August 29, 2025 • 51 mins
We discuss how modern technology is negatively impacting children's metabolic, behavioural and neuro-developmental health, as well as benefits of outdoors & sunlight for children, and the potential for a new educational paradigm built on technology that respects our health.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction to Technology and Health
03:02 The Impact of Screen Time on Children
06:07 Understanding Blue Light and Its Effects
09:00 The Daylight Computer: A Healthier Alternative
11:54 The Role of Environment in Child Development
14:55 Reforming Education in the Digital Age
26:41 Revolutionizing Education with AI and Nature
29:07 The Power of Nature in Learning and Development
36:44 Harnessing Technology for a Natural Lifestyle
37:56 Healing Through Nature: A Personal Journey
42:25 The Importance of Contemplation and Reflection
44:42 Remembering Our Connection to Nature
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, back on the Regenerative Health Podcast.
I'm speaking with Tristan ScottNow.
Tristan is a good friend repeatguest.
He's an electrical engineer, heis working at Daylight Computer
and he's an expert on thehealth effects of
electromagnetic fields.
So, tristan, coming to us froma pretty special location, how
(00:20):
are you?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hey, max, great to talk and catch up.
Yeah, I'm off-grid currently inthe woods of Wyoming, so this
is where technology can actuallybe a benefit if you take
advantage of it.
So it's fun to be out here thisSunday morning.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's a fascinating statement of where human
technology has reached at thispoint in time, and I think we're
going to get into this in thisepisode about potentially how we
can use technology in a lessharmful way than it currently is
.
But maybe let's start with whatyou're up to.
You're a busy guy.
(00:58):
You've been on a couple ofpretty big podcasts recently.
You obviously got a whole lotgoing on with Daylight, so give
the people a bit of an ideaabout what's new with you.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
What's new?
Yeah, I mean the past.
I don't know when the exactlast time we chatted, but last
year, you know, we launched ourdaily computer in May.
I know we did podcasts aroundthen and we have really just
been focused on building up thebusiness, fulfilling deliveries
from those first orders atlaunch we sold out, we were sold
(01:28):
out for most of last year andnow finally catching up to
demand.
We got kind of inventory onhand for the first time ever,
which is exciting.
You know, working on productdevelopment for our roadmap and
then also focusing our and wecan get into it later a bit but
focusing our marketing efforts abit more and we're channeling
(01:50):
that now towards Daylight Kids.
It's going to be a newinitiative.
I'm not sure when this podcastwill be out, but in the next 10
days or so we're going to launcha Daylight Kids initiative
around focusing the daylight asa healthier iPad alternative for
parents, because we think andbased on my experience from the
(02:11):
past year, talking to moreparents, talking to more
teachers, educators,superintendents, leaders I don't
even need to convince mostpeople anymore in that sphere
that that screen time forchildren is a problem.
So that's really exciting.
We can talk about that.
And, yeah, I've been on somebig podcasts.
I think it seems like themomentum of the importance of
(02:33):
light and the consideration oftechnology impacting our health
is growing Especially.
You know, we've been in thespace for years now and I think
it has reached kind of a newthreshold.
And talked about people like DrRoger Schwell.
He was on Huberman's podcast aswell, so it's certainly become
(02:54):
this level of awareness, whichis great.
So, just trying to tap into that, trying to educate people that
this stuff matters and what arethe easy lifestyle choices that
you can do to kind of implementthat and what's the 80-20
approach?
And, yeah, I've been traveling alot but the last couple few
weeks, uh, kind of yeah, lateJuly getting back here in
(03:17):
Wyoming and I was wanting to dothis for a long time but finally
got an off-grid setup andcoming to you live from a place
with absolutely no service inthe national forest.
And it's cool because two yearsago, three years ago, whenever
Starlink Mini came out, likebefore then this wouldn't be
(03:39):
possible.
And it's funny because I wasinitially a big, I would say,
proponent against Starlink andall of that and you could say
it's a bit nuanced, but in termsof your exposure to non-native
EMFs and then your immersion inthe real input signals that
matter.
It really doesn't get betterthan this.
If you need to work, if you are, you know, need to be connected
(04:03):
to the internet, especiallyduring the week, so for me it's
actually pretty incredible andit's working really well, so
it's fun.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, it's amazing what you're doing.
We'll definitely speak aboutthat.
I want to riff on this idea ofiPads technology particularly
for children, and I'd like toshare an anecdote of when I was
in medical school.
I was in a pediatric outpatientclinic and it was an autism
clinic and the one patient wasobviously seeing the doctor.
(04:35):
He was being placated by hisparents' iPhone and the
dexterity by which this childwas able to navigate YouTube and
essentially was skipping usingthe double tap function on the
screen.
Ahead of you know, he'd watchabout four seconds or less of a
video and then double tap againnext, next, and it was all
(04:57):
completely.
What is it that YouTube channellike Coco, coco, melon, coco
Melon, complete, just crackcocaine for the human baby brain
.
And what I learned later wasthat there's actually a
diagnosis called virtual autismand obviously he had a diagnosed
(05:18):
syndrome.
But even children who aren'tdiagnosed as being
neurodivergent, they can displayautism-like phenotype when
technology and iPads are beingused or when they're being
removed.
So to me this is a massiveproblem, and that's not even
getting into other biologicalimplications of blue light in
that critical developmentalphase.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, I mean, it's something that I think people
again are aware of.
But then you look at theresearch and you're like, wow,
this is, it's not even debatable.
And then you look in real life,anecdotally, as you just had an
example of, and it's just sobad.
And I'm not even often aroundchildren, but when I see them
traveling and all these thingsit's it's really scary.
(06:02):
And you know the.
The research shows that youknow, not not autism, for
example, but ADHD.
If you spend I think it wasfour to five year olds if
they're more than two hours aday of screen time, there's
seven X more likely to have likeADHD type symptoms and of
course that alone is a spectrumADHD, but it's like blatantly
(06:24):
obvious.
And then speech development andoverall the correlation between
the amount of screen time whenthey're young and the younger it
is, the worse off the outcomesare and then the developmental
delays is really undeniable.
And this is coming from, youknow, the very centralized, the
(06:44):
very just, standard pediatricjournals.
This is not even somethingfringe, this is known and they
don't recommend it and I thinkit's crazy.
Now, and the biggest eye openerfor me is that in the US I
talked to all thesesuperintendents in New Hampshire
and I didn't realize that onetoto-one learning started as
(07:04):
early as kindergarten.
They're giving kids Chromebookswhen they're six years old in
some of these states, and bysecond grade, by seven, eight
years old.
It's pretty much ubiquitousacross the nation in terms of
getting a personal device.
And then, of course, theaverage age of smartphone
ownership is around what likeeight, nine years old.
(07:25):
Now it's it.
It's crazy, and you do look atthe, the actual facts of how
much the electromagnetic inputsaffect their biology.
And something that's alwaysprofound I think people don't
realize is that their, theirretinas, let in almost 50
percent more blue light.
So we're talking andsimultaneously they're holding
(07:46):
it two to three times closer totheir body than we are, so
they're getting three to four Xincreased amount of blue light
exposure, which is the mostdopaminergic.
And you combine that with thesefast moving frames of cocomelon
and these, these entertainment,children and edgy entertainment
content that is designed to beaddictive, and you no wonder why
(08:10):
that captures their entirereality.
And there are actually studiesthat show, I think, for like
four to five minutes of watchingthese types of videos and this
type of content, it hijackstheir executive function for up
to an hour, up to an hour, forjust a few minutes of watching
that.
So they become literallynon-human.
They're not children anymorebecause they're watching these
(08:35):
pieces of content on thesehyper-stimulated devices and we
wonder why now, when kids growup, they have all these mental
health, physical health andreally they're just like not
social beings anymore.
And again, I don't need toconvince anyone the teachers are
extremely concerned, theparents are extremely concerned
(08:55):
and they simply just don't havea great alternative or a good
option.
And it's a combination of thedevices, the content and also
just the lifestyle habits thateveryone's imploring, right, it
is.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
And I've observed children who are using these
iPads.
They're obviously completelyengrossed in whatever they're
looking at, compared to a childwho hasn't been given an iPad at
all.
And the child that hasn't isactually interacting with his
environment or her environmentexploring, pushing buttons,
trying to climb up things,approaching people, looking in
(09:32):
faces, doing everything that anormal child should be doing,
which is obviously critical forthese developmental milestones.
And when the iPad is given, yes, it's often expedient, it's
convenient for the parent, thisso-called digital babysitter but
(09:52):
it's having a real cost and Ithink the conversation in
society we haven't yetessentially gotten to the point
where the adult is realizingthat there's actually a cost to
outsourcing your attention, yourcare of that child to this
digital device.
And we talk about long-term sideeffects.
I mean, you just referencedthis 3x increase in blue light
(10:15):
exposure.
We know isolated blue light isessentially a photo-oxidizing
stimulus Because it is next toUV, it's a very high-energy
photon.
So what is this doing to thelifetime risk of cataract?
Are these people going to getcataracts in the age of 45 if
they continue this?
There's so many downstreamimplications that I think as a
(10:37):
society we have no idea becauseit's so novel and it's so
intense, it's not like a littlebit, as you said, these numbers
that people are talking about isthat the tech use seems to be
going up with age and and by thetime they're uh, in teen years
they are, you know, eight hoursa day or something on on these
screens, so uh, and that that'snot even including things like
(10:59):
airpods and other sources ofnon-native emf that, um, they're
, they're immersed in yeah, Imean it's inherently, I think,
cataracts probably the the leastconcerning thing, right?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I mean, they're getting these metabolic
dysfunction diseases like soyoung now and we wonder why?
And it's because their bodiesare developing and optimizing
for this artificial, completely,completely artificial reality.
So they're gettingmitochondrial dysfunction at
such an early age when theyshould be instead taking in
(11:31):
input signals to inherently maketheir biology more robust and
optimize for the real world.
Instead, they're optimizing forthis digital world.
And you see it, I mean, yeah,the mental health crises people
like Jonathan Haidt wrote aboutthese by the time they're
teenagers and since thesmartphone era, all this is
going through the roof.
(11:51):
But there's also physical, youknow, health conditions.
