Episode 152: 2025 U.S. Open Recap with John Borsos

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episode 1 52.
Today I'm sitting down with JohnBorsos and we're gonna do a
little recap of the US Open.
We were both, uh, fortunateenough to volunteer at Oakmont
for the US Open and what anexperience it was.
So much fun, met so many goodpeople, and, hope you enjoy the

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episode.
Welcome John to the Real TurfText podcast.
How you doing, John?

John Borsos (01:57):
I'm doing good.

Yeah, you're doing good.

Yeah.
Hanging in there.

The man,

coming to an end.

the man, the myth, the legend.
J cdot, that's what it is.
Yes.

so that what Kruger said, I think that's what Kruger
said.
Tim,

what did he say?

I think he said the man that met the legend when he
took a selfie with me at theopen

Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Is that the first time y'allhave met?

I think somehow it was the first time we met in
person.
I don't know how that waspossible, but I think we just
miss each other at the big show,

Mm-hmm.

I assume, because I know, like I don't, because I
think it was the first time wemet in person.

I don't, he's one of those, I don't see a whole
lot at the big show.
I know he is there

Yeah.
It

and I know he is busy running around and
sometimes you'll, you know, givehim a high five or something on
the trade show floor, and that'sabout it.
He's, uh, but this past year inSan Diego, Georgia, and the
Carolinas, we had our dealtogether.
So I did get to see him there.
Um, he's an awesome guy.

Yeah.

Really good.
Um, and one thing I alwaysappreciate every time, you know,
I've been at Ttac for the lasthowever many five, five years or
so, um.
He makes a special trip over towhere Ttac, the technician
association for the people thatdon't know, um, where they're
doing their education and youknow, its at a different venue.

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But anyway, he comes over thereto tell all the technicians
thank you, and he appreciatesus.
And if our boss does notappreciate us, let him know.
You know, give him a call andtalk to him.
I mean, it's just, you know,it's cool that he goes out of
his way to, uh, thank thetechnicians and I've always
really appreciated that abouthim.

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And I think that says a lotabout him and his character.

definitely.
Super nice guy.

So what are we doing here?
We're gonna do a US open recap.
Um, we'll see.
Maybe the wheels fall off ofthis thing.
Um,

What, what we can remember, even

yeah.
Well we can,

but like it was what, oh,

two months ago.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's see.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Two months, a little over twomonths ago.
Um, yeah, I can't believesummer's almost over.

Yeah.
Well it's crazy because like aweek before the open we had like
our last frost, the Mondaybefore, I think it was James had
gotten there, what, the Sundaybefore?
Like two weeks.
'cause he was

Yeah.
Yeah.
He was there advance week and

yeah.
So he got the feel pretty muchthe end of our spring and then
our summer hit like right after.

Oh, wow.
Okay.
Well, that's cool.

it was like, I was like, you can go, almost all
seasons might snow here later,but

Get the, the full

always good for that.
Yeah.

Yeah.
What day did you get over?
Was it Sunday?
The first volunteer day?

Yeah, Sunday was like, what?
Like four o'clock I think.

Yeah.
Yeah.
Something like that.
Yeah.

Yeah.

I think James got in Yeah, the Saturday, like a
week prior.
Yeah.

he was there for advance week.
Yeah.

Which was, I mean, it was awesome that, uh,
they brought him over and he gotto spend all that time and meet
all the people.
Um, super nice dude.
Uh, yeah.
Yeah.

He is so much fun.

yeah.
Yeah, he was, he was a lot offun.
Um, yeah, I got in Saturday, Igot, I mean, about noon, I
guess.
I took the early flight out ofAtlanta, straight to Pittsburgh
and caught an Uber and, um, gotover there and, you know, it was
one of those things, it's likeOakmont, you know, you've heard

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all these stories and all thesethings and it is a really
impressive facility, but it'sanother golf course, you know, I
mean, I don't know what I wasexpecting, I guess, but, um.

and the layout's interesting'cause you have the,
the inter um, well turnpikesplitting it

Oh yeah.
That was so

right down the middle and it's, it's so weird
because when you're on thecourse, you don't even realize,
like the turnpike is there.
Like every so often you hear atractor trailer go by or that
train that's down there, butlike when you're standing there,
you look across, you don'treally notice that there's an
interstate like down below you.

Yeah,

weird, but it's definitely interesting.
Interesting layout.

yeah.
No, su super cool and yeah, Iguess it used to be 36 holes

Yeah.
E the east course.
Um,

Mm-hmm.

so like where the tent, the big merchandise tent
was, I think that's over wherethe east course was.
And then whenever.
I mean, I don't take this forword, I just hearsay through the
Oakmont.
Like people I think likewhenever they committed to so
many opens is when like prettymuch they made A-U-S-G-A like

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headquarter type deal where theyjust moved everything over into
there.
So

Okay.

they abandoned, abandoned the east course.

Yeah, I think they still had maybe a nursery
over there.
I think I drove by and some, afew small things going over
there.

Me and Tommy were over there the one day, and I'm
sure we were somewhere weweren't supposed to be.

That's easy to,

the lady wrote our names down on a piece of paper.
I'm like, I don't know.

that's easy to do with Tommy though.
Yeah.
I don't, I know I've told thestory a few times.
I don't know if I told it onhere or not, but when Tommy was
at Pine Valley and I went tovisit him, um, and he gave me a
tour around the course.
He drives up and I don'tremember what hole we were on
but he drives up on the back teebox and, you know, we're looking

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at the hole and he's talkingabout, you know, how long it is
or whatever.
And he makes a left turn andgoes off the tee box.
And I thought I was coming outtathe front of the side by side.
We were on, and I mean, I washolding on for dear life and
he's like, oh man, I thoughtthere was a path there.
And I mean, it was just likestraight down this hill, it's

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like, you're gonna kill me.
And he said, I could have sworethere was a path there.
So we've been joking about thatever since.
You gotta be careful with him.

I don't think there was any major incidents with
people driving off anythingthat.
The open that I know of, that Iheard of,

No, I didn't hear about it.
There was, yeah, there is some,like some blind spots.

