June 18, 2025 • 40 mins
Today we’re talking to Jeff Rockhold, Equipment Manager at Stone Canyon Golf Club in Blue Springs, MO, and his son, Jacob Rockhold, CGCS, Director of Agronomy.
Stone Canyon is a public 18-hole course with mostly John Deere and Toro equipment.
After a long career in HVAC (and one too many crawl spaces), Jeff made the switch to turf when Jacob hired him on to mow fairways in a semi-retired gig. We talk about what Jeff has discovered in his second career, how turning wrenches on the course compares to HVAC work, what he enjoys about the golf industry, and how this father-son duo makes it work (at quitting time, roles go right back to normal)!
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Welcome to The Reel Turf TechsPodcast, episode 1 45.
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Today we're talking to JeffRockhold, equipment Manager at
Stone Canyon Golf Club in BlueSprings, Missouri.
And his son, director ofAgronomy, Jacob Rockhold.
CGCS.
Stone Canyon is a public 18 holecourse.
They have mostly deer and Toroequipment.
Welcome to a Special Father'sDay episode.
(01:33):
We're talking to our firstfather and son duo with a
certified golf coursesuperintendent son and his
equipment manager dad, who's newto the industry.
Find out how Jacob got his dad,Jeff, into the shop, and what
Jeff thinks about his secondcareer in the turf industry
after a long career in HVAC andmaybe one too many crawlspaces.
(01:57):
Let's get into the interview.
Welcome Jeff and Jacob to theReal Turf Text podcast.
Thank you both for being on thisepisode's gonna be a little bit
different but I think it's gonnabe cool and fun and interesting
and I appreciate you both beinghere.
I.
And we're gonna start with Jeff,tell us how you got into the
(02:17):
turf industry.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (02:19):
Oh I worked at HVAC.
I did air conditioning for like11 years and got to be too old
to be crawling around in crawlspaces.
So somebody offered me a betteropportunity.
Trent Manning (02:30):
Okay.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (02:31):
I.
Trent Manning (02:32):
But you're still young enough to crawl around on
turf equipment.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (02:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not in a crawl space
Trent Manning (02:39):
No I understand.
Yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (02:40):
where it's 110 degrees.
Trent Manning (02:43):
Yeah, I don't wish that on anybody.
My dad has a crawlspace andyeah, I have to change his
filter.
Yeah.
Not fun.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (02:50):
That's where his furnace is at in the
crawl space.
Yeah.
Those are not fun.
Trent Manning (02:54):
No, it, yep.
Yeah, the last one they got putin is a friend of mine that done
the work and he put in one ofthe super thick filters, so I
only gotta change it once a yearversus doing that once a month.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (03:07):
Once a month.
Yeah.
Then five inch filters are,they're good filters.
Trent Manning (03:10):
Okay.
That's good to know.
That's good to know.
So it was it, Jacob, that gaveyou your start in
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (03:17):
Yes.
Trent Manning (03:18):
the turf industry.
So let's hear that story.
How'd that come about?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (03:24):
He, he just offered me a job.
He thought I didn't need to becrawling around in crawl spaces
anymore.
Then when he, the guy thattrained me has been doing it for
30 years.
So I had a good mentor.
I'd always wanted to have himcome work for me eventually.
He is kind of just always been agoal of mine when I became a
superintendent.
and we had.
(03:46):
Opportunity, a spot on our staffthat opened up a full-time
position and at the time itwasn't for mechanic.
It was just, I wanted him to bemy rough mower, you know, kind
of semi-retired job, a loteasier on him for his health and
all that.
But just so happened that thecourse that we were at the time,
(04:07):
the mechanic Mark Williams, heis one of my mentors, but he's a
really good guy, but he washaving some health issues and
over the winter my dad washelping him in the shop.
And when he went down with somehealth issues, he kind of just
stepped up to the plate and wasfilling in for him and.
(04:27):
Mark ended up being gone forpretty much the whole summer and
my dad took over and did afantastic job.
Just so that's where it all kindof started.
Yep.
Trent Manning (04:41):
Well, if you can get one summer under your belt
you're official and then, likewe were talking about, you've
experienced top dressing.
So yeah, welcome to the clubman.
You're here, you're doing it.
You're doing it.
Living the dream with the restof us.
Well, what is what's one of yourfavorite parts of the job since
(05:03):
you're relatively new to this?
I
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (05:05):
Oh I like to get out of the shop and
actually go run the equipmentafter I've worked on'em.
It gives me satisfaction to knowthat I knew what I was doing
when I put'em together.
I.
Trent Manning (05:14):
Oh yeah.
No, it can definitely be veryrewarding.
Is your least favorite part ofthe job?
Top dressing?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (05:22):
Yeah,
Trent Manning (05:23):
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Does,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (05:26):
He loves to help out.
So it's really interesting'causeI, like, I told him the other
day, I was like, Hey man,you're, they'll take this wrong
way, but it's time for you tostart turning some wrenches.
I know you want to help us mowand stuff, but we got some work
that we gotta get some mowersback going and stuff like that.
So.
I always gotta get him back inthe shop, so
Trent Manning (05:45):
Well, that's good too.
I mean, I think it's a goodtrade and that's what most of
the people that I interview say,is.
It's the variety of what we getto do, you know, no.
Two days is the same.
We're not standing on anassembly line, putting, you
know, part A and slot B and allthat, just all day long.
Yeah, we have some stuff we haveto do over and over again, but.
(06:08):
It's not too monotonous.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (06:11):
I've done the, I've done the factory
thing.
I've built seats and I've builtradiators, so I know what that's
like
Trent Manning (06:17):
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
No
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (06:18):
in my younger days.
Trent Manning (06:20):
yeah.
No, that's good stuff.
What's what's your favoritetool?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (06:25):
My favorite tool.
Speed wrenches.
Trent Manning (06:28):
okay.
Speed wrench.
So yeah, what is the speedwrench?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (06:32):
Huh.
It's a wrench.
That's instead of an open endwrench or a boxing wrench.
It's ratted, so you don't haveto keep working your bolts.
It's like having a socket.
Trent Manning (06:44):
Okay.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Nice.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (06:46):
tool.
Trent Manning (06:47):
Yeah, no su super handy.
And I don't, I'm trying toremember.
I wanna say the first one ofthose I bought was probably late
nineties or something when thosecame out, or, I mean, maybe they
come out before then, but thatwas.
First time I was introduced andit was a traveling salesman that
would come by once a month orwhatever.
And he worked for fosters Ithink, which is similar to
(07:10):
Lawson or Kimball Midwest orsomething like that.
I don't know.
I don't know if they're stillaround or not, but he had a set
and they weren't very mucheither.
And I still got that same set,you know, whatever, 25 years
later still going.
Yeah.
Made by Gear Wrench too.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (07:27):
Yeah.
That's gear wrench.
Yeah, that's what we have.
Gear wrenches.
They're good sets.
Snap-on makes a good set too,but they're a little more
pricey.
Trent Manning (07:34):
they're a lot more pricey.
Let's don't, you know, sugarcoatthat they're a lot
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (07:38):
must keep the superintendents and
stuff outta your toolbox.
'cause
Trent Manning (07:43):
yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (07:43):
we're always grabbing stuff outta his.
So,
Trent Manning (07:46):
Yep.
No I definitely have my toolboxwith my tools and the guys that
help me in the shop, I let themuse it.
The stuff outta my toolbox, butI still, you know, gripe at them
each day.
Like, you didn't put this backin the right spot.
There is a
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (08:00):
You got a checklist on your toolbox.
Keep a checklist on yourtoolbox.
Trent Manning (08:04):
That's, that would be a really good idea for
sure.
Well, what do you do to relax orfind your balance?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (08:11):
spend time with the grandkids.
Trent Manning (08:13):
Okay.
That's a smart answer.
Since, you're there at theirhouse.
Right.
You gotta be doing that.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (08:18):
and I have motorcycle, so I de-stress
riding my bike.
Trent Manning (08:22):
okay.
Nice.
Do you get to bring thegrandkids to the golf course?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (08:29):
I do every once in a while.
I they're getting to the age nowwhere it's getting a little bit
easier to bring'em, and it's notso much of a chore that they can
kind of go play and we couldstill be productive.
But the last couple years it'sbeen kind of tough bringing'em
because it's just, you gottagive all their attention to
them.
So, or someone does.
Yeah, someone does.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I normally, he brings them andthen I have to watch him in the
(08:50):
shop while he goes work,
Trent Manning (08:51):
Well, you know, that's okay.
That's all right.
That's a fair trade off though.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (08:57):
thank God for TV and videos.
Trent Manning (08:59):
yeah.
Right.
I remember, so I got two girlsand yeah, they're almost grown
now, so 17 and 20.
But when they were little, youknow, and I, yeah, I probably
waited till they were at leastfive before I started bringing
them.
And the youngest one, she wouldgo with me like every weekend
almost, and hang out, set mowersup.
(09:22):
I mean, I got pictures of herdoing that, you know, riding the
equipment, lift up and down.
Driving a golf cart around, youknow, just all the things.
And I think it's really coolthat kids can grow up that way.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (09:34):
Yeah.
Yeah, they love it.
They love it for sure.
Trent Manning (09:37):
Yep.
Well, I met my sister.
Go ahead.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (09:41):
he's into monster trucks and
excavators and all that, so it'sa heyday when he comes to the
course, so.
Trent Manning (09:49):
Well, my sister brought my nephew to the course
a few years ago.
He was, I think five at thetime.
And, you know, he's a typicalboy, end up all that stuff and
he jumps out of her car and he'sjust like looking around like
tractors, diggers, you know, Imean, naming all this stuff off.
He like, didn't know which wayto go.
He was so excited.
(10:09):
He is like, you know, go aroundin a circle trying to see what
he wanted to get on first.
Well, what's been one of yourbiggest challenges to date?