The metabolic dysfunction, the,you know, rate of obesity and
disease is directly correlatedwith technology, and I think
everyone always points toinactivity physically as the
cause for that.
But, as we know, the lightenvironment the blue light and
then the lack of red andinfrared drastically affects the
(12:13):
metabolic function.
So these kids are now spendingall their time indoors on
devices and instead they shouldbe outdoors playing, running
around in the sun, barefoot,getting the right stimulus to
program their biology forsuccess for the rest of their
life, and they're getting thecomplete opposite.
So it's not even they'regetting a lack of it, they're
(12:35):
getting a lack of it, plusthey're getting all the negative
inputs and, yeah, things likeRFEMF is again.
Their bodies are so muchsmaller, they have higher
biological water content,they're just developing cells,
so they're inherently like noteven 20, 30, 40% more
susceptible to negative effects.
(12:55):
It's like two, three,potentially five to 10 X, and
the younger they are, the higherthe sensitivity is, and
everyone knows that in terms ofsensitivity of young children.
But we're not doing enough toprotect them and that's
inherently, I think, to me thelargest concern in society today
(13:16):
and why, you know, working sohard to try and offer a solution
that's less stimulating andless harmful offer a solution
that's less stimulating and lessharmful.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Talk about the properties of this daylight
computer and compared to whatthey're getting when they're
looking at an iPad or asmartphone.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, I mean inherently iPad, right, it's
like a Las Vegas casino, it's aslot machine, right.
It has flickering, highlysaturated, heavy blue light that
cannot be used outdoors.
So it's magnetic.
It sucks you in.
It's designed to do that.
That's the business model ofbig tech companies to keep you
(13:56):
on screen on device longer.
So for a child, I mean, again,don't need to convince anyone
here You've seen a two to fiveyear old on an iPad, probably,
and they are completely suckedin.
And then when you take it awayfrom them, they're so enthralled
in that environment they throwa temper tantrum and it's
(14:16):
because that's how strong theeffect is on their developing
minds.
And then, of course, you can'tuse it outside and that's a big
piece of childhood, right, beingoutdoors play-based.
So the Daylight is theantithesis of that.
It's a paper-like, monochromedisplay.
So think of a Kindle in termsof the experience of it from the
(14:40):
stimulation side, but now youcan use it as a fully
functioning tablet.
It has a modified, customversion of Android, so you can
use it as a fully functioningtablet, has a modified custom
version of Android so you candownload any app.
It's amazing for reading andwriting and note-taking.
So for children, it's fantastic, maybe to read on a device for
the first time or do note-takingand practice drawing and
(15:01):
sketching, depending on the age,but eventually you can download
you Classroom, you can downloadeducational apps like Khan
Academy and actually learn onthem, and it really offers the
lowest stimulation solution as atech product.
Because, like we started thiskind of conversation, technology
(15:21):
can be great.
I mean, we now have access toalmost you know the universe's
knowledge at our fingertips.
But inherently, these devicesare just so distracting over
stimulating and social mediaalgorithms are so good now that
we don't even tap into that andwe just outsource our thinking
and attention because we can'thelp ourselves.
(15:42):
So if we remove the medium ofthe hardware interface being so
distracting over stimulating, wecan't help ourselves.
So if we've removed the mediumof the hardware interface being
so distracting, overstimulating,we can actually then focus on
what technology was originallymeant for, and that's just
learning and augmenting thehuman experience.
So it's the same for children,right, like we, you know, the
whole point of having childrenis to pass on information to the
(16:03):
next generation at a youngerage so they can start from a
better place and then by thetime they're our age, they're
going to be, you know, so farbeyond innovating and pushing
the next frontiers, and that'swhat you want to do.
Whenever they're ready for adevice, the daylight is there so
that it's just purely a tool.
It doesn't cry for theirattention, it's low stimulation
(16:27):
so they can hop on it for 10minutes, 20 minutes and then
time's over.
Or I've even seen with mynephew is three and a half.
I've seen with other kids likethey will purposefully put the
daylight down and be like I wantto go play outside or a truck
goes by and now they're allexcited about that because
that's how kids work and youwant to keep the device.
(16:49):
And a parent said thisbeautifully is like the daylight
is more interesting than my son, just like staring at a wall
and picking his nose, but it'sless interesting than going
outside and playing in thebackyard.
And that's what we want to beand, depending on the age,
they're going to use it very,very little, but having
something there.
Yeah, you're a busy parent,you're cooking dinner.
(17:09):
A few of our customers loveputting on like old school
cartoons, like 70s, 80s cartoonsthat aren't as like, designed
to be so fast frame, likeCocomelon and these newer
cartoons.
They put it on while they'recooking or after dinner, when
it's just like wind down timeand the parents want to do some
work.
And I have parents sending mepictures of their children
(17:32):
falling asleep watching acartoon on a daylight.
That's amazing because theyinherently are going to have a
much harder time falling asleepwatching Coco, melon or some of
these shows on a fully blue litiPad.
And it's because at nighttimewe also have the backlight, so
that's 100% blue light free,it's 100% flicker free and it's
(17:54):
just warm and it's like thecampfire that I had last night
in front of me here.
It's more synergistic with whatwe would experience at
nighttime.
So then you get the melatoninrelease which, as we know, for
everyone but childrenspecifically, is so important,
and studies have shown thesuppression of melatonin in
(18:15):
younger kids is like 2x that ofadults from blue light high
energy, visible exposure atnighttime.
And sleep is the most importantthing, and they need to sleep
way more.
So you can have that convenienceof something to have them wind
down while you're busy or doingwork or educational learning
(18:35):
environment as well.
And then, of course, the bestpart for me and a lot of parents
is they can go outside and useit in the sun, in the backyard
barefoot, and read something ordo their homework or do some
very basic things for a bitwhile they're outside and still
getting the benefits of being ontechnology in terms of having
(18:57):
access to this wide, vast ofinformation and educational
tools.
So we're just getting startedthere, but it's really
encouraging to see, and I thinkwe have dozens of parents who
are only using the daylight fortheir kids instead of iPads and
they love it so far, but we'rehoping to turn that into
(19:18):
hundreds and thousands very soonwith this new initiative, and I
think it's really just aneducational thing to get in
front of parents that theyrealize this is an opportunity.
And then you talk about the bigone, of course, in schools and
educational platforms in person.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, the last point I'll make about the negative
health effects because I don'twant to focus this too much on
the Duma aspect of it.
But the pediatric outpatientclinic in my local area, all
their books are closed, all ofthe public.
Pediatricians aren't seeingpatients for more than a year
and I think that a critical partof this is this melatonin
(20:03):
suppression by blue light atnight.
Because what is happening, asTristan alluded to, is that the
child looks at the iPad.
It's saturated with this highenergy visible light, this
massive blue peak.
It activates all the melanopsinin that child's retina and it
essentially turns off theirsleep hormone.
(20:23):
It turns off their body'sability to enter deep and
restful sleep.
So they have behavioral issuesbecause they're poorly rested,
they're full spectrum sunlightdeficient during night, they're
sleep deficient and melatonindeficient during nighttime.
They go to the pediatricianbecause they are having defiant
(20:45):
behaviors and all kinds of otherdevelopmental and behavioral
issues and then they get put onsupplemental melatonin as well
as probably fluoxetine andsometimes even risperidone, so
antidepressant, antipsychoticmedications, and it's a cycle.
(21:05):
It's a vicious cycle where theybecome and then later on
perhaps they also get put ondexamphetamine, um,
methylphenidate for forstimulant effect.
So they almost get interceptedinto a cycle of pharmaceutical
treatment for neurodevelopmentalissues and behavioral issues
(21:27):
which have their genesis in aexcess of blue light at night, a
disrupted circadian rhythm, alack of full-spectrum sunlight.
The critical problem here istheir light exposures, their
device use.
I empathize in many ways withparents because they're so
exasperated that the only thingthey can do is give them this
(21:47):
device.
But it's like a Faustian pact.
It's a short-term relief, butreally they're, they're, they're
harming their child um in inthe long term um yeah what?
what?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
this is sorry, go on yeah, I was just gonna say it's,
it's, it's very relatable andit's not.
You know it's, it's, it's theenvironmental conditions, right,
and it's like we went indoorsand the schooling and the light
environment there is horrible.
Or daycare, wherever these kidsare at, they're not, for
they're first off, not spendingenough time outdoors, like went
indoors and the schooling andthe light environment there is
horrible.
Or daycare, wherever these kidsare at, they're not, for
they're first off, not spendingenough time outdoors.
(22:19):
Like, forget about the devicescompletely.
Um, this was already happening,um, from the turn of of the the
21st century, and has beenexacerbated by technology.
But let alone, they're sittingunder fluorescent lights all day
in a desk.
Not enough playtime, theparents are busy, they don't
have enough time to get themoutdoors, and then you give them
(22:42):
the device.
It's like the cherry on topthat is just pushing them so
over the threshold.
And now the problem is, whenthey even do have the free time,
they don't even want to beoutside anymore because it's so
much less attractive, becausetheir dopamine has been so
captured by these devices andthat reality and they're
desensitized.
So now everything else is notas exciting and that's to me the
(23:04):
biggest tragedy, right, and Ithink that's why you've seen so
many parents clap back andthey're just like no devices at
all until they're like six oreight, or I mean even 12 or 13,
and I support that fully like,if you are of that mindset,
we're not here to sell you likedaylights when you're not ready
(23:25):
for it.
The whole premise is, eventuallyand inevitably, it is very
important for childhooddevelopment to be in this
technological, digital world,but to access it responsibly and
still be able to have theoutdoors.
The natural world is the mainshow for kids, even if they're
teenagers.
(23:45):
They should be just like ridingaround town on bikes and just
walking around, you know, like10, 11 year olds, and in some
places in the U S you never seethat anymore.
It's like foreign.
So it's it's amazing to seethat out here, and that's why I
just want to it or teachers,because that is necessary at a
(24:07):
certain point.
However, if you don't do theother things, if you don't get
them outside, if you don't havea better light environment, and
sometimes you can't control itif you're in public or private
(24:27):
school, so really put emphasison on the weekends or after
school time, like like it's.