Yeah,

Yeah.
Not, yeah.

Went over the hill.

all

do remember that one sitting there.
Yeah.

Coming back and forth.

It's like the amount of people moving around
in there is insane.
Just like the traffic.
And it's its own little city.

Well, yeah, and I don't, you know, all the days
kind of run together because ourstart time was what,

Was it four?

4 30?

So I

don't, I'm,

'cause I think I had to get to the the shuttle
spot by three.
'cause we had we got there by Ithink three 30, right?

that's sounds right.
'cause I was riding with Sethand we were leaving the hotel at
three 30 and it was about a 15minute drive or something like
that over, um, yeah.
And then quit time, was I don'tknow when, I mean that one
night.
We were there super late.

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I, you might have already left,but we were

well, yeah,

rollers with water.

yeah, I had to catch the bus back and I was
like I don't wanna leave youguys, but

Yep.

go.
or, I'm sleeping here in thismaker here.
But yeah that's only the badthing was like not being on a
park, on property and like,where the shop, at the end of
the day we were still workingwhile everyone was coming in and
getting ready to leave.
Like we were still working past,like where they were working.
So the shuttle was leaving andthey're coming to find me every,

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I'm like, listen, I'm in theshop guys.
If you need me to leave, justyell in there and say, Hey, we
gotta go.

Oh

we're busy checking mowers and doing whatever, and
like we lose track of timereally quick in the shop.

Oh yeah.
So easy to do.
Um, yeah.
Super easy to lose time.
Go back through my pictureshere.
A minute, but, um, I forgotwhere I was going with that,
about the days running togetherand it's hard to keep track,
but, you know, we were drivingin, or I was riding with Seth

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and where we were normallyturning in, like I said, I don't
remember what day it was.
If it was Monday or Tuesday orwhatever, there was like a gate
up and the whole shop's blockedoff and you couldn't turn in
there anymore.
I don't, it was pretty crazy.

Can't remember what day they did that.
It

yeah, and I don't know if it was the first day of
the tournament or started likeon Tuesday, but the, what was
it?
The first, uh, to, during allthe practice rounds, they had
the truck set up close to theshop of, you know, ping and
Callaway and all them.

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Yeah.
And they all pulled out onWednesday, I think.
And I guess they set up for the,just for the golfers, if they
need to make a change or need anew club or whatever, they're
all set up ready to go,

That's

is the first time I'd ever experienced that.
And I've volunteered for quite afew CER tournaments, so I don't
know where they do that at othertournaments where they have that
set up.
But I'm sure it's, you know,very similar.
And I don't remember if it wasme and you or who I was talking
to, but it was like, uh, youknow, when I used to race, SACA,

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the Hooser truck would alwaysshow up.
You know, he's putting tires onthe whole race, you know, and he
travels from race to race orwhatever.
So I guess kind of the samething

tune it up before the, yeah,

Yeah.
If they need a little tuneup ontheir clubs.

the tournament starts, I guess they can't
change anything, I would assume,right?

Yeah, that would be my guess too.
I don't know that for sure, butthat, that would make sense.
Yeah.
You, you play with what you got.

yeah, we work in golf, but we have no clue.

Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
I mean, we don't play,

what's, everyone's like asking me like, oh, do you
see this person?
You do this person.
I'm like, listen, if it wasn'tTiger Woods, Neil Shipley, I'm
like I don't know who they are.

right.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.

like, oh, I can't believe you're not into golf.
I'm like, I am, but not in thatway.

Yeah.
And I enjoy watching like the USOpen or,

yeah.

Augusta, you know, I try to watch the majors
and that's about it.
That's about my

at the grass,

Yep.
Well, and that's the thing.
I mean, that's what I'm reallywatching.
I'm not necessarily watching thegolfers, but looking at the
course conditions,

Yeah.
It's so weird.
That's what we do every day.

Yeah, so why would we do something else when
we turned the TV on a Saturdayor Sunday to golf?
Still gotta look at courseconditions.
Um, what was one of the coolerthings or what was something
interesting that you saw duringthe tournament that you hadn't
seen before or you thought wasneat or any of those things?

Ooh, that's a good question.
I gotta go back to my memorybank here.
Well, so like a normal day forme.
It's checking 30 reels to see somany reels go through the place
as quickly as they did was kindof crazy.

Oh yeah, that was nuts cause.

was like insane.

When, if you want to get an idea, go to our
YouTube channel and check outthe time lapse that we did, you
know, checking all the mowersout because yeah, I mean
there's, I don't know how manywalk mowers they had.

like I said, I don't like, I don't even know
how many were there, like forgreens

yeah.

Not including, uh, the team

then tees and approaches and yeah.
I mean, they had so many walkmowers and then all the fairway
mowers.
Yeah, just crazy amount ofmowers

Hold on a second.
I got a door open.
It.

there.

Sorry, Kat was trying to be on a podcast

Ah, that's all good.
Let

Right here's Creek.
Creek.
I'm like, what is going on backhere?
Well, yeah, there was so manyreels and just the, how many
people were there and like theorchestration of getting
everybody out to where theyneeded to be and back in before
play started, like I was outthere for the amateur and it was

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one thing, but like this waslike a whole nother level
because how many people werelike, what was it, 200 and some
people volunteers.

well, don't, I heard over 200.
I was kind of thinking there waslike one 50 there, tournament
week

yeah, I don't

and you know, 50 advance week or something like
that.
But I mean, that's a lot to.
A lot to wrangle 150 people.
Yeah.
And all the carts.
And all the mowers and who'sgoing where and what hole is
this?
And you they

We had our little experience what was that Monday?
Going out, doing bunkers andcall our name.
You're like, where am I going?
Everyone's just runs out thedoor.
You're like, we're not used tothat.
We go to the shop

well, yeah.
'cause we'd been going to theshop and then Yeah, our names
get called to go rank bunkers.
And I'm like, what?
Rick Bunkers, I

where do we even go?

30 years.
I don't know how to rake abunker.