Jeff and Jacob Rockh (10:19):
Challenges to From on equipment, you
Trent Manning (10:21):
yeah.
Or just in working at the golfcourse in general, it's Jacob
putting out too much sand.
What, you know, whatever thechallenge is.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (10:30):
Oh, we hadn't had any challenges to
this golf course.
Not like we've had before.
I mean, this is a littledifferent golf course than we
were at before, so thechallenges aren't as strong as
we were before, but.
Just maintenance in, in general?
Trent Manning (10:45):
So just the day-to-day stuff can be kind of.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (10:50):
We still got, he's, I mean, we come
up with different stuff everyday.
Like, you know, like the 3,500right now we're dealing with,
it's cutting.
It's cutting weird.
So we think we got some issueswith the hydraulic, so it's.
It's been kind of, you know, I'mgrowing with him too.
We're you know, to go throughthe equipment and we, something
new comes up other than a reelgoing out or something like
that.
(11:10):
I mean, that's kind of, wehaven't had anything pretty
dramatic, but we kinda have towork through it together.
And I'm really good at takingstuff apart.
He's got the patience to put itall back together, so it's a, he
takes it apart pretty quick.
You gotta be watching her.
Maybe he don't remember the wayit went back together.
Trent Manning (11:28):
Yeah.
Yep.
That's I mean, that's one of thethings that, that you have to
learn too though, is Yeah,getting stuff apart.
So when you do face a challenge,like you're talking about with a
3,500 and you're not sureexactly what the problem is,
where do you go?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (11:44):
I call Mark
Trent Manning (11:46):
Okay.
Yeah.
Fair
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (11:47):
our local sales rep's really good.
So we try to call them to see ifwe can bounce off any ideas.
So I.
But We've called Mark to ourprevious mechanic.
Yeah, so we've called him quitea bit.
He's got, I mean, he's probably35 years of experience now, so
he's he's a good resource tohave too.
So, and he's been, he's alwaysworked on red, so that's what we
(12:09):
have problems with as a redsometimes.
He knows all the tricks on whatto fix on the Toros.
Trent Manning (12:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (12:16):
he's about done everything there is
to do on any Toro.
Trent Manning (12:19):
It's it's always good to have those resources
handy, and from my experience,most of the people in our
industry are more than willingto help,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (12:32):
Oh yes.
Always.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Trent Manning (12:34):
down the road, or you know, or whatever.
You can call about anybody, andthey'll help you out any way
they can.
And I see it every day.
We got the WhatsApp group, sobig group of technicians,
there's like 150 of us in there.
And that's what happens everyday.
Somebody, Hey, have you seenthis before?
And the, you know, there'sanother guy that says, yeah,
(12:55):
I've seen that like 10 times.
You know, but I mean, it's just,it's common problems that happen
with equipment a lot.
I.
And you know, every once in awhile you get a head scratcher,
but most of the time somebodyelse out, that many people has
seen it before.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (13:11):
Yeah,
Trent Manning (13:12):
You know, it's not new.
Any strange things at the golfcourse?
What's some of the strangestthings you've run across?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (13:19):
well, I've had to learn that equipment
don't float.
Trent Manning (13:23):
It doesn't, so it needs more little more.
We've talked to Toro and Deerand Jacobson and see if they can
add some ancy
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (13:31):
Yeah, some.
Yeah.
We've had a few operators that
Trent Manning (13:34):
yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (13:34):
tried to see if they would float and
they don't float.
Trent Manning (13:36):
They don't float.
Yeah.
John BSOs, he was one of theguests early on, and I've never.
F forget him saying this, thatit's amazing what an operator
will do for one blade of grass.
You know, they're just trying toget just a little bit closer to
that lake and then there theygo.
Yeah, we've definitely probablyall seen that if you've been in
(13:59):
the industry more than a year,you've seen a piece of equipment
in the lake.
I can almost guarantee it.
I mean, it just, it
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (14:06):
been lucky.
Ours had, ours didn't go totallyin the water, but they rode it
out and they were pretty closeboth times.
Trent Manning (14:12):
Right.
Yeah.
Well, while I'm thinking aboutit on your 3,500 let's talk it
through here.
What, what's happening with it?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (14:21):
Well, I've switched all the motors out
thinking that maybe it washydraulic or a motor was going
out.
'cause those are supposed to bein series, so that one motor's
weak.
Then you don't get the otherdeck to turn.
We have one deck not cutting.
It's like the front left deck.
Everything else is but themotor's spinning.
The blades turn on normal, butit's like once it gets under a
(14:43):
load.
It stops cutting,
Trent Manning (14:48):
And
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (14:48):
it's
Trent Manning (14:48):
you said which deck?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (14:53):
The front, left, front, left, front,
right, front, right.
If you're sitting in seat, it'sfront, right?
Trent Manning (14:58):
front, right.
Is that the, it's been a minute.
Is that the last one to getflow?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (15:05):
I think it goes, that's what we think.
I think it goes rear left right?
I think that's what it does.
Trent Manning (15:12):
Yeah.
I don't it's been too long sinceI've been into one of those, but
and you've replaced the motor.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (15:17):
I've rotated three motors out.
And you put a new one on too.
Yeah, and it still does it.
I've rotated'em all the wayaround.
I've checked bearings, I'vechecked hoses.
So we're, I think, down to
Trent Manning (15:30):
how old a machine is it?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (15:32):
2009 or 10?
Probably.
Yeah.
It's one of our original, it'sgot a lot of hours on it
Trent Manning (15:38):
I mean, I would definitely pull out the
cartridge valves and see if theO-rings are on there.
And
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (15:44):
because I just put new hoses.
I just put brand new hoses on itthis winter.
All new hoses all the way aroundand we used it probably 10 times
and it never missed a beat andit just started doing this.
Something's gotten a week.
Yeah.
There's somebody, mark, not themechanic, but he said there's a
check valve in there, andsometimes if the check valve
(16:04):
goes bad, that last motor willnot get enough fluid for it to
turn.
Trent Manning (16:09):
Yeah, and that's why I was getting that with the
cartridge valve.
So that's the valve that turnsit on and off.
There's a series of O rings onthat valve and also the check
valve.
There's an O-ring on it thatwhere it can leak internally
and.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (16:25):
Because there's no external leaks on
Trent Manning (16:27):
Right.
Right, right, right.
So yeah, all that happens in thevalve block.
But do y'all have mobile serviceout there in from a distributor
or anybody
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (16:37):
not really.
We got PTP Professional TurfProducts but I think most of
their mobile stuff's down inTexas.
So.
Trent Manning (16:44):
Okay.
I don't, when I work for.
The Toro distributor here in thesouth, we had, I had a flow
meter on the van and all thestuff, so you could roll right
up and hook it up and test itout and see where, if you
wouldn't get in flow or if youwere, or you know, what the deal
was because
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (17:02):
kind of
Trent Manning (17:02):
the Go ahead.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (17:05):
that's kinda like Mark, our old
mechanic at the old course.
He said, take the, takeeverything off and then plug
that return line and thereshouldn't be any fluid coming
out of it.
If there is, then it's blow byand then it's either a motor or
a check valve.
But you shouldn't have hardlyanything in that one return
line.
Trent Manning (17:23):
Right, right, right.
Yeah.
Just, yeah, barely kind ofdribbling out has been my
experience on the return linelike that.
Do you have The service manual?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (17:33):
Yes.
Trent Manning (17:34):
Okay.
All right.
Just
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (17:35):
I haven't dug that far.
I've tried everything I know,but,
Trent Manning (17:38):
yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (17:39):
yeah, it, I'm scratching my head just
a little bit on this one.
Trent Manning (17:42):
Okay.
Well, and I mean, there is a lotof valuable information in the
service manual, and that's why Iasked, just to make sure.
And I do appreciate Toro sharingall that stuff on their website
and make it pretty easy to getto.
where other manufacturers donot, and it is a pain you know,
to try to troubleshoot stuffwithout a map.
(18:02):
So you talked about it a littlebit.
You got a mentor in theindustry?
I,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (18:08):
Me.
Yeah.
Mark.
Mark would be the, yeah.
Yeah.
But I've only known him for twoyears, but I mean, he knows his
stuff,
Trent Manning (18:17):
So, yeah, I mean, what's some of the coolest stuff
that he's taught you?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (18:22):
taught me how to sharp, sharpen reels
and all that stuff.
That was my first experiencewith sharpening reels.
'cause I never knew how to doit, but.
He had it down to a pretty goodscience and they had a pretty
good machine.
There's just little newer thanwhat we have, but ours still
works really good.
Trent Manning (18:37):
Okay.
Awesome.
Yeah.
What kind, are you a grind onlytype of place or do you back
lap?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (18:46):
Well, we, I back lapped with Mark, but
I didn't back LA this year'causeI was just having a little
trouble setting the old machineup compared to the one I had at
Lionsgate.
It was a lot easier to set up.
It's all computerized and.
This one's all digi.
Not that one was digital, butthis one's all manual.
You have to do a lot more to it.
So you're talking about therelief grind?
(19:07):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But we back lap.
Oh yeah.
We back lap in, in betweengrinds.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
We try to yeah,
Trent Manning (19:12):
Yeah.
Yeah, I was just, yeah, justcurious.
I mean, there's all kind ofdifferent, you know, trains of
thought and we're not gonna eexplore those two
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (19:20):
Back lap.
Back lap will last a littlewhile, but that don't normally
fix your problem.
It'll last a while, but it.
They basically go dull again,then you have to take'em off and
put'em in a grinder.
Trent Manning (19:30):
Right,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (19:31):
We do have a little older, I mean, we
have a Foley grinder.
It's a little bit older.
But it's still nice having that.
I mean, kind of like what you'retalking about, it's getting a
lot easier to grind them now.
So back laps becoming, you know,just kind of a temporary thing,
it seems like.
