BYRON HINTERLAND RETREAT - Circadian Living by Regenerative Health Retreats

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the Regenerative Health Podcast.
This morning I'm talking withRudy Nassif.
Now he is founder of Blue LightBlocking Glass Company,
VibraRays, and leader in appliedcircadian biology, and this is
an area of health practice thatis really helping people take

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what we, I guess, knowintellectually from the
scientific literature aboutcircadian rhythms and helping
implement it for individuals toimprove their health.
So, Rudy, thanks for joining me.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, thanks for having me, Mark.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah, thanks for having me, Max.
Let's kick this off with howyou think about circadian health
.
This is still in 2024, a prettyniche area of health which is
very much dominated by diet andexercise.
How do you conceive or thinkabout circadian rhythms in the

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context of this holistic healthpicture?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, absolutely.
When I speak with people, whenwe speak about light and its
impact on circadian biology, andwhen I speak about the
importance of light, I often seepeople really getting puzzled.
I often see people reallygetting puzzled and it all boils

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down to the belief that lightis essentially something
superficial that we can turn onand off that allow us to see the
world around us.
But in fact, light is a lotmore than this.
It's the language that isspoken by every living thing on
earth, from the smallestbacteria to the largest mammals.
A lot more than this, it's thelanguage that is spoken by every
living thing on earth, from thesmallest bacteria to the
largest mammals, and light hasdriven evolution throughout

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billions of years, guiding thegrowth of the plants, the
movement of the animals and therhythm of the day and the night.
Light is the language thatnature speaks and whispers to us
, essentially providing us withthe information that our biology

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needs to thrive essentialinformation and, just like the
information that we allow intoour minds, can either trap us in
fear or, equally, empower us.
Light also is a double-edgedsword it can either elevate us

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or makes us sick, and it'sliterally impacting us on a
cellular level.
And it's literally impacting uson a cellular level.
So when we speak aboutcircadian biology, we're talking
about these central clocks thatare sitting in front of our
cells, capturing light,information and reporting to the

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billions of the cells about thetime of the day and the time of
the seasons.
And we have this central clockin our brain.
Essentially think of it as theconductor of a musical symphony,
and just like the conductor ofa musical symphony reads musical
notes and cues the musician onhow to produce harmonious music

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and create a harmonious symphony.
Also, this central clock thatwe call circadian clock in our
brain is essentially gettingcues from light and darkness and
it's cueing all of our organs,all of our cells and
mitochondria on how tosynchronize together to produce

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harmonious music.
So this circadian clock iscontrolling when we sleep and
when we wake up, how well wesleep, how rested we feel when
we wake up.
It's controlling our energylevels, which mood we are in,
how much focus we have and howmuch we can get done.

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And all of these mechanismshappen by this clock controlling
the timing of hormonalproduction in our body.
And, to put it in a very simpleway, timing is everything and
when we do the right thing atthe right time, it produces

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phenomenal results, whether it'sin business, whether it's in
relationship or in health.
And sometimes, if we do thatsame thing at the wrong time, it
just messes up everything.
That same move that could havegenerated business success could
become a disastrous move thatput a business down.
And in the body is the samething.

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When the body is producing theright hormones at the right time
, we produce a harmonioussymphony that we call optimal
health and well-being.
We could see this in farmers.
They have a quality of light intheir eyes that I've never seen
in the community of folks whoare following dogmatic diets and
taking a thousand differentsupplements.

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And similarly, if the body iscontinuously producing the wrong
hormone at the wrong time, itproduces dissonance in the body
in the form of chronic issues.
And we see this all the time,with countless people trying
every diet imaginable.

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I was that person.
I personally was strugglingwith insomnia, chronic fatigue
and suicidal depression as a kid.
Also in school, I was diagnosedwith ADHD.
Now, growing up, I turned intoa night owl and I would stay up

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very late, and then I would wakeup the second day, feeling
constant fatigue, low on energyand unmotivation all day long
and no matter what.
I tried biomechanics, martialarts, climbing, freezing
mountains with Wim Hof.
I tried every diet imaginable.
I cut down on sugar and oncarbs, taking the best

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supplements for mitochondrialhealth, for sleep Nothing seemed
to work.
I was feeling the same and theissue was that I was
continuously being exposed tothe wrong frequency of light at
the wrong time and that wascausing my body to secrete the
wrong hormones at the right atthe wrong time.
And essentially, if we thinkabout it, at night, when we are

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exposed to artificial lighting,this messes up our brain because
the brain would think it'sdaytime when it's actually
nighttime and we start producingcortisol, which is very helpful
first thing in the morning,when we get that sunlight in our
eyes, but after the sunset itmakes us feel wired, anxious and

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stimulated.
And this also explains why forso many years in my life, I
thought I had a night owlproblem.
But it turns out I didn't havea night owl problem, I had a
light problem.
And you probably know, and youprobably discussed this many
times on the podcast we're notsupposed to have cortisol at

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night in our bodies because itactually also destroys the
cellular cleaning crew,autophagy, mitophagy and
apoptosis and there's alsotremendous negative impact.
That happens when cortisol inour body.
It increases blood glucose andthat's because the body is

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continuously trying to run awayfrom that predator, without even
having a tiger in the room, andthat causes the blood glucose
to spike at night.
And essentially this explainswhy so many people today they
experience cravings for sugarand carbs as soon as they sit

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down and watch that Netflixmovie and essentially light is
messing up with their bloodglucose.
And when blood glucose is notstable it negatively impacts
everything our thinking, ourdecision-making, our
relationships and even ourconnection to food, connection
to food.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, great explanation and I will harp on a
couple of points that you made.
One is this idea of light asthis conception that it's just
something we turn off and on andin reality light isn't or the

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absence of light isn'tever-present input into our life
and into our health.
And I think that that's a keypoint that people miss, and
especially people who are reallyemphasizing food as the primary
kind of input into health, tohealth, and this is the fact
that we are constantly sendingour body, our brain and our eyes
, via the skin, a signal aboutthe time of day with the light

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that we're exposing ourselves to.
And, as you mentioned,ancestrally or in the
evolutionary history of theworld and life on earth, then it
was supposed to be brightsunlight during the day and
essentially moonlight at night.
Yet people don't realize thatthey are so thoroughly

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disturbing that process withartificial light and not enough
bright sunlight during the dayand an excess of artificial
artificial light, particularlyin the blue wavelengths, uh,
after dark and the.
The other point I'll make isthat the light is this as
information, and you think about, once you understand, or down

