and run an errand
in the capitol in centol Mingo. So that took a
few hours, like four maybe five hours. And so on
our way back, as we were actually entering Bonaw, my

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dad receives a phone call and they let him know
that the card is ready to go get picked up.
So I go and get you know, and pick it up.
And it was just I was so proud. I was
so happy. I was just like, oh my god, I'm
a Dominican citizen. So yeah, so that that was my experience.
It wasn't as painful as perhaps I thought that it

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would be and because I did it in the Dominican Republic,
I think that was probably a little bit more complex.
So I would say to any Dominican citizens living in
the United States who lived near the MBCNDC or who
lived near a consulate, please go and claim your Dominican citizenship.
You will need your birth certificate and or passport unexpired passport,

(20:03):
any other form of identification I would take as well,
just in case, and then you will need your a
copy of your parents seu las. I think it's if
I'm not a second, it would be both parents are
at the very least a parent that is a Dominican
citizenship Dominican citizen. So if you only have one Dominican
citizen parent, it would just be one. But if you
have two, you would be required to take both sailulas.

(20:24):
And then yeah, you can just sort of like walk
into any any consulate and be able to claim your
Dominican citizenship. So please, please, please, please go and do
that as soon as possible. It will guarantee one that
you are recognized as a Dominican citizen. It will guarantee
that you can vote in any Dominican elections, whether you

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are there or whether you live here in the United States,
because you can actually submit your votes through the consulates
or the embassy, and then it will grant you a
lot of privileges, in particular you know, legal and business privileges.
And I know that you know some of us you know,
or I should say that some of our families who

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like have a little bit of land right or if
you would like to buy a little bit of land
any or any other property right like, you would need
your you would need to be a Dominican citizen in
order to facilitate the process. So so go ahead and
do that, y'all. And I would love to hear your
experiences and your stories, so please do feel free to
submit them to us. You can email us or message

(21:29):
us you know, on all of our socials. And yeah,
so here I am officially a Dominican citizen at the
age of forty one.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
This is amazing and I'm very happy for your first out.
And next up, you were going to get your passport
and hopefully send us a picture right from Kuba, because
with a non US passport you can go and enjoy that.
I did want to add for listeners though, that if
you are claiming Dominican citizenship or really any citizenship, and

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you were claiming it by Jusungwinese, so like that you
were claiming it through your bloodline and not through the soil.
So Falstone was a little different because Foste was born
on Dominican soil. He just formalized his citizenship on paperwork
over there. However, if you are claiming your Dominican citizenship
or any other citizenship Jiusunguinese, you can return to the

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country to do that.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
However, if you do return.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
To the country to do that, you do need your
paperwork apostled. And I know that for a fact, having
done an apostle for my paperwork in the US, and
I didn't need to because I formalized my Salvadorian citizenship Jewsunquinese,
but at a US embassy, sorry, a Salvadorian embassy in
the United States. So when you were formalizing your citizenship

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in another country but at an embassy on US soil Jiusunguinese,
you do not need the apostle because you are doing
it on US soil.

Speaker 5 (22:59):
If you are then.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Bringing US paperwork over to the country, you need to
have an apostle. An apostle is paperwork saying that you
are using this legal document specifically for this country. So
you let's say, let's say, for example, you are claiming
citizenship in three different countries for whatever reason. You are

(23:22):
claiming citizenship and Dominican Republic, and then you maybe claiming
citizenship in Jamaica. You then or you were through your grandparent,
you were taking citizenship from Canada. Okay, let's I'm just
storing three countries off the top of my head right now.
You will need to get an apostle for each country
you are using this document. This document for use in

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the Dominican Republic, you will that's one apostle. You were
using this a separate apostle for the document then being
used in Jamaica. You need a separate apostle for the
one being used in Canada. Just so you know, I
happen to know this because I apostle to my paper
work and then I brought it to the embassy and
we were like, we would only need an apostle if
you took this to Al Salvador to formalize. Just wanted

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to give everyone that update so you don't make the
same mistake sited.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
So were they're not prepared.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Would you be able to vote in El Salvador elections?

Speaker 5 (24:16):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Wow, yes, yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't dare. I wouldn't dare, but I could.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
And if you know, you know why?

Speaker 3 (24:28):
May I ask? What is what is an apostle?

