Refin' It Up

Refin' It Up

Former WWE referees Brian Hebner and Jimmy Korderas and TNA and OVW Senior Referee Daniel Spencer dive deep into the wrestling business and it’s talent from the view of the 3rd man in the ring

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September 3, 2025 99 mins

The current state of wrestling has been talked about at length over the last week and this week Brian, Jimmy, and Daniel talk about just that.  We touch on the debut of Real American Freestyle in Cleveland as well as the record breaking WWE show in Paris, France; Clash in Paris.  As the educational Refin Review culminates we speak about the news in regards to the passing of Hulk Hogan in addition to the changing culture of wrestlin...

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It was a busy week in wrestling as we talk shop about AEW Forbidden Door, NXT Heatwave, and the Raja Jackson controversy.  In addition to that we have a packed Refin Review.  Finally, we watch Christopher Daniels vs AJ Styles vs Samoa Joe from TNA Turning Point 2009 with Slick Johnson as the referee.  



Match Link 

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August 21, 2025 103 mins

Justin Labar joins us this week to talk about what got him into wrestling.  Ultimately Justin found himself completing the seventh day of Busted Open on Sunday mornings with his co host Jonathan Hood.  Justin talks about their first episode together and how far they have come together over the last two years of the show.  As a lifelong Washington Commanders fan Justin and Brian became fast friends as they discussed their love for t...

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August 14, 2025 87 mins


Always bet on yourself and that’s what we did this week as we welcome Raphael Esparza to the show.  As the first person to create betting props for wrestling Raphael has done it all when comes to sports betting and beyond.  While living in the Las Vegas area Raphael starting working at a Casio before moving to some of the biggest sports books in the city.  All this and what goes into him creating some of his prop bets.  


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He’s 6’12”, 15% of a metric ton, Earthquake and Pillar shaking, Larger then Life, Hotter then Hell, The one thing you came to see, BT Double B Big Trouble Ben Bishop joins us this week.  He talks about his recent tryout for WWE and what he took from it.  Ben also talks about playing in the NCAA Basketball Tournament while at Vermont.  Lastly, been talks about bringing positivity to the sometimes dark place that can be social media....

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July 30, 2025 71 mins

We remember the life and career of the Immortal Hulk Hogan this week.  In addition to us remembering Hulk we welcome Earl Hebner and D’lo Brown to the show to share their memories and stories of the two time Hall of Famer Hulk Hogan.  



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July 23, 2025 83 mins

It’s time for a little ref chat this week.  Brian, Daniel, and Jimmy talk about about the record breaking Slammiversary put on by TNA this past Sunday.  In addition to our phenomenal Refin Review the boys talk about some of Eric Bischoffs quotes from his interview from the “Ariel Helwani Show,” in regards to TNA and AEW.  Finally, we answer some of your questions that you sent in to us this week.    


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She is a third generation wrestler, she is the Undeniable Diamond, and a multiple time champion; this week we welcome Tessa Blanchard to the show. She talks about growing up not wanting to be a professional wrestler but then at the age of 18 started her quest to train to become a wrestler. Overcoming some trials and tribulations confronted Tessa early on in her career. She took them all on and started her journey around the world ...

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Now this week’s episode is cool. We are joined by former WWE Intercontinental and United States Champion Carlito. He talks about times in WWE and coming up to the main roster and immediately getting into a storyline with John Cena. When he debuted on Smackdown he beat John Cena for the US Title. He also talks the time he spent away from company until he came back 13 years later at the Royal Rumble and then in PutLastly, goes into d...

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July 2, 2025 142 mins

This week we get to back to September of 2024 when we welcomed Mark Henry to the show.  


PLEASE NOTE THIS SHOW HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY AIRED 


Our conversation with Mark Henry starts at 30:11



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June 25, 2025 97 mins

ODB and Big Al join us this week to talk about their food trucks “Big Al and ODB’s Meat & Greet.” Currently they have two food trucks with aspirations of expanding across the country. We also talk about some great stories from ODB‘s time at TNA. 


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June 18, 2025 89 mins

This week Joe Coffey has alot to talk about after being released by WWE last month.  In addition to that Joe talks about coming up in Scotland and wrestling for ICW in Glasgow and becoming their champion on two occasions.  During his time off from the business Joe has been training with Bobby Fish in his gym so he is ready when he receives the call from the company that wants to sign him to their roster.  All this and so much more ...

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June 12, 2025 131 mins

Gabby LasPisa got involved with wrestling right out of college when she became a part time producer for Fight Nation on Sirius XM.  Not knowing anything about the three sports she was producing shows for she began to pay attention more to some of the shows that made her fall in love with wrestling.  Gabby quickly rose in the ranks with Busted Open eventually becoming a full time producer.  After many years with Sirius XM she was le...

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June 4, 2025 105 mins

David Herro has been a pivotal person in the wrestling business for over 20 years.  He joins us this week to talk about his outstanding career and so many great stories and moments throughout.  Lastly, Dave talks about his documentary that will be out soon called “The Herro’s Journey” A Pro Wrestling Story.  All this and so much more this week on Refin It Up.   


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It’s time to bring back #RefinRewatch this week.  Brian, Jimmy, and Daniel discuss the week that was in wrestling; then they watch and break down John Cone’s job in the match between Chris Jericho and Dolph Ziggler from Summer Slam 2012.  



Match Link 

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May 22, 2025 93 mins

We welcome back legendary referee Mike Chioda back to the show, as we have a Refin Roundtable.  We talk about everything from Wrestle Mania 41 to  giving referees their flowers after they do something good, and finally we talk about the current wresting referee work.  



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May 14, 2025 117 mins

Want the dirt? All you will get this week is a look into the day to day of Fightful Wrestling as we welcome  Sean Ross Sapp.  Sean talks about starting wanting to be a sport reporter only to find the world of pro wrestling.  In the world of social media Sean grew a following of wrestling fans; the good and the bad.  Sean talks about some of the run ins he had with the IWC and the great things that FIghtful Wrestling is putting out....

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Al Snow is one of the best minds in all of wrestling. He stops by the show this week to talk all things OVW Wrestling and what they have coming up in the near future.  Additionally, he touches on Rock’s comments from last week.  Finally, Al talks about what could happen down the line for Triple H and The Rock.  All this and so much more this week!!! 


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April 30, 2025 109 mins

Shelly Martinez joins us this week; as she talks about everything about her time in WWE and TNA.  She also goes into detail on some of the ups and downs she encountered during her wrestling career.  She got into wrestling at a very critical time in her life when wrestling gave more to her then she ever thought shed get from it.  You will have to listen to this episode to find out all the details on that and so much more!!!



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We bring back Refin rewatch this week when we watch Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker from Wrestle Mania 25.  However, before that we talk about the busy Wrestle Mania weekend and some of the stories that were told and continue to be told going forward.  All this and our Refin Review this week. 



Match YouTube Link 

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