But yeah, it was like, how is people that like,
have even never been throughthat experience.
Like I said, I was there for theamateur, so I kind of had an
idea, but it wasn't that manypeople, so it was a little
easier to know where you weregoing to where this, they ran
outta the door and like youdidn't know if they made a left
or right.
'cause you didn't see them.

Right, right, right.
Yeah, it was definitely, uh,confusing.

I ran into the boss.
I'm like, so I know I'm withyou.
Where are we going?

Well, that, yeah, that helped out too, that your,
uh, boss was working there

yeah.

and he worked there prior.
Right.

He was there 10 years prior to coming to us, I
believe, because I'm pretty surehe intern and then he was, I
guess the assistant, anassistant one, however many they
have.
I don't, I know he did, fromwhat he tells me, it was like he
was over the east course when itwas there and then he like

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irrigation and stuff, so.
He knows more about the coursethan I ever will just get the
tidbits of it.

That was something else I found
interesting is.
You had the superintendent,which was the head person in
charge.
Then you had a director ofagronomy that was under the
superintendent, and I'd neverseen that before.
It's opposite, like at everyother place I've seen.
So I don't know exactly

yeah.
I don't know

what the idea was behind that, but it

don't know how that works out.
Yeah,

yeah.
Good for them.
You get that title right?
Director of Agronomy at Oakmont.
Wow.
You put that on my resume.
Go anywhere?

Yeah, it's definitely interesting.
They have a culture there andthem guys like, they turn out
some good people.
I mean,

oh yeah.
Yeah

it's crazy.

Well, that was something on one of the banners
in the break room was, or the, Iguess it was equipment storage
that they turned into thevolunteer break room.
The standard is the standard.
And they talked about that, likewhatever you create, that's the
standard and that's what it is.

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Yeah, I don't know.
Just, it's definitely adifferent culture there.
It's really special what theyhave there.
I mean, it's definitely adifferent place.

oh yeah.
They definitely get some stuffdone when they need to.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it was impressive for sure.

I mean, had what had to cut gauges show up
overnight?

right, right.
Yeah.

we had one and we had what, three or four?
I'm like, okay.

Yep.
That's what happens.
You call up and say, it'sOakmont.
I need these.
Then they're there.

I think they were wr Did they end up wrangling up
rollers?
I know they were looking forsome, I dunno if anyone ever,
they ever showed up or notbecause they were looking for
more rollers.

More rollers?
That I don't know.

Yeah.
It was crazy.

I remember, uh, filling the rollers up with
water one night.
That's about all I remember.
Doing with the rollers.
What else?
Oh, all the electric stuff Ithought was cool too.
I electric backpack blowers andall that kind of stuff.
I don't know how well it worked,but,

you know, I mean, I know they went through a lot of
batteries, turnover.
I mean, I don't I don't evenknow how many batteries they
even had there.
I just know which ones werecharged.
Which one are charged.
The K top bottom.
Let's, we just had, like I said,like the.
The whole system going to whereit was just like a blur of what
was coming in and what was goingout.

Well, yeah, like every shift people would Yeah.
Drop off dead batteries.
Pick up charge batteries andYeah, I don't, there was

I don't know if they were taking extras with
them or not.
I don't even know.
I assume so.
I don't

yeah, I don't know for sure either.

So I mean, I seen them out there running them, but
like so much going on at oncethat trying to focus on what
they were doing while you'retrying to focus on what you were
doing was kind of hard

yeah.
Yeah.
I wanna say what I saw him doingthe most of with the blowers is,
uh, fluffing the rough.

for

Yeah, the rough

Yeah.

Um, something

I would not want.

yeah, something else I never knew that you had
to do on a golf course.
But if you have five inch rough.
You know, you gotta fluff it,you know, it's so something I
never thought of.

that was definitely crazy.
And I mean, just walking throughthat rough between like bunkers
was enough of a workout.
I can't imagine like them guyspush mowing

Oh

and then raking it.
Raking it and blowing it and

Well I remember talking to, uh, Ian Christie the
EM there and about the pushmowers, and he's like, well, we
started with 12, then we went to24, then we went to 36, then we
went to 48.
So they had 48 of those push

push mowers.
Yeah.
And they are push mowers, notself repel.

yeah, not self rappel.
You were pushing this thing.
And I think it was Massport wasthe name brand or something like
that.

May, Mayport, Massport.
Massport.

I thought it was a mass port, but,

Mayport.

Yeah, I'd never seen these, but I mean, it's
like the simplest push mower youcould ever think about.
I mean, it's an engine and ablade.

I'm ready to buy'em for work because

yeah,

pretty good

why don't I do remember, uh, Ian and some of
the other guys walking aroundwith extra wheels and, uh, you
know,

well I guess there was the big wheels.
He had said that they don't liketo be thin, put on their side.
I think they got'em off Amazon'cause like they needed a ton of
them think is what he saidbecause'cause he pretty much
said yeah, they're China wheels,so they're not the best.

Well, I don't remember what the max height of
that mower is, but yeah, theybought larger diameter wheels to
put on there to make it evenhigher.
To get up to, to cut.
And before we got on heretalking, I was showing you some
of the pictures.
They had their John Deere, uh,9,000 and nines, they had made

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special brackets for the rollersso the deck would sit higher.
And then when they done that,they had to put like a skirt
around the deck.
So the blade would suck thegrass up and cut it.
So yeah, I mean, it is justcrazy all the stuff that those
guys had to go through to have aUS open

Yeah.

and the course conditions.
I mean, it's amazing how hard itis.
You take these golfers that arethe best in the world and
they're struggling to break par,you know, and then they go to
these other courses and they're10 under, you know, so that's,
that says a lot for thechallenge of Oakmont.

it's crazy.
It just.
I mean, I said seeing everybodygo out there and cut everything
that quick and then I mean thereisn't like a plate of grass out
of place.
Like when we're done come backin, it's like insane.
Except for the out of play, outof bounds areas.
That was wild seeing like fromlike Monday morning till Tuesday

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morning how fast with likepeople walking to public walking
around how fast those out ofbounds areas like turned and
died off.