Speaker 4 (24:32):
An apostle is a state is basically, you pay ten
dollars down on Williams Street in New York City. Let's
say you're in New York.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
I can't speak for any other to your state.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
If you need to get your marriage certificate, apostle, if
you need to get a birth certificate, apostle, because you
are then going to take that paperwork to another country
for legal reasons. The apostle is a statement from a
third party stating that this is a legal document intended
for international use in one specific country.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
So if you decided like, oh hey, I'm.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Going to get an apostle and I can use this
one apostle anywhere at any country, That's not how it works.
You get an apostle for the document for a specific country.
They literally like outlined, like what country are you doing
this apostle for. It's not a general statement, it's specific
to a country. So when I was in my look
look of citizenships everywhere for me and my spouse.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
I was like, well, my marriage certificate.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Technically I could get citizenship in Alsavador, Ireland, Italy through
marriage if my husband pursued it through his own ancestry.
And my husband could use this Maria certificate for Israeli citizenship,
you know, for his documentation. And I was like, so
I need one apostle and I could use it for
four different countries. And they are very quick to say, no,

(25:50):
you need for separate apostles. You need an apostle for
El Salvador, you need apostle for Ireland, you need an
apostle for Italy, and you need an apostle for Israel.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
So Jesus had twelve apostles because he wanted citizenship. No, right,
I did look it up. Apparently its spelled differently.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
So yes, actually, I am sorry.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
One thing they did not tell me that I found
out later on is that you actually don't need an
apostle for a European country that's not part of the EU,
and Ireland is not because England, because of the history
of Ireland and England and England did the whole Brexit thing.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, But.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Italy would still need the apostle. Israel would still need
the apostle. El Salvador would need the apostle if I
had went down to Sin Salvador. Sorry, guys, I am
disgustingly educated on apostles.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
I mean no, thank you, Like you know what's really
valuable about that briar right, except for listeners, you know,
who may not necessarily have the legal know how or
even necessarily the resources right to like pay for lawyers
like this information, because they.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
May, honestly, if they don't know the information and they
get all excited and then all of a sudden they
weren't prepared for all this red tape, they.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
May just give up. And you shouldn't have to give
up on your birthright because of this.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
So I'm just giving you all this so you can
avoid some of your red tape, or at least you
know the red tape's coming and you're.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Ready, you can get ready. So thank you. I appreciate that.
Thank you for doing the work and the homework for us.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
And I also want to qualify for listeners without giving
too much of a Falsto's family information away. I hope
he is allowed letting me say this However, Falsto we
talked about in a previous episode with his citizenship, he
was born in Dominican Republic. However, Falsto has two siblings
who were born in the United States, so they are
US citizens, and if they decide one day to pursue

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Dominican citizenship, their Dominican citizenship would be jisanguine, so through
their bloodline, whereas Falsto's Dominican citizenship because he was born
on the soil, is just so leased.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
It was born on the soil.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
So they were all three of them, all three of
them could be Dominican US dual citizens, but in different ways.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Things work well, thank you guy prevent diagram in the
show notes, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Don't fread me with a good time, Edward, I will
do the diagrams for this.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
That'll be a patroon.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
And so I'm actually really encouraging my siblings as well
to go claim their their Dominican citizens They both live
in New York City, so they should be able to
do so. And then you know, the process isn't as
painful as I thought it might be.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
So yeah, also, your siblings are fluent and that helps because.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
Some some are no SABO kids and that would be
tougher if they were to go down there.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
This is true if they were to go down to
the Dominican Republic right.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
Not at the embassy.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
No, it would actually still be pretty tough at the embassy,
but I imagine a little easier at.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
The Consulate here in New York. I think that they
do have I mean they do have, you know, English
speaking people.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
I mean mscy they do, but it's your You were
getting given looks if you speak English there you are.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Young, I get some looks. That's interesting. You know, I
haven't been to the Consulate in a really long time,
so I wouldn't even I wouldn't know how, you know.
I guess kids would be would be would be treated,
but I can't imagine, you know that they would be
too too different. Two differently.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Is an episode for another season.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yes what are yes? Because what is.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
They are?

Speaker 8 (29:42):
No?