It's part of the entire equationthat needs to shift and I am
excited because, being in thisnow education world, I would say
for the first time maybe sinceeducation started in terms of
this factory, almostfactory-based education model in
(24:48):
the 20th century and you candebate the origins of that but
really we're seeing a shift ineducation for the first time, I
think, in a very, very long time, because of COVID, because of
homeschooling is skyrocketing inpopularity and because of this
access to information and nowyou know you can use AI tools
(25:09):
and things for teaching andtutoring and some people are
like that's not great, somepeople are concerned, but it's
with everything here.
Technology, if you use itresponsibly, it's extremely,
extremely valuable todevelopment, to education, to
learning, and we now have thisnewfound freedom.
So I think it's really excitingand we're just on the precipice
(25:32):
of it, but, like education isactually reforming for the first
time, you know, in this modernworld since it started to be
kind of the standard approachfrom maybe a hundred years ago.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, I'm so glad you raised that, because, let's, I
want to riff on this.
I want to add some color to thepicture you've just painted.
I mean, the modern educationsystem essentially evolved to
provide compliant worker dronesfor an industrial revolution.
You cram all the kids into aroom in lines of desks, they all
have to face the front and theyhave something like eight hours
(26:07):
historically copying lines offthe blackboard.
With these tools that we nowhave, I think the future is so
bright for people who are awareof these issues, because what
I've envisioned is outdoorlearning.
I think the Germans had a coupleof forest school concepts.
(26:27):
Maybe it was Rudolf Steiner.
Everyone has their bare feet onthe ground, everyone is
surrounded by greenery, sothey're getting massive amounts
of near-infrared light, which weknow from Zimmerman and Ryder's
work, is essentially beingconcentrated into the deep
regions of the brain by thecerebrospinal fluid.
They are using AI tools totailor a really appropriate and
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advanced curriculum at the speedof that student.
Suddenly, you are completelyflipping the book on modern
education.
They're not under thisartificial light, they're not
sitting under a Wi-Fi router andthey're probably not even
spending that many hours a daylearning.
They don't need to be there foreight hours.
You could do the learning in anhour and a half, two hours and
then rest of the time.
(27:16):
You know, be a human.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Just going out and play.
Yeah, play-based childhoodright, it's crazy and that's
where I want to put thatemphasis on Like it's so insane.
I think that threshold to me islike they're getting
Chromebooks at six to eightyears old, when I think, even
until they're like pureteenagers the majority of their
time and that's yeah.
Again, what the professionalsrecommend and this isn't fringe
(27:41):
is like is play based childhoodis outdoors, and then, yeah, you
do progressively more and morelearning over time.
But them being out here, um,I'm like I don't even know what
all these trees are or all thefish that you know we're
catching here, the differentvariations, and it's like that's
education.
It's like what happened tobeing masters of our local
(28:03):
environment and understandingthe impact there.
There's a world of education tobe had in the physical realm and
I think delaying the digitaland being very strategic and
targeted with it is really thekey.
But, yeah, it's exciting.
I mean, I'm very excited aboutit and I think a lot of people
are waking up to it and to me,that's why we're focused on it
(28:26):
at Daylight, because this iswhere we can have the largest
impact, right, like it'sbeneficial from our business, of
course, because we can be themost successful, but the reason
we can be the most successful isbecause it's authentic, we're
the most passionate about it andwe can have the largest impact.
Talk about the next generation,setting them up for success
instead of failure.
I mean that to me, is like thatshould be the number one issue
(28:50):
in society to figure out,because if we don't do that,
then the future of the humanrace is pretty bleak.
Right Like, our children areeverything and we need to start
acting like responsible adultswhen it comes to how we're
raising and educating ourchildren.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, absolutely.
Let's pivot to what you'redoing and how you're enabling to
speak to me right now, becausefor the listener you know, I
you're in the backwoods ofwyoming and there's no lag on
this conversation that we'redoing.
So we're talking at 720pquality and I'm hearing you
perfectly well, I'm seeing youperfectly well.
(29:28):
So how is this even possiblewith, with this current setup
that you've got?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, yeah, the one thing well, it depends on your
opinion of him that Elon hasdone well is Starlink.
So there is thousands of lowEarth orbit LEO satellites,
which again has a debatableeffect on our galactic presence.
But it allows me to haveperfect internet out here, as
(29:55):
long as you have a line of sightthrough trees.
So it's actually funny.
I have, like, the tailgate ofmy car open to make sure I can
get a straight shot through thetrees here.
Um, but once you have line ofsight, you can get, you know,
perfect internet and the benefit.
Even because I was, you know, Iwas concerned at first.
I was like we're gettingirradiated without consent when
(30:18):
you go into nature.
You should just be off offline.
That's the whole point.
But of course is now I'm, likeyou know, extremely busy running
a startup, 12-hour work daysconstantly.
I'm like, okay, if I'm gonna bestaring at a screen all day
long and on meetings and justworking in this digital world, I
need to be immersed in thenatural world simultaneously.
(30:41):
That's the only way this isgoing to work and that's kind of
what this enables.
So it's fantastic and I'll getinto the EMF piece a bit.
But I have a thousand watt hour, one kilowatt hour battery pack
and 200 watts of solar.
So I've been out here over aweek straight now and I have not
(31:03):
needed to put on any gasgenerator, I've not needed to
turn on my car even, and mybattery packs are like 70% just
using renewable energy from thesun, which Wyoming is very sunny
.
Um, it's nice that this worksout and that's powering the
Starlink mini, it's rechargingmy devices and, yeah, it's
fantastic.
And you can hardwire.
(31:24):
So, um, you can hardwire theinternet right from the Starlink
so that you're getting justethernet.
So that's what I do and you can.
You can disable the wi-fiantennas on on the starlink mini
as well.
You have to be careful becausethat does require a factory
reset.
So once you do it, you're likelocked into no wi-fi.
(31:46):
But even when I measure Ibrought my emf meters out here
and I'm not sure exactly, but itseems like the Wi-Fi antenna on
the Starlink is not as strongas like a normal router.
So the EMF reading when I cameout well, first off, when I came
out here, I took my RF EMFmeter.
The baseline is zero.
(32:07):
It's like maybe it peaks tolike 0.01 microwatts per meter,
squared every like 20 seconds.
But that's what I want peopleto understand.
The 200 megahertz to eightgigahertz range that I measure
on the safe and sound pro twometer, it's zero out here.
That's the natural baseline.
(32:29):
And then I turned on theStarlink mini and again I'm not
I'm not actually that far awayfrom like 15 feet away from it.
And even when I turned it onand I have it on with the Wi Fi
like still enabled, it's like 30to 50 microwatts per meter
squared, which is really reallylow.
It's still in that green zoneof the safe and sound pro two.
(32:50):
So I'm thinking the Wi Fiantenna is like pretty like weak
in comparison because mostpeople are going to use it in
very close proximity.
It's not for like hey, if youhave a starlink mini, it's
probably going to be like inyour campground, in your
sprinter van or potentially likejust right next to you.
So they're not, they're notoptimizing for range.
Uh, so I've noticed that the RFoutput, even if you're just with
(33:14):
Wi-Fi, is very low.
Actually, 30 to 50 microwattsper meter squared is the
baseline of my house in Wyoming.
When I have nothing on, whenI'm airplane mode, everything,
no Wi-Fi just from the residualRF from cellular communications
and this is in a very small town.
If you're in the city, yourbaseline is probably going to be
(33:35):
5x that, even 10x that, even ifyou have everything off.
So there's again levels to allof this.
And what you can do is, if youdon't want to factory reset and
disable the Wi Fi, you can kindof do what I've been doing is
just Ethernet to your device.
So then your device isn'temitting anything, because it's
actually the devices that aremore important than the router
(33:58):
itself, right?
So if you Ethernet and actuallyare sitting in front of a
MacBook or a daylight or yourphone all day and that's on
airplane mode and just gettingEthernet internet, then you're I
mean you're you're loweringyour, your RF so much and you
can get like DC again,everything's DC, the battery's
DC, the solar's DC and you canpower all your electronics, the
(34:23):
Starlink, all DC.
The reason why we plug into ourAC power grid is just because
that's the electricity source.
So it's nice having a full DCsetup because, because you don't
get the emfs from the switchingpower supplies and the
rectification of going from acto dc, now there's not, there's
still a dc magnetic fieldexposure.
(34:43):
So you still want to like putdistance between you and and
devices, but it's really great.
So you're pretty much reducingall of the noise while you're
simultaneously augmenting thesignal, the real input signals
from nature, the earth's naturalmagnetic field, the I mean the
beneficial aromatic compounds,the negative ions in the air,
(35:07):
the negative ions from theground and the solar spectrum is
.
I mean, it's full blast outhere and I'm not sitting out
here getting fried in, you know,high UV summer at I'm not 9 000
feet of elevation, almost 3 000meters as well, but there's so
much um, you know, shade here aswell, and trees, and then again
(35:27):
, as you already mentioned, thenear infrared exposure is is
through the roof because of allthe greenery and it's just like
wow, I'm sitting out here.
I had a buddy visit me too.
He's like.
He's like this, is it man?
This is like.
He's like you figured it out,because I think everyone's
yearning right Like that workenvironment is.
(35:48):
So it's such a drag, but if wecan somehow figure out how to
become synergistic with ournatural world and still be in
the digital medium, that to meis the biggest unlock.
So I know people in sprintervans kind of do this, but I
wouldn't be surprised if thisbecomes like extremely Sprinter
(36:09):
vans kind of do this.
But I wouldn't be surprised ifthis becomes like extremely,
extremely popular in the comingyears and I'm certainly my goal
is to spend 75% of days andnights up until mid-October
doing this and I need to kind ofget a few more things.
But we're talking about areasonably affordable setup.
I mean, people spend five grandon a rooftop tent, they spend a
hundred grand on a sprinter vanand all this overlanding stuff
(36:32):
and for a couple of grand youcan get a Starlink Mini, a
battery pack and, you know, campchairs, solar tables.
It's really affordable in myopinion.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Maybe, if you have time, you could write a quick
sub stack with your setup.
I'm sure people would love tosee the breakdown of the
products so they can get intothat.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
It's a Jackery, like one kilowatt hour combo with the
200 watts of solar.
You can literally buy it onAmazon for I think it was like
$650 US and the rest, yeah,starlink Mini.
So that's.
It's pretty simple.
It's pretty simple.
