November 6, 2025 • 25 mins
Fire fades. Momentum stays if you know how to rebuild it. In this episode, Dr. Christiana Schroeder shares a clear system for turning goals into action. Her STEP method—Simplify, Tell, Examine, Praise—helps you speak goals into existence, track small wins, and understand where real resilience comes from on both strong and weak days.
We talk about voice as more than tone. It’s your message, your work, and your purpose. Christiana walks through her journey from the runway to the TEDx stage. She talks about preparation, nerves, and what happens after the spotlight fades. Planning the “after” matters as much as the moment itself. Scheduling the next step keeps momentum and prevents the post-goal crash.
The conversation moves through vulnerability, leadership, and growth. Admitting what you don’t know builds trust faster than trying to look perfect. It’s how founders and students learn faster and lead better.
We cover the tools behind Step Into Your Voice, her coaching program built to turn reflection into results. You’ll also learn about a free superpower assessment that connects your strengths to your goals.
You will leave with steps to apply now:
• Simplify your goals
• Speak them out loud
• Examine progress with honesty
• Praise small wins
If you want to regain focus and keep moving forward, listen in. Follow the show, share it with someone who needs direction, and leave a review to share your next step.
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Pamela Cass is a licensed broker with Kentwood Real Estate
Natalie Davis is a licensed broker with Keller Williams Realty Downtown, LLC
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SPEAKER_00 (00:06):
All of us reach a point in time where we are
depleted and need to somehowfind a way to reignite the fire
within.
But how do we spark that flame?
Welcome to Reignite Resilience,where we will venture into the
heart of the human spirit.
We'll discuss the art ofreigniting our passion and
(00:28):
strategies to stoke ourenthusiasm.
And now here are your hosts,Natalie Davis and Pamela Kat.
SPEAKER_03 (00:41):
Tell us a little bit more about Step Into Your Voice.
I love the title of that.
SPEAKER_01 (00:46):
I think the number one problem really is
confidence.
And when I'm referencing thevoice, it has like two meanings
to it, right?
One is like you could say, allright, so it's like how I speak.
What about how you read?
And then of course, you couldeven think, well, voice, that's
also vocation, like my calling.
(01:08):
So it's not just how I speak andwrite, it's also what I do.
There's so many things that tiein with your voice that in a
certain way, once you reallystep into it, you're learning
how to speak up more, how toactually express what you really
want, which a lot of peopledon't do enough of.
And once you do that, magic willhappen.
(01:28):
You've referenced magic a coupleof times.
SPEAKER_02 (01:31):
Does that come into your body of work?
SPEAKER_01 (01:33):
Yeah, so I do a lot of research about manifesting
and really speaking things outloud.
And in my TED talk, I talk aboutthat.
The German or Europeanefficiency really comes in with
my step system, which is the Sfor simplifying things.
(01:53):
Frequently we overcomplicateproblems.
So start by simplifying.
The T for telling somebody, andthat's what I just mentioned.
The magic happens when youexpress what you really want,
even like saying it to yourselfout loud, it really brings your
goal into your conscious.
It's not just something thatlives in your brain and nobody
knows it, but it's actuallybecoming reality and it's
(02:16):
bringing it into the presentmoment.
Like sometimes my husband says,I can't read your mind.
And I'm like, You can't?
You didn't know what I want forour wedding anniversary.
Yes.
I have to actually tell you.
First the simplify, then thetell.
And then thirdly, you have toexamine it and think a little
(02:37):
bit what worked, what felt good,what you will do then in the
future.
And then thirdly, the P standsfor praising progress.
So what is it that you reallywant to celebrate?
All these small moments and whatyou want to acknowledge in terms
of the high five, the wins thatyou've got.
So simplify, tell, examine, andpraise progress.
(02:57):
That's where I feel the magic'sgoing to happen in that system
that is over and overrepeatable, but at the same
time, where you're reallyfeeling it's a flywheel and
creates momentum in your life.
And that's also the system I'musing in the step into your
voice.
It's the STEP.
SPEAKER_02 (03:17):
And you're like, oh, yeah, there's a whole system
behind all this.