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Kids are well in the strictest language, that is a
playoff of sabra, which is to know, And people who
have very limited knowledge of Spanish would think that that
is a regular verb, that it's conjugated. They would I
think that I speak, I know would be yosabo instead

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of yourse because it's an irregular verb.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
So yeah, go over conjugations and the hurdles to be
fluent in Spanish.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
However, the kids who are no kids, they may they
do not know Spanish as well as maybe they're family
members or their friends or neighbors or anyone else. However,
they may or may not look Hispanic, but they still
still have the heritage. And it is a poll between
two different worlds at all times not fully being accepted
in either one, and the anxiety that comes with that,

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and also how to move forward in the world with that.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
So that is an episode for a future season, and
I'm very excited about as a kid myself.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Given that this podcast is in English, we probably have
a number of listeners. So we see you, We love you.
The struggle Israel, and you are as Latino as anybody else. Yes,
we absolutely love you.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
If we don't, if I if you, if my co
hosts don't mind me disclosing half of the co hosts
or no, the other half are fluent speakers. And yet
we all love we us, all love here, all love here.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
So my goodness, I actually I have. I grew up
with two younger cousins slightly younger cousins who U I
guess they're you know, their parents are both Dominicans, but
they grew up speaking mostly English, I think, in mostly
English at home, and really they would speak Spanish I
think more with their with their grandma and and so

(31:37):
I literally would hear the phrase you'll know a couple
of times from from them. So so yeah, this is
this is for y'all. This is for y'all.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
Y'all.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
I just want to Okay, this is an episode we
should not be getting into too much as an update,
but just as a precursor for that episode. If I
can leave one message for anyone who encounters no suble kids,
if they're trying, please give them some grape. Don't alienate
them from learning any further, don't make fun of them.
They're not going to want to speak Spanish and then
it's going to be a self fulfilling prophecy.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
Encourage them and please don't make fun of them.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah them, especially because I think Spanish is a more
difficult language to learn than English.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
That is my yeah, health coming from a non like
Latin based romance language, I agree, because like if you
speak Italian or French and you're used to the way
verbs are conjugated, it's easier to learn like Spanish versus
like coming from one side to the other. It does.
It does make a lot more sense because remembering conjugations,

(32:49):
since in English it's such a foreign concept versus if
you're learning you know, if you're learning Spanish and you
already speak French, for instance, the notion of conjugating verbs
is second nature too, because they work in the same way,
versus if you're coming from English to Spanish. Those two
are so kind of opposite in the terms of how
they you know, verbs and adjectives and all of the

(33:12):
language structure works. It's a lot more difficult one way
for another. So yes, we do understand. We give you
a lot of grace because it's not easy when you
don't have a baseline knowledge of a language that works
in a similar fashion when it comes to the verbs
and so on.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Ye okay, so I'm to have someone else who are
creating great I hear you with you like, oh hot take.
I was just like, okay, you know what, this section
might be an interesting conversation for you.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
Just have that in our notes for another episode. The
reason I say that is actually English is the hardest
hell languish to.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, we're pretty arbitrary with with with the rules. Yeah,
and I think the pronunciations right of and then not
pronouncing every single letter or sometimes pronouncing a letter that's
not actually there, because all of.

Speaker 6 (34:08):
The vowels sound the same, always correct Versus English, they
change depending on the word like oh almost and you
know in Spanish they're always the same. Oh is oh
and i's eye and there's no you know, variation on
how you pronounce it versus apple or avenue or almost,
you know, and English and a can sound.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Versus English, giving you bout tough cost exactly exactly, and
you better have letters in the same way for all
those words, even though they're not pronounced the same way exactly.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
And for listeners.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
I have a daughter enrolled in dual English Spanish elementary education,
so she's learning both equally right now because with me
with me, that being said, trying to explain why certain
letters are not spelled or pronounced the way they should
be in both English and Spanish is hard to explain

(35:08):
to a child, Like she wants to say, draw in English,
and she started writing phonetically and it was a jay
and I was like, I see why you thought that,
I see where you got that, and then you know,
then she'll say something in Spanish and she'll be like
ge k and I'm like she wanted to write it
with a K, and I'm like, I see where.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
You got that too. Well, that's how the kids write it. Now,
if you text my cousins, that's how all the kids
slang is. It's just it's very phonetic rather than spelling
it out. If you follow any Spanish speakers on social media,
you'll see that.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
All the time. Okay, okay, okay, literally k and that
was just k okay. Meanwhile, our Spaniard listeners are having fits.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Yeah here after our season premiere last season.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
You know what that's off already left.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
All right, So y'all, I hope you enjoyed this episode
and this update and chapel I. As you can hear
in that episode, we the situation with the Castillo is.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
Late at night.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
We were tired, yeah, we we We tend to record
a lot of our episodes on the same day, so
it's a very long day of recording.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Towards the end, we strategically air them at certain historical
times for context, but we record them for other for
many reasons together. Uh, and this one just a combination
of the heaviness of the other episodes. As you heard Deportation, Citizenship, Columbus.
What else did we have we had that day, We