Yeah, it's just as easy to take'em off, put'em in the machine,
and.
(19:51):
They're, you're back to squareone and they're gonna stay sharp
for two or three months insteadof back lapping, and you might
get three weeks out of it andthen you start leaving streaks
again.
Trent Manning (19:59):
Right, right, right.
Yeah.
How often do you check.
Reel to bed knife and that kindof stuff.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (20:06):
I know I put the machines on a lift
every day before they go out andmake sure they're still cutting
paper or whatever, and checkheight.
I try to check height at leastonce a month,
Trent Manning (20:16):
yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (20:16):
it is.
John Deeres go out a littlequicker than Toros.
Trent Manning (20:19):
I don't, I mean, it is true.
It is.
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonnaargue.
That's been my experience too.
And yeah.
Not to to bash on anybody, butthat's definitely,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (20:30):
You can edit that out, right?
Trent Manning (20:32):
yeah.
Yeah.
We could, but we probably won't.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (20:34):
future sponsors here, so
Trent Manning (20:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (20:36):
cut that out.
Trent Manning (20:38):
that's, I mean, there, there's no secrets,
right?
I, we don't keep any secrets.
Not on our side of the industryanyway.
Well, what would be your dreamjob or opportunity?
Is this it?
You living the dream
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (20:52):
I'm living the dream.
Yeah, I am.
Trent Manning (20:55):
work, working with your son and get, getting
the grandkids,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (20:59):
yep.
Just, he just has to rememberthat after two 30, I'm dad.
Trent Manning (21:04):
ah,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (21:05):
six to two 30, he's my boss.
But after that, I'm dad.
Trent Manning (21:08):
uhhuh.
Yep.
Yep.
I'm sure that's could bestruggles at times.
Yeah.
I mean, what's the.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (21:15):
It's really weird.
It's'cause I was just telling amy superintendent today saying
like, I'm probably a really badexample of how to talk to your
mechanic because like with himbeing my dad, you know.
Someone will come to me and saysomething, you know, broke down
or something's wrong on thecourse, and it doesn't bother
me.
But when he comes to me and say,well, you know, the mower's
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down, I'm like, what do you meanthe mower's down?
what it is, but it's just atrigger.
And I growl at him.
I don't even growl at anybodyelse but him when it comes to
anything.
So it's funny.
Trent Manning (21:49):
Well, I don't, I mean it, I mean, yeah, I've
never worked in a job with mydad.
I don't know that I could.
I mean, we get along fine if I'mnot working on something, but
when he is standing over myshoulder telling me, you know,
how to take something apart andI'm like, dad, really?
You know, so
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (22:10):
yeah, it's definitely weird.
Trent Manning (22:12):
Yeah, there's definitely some challenges
there.
For sure.
I mean, I'm still trying tofigure out how to hold the
flashlight where my dad can seewhatever he's
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (22:22):
Oh yes.
Why are you holding it there?
Yeah.
I remember those days when Igrew up as on a farm, so yeah,
dad was always yelling, why areyou holding the light there?
Get it outta my face.
Trent Manning (22:31):
huh.
Hold it so I can see.
Not so you can see that's theone I remember hearing the most.
Yep.
Good stuff.
Well, do you have a technicianyou would like to work with for
a day?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (22:44):
Do I have a technician that I'd like
to work with for day?
Why are you going?
You going?
You coming?
Trent Manning (22:49):
I will, I'll be more than happy to come next
time.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (22:52):
I appreciate that.
I'd love to
Trent Manning (22:53):
I make a trip.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (22:55):
By
Trent Manning (22:56):
is it, you got verification next week or
something?
What?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:00):
Bo did that.
Trent Manning (23:01):
You already did that.
Okay.
Got all the sand
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:04):
tell you what, if I can't figure that
3,500 out I'll have Jake callyou and you can come and help me
sort that out.
Trent Manning (23:10):
Well, I mean, I all jokes aside, you got my
number, you call me.
I'm happy to help any way I canon that kind of stuff.
And if I don't, if I can't helpyou figure it out, I might know
somebody that can.
And I mean, that
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:24):
a guy for that,
Trent Manning (23:25):
Yeah, I do.
I,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:26):
You got a guy for that.
Trent Manning (23:27):
I got a guy for that for sure.
And it's not Jake at State Farm.
It will not be him.
Do y'all have that person onyour crew?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:37):
That person?
What do you mean?
Trent Manning (23:39):
the person that has really bad luck.
The person that always
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:44):
Not we did last year, but not this
year.
Trent Manning (23:47):
All right.
Congratulations
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:49):
I think
Trent Manning (23:50):
con congratulations.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:52):
We got a really good staff, so we are
training a new rough mower injj, so we're gonna, we will find
out if he's that guy.
But so far so good.
Yeah, the guy last year that wehad was a little hard on things,
so, but he'd been in thebusiness for a long time and
setting his ways couldn't gethim to do what you wanted to.
So JJs kind of green.
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He's been one of our part-timehelpers, but I think he's gonna
be fine.
He's a little more cautious.
That's what I want.
Trent Manning (24:21):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
And to I guess that guy, it'snot always their fault, I don't
think.
I don't know if some of it wastheir upbringing, if it's, you
know, lack of attentionsometimes.
You know, I don't know.
I don't think they do stuffintentionally, you know, may,
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maybe it's just pure luck thatthey're the one on the mower the
day that it breaks.
I don't know.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (24:51):
I did have a kid flip a cart on his
first day last year.
Yeah, that was fun.
So.
Trent Manning (24:57):
why don't, yeah, it was a few years ago.
Our superintendent let.
The younger person on, I mean,it was his first summer and he
let him use the superintendent'scart and he flipped it on his
side and he wasn't there muchlonger after that.
It's like, you know, come onkid.
Get with it.
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And I mean, that was the otherthing.
It wasn't just like an accident.
He was like horsing around withthe cart and like trying to turn
the donut and flipped it over onhis side.
And so it's like you're
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (25:29):
just parked on an incline.
We got one hole that to stop andcheck.
The tee just got him an inclineand it was his second day and he
thought he set the brake andwhen he turned around to find
the cart, it'd already launchedoff.
The rocks flipped and it wasMike Art,
Trent Manning (25:42):
of course.
It was the mechanic's card.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (25:43):
So it's, I'm still, it's a work in
progress.
It still drives sideways.
Yeah, but it's drivable.
It's drivable, yeah.
Needs a few new shackles andstuff like that, but it's
drivable.
Trent Manning (25:53):
yep.
Yep.
That's good stuff.
Get ready for tips and tricks.
Tips and tricks.
What do you got you wanna sharewith us?
And it doesn't have to be, itdoesn't have to be, you know,
straight from like golf coursestuff.
Maybe it was something youlearned in HVAC on how to test a
condenser or, you know, I don'tknow.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (26:16):
Now you are putting me on the spot.
Tips and tricks.
I haven't really learned anytricks yet.
I'm kind of a stickler on pm.
Preventing maintenance.
That's one of my pet peeves.
I'm always.
I'm a little, last year I wasreally aggressive on greasing
and I got my butt chewed forthat because I kept leaving
streaks on the greens.
Trent Manning (26:36):
huh.
Yep.
Yep.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (26:38):
Can't, you can't over grease, but you
can when you're in the golfindustry.
Well, we just watched one ofyour YouTube videos today on
like that steel blower.
I'm just in the carburetor.
You know, just simple stuff likethat.
Like
Trent Manning (26:52):
Oh yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (26:53):
That's YouTube has become really handy
as far as, you know, a quick,you know, Hey, I can't figure
out this, you know, b being ayounger guy, but I feel like you
use it a lot too.
Oh, I use, I, I use it a lot.
If I'm trying to take somethingapart, I just watch the video
real quick or trying to hook apiece of equipment up that we've
never had watched the video andsaid, oh, that's how you do it.
(27:14):
Yep.
It, we didn't have that when Iwas growing up.
Trent Manning (27:18):
Right.
Jeff and Jacob Rockho (27:18):
yourself.
Trent Manning (27:20):
Yeah.
Or try to find a book on it orsomething like that.
I remember those days going tothe library.
Geez.
I don't miss that.
I mean, I really, the internethas changed a lot of things for
sure.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (27:31):
Books.
Micro Fish.
You probably
Trent Manning (27:34):
oh yeah.
Definitely.
Remember Microfish.
Yeah.
The guy at the parts counter,you know, pulling
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (27:38):
Yeah.
Get the Micro Fish book.
Yep.
Get the cards out.
Yep.
Trent Manning (27:42):
Yeah.
Has changed a lot.
Yeah, I remember going into, I'mtrying to remember what it was.
It was my dryer kept trippingthe temperature overload sensor.
And this was me when I wasyoung, being really naive and
being sexist honestly.
So I walk in this appliancehouse and that somebody
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recommended like, oh, go there.
They got they know what's goingon.
So I walk in and I see twoladies behind the counter, and
you know, like I said, reallynaive.
I put my head down and I'm like,okay, great.
Couple women in here.
And I have the part in my handand I get halfway to the
(28:28):
counter.
I'm still 25 feet away.
And she said, that's awful.
Maytag.
Such and such.
Such and such.
That's part number, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah.
How many of those you need?
And I mean, I ain't even made itto the counter yet, so I mean,
she totally blew my mind.
I'm like, okay, yeah, okay, thisis legit.
They know what's going on inhere.
Like, yeah, I'll take one ofthose.
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Yeah, I mean, just, it'samazing, you know, once you're
in the industry for a while andall the experience you pick up
and all that knowledge thatstays in your brain.
It's, you know, it's cool stuff.
So how do you test a capacitoron a condenser unit?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (29:13):
What, how do you text a capacitor A
meter?
Trent Manning (29:17):
What?
Right, right.
Volt meter.
And then you turn it to what?
What do
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (29:22):
turn it to s
Trent Manning (29:23):
you turn it to?