Exactly.
The whole model is going to makeits way over into the new book
as well, stepping into yourvoice.
Exactly.
Yeah.
It's the beautiful expansion ofmy TEDx talk.
Love that.
And you also do research in thespace of resiliency and hence
this podcast and what attractedyou to us in this podcast.
(03:40):
And we know that adversities cancome in many shapes and forms.
Do you focus on resiliency inprofession, personal lives,
business?
Where has your research reallyconcentrated in the past?
SPEAKER_01 (03:53):
So I actually was very intrigued about the concept
for a long time until I finallyended up giving it a name.
Part of it was really that Iteach innovation
entrepreneurship.
And I think to be become areally good entrepreneur, that
you need to understand the ondays are just about the same as
like the off days.
(04:13):
You're feeling business is notworking and everybody's doing
what I do, what's the point?
Then you really need thatresilience, that grit to keep
going, to keep past the off daysand get back onto the on days
because guess what?
They're going to come back.
But you just need to think aboutthe fact that it's like a
pendulum and you just need topush through it.
(04:34):
So even before I gave that anofficial name, I observed that
tendency that some people giveup quicker than others, others
push through.
What really makes them pushthrough?
And that's also how I steppedinto that superpower research
that I then used in mysuperpower book.
(04:55):
Because I would like that youfind that passion to push
through the off days, to getback into the on days, and you
find the passion to really getyour business off the ground,
even though sometimes you feel,I have no idea where this is
going.
But that is really how I gotinto this.
Because I'm so firm of abeliever that resilience is
(05:16):
really at the end of the day,what is the difference between a
great entrepreneur and amazingentrepreneur?
If you look at those people,they struggle just as much as
you do, but they just keptgoing.
SPEAKER_03 (05:28):
Yeah.
They didn't let it stop them.
SPEAKER_02 (05:30):
Yeah.
In the space of innovativeentrepreneurship as well, kudos
to your students and working inthe space because you're not
just simply building onsomething or creating something
that already exists.
I imagine that you're pressingthem to expand and, like you
said, answer that call, answerthat need that we don't have the
product or service thatsatisfies it yet.
Where do you see that resiliencycoming in with these?
(05:52):
Are they artificial companies ordo the students actually launch
the companies?
SPEAKER_01 (05:56):
Yeah, they launch companies.
And then when they graduate, Isometimes keep working with them
or have other clients that comein and they reach out to me.
They didn't even go to mycollege classes, they just reach
out to me and they need businessconsulting.
I think that sometimes whathappens is, and it goes back to
that simplify, tell, examine,and praise progress, that we
(06:17):
have a little bit of a fear insharing what we do because we
feel that either way otherpeople are going to laugh about
us, or maybe it makes us lookinferior, or it makes us look
vulnerable, and we don't want toshow up like looking somebody
that doesn't really know.
But I always appreciate a goodentrepreneur that just says, I
(06:39):
don't really know this.
Can you explain this to me?
Sassa, just say, show me howdoes this really work?
I don't really know this verymuch because that is just so
much better than just pretendingand showing up as somebody that
really actually doesn't know.
Because we are all learners deepdown, but just asking the right
question and showing whenthere's an area where you might
(07:00):
not have the expertise, that'samazing.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02 (07:05):
Level of vulnerability that comes with
that as well.
I want to do this, I'm raisingmy hand.
I am committed to doing this,but I also have no idea what the
heck is going on.
That's a big piece.
So you're wearing many hats.
I want to know for youpersonally, what is the thing
that excites you the most?
Is it being an author, being aprofessor, being a mom, being a
(07:26):
wife?
What is the thing that reallygets you going?
What is your superpower?
SPEAKER_01 (07:31):
I feel when I stepped on the TEDx stage, and
my daughters were in theaudience, my husband was there,
one of my best friends satthere, and all the preparation
that went into that moment andthe message I was sharing, I
felt it was all aligned.
The message, the people, themeaning behind all that.
(07:54):
I just felt like home.
It was like, yeah, this is whatI love doing.
It was a really good moment.