(37:00):
had everything, so everything was so heavy, and then this
was hysterical to us that late night.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
I also will say that we had just eaten, right,
so we had just actually had what was.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
It like, sugar was a little high, you know at sugar.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
It was delicious Cuban food. I was so happy to
have had it. And then and then yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
It was cute, just so the listeners know it was
Cuban food and it was not that made us like that.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
Okay, there was no Coquito in the room.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
They could claim responsibility for the laughter in that episode.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Wasn't even ron. It was just Cuban food.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
All right, y'all.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
Depending on what happens in the next few weeks, we
may have another update.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
This is very new for us that we discovered Latinida.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
We never usually have to do updates, except our episodes
became outdated pretty.

Speaker 7 (38:00):
Fast, really best and that's okay again evolving, We're just
we're keeping up at the time.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Welcome back everyone. This is season six, episode nine, where
we are talking about El Chapel and Kate del Castigio,
one of the telenovela princesses. I'm Fausto, Hey, I'm Edward.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
I'm Briar Rose, and I'm j Liisa.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Oh my goodness, you guys, this is really there's so
much trama going on here, so much trauma. I was
completely surprised when I first heard when I first heard
Kate del Castigio's name associated with El Chapel, because I
knew her from all of the Mexican telenoelas.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
I think a lot some of our listeners who may
be new to this whole thing, they may associate, you know,
they may only hear of Chapo when it comes to
like Narcos and the that.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
For good reason.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Yeah, but I don't think touched on this. I don't
think it touched on this story. So we're going past.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
That, Okay, driving deep. Yeah, Kate Castigio, we know her
from much Chitas from back in the early nineties, Imperio
de Cristal as well. She also starred in an episode
of Moher the other sul Let's see said, I'm just

(39:32):
kind of like, oh my goodness, I remember ian to
talk about. I didn't know we were going to deep
dive out. I'm just setting you know, I'm giving the
background on Kate and why this was so shocking and surprising,
the last person you would expect. Okay, yeah, now we
can talk about all about a Chapel. I'm like, well,

(39:56):
he's in Brooklyn right now. Oh gosh, Well he wasn't
a gel in Brooklyn.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
No, you're thinking about Gillie Maxwell and did he and
Luigi Mengo Jon they're all there right now.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
No, but where was it he was extradited to the
United States, Yes.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
But I don't think he escaped from Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
No, he didn't. He didn't escape from Brooklyn. No, he
escaped from one X. Yeah. Where was it? I don't know,
you got Yeah, maybe let's start from the beginning. Once
upon a time and Sinaloa. There was in nineteen fifty
seven a little boy named Joaquin el Chapo Guzman was born.

(40:37):
People called him Chopo shorty. Yeah, he was a shorty,
just Chapo from chap Barrel. Oh.

Speaker 6 (40:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
But he was little, I mean not really little.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
He was like five six. He was like my dad's side.

Speaker 6 (40:49):
That's average in Mexico. I would think, oh, maybe because
he was also stocky.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, it's probably it chapel yeah, chap or choppa, which
I think comes from chapachro short.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
I thought it would be baho like when that.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
I don't know anyway, There's many ways to insult someone.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Yeah, yeah, but yes, he ran this drug pin. He
actually has like a third grade education. So let me
just tell you that this guy with the limited amount
of formal education not the greatest access because he lived
in a rural part was in Mexico. I think he
was in Mexico and he there wasn't really a school

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he could get to. It was miles and miles and
miles and miles and miles away. That I think the
only education he got after a certain point where traveling
teachers coming around. And so he started with the business.
His dad got him into the drug business really early.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Like his dad was officially the cattle rancher, but they
think he farmed dopey on poppies.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
Yeah, And so he started learning, Yeah, he started learning nineteen.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Hundreds of nineteen fifty nineteen, and I forgot we were
born in the nineteen hundreds too, something we'd rather forget.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
So yeah, he was doing that really early with his cousins.
He was severely like beaten and abused by his father,
and he ran away a couple of times, lived with grandparents.
He was on his own taking care of the family.
And he actually his father was a great example of
what not to do with money, Like any money they
made from these drugs, like the old man would just