Oh

it was like insanity, how fast that
happened,

yeah.
If you think foot trafficdoesn't hurt grass, just go to a
major tournament and see whereeverybody walks.
I mean, you see it, you know, ontv, on any of these.
They have the crossings for allthe spectators.
I mean, it just destroys some

for, it is crazy.
Then like walking through that,like later in the week.
It was weird how like it held somuch water and like where like
you walk somewhere else, therewasn't water.
It was really weird.
Not it wasn't like where yousloshing through it, but like

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the dampness where the grass isall laid over and dead compared
to if you walk through therough, your feet were dry.
You walked over where likespectator for walking and it was
like, still had to do on it.
It was real weird,

That is weird.
I don't think I noticed that.

you know?
I was, it was weird in themorning.

That is crazy.
Um, anything else that you foundinteresting you want to talk
about?
I was looking through, uh, someof my pictures to try to jog my
memory here.
Oh, the, that was something thatI'd not seen before at a
tournament.
When they mowed fairways, theymowed fairways all in one

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direction.
I'd seen, you know, yeah.
Either push or from tee to greenor green to tee or whatever.
I guess all the othertournaments that I have
volunteered at, I wanna say mostof'em were half and half, you
know, light and dark or whateveryou call it.
So I thought that was kind ofinteresting all one direction.

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But when you have that amount ofmowers, you can do that

Yeah,

and that amount of volunteers.

I think I mean like obviously having I don't know
how many people were on oneGreen, like at a time.
I don't even know how manypeople were out like, you know,
at one time on one Green,because I know like when we were
up at nine, that split green upthere, like the practice Green
Nine like standing there waitingfor them to start, everyone's

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kind of getting in a positionand then once they start going
and everyone's just crossing itis wild.
'cause half the guys won't havea headlamp on.
They think it makes it easier tosee, and the other guys are
like, have a headlamp on.
And you have people like, Imean, they're like literally
volunteers.
It's not like they all workthere.
They're, you know, hamo andgreen.
They're, you got people thathaven't done it there until like

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now, then you see'em all justlike a little dance going on the
green.
And it just, that, oh, it justamazes me, like how they do it.
And I especially like whenyou're, you know, say three guys
cutting one green all differentdirections.

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It's like, how are you evenseeing a line on this?
'cause there was no due,

Oh, right, right, right.

it was like, just find your spot.
And like I said, I meanobviously when we moved turning
boards and stuff, like we'd beout there moving, turning boards
and like give them somewhat of aspot to aim for, but.
Instead watching'em.
Guys, like the guys who havedone it for a while with a walk
mower when they turn, just likethe dance of that always amazes

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me.
Just spin it and keep going.
And the guys that like are likenervous about it, you can tell
as they're coming across andgetting ready to turn, they
kinda hesitate.
It's just like you'll be allright.

Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
That is crazy.

It's kinda hard to screw up.
But you go into,

yeah.

the collar or the rough, you're in trouble.

Yeah, for sure.
Well, yeah, let's talk aboutwalk mows for a minute.
And yeah, what kind of crazinessthat was.
'cause they were what,20-year-old Jacobson PGMs,

might have been more than 20.
Oh, I'm thinking more than 20.

than that.
Yeah, maybe older than that.
Um, yeah, it was crazy.
So, and I guess those were 19inch, or, lemme back up.
The original ones I think were19 inch, and then Jacobson had a
22 inch, and somehow they endedup with a bunch of 22 inches,

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but they got the 19 inch reels.
And a 19 inch bed knife and putin the 22 inch mower,

Yeah,

which has to be hard too for the operator on his
overlap.
Yeah.
You know,'cause your bucket's sowide and Yeah.
And trying to figure out wherethat line was and, you know,
they were what?
Double cutting, triple cutting.
Quadruple cutting on somegreens.
I mean, it was crazy the amountof mowing they were doing.

like I said, it was kinda hard to tell how many
people were out there sometimes'cause it just.

Yeah.
Mowing the green.

Yeah, it was, there was a lot going on at once.

Well, yeah, I got a, a picture here.
It was a PGM 19 and that's whatthey were using on greens.
But there's also a PGM 22 thatthey were using for cleanup,
1000 on the approaches, 8,000 ontheir fairways.
And yeah, we kind of skippedover that, but the fairways were

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so tight,

oh

I mean super tight fairways and I don't
remember the hole on the course,but during the practice rounds
they had net over it so theycouldn't hit golf balls from it
'cause it was kind of funnelthat all the balls would end up
down there in the same place.
But yeah, super tight cuts ontheir fairways and then you get
to rough and it's four and ahalf, five inches,

Yeah.

which is crazy.

What were they, what do they have on the what
was it, two sixties on the ts?
Is that what they were using?

Yep.
John Deere,

the two sixties?

I'm trying to, yes, two sixty's on the Ts and
then two 20 SLS on theapproaches.
So the fixed head, John Deeres.
And then they had a couple 25hundreds too.
I don't know what they weredoing with those.
Um,

I don't know because I know we checked them
in and I remember parking themand they were going in line,
like over, I don't know wherethey were going though

it could have been,

with the practice area.
Maybe

maybe

short game practice.

and I'm wondering too if it was like cleanup for
the fairways

It might

because I've seen 'em do that at East Lake.
Use a triplex for the cleanupversus the fairway mower for the
cleanup.

Yeah.
So I don't remember seeing themout there.
I definitely remember seeinglike the 31 hundreds.

yeah.
They were mowing theintermediate and walk pass with
31 hundreds.

Yeah.
I don't remember seeing the thedrive, like the 25 hundreds out
there, but I remember checking'em in, driving around and,

Yeah.
Yeah.
Parking them.

yeah, it's, I'm sitting, I'm like, oh, this
thing's kind of nice.
What the heck?
Where'd this come from?