And when you watch the video,you can see that I'm super happy
when I'm talking and the waythat I'm presenting it.
I show that confidence that Ialigned my superpower with
myself.
So I really like that a lot.
I really do believe that themessage of the TEDx Talk moved
(08:17):
people's lives.
And to honestly tell you,Natalie, I presented it at home.
And sometimes people startedcrying.
I mean, I'm getting allemotional when I talk about
this, because the messageresonated with their own
superpower that they didn't evenknow they had.
So this is really cool.
I sometimes shared the message,and then people are like, oh my
(08:37):
gosh, it totally reminds me ofthat moment.
And then they shared that withme.
And that was really cool.
And I think that's really whyyou give it hit X talk is to
share something with the worldthat will make your corner of
the world just a little bit of abetter place, as I mentioned it
earlier.
And I have a cool acronym, it'syour first attempt in learning.
unknown (08:59):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (08:59):
Love it.
SPEAKER_01 (09:00):
Your resilience, right?
We're not failing.
It's the first attempt inlearning.
Your first.
Yes.
Like sometimes think about whenyou're sharing something with
others in how it makes themfeel.
And that's that's alsoimportant.
And just by sharing it, you'realready opening up your heart a
(09:20):
little bit more and keeping theconversation flowing.
SPEAKER_03 (09:23):
I loved watching your video when you found out
that you got selected to do theTEDx.
You could tell how passionatelyexcited you were about that
happening.
SPEAKER_01 (09:35):
Well, and then, and this is also a good follow-up to
this, and then when you have theTEDx recording, nobody in the
audience can take pictures, ofcourse, or can record this.
So you walk on the stage,Pamela, and at first you don't
actually even know how this alllooked like.
You just kind of show up andyou're like, I think it was
(09:57):
good.
But in the age of using cellphones for everything and at all
times, it's a little bit odd.
And so I walked up the stage andI was like, it was good, yeah,
it was good.
We were like, I don't know, itwas really amazing.
And I was like, oh and then theTEDx talk came out on YouTube.
And my friend that was also inthe audience on that day, she
(10:18):
actually lives in Alaska.
She came just for that talk.
And she said, This is what we'regonna do.
We're going to both watch it onYouTube now, but we're going to
listen to each other on thephone.
Honestly, I started cryingagain.
And so I recorded the secondvideo when I'm like watching
myself.
And I'm like, oh my gosh.
I'm like watching it.
And she said, Yeah, no, no, youwere so good.
(10:40):
And I was like, I didn't evenknow.
My gosh, this was actually likereally how other people saw me
on stage.
So that was the second moment ofcry.
This was actually really mydream.
It was always my dream to give aTEDx talk.
And then I was like, Oh yeah,this actually worked out really
good.
So that was cool how we bothwatched it, listening to each
(11:00):
other on the phone.
And you could think, how did shecelebrate?
Those were like the moments howI celebrated, watching it with
friends together at the sametime.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (11:10):
Hearing your reaction, hearing her reaction.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (11:13):
Exactly.
And now some of my students inthe class even asked me, so how
do you do that?
How do you give a talk?
And I'm like, I'm going to writea book about it.
SPEAKER_02 (11:21):
I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (11:22):
And you can do it.
SPEAKER_02 (11:23):
Exactly.
And I don't want to hear abouthow you give a talk, but I am
curious as to your process, thein-between, right?
We have the video that capturesyou finding out.
We have the talk itself and yourreaction after watching it.
But we know in between, like thepreparation that goes into that,
andor procrastination or not.
Maybe there was just a ton ofgrit and no procrastination.
SPEAKER_01 (11:45):
What did that look like for you?
Beautiful, Natalie.
There's another book that I'mwriting that's called The Runway
to the Red Dot.
SPEAKER_03 (11:53):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (11:54):
Because I feel that TED X talk is kind of, I mean, I
used the word magic before.
It's definitely magic and lifetransforming, but at the same
time, it's also a little bitmysterious.
Maybe magic is mysterious.
But I feel a lot of people wantto do it, but they don't really
know how and what it takes.