(42:21):
spend on like the stupid ish. So that's when he
started doing his own little you know, the farming thing
side hustle. Yeah, and then that's when he started making
He was able to escape like getting caught for the
longest time. I mean, he was out in the open
and no one like when I was reading all the

(42:41):
ways he was. He was able to escape law enforcement
for the longest time. I'm like, did he just did?
Did he just get I heard that he would walk
into restaurants, people would know it was him. He'd pay
everyone's bill, and then everyone just kept quiet.

Speaker 6 (42:56):
I didn't see anything, did you?

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (42:58):
No, nothing, then nothing, absolutely nothing. But yeah, so I'll
let Edward go. He made no more.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Well, so I'll give a little bit of the Colombian background,
because you know, the Sinaloa cartel, the Mexican cartels were
all helping the Colombian cartels ship the product. At first
apparently I didn't know, but Chile back in the sixties
used to be the big cocaine drug dealers. Then they

(43:24):
had the seventy three coup. Pinochet comes in. He shuts
all that down. So then Colombia, which at first had
been the mafia, the US mafia smuggling marijuana threw through Colombia.
Then Columbia starts to get into the drug trade as well.
So this is around the mid seventies, and this is
when they start getting the Mexican cartels to help them
with shipping to the United States, which, by the way,

(43:48):
the United States as the number one drug user for
decades in the world. Like you don't you need demand
in order to get supply, so let us so you know, anyone,
if anyone out there is snorting cocaine or god forbid,
smoking crack, like you are helping to I.

Speaker 8 (44:09):
Mean you are, you are contributing part, You are contributing
towards this cash crop colonialism.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Okay, you are the problem. I mean, that's not men's words.
He's not wrong, he's not wrong.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Yeah, but you know what he was also able to
pay off like TSA agents, people working in airports to
not get certain bags checked.

Speaker 5 (44:41):
For the longest time.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
This I was amazed at how much he was able
to get into the United States, and then I realized
he paid.

Speaker 6 (44:48):
Off the airport.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
That's what I was gonna say. It's just an immense
amount of money, right, And when you have so much
money that you can, just as you're saying, right, pay
off people, grease hands, you know, constraint. I took tunnels
into the United States and submarines, right, Like, the opportunities
are boundless when you have when you make that much

(45:10):
money from you know, the eighties greet as Good era
twenty twelve saw a Wolf of Wall Street.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
Yeah, we also Walk Street.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
What were you saying, Oh no, I was just saying.
Twenty twelve, El Chapo officially made the Forbes Billionaire's List.
They were finally like, all right, he has enough money,
we might as well like, oh officially, yeah, oh he's
up there with such wonderful company. Yep.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
But you know what, I'm not defending this man at all,
but you know what a lot of people who are
on that Forbes one hundred, like they ruin lives, and
they take people's jobs away, they can risk safety easy.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
There's no difference there. You're absolutely correct, right, Just because
you hide me behind a company Purdue doesn't mean right
that your money is any cleaner than anybody else, don't.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm like, fuck that guy,
but also like to say that, yes, it's a private thing.
We're not being sponsored by like CBS or something.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
So although if you do want to sponsor, although, yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Right out. But that being said, I'm not I'm not
going to praise the guy in any way, shape or form,
unlike Kate the Castillo. I'm not going to praise the man.
But you know what he did dirty ship. Oh I'm sorry.
How many of them got to where they were without
doing really dirty, unethical things to get their Money's some
of the obviously him billionaires, Yes, other billionaires, Yes, that's all.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
That's all.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
I just gotta say.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
I'm not saying he's great because he's an asshole, but
none of them are innocent, innocent, So you know, there's
no such thing as a clean billion There really isn't
that that's another conversation.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
But pushing illicit drugs is kind of an extra layer.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
I mean, it's bad, but at the same point.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
It's only a little bit worse than pushing liicit drugs
because you have the money to make them legal.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
I mean, yeah, if you're.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
If you're the Sackler family, Yeah, if.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
You're pushing pharmaceutical drugs and you're pushing things that aren't.