Ohms.
And you're just checkingcontinuity.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (29:28):
how many micro farrows are on it?
Trent Manning (29:31):
Okay.
All right.
I'm with you.
I've done it before, but like,how many of these golf course
technicians know how to do that?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (29:39):
Does get quite a bit of calls up to
the clubhouse to work on AC orYeah.
Trent Manning (29:43):
sure.
Oh, yeah.
Yep.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (29:45):
Yeah.
I've worked on air conditionersand stuff.
Ice machines, cooler.
Yeah.
Cooler lines and yeah,
Trent Manning (29:51):
yeah.
Yep.
Yeah I mean it happens I thinkall over the place, but it's
probably shame on you forletting them know that you had
HVAC
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (30:02):
his fault, not
Trent Manning (30:03):
Yeah.
Okay.
Not your fault.
Yeah, I don't, and
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (30:07):
if I.
Trent Manning (30:08):
the older I get the more I kind of try to hide
that from random people.
Like what I do know what to do.
You know, when they're like,yeah, my lawnmower.
Okay.
Yeah, your lawnmower.
What?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Good luck with that.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhol (30:24):
neighbor ask me tonight about the
sprinkler system in their yard.
I was like,
Trent Manning (30:27):
Well, right.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (30:29):
getting around.
It's.
Trent Manning (30:30):
yep.
You gotta be careful with thatstuff you do.
Because I mean, ti honestly,time is really valuable and
before you know it, you know,you've volunteered your whole
life away.
To your neighbor or you know,the person down the road or
whoever it might be,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (30:46):
But what is it about in our
industry, we all like to helptoo.
You know, we say that, but thenit's like, we're not, we're
never gonna say no,
Trent Manning (30:54):
Well, and that's, I mean, that's something I guess
I've really been working on thelast 5, 6, 10 years is like,
just say no.
It's really okay to say no, butlike you said, it's so hard.
So hard to say no.
'cause you just wanna say, yeah,I'll help you.
And yeah, a week later you stillgot stuff to do,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (31:15):
Yeah.
Trent Manning (31:15):
you know?
And that's,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (31:17):
Yeah.
Words travel fast.
Yeah.
Trent Manning (31:20):
yes, it does.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (31:20):
Once it, once they find out, yes.
Well then the wife goes, well,you help everybody else.
Why don't you help?
Help around the house, you know?
Trent Manning (31:27):
Yeah.
Yep.
No I understand that too.
You know.
It's just like, yeah, like bothmy girls driving and Yeah.
Or am I doing everything ontheir cars?
I probably should be.
No, sorry.
Sorry girls.
You know, I'm not gonna leaveyou stranded somewhere.
I'll come pick you up, but I,you know, I don't wanna be your
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personal mechanic either.
I mean, that's been, you know,that's been some fun, funny
stories too.
Like it costs that much to get atire fixed.
Yeah, it does, honey.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (31:57):
And it does.
Trent Manning (31:58):
Yeah, it sure does.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (31:59):
Yep.
Trent Manning (32:00):
Yeah.
What'd you start to say there?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (32:02):
I said, no shade cube mechanics no more
like it used to be.
Trent Manning (32:06):
Right, right, right.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (32:07):
could fix everything.
There wasn't no computers.
It was easy to fix.
Yep.
Trent Manning (32:12):
True.
True.
And like you said with theYouTube thing, I mean, if I am
working on my personal vehicleor one of my girls.
Vehicles.
That's the first place I goYouTube.
I'm like, is there a video onhow to do this?
Or, you know, whatever.
I pulled a engine out of a HondaCivic, basically would buy a
YouTube video, you know, and Imean, obviously I've been
(32:35):
turning wrenches a while andhave some knowledge, but I did
watch the video you know, to geta little insight on what all's
involved in getting this thingout.
And I actually, I watch multiplevideos and every one of them.
Said, pull it out the bottom.
But me being the person I am, Isaid, no, I'm taking it out the
(32:57):
top.
And I did I did cut the firewalla little bit, but it came out so
you know, I mean, yeah, live andlearn.
I guess the next one will comeout of the bottom.
Yeah, they don't give you verymuch room there.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (33:12):
No, and you got everything else
underneath there, rack and pinand steering.
Gotta move, all that stuff.
if you come out the top, there'snothing to block you but a hood.
Trent Manning (33:20):
Right.
Well, I had the hood off, soanyway, it was not fun.
Not fun.
Anything else y'all wanna talkabout before we get to some
rapid fire?
No.
Anything?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (33:32):
No.
No, not really.
Trent Manning (33:34):
Not really.
Nothing.
Nothing come up.
Nothing.
Do you want, do you wanna callJacob out right now on,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (33:42):
Not really.
No.
Trent Manning (33:43):
a podcast?
Where he can't really defendhimself?
No, I think it, I mean,honestly, I think it's great
that y'all's relationship,obviously, you get along well
enough to work together, and I'msure it's not peaches all day
long, every day.
But super cool experience.
And I would think you'll get tolook back on that at some point
(34:04):
and say, man, how lucky was Ito, you know, to work with
somebody like that?
You know, a family member thatyou get along with and all the
memories you'll be making,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (34:17):
Yeah, right now we're just, you know,
you live day to day.
We don't think about, don'tthink about the sentimental of
it all that much, but you know,now that you say that, it's
like, yeah, kind of chokes youup a little bit.
But yeah.
But,
Trent Manning (34:32):
not trying to choke anybody up, but I think
one day you'll both reallyappreciate the time you gotta
spend together.
For sure.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (34:40):
Talk about the wrench, the wrenches
that we've thrown and not ateach other.
Trent Manning (34:43):
Yeah, hopefully not.
Hopefully not at
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (34:45):
We've both had our little hissy fits.
Trent Manning (34:48):
Well, yeah, I mean it, yeah, it's, it happens,
and I don't, I've been, I'vesaid this for a long time,
nobody can make you more angrythan a family member.
I don't know why.
You know, perfect stranger couldsay whatever to me and be all
right, whatever.
Jeff and Jacob Rockho (35:04):
Whatever, right?
Trent Manning (35:05):
yeah.
But you let a family member,especially, you know, like my
dad says, just the right thing.
I mean, and it's not even thatbad, but it just gets under my
skin so deep you know, I can'tlet it go.
So anyway, y'all wanna do somerapid fire?
(35:27):
Yeah we'll do we'll tag team it.
So I'll ask the question, Jeffcan answer and then Jacob
answers and let's see
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (35:35):
what's
Trent Manning (35:35):
how close you are.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (35:36):
we, you picking the category or do we
get to pick the category?
Trent Manning (35:39):
Well, no the, there's three questions and
they're the same for everybody.
So what's your favorite movie?
First or last?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (35:48):
First
Trent Manning (35:48):
First?
All right, love it.
Jacob.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (35:52):
ca
Trent Manning (35:53):
Ah, you gotta say it right?
You gotta go with Caddy Sackand, I mean, it's such a
classic.
It really is.
I mean, it is a great movie andI loved Caddy Shack before I
ever started working at a golfcourse.
You know, that was good stuff.
What would be your last meal?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:07):
rib steak.
Trent Manning (36:09):
A, anything to go with that?
Ribeye steak.
How are we getting it cooked?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:13):
fresh green beans.
Trent Manning (36:14):
All right.
I love, yeah.
Some homemade green beans.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:17):
Oh, yes.
That don't get no better.
Trent Manning (36:20):
That's right.
Exactly right.
Jacob.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:23):
grandma Spaghetti, it's famous.
Trent Manning (36:25):
Oh, all right.
Spaghetti.
Yes.
I love it.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:28):
gotta make it though.
You know, she al she makes itspecial.
Trent Manning (36:32):
Okay.
Yeah, that's good stuff.
What are you most proud of,besides your family, but I feel
like this is kind of a familyepisode, so can we just talk
about family then you can
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:43):
Just proud of, I'm proud of both of
my kids.
My other son's in the air guard,so
Trent Manning (36:48):
Awesome.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:50):
he's a flight engineer.
Trent Manning (36:52):
Cool.
Cool.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:53):
Yeah, I know.
I'm proud of, I guess, and whereI'm at right now, I'm just proud
of my two young kids, you know,raising'em up and just seeing'em
grow.
You're already seeing stuff thatyou're instilling in'em.
It's just cool to see.
Trent Manning (37:06):
No, it's, yeah, it's so good.
And I don't know how many peopletold me when my kids were
little, like they grow up sofast, they grow up so fast.
And I thought, well, you know,there's been a bunch of people
tell me that.
I'm sure they're right, but youstill don't realize it until
they grow up and then you'relike, dang, they were right.
(37:27):
They grew up so fast.
Like, where did all the time go?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (37:32):
my daughter, my youngest daughter,
she's she'll be two this summer,but it's like, I saw a picture
the other day from when wedelivered her and I was like, it
feels like five years ago,
Trent Manning (37:42):
Yeah, I know.
You just wait, man.
Yeah.
Wait till they turn.
15 or 20.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (37:48):
Like I was pretty tired in that
delivery room, but I, that wasfuzzy
Trent Manning (37:52):
yeah.
Right, right.
No, that's crazy, man.
Crazy.
Crazy.
Well, thank you both for forjoining me tonight.
And yeah, we had a little trialand error, but we finally got
here.
I was sick and then I don'tremember what happened the next
time we couldn't make it.
And then here we are, though.
Third time's the charm,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (38:12):
I appreci.
I appreciate everything.
Yes.
Trent Manning (38:15):
Yeah.
And honestly, if I can ever helpin the future you got my number.
I'm happy to help.
And like I said.
If I don't know the answer Imight know somebody that does.
And that, that goes, you know,for anybody listening too, I
think my phone number's on thewebsite, I know I get random
text all the time.
Like, hello dear.
like, yeah who sends that?