The rest is like my hodgepodgeof camping equipment that needs
to be upgraded.
And yeah, I got a bow and arrowout here practicing for hunting
(37:19):
season.
I got a kettlebell and mace andchopping firewood.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
It just feels so right that this is how we'd
spend our off moments, right, soit's great the the some of my
followers who've aware of youand have followed you from the
beginning maybe your initialpodcasts and your talk at
regenerate would know that yourentry point into this health
space was a post-concussivesyndrome and essentially having
(37:46):
to heal yourself of aneurological injury.
How are you?
Do you get any symptoms?
I'm guessing that they'repretty minimal when you're
outside in this environment.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, I feel incredible.
I've also been doing some moreintense trail running, hiking,
training for a big summit.
I got coming up here in acouple of highest point in
wyoming.
It's like 70 kilometers and 9000 feet of elevation game in
one day.
But I, the first day I got uphere, you know, I did like a 16
mile trail run and youdefinitely feel the elevation.
(38:21):
But even with that I I stillfelt like my nervous system just
so relaxed, like just able totake a deep breath and since
then, as I'm fully acclimatizedto the elevation, sleeping out
here, the temperature as wellit's, it's cooler, so it's like
35, 40 c in my town and I justwas like not having that anymore
(38:42):
.
I was like I need to cool offand go to the mountains and
that's kind of what you know.
That's.
That's the traditional, um,kind of cyclicality of how it
would go, like you can't come uphere and in January it's
actually you can't even drive uphere.
The roads are closed and it'sfull on winter, but in the
summer this is where life ismost abundant, um, and in the
(39:03):
plains it actually becomes lessabundant.
So it's like as humans we wouldfollow the sprawling life that
exists and I feel so much better.
I sleep really well.
I mean, again, the nervoussystem just feels so relaxed.
And to me that's what it's allabout, because I am quote
unquote sensitive and I thinkeveryone who dials in their
(39:25):
health inherently becomes moresensitive.
I've made this argumentrecently that I think this is
kind of a sometimes a negativeconnotation in the health space,
like, oh, you become sensitiveand maybe less resilient.
It's like no, no, no.
Sensitivity is the essence ofbeing alive as a human and we
have become so desensitized toour environment then we no
(39:48):
longer have this like magicalintuition, we no longer have
this appreciation for what isreal and the devices, the
technology, these artificialenvironments have desensitized
us.
So when you can remove yourselffrom that and put yourself back
into what really matters, youfeel so much better.
Your nervous system relaxes.
(40:08):
You don't feel that pull Like,yeah, I have my iPhone here, I
have access to social media.
I'd rather go walk around thelake that's a hundred feet away
or like catch some fish or gofor a run, and there aren't like
the ultra bright, saturatedcolors here.
There's like the realisticcolor palette, but there's a
landscape that's so captivatingthat this is what really we're
(40:32):
meant to take in as, like, thedopaminergic signals.
And that's where you reallyneed to reset your baseline in
order to feel that.
And I think it's incredible andwhen you can really tap into it
it almost becomes a superpowerto have that sensitivity and
intuition come back into yourlife.
And I think that is really whattechnology has eroded, along
(40:55):
with this complete eliminationof moments, free moments of
thought, like we don't have anyfree moments anymore to just
think and look back and reflectand be like, okay, whatever I'm
working on, whether it'spersonal growth, whether it's
(41:15):
business growth, whether it'sjust education, like so many
brilliant ideas come from and somany philosophers, so many
great leaders they didn't spendall their day just like working.
They spent so much of their timecontemplating, reflecting and
thinking.
And now it's extremelychallenging to do that.
And I find being in a verynatural setting, like I wake up
(41:37):
at 7am and sometimes I don'tstart, I don't turn Starlink on
until 9am, or I wake up at6.30am and I don't start working
until 8.39am, because I spendthe first hour and a half like
walking around, being in nature,gathering firewood, shooting my
bow, making breakfast, and thatallows me to really reflect on
what I'm going to do for the day, the past few days of work,
(41:59):
personal growth and then justthe appreciation for what
matters, and I find my nervoussystem and my overall health is
so much better off because ofthat.
So yeah, I don't really haveany negative effects, other than
when I go run up to 12,000 feetor 13,000 feet.
Of course I get hypoxic and abit worn from that, but that's,
(42:23):
I think, quite normal.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
So yeah, yeah, so hormetic, beneficial stress.
But the point aboutcontemplation anyone who's done
even a little bit of meditationhas noticed that thought springs
from the stillness when you'redoing nothing, when your mind is
clear.
You can have some of your bestideas in that stillness and,
(42:46):
just like you, hiking in nature,usually by myself, with no one
else, is when I've gotten themost clarity and the most
breakthrough when it comes toeverything that you've talked
about, all those littledifferent domains of life.
About a month ago we did ourcircadian living retreat and we
were teaching people a lot ofwhat you right now Living
(43:10):
Retreat, and we were teachingpeople a lot of what you right
now, tristan, are doing justnaturally in this setup that
you've got in the middle of thebackwards there, and not
everyone.
I guess the message here is noteveryone potentially can go the
whole hog at this point, but ifyou can work towards a setup, a
lifestyle, a routine thatincludes just more of these
(43:32):
components, then you are goingto be doing so much better for
your health, for your cognitivefunction, for your inner peace,
uh, than simply being, you know,trapped inside and it's uh,
it's, it's like.
It's like reteaching people howto be a savage human and a wild
human, and when I say that topeople they kind of look at me a
(43:52):
bit funny.
But that is the process of alot of what this health story is
, this mitochondrial story.
It's how do you give yourmitochondrial colony what they
want?
Well, you have to be a savagehuman again, you have to be in
touch with the light-dark cycles, you have to have your bare
feet on the earth, you have tojump in the cold water in the
morning and eat some of thatlocally harvested game during
(44:18):
the day.
It's a remembering, and I thinkthat's one of the catch lines
of Dr Paul Sardino.
I know who you spoke torecently is is the?
Is the remembering?
So and yeah, any, any, uh,maybe talk a little bit about,
um, yeah, your, your, yourthoughts about that and how this
(44:40):
message is potentially gettingout.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I , I totally understand that.
I mean people probably look atme and they think, like a lot of
this is completely unrealistic.
And you know, I've been workingtowards this for years and
years and I'm very thankful Ihave a remote job and, to be
honest, this is like on brandfor daylight, right.
So it's very, very fortunate.
But what I want to alwayspreface is that you can be a
(45:04):
weekend warrior and get a vastmajority of these benefits Even
if you're working nine to fivein office, I mean, even if your
kids are in school as well.
It's the same thing, right, anda lot of these studies, like
the CU Boulder study about acircadian reset from just one
weekend camping.
I read another study yesterdayor Friday that said the same
thing about natural killer cellsin your immune system can
(45:27):
increase 50% by forest bathing.
This is a Japanese study.
I've been going down this.
Like you know, air ionizationbenefits of being in the forest,
rabbit holes, and it goesbeyond just red light and
grounding, like it's somulti-dimensional and we don't
even really understand.
But most of the data suggeststhat two to three days out in
the wilderness really carriesthrough for kind of, the rest of
(45:50):
the week if you want to say so,if you're constantly like
prioritizing your weekends to beimmersed in nature and then
during the week doing the bestthat you can, that is huge.
I mean that's like a stepfunction increase in being
exposed.
And yeah, it's also funny I wastalking with my friend here.
It's.
It is crazy because not verylong ago we were just living
(46:13):
pretty much outside I mean theWest and the U?
S is a prime example where,like uh, it was, it was crazy.
I mean people were up here justhunting for trading, um.
But we have this luxury now towhere it's it's much safer
actually to be out in thewilderness or you can have that
kind of relaxed nervous systembecause I don't really have a
super high fear of, you know,running into another human that
(46:35):
could potentially kill me,because that's what used to
happen like 150 years ago.
Or I am aware of, like thewilderness and the wildlife that
could potentially harm me.
And, worst case, I do haveinternet, I do have like a
satellite in reach and I amclose enough to population
centers to where I know it'll beall right and I'm not going to
run out of food because I canstock up and then come out here,
(46:58):
supplement with with locallycaught trout, or or or or or
game, and I think that's, that'smassive, because that's like
it's really for the first time,um, we're, we're able to do that
, um, so, yeah, I, I wouldimplore everyone to just try and
spend as much time as aspossible out outdoors, and
(47:21):
especially in the months, where,um, it's, it's really nice and
and we just get back into thatcyclicality of life and that is
the remembering and the humanspirit and kind of generational
knowledge is really that's whatit's here, it's not in these
artificial environments, and wereally lose what it is to be
(47:44):
human when we're just so caughtup in, we're so up in the
day-to-day and then we're socaught up in these artificial
environments.
So it's, yeah, it is aremembering, but it's, uh, it's
also just fun to, I think, letloose a bit and really tap into
to what is real yeah, amen tothat and maybe we'll wrap up.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
I think this has been a great exposition and
justification of why peopleshould be more intentional about
their light exposures, theirinteractions, the indoor
environment, the outdoorenvironments.
So where, where can peoplelearn about, I mean, the more
about the day?
You go to the daylight website?
I've actually got a link.
You can go to my link tree.
You can buy yourself a daylighton on my uh, on my uh link tree
(48:30):
.
Well, how else can people kindof find out more about this?
Speaker 2 (48:34):
yeah, so we're gonna launch kidsdaylightcomputercom.
So that's gonna be a whole newwebsite, a kids bundle, like
education and also anecdotalkind of experiences for parents,
um, with a kid's case, and youknow different stylists.
So that's coming in the nextweek, so, depending on when this
comes out, but end of Augustand there'll be a lot more
(48:57):
coming on that front and socials.
But, yeah, dailycomputercom isthe main website and you can go
there.
We have inventory shipped in acouple of days and then, yeah,
I'm on socials trying toinventory shifts in a couple
days and then, yeah, I'm onsocials trying to.
I have this really aversion totrying to regularly be back
posting on social media becauseit does suck you in so much, but
(49:17):
I'm trying to educate more onthe benefits of outdoors and
once the kids stuff launches,definitely going to be posting
more about that aspect as well.
Um, so, yeah, twitter atBitcoin underscore beef still
and Tristan underscore health onInstagram and at Daylight Co on
social.