Speaker 6 (47:08):
Needed, like hurting people, just as much, or.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
You're I'm sorry, even if who's that dude for years
ago he hopped up the insolent of diabetes. Yeah, fucking too,
Martin Mark, Yeah, Martin you know what, Yeah exactly, So
you know what, scumbag. Yeah, they're a good company. Yep,
that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying one is better

(47:32):
than the other. I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Trash, right, exactly. Also, very few CEOs have gotten a
cardinal murdered, which is what they suspected in nineteen ninety three,
that we know of.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
That we know.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Wow, listen, you don't know. I'm freaking out, Edward. I'm sorry,
we're covering Catholic over here. Come on. Yeah, there's enough
corruption in the church and governments.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Yeah, we're gonna act like people in the church haven't
moved things along either.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
It's not one kind of traffic, it might be another.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Or in the US government contra okay, or or crack
how about that? Or just crack crack okay. Question. I'm
not sure what's going on right now. You guys, we
promise we use none of the chapel's products.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
No, god, we're too poor. We couldn't afford it. Oh
my god.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Finished, I can't see you. Fun episode. You know what
we talk about, how though Castillo stopped him? Or are
we not? Well? Tell us what's the relationship, because again,
I'm completely giving.

Speaker 6 (49:07):
Us the bioch.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
She was criticizing the Mexican government, and she was actually
saying at one point that she even though he was horrible,
she trusted him in like at least he was straightforward.
I'm like the Mexican government that was killing its own
people and lying about policy.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
So she tried to equate that.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
And then that, of course, you know, sparked his interest
and the US government used that man's thirst. Heard you
were talking about me, yeah, oh, I mean yeah, that's
how that happened.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Objectively, she is gorgeous.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Listen, I'm not saying like that, but I'm just saying
like that got swooped in really fast, and he couldn't heat.
I don't know, no, no, he couldn't resist that compliment,
that compliment that he was better than the Mexican government was.

Speaker 6 (49:53):
Talking about me right public. Oh my word.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
So now that we're getting down to it, we have
the she's criticized. She's famous all on her own. She's
very pretty, she gives him a nice shot.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Incredibly talented, not just pretty. She's okay, I'm good actress.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
No, but do you think do you think he cared
that she was talented?

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Okay, I see, I see that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
I'm not saying she was pretty and famous and she
said his name and that was enough for him.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
Yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 6 (50:20):
I'm not she knows who I am.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
I'm not convinced.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
That that that that he was sitting sitting.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
Here with her resume admiring her.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Was quite impressive. I loved you like what an in
depth portrayal. As I was leaving the decapitated body, which
with a banner, I love you that telenovella. That King
Sanetta scene was just tops. As I was torturing my prisoner.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
So that means the man, how many times did he
escape from prison twice.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Yeah, to how many times did they take him out
of prison? Because yeah, escape, Yeah, they're they're.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
I mean he paid people off who got him.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
How many times did he get out without being supposed
to be cow?

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Yeah, I think it was twice.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
That That was my understanding.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
The first prison which he was in, which is funny,
nineteen ninety five to two thousand and one, it was
supposedly a security prison for men. That's what I was
going to ask. I think he got three female prisoners
to come in. One of them was a woman who
had just robbed a security van and she's brought to
this high end security prison. She becomes his in prison

(51:40):
mistress to have two abortions, and then you know dies
thirty one. I'm sorry, Yeah it was amends person. Yeah,
Amn's prison and he got three female prisoners snuck in.
He got his family.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Quote, he had hours where like family could talk to
him from nine.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
To five, Like the family actually visited.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
Yeah, like they could go see it.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
But like I don't stay there.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
And I don't mean like me and my jail, right,
and I don't mean like a one hour window once
a week. I'm talking like nine to five, like he
had family days, so this is like, but he was
somehow still in isolation. Wasn't he in solitary confinement for twenty.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
Three hours at run?

Speaker 6 (52:19):
In these prisons?

Speaker 4 (52:20):
One of the jails he was in solitary and he
was and he was put in with probably.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
The second time, but the second still he was still
able to run his goddamn national from the jail cell.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
But he was also put in a jail with rival gangs,
so he had to get the fuck.