Yeah.
And I mean, that was something,you know, at every shift, check
all the mowers in and then drive'em around, park'em for the next
shift.
You know, and hopefully you geta nap after, before, uh, the
evening shift starts.
But yeah, definitely some longdays.
But I mean, just the feeling ofbeing there and everything you

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get to experience and all thecool things you get to see, all
the cool people you get to meet.
I mean, it's something else.

yeah.
We had the the shop camaraderiegoing by midweek,

Oh yeah, yeah, for

together.
I think we came outta the gatelike pretty good for the most
part.
But it was like once, like it'scrazy how fast we just all kind
of just knew what needed doneand just did it.
But it's I, we do it every day,but not in that extent.
You know what I mean?
But

Yeah.
Right.

it just kinda like everybody found their place and
just did whatever

It is interesting how that works because you know,
I mean, you've been doing it along time.
I've been doing a long time, andwe can do any of the things that
was being done there.
But you also don't wanna step onthe other guy's toes either.
You know?
This is like, this is your show,

baby.

yeah.
Yeah.
What,

baby.
Can you tell

do you need

me what I wanna do?
Or I'll find what I need to doif you don't tell me what to do.
It's like just everything workedout, but

Yeah.
And it was, uh, it was reallycool just being able to, to fit
in where you could.
And yeah, let's go through, soIan was the head guy.
What was the assistant's name?

Chris?

Chris.
And then court rash was therefrom John Deere.
Who was the other John DeereTech.

Joe.

Yeah, Joe.
I don't remember Joe's lastname.
Sorry Joe.

Joe.
Joe's a rockstar.

yeah, he was a rock star for sure.
And he worked for Revels,

I believe so.

I believe.
Yeah.

Yeah, that'd be our dealer out here.

yeah, as a, as a road tech.
And then of course James Breezeover from the uk, Tommy Richie
who else was in there?
Oh, did you meet?
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
Seth was there for quite awhile.

Sha was it Shane?

yep.
Shane Barnett, I think he wasthere for several days.
I'm trying to remember.
He's in our WhatsApp group.
Kenny, was it Landman orsomething like that?
He was there like Sunday, but Ithink Sunday was his last day.
He worked

okay.
The Vance week.
Okay.

Yep.
And then I think he said he wasmoving to Florida or something.

Yeah.

I was like, you sure?
Sure.
You wanna go from Pennsylvaniato Florida?

I don't blame him.

You don't like him?
Okay.
I don't just

I'm not this fall, winter, spring season.
I'm not all about, I'm notsummer like I was even as hot as
humid as it was this year.
Like I was loving it.

You were loving it.
Yeah.
Well, good for

Gra the grass wasn't.

I'm not that guy.
I don't, maybe I'll move north.
I don't want to be cold either,but,

yeah.
Like I said, like if I can get ajob in Aruba, I'm happy.

well there you go.
Now that's a

85 highs, you know, like seventies lows, breeze all
year round.

I don't know.
I was in, uh, Exuma in TheBahamas last year and yeah, it
was only 85, but it was the mostmiserable 85 I've ever
experienced.

That just a lot different when you're when
you're working first vacation, alittle different.

Yeah, yeah, it is.
Yeah.
Way different.
Yeah, I mean, my shirt just likedripping wet would sweat by noon
and it'd be 82 degrees orwhatever it was like, this is
nuts, and it would rain at anyminute.

Yeah.

You know, you never know.
Okay humidity got high enoughnow it's gonna rain.

it only rained for a little bit though, right?

That's right.
It only rained for a very shortperiod of time.
And then, uh, humidity rightback up.
I don't know.
Just, uh, I'm a mountain guy,I'm a hillbilly, I guess.
I don't know.

And who else is that?
Everybody came through the shop.

Yeah, that was, uh, majority of the people for
sure that worked in there, but,uh, all really good guys and
enjoyed working with'em forsure.

it was a fun time.

Yeah.

he said cutting it up.
I had some shop annex and, well,we won't talk about those, but
it was

Yeah.
You always gotta keep it lightin there.

Yeah.
Like I said I think I commentedone point, I'm like, this is why
they don't want us together

yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

he said it's I mean, definitely a different
atmosphere than your normalday-to-day shop life, you know?
are different than like theirnormal day-to-day shop life.
But like you got that many guysgoing together for that many
hours, it, you're bound to get alittle on a loopy side sometimes

Oh yeah.
But I think yeah, we've donegood to, to keep everything on
the up

pumping up.
Yeah.

just, yeah.
Kind of go with the flow and,you know, this happens and that
happens and that's okay.
We'll, we will get through itand move on to the next thing.
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Shop was pretty big.
I mean, that was a decently bigshop.

Yes.
No, they had a very nice shop.
And it was fairly new

No.
Yeah.
I think what?
23.
2020?
Yeah.
I think

Yeah.
I mean that it was not too oldand I don't, I don't know how
big it was.
So they had two lifts in there.
They had the two end ground lifttables, which were cool.
Um, hydraulic lift tables, thatwas awesome.

Lots of storage

two sets of grinders.
Really tall ceilings too inthere.
So like you're saying for theparts storage, you know, you
needed a ladder to get to thetop couple shelves, which was
cool.
Ton of inventory.
Most snap on I think I've everseen at a golf course.

Yeah.
Well, would Jr

Yeah, good point.
Yeah, I have been to Jr's shop.

The wall of

yeah, but I'm, as I'm assuming, I don't know for
sure, but I'm assuming, and Ididn't ask Ian if the golf
course buys all that, I'mguessing.

so from what I gathered, so Chris's box was to
the left.
And that was his personal box,his personal stuff was to the
left.
I think everything else in theother, like the snap-on boxes,
everything else believe was theshops

Okay.

is from what I understood, because why I,
talking to my need, like usingtools or whatever, and it's oh,
here's is mine, but this ismine.
Make sure it come back,whatever.
But It was like, that's before Igathered on how that setup was,
because I think he said, he waslike, oh, I gotta take a looking
for this.
We're looking for that.
Which is I guess I get with youknow, I've never worked out of
like a shops box per se.