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this road of circadian biology,that that we're speaking about,
that you're really careful aboutthe first light that you put in
your body, just like and you'rereally careful about the first
information that you put in yourbody, just like.
You're really careful about thefirst information that you put
in your body, and that wassomething that I learned myself
after waking up and doomscrolling, which is you can set
the tone for your day by whattype of information that you

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read.
Are you reading somethingpositive or are you just reading
the latest mainstream mediafear-mongering news stories?
So I really like the analogy ofbeing extremely diligent about
the first light that you get andmaybe the first information
that you put in your body.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, absolutely.
And in the food context, mostpeople are very aware about the
importance of havingfull-spectrum minerals and
vitamins so that we can live anoptimal lifestyle.
And when it comes to light, wecontinuously miss that because,

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essentially, we're living anindoor existence where we are
chronically being exposed to afrequency of light that is very
different than the light that weget from nature.
So think about your LED bulbsand screens.
These are devices that emitblue light in isolation at 455

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nanometer, and this is a verydifferent form of blue light
than the one that we get fromsunlight, because if you look at
the spectra curve of sunlight,we get full spectrum blue light
that comes symbiotically withthe polar opposite of yellow,
orange, red and infrared andthroughout evolution, anytime

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we've been exposed to any formof blue light, it came with the
balancing effect of the reds andthe oranges.
However, today we are overdosingon the 455 nanometer frequency
and anybody in the food industryknows that if we actually
overdose on a mineral or avitamin, it creates a toxicity

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effect and it makes us sick, andin the same way, overdosing a
mineral completely throws offour biology.
Also, overdosing on a frequencyof light of 455 nanometers, day
and night, continuously throwsoff our biology and makes us
sick.
And you could think of natureas this mechanism that is

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continuously playing an optimalsymphony for all biological
organisms to stay in sync withthe environment.
But when we ourselves miss thenotes, when we alienate
ourselves from nature's symphony, we literally make ourselves
sick.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, that's a good analogy and I've variously used
the analogies of methamphetamine.
But more recently I'm using theanalogy of high fructose corn
syrup for artificial blue lightand I really think that's a
little bit more appropriatebecause it implies that the
distillation or the refinementof the corn gets you high

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fructose corn syrup, which isobviously bad for your health
and perhaps in certain contextsa natural corn cob grown locally
and organically as part of adiet is not a problem.
But really the light analogyhere is that these energy-saving
, cool white LED bulbs are thehigh fructose corn syrup of

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light and we are essentiallyshotting high fructose corn
syrup light first thing in themorning when we look at our
phones at the first thing, andthen we are continually having
high fructose corn syrup lightthroughout the day and then
especially at nighttime.
So when you understand thecircadian biology which you so

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nicely gave to people tounderstand, then it becomes
completely baffling andextremely harmful to be exposed
to this type of light for 15, 16, 17, 18 hours per day.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yes, absolutely.
And if we think about themitochondria, which most people
today realize, is this powerengine within every cell that is
fueling everything that we do,from thinking to moving to
resting.
And even Dr Douglas Wallace wonan award for his groundbreaking
discovery that 90% or more ofmodern chronic diseases are

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originating in the mitochondrialosing their efficiency.
And one big reason they loseefficiency is because of lack of
sunlight and overexposure toartificial lights.
There's a gentleman I believehe's a biochemist, albert St
Gordy.
He spoke about how sunlightexcites the electron and the

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electron transport chain of themitochondria, generating the
electricity that themitochondria need to metabolize
food into energy.
And in fact, in the foodparadigm, most people think that
100% of the energy that we getcome from food, but it turns out
that about 70% of the energythat we're getting actually

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comes from the light.
And there's later research fromtwo scientists, martinek and
Berezin.
They showed how differentfrequencies of sunlight can make
enzymes that are related todigestion, cellular repair and

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metabolism up to 500% moreeffective.
So imagine that 500% betterenergy production, absorbing and
assimilating nutrients fromfood into your bloodstream and
cleaning your cells.
So in the context of circadianbiology and light, if you're
listening to this.
I want you to ask yourself howwould this impact your overall
health and well-being?
And think about how much moreyou'd get from the things that

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you're already doing.
Think about how much money andtime you'd save from supplements
and food.
You'd save from supplements andfood.
Theoretically, you could cutdown the amount of supplements
and food that you're eating byfive times.
And this is not a medicaladvice, but anecdotally, seven

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or eight years ago, when I wasstill profoundly struggling with
my health, I was eating sevenor eight meals per day and I was
spending thousands of dollarson supplements.
And today, fast forward, I'mfeeling better than ever before,
more alive than ever before,younger than ever before, and I

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only eat one to two times perday, rhythmically at the same
time every day, which ties tothe importance of also circadian
biology, which we can talkabout.
And guess what, max, I haven'ttaken one supplement for the
past five years.
Isn't this fascinating?
Literally, and I'm feelingbetter than ever before.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, and frankly, it's shattering to a lot of the
paradigms of functional medicineand a lot of other
practitioners that I guess relyon this idea that we're going to
kind of analogy opposite oranalogy to what we do in
mainstream medicine with themedication of chronic disease.

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And I say to people that youcan't medicate your way to
optimal health, you can't getfrom surviving to thriving
through pharmaceuticalmedications, and I don't believe
you can get there either with,with supplements.
So, and it really speaks to amore fundamental driver of
health and disease, and that iswhat we're exactly what we're

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discussing, which is which islight and circadian biology, and
I really want to hear yourthoughts on on chrononutrition,
but maybe briefly, why do youthink this is underemphasized to
the degree it is in society,despite the fact that we know

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how transformative the correctlight signals are for people's
health?