So, yeah, that's a priority andI'm really excited.
(49:40):
So appreciate the catch up chatMax.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Cool, awesome, well, everyone's got that info.
So, yeah, check it out andhopefully we can start changing
things, changing the wayhumanity and the next generation
interacts with light andhopefully push that into a
positive way.
So thanks, tristan, and enjoythe backwoods of Wyoming.
Thanks, man Will do.
Okay, back on the Regenerative Health Podcast.
I'm speaking with Tristan ScottNow.
Tristan is a good friend repeatguest.
He's an electrical engineer, heis working at Daylight Computer
and he's an expert on thehealth effects of
electromagnetic fields.
So, tristan, coming to us froma pretty special location, how
(00:20):
are you?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hey, max, great to talk and catch up.
Yeah, I'm off-grid currently inthe woods of Wyoming, so this
is where technology can actuallybe a benefit if you take
advantage of it.
So it's fun to be out here thisSunday morning.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's a fascinating statement of where human
technology has reached at thispoint in time, and I think we're
going to get into this in thisepisode about potentially how we
can use technology in a lessharmful way than it currently is
.
But maybe let's start with whatyou're up to.
You're a busy guy.
(00:58):
You've been on a couple ofpretty big podcasts recently.
You obviously got a whole lotgoing on with Daylight, so give
the people a bit of an ideaabout what's new with you.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
What's new?
Yeah, I mean the past.
I don't know when the exactlast time we chatted, but last
year, you know, we launched ourdaily computer in May.
I know we did podcasts aroundthen and we have really just
been focused on building up thebusiness, fulfilling deliveries
from those first orders atlaunch we sold out, we were sold
(01:28):
out for most of last year andnow finally catching up to
demand.
We got kind of inventory onhand for the first time ever,
which is exciting.
You know, working on productdevelopment for our roadmap and
then also focusing our and wecan get into it later a bit but
focusing our marketing efforts abit more and we're channeling
(01:50):
that now towards Daylight Kids.
It's going to be a newinitiative.
I'm not sure when this podcastwill be out, but in the next 10
days or so we're going to launcha Daylight Kids initiative
around focusing the daylight asa healthier iPad alternative for
parents, because we think andbased on my experience from the
(02:11):
past year, talking to moreparents, talking to more
teachers, educators,superintendents, leaders I don't
even need to convince mostpeople anymore in that sphere
that that screen time forchildren is a problem.
So that's really exciting.
We can talk about that.
And, yeah, I've been on somebig podcasts.
I think it seems like themomentum of the importance of
(02:33):
light and the consideration oftechnology impacting our health
is growing Especially.
You know, we've been in thespace for years now and I think
it has reached kind of a newthreshold.
And talked about people like DrRoger Schwell.
He was on Huberman's podcast aswell, so it's certainly become
(02:54):
this level of awareness, whichis great.
So, just trying to tap into that, trying to educate people that
this stuff matters and what arethe easy lifestyle choices that
you can do to kind of implementthat and what's the 80-20
approach?
And, yeah, I've been traveling alot but the last couple few
weeks, uh, kind of yeah, lateJuly getting back here in
(03:17):
Wyoming and I was wanting to dothis for a long time but finally
got an off-grid setup andcoming to you live from a place
with absolutely no service inthe national forest.
And it's cool because two yearsago, three years ago, whenever
Starlink Mini came out, likebefore then this wouldn't be
(03:39):
possible.
And it's funny because I wasinitially a big, I would say,
proponent against Starlink andall of that and you could say
it's a bit nuanced, but in termsof your exposure to non-native
EMFs and then your immersion inthe real input signals that
matter.
It really doesn't get betterthan this.
If you need to work, if you are, you know, need to be connected
(04:03):
to the internet, especiallyduring the week, so for me it's
actually pretty incredible andit's working really well, so
it's fun.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, it's amazing what you're doing.
We'll definitely speak aboutthat.
I want to riff on this idea ofiPads technology particularly
for children, and I'd like toshare an anecdote of when I was
in medical school.
I was in a pediatric outpatientclinic and it was an autism
clinic and the one patient wasobviously seeing the doctor.
(04:35):
He was being placated by hisparents' iPhone and the
dexterity by which this childwas able to navigate YouTube and
essentially was skipping usingthe double tap function on the
screen.
Ahead of you know, he'd watchabout four seconds or less of a
video and then double tap againnext, next, and it was all
(04:57):
completely.
What is it that YouTube channellike Coco, coco, melon, coco
Melon, complete, just crackcocaine for the human baby brain
.
And what I learned later wasthat there's actually a
diagnosis called virtual autismand obviously he had a diagnosed
(05:18):
syndrome.
But even children who aren'tdiagnosed as being
neurodivergent, they can displayautism-like phenotype when
technology and iPads are beingused or when they're being
removed.
So to me this is a massiveproblem, and that's not even
getting into other biologicalimplications of blue light in
that critical developmentalphase.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, I mean, it's something that I think people
again are aware of.
But then you look at theresearch and you're like, wow,
this is, it's not even debatable.
And then you look in real life,anecdotally, as you just had an
example of, and it's just sobad.
And I'm not even often aroundchildren, but when I see them
traveling and all these thingsit's it's really scary.
(06:02):
And you know the.
The research shows that youknow, not not autism, for
example, but ADHD.
If you spend I think it wasfour to five year olds if
they're more than two hours aday of screen time, there's
seven X more likely to have likeADHD type symptoms and of
course that alone is a spectrumADHD, but it's like blatantly
(06:24):
obvious.
And then speech development andoverall the correlation between
the amount of screen time whenthey're young and the younger it
is, the worse off the outcomesare and then the developmental
delays is really undeniable.
And this is coming from, youknow, the very centralized, the
(06:44):
very just, standard pediatricjournals.
This is not even somethingfringe, this is known and they
don't recommend it and I thinkit's crazy.
Now, and the biggest eye openerfor me is that in the US I
talked to all thesesuperintendents in New Hampshire
and I didn't realize that onetoto-one learning started as
(07:04):
early as kindergarten.
They're giving kids Chromebookswhen they're six years old in
some of these states, and bysecond grade, by seven, eight
years old.
It's pretty much ubiquitousacross the nation in terms of
getting a personal device.
And then, of course, theaverage age of smartphone
ownership is around what likeeight, nine years old.
(07:25):
Now it's it.
It's crazy, and you do look atthe, the actual facts of how
much the electromagnetic inputsaffect their biology.
And something that's alwaysprofound I think people don't
realize is that their, theirretinas, let in almost 50
percent more blue light.
So we're talking andsimultaneously they're holding
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it two to three times closer totheir body than we are, so
they're getting three to four Xincreased amount of blue light
exposure, which is the mostdopaminergic.
And you combine that with thesefast moving frames of cocomelon
and these, these entertainment,children and edgy entertainment
content that is designed to beaddictive, and you no wonder why
(08:10):
that captures their entirereality.
And there are actually studiesthat show, I think, for like
four to five minutes of watchingthese types of videos and this
type of content, it hijackstheir executive function for up
to an hour, up to an hour, forjust a few minutes of watching
that.
So they become literallynon-human.
They're not children anymorebecause they're watching these
(08:35):
pieces of content on thesehyper-stimulated devices and we
wonder why now, when kids growup, they have all these mental
health, physical health andreally they're just like not
social beings anymore.
And again, I don't need toconvince anyone the teachers are
extremely concerned, theparents are extremely concerned
(08:55):
and they simply just don't havea great alternative or a good
option.
And it's a combination of thedevices, the content and also
just the lifestyle habits thateveryone's imploring, right, it
is.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
And I've observed children who are using these
iPads.
They're obviously completelyengrossed in whatever they're
looking at, compared to a childwho hasn't been given an iPad at
all.
And the child that hasn't isactually interacting with his
environment or her environmentexploring, pushing buttons,
trying to climb up things,approaching people, looking in
(09:32):
faces, doing everything that anormal child should be doing,
which is obviously critical forthese developmental milestones.
And when the iPad is given, yes, it's often expedient, it's
convenient for the parent, thisso-called digital babysitter but
(09:52):
it's having a real cost and Ithink the conversation in
society we haven't yetessentially gotten to the point
where the adult is realizingthat there's actually a cost to
outsourcing your attention, yourcare of that child to this
digital device.
And we talk about long-term sideeffects.
I mean, you just referencedthis 3x increase in blue light
(10:15):
exposure.
We know isolated blue light isessentially a photo-oxidizing
stimulus Because it is next toUV, it's a very high-energy
photon.
So what is this doing to thelifetime risk of cataract?
Are these people going to getcataracts in the age of 45 if
they continue this?
There's so many downstreamimplications that I think as a
(10:37):
society we have no idea becauseit's so novel and it's so
intense, it's not like a littlebit, as you said, these numbers
that people are talking about isthat the tech use seems to be
going up with age and and by thetime they're uh, in teen years
they are, you know, eight hoursa day or something on on these
screens, so uh, and that that'snot even including things like
(10:59):
airpods and other sources ofnon-native emf that, um, they're
, they're immersed in yeah, Imean it's inherently, I think,
cataracts probably the the leastconcerning thing, right?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I mean, they're getting these metabolic
dysfunction diseases like soyoung now and we wonder why?
And it's because their bodiesare developing and optimizing
for this artificial, completely,completely artificial reality.
So they're gettingmitochondrial dysfunction at
such an early age when theyshould be instead taking in
(11:31):
input signals to inherently maketheir biology more robust and
optimize for the real world.
Instead, they're optimizing forthis digital world.
And you see it, I mean, yeah,the mental health crises people
like Jonathan Haidt wrote aboutthese by the time they're
teenagers and since thesmartphone era, all this is
going through the roof.
(11:51):
But there's also physical, youknow, health conditions.
The metabolic dysfunction, the,you know, rate of obesity and
disease is directly correlatedwith technology, and I think
everyone always points toinactivity physically as the
cause for that.
But, as we know, the lightenvironment the blue light and
then the lack of red andinfrared drastically affects the
(12:13):
metabolic function.
So these kids are now spendingall their time indoors on
devices and instead they shouldbe outdoors playing, running
around in the sun, barefoot,getting the right stimulus to
program their biology forsuccess for the rest of their
life, and they're getting thecomplete opposite.