(38:35):
Right?
come on, you could come up withsomething better than that.
Yeah.
So anyway but yeah, I'm here foryou.
Thank you.
I appreciate you.
And y'all have a good evening.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (38:49):
You too.
Trent Manning (38:55):
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Welcome to The Reel Turf TechsPodcast, episode 1 45.
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Today we're talking to JeffRockhold, equipment Manager at
Stone Canyon Golf Club in BlueSprings, Missouri.
And his son, director ofAgronomy, Jacob Rockhold.
CGCS.
Stone Canyon is a public 18 holecourse.
They have mostly deer and Toroequipment.
Welcome to a Special Father'sDay episode.
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We're talking to our firstfather and son duo with a
certified golf coursesuperintendent son and his
equipment manager dad, who's newto the industry.
Find out how Jacob got his dad,Jeff, into the shop, and what
Jeff thinks about his secondcareer in the turf industry
after a long career in HVAC andmaybe one too many crawlspaces.
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Let's get into the interview.
Welcome Jeff and Jacob to theReal Turf Text podcast.
Thank you both for being on thisepisode's gonna be a little bit
different but I think it's gonnabe cool and fun and interesting
and I appreciate you both beinghere.
I.
And we're gonna start with Jeff,tell us how you got into the
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turf industry.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (02:19):
Oh I worked at HVAC.
I did air conditioning for like11 years and got to be too old
to be crawling around in crawlspaces.
So somebody offered me a betteropportunity.
Trent Manning (02:30):
Okay.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (02:31):
I.
Trent Manning (02:32):
But you're still young enough to crawl around on
turf equipment.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (02:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not in a crawl space
Trent Manning (02:39):
No I understand.
Yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (02:40):
where it's 110 degrees.
Trent Manning (02:43):
Yeah, I don't wish that on anybody.
My dad has a crawlspace andyeah, I have to change his
filter.
Yeah.
Not fun.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (02:50):
That's where his furnace is at in the
crawl space.
Yeah.
Those are not fun.
Trent Manning (02:54):
No, it, yep.
Yeah, the last one they got putin is a friend of mine that done
the work and he put in one ofthe super thick filters, so I
only gotta change it once a yearversus doing that once a month.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (03:07):
Once a month.
Yeah.
Then five inch filters are,they're good filters.
Trent Manning (03:10):
Okay.
That's good to know.
That's good to know.
So it was it, Jacob, that gaveyou your start in
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (03:17):
Yes.
Trent Manning (03:18):
the turf industry.
So let's hear that story.
How'd that come about?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (03:24):
He, he just offered me a job.
He thought I didn't need to becrawling around in crawl spaces
anymore.
Then when he, the guy thattrained me has been doing it for
30 years.
So I had a good mentor.
I'd always wanted to have himcome work for me eventually.
He is kind of just always been agoal of mine when I became a
superintendent.
and we had.
(03:46):
Opportunity, a spot on our staffthat opened up a full-time
position and at the time itwasn't for mechanic.
It was just, I wanted him to bemy rough mower, you know, kind
of semi-retired job, a loteasier on him for his health and
all that.
But just so happened that thecourse that we were at the time,
(04:07):
the mechanic Mark Williams, heis one of my mentors, but he's a
really good guy, but he washaving some health issues and
over the winter my dad washelping him in the shop.
And when he went down with somehealth issues, he kind of just
stepped up to the plate and wasfilling in for him and.
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Mark ended up being gone forpretty much the whole summer and
my dad took over and did afantastic job.
Just so that's where it all kindof started.
Yep.
Trent Manning (04:41):
Well, if you can get one summer under your belt
you're official and then, likewe were talking about, you've
experienced top dressing.
So yeah, welcome to the clubman.
You're here, you're doing it.
You're doing it.
Living the dream with the restof us.
Well, what is what's one of yourfavorite parts of the job since
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you're relatively new to this?
I
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (05:05):
Oh I like to get out of the shop and
actually go run the equipmentafter I've worked on'em.
It gives me satisfaction to knowthat I knew what I was doing
when I put'em together.
I.
Trent Manning (05:14):
Oh yeah.
No, it can definitely be veryrewarding.
Is your least favorite part ofthe job?
Top dressing?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (05:22):
Yeah,
Trent Manning (05:23):
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Does,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (05:26):
He loves to help out.
So it's really interesting'causeI, like, I told him the other
day, I was like, Hey man,you're, they'll take this wrong
way, but it's time for you tostart turning some wrenches.
I know you want to help us mowand stuff, but we got some work
that we gotta get some mowersback going and stuff like that.
So.
I always gotta get him back inthe shop, so
Trent Manning (05:45):
Well, that's good too.
I mean, I think it's a goodtrade and that's what most of
the people that I interview say,is.
It's the variety of what we getto do, you know, no.
Two days is the same.
We're not standing on anassembly line, putting, you
know, part A and slot B and allthat, just all day long.
Yeah, we have some stuff we haveto do over and over again, but.
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It's not too monotonous.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (06:11):
I've done the, I've done the factory
thing.
I've built seats and I've builtradiators, so I know what that's
like
Trent Manning (06:17):
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
No
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (06:18):
in my younger days.
Trent Manning (06:20):
yeah.
No, that's good stuff.
What's what's your favoritetool?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (06:25):
My favorite tool.
Speed wrenches.
Trent Manning (06:28):
okay.
Speed wrench.
So yeah, what is the speedwrench?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (06:32):
Huh.
It's a wrench.
That's instead of an open endwrench or a boxing wrench.
It's ratted, so you don't haveto keep working your bolts.
It's like having a socket.
Trent Manning (06:44):
Okay.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Nice.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (06:46):
tool.
Trent Manning (06:47):
Yeah, no su super handy.
And I don't, I'm trying toremember.
I wanna say the first one ofthose I bought was probably late
nineties or something when thosecame out, or, I mean, maybe they
come out before then, but thatwas.
First time I was introduced andit was a traveling salesman that
would come by once a month orwhatever.
And he worked for fosters Ithink, which is similar to
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Lawson or Kimball Midwest orsomething like that.
I don't know.
I don't know if they're stillaround or not, but he had a set
and they weren't very mucheither.
And I still got that same set,you know, whatever, 25 years
later still going.
Yeah.
Made by Gear Wrench too.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (07:27):
Yeah.
That's gear wrench.
Yeah, that's what we have.
Gear wrenches.
They're good sets.
Snap-on makes a good set too,but they're a little more
pricey.
Trent Manning (07:34):
they're a lot more pricey.
Let's don't, you know, sugarcoatthat they're a lot
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (07:38):
must keep the superintendents and
stuff outta your toolbox.
'cause
Trent Manning (07:43):
yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (07:43):
we're always grabbing stuff outta his.
So,
Trent Manning (07:46):
Yep.
No I definitely have my toolboxwith my tools and the guys that
help me in the shop, I let themuse it.
The stuff outta my toolbox, butI still, you know, gripe at them
each day.
Like, you didn't put this backin the right spot.
There is a
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (08:00):
You got a checklist on your toolbox.
Keep a checklist on yourtoolbox.
Trent Manning (08:04):
That's, that would be a really good idea for
sure.
Well, what do you do to relax orfind your balance?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (08:11):
spend time with the grandkids.
Trent Manning (08:13):
Okay.
That's a smart answer.
Since, you're there at theirhouse.
Right.
You gotta be doing that.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (08:18):
and I have motorcycle, so I de-stress
riding my bike.
Trent Manning (08:22):
okay.
Nice.
Do you get to bring thegrandkids to the golf course?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (08:29):
I do every once in a while.
I they're getting to the age nowwhere it's getting a little bit
easier to bring'em, and it's notso much of a chore that they can
kind of go play and we couldstill be productive.
But the last couple years it'sbeen kind of tough bringing'em
because it's just, you gottagive all their attention to
them.
So, or someone does.
Yeah, someone does.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I normally, he brings them andthen I have to watch him in the
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shop while he goes work,
Trent Manning (08:51):
Well, you know, that's okay.
That's all right.
That's a fair trade off though.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (08:57):
thank God for TV and videos.
Trent Manning (08:59):
yeah.
Right.
I remember, so I got two girlsand yeah, they're almost grown
now, so 17 and 20.
But when they were little, youknow, and I, yeah, I probably
waited till they were at leastfive before I started bringing
them.
And the youngest one, she wouldgo with me like every weekend
almost, and hang out, set mowersup.
(09:22):
I mean, I got pictures of herdoing that, you know, riding the
equipment, lift up and down.
Driving a golf cart around, youknow, just all the things.
And I think it's really coolthat kids can grow up that way.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (09:34):
Yeah.
Yeah, they love it.
They love it for sure.
Trent Manning (09:37):
Yep.
Well, I met my sister.
Go ahead.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (09:41):
he's into monster trucks and
excavators and all that, so it'sa heyday when he comes to the
course, so.
Trent Manning (09:49):
Well, my sister brought my nephew to the course
a few years ago.
He was, I think five at thetime.
And, you know, he's a typicalboy, end up all that stuff and
he jumps out of her car and he'sjust like looking around like
tractors, diggers, you know, Imean, naming all this stuff off.
He like, didn't know which wayto go.
He was so excited.
(10:09):
He is like, you know, go aroundin a circle trying to see what
he wanted to get on first.
Well, what's been one of yourbiggest challenges to date?
Jeff and Jacob Rockh (10:19):
Challenges to From on equipment, you
Trent Manning (10:21):
yeah.
Or just in working at the golfcourse in general, it's Jacob
putting out too much sand.
What, you know, whatever thechallenge is.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (10:30):
Oh, we hadn't had any challenges to
this golf course.
Not like we've had before.
I mean, this is a littledifferent golf course than we
were at before, so thechallenges aren't as strong as
we were before, but.
Just maintenance in, in general?