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, that's a great question when I think about it
and given my experience ofreally struggling with ADHD,
depression, chronic fatigue,trying all these different
things without any chance toimprove.
What happened Max is?
One day it was 1 am in the themorning, I believe March 2017 I

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was laying down in bed next tomy former partner in our dark
basement in Canada, scrollingthrough my phone, and the blue
light was shining on my face.
My eyes are squinting, I'mfeeling drained mentally and
physically, and then a videopops up on my feed.
I almost skip it, but but thenI click.
Title Artificial Light isKilling Us by Dr Jack Cruz, and

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I was squeezing my brain tryingto understand what he's saying.
But then I woke up the secondday and there's this one
sentence that kept echoing in mymind you can't get healthy in
the same light environment thatmade you sick.
Now, in that that moment, whenI heard this sentence, I felt
really puzzled.
I'm like what the heck is thisguy talking about?
I've never heard anything likethat, and I completely

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disregarded what he said and Ikept going on my own way.
A few months later, I realizedthat my ways are not getting me
anywhere and that I'm actuallystruggling more than ever before
.
And having shared about thatvideo with my partner, she comes

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to me with an unexpectedsurprise.
She said Rudy, pack your stuff.
We're going to volunteer on anorganic farm up in Northern
Quebec in Canada.
I felt extremely doubtful.
I'm thinking to myself oh mygod, volunteering on an organic
farm, how is this going to helpme?
But then here we are, drivingin the car for seven hours from

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Ontario to Quebec.
We arrived there at night, max.
No electricity, no artificiallights, only open, pristine
skies.
We set up our tent under thetwinkling stars and the only
source of light was coming fromthe fire flickering in front of
us.
Now, on day one, I wake up andmy body is exhausted, feeling so

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heavy, so resistant.
I don't want to be outside, Idon't want to be around people.
Day three, something completelyunexpected happens.
I wake up and for the firsttime in my life, I feel like a
sustainable urge of energy.
My body is feeling alive,rested and overflowing with joy.

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I couldn't help but smile.
I open the door of the tent, Istep outside.
The world around me is glowingwith the magical light of the
dawn Birds are singing.
It's mesmerizing and for thefirst time ever, max, I feel
like an intense connection toeverything around me.
I feel like a deep sense ofpurpose and connectedness to my

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Everything around me.
I feel like a deep sense ofpurpose and connectedness to my
existence.
And the night owl in me, whoused to stay up late until 2 am,
is now sleeping shortly afterthe sunset, naturally.

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Now I'm going to share one morething that happened that
literally blew my mind.
I think most of us in today'sworld have no idea how this
simple core, fundamentalprinciples of physics literally
control every aspect of ourbiology.
But this morning I was crouchedover the ground weeding the
crops and the farmer walks overto me, he places his hand on my
shoulder and he says Rudy, whata powerful focus you have.

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I've never seen anything likeit.
And Max, literally this momentcracks me open.
I am the ADHD kid who can'tfocus for 25 years and in this
moment I had a deep, intensemoment of realization.
Everything I thought to bewrong with me my ADHD, my
depression, my chronic fatigueit wasn't about me, it was my

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light environment.
And it wasn't until I was in anenvironment that was conducive
to health that helped me tobuild up the neurotransmitters
that control the way I think,the way I feel and the way I act
, that I had thisresourcefulness within myself to
see things as they are.
And the issue, Max, is probablyall of us in today's world.

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We're born in big cities.
At the age of three or fourwe're taken to schools and we
are put in boxes underartificial lights and we're
being asked to memorize andrepeat by our teachers and we
are being measured as smart ornot smart by how much we could

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acquire information through oursenses and how much we can
repeat stuff, our senses and howmuch we can repeat stuff.
And if you think about thewhole story of circadian biology
and light, most of it is beyondour senses.
Most of it is happening beyondthe range of what our eyes could
see.
And for most of us, we wantmeasurable things.

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We want to see and quantifythings.
We could look at a diet and say, oh, this is a healthy diet,
this is an unhealthy diet.
We could make sense of thosethings through our senses and
through our observations, butwhen it comes to sunlight, when
it comes to our connection tonature and these fundamental
programs that have driven ourevolution for thousands of years

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, they're so intrinsic and yetit's not as easy to perceive
them through the senses.
They come through embodiment,through actually going there and
living and being with nature ona day-to-day basis.
And when we give ourselves thatgift for only three days, which
I love, what you're doing withyour people, because you're

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taking people on those retreatsfor three to four days to help
them see what it looks like tobeing an embodied person of this
circadian concept.
Because it's one thing to sitdown here and talk about it and
share about the mitochondria andthe quantum biophysics and all
of these intellectual concepts,but it's another thing to take a

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step back and revisit how ourancestors lived for thousands of
years.
Reconnect back to the farmersand you'll start observing that
all of those farmers have aquality of vitality that you'll
never see around, people who arecontinuously jumping from one
big health summit to another,baking themselves under

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artificial light for four daysand going from one booth to
another learning about thelatest biohacks.
I think this is almost crazythat we go to Florida for four
days and we're inside boxes,baking ourselves under
artificial light and going fromone booth to another to learn
about the benefits of red lighttherapy and infrared light, when

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, if we take a moment and stepoutside.
We'll have it all outside inthe sun, and people are so
disconnected from that.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, an amazing story.
Thank you for sharing that, andit really reminded me of what
uh, one of our mutual friends,uh kira lee, said, which is that
you, you're not broken, it'syour environment that's broken.
And I think your, your story,really, really sum sum that up.
I, uh I guess it's also from myperspective another, another

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facet of disconnection fromnature and from health.
And, just as people aredisconnected from the effects of
different foods that they haveon their body and they're
disconnected from their livedsense of self and the benefits
of exercise, I think there's acollective disconnection and
maybe that is cultivated to somedegree or emergently out of the

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society that we live in, sothat, yeah, people suffer and
they don't really know whythey're suffering.
And perhaps it's analogous tohaving a dirty pair of dirt or
fog appears on those glassesover a period of years and you

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might never have known what it'slike to have clear glasses or a
clear windscreen.
Then it's easy to keep trudgingalong in a quagmire and of poor
health.
But what it sounded like thatwhen you went out into a rural
area with zero light pollution,with zero artificial light at

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night, with only thismagnificent natural symphony of
full spectrum, you know 100,000plus lux natural sunlight during
the day and you know less than0.1 lux of moonlight at night.
That was enough to, over aperiod of three days, reset your
circadian clocks, reset yourcircadian rhythm and finally

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allow your body to release thecorrect hormonal factors and
neurotransmitters at the righttime.
And your body knew what to do.
It simply needed theenvironmental inputs to be
corrected and to be normalized,and you, your body, gave you um

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optimal health.
And, uh, that's that's reallymy message as as well, which is,
before we start going downdifferent rabbit holes with, as
you mentioned, say, supplementsor devices or even specific
diets, let's get thesefundamental inputs fixed first

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and see what happens.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Absolutely.
And when you think about itfrom that lens it becomes a lot
simpler because a lot of theconcepts that are presented in
the wellness and health andwellness space and industry, if
you examine them and examine therelationship to nature, it
becomes so easy to get rid of alot of them because you realize

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that so many of them are notactually true to nature and the
very few that are true to natureare very simple and easy to
implement.
And it didn't take me that longwhen I was on that farm to
realize that these farmers upnorth they were doing it right
and essentially I could observethe way they did things is that

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they woke up every singlemorning before the sunrise.
Naturally, they spent most oftheir day outside in natural
lighting.
Their feet and their hands werecontinuously connected to the
earth.
They ate at the same time everyday and they fasted after

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sunset and they continuously atewhat grew in their own
environment under the sun wherethey are living.
Because essentially, if wethink about it, food is but
light that is being stored inplants and when we eat that
plants we assimilate this uh,plant or whatever energy into

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back back to light.
So what the farmers did had atremendous impact on my view of
things and my choice of whichdiet do I choose?
Is it going to be vegan betteror vegetarian?
Or is it keto or is itcarnivore?