So it's not even they'regetting a lack of it, they're
(12:35):
getting a lack of it, plusthey're getting all the negative
inputs and, yeah, things likeRFEMF is again.
Their bodies are so muchsmaller, they have higher
biological water content,they're just developing cells,
so they're inherently like noteven 20, 30, 40% more
susceptible to negative effects.
(12:55):
It's like two, three,potentially five to 10 X, and
the younger they are, the higherthe sensitivity is, and
everyone knows that in terms ofsensitivity of young children.
But we're not doing enough toprotect them and that's
inherently, I think, to me thelargest concern in society today
(13:16):
and why, you know, working sohard to try and offer a solution
that's less stimulating andless harmful offer a solution
that's less stimulating and lessharmful.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Talk about the properties of this daylight
computer and compared to whatthey're getting when they're
looking at an iPad or asmartphone.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, I mean inherently iPad, right, it's
like a Las Vegas casino, it's aslot machine, right.
It has flickering, highlysaturated, heavy blue light that
cannot be used outdoors.
So it's magnetic.
It sucks you in.
It's designed to do that.
That's the business model ofbig tech companies to keep you
(13:56):
on screen on device longer.
So for a child, I mean, again,don't need to convince anyone
here You've seen a two to fiveyear old on an iPad, probably,
and they are completely suckedin.
And then when you take it awayfrom them, they're so enthralled
in that environment they throwa temper tantrum and it's
(14:16):
because that's how strong theeffect is on their developing
minds.
And then, of course, you can'tuse it outside and that's a big
piece of childhood, right, beingoutdoors play-based.
So the Daylight is theantithesis of that.
It's a paper-like, monochromedisplay.
So think of a Kindle in termsof the experience of it from the
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stimulation side, but now youcan use it as a fully
functioning tablet.
It has a modified, customversion of Android, so you can
use it as a fully functioningtablet, has a modified custom
version of Android so you candownload any app.
It's amazing for reading andwriting and note-taking.
So for children, it's fantastic, maybe to read on a device for
the first time or do note-takingand practice drawing and
(15:01):
sketching, depending on the age,but eventually you can download
you Classroom, you can downloadeducational apps like Khan
Academy and actually learn onthem, and it really offers the
lowest stimulation solution as atech product.
Because, like we started thiskind of conversation, technology
(15:21):
can be great.
I mean, we now have access toalmost you know the universe's
knowledge at our fingertips.
But inherently, these devicesare just so distracting over
stimulating and social mediaalgorithms are so good now that
we don't even tap into that andwe just outsource our thinking
and attention because we can'thelp ourselves.
(15:42):
So if we remove the medium ofthe hardware interface being so
distracting over stimulating, wecan't help ourselves.
So if we've removed the mediumof the hardware interface being
so distracting, overstimulating,we can actually then focus on
what technology was originallymeant for, and that's just
learning and augmenting thehuman experience.
So it's the same for children,right, like we, you know, the
whole point of having childrenis to pass on information to the
(16:03):
next generation at a youngerage so they can start from a
better place and then by thetime they're our age, they're
going to be, you know, so farbeyond innovating and pushing
the next frontiers, and that'swhat you want to do.
Whenever they're ready for adevice, the daylight is there so
that it's just purely a tool.
It doesn't cry for theirattention, it's low stimulation
(16:27):
so they can hop on it for 10minutes, 20 minutes and then
time's over.
Or I've even seen with mynephew is three and a half.
I've seen with other kids likethey will purposefully put the
daylight down and be like I wantto go play outside or a truck
goes by and now they're allexcited about that because
that's how kids work and youwant to keep the device.
(16:49):
And a parent said thisbeautifully is like the daylight
is more interesting than my son, just like staring at a wall
and picking his nose, but it'sless interesting than going
outside and playing in thebackyard.
And that's what we want to beand, depending on the age,
they're going to use it very,very little, but having
something there.
Yeah, you're a busy parent,you're cooking dinner.
(17:09):
A few of our customers loveputting on like old school
cartoons, like 70s, 80s cartoonsthat aren't as like, designed
to be so fast frame, likeCocomelon and these newer
cartoons.
They put it on while they'recooking or after dinner, when
it's just like wind down timeand the parents want to do some
work.
And I have parents sending mepictures of their children
(17:32):
falling asleep watching acartoon on a daylight.
That's amazing because theyinherently are going to have a
much harder time falling asleepwatching Coco, melon or some of
these shows on a fully blue litiPad.
And it's because at nighttimewe also have the backlight, so
that's 100% blue light free,it's 100% flicker free and it's
(17:54):
just warm and it's like thecampfire that I had last night
in front of me here.
It's more synergistic with whatwe would experience at
nighttime.
So then you get the melatoninrelease which, as we know, for
everyone but childrenspecifically, is so important,
and studies have shown thesuppression of melatonin in
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younger kids is like 2x that ofadults from blue light high
energy, visible exposure atnighttime.
And sleep is the most importantthing, and they need to sleep
way more.
So you can have that convenienceof something to have them wind
down while you're busy or doingwork or educational learning
(18:35):
environment as well.
And then, of course, the bestpart for me and a lot of parents
is they can go outside and useit in the sun, in the backyard
barefoot, and read something ordo their homework or do some
very basic things for a bitwhile they're outside and still
getting the benefits of being ontechnology in terms of having
(18:57):
access to this wide, vast ofinformation and educational
tools.
So we're just getting startedthere, but it's really
encouraging to see, and I thinkwe have dozens of parents who
are only using the daylight fortheir kids instead of iPads and
they love it so far, but we'rehoping to turn that into
(19:18):
hundreds and thousands very soonwith this new initiative, and I
think it's really just aneducational thing to get in
front of parents that theyrealize this is an opportunity.
And then you talk about the bigone, of course, in schools and
educational platforms in person.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, the last point I'll make about the negative
health effects because I don'twant to focus this too much on
the Duma aspect of it.
But the pediatric outpatientclinic in my local area, all
their books are closed, all ofthe public.
Pediatricians aren't seeingpatients for more than a year
and I think that a critical partof this is this melatonin
(20:03):
suppression by blue light atnight.
Because what is happening, asTristan alluded to, is that the
child looks at the iPad.
It's saturated with this highenergy visible light, this
massive blue peak.
It activates all the melanopsinin that child's retina and it
essentially turns off theirsleep hormone.
(20:23):
It turns off their body'sability to enter deep and
restful sleep.
So they have behavioral issuesbecause they're poorly rested,
they're full spectrum sunlightdeficient during night, they're
sleep deficient and melatonindeficient during nighttime.
They go to the pediatricianbecause they are having defiant
(20:45):
behaviors and all kinds of otherdevelopmental and behavioral
issues and then they get put onsupplemental melatonin as well
as probably fluoxetine andsometimes even risperidone, so
antidepressant, antipsychoticmedications, and it's a cycle.
(21:05):
It's a vicious cycle where theybecome and then later on
perhaps they also get put ondexamphetamine, um,
methylphenidate for forstimulant effect.
So they almost get interceptedinto a cycle of pharmaceutical
treatment for neurodevelopmentalissues and behavioral issues
(21:27):
which have their genesis in aexcess of blue light at night, a
disrupted circadian rhythm, alack of full-spectrum sunlight.
The critical problem here istheir light exposures, their
device use.
I empathize in many ways withparents because they're so
exasperated that the only thingthey can do is give them this
(21:47):
device.
But it's like a Faustian pact.
It's a short-term relief, butreally they're, they're, they're
harming their child um in inthe long term um yeah what?
what?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
this is sorry, go on yeah, I was just gonna say it's,
it's, it's very relatable andit's not.
You know it's, it's, it's theenvironmental conditions, right,
and it's like we went indoorsand the schooling and the light
environment there is horrible.
Or daycare, wherever these kidsare at, they're not, for
they're first off, not spendingenough time outdoors, like went
indoors and the schooling andthe light environment there is
horrible.
Or daycare, wherever these kidsare at, they're not, for
they're first off, not spendingenough time outdoors.
(22:19):
Like, forget about the devicescompletely.
Um, this was already happening,um, from the turn of of the the
21st century, and has beenexacerbated by technology.
But let alone, they're sittingunder fluorescent lights all day
in a desk.
Not enough playtime, theparents are busy, they don't
have enough time to get themoutdoors, and then you give them
(22:42):
the device.
It's like the cherry on topthat is just pushing them so
over the threshold.
And now the problem is, whenthey even do have the free time,
they don't even want to beoutside anymore because it's so
much less attractive, becausetheir dopamine has been so
captured by these devices andthat reality and they're
desensitized.
So now everything else is notas exciting and that's to me the
(23:04):
biggest tragedy, right, and Ithink that's why you've seen so
many parents clap back andthey're just like no devices at
all until they're like six oreight, or I mean even 12 or 13,
and I support that fully like,if you are of that mindset,
we're not here to sell you likedaylights when you're not ready
(23:25):
for it.
The whole premise is, eventuallyand inevitably, it is very
important for childhooddevelopment to be in this
technological, digital world,but to access it responsibly and
still be able to have theoutdoors.
The natural world is the mainshow for kids, even if they're
teenagers.
(23:45):
They should be just like ridingaround town on bikes and just
walking around, you know, like10, 11 year olds, and in some
places in the U S you never seethat anymore.
It's like foreign.
So it's it's amazing to seethat out here, and that's why I
just want to it or teachers,because that is necessary at a
(24:07):
certain point.
However, if you don't do theother things, if you don't get
them outside, if you don't havea better light environment, and
sometimes you can't control itif you're in public or private
(24:27):
school, so really put emphasison on the weekends or after
school time, like like it's.
It's part of the entire equationthat needs to shift and I am
excited because, being in thisnow education world, I would say
for the first time maybe sinceeducation started in terms of
this factory, almostfactory-based education model in
(24:48):
the 20th century and you candebate the origins of that but
really we're seeing a shift ineducation for the first time, I
think, in a very, very long time, because of COVID, because of
homeschooling is skyrocketing inpopularity and because of this
access to information and nowyou know you can use AI tools
(25:09):
and things for teaching andtutoring and some people are
like that's not great, somepeople are concerned, but it's
with everything here.