Trent Manning (10:45):
So just the day-to-day stuff can be kind of.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (10:50):
We still got, he's, I mean, we come
up with different stuff everyday.
Like, you know, like the 3,500right now we're dealing with,
it's cutting.
It's cutting weird.
So we think we got some issueswith the hydraulic, so it's.
It's been kind of, you know, I'mgrowing with him too.
We're you know, to go throughthe equipment and we, something
new comes up other than a reelgoing out or something like
that.
(11:10):
I mean, that's kind of, wehaven't had anything pretty
dramatic, but we kinda have towork through it together.
And I'm really good at takingstuff apart.
He's got the patience to put itall back together, so it's a, he
takes it apart pretty quick.
You gotta be watching her.
Maybe he don't remember the wayit went back together.
Trent Manning (11:28):
Yeah.
Yep.
That's I mean, that's one of thethings that, that you have to
learn too though, is Yeah,getting stuff apart.
So when you do face a challenge,like you're talking about with a
3,500 and you're not sureexactly what the problem is,
where do you go?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (11:44):
I call Mark
Trent Manning (11:46):
Okay.
Yeah.
Fair
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (11:47):
our local sales rep's really good.
So we try to call them to see ifwe can bounce off any ideas.
So I.
But We've called Mark to ourprevious mechanic.
Yeah, so we've called him quitea bit.
He's got, I mean, he's probably35 years of experience now, so
he's he's a good resource tohave too.
So, and he's been, he's alwaysworked on red, so that's what we
(12:09):
have problems with as a redsometimes.
He knows all the tricks on whatto fix on the Toros.
Trent Manning (12:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (12:16):
he's about done everything there is
to do on any Toro.
Trent Manning (12:19):
It's it's always good to have those resources
handy, and from my experience,most of the people in our
industry are more than willingto help,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (12:32):
Oh yes.
Always.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Trent Manning (12:34):
down the road, or you know, or whatever.
You can call about anybody, andthey'll help you out any way
they can.
And I see it every day.
We got the WhatsApp group, sobig group of technicians,
there's like 150 of us in there.
And that's what happens everyday.
Somebody, Hey, have you seenthis before?
And the, you know, there'sanother guy that says, yeah,
(12:55):
I've seen that like 10 times.
You know, but I mean, it's just,it's common problems that happen
with equipment a lot.
I.
And you know, every once in awhile you get a head scratcher,
but most of the time somebodyelse out, that many people has
seen it before.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (13:11):
Yeah,
Trent Manning (13:12):
You know, it's not new.
Any strange things at the golfcourse?
What's some of the strangestthings you've run across?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (13:19):
well, I've had to learn that equipment
don't float.
Trent Manning (13:23):
It doesn't, so it needs more little more.
We've talked to Toro and Deerand Jacobson and see if they can
add some ancy
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (13:31):
Yeah, some.
Yeah.
We've had a few operators that
Trent Manning (13:34):
yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (13:34):
tried to see if they would float and
they don't float.
Trent Manning (13:36):
They don't float.
Yeah.
John BSOs, he was one of theguests early on, and I've never.
F forget him saying this, thatit's amazing what an operator
will do for one blade of grass.
You know, they're just trying toget just a little bit closer to
that lake and then there theygo.
Yeah, we've definitely probablyall seen that if you've been in
(13:59):
the industry more than a year,you've seen a piece of equipment
in the lake.
I can almost guarantee it.
I mean, it just, it
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (14:06):
been lucky.
Ours had, ours didn't go totallyin the water, but they rode it
out and they were pretty closeboth times.
Trent Manning (14:12):
Right.
Yeah.
Well, while I'm thinking aboutit on your 3,500 let's talk it
through here.
What, what's happening with it?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (14:21):
Well, I've switched all the motors out
thinking that maybe it washydraulic or a motor was going
out.
'cause those are supposed to bein series, so that one motor's
weak.
Then you don't get the otherdeck to turn.
We have one deck not cutting.
It's like the front left deck.
Everything else is but themotor's spinning.
The blades turn on normal, butit's like once it gets under a
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load.
It stops cutting,
Trent Manning (14:48):
And
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (14:48):
it's
Trent Manning (14:48):
you said which deck?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (14:53):
The front, left, front, left, front,
right, front, right.
If you're sitting in seat, it'sfront, right?
Trent Manning (14:58):
front, right.
Is that the, it's been a minute.
Is that the last one to getflow?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (15:05):
I think it goes, that's what we think.
I think it goes rear left right?
I think that's what it does.
Trent Manning (15:12):
Yeah.
I don't it's been too long sinceI've been into one of those, but
and you've replaced the motor.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (15:17):
I've rotated three motors out.
And you put a new one on too.
Yeah, and it still does it.
I've rotated'em all the wayaround.
I've checked bearings, I'vechecked hoses.
So we're, I think, down to
Trent Manning (15:30):
how old a machine is it?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (15:32):
2009 or 10?
Probably.
Yeah.
It's one of our original, it'sgot a lot of hours on it
Trent Manning (15:38):
I mean, I would definitely pull out the
cartridge valves and see if theO-rings are on there.
And
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (15:44):
because I just put new hoses.
I just put brand new hoses on itthis winter.
All new hoses all the way aroundand we used it probably 10 times
and it never missed a beat andit just started doing this.
Something's gotten a week.
Yeah.
There's somebody, mark, not themechanic, but he said there's a
check valve in there, andsometimes if the check valve
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goes bad, that last motor willnot get enough fluid for it to
turn.
Trent Manning (16:09):
Yeah, and that's why I was getting that with the
cartridge valve.
So that's the valve that turnsit on and off.
There's a series of O rings onthat valve and also the check
valve.
There's an O-ring on it thatwhere it can leak internally
and.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (16:25):
Because there's no external leaks on
Trent Manning (16:27):
Right.
Right, right, right.
So yeah, all that happens in thevalve block.
But do y'all have mobile serviceout there in from a distributor
or anybody
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (16:37):
not really.
We got PTP Professional TurfProducts but I think most of
their mobile stuff's down inTexas.
So.
Trent Manning (16:44):
Okay.
I don't, when I work for.
The Toro distributor here in thesouth, we had, I had a flow
meter on the van and all thestuff, so you could roll right
up and hook it up and test itout and see where, if you
wouldn't get in flow or if youwere, or you know, what the deal
was because
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (17:02):
kind of
Trent Manning (17:02):
the Go ahead.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (17:05):
that's kinda like Mark, our old
mechanic at the old course.
He said, take the, takeeverything off and then plug
that return line and thereshouldn't be any fluid coming
out of it.
If there is, then it's blow byand then it's either a motor or
a check valve.
But you shouldn't have hardlyanything in that one return
line.
Trent Manning (17:23):
Right, right, right.
Yeah.
Just, yeah, barely kind ofdribbling out has been my
experience on the return linelike that.
Do you have The service manual?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (17:33):
Yes.
Trent Manning (17:34):
Okay.
All right.
Just
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (17:35):
I haven't dug that far.
I've tried everything I know,but,
Trent Manning (17:38):
yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (17:39):
yeah, it, I'm scratching my head just
a little bit on this one.
Trent Manning (17:42):
Okay.
Well, and I mean, there is a lotof valuable information in the
service manual, and that's why Iasked, just to make sure.
And I do appreciate Toro sharingall that stuff on their website
and make it pretty easy to getto.
where other manufacturers donot, and it is a pain you know,
to try to troubleshoot stuffwithout a map.
(18:02):
So you talked about it a littlebit.
You got a mentor in theindustry?
I,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (18:08):
Me.
Yeah.
Mark.
Mark would be the, yeah.
Yeah.
But I've only known him for twoyears, but I mean, he knows his
stuff,
Trent Manning (18:17):
So, yeah, I mean, what's some of the coolest stuff
that he's taught you?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (18:22):
taught me how to sharp, sharpen reels
and all that stuff.
That was my first experiencewith sharpening reels.
'cause I never knew how to doit, but.
He had it down to a pretty goodscience and they had a pretty
good machine.
There's just little newer thanwhat we have, but ours still
works really good.
Trent Manning (18:37):
Okay.
Awesome.
Yeah.
What kind, are you a grind onlytype of place or do you back
lap?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (18:46):
Well, we, I back lapped with Mark, but
I didn't back LA this year'causeI was just having a little
trouble setting the old machineup compared to the one I had at
Lionsgate.
It was a lot easier to set up.
It's all computerized and.
This one's all digi.
Not that one was digital, butthis one's all manual.
You have to do a lot more to it.
So you're talking about therelief grind?
(19:07):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But we back lap.
Oh yeah.
We back lap in, in betweengrinds.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
We try to yeah,
Trent Manning (19:12):
Yeah.
Yeah, I was just, yeah, justcurious.
I mean, there's all kind ofdifferent, you know, trains of
thought and we're not gonna eexplore those two
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (19:20):
Back lap.
Back lap will last a littlewhile, but that don't normally
fix your problem.
It'll last a while, but it.
They basically go dull again,then you have to take'em off and
put'em in a grinder.
Trent Manning (19:30):
Right,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (19:31):
We do have a little older, I mean, we
have a Foley grinder.
It's a little bit older.
But it's still nice having that.
I mean, kind of like what you'retalking about, it's getting a
lot easier to grind them now.
So back laps becoming, you know,just kind of a temporary thing,
it seems like.
Yeah, it's just as easy to take'em off, put'em in the machine,
and.
(19:51):
They're, you're back to squareone and they're gonna stay sharp
for two or three months insteadof back lapping, and you might
get three weeks out of it andthen you start leaving streaks
again.
Trent Manning (19:59):
Right, right, right.
Yeah.
How often do you check.
Reel to bed knife and that kindof stuff.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (20:06):
I know I put the machines on a lift
every day before they go out andmake sure they're still cutting
paper or whatever, and checkheight.
I try to check height at leastonce a month,
Trent Manning (20:16):
yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (20:16):
it is.