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Do I eat this or do I eat that?
Well, all of this got extremelysimplified because the answer
to those questions became whichenvironment am I living in right
now and what kind of food isgrowing around me right now?
And essentially that reallysimplified the equation for me
of what kind of food am I livingin right now and what kind of
food is growing around me rightnow?
And essentially, that reallysimplified the equation for me
of what kind of food am I goingto eat in this moment?

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, and let's talk about that, because this idea of
seasonal eating and this idea,which is eating appropriate to
the location that we're in, andchrononutrition, which in itself
is a fledging subfield ofcircadian biological research,
which is the timing of the foodthroughout the day and how that

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is affecting health, I thinkthose are two critical areas of
discussion that would alleviateso much.
That would alleviate so muchangst and confusion about what
is an appropriate diet.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
So explain again from your perspective what you
should eat and when you shouldeat?
Yeah, that's a great question.
So back to my experience on thefarm, max.

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During that time, what Irealized?
That I did not have theconvenience to go open the
fridge and start preparing allthe food that I wanted to
prepare.
So essentially what that meantthroughout evolution, for
thousands and thousands andthousands of years, we as humans
, as diurnal beings, we'vealways woke up with the sun and

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we've used the first few hoursof the day to go forage and hunt
before the sun becomes reallyintense, and then we've eaten
our food during the daylighthours when the sun is up, and
we've fasted when the sun isdown, and that wasn't a matter
of choice.

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And essentially it's sointeresting because I see this
over and over again and it tiesback sometimes to a
misconception of the wordfreedom.
But at times when you limityour choices, you actually
create a lot of freedom in yourlife and you're able to connect
to the essence of truth, as is.

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And one of the things thatreally happened on the farm is I
did not have the choice, max,to go and wake up at like 10 pm
as I'm scrolling on my phone andwatching Netflix, and then I'll
get this intense desire to goand cook a chicken.
That is not possible, becausethere's no way that we could do
this if we did not haveartificial lighting after the

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sunset, and because we did thisfor thousands and thousands and
thousands of years.
Of course, food is another verypowerful zeitgeber and
essentially it's not as powerfulas light and darkness.
But also the peripheral clocksin our pancreas and liver and in
our guts are also receivinginformation about the time of

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the day by examining the timingof the food that is entering our
mouth, by examining the timingof the food that is entering our
mouth.
And what this means is how canwe harvest and harness the power
of this circadian clocks in theperipheral organs?
By making sure that we areeating at the similar time every

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day and, I think, even moreimportantly than this, by making
sure that we are fasting atleast two to three hours before
going to bed, so that the bodycould run the proper repair and
rejuvenation programs that wespoke about mitophagy, autophagy
and apoptosis Becauseessentially, the body cannot be

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breaking down food and repairingat the same time.
It's either making fat orbreaking fat.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, fantastic point .
And that goes to the heart ofthe circadian mechanism, which
is this idea of coordinatingopposaling body processes.
And if you have processes thatare fundamentally diametrically
opposite, then the body inevolution has separated them
temporally in time to occur atdifferent times of day, occur at

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different times of day, and ifyou try and uh eat at 10 pm at
night, then you're asking yourbody to do the job that it
should have done at 2 pm, uh ata later period, and that is
going to have a disruptingeffect on on your body and it's
going to have uh, it's going tochange the way energy is
metabolized and handled in thebody in a profoundly negative

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way.
And I think type 2 diabetes andmetabolic dysfunction
fundamentally has its origin orits genesis in disrupted
circadian rhythms.
And not to say that food isn'tplaying a role in this story, it
absolutely is.
But truly, the way I thinkabout it is that the food is

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exacerbating, and particularlyfood that we're eating, food
that's either highly refined ornot grown in our location, is
exacerbating an underlyingproblem that starts with
confused circadian biology andconfused gut clocks and confused
clocks in our metabolic organs,as you mentioned adipose tissue

(36:30):
, the pancreas, the liver, themuscle that is therefore
initiating metabolic dysfunction.
So I also want to relate that toa routine, and you mentioned we
recently finished up ourcircadian retreat on the weekend
, giving people an idea of thecircadian living.

(36:53):
And we obviously got up, we sawthe sunrise and we ate
breakfast soon after rising,after getting that natural first
light in the eye, and then weonly ate again at 2 pm and that
was obviously a very substantialmeal of animal meat and fat and

(37:13):
obviously hyperlocal.
But people didn't eat againuntil the following morning and
no one was getting hungry.
So it just goes to show thatgetting things right, both from
a nutrient content point of view, but obviously so people are
satisfied and that involves, asI mentioned, protein and fat,

(37:35):
but also getting the timingcorrect makes so much difference
to people's appetite, satietyand the way that the food is
having an effect on their bodyyeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
And we also know that exposure to uv light, which
impact the production of pomceyand result in the production of
alpha mch, but mch, gamma mchwhich played an absolutely major
role in regulating appetite,and there's a lot of research
showing that obesity and weightgain is linked with lack of

(38:10):
alpha-mCH production.
Also, chronic exposure to bluelight increases ghrelin, the
hunger hormone, especially whenit's not balanced out with other
frequencies and with the lackof UV light inside when we are
in an indoor environment, all ofwhich causes people to crave
more food.