Technology, if you use itresponsibly, it's extremely,
extremely valuable todevelopment, to education, to
learning, and we now have thisnewfound freedom.
So I think it's really excitingand we're just on the precipice
(25:32):
of it, but, like education isactually reforming for the first
time, you know, in this modernworld since it started to be
kind of the standard approachfrom maybe a hundred years ago.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, I'm so glad you raised that, because, let's, I
want to riff on this.
I want to add some color to thepicture you've just painted.
I mean, the modern educationsystem essentially evolved to
provide compliant worker dronesfor an industrial revolution.
You cram all the kids into aroom in lines of desks, they all
have to face the front and theyhave something like eight hours
(26:07):
historically copying lines offthe blackboard.
With these tools that we nowhave, I think the future is so
bright for people who are awareof these issues, because what
I've envisioned is outdoorlearning.
I think the Germans had a coupleof forest school concepts.
(26:27):
Maybe it was Rudolf Steiner.
Everyone has their bare feet onthe ground, everyone is
surrounded by greenery, sothey're getting massive amounts
of near-infrared light, which weknow from Zimmerman and Ryder's
work, is essentially beingconcentrated into the deep
regions of the brain by thecerebrospinal fluid.
They are using AI tools totailor a really appropriate and
(26:56):
advanced curriculum at the speedof that student.
Suddenly, you are completelyflipping the book on modern
education.
They're not under thisartificial light, they're not
sitting under a Wi-Fi router andthey're probably not even
spending that many hours a daylearning.
They don't need to be there foreight hours.
You could do the learning in anhour and a half, two hours and
then rest of the time.
(27:16):
You know, be a human.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Just going out and play.
Yeah, play-based childhoodright, it's crazy and that's
where I want to put thatemphasis on Like it's so insane.
I think that threshold to me islike they're getting
Chromebooks at six to eightyears old, when I think, even
until they're like pureteenagers the majority of their
time and that's yeah.
Again, what the professionalsrecommend and this isn't fringe
(27:41):
is like is play based childhoodis outdoors, and then, yeah, you
do progressively more and morelearning over time.
But them being out here, um,I'm like I don't even know what
all these trees are or all thefish that you know we're
catching here, the differentvariations, and it's like that's
education.
It's like what happened tobeing masters of our local
(28:03):
environment and understandingthe impact there.
There's a world of education tobe had in the physical realm and
I think delaying the digitaland being very strategic and
targeted with it is really thekey.
But, yeah, it's exciting.
I mean, I'm very excited aboutit and I think a lot of people
are waking up to it and to me,that's why we're focused on it
(28:26):
at Daylight, because this iswhere we can have the largest
impact, right, like it'sbeneficial from our business, of
course, because we can be themost successful, but the reason
we can be the most successful isbecause it's authentic, we're
the most passionate about it andwe can have the largest impact.
Talk about the next generation,setting them up for success
instead of failure.
I mean that to me, is like thatshould be the number one issue
(28:50):
in society to figure out,because if we don't do that,
then the future of the humanrace is pretty bleak.
Right Like, our children areeverything and we need to start
acting like responsible adultswhen it comes to how we're
raising and educating ourchildren.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, absolutely.
Let's pivot to what you'redoing and how you're enabling to
speak to me right now, becausefor the listener you know, I
you're in the backwoods ofwyoming and there's no lag on
this conversation that we'redoing.
So we're talking at 720pquality and I'm hearing you
perfectly well, I'm seeing youperfectly well.
(29:28):
So how is this even possiblewith, with this current setup
that you've got?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, yeah, the one thing well, it depends on your
opinion of him that Elon hasdone well is Starlink.
So there is thousands of lowEarth orbit LEO satellites,
which again has a debatableeffect on our galactic presence.
But it allows me to haveperfect internet out here, as
(29:55):
long as you have a line of sightthrough trees.
So it's actually funny.
I have, like, the tailgate ofmy car open to make sure I can
get a straight shot through thetrees here.
Um, but once you have line ofsight, you can get, you know,
perfect internet and the benefit.
Even because I was, you know, Iwas concerned at first.
I was like we're gettingirradiated without consent when
(30:18):
you go into nature.
You should just be off offline.
That's the whole point.
But of course is now I'm, likeyou know, extremely busy running
a startup, 12-hour work daysconstantly.
I'm like, okay, if I'm gonna bestaring at a screen all day
long and on meetings and justworking in this digital world, I
need to be immersed in thenatural world simultaneously.
(30:41):
That's the only way this isgoing to work and that's kind of
what this enables.
So it's fantastic and I'll getinto the EMF piece a bit.
But I have a thousand watt hour, one kilowatt hour battery pack
and 200 watts of solar.
So I've been out here over aweek straight now and I have not
(31:03):
needed to put on any gasgenerator, I've not needed to
turn on my car even, and mybattery packs are like 70% just
using renewable energy from thesun, which Wyoming is very sunny
.
Um, it's nice that this worksout and that's powering the
Starlink mini, it's rechargingmy devices and, yeah, it's
fantastic.
And you can hardwire.
(31:24):
So, um, you can hardwire theinternet right from the Starlink
so that you're getting justethernet.
So that's what I do and you can.
You can disable the wi-fiantennas on on the starlink mini
as well.
You have to be careful becausethat does require a factory
reset.
So once you do it, you're likelocked into no wi-fi.
(31:46):
But even when I measure Ibrought my emf meters out here
and I'm not sure exactly, but itseems like the Wi-Fi antenna on
the Starlink is not as strongas like a normal router.
So the EMF reading when I cameout well, first off, when I came
out here, I took my RF EMFmeter.
The baseline is zero.
(32:07):
It's like maybe it peaks tolike 0.01 microwatts per meter,
squared every like 20 seconds.
But that's what I want peopleto understand.
The 200 megahertz to eightgigahertz range that I measure
on the safe and sound pro twometer, it's zero out here.
That's the natural baseline.
(32:29):
And then I turned on theStarlink mini and again I'm not
I'm not actually that far awayfrom like 15 feet away from it.
And even when I turned it onand I have it on with the Wi Fi
like still enabled, it's like 30to 50 microwatts per meter
squared, which is really reallylow.
It's still in that green zoneof the safe and sound pro two.
(32:50):
So I'm thinking the Wi Fiantenna is like pretty like weak
in comparison because mostpeople are going to use it in
very close proximity.
It's not for like hey, if youhave a starlink mini, it's
probably going to be like inyour campground, in your
sprinter van or potentially likejust right next to you.
So they're not, they're notoptimizing for range.
Uh, so I've noticed that the RFoutput, even if you're just with
(33:14):
Wi-Fi, is very low.
Actually, 30 to 50 microwattsper meter squared is the
baseline of my house in Wyoming.
When I have nothing on, whenI'm airplane mode, everything,
no Wi-Fi just from the residualRF from cellular communications
and this is in a very small town.
If you're in the city, yourbaseline is probably going to be
(33:35):
5x that, even 10x that, even ifyou have everything off.
So there's again levels to allof this.
And what you can do is, if youdon't want to factory reset and
disable the Wi Fi, you can kindof do what I've been doing is
just Ethernet to your device.
So then your device isn'temitting anything, because it's
actually the devices that aremore important than the router
(33:58):
itself, right?
So if you Ethernet and actuallyare sitting in front of a
MacBook or a daylight or yourphone all day and that's on
airplane mode and just gettingEthernet internet, then you're I
mean you're you're loweringyour, your RF so much and you
can get like DC again,everything's DC, the battery's
DC, the solar's DC and you canpower all your electronics, the
(34:23):
Starlink, all DC.
The reason why we plug into ourAC power grid is just because
that's the electricity source.
So it's nice having a full DCsetup because, because you don't
get the emfs from the switchingpower supplies and the
rectification of going from acto dc, now there's not, there's
still a dc magnetic fieldexposure.
(34:43):
So you still want to like putdistance between you and and
devices, but it's really great.
So you're pretty much reducingall of the noise while you're
simultaneously augmenting thesignal, the real input signals
from nature, the earth's naturalmagnetic field, the I mean the
beneficial aromatic compounds,the negative ions in the air,
(35:07):
the negative ions from theground and the solar spectrum is
.
I mean, it's full blast outhere and I'm not sitting out
here getting fried in, you know,high UV summer at I'm not 9 000
feet of elevation, almost 3 000meters as well, but there's so
much um, you know, shade here aswell, and trees, and then again
(35:27):
, as you already mentioned, thenear infrared exposure is is
through the roof because of allthe greenery and it's just like
wow, I'm sitting out here.
I had a buddy visit me too.
He's like.
He's like this, is it man?
This is like.
He's like you figured it out,because I think everyone's
yearning right Like that workenvironment is.
(35:48):
So it's such a drag, but if wecan somehow figure out how to
become synergistic with ournatural world and still be in
the digital medium, that to meis the biggest unlock.
So I know people in sprintervans kind of do this, but I
wouldn't be surprised if thisbecomes like extremely Sprinter
(36:09):
vans kind of do this.
But I wouldn't be surprised ifthis becomes like extremely,
extremely popular in the comingyears and I'm certainly my goal
is to spend 75% of days andnights up until mid-October
doing this and I need to kind ofget a few more things.
But we're talking about areasonably affordable setup.
I mean, people spend five grandon a rooftop tent, they spend a
hundred grand on a sprinter vanand all this overlanding stuff
(36:32):
and for a couple of grand youcan get a Starlink Mini, a
battery pack and, you know, campchairs, solar tables.
It's really affordable in myopinion.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Maybe, if you have time, you could write a quick
sub stack with your setup.
I'm sure people would love tosee the breakdown of the
products so they can get intothat.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
It's a Jackery, like one kilowatt hour combo with the
200 watts of solar.
You can literally buy it onAmazon for I think it was like
$650 US and the rest, yeah,starlink Mini.
So that's.
It's pretty simple.
It's pretty simple.
The rest is like my hodgepodgeof camping equipment that needs
to be upgraded.
And yeah, I got a bow and arrowout here practicing for hunting
(37:19):
season.
I got a kettlebell and mace andchopping firewood.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
It just feels so right that this is how we'd
spend our off moments, right, soit's great the the some of my
followers who've aware of youand have followed you from the
beginning maybe your initialpodcasts and your talk at
regenerate would know that yourentry point into this health
space was a post-concussivesyndrome and essentially having
(37:46):
to heal yourself of aneurological injury.