John Deeres go out a littlequicker than Toros.
Trent Manning (20:19):
I don't, I mean, it is true.
It is.
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonnaargue.
That's been my experience too.
And yeah.
Not to to bash on anybody, butthat's definitely,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (20:30):
You can edit that out, right?
Trent Manning (20:32):
yeah.
Yeah.
We could, but we probably won't.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (20:34):
future sponsors here, so
Trent Manning (20:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (20:36):
cut that out.
Trent Manning (20:38):
that's, I mean, there, there's no secrets,
right?
I, we don't keep any secrets.
Not on our side of the industryanyway.
Well, what would be your dreamjob or opportunity?
Is this it?
You living the dream
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (20:52):
I'm living the dream.
Yeah, I am.
Trent Manning (20:55):
work, working with your son and get, getting
the grandkids,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (20:59):
yep.
Just, he just has to rememberthat after two 30, I'm dad.
Trent Manning (21:04):
ah,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (21:05):
six to two 30, he's my boss.
But after that, I'm dad.
Trent Manning (21:08):
uhhuh.
Yep.
Yep.
I'm sure that's could bestruggles at times.
Yeah.
I mean, what's the.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (21:15):
It's really weird.
It's'cause I was just telling amy superintendent today saying
like, I'm probably a really badexample of how to talk to your
mechanic because like with himbeing my dad, you know.
Someone will come to me and saysomething, you know, broke down
or something's wrong on thecourse, and it doesn't bother
me.
But when he comes to me and say,well, you know, the mower's
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down, I'm like, what do you meanthe mower's down?
what it is, but it's just atrigger.
And I growl at him.
I don't even growl at anybodyelse but him when it comes to
anything.
So it's funny.
Trent Manning (21:49):
Well, I don't, I mean it, I mean, yeah, I've
never worked in a job with mydad.
I don't know that I could.
I mean, we get along fine if I'mnot working on something, but
when he is standing over myshoulder telling me, you know,
how to take something apart andI'm like, dad, really?
You know, so
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (22:10):
yeah, it's definitely weird.
Trent Manning (22:12):
Yeah, there's definitely some challenges
there.
For sure.
I mean, I'm still trying tofigure out how to hold the
flashlight where my dad can seewhatever he's
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (22:22):
Oh yes.
Why are you holding it there?
Yeah.
I remember those days when Igrew up as on a farm, so yeah,
dad was always yelling, why areyou holding the light there?
Get it outta my face.
Trent Manning (22:31):
huh.
Hold it so I can see.
Not so you can see that's theone I remember hearing the most.
Yep.
Good stuff.
Well, do you have a technicianyou would like to work with for
a day?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (22:44):
Do I have a technician that I'd like
to work with for day?
Why are you going?
You going?
You coming?
Trent Manning (22:49):
I will, I'll be more than happy to come next
time.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (22:52):
I appreciate that.
I'd love to
Trent Manning (22:53):
I make a trip.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (22:55):
By
Trent Manning (22:56):
is it, you got verification next week or
something?
What?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:00):
Bo did that.
Trent Manning (23:01):
You already did that.
Okay.
Got all the sand
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:04):
tell you what, if I can't figure that
3,500 out I'll have Jake callyou and you can come and help me
sort that out.
Trent Manning (23:10):
Well, I mean, I all jokes aside, you got my
number, you call me.
I'm happy to help any way I canon that kind of stuff.
And if I don't, if I can't helpyou figure it out, I might know
somebody that can.
And I mean, that
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:24):
a guy for that,
Trent Manning (23:25):
Yeah, I do.
I,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:26):
You got a guy for that.
Trent Manning (23:27):
I got a guy for that for sure.
And it's not Jake at State Farm.
It will not be him.
Do y'all have that person onyour crew?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:37):
That person?
What do you mean?
Trent Manning (23:39):
the person that has really bad luck.
The person that always
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:44):
Not we did last year, but not this
year.
Trent Manning (23:47):
All right.
Congratulations
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:49):
I think
Trent Manning (23:50):
con congratulations.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (23:52):
We got a really good staff, so we are
training a new rough mower injj, so we're gonna, we will find
out if he's that guy.
But so far so good.
Yeah, the guy last year that wehad was a little hard on things,
so, but he'd been in thebusiness for a long time and
setting his ways couldn't gethim to do what you wanted to.
So JJs kind of green.
(24:14):
He's been one of our part-timehelpers, but I think he's gonna
be fine.
He's a little more cautious.
That's what I want.
Trent Manning (24:21):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
And to I guess that guy, it'snot always their fault, I don't
think.
I don't know if some of it wastheir upbringing, if it's, you
know, lack of attentionsometimes.
You know, I don't know.
I don't think they do stuffintentionally, you know, may,
(24:45):
maybe it's just pure luck thatthey're the one on the mower the
day that it breaks.
I don't know.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (24:51):
I did have a kid flip a cart on his
first day last year.
Yeah, that was fun.
So.
Trent Manning (24:57):
why don't, yeah, it was a few years ago.
Our superintendent let.
The younger person on, I mean,it was his first summer and he
let him use the superintendent'scart and he flipped it on his
side and he wasn't there muchlonger after that.
It's like, you know, come onkid.
Get with it.
(25:18):
And I mean, that was the otherthing.
It wasn't just like an accident.
He was like horsing around withthe cart and like trying to turn
the donut and flipped it over onhis side.
And so it's like you're
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (25:29):
just parked on an incline.
We got one hole that to stop andcheck.
The tee just got him an inclineand it was his second day and he
thought he set the brake andwhen he turned around to find
the cart, it'd already launchedoff.
The rocks flipped and it wasMike Art,
Trent Manning (25:42):
of course.
It was the mechanic's card.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (25:43):
So it's, I'm still, it's a work in
progress.
It still drives sideways.
Yeah, but it's drivable.
It's drivable, yeah.
Needs a few new shackles andstuff like that, but it's
drivable.
Trent Manning (25:53):
yep.
Yep.
That's good stuff.
Get ready for tips and tricks.
Tips and tricks.
What do you got you wanna sharewith us?
And it doesn't have to be, itdoesn't have to be, you know,
straight from like golf coursestuff.
Maybe it was something youlearned in HVAC on how to test a
condenser or, you know, I don'tknow.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (26:16):
Now you are putting me on the spot.
Tips and tricks.
I haven't really learned anytricks yet.
I'm kind of a stickler on pm.
Preventing maintenance.
That's one of my pet peeves.
I'm always.
I'm a little, last year I wasreally aggressive on greasing
and I got my butt chewed forthat because I kept leaving
streaks on the greens.
Trent Manning (26:36):
huh.
Yep.
Yep.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (26:38):
Can't, you can't over grease, but you
can when you're in the golfindustry.
Well, we just watched one ofyour YouTube videos today on
like that steel blower.
I'm just in the carburetor.
You know, just simple stuff likethat.
Like
Trent Manning (26:52):
Oh yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (26:53):
That's YouTube has become really handy
as far as, you know, a quick,you know, Hey, I can't figure
out this, you know, b being ayounger guy, but I feel like you
use it a lot too.
Oh, I use, I, I use it a lot.
If I'm trying to take somethingapart, I just watch the video
real quick or trying to hook apiece of equipment up that we've
never had watched the video andsaid, oh, that's how you do it.
(27:14):
Yep.
It, we didn't have that when Iwas growing up.
Trent Manning (27:18):
Right.
Jeff and Jacob Rockho (27:18):
yourself.
Trent Manning (27:20):
Yeah.
Or try to find a book on it orsomething like that.
I remember those days going tothe library.
Geez.
I don't miss that.
I mean, I really, the internethas changed a lot of things for
sure.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (27:31):
Books.
Micro Fish.
You probably
Trent Manning (27:34):
oh yeah.
Definitely.
Remember Microfish.
Yeah.
The guy at the parts counter,you know, pulling
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (27:38):
Yeah.
Get the Micro Fish book.
Yep.
Get the cards out.
Yep.
Trent Manning (27:42):
Yeah.
Has changed a lot.
Yeah, I remember going into, I'mtrying to remember what it was.
It was my dryer kept trippingthe temperature overload sensor.
And this was me when I wasyoung, being really naive and
being sexist honestly.
So I walk in this appliancehouse and that somebody
(28:07):
recommended like, oh, go there.
They got they know what's goingon.
So I walk in and I see twoladies behind the counter, and
you know, like I said, reallynaive.
I put my head down and I'm like,okay, great.
Couple women in here.
And I have the part in my handand I get halfway to the
(28:28):
counter.
I'm still 25 feet away.
And she said, that's awful.
Maytag.
Such and such.
Such and such.
That's part number, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah.
How many of those you need?
And I mean, I ain't even made itto the counter yet, so I mean,
she totally blew my mind.
I'm like, okay, yeah, okay, thisis legit.
They know what's going on inhere.
Like, yeah, I'll take one ofthose.
(28:49):
Yeah, I mean, just, it'samazing, you know, once you're
in the industry for a while andall the experience you pick up
and all that knowledge thatstays in your brain.
It's, you know, it's cool stuff.
So how do you test a capacitoron a condenser unit?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (29:13):
What, how do you text a capacitor A
meter?
Trent Manning (29:17):
What?
Right, right.
Volt meter.
And then you turn it to what?
What do
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (29:22):
turn it to s
Trent Manning (29:23):
you turn it to?
Ohms.
And you're just checkingcontinuity.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (29:28):
how many micro farrows are on it?
Trent Manning (29:31):
Okay.
All right.
I'm with you.
I've done it before, but like,how many of these golf course
technicians know how to do that?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (29:39):
Does get quite a bit of calls up to
the clubhouse to work on AC orYeah.
Trent Manning (29:43):
sure.
Oh, yeah.
Yep.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (29:45):
Yeah.
I've worked on air conditionersand stuff.