(38:30):
And, given the relationship ofhow blue light impacts cortisol
and how cortisol interacts withblood glucose, those continuous
spike in our blood glucose levelwithout us eating a single bite
, caused by artificial lighting,is continuously causing people
to have a lot more carbs andsugar cravings, and that results

(38:54):
in that continuous need forsnacking all the time.
So I found that by simplycontrolling my light environment
and by fixing my light issues,my appetite became a lot better
and I no longer had to exercisea torturing amount of willpower

(39:16):
to stop myself from eating thisand that amount of willpower to
stop myself from eating this andthat, and it wasn't so much a
theme on my head anymore,because I do remember previously
that was so much of a theme offeeling a lot of guilt and shame
after engaging with eatingbehaviors that I wasn't proud of
.
But essentially all of thisdissolved simply by fixing my

(39:40):
light problem, getting exposureto more light during the day and
avoiding artificial lights atnight.
And I think also, given the factthat all of our organs are
primed to be a lot moreeffective in the first half of
the day, this tells us somethingabout why we are meant to be

(40:01):
eating when the sun is up.
In fact, the pancreas isprobably two to three times more
effective releasing insulin inthe first half of the day.
Also, the gut releases acidjuices that help us to digest
better in the first half of theday compared to the second half,

(40:22):
and I think there was someresearch showing that if you eat
the apple in the first half ofthe day compared to the second
half of the day, you probablyneed a lot more energy and time
to digest that same apple.
So it's not a question of whatis it that you're eating, it's a
question.
It's a question of when are youeating and how is your life

(40:43):
environment as you are eating?

Speaker 1 (40:46):
yeah, great, great points.
I.
I think there's so many peoplesuffering unnecessarily and, and
, as you say, having to exertsuperhuman willpower to fight
food cravings and avoid certainfoods, and they're really making
it hard for themselvesunknowingly by existing in this

(41:08):
modern, artificially lit,blue-lit light environment and
as if nothing else.
These circadian signals, whendelivered correctly, make it so
much easier to maintain anatural, whole foods diet
because you're simply not givingyourself the stimulus for what

(41:29):
we call in medicine hyperphagiaor excessive eating, which you
do get if you have the wronglight signals.
Anyone who's done a night shiftwould be able to tell you that
empirically as their livedexperience, and I know that's
been the case for me.
If you have poor sleep, if youhave disrupted sleep, then the

(41:51):
first food that you feel likethe next day in the morning is
sugar and carbs.
Yes, I mean, people know that,but they don't make the link
between their disrupted sleep ortheir artificial light exposure
and that metabolic process, butthey're absolutely linked and
they're linked, as you mentioned, by these melanocortin, um

(42:14):
hormone, peptide hormones andand this the whole uh hormonal
system that governs satiety,which is regulated by light
signals.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yes, absolutely.
In fact, I had a friend whocame to visit me and, by the way
, max, you probably know, but Ido live a circadian lifestyle on
a day-to-day basis.
This is the way I operate.
Lifestyle on a day-to-day basis.
This is the way I operate.
And sometimes people say, ohwow, you're so lucky.

(42:47):
And I say, oh, wait until youhear how I was living seven
years ago.
None of that is luck.
All of this has been createdthrough hard work and through
making the right choices anddecisions.
Essentially, this friend whocame to visit me decisions, but
essentially this friend who cameto visit me after four days of
being here and naturally sinkinginto my way of living, and that
meant that now he's forcedhimself to wake up, at least for

(43:09):
the first day, to go for a runwith me around sunrise.
We went for a swim, we wentsurfing, we spent tremendous
amount of time outdoors and infact, I also.
While he was here, I set him upwith an office outside, so he
was getting a lot more naturallight during the day, and after

(43:29):
four days he came back to me andhe said oh wow, rudy, like I
noticed, I'm no longer gettingintense cravings throughout the
day and, according to him, in agiven day he was struggling so
much with focus so at any givenpoint he would be sitting down
to do some any form of deep workand he's continuously finding

(43:52):
in his mind that intense urgeand desire to stand up, open the
fridge and go munch on food.
And what he noticed?
That for the four days he washere he never had even to think
about it and he did not snackonce, which is phenomenal To me.
It's fascinating to seesomebody who's like really
struggling with that and to beable to like overcome this and

(44:14):
not even think about it once ina matter of four days.
That is phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Yeah, it's incredible and that type of anecdotes I
think are so valuable andimportant and they're very
difficult to capture in ascientific paper.
And really we're moving into anew era where I think and this
is coming from an MD doctor whohas done bench side research,

(44:44):
who's done public healthresearch, who's inculcated into
the school of thought ofevidence-based medicine and I
think that we need to move pastthis idea of randomized control,
trial evidence before doinganything, because it's that

(45:07):
lived experience and the Nequals one, the anecdote that is
so powerful in instructing howwe should live from an optimal
health point of view, withcircadian biology in mind.
So, yeah, I mean that is themessage and I say to to my
patients, like, if, if you have,you know, two food rules, it
would, it would be uh source aslocally as possible and eat

(45:28):
during the daytime only.
And if you only use those tworules, then for the vast
majority of people, that willsolve the diet side of the, the
uh, the equation.
So maybe, maybe we could talknow about what we can do.
And you, obviously youmentioned that you're, you're
living circadian lifestyle andthat's something that you've

(45:49):
crafted for yourself, uh, in inmexico.
What?
What can we do if the lightsignals are suboptimal.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yet we still have to work in that, that situation,
and maybe you can explain umyour, the company that you've
built, and the role of of bluelight blocking glasses in in
this circadian lifestyle thatthat we're running yeah, after
after five or after seven yearsso far of continuous focus on

(46:21):
solving the light problem andasking myself whether there's a
way to live in the modern world,I can confidently tell you that
there is a way to live in themodern world of artificial
lighting, but we must live withintention.
Live with intention, and whatthis means is we really need to

(46:41):
be making sure that we're takingspecific steps throughout the
day to harness the power oflight and, equally, to harness
the power of darkness.
And I think, thinking aboutthese steps, I could distill
them into probably like sevensteps that anybody could do, no

(47:02):
matter where they are.
And, by the way, for anybodywho's thinking, oh Rudy is in
Mexico, that's so easy for him.
Just bringing you back to mystory, my actual embodiment of
circadian lifestyle did nothappen in Mexico.
It happened in British Columbiaand in Quebec, up northern
Canada, and it actually happenedthroughout all seasons.

(47:23):
So it wasn't something that Iwas able to harness in the
summer and I lost in the winter.
In fact, I did feel the mostexalted during the wintertime,
when I allowed my body to tapinto the physical forces around
me.
That helped my body understandthat the winter time is coming
and helped my biology to shiftforward into a winter metabolism

(47:45):
.
And if you even look back intosome of my Instagram posts four
or five years ago, you'll see alot of the posts happened in
Canada in the snow and I wastruly living a circadian
lifestyle Canada in the snow andI was truly living a circadian
lifestyle and I was harnessingthe same benefits that I am
harnessing today in Mexico.