How are you?
Do you get any symptoms?
I'm guessing that they'repretty minimal when you're
outside in this environment.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, I feel incredible.
I've also been doing some moreintense trail running, hiking,
training for a big summit.
I got coming up here in acouple of highest point in
wyoming.
It's like 70 kilometers and 9000 feet of elevation game in
one day.
But I, the first day I got uphere, you know, I did like a 16
mile trail run and youdefinitely feel the elevation.
(38:21):
But even with that I I stillfelt like my nervous system just
so relaxed, like just able totake a deep breath and since
then, as I'm fully acclimatizedto the elevation, sleeping out
here, the temperature as wellit's, it's cooler, so it's like
35, 40 c in my town and I justwas like not having that anymore
(38:42):
.
I was like I need to cool offand go to the mountains and
that's kind of what you know.
That's.
That's the traditional, um,kind of cyclicality of how it
would go, like you can't come uphere and in January it's
actually you can't even drive uphere.
The roads are closed and it'sfull on winter, but in the
summer this is where life ismost abundant, um, and in the
(39:03):
plains it actually becomes lessabundant.
So it's like as humans we wouldfollow the sprawling life that
exists and I feel so much better.
I sleep really well.
I mean, again, the nervoussystem just feels so relaxed.
And to me that's what it's allabout, because I am quote
unquote sensitive and I thinkeveryone who dials in their
(39:25):
health inherently becomes moresensitive.
I've made this argumentrecently that I think this is
kind of a sometimes a negativeconnotation in the health space,
like, oh, you become sensitiveand maybe less resilient.
It's like no, no, no.
Sensitivity is the essence ofbeing alive as a human and we
have become so desensitized toour environment then we no
(39:48):
longer have this like magicalintuition, we no longer have
this appreciation for what isreal and the devices, the
technology, these artificialenvironments have desensitized
us.
So when you can remove yourselffrom that and put yourself back
into what really matters, youfeel so much better.
Your nervous system relaxes.
(40:08):
You don't feel that pull Like,yeah, I have my iPhone here, I
have access to social media.
I'd rather go walk around thelake that's a hundred feet away
or like catch some fish or gofor a run, and there aren't like
the ultra bright, saturatedcolors here.
There's like the realisticcolor palette, but there's a
landscape that's so captivatingthat this is what really we're
(40:32):
meant to take in as, like, thedopaminergic signals.
And that's where you reallyneed to reset your baseline in
order to feel that.
And I think it's incredible andwhen you can really tap into it
it almost becomes a superpowerto have that sensitivity and
intuition come back into yourlife.
And I think that is really whattechnology has eroded, along
(40:55):
with this complete eliminationof moments, free moments of
thought, like we don't have anyfree moments anymore to just
think and look back and reflectand be like, okay, whatever I'm
working on, whether it'spersonal growth, whether it's
(41:15):
business growth, whether it'sjust education, like so many
brilliant ideas come from and somany philosophers, so many
great leaders they didn't spendall their day just like working.
They spent so much of their timecontemplating, reflecting and
thinking.
And now it's extremelychallenging to do that.
And I find being in a verynatural setting, like I wake up
(41:37):
at 7am and sometimes I don'tstart, I don't turn Starlink on
until 9am, or I wake up at6.30am and I don't start working
until 8.39am, because I spendthe first hour and a half like
walking around, being in nature,gathering firewood, shooting my
bow, making breakfast, and thatallows me to really reflect on
what I'm going to do for the day, the past few days of work,
(41:59):
personal growth and then justthe appreciation for what
matters, and I find my nervoussystem and my overall health is
so much better off because ofthat.
So yeah, I don't really haveany negative effects, other than
when I go run up to 12,000 feetor 13,000 feet.
Of course I get hypoxic and abit worn from that, but that's,
(42:23):
I think, quite normal.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
So yeah, yeah, so hormetic, beneficial stress.
But the point aboutcontemplation anyone who's done
even a little bit of meditationhas noticed that thought springs
from the stillness when you'redoing nothing, when your mind is
clear.
You can have some of your bestideas in that stillness and,
(42:46):
just like you, hiking in nature,usually by myself, with no one
else, is when I've gotten themost clarity and the most
breakthrough when it comes toeverything that you've talked
about, all those littledifferent domains of life.
About a month ago we did ourcircadian living retreat and we
were teaching people a lot ofwhat you right now Living
(43:10):
Retreat, and we were teachingpeople a lot of what you right
now, tristan, are doing justnaturally in this setup that
you've got in the middle of thebackwards there, and not
everyone.
I guess the message here is noteveryone potentially can go the
whole hog at this point, but ifyou can work towards a setup, a
lifestyle, a routine thatincludes just more of these
(43:32):
components, then you are goingto be doing so much better for
your health, for your cognitivefunction, for your inner peace,
uh, than simply being, you know,trapped inside and it's uh,
it's, it's like.
It's like reteaching people howto be a savage human and a wild
human, and when I say that topeople they kind of look at me a
(43:52):
bit funny.
But that is the process of alot of what this health story is
, this mitochondrial story.
It's how do you give yourmitochondrial colony what they
want?
Well, you have to be a savagehuman again, you have to be in
touch with the light-dark cycles, you have to have your bare
feet on the earth, you have tojump in the cold water in the
morning and eat some of thatlocally harvested game during
(44:18):
the day.
It's a remembering, and I thinkthat's one of the catch lines
of Dr Paul Sardino.
I know who you spoke torecently is is the?
Is the remembering?
So and yeah, any, any, uh,maybe talk a little bit about,
um, yeah, your, your, yourthoughts about that and how this
(44:40):
message is potentially gettingout.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I , I totally understand that.
I mean people probably look atme and they think, like a lot of
this is completely unrealistic.
And you know, I've been workingtowards this for years and
years and I'm very thankful Ihave a remote job and, to be
honest, this is like on brandfor daylight, right.
So it's very, very fortunate.
But what I want to alwayspreface is that you can be a
(45:04):
weekend warrior and get a vastmajority of these benefits Even
if you're working nine to fivein office, I mean, even if your
kids are in school as well.
It's the same thing, right, anda lot of these studies, like
the CU Boulder study about acircadian reset from just one
weekend camping.
I read another study yesterdayor Friday that said the same
thing about natural killer cellsin your immune system can
(45:27):
increase 50% by forest bathing.
This is a Japanese study.
I've been going down this.
Like you know, air ionizationbenefits of being in the forest,
rabbit holes, and it goesbeyond just red light and
grounding, like it's somulti-dimensional and we don't
even really understand.
But most of the data suggeststhat two to three days out in
the wilderness really carriesthrough for kind of, the rest of
(45:50):
the week if you want to say so,if you're constantly like
prioritizing your weekends to beimmersed in nature and then
during the week doing the bestthat you can, that is huge.
I mean that's like a stepfunction increase in being
exposed.
And yeah, it's also funny I wastalking with my friend here.
It's.
It is crazy because not verylong ago we were just living
(46:13):
pretty much outside I mean theWest and the U?
S is a prime example where,like uh, it was, it was crazy.
I mean people were up here justhunting for trading, um.
But we have this luxury now towhere it's it's much safer
actually to be out in thewilderness or you can have that
kind of relaxed nervous systembecause I don't really have a
super high fear of, you know,running into another human that
(46:35):
could potentially kill me,because that's what used to
happen like 150 years ago.
Or I am aware of, like thewilderness and the wildlife that
could potentially harm me.
And, worst case, I do haveinternet, I do have like a
satellite in reach and I amclose enough to population
centers to where I know it'll beall right and I'm not going to
run out of food because I canstock up and then come out here,
(46:58):
supplement with with locallycaught trout, or or or or or
game, and I think that's, that'smassive, because that's like
it's really for the first time,um, we're, we're able to do that
, um, so, yeah, I, I wouldimplore everyone to just try and
spend as much time as aspossible out outdoors, and
(47:21):
especially in the months, where,um, it's, it's really nice and
and we just get back into thatcyclicality of life and that is
the remembering and the humanspirit and kind of generational
knowledge is really that's whatit's here, it's not in these
artificial environments, and wereally lose what it is to be
(47:44):
human when we're just so caughtup in, we're so up in the
day-to-day and then we're socaught up in these artificial
environments.
So it's, yeah, it is aremembering, but it's, uh, it's
also just fun to, I think, letloose a bit and really tap into
to what is real yeah, amen tothat and maybe we'll wrap up.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
I think this has been a great exposition and
justification of why peopleshould be more intentional about
their light exposures, theirinteractions, the indoor
environment, the outdoorenvironments.
So where, where can peoplelearn about, I mean, the more
about the day?
You go to the daylight website?
I've actually got a link.
You can go to my link tree.
You can buy yourself a daylighton on my uh, on my uh link tree
(48:30):
.
Well, how else can people kindof find out more about this?
Speaker 2 (48:34):
yeah, so we're gonna launch kidsdaylightcomputercom.
So that's gonna be a whole newwebsite, a kids bundle, like
education and also anecdotalkind of experiences for parents,
um, with a kid's case, and youknow different stylists.
So that's coming in the nextweek, so, depending on when this
comes out, but end of Augustand there'll be a lot more
(48:57):
coming on that front and socials.
But, yeah, dailycomputercom isthe main website and you can go
there.
We have inventory shipped in acouple of days and then, yeah,
I'm on socials trying toinventory shifts in a couple
days and then, yeah, I'm onsocials trying to.
I have this really aversion totrying to regularly be back
posting on social media becauseit does suck you in so much, but
(49:17):
I'm trying to educate more onthe benefits of outdoors and
once the kids stuff launches,definitely going to be posting
more about that aspect as well.
Um, so, yeah, twitter atBitcoin underscore beef still
and Tristan underscore health onInstagram and at Daylight Co on
social.
So, yeah, that's a priority andI'm really excited.
(49:40):
So appreciate the catch up chatMax.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Cool, awesome, well, everyone's got that info.
So, yeah, check it out andhopefully we can start changing
things, changing the wayhumanity and the next generation
interacts with light andhopefully push that into a
positive way.
So thanks, tristan, and enjoythe backwoods of Wyoming.
Thanks, man Will do.
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