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It's like always been my ownbox.
So like I know where everythingis, like someone needs
something.
I hear them opening drawers, I'mlike, what do you need?
Third drawer, down, top box tothe left?
You know?
It's like I know exactly whereeverything is in

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

to where someone walks up to it.
They're like just while I wasthere, I'm like, okay, where is
this?
Where is that?
Just trying to look for stuff,you know,

Right.
Yeah.
The way I, ours is set up, Ihave my box, my small box
anyway, with all my main stuffthat I keep there.
And then, uh, we do have, uh, ashop box.
So, and you know, I got the twoassistants and they work outta
the shop box.
I use my stuff too.

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You know, anybody on the crew,they go to the shop box, they,
yeah, stay outta my uh, stuff.
And, but when I first startedworking there there was no shop
tools and the mechanic there, hehad his toolbox in there.
And I'll never forget we walk inthe shop and there's one of the

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guys on the crew that's got adrawer open and he says plenty
of choice words, but, uh, moreor of the story was, that's a
good way to get your arm brokeis what he told, told the guy.
Um, he didn't say it quite thatnice.
So it, it is funny.
You gotta gotta be careful otherpeople's tools.

it's interesting dy dynamic at like my shop because
like the people that I led in mybox know they can go in my box.
The people that know not totouch it know not to touch it.
It's kinda weird I mean, it'slike I don't have to say
anything but They know, like youtake something out.
If you don't know where to putit, just set it where I sit

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'cause I'll put it back.
But I like you if you put itback where you got it,

Oh yeah.
Yeah.
And that's,

don't know where it goes, just set it where I sit
and I'll, I know you borrowed itand I'll put it back.

yeah.
And you know, if I loansomething out to one of the crew
people from the crew box, I'mlike, when you bring it back,
just put it on top of the totebox.
We'll put it away.
Because if you put it in thewrong drawer, you might as well
threw it away.
I mean, maybe it ain't quite asbad, but you know, it is gonna
be weeks before I find that.
And I'm gonna be furious lookingfor what I need when I need it,

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and it's not there.
And for all intents andpurposes, it's lost if it's in
the wrong drawer, you know,nobody knows where it is.

where is it?
I, it should be here.
That's like the people that camein and out of oakmont shop, like
grabbing stuff and walking out.
I'm

yeah, right, right.

I'm like okay.
I don't know who you are orwhere you're going with that,
but that would definitely notfly.

Right.
Yeah, I was, uh, I was kind ofsurprised too, um, with
everybody in and out and gettingwhat they needed to, but that's
kind of the way it works withthe shop box too.

yeah.

You know, there's kinda, everything's fair game, I
guess.

Of course.
We did have a selection of toolsout at all times on The lift.

Yes.
Yes, we did.

We're all ready to go.
These eyes right here.
Grab it.

yep.
Whatever.
And I was kind of surprised theguys there, they knew exactly
where, like if they left a toolon the lift, they're like, oh
yeah, that stays over there.
You know, that's where thatgoes.
So

Its place is, everything has its place and

everything has a place.

well, it's it's like my 6 53 it came to us
secondhand, but like low hours,like demo unit.
A weird story, but so the frontroller high adjustment, the lock
for it has always been just abolt, a nine sixteens bolt

Okay.

instead of you know, your little quick
spinning, whatever you want.
Whatever you wanna call it.
So if like my doors are open,like right to the left of where
the adjustment is, or the lockis essentially is a nine
sixteens wrench.
So people come in there and belike, oh, you don't have the

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wrench in there.
I'm like, it's there for areason,

Oh

that.
It's like I literally leave anine sixteens wrench there
because instead of having to goin my box, walk over.
It's like right there, just myAllen wrench for a bed knife
grinder.
It's hidden in the corner thatyou look at it, you don't know
it's there, but it's there.

Okay.
Yeah.
On my bed knife grinder, I tookan eye bolt.
There's a hole over on the lefthand side of the grinder, just,
you know, empty hole.
And I put a, this is like aquarter inch eye bolt.
That I put in there and I keep aT-handle in there, Allen
T-handle for, you know, whateverit is.
Three sixteenths for adjustingthe nut.

The angle.
Yeah.

yeah.
The angle.
And it's there, you know, and ifit's not in that hole, I'm like,
what?
Who took my Allen?
You know?
And don't get me wrong, I'mguilty of laying it on a table
instead of putting it back inthe hole.
It's happened before,

Yeah.

but it's so handy to, you know, have what you need
in its place.
'cause yeah.
Who wants to walk to the toolboxevery time you need to do that?

Yeah, it's not like that big a deal, but it's also
okay, now I gotta search throughmy Allens for that.
Or you know, you know, ninesixteens wrench isn't that hard.
I mean, can't find one.
I got a 14 millimeter, but it'sright there.
I don't have to stop what I wasdoing just to adjust it.

Right.
It's and I don't remember all ofthem, but it's one of the eight
forms of waste in the leansystem and being efficient on
manufacturing.
When I was listening to thatbook motion is one of the waste.
So the less we're moving aroundand we can stay in one place and

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we have everything we need, themore efficient we are.

How often does that happen?

Yeah.
That has not happened.
And

Not our world.

so it is funny, I just, uh, interviewed a guy
last, no, wasn't this pastSaturday, Saturday before.
That's, uh, hopefully gonnastart not tomorrow, but the next
day in the shot with me and Itold him.
His number one task was helpingme keep track of my stuff

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because I don't know what it is.
The older I get, I'm like, wheredid I lay that wrench?
Where did I lay thatscrewdriver?
And I do think a lot of it, andI'm laughing and joking about
this, but I do think a lot of itis a DD and my brain going here,
there and everywhere, and I'vetotally forgot what I was just

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doing two seconds ago, and whereI laid this.

and I don't like, I feel like at the golf course as
a golf course mechanic, that wewe don't really get to focus on
one thing.
Like very rarely are we focusedon one thing that we're like,
you know, we're always pivotingand moving and doing stuff.
And like for us to actually keeptrack of everything that goes

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on.
Like I have a piece of equipmentthat's been pulled apart for, I
don't know how long,'cause I'mwaiting on parts, but that's,
it's a complete disaster as itis, but it's no one's fault
except our own crew.
And like I literally have boltsout of it because I had to tear
it apart to make sure, okay,what else do I need?
You know, tear it down to do myparts list.