Because I am a creator, acontent creator, I created a lot
(12:16):
of really cool secrets of how Iprepared for that.
And I will share them in thatbook, of course.
So I'm basically going to lineup my whole timeline from the
moment that I applied with myvery first application to
getting the YouTube viewers past5,500 views in just a few weeks.
(12:37):
It's the runway to the red dot,but then you'd have to actually
keep going past the red dot.
Yes.
So I will share it there.
So there's a lot that goes intoit.
And for sure, I love that youask about resilience.
It is really a hard journey.
And I wish now, Natalie, that Iwould have filmed some of the
moments when I was crying.
(12:58):
And that was not tears of joy.
That was just tears ofdesperation because it is so
hard.
Like when I sometimes sat thereand I was like, I can't memorize
it.
You have to memorize the wholetalk.
Or like when I was like, oh mygosh, I ordered this extra
outfit on eBay and I didn't gethere.
I was wearing all white onstage.
(13:18):
And I thought I'm probably goingto be that person that spells
coffee and then I didn't gethere.
And I got all stressed out,which hindsight is like totally
ridiculous.
You're watching this, you'relike, no, but she looks perfect
on stage.
It could have been that somebodyspilled something on me, right?
There's all these small littlethings.
Well, in any case, so yeah, I'mdefinitely now glad that I
(13:39):
documented everything on camera,but some of the resilience,
that's why I'm writing the book,because of the resilience.
It's such an important elementin this.
And when will that book comeout?
So that's a really goodquestion.
I was thinking probably inFebruary, because that's when
they when I started activelyapplying.
So it'll be a year after that.
SPEAKER_03 (13:58):
Okay.
To be continued.
SPEAKER_01 (14:01):
To be continued, because as I say, I feel it's my
obligation to write it.
SPEAKER_03 (14:05):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (14:06):
Somebody's got to write all this down.
SPEAKER_03 (14:08):
Yeah, absolutely.
I love that.
A roadmap of somebody that'salready gone through it
successfully.
That will change people's livesand maybe give them the courage
to actually take a chance and doit.
SPEAKER_01 (14:19):
That's exactly it.
I want to be the light thatkeeps you going.
That's beautiful.
Like in the moment of darkness,they're like, oh, I don't know
what to do.
I hope you've kind of picked upthe book and read it.
SPEAKER_02 (14:30):
You'll have a tool that will help you.
I love this.
So three books for sure that weknow are on the horizon.
Yeah.
What else is um in store foryou?
What else do we have to expect?
SPEAKER_01 (14:41):
Yeah, so right now, what I'm really lining up with
is using the tools as workbookswith coaching.
Okay.
Because while I appreciatereading a good book and my books
are super interactive, they evenhave word searches in there and
little areas where you can dolike doodles and puzzles, and
there's podcast episodes thatyou can listen to that you can
(15:03):
scan and listen to in the books.
I also think though that I wouldlike to connect with people in
person.
So I'm really getting intolaunching the books along with
launching coaching offers.
SPEAKER_02 (15:15):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (15:16):
And of course, very fittingly, then the coaching is
going to be called Step IntoYour Voice.
So really the book and what'scalled the STEP program will go
hand in hand.
So you could use the book andthe coach, and at the end, maybe
even have that TEDx talk linedup as your final outcome or
whatever you want to step into.
I would help you with that.
SPEAKER_03 (15:37):
That's incredible.
SPEAKER_02 (15:38):
I think that's super powerful.
SPEAKER_03 (15:39):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (15:40):
It's something that doesn't exist, and I think that
it would be well received.
SPEAKER_01 (15:44):
And Natalie, it's called next step.
What's your next step?
What is the next step?
I like that.
Yes.
What is the next step?
Because it took so many petitesteps.
And so what's the next step?
And so it's called next step.
SPEAKER_03 (16:00):
I love it.
SPEAKER_02 (16:01):
Are you sharing this journey with your students?
Because when we talk aboutinnovative entrepreneurship,
like this is it.
SPEAKER_01 (16:06):
You're living it.
This is a funny story.