Ice machines, cooler.
Yeah.
Cooler lines and yeah,
Trent Manning (29:51):
yeah.
Yep.
Yeah I mean it happens I thinkall over the place, but it's
probably shame on you forletting them know that you had
HVAC
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (30:02):
his fault, not
Trent Manning (30:03):
Yeah.
Okay.
Not your fault.
Yeah, I don't, and
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (30:07):
if I.
Trent Manning (30:08):
the older I get the more I kind of try to hide
that from random people.
Like what I do know what to do.
You know, when they're like,yeah, my lawnmower.
Okay.
Yeah, your lawnmower.
What?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Good luck with that.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhol (30:24):
neighbor ask me tonight about the
sprinkler system in their yard.
I was like,
Trent Manning (30:27):
Well, right.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (30:29):
getting around.
It's.
Trent Manning (30:30):
yep.
You gotta be careful with thatstuff you do.
Because I mean, ti honestly,time is really valuable and
before you know it, you know,you've volunteered your whole
life away.
To your neighbor or you know,the person down the road or
whoever it might be,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (30:46):
But what is it about in our
industry, we all like to helptoo.
You know, we say that, but thenit's like, we're not, we're
never gonna say no,
Trent Manning (30:54):
Well, and that's, I mean, that's something I guess
I've really been working on thelast 5, 6, 10 years is like,
just say no.
It's really okay to say no, butlike you said, it's so hard.
So hard to say no.
'cause you just wanna say, yeah,I'll help you.
And yeah, a week later you stillgot stuff to do,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (31:15):
Yeah.
Trent Manning (31:15):
you know?
And that's,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (31:17):
Yeah.
Words travel fast.
Yeah.
Trent Manning (31:20):
yes, it does.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (31:20):
Once it, once they find out, yes.
Well then the wife goes, well,you help everybody else.
Why don't you help?
Help around the house, you know?
Trent Manning (31:27):
Yeah.
Yep.
No I understand that too.
You know.
It's just like, yeah, like bothmy girls driving and Yeah.
Or am I doing everything ontheir cars?
I probably should be.
No, sorry.
Sorry girls.
You know, I'm not gonna leaveyou stranded somewhere.
I'll come pick you up, but I,you know, I don't wanna be your
(31:47):
personal mechanic either.
I mean, that's been, you know,that's been some fun, funny
stories too.
Like it costs that much to get atire fixed.
Yeah, it does, honey.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (31:57):
And it does.
Trent Manning (31:58):
Yeah, it sure does.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (31:59):
Yep.
Trent Manning (32:00):
Yeah.
What'd you start to say there?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (32:02):
I said, no shade cube mechanics no more
like it used to be.
Trent Manning (32:06):
Right, right, right.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (32:07):
could fix everything.
There wasn't no computers.
It was easy to fix.
Yep.
Trent Manning (32:12):
True.
True.
And like you said with theYouTube thing, I mean, if I am
working on my personal vehicleor one of my girls.
Vehicles.
That's the first place I goYouTube.
I'm like, is there a video onhow to do this?
Or, you know, whatever.
I pulled a engine out of a HondaCivic, basically would buy a
YouTube video, you know, and Imean, obviously I've been
(32:35):
turning wrenches a while andhave some knowledge, but I did
watch the video you know, to geta little insight on what all's
involved in getting this thingout.
And I actually, I watch multiplevideos and every one of them.
Said, pull it out the bottom.
But me being the person I am, Isaid, no, I'm taking it out the
(32:57):
top.
And I did I did cut the firewalla little bit, but it came out so
you know, I mean, yeah, live andlearn.
I guess the next one will comeout of the bottom.
Yeah, they don't give you verymuch room there.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (33:12):
No, and you got everything else
underneath there, rack and pinand steering.
Gotta move, all that stuff.
if you come out the top, there'snothing to block you but a hood.
Trent Manning (33:20):
Right.
Well, I had the hood off, soanyway, it was not fun.
Not fun.
Anything else y'all wanna talkabout before we get to some
rapid fire?
No.
Anything?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (33:32):
No.
No, not really.
Trent Manning (33:34):
Not really.
Nothing.
Nothing come up.
Nothing.
Do you want, do you wanna callJacob out right now on,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (33:42):
Not really.
No.
Trent Manning (33:43):
a podcast?
Where he can't really defendhimself?
No, I think it, I mean,honestly, I think it's great
that y'all's relationship,obviously, you get along well
enough to work together, and I'msure it's not peaches all day
long, every day.
But super cool experience.
And I would think you'll get tolook back on that at some point
(34:04):
and say, man, how lucky was Ito, you know, to work with
somebody like that?
You know, a family member thatyou get along with and all the
memories you'll be making,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (34:17):
Yeah, right now we're just, you know,
you live day to day.
We don't think about, don'tthink about the sentimental of
it all that much, but you know,now that you say that, it's
like, yeah, kind of chokes youup a little bit.
But yeah.
But,
Trent Manning (34:32):
not trying to choke anybody up, but I think
one day you'll both reallyappreciate the time you gotta
spend together.
For sure.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (34:40):
Talk about the wrench, the wrenches
that we've thrown and not ateach other.
Trent Manning (34:43):
Yeah, hopefully not.
Hopefully not at
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (34:45):
We've both had our little hissy fits.
Trent Manning (34:48):
Well, yeah, I mean it, yeah, it's, it happens,
and I don't, I've been, I'vesaid this for a long time,
nobody can make you more angrythan a family member.
I don't know why.
You know, perfect stranger couldsay whatever to me and be all
right, whatever.
Jeff and Jacob Rockho (35:04):
Whatever, right?
Trent Manning (35:05):
yeah.
But you let a family member,especially, you know, like my
dad says, just the right thing.
I mean, and it's not even thatbad, but it just gets under my
skin so deep you know, I can'tlet it go.
So anyway, y'all wanna do somerapid fire?
(35:27):
Yeah we'll do we'll tag team it.
So I'll ask the question, Jeffcan answer and then Jacob
answers and let's see
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (35:35):
what's
Trent Manning (35:35):
how close you are.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (35:36):
we, you picking the category or do we
get to pick the category?
Trent Manning (35:39):
Well, no the, there's three questions and
they're the same for everybody.
So what's your favorite movie?
First or last?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (35:48):
First
Trent Manning (35:48):
First?
All right, love it.
Jacob.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (35:52):
ca
Trent Manning (35:53):
Ah, you gotta say it right?
You gotta go with Caddy Sackand, I mean, it's such a
classic.
It really is.
I mean, it is a great movie andI loved Caddy Shack before I
ever started working at a golfcourse.
You know, that was good stuff.
What would be your last meal?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:07):
rib steak.
Trent Manning (36:09):
A, anything to go with that?
Ribeye steak.
How are we getting it cooked?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:13):
fresh green beans.
Trent Manning (36:14):
All right.
I love, yeah.
Some homemade green beans.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:17):
Oh, yes.
That don't get no better.
Trent Manning (36:20):
That's right.
Exactly right.
Jacob.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:23):
grandma Spaghetti, it's famous.
Trent Manning (36:25):
Oh, all right.
Spaghetti.
Yes.
I love it.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:28):
gotta make it though.
You know, she al she makes itspecial.
Trent Manning (36:32):
Okay.
Yeah, that's good stuff.
What are you most proud of,besides your family, but I feel
like this is kind of a familyepisode, so can we just talk
about family then you can
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:43):
Just proud of, I'm proud of both of
my kids.
My other son's in the air guard,so
Trent Manning (36:48):
Awesome.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:50):
he's a flight engineer.
Trent Manning (36:52):
Cool.
Cool.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (36:53):
Yeah, I know.
I'm proud of, I guess, and whereI'm at right now, I'm just proud
of my two young kids, you know,raising'em up and just seeing'em
grow.
You're already seeing stuff thatyou're instilling in'em.
It's just cool to see.
Trent Manning (37:06):
No, it's, yeah, it's so good.
And I don't know how many peopletold me when my kids were
little, like they grow up sofast, they grow up so fast.
And I thought, well, you know,there's been a bunch of people
tell me that.
I'm sure they're right, but youstill don't realize it until
they grow up and then you'relike, dang, they were right.
(37:27):
They grew up so fast.
Like, where did all the time go?
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (37:32):
my daughter, my youngest daughter,
she's she'll be two this summer,but it's like, I saw a picture
the other day from when wedelivered her and I was like, it
feels like five years ago,
Trent Manning (37:42):
Yeah, I know.
You just wait, man.
Yeah.
Wait till they turn.
15 or 20.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (37:48):
Like I was pretty tired in that
delivery room, but I, that wasfuzzy
Trent Manning (37:52):
yeah.
Right, right.
No, that's crazy, man.
Crazy.
Crazy.
Well, thank you both for forjoining me tonight.
And yeah, we had a little trialand error, but we finally got
here.
I was sick and then I don'tremember what happened the next
time we couldn't make it.
And then here we are, though.
Third time's the charm,
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (38:12):
I appreci.
I appreciate everything.
Yes.
Trent Manning (38:15):
Yeah.
And honestly, if I can ever helpin the future you got my number.
I'm happy to help.
And like I said.
If I don't know the answer Imight know somebody that does.
And that, that goes, you know,for anybody listening too, I
think my phone number's on thewebsite, I know I get random
text all the time.
Like, hello dear.
like, yeah who sends that?
(38:35):
Right?
come on, you could come up withsomething better than that.
Yeah.
So anyway but yeah, I'm here foryou.
Thank you.
I appreciate you.
And y'all have a good evening.
Jeff and Jacob Rockhold (38:49):
You too.
Trent Manning (38:55):
thank you so much for listening to the Reel turf
techs podcast.
I hope you learned somethingtoday.
Don't forget to subscribe.
If you have any topics you'dlike to discuss, or you'd like
to be a guest, find us onTwitter at Reel turf techs.
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