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And like literally there's justbolts sitting there.
But I know where every singleone goes, like someone else
looks at it, they're like,there's just a bunch of bolts
there.
Yeah.
But

Right.

I, I don't know if it's like just over the years of
doing this, that you rememberyou grab a bolt, you look at it
okay.
It goes in there.
If I hand you a bolt, you maynot know where it goes, but if
you put it there,

Oh

it's it's weird.

No, it is kinda weird how that works, and I
don't know that everybody hasthat

And

and or if it's something that you develop, like
you're saying, maybe over timeor, you know, when that happens.

I mean, I know I did it on cars, but to me it
wasn't like, well I can't say Ididn't have three engines apart
at one time.
'cause I did because justwaiting on parts, waiting on,
okay, waiting on warranty.
It was crazy.
But once again, it's like I knewwhat went where, but it's like
I, I have like kind of a systemfor that.
When I pulled those apart, likethe bolts kind of went in.

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The holes they came out of,

Yeah.
Yeah.

like, it wasn't like in a can, but like a lot of
times it could have been in acan and I could have picked up,
okay, that's a converter bolt,that's a head bolt, I

It is funny how that stuff

know.

and I mean, I don't know.
I really enjoy, enjoy that too,being able to do that.
And maybe I'll start doing itmore, but I don't take a lot of
pictures when I take somethingapart.
I mean, it's rare that I takepictures

the

and I know that's,

is if I'm pulling a solenoid off, it has like
different color wires going,different terminals.
I'll snap a quick picture'causelike the chance, I'm remembering
with the bar went where, or veryslim.

Yeah, and I mean, I, I get that and I do think
taking pictures is a, a reallygood idea.
And like the young guy that'shelping me in the shop now, I
mean, we took a motor or he didit.
I was there helping a littlebit, but.
He took a motor out of a JohnDeere fairway mower and he done
the whole thing itself.
And I don't know how manypictures he took.

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you know, and that's gonna helphim when it's going back
together.
So it's, it's awesome he didthat.
But same deal.
We ordered the parts and it'sbeen almost a month, and now we
have the parts and now we don'thave the time to do it'cause
we're grinding reels every day,um, because of this grow in, um,
making me want to pull my hairout.

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But that's far

your last

to grow in.
What's that?

You gonna be your last growing.

Yes.
This will be my last grow in.
I can almost guarantee it.

Yeah.

Yep.
Uh, I don't want to do thatagain.
I don't wish it on on anybody.
And I mean, I don't know what itis, is what's making this one
worse than anything elsebecause, I mean, we've.
Built plenty of stuff and grownin plenty of stuff over the
years.
But the construction company wassupposed to be off property July

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1st, and they're telling uslike, this week, hopefully three
more weeks we'll be done.
You know, so that's not reallyconfident that they'll be out in
three weeks, but every daythere's a little more grass and
a little less dirt.
So I am happy about that.
Um, I'm sick of the mud and theshop,

how's that going into the fall for you guys?
Or like growing grass like.

I, I mean, it's working out.
So all the warm season stuff isdown and for whatever reason
we're doing all the cool seasongrass in house, that was not
part of the contract.
Yeah, so we're seeding all that,however, and we don't have much

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more left to seed.
So most, all the fine fescue hasbeen seeded.
We got, you know, a couple moreacres to go or something.
So that kind of worked out forour fav favor really, because we
couldn't have seeded that inJuly.
I,

Yeah.

The other thing is a bunch of the bunker
complexes, or the bunker facesare supposed to be fine fescue,
and you can't get that side fromMay to September.
So now we're able to get thatside, we can finish those bunks.
Um, so I mean, it's all, it'sworking out, but just ready for

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it to be over with.
That's it.
Just ready?
Yep.
Back to normal.
Yeah.
I never thought I'd say, man,I'm really ready to mow some
grass.
I, but that's what I want to do.

like as our season I mean, we're not done by any
means yet.
I mean, we'll, depending on whatthe weather does, weather
dictates.
When we've done cutting, we canbe done end of October or middle
of December.
It just depends, you know, whatour temperatures are like.
But it's, I'm sitting there, I'mI don't want it to stop because

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I like the, like routine I havelike through spring, spring
through like fall, like I likeit and it's like getting into
winter and yeah, it's like abreak.
But like for me it's, everyone'soh, what you doing in the winter
at the golf course?
Well.
I got Zambonis and everythingelse.
No removal of stuff, and it'sjust I just wanna grind reels

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and get stuff done andeverything, like back into check
and always something stops me.
It's like anytime I try to grinda reel, even in season, it's
just like something shows up andI'm like, all this possible.
I, there could be nothing.
As soon as I touch a reel, it'sfive things come in the door.
I'm

yeah.
Yeah.

how is this possible?
But

Yeah.
It is crazy how that works.
Yeah.
I don't know if that's Murphy'sLaw or what it is.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Were you ready to wrap thisthing up?
I am.
It's getting late.

Past for bedtimes,

it is, yeah.
Passed our bedtime.
But I really appreciate youbeing on, I really enjoyed
working with you at the US

was fun time.

and that was definitely an awesome experience
that I would highly recommend toanybody listening you know, try
to volunteer.
Yeah.
Did you, how did you get in footin the door, the boss?

the boss, yeah.
Literally

I used.

like I said, I was out there for the amateur in 21
and back then,'cause he wouldjust, he started in 19 at our
place.
He's oh, I think it'd be goodfor you to go.
Okay.
Then for obviously open.
It was pretty much, he's yeah,you're going.
I'm like, all right.

Sweet.
That's awesome.

So I was just, like I said, surprised that we ended
up I ended up in the shop.
'cause last time I was out onthe course, which was fine, but
I don't know if I could do thatat the open.
I don't know if I could do that.
Grind.