(48:05):
So, thinking back towards thosesteps, step number one is very
easy Wake up first thing in themorning, instead of looking at
your phone or getting distractedwith social media and turning
on artificial lights around you,or getting distracted with
social media and turning onartificial lights around you, go
outside and watch the sunrise.
And what I want the listeners toknow is naturally, when we wake

(48:28):
up, as the sun is rising, alsothe core body temperature is
tempted to rise.
So anything that we could doduring that time to raise that
core body temperature will havetremendous positive impact, not
only on our circadian biology,but also on our alertness, our
focus and our mood, and thatcould be in a form of exercising

(48:50):
, for instance, and also whenI'm in a country where there's
lack of sunlight, say in Canadaduring the winter, I wake up and
it's still dark outside.
What I like to do is I like toraise my core body temperature
using exercise, and I alwayslike to start slow, to wake up

(49:13):
my senses and slowly wake up myjoints and muscles, and then I
could ramp up that intensity.
But anything that you could doto increase your core body
temperature first thing in themorning, such as exercise, cold
plunging, even eating a bigbreakfast, will act in
accordance to your naturalrhythm and will help you to feel
more focused, more energized,and it will enhance your mood.

(49:36):
And it will enhance your mood.
Step number two depending onthe season and where you are on
earth, about an hour aftersunrise, uva arises, and I'd
highly recommend the app fromSarah Kleiner or Circadian
Lifestyle.
Both are amazing apps that willtake your geographical location

(49:56):
and will tell you when the sunis rising, when UVA is rising,
et cetera.
But that's an absolutelyessential window of time that we
need to expose ourselves to,and today you'll hear a lot of
experts talking about getting 10minutes of morning sunlight
first thing in the morning andavoiding screens one hour before
bed.
This is really not enough andit doesn't really work, and

(50:22):
that's because our mitochondriais awaiting a specific sequence
of light information coming fromnature, and it's like the key
that opens the door to waking up, feeling rested, energized and
focused every single morning andgetting that deep, restful
night's sleep.
At night, and when we firstwake up, the light is still warm

(50:45):
and soft and rich in theoranges and reds, and then
slowly, as the day goes on, theblue and green light start
increasing and then the UV lightis added to this blend, and
this light, again, isinformation that every part of
our system is awaiting for toactivate the different enzymes
and neurotransmitters.
So simply getting 10 minutes ofmorning sunlight is really not

(51:08):
enough.
I would suggest that and evenargue that step number two,
getting UVA light, is even moreimportant than getting that
morning sunlight.
And if I had to pick one ofthose two steps, I would always
go for getting UVA light, andwhat I often like to do is it's

(51:30):
golden if you combine stepnumber one with step number two
by extending your time outsideso that you're getting that
morning sunlight and you'rebeing present when UVA and UVB
is arising in your environment.
And simple ways to do this isby exercising outside instead of
going to the gym, even forparents who are driving their
kids to school.

(51:50):
One easy thing to do is youcould park your car 15 minutes
away from school and walk withyour kids to school, and this 15
to 30 minutes with your kids isliterally golden, and it will
help them to have better mood.
If they're struggling withbehavior issues or ADHD or
whatever that may be, thissimple step alone could be an

(52:14):
extremely powerful step toreattune them and recenter them.
And it's easy, it's simple andit's free.
Step number three making sure tobe outside also and exposing
yourself to sunlightperiodically throughout the day.
So sunlight is not a pill thatyou would take one time first

(52:37):
thing in the morning and you'reall set, just like you're being
sold this or that supplement totake one, one, one, one time in
the morning and you're all set.
There's no such a thing likethis in nature.
It's, it's a, it's a, it's a,it's a built-up effect and again
, we have all these differentfrequencies that show up at
different times of the day andit's absolutely necessary to

(53:00):
continue to stay in tune withthose frequencies.
So I invite people toperiodically go outside as often
as possible, and if you'reworking inside, let's say two
hours of focused work, thesimple act of taking a break
after two hours and stoppingyour thinking and being outside,

(53:20):
taking fresh air and freshsunlight will literally improve
your productivity by at least 10times.
And I'm talking from experienceOn the days when I am the most
productive.
Those are the days when I'mtaking my time to be outside in
the sun and in between I couldget things done.
Step number four when I aminside and when I'm exposed to

(53:44):
any form of artificial lightingduring the day, then I'm
continuously wearing my VivaRace Circadian light harmonizing
lenses.
Now there's a tremendousdifference between those lenses
and other blue blockers that aresold for daytime hours.
One of the main differencesmost of the blue blockers that

(54:05):
are sold for daytime.
They are designed to block ahundred percent of blue light at
455 nanometers, which could bea useful to eliminate eye strain
, headaches and agitation.
But what I did notice iseliminating that blue will start
making you feel tired and lowon energy at the wrong time of

(54:28):
the day, because your brain isrelying on the presence of blue
lights so that your clock knowsit's daytime and optimize your
energy levels.
So instead of beingreductionist and eliminating
that blue, we thought about abetter way to harmonize this
blue by decreasing its sharpnessand spreading it out across the

(54:49):
spectrum.
So we're getting more of theyellow, green, orange and red
light to balance out thepresence of blue light without
eliminating it.
Orange and red light to balanceout the presence of blue light
without eliminating it.
Step number five when the dayends, going outside and
witnessing the sunset, directlyor indirectly, and the reason so

(55:17):
is, again, light is information and this signals your
nervous system and to yourclocks that the day is ending,
so that you can start windingdown and your body, without you
needing to do anything, willstart making the space and
preparing for a restful night'ssleep.
Step number six when you comeback to your house, making sure
that you turn off overheadlightings and I'm a big fan of

(55:39):
candlelight and Himalayan saltlamps.
Also, the fact that you'reputting the Himalayan salt lamps
down at a floor level is a bigadvantage, because it turns out
that overhead light is morelikely to stimulate melanopsin
ganglion cells in the eye anddisrupt your circadian rhythm.
Step number seven cells in theeye and disrupt your circadian

(56:04):
rhythm.
Step number seven anytime thesun sets, there's a mechanism
signaling in my brain to put theevening lenses, and those are
specifically designed to filterout 100% of the blue and the
green up to 520 nanometer, andwe tune them to mimic the exact
color temperature of the bonfireat 1700 kelvins, so that we
tell the nervous system that theday is ending.
And about an hour before bed Ilike to switch to the nighttime

(56:28):
one which filter out 100 of theblue, 100 of the green and
decrease the brightness by 10times, which is an absolutely
necessary thing, also Because itturns out that bright light as
well negatively impact ourcircadian rhythm and shift our
clocks in the wrong direction.