So in the summer, I always teachhigh school students and they
come from all over the world.
They come to campus and they'reliving in this beautiful area of
California where I'm at.
Again, they're not collegestudents or anything.
They don't even most of the timecome from California and they
come here.
(16:27):
And they came up with this idea.
So I'm really living andbreeding what I just told you,
that I'm listening to what theysay.
So they said, I love coming hereand listening to you.
And you totally changed my life.
They write me all these cutelittle testimonials and like
you're so sparked in energy.
And I'm just feeling like yougave me ideas about the
(16:47):
direction of my life.
My parents were like this too.
And then I thought, your parentswould like this?
And then all of a sudden Ithought, well, yeah, what about
creating something for businessowners, for people that actually
need to take that next step?
They're not in high schoolanymore, they don't go to
college.
But what is the next step?
(17:07):
Sometimes you wonder.
It's like, where is this allgoing?
That's how it came about.
And just listen to what theysay, and that's how the program
was born.
SPEAKER_02 (17:15):
I love that.
As a serial entrepreneur, I havefailed many times my first
attempt in learning.
We failed our way into thispodcast, right?
We had no idea.
Yes, first attempt in learning.
I love that.
The first attempt, the petitepractice, small steps, big
change.
Big believers.
We didn't have the exposure toyour work before, but I think
(17:37):
Pam and I have lived it over thelast decade in terms of the
things that we've worked tocreate and what we've brought
forward and coaching andtraining modules and the podcast
and now the book, plural books.
I love this idea of knowing likewhat is the next step because
not everyone is willing, as Pamand I are, to not know what the
(17:58):
next step is, but just say, youknow what, we'll figure it out.
Let's just do it and we'llfigure it out anyway.
So now there is this guide, thisroadmap that you've created.
SPEAKER_01 (18:07):
Yeah, it's nearly like you talk to about books.
Sometimes you read a really goodbook and then you're done with
it, and you have like this voidin your life.
You're like, oh, I don't knowwhat I'm going to read next,
because you're so good.
You're like, oh I'm part of likea group that's called What to
Read Next.
And sometimes it's good to evenline up what you read next
(18:29):
before you're done with thatbook that you like so much, so
that the void doesn't happen.
So when I practiced my TED Talk,it was so in the preparation
stage that one of my friendscame over and she said,
Christiana, just to let youknow, on that five-hour drive
back home from Sacramento, youmight feel that void.
(18:50):
And I said, Did what I said,well, that X is your life right
now.
If you're done giving that talk,what are you going to do?
I mean, you can't keeppracticing.
You're obviously done at thatpoint.
And I was like, What point?
And so it was good that shebrought this up because then I
started thinking about the book,the runway to the right job.
I thought, I don't want to fallinto the void.
(19:11):
So resilience also comes frombeing aware about those little
dips that will happen whenyou're on that peak of the
climbings.
That when it's done, like whatare you going to do?
And resilience really happensand pre-planning and thinking
about all right, so maybe I knowthis will happen.
August 16th is when I'mpresenting.
(19:32):
On August 17th, I need to havesomething lined up in my life.
SPEAKER_02 (19:36):
Ready to go.
That's great advice because Ithink we all find ourselves in
that, right?
We have the big project, the bigthing that we're working on, the
big whatever, and then ithappens and back to life is
normal, I guess, but we don'tknow normal because we've spent
so much time, invested so muchtime in preparing for whatever
that big thing was.
Exactly.
I don't know if I've doneanything as big as the TEDx, but
(19:56):
kudos.
Congratulations.
That is great.
I love that piece.
Anything else that you wouldlike to touch on and share with
our listeners that we haven'ttouched on today?
SPEAKER_01 (20:07):
Well, I think it's important for the listeners to
understand that no matter whereyou are in your journey, the
beauty of the petite practice isyou have to figure out what
works for you.
Any good coach can give youadvice, but you have to be
figuring out what works for youand be in control of your own
actions.
And you also have to be, ofcourse, ready to take the
(20:30):
action, right?
So that's step one.
But I always feel that really tolead into your superpower.