Speaker 6 (52:36):
Out like he had to.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
He would you think he wouldn't. He couldn't have taken
care of them. I mean, not him himself, but you know,
his people.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Depending on how many he really had on the inside, Okay,
because and he had somehow he on unliving money coming
in and out of jail to pay off guards.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Well that's what I'm so, how much does it cost
to turn someone in Mexico? That's more than I'm sure
to tell that day. So let's just leave. Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Think the first time they caught was it the first
time they caught him, was it with his No? What
was that the last time with Kate where they caught
him in a hotel room with his wife but his
kids weren't there, and then there was this standoff but
no gun was actually reached for, but he physically tried
to fight them from arresting him and maybe mixing up
the two times he got arrested. But yes, there was

(53:29):
an interview set up, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Edward,
but like, there was an interview set up with Sean
Penn Chapel and Kate Castillo ra biopic Crabio pic on him,
and she was kind of she was tricked into this
involvement because they knew he would meet with her because
she'd been complimenting him.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Wait, so did they have a relationship or not?

Speaker 4 (53:52):
That was unclear. Okay, that was unclear if like they
had a relationship or he was fawning.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Over her compliments, got it? Got it?

Speaker 6 (54:00):
And you know right on the street he likes you,
So let's use you as bait.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Yeah. Yeah, I think the US government definitely was like, hey,
we may be able to use this one.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
So this was just her latest role in a regal.
The thing is, I.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
Don't think she knew that she was part of this heist.
I think she really think that I think she really
thought that this was Like I don't know, an artistic
like movement, a collaboration, like I really think I think
she thought this was some sort of like Heraldo with
the Willowbrook like expose. I think that's what she really
thought this was going to be. But she wasn't a journalist,

(54:36):
So yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:37):
That's what the explanation was.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Well, yeah, I'll let Edward take over from there.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah, I got nothing. I was that second way? What
was that second stint of an escape? Oh? I mean
the second stint was arrested in two thousand and seven, right,
and then escape that was the tunnel twenty fourteen? Was
was was the tunnel? Yeah? The second escape? Which one

(55:02):
was the one with the helicopter?

Speaker 4 (55:04):
No, I think it was the first one was a helicopter, right.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
The first one was a helicopter in the second the
second one, right, he he like turned a corner because
because they had a security camera in his cell, and
he like turned the corner and he didn't come back.
And then you somehow a little tunnel had been built
up to is that was high security itself.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Michael Schoolfield got into the prison, but the whole prison break, right.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
You know, what if I were in Kate the Castigio's
place I would have gone to that interview too, Okay, Like, yeah,
is this opportunity again, right, Like this is such a
wonderful movie idea. I don't blame her, sorry, I.

Speaker 6 (55:43):
Don't turn Holly break on hell the other side.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
I don't blame her for anything but being naive, that's all.
Not for what she did, not for what she thought
this would do for her her career, or like, you know,
anything else but.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
My dad for a second. Why why do we have
to glorify the worst of Latin America. We should make
projects about our history and glories.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
And here's the thing, Edward.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
When we're talking about true we're talking about true crime
and latinos Okay, we're not talking about the top brass here.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
Yeah, We're talking about people with.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Questionable morals, yeah, and questionable processing of events. So like,
I mean, Lorena Bobbitt, I stand.

Speaker 6 (56:33):
By her, but criminals, we don't.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
If you want to get objective, if you want to
get objective with Lourena, I'm not saying I agree with
this perspective. Loreen also embezzled money. Lareen also shoplifted. Lauren
also did punch her mother in the face. Does that
equate her. No, she wasn't a killer. No, she wasn't
a killer, and people do dumb shit. But I mean,
if we're gonna talk about crime, we're gonna talk about crime,
you know what I mean, We're not gonna equate it.

(57:00):
Like Kate just Castillo was not a drug lord. So
I'm not going to equate her to the chapel.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Right, but I'm going to say.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
You're a little naive, You're a little I just didn't
make the best decisions. There we go, What's what's up
to now? Do we know? And no? Sorry I thought
I heard he What is Kates you up to now?
I don't know. Maybe he's still enjoying her millions. It

(57:28):
looks so salty. It looks like she has a couple
of films coming out soon, so she's still she is
still acting in film, and it looks like she is
also doing some TV work, some like shows. Yeah, so's
she's gonna no sitcoms or anything, but you know, yeah,

(57:49):
she's getting paid.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
She's securing the bag is all she's expected.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Do you, girlfriend? Do you That's all you can do?