(56:49):
So I think these are the sevensteps.
They're pretty much free.
I think anybody could do themanywhere in the world, and I've
shared those steps withthousands of people so far and
in so many different conferences, to the audiences of many
doctors and functional medicinepractitioners, and I
continuously continue to receivea phenomenal feedback and

(57:12):
everybody who's committed topracticing those steps have seen
beautiful results.
So I think it's very easy toimplement and anybody could do
them.
That's the beauty of them.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Yeah, I love the statement that you made, which
is light, isn't a pill that youcan just take in the morning and
be done with it, and really,and especially for the doctors
in the audience, it's more likean infusion.
It's more like a continuous IVinfusion that requires slightly
different drugs or ingredientsin the bag depending on what

(57:48):
time of day it is.
And the natural infusion, again, is the analogy of natural
sunlight in the eye.
And to sample the differenttimes of day is to get your
different light needs met andtherefore, circling all the way
back to the beginning of theconversation is to to get
optimized timing and optimizingthe fidelity of the signal, the

(58:11):
message from the sun to yourbody about the exact time of day
.
So so all your clocks can notonly orchestrate, so they can
orchestrate the cells and allthe cellular processes with as
much fidelity as possible.
And really it's a completechange of frame, which implies

(58:38):
that there's no second best here.
There's no.
You know, tina, there is noalternative to natural sunlight
and we're just trying to do ourbest with these mitigating
measures, especially like theblue blockers that we're
discussing, to kind of getcloser to what that natural

(59:00):
light spectrum looks like.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Absolutely.
I love the infusion analogy,definitely going to borrow that
and share it as I talk aboutthis.
I think it's brilliant and it'salso worth mentioning, max,
that the circadian lifestyle notonly helped me to optimize my

(59:25):
health and my well-being, but itliterally helped me optimize
every aspect of my life and theway I show up in my business,
the way I show up in myrelationships in my business,
the way I show up in myrelationships, and one of the
reasons I found I was able totap into this is because for
most of my life, after thesunset, I was continuously

(59:49):
exposed to a tremendous amountof chaos and noise and light
entering my eyes that kept mewired, anxious and stimulated,
and one of the fundamentalthings that I've never paid
attention to is oftentimes thatled me to go to bed in a state
of desperation, where I'm goingliterally to bed and I'm

(01:00:13):
thinking about all the bad stuffthat happened throughout the
day.
I'm thinking about all theseintense social media videos
about the tragedies that arehappening in the world.
I'm going to bed and I'mthinking about all the bombs
that are being thrown on thiscountry or that country, and it
wasn't until I was controllingmy light environment that I

(01:00:39):
actually realized that I wascontinuously poisoning myself by
allowing myself to fall asleepin a state of complete
desperation and misery.
And there's something sopowerful about the state in
which we fall asleep, and I havefound from experience that the

(01:01:01):
state in which I fall asleep isthe state that is going to be
dominant in my day the next day,and it will create literally
the circumstances and theconditions and the interactions
that I'm going to have in my day.
And I've seen this over and overagain, to the point that today
I never allow myself, max, tofall asleep at night without

(01:01:25):
literally shifting my state andtapping into the divine
intelligence that I am.
And what this means is, beforegoing to bed, when I am applying
these steps and cancelling outall the junklets from entering
my eyes, I find that I have amuch better opportunity to

(01:01:49):
really calm down my nervoussystem and be able to find
stillness within myself.
And from that stillness,naturally, what I find emerging
is a natural state of aliveness,joy and celebration for the
spirit of life, whereas in thepast, I've never been able to

(01:02:12):
tap into this and I've allowedmyself to be poisoned by all the
different type of stimulatinginformation and the negativity
around me and I will fall asleepinto that state and I will wake
up and the first thought thatstart the day is always
connected to that last thoughtthat you've been thinking before
you fall asleep.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
And that makes so much sense to me from an
evolutionary behavioral point ofview, which is if you were
being stalked by a tiger in ourancestral environment is going
to wake you up with the thoughtof this tiger unresolved stress,

(01:03:03):
unresolved acute stress isstill out there going to try and
get us.
So it speaks to the importanceof a wind down routine, and that
wind down routine should becommensurate with the light
signals that we're sending.
And, as you mentioned, we'reputting lights, ideally with
very low lux, so low totalbrightness, but also a very warm

(01:03:26):
spectrum, and either ideallyclose to the ground with red or
candlelight or say a salt lampthat's a great suggestion.
And wearing something like apair of blue light blockers,
such that you guys make, andpairing that with a practice

(01:03:47):
whether that's complete, strictavoidance of any information,
maybe I tell people to stop anykind of work, ideally at 7 pm
and two hours an hour before youtry and sleep, and then I
personally like to do a veryshort guided meditation in that
low light environment.

(01:04:08):
So I'm not only telling my bodyit's time to go to sleep from a
light point of view, but alsofrom a behavioral, physiological
, cognitive and emotional pointof view as well, and this is no
different, and I told this topeople at my retreat over the
weekend.
People don't find it surprisingwhen they have a strict routine

(01:04:28):
to put their infant to sleep,and if you disrupt the infant's
routine or you shine brightlight on the infant or you
forget to maybe read your baby abook, then the routine is
disrupted and the sleep qualityis impacted.
I would posit that, as adults,we have the same needs to have
that calming nighttime wind downroutine as we did when we were

(01:04:53):
10 months, 8 months old, butthat's something that most
people aren't doing today and,yes, I really echo your
statements about the wind downenvironment.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Yes, absolutely, and it's so looked down, when we
speak about rest or when wespeak about sleep or when we
speak about stillness.
And in fact, one thing I cameto realize in the past years is
that in this existence we'redealing with two main things.
We're either in rest or we'reeither in motion and our senses

(01:05:31):
only react to motion.
They can never react tostillness or rest and therefore
our senses continuously willdeceive us into thinking that
there is power in motion.
But the true power marks guesswhere it is it's in rest.
And I could easily demonstratethis by asking you to think

(01:05:55):
about a seesaw.
And if you see a seesaw moving,what will your senses react to?
They will react to the motionof the lever and your senses
will deceive you by telling youthe energy is in the lever.
But in fact, if you askyourself the question, where is

(01:06:18):
the power extended from?
The levers are extending theirpower from the zero point, the
fulcrum point of stillness.
So if we bring this back to ourday-to-day life, we're either in
rest or in motion and the powerof motion extends from rest and

(01:06:43):
we are as powerful in ouraction as we could borrow from
those moments of rest.
And that's why, for me, thisperiod of time when I'm really
moving away from motion andgoing into rest, it becomes an