Yeah.
Well, I don't, yeah, RAK andbunker's.
One afternoon.
That was plenty enough.
RAK and bunkers for me.
I really don't want to do

For the AM amateur, I had the option of just working
the morning shift, so thatwasn't bad.
Like you're in or you're out andjust, like I said, literally
could park inside.
So it was a lot easier

Yeah.

moving around.
Not as much traffic obviously,but yeah, I mean it definitely
obviously oakmont's a differentanimal there getting like the
volunteer there.
I mean obviously you kind of,kind of have to have an in, but
definitely would like to dosomething outside, outside our
area.
Like my area for sure.

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'cause I mean like I, that's allI've volunteered at has been
Oakmont like most of the coursesI've seen have been around here.
I haven't spent much time like,you know, down south see
different courses, differentgrasses, you know, I'd like to.
Do that even, or even I mean,like Robert up in, where's he
up?
Connecticut?

yeah.
Yeah.

I wouldn't mind, I wouldn't mind to go up there

Oh yeah.
Yeah.
You should definitely try to dothat.

a place I really want to visit is Narnia.
You know what I'm talking about?

Is that where Bob's at?

above that, yeah.
Narnia I call Narnia because hewas, he like was an hour ahead
of us'cause of how far over heis.
So he'd always be up like, well,for me it'd be like 2:00 AM

Uhhuh.

But I like to see that up there because that gotta
be beautiful.

Oh, I'm sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'd love to go visit him too.
Yeah.
If you make a trip and you needcompany, you let me know.

It's a far ride.

is it, can you drive all the way?

You have to get ferry, I believe.

Yeah.
I

yeah.
I think there's some part wherewe had to get over.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, like that.
Like one place I like to visit,but like I said, I like to
volunteer somewhere else.

Yeah, try.
The players at Sawgrass orsomething, that's another, I
mean, they're always have a tonof volunteers.
Awesome shop.
Chris Langley's down there now.
Awesome dude running the shop.
So yeah, for the technicians, ifyou want a really nice spot to
go to check out in March try toget your foot into the door

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there.
But most of the time thesetournaments they put out stuff I
see, you know, on Twitteroccasionally looking for
volunteers.
Sign up here.
You know, and if you're reallyinterested, find out who the
superintendent is or who one ofthe assistants is, and you can
get your foot in the door.

whoever, even the EM is, you know, look them up.
If they're up on, you know, justtake female professional email,
you know?

Oh yeah.

Or if you already know them, just send'em a text
or a call.
Hey,

yeah.

Like I said, I, you definitely I've got,

yeah, and I remember that.
So in 2018, Corey Phillips andme and Patrick Drinker also, and
Austin Wright and I've talkedabout this several times on the
podcast, but we volunteered atBell Rie for the 100th PGA
championship.
And I'd met Chris Rapp, theequipment manager at the time

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through the task group at GCSA.
And I'm trying to remember, Imean, it was probably like 2016.
He was like, yeah, we're gonnahave the PGA championship in 18.
I'm like, count me in.
You know, this is two years andI don't even know what I was
volunteering for.
Right.
But I'm like, that sounds supercool.
Yeah, I wanna do it.
And we did it, you know, andit's awesome.

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And that, I'm trying to think ifthat was like my first.
Nah, it wasn't necessarily myfirst,'cause I started
volunteering at East Lake like along time ago when David ERs was
still there.
But that was, you know, not thefull experience as going to a
PGA championship and all thevolunteers they had there and

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merchandise tent, and, you know,all that stuff.
Just crazy.

I think like the one thing about volunteering too
is just like whenever you go toshow is that you meet more than
just mechanics, EMS technicians.
It's like just the amount ofpeople, like I know just from
networking already that werethere and even like I said, my
boss saying like, how the heckdo you know that person?

(58:17):
I'm like, long story.
But i, you know, it's like Ihave a social media presence and
it's I meet people at show'causeI go to show he fi, he actually,
he signed up to try to get intoMelrose for the superintendent
side

Oh, nice.

So hopefully, you know, he gets a chance.
Maybe.
I told him, I, he on tellinghim, just come to the show.
I'm like, you get a free, like afree entrance Membership as it
is.
I'm like, it's Orlando.
I mean, I know your kids want togo to Disney, so come down, go
to the show for a couple days,go to Disney, make a vacation
out of it.
And I'm like, like my wife comesdown, you know, she'll hang

(58:54):
around the show.

Yep.
Yeah.
Why not?
I don't, I think this year isgonna be crazy how many people's
there, you know?
'cause Orlando or San Diego wasa record, and Orlando's always
bigger, so I think it's gonna becraziness in

like I said all the people I've told you know, if
you wanna try to get a show andyou know, can't get through to
Melrose or your club isn't gonnasend you Orlando is to me the
place to go because there's somany options for like rooms and
yeah, of course food's gonna bemore expensive than anything.
It's just how it is anywhere wego now.
But I'm like, it's probably oneof the easier shows to get to.

(59:37):
And then you know, if you wannamake a mini vacation outta it,
you can, you don't have to be atevery single event.
But it's definitely nice.
That's, you know, why we go downis to be there for everything,
but

Well, and the other thing this year is the
100th for

Yeah.

the G-C-S-A-A.
So I'm sure there's gonna be abig party for the 100.

I think it's I think, yeah, I think it was the
the wife asking if I knew theschedule yet.
I'm like, gosh, a little tooearly to

Trent Manning (01:00:05):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not quite.
Not

John Borsos (01:00:06):
not there yet.
Like we are.
You, we know the dates.
It's not what everything's goingon yet.
We kind of, it's always a

but they usually have that out in another month,
in October, mid-October orsomething like that.
And they'll have most everythingout and ready getting people
signed up.
Yeah, I'm be doing a coupleclasses.
I can't wait.

We'll have to sit in a few.

yeah, do it.
All right.
Thank you again for being on,I've really enjoyed this.
Always enjoy hanging out andcatching up with you.
And I appreciate your friendshiptoo over the years.
It's it's been good,

always fun and good to work with you out there, and
always good to talk to you.
I enjoy seeing you down inOrlando again, so

That's right.

yeah, fun times.

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