Speaker 4 (57:58):
So, yeah, that's Kate. Was she paid the Chapo compliment
he fell for it in his damn ego and the
US government used this.

Speaker 6 (58:06):
To spring the truck, to get him.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
To get him, to trap him in with this, with
Sean Penn getting involved too, and now here we are
waiting for his next escape.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Well where's it? Where's he? Now?

Speaker 4 (58:19):
That's I knew that, And now I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
You're the one with the laptop in front of listen
he was at one point he wasn't Brooklyn that much
I know is true.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
At one point we were all in Brooklyn. Maybe we're
all in Brooklyn at the same time.

Speaker 5 (58:36):
He is her he was sent in twenty seventeen. He
was in prison.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Oh, he's in a supermax prison right now, that makes sense?

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Yeah, which one in Colorado?

Speaker 4 (58:50):
It's under federal registered number, doesn't it doesn't want to
tell me? Man, Oh wait, ADX Florence. Which is Colorado?
I knew he's in Colorado.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
I got just google it.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Where is Elcho where the style chopping? Yeah, there's a
lot of mountains and open space in Colorado. So is
that where they're trying to prevent Yeah, Colorado though, breaking
him out.

Speaker 6 (59:19):
I'm sure there's some allies.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Look, we're just waiting for the next escape, right. Yeah,
I just don't want to be in Colorado when it happens,
That's all I'm saying. Because that's going to go down
Bonnie and Clyde style when that happens, because the US
government is going to be super pissed Mexico.

Speaker 6 (59:36):
I should let this happen again.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
They're going to just be so mad that it's going
to be Bonnie and Clyde all over again, just bloodshed.
I'm sorry they the US does not take being insulted
three times. Okay, you yeah, I can't exactly told.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
We told you to keep him in jail twice.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
You let him escape.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
We love our guns more than we love We're people,
and we're to show you how.

Speaker 6 (01:00:01):
Now, okay, getting.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Yeah, somebody's getting spicy, But I get.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Spicy every every True Crime Sees episode. I get spicy.
Remember what I said. Remember when I said about John
Wayne Bob and I was like, and I say this,
the balls on this guy. Remember I went in what
was the last one before that? Oh Selena? I was like,
she tried to kill the bitch four times. See, I
stay spicy on the True Crime.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
You do, I mean, you do traditional Thank you tradition.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
I don't think I said anything too bad about the
Meninda's brothers. Did you hear that they're waiting to see
if they're going to get released?

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
Interesting?

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen neither.

Speaker 8 (01:00:46):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
I mean I feel bad for them and I believe them.
But also, you guys, don't think you don't let them out.
They spend all the money afterwards, go to a hospital
in the public, right, but we're revisiting. Okay, So how
long is he going to be locked up for?

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
For life?

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
He's done?

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
How many lives? Because people like get like kind of
on their leg he was.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
He's life in prison plus thirty years.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Wow, and he has.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
To forfeit more than twelve point six billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Okay, where where are they going to find that? When
they say forfeit's just sitting in the bank.

Speaker 9 (01:01:27):
Well, actually back to two thousand and seven, that was
Mexico City.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
He yeall, y'all, let's behave Edward's trying to just trying
to say something, say it, I'm good, I'm good.

Speaker 5 (01:01:52):
No, I'm sorry. Okay, we talk.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
About him, Okay, I got that out. No, So he
we're just I think the rest of us are just
kind of waiting on a.

Speaker 6 (01:02:02):
Mad man who did bad things.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Yeah, I mean, it's either going it's either going to
be he's gonna escape or one of the rival gangs
is going to infiltrate the prison and kill him. That's
one of the two things that are going to happen here.
So we're just kind of waiting for one of those shoes.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
To drop with this guy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
Now, if he gets out a third time and somehow
they don't get him in the Mondonia's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Prisons are like forts, so I'm not saying they're impregnable, but.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Yeah, yeah, all right, all right.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
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Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
We're gonna discuss Yuli. So we're going to do We're
gonna be the next two weeks. We're gonna be pretty heavy
and being Cuba.

Speaker 7 (01:03:24):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Yeah, we're gonna do our movie Yuli. Then we're gonna
have a whole episode on Cuba.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Guys, So.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
G yeah, grab your cafe and your cigar.

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
And have a good time.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Okay, it's gonna be a good couple episodes here.

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
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