(01:07:04):
unnegotiable time for me to,because I do understand that the
power of my motion in thesecond day is really in
alignment with how well I'mrested and how well I could
extend motion from that rest yes, and it speaks again to
emphasize the key uh importanceof sleep and rest and darkness,

(01:07:27):
and that is I often invoke theimage of the of the yin and yang
, with with a clock markingsover it to, yes, to really
emphasize this, this concept ofcircadian biology.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
But the equal and opposite requirement of your
body is complete darkness,natural darkness at night, just
as it is full spectrum sunlightduring the day.
So it's such a well andimportant message that we need
this wind down period, we needthis rest, we need this darkness
and just as much as we needbright natural light during the

(01:08:04):
day.
So I honestly think it's amissing piece in so many
people's health issues andhealth conditions that I see
myself in the clinic psychiatricillness, weight loss.
If you're trying to lose weightand you have disrupted sleep or
you're waking up multiple timesin the night, good luck.
You're not going to havesuccess and there's deep

(01:08:27):
physiological reasons behindthat.
From an energy production andenergy mitochondrial efficiency
point of view, good luck havinga joyful disposition and an
optimistic outlook and a goodmood throughout the day.
If you're having disruptedlight signals to the brain, I
mean you're just battling uphill.

(01:08:48):
So you know the message is sowell taken and I think people
are going to really, reallyenjoy this episode because it
just and thank you for sharingyour personal story, because
it's extremely beneficial tohave that explained in such a
relatable way.
So, rudy, maybe tell us wherepeople can connect with you.

(01:09:11):
Obviously, vibra Rays are avery, very high quality pair of
glasses, so you can actually getyour pair of Vibraze with the
discount code DRMAX and you'llget a discount on your pair of
Vibraze.
But explain to people wherethey can follow you, follow your

(01:09:32):
work, and perhaps getthemselves a pair of these blue
blockers.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Vivarazecom V-I-V-A-R-A-Y-Scom.
Also on Instagram, we share alot of educational content about
light and different healthtopics, and every Thursday, we
do share our newsletter bywriting a blog, depending on

(01:09:56):
what the community want to learnon light and different health
topics.
Also, it's worth mentioning Max.
I think we didn't mention this,but for people who wear
prescription glasses, we came upwith a new concept called the
UV transmitting lenses, whichcome in four in one instead of
three in one, and thatessentially solves the problem

(01:10:18):
of prescription lenses blocking100% of UVA, uvb and blue-purple
light.
So we came up with a technologyfor base frames that allow 100%
of blue-purple light and 50 to60% more UVA and UVB, and people
will wear these glasses whenthey are outside, if they're
doing any task that requiresvision, they don't need to think

(01:10:41):
about it and they'resubconsciously taking that good
lighting in their eyes, and then, when they are exposed to
artificial lighting, they'llhave three different clips for
daytime, evening and nighttime.
So that's a technology that isworth mentioning for anybody who
wears prescription glassestechnology that is worth
mentioning for anybody who wearsprescription glasses.

(01:11:03):
And other than this.
Yeah, if you have any questionsor any topics that you'd like
us to write about.
Feel free to reach out to us,and we're continuously receiving
feedback and writing differentblogs depending on what people
want to learn about.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Yeah, that's a great point.
Different blocks, depending onwhat people want to learn about.
Yeah, that that's a great pointand, I think, quite a
transformative or innovativetechnology.
Which is so many people wearingeyeglasses for um to correct,
uh, a, an impairment, myopia oror whatever else, and they the
the lenses that they'recurrently using are blocking u

(01:11:39):
light.
And what we know is that there'sthis incredibly fine-tuned
neuroendocrine feedback loopthat extends from the eyes, the
brain, to the skin as well, andto the whole body's physiology,
via the hypothalamus and thepituitary gland, which relies on
the reception of UV lightthrough the eye and that being a

(01:12:00):
congruent signal to UV light onthe skin.
So depriving our bodies of UVlight.
Essentially, you're not goingto be making those melanocortin
peptide hormones like alpha-MSH,and I really suspect that that
is one of the key unappreciateddrivers of obesity and
overeating, which is, if you'renot making alpha-MSH from POMC

(01:12:23):
in response to UV light into theeye and skin, then you're going
to be hungrier than you shouldbe and you're going to crave
eating food.
So I think we're at the cuttingedge of decentralized
ophthalmology in theunderstanding of the role of UV
light in eye health, and it'sobviously been much maligned in

(01:12:44):
centralized ophthalmology withits, I guess, blanket
attribution to the causation ofthings like cataract and
pterygium.
I think the message is much morenuanced than that, which we're
not going to go into at thispoint, but suffice to say that
they sound like a great pair ofmodular lenses to allow you to

(01:13:06):
still get some degree of naturalUV light while still being able
to do your daily life.
So maybe, rudy, you can leaveus with any parting messages or
advice for someone who'slistened to this podcast and
they.
They sound okay, this soundsgood like.
This sounds like it's important.

(01:13:26):
What would you give any advicefor someone starting out on
their circadian living journey?

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
yeah, that's a good question.
I think none of that reallymatters and none of what we
discussed is essentiallyimportant in any way, and it
will stay as informationrecorded upon your brain until
you distill it and you find away to burn it into your own
consciousness by embodying itand by making it a way of life,

(01:13:59):
and only then it becomes trueknowledge by embodying it and by
making it a way of life, andonly then it becomes true
knowledge.
And I see people often, againand again, in different
experiences, where we're havinga conversation and the moment we
start talking about thecircadian concepts, people jump
in and they say, oh yeah, I know.
And then I get really curiousand I ask oh, how do you know?

(01:14:20):
Oh, I, I listened to this on apodcast.
But then, sure enough, as we'retalking, I realized that they're
not implementing any of thatand it's only staying as an
intellectual concept thatthey've memorized and they're
really good at repeating, butthey're not really good at
embodying.
So, for anybody listening, allof the things that we've

(01:14:43):
discussed are utterly simple,like super simple and very
simple to the fact that we missthem in our day to day life.
So I just want to invite peopleto really start thinking about
how can I implement this in myday-to-day life and if you only

(01:15:07):
start with two steps, if you'rereally starting, start with
getting morning sunlight firstthing in the morning and
blocking artificial light at aconsistent time every day after
the sunset.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Great, amazing.
That's very good advice, so Ithink people are really going to
love this episode.
Thank you for your time, rudy,and yeah, be sure to check out
Vibrator Run.
And yeah, thanks for your timeand we'll talk again.

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