So using another acronym, likeleading, meaning like you have
to be a good listener, rightthere.
You have to also show empathy,figuring out who your target
market is, you really can help.
And then also be like reallyauthentic and being the true
(20:53):
you.
And then lastly, really feelingall right, so what's my
direction here?
And I think that is so importantbecause we sometimes feel like,
oh yeah, I'm going to work withthis coach, I'm going to create
a company.
But deep down, it's a lot aboutlistening to others, to
yourself, and figuring outreally where is it that my pain
(21:15):
point is, what pain point do Iwant to solve in this world
here?
Because there are so manyproblems that people go and
they're not solved yet.
One of those could be yours tosolve.
Go for it.
SPEAKER_03 (21:28):
Yes.
And you are solving many withyour books that you already have
and the ones to come.
SPEAKER_02 (21:34):
Exactly.
The next steps.
I love it.
I love it.
And a coaching program toaccompany.
I've got some books to order.
Exactly.
I love this.
Oh my gosh.
This has been absolutelyamazing.
If folks want to get a hold ofyou, what's the best place for
them to connect?
And we'll make sure that we dropit in the show notes once you
share as well.
SPEAKER_01 (21:54):
Yeah, so connect with me on my website,
drchistiana.com.
Of course, check out my podcast,happy, healthy, hustle.
And then all my books areavailable on Amazon.
Check them out there.
And of course, grab one, connectwith me.
And I would always be happy tohelp you wherever you want to go
in your life.
SPEAKER_03 (22:15):
And do the free test to find out what your superpower
is that's on your website.
SPEAKER_01 (22:20):
Discovering your superpower that will help you
figure out how aligned you arewith your true self.
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (22:27):
I'm curious.
I believe them pretty aligned,but now I'm just going to take
the assessment as soon as we hopoff, just so I can do a double
check.
Yes.
It's actually fun.
SPEAKER_01 (22:38):
Sometimes I have people like, oh yeah, I took it
and then I took it again just tokind of like see how things
changed.
And I said, Yeah, that's cool.
Actually, that's what we do inlife.
I sometimes feel like on somedays we're a little bit more
resilient than on others.
And that's why it's so great toknow how you can tap into
yourself because on those dayswhen it's maybe a little
(22:58):
tougher, you can really drawfrom the battery that you build
over time, from that happinessand joy that you created with
being aligned with who you are.
It's like a battery.
Everything works better when youunplug it every so often.
Yeah.
Even yourself.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (23:13):
Just plug in and charge up every so often.
Every so often.
Unplug.
Well, we will make sure that weput all of your contact
information and links to thebooks and everything in the show
notes so our listeners canexplore and learn more about you
and connect with you as well.
It has been an absolutepleasure.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you so much.
(23:34):
Thank you to the audience too.
Absolutely.
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We look forward to seeing youagain next time on Reignite
Resilience.
All of us reach a point in time where we are
depleted and need to somehowfind a way to reignite the fire
within.
But how do we spark that flame?
Welcome to Reignite Resilience,where we will venture into the
heart of the human spirit.
We'll discuss the art ofreigniting our passion and
(00:28):
strategies to stoke ourenthusiasm.
And now here are your hosts,Natalie Davis and Pamela Kat.
SPEAKER_03 (00:41):
Tell us a little bit more about Step Into Your Voice.
I love the title of that.
SPEAKER_01 (00:46):
I think the number one problem really is
confidence.
And when I'm referencing thevoice, it has like two meanings
to it, right?
One is like you could say, allright, so it's like how I speak.
What about how you read?
And then of course, you couldeven think, well, voice, that's
also vocation, like my calling.
(01:08):
So it's not just how I speak andwrite, it's also what I do.
There's so many things that tiein with your voice that in a
certain way, once you reallystep into it, you're learning
how to speak up more, how toactually express what you really
want, which a lot of peopledon't do enough of.
And once you do that, magic willhappen.
(01:28):
You've referenced magic a coupleof times.
SPEAKER_02 (01:31):
Does that come into your body of work?
SPEAKER_01 (01:33):
Yeah, so I do a lot of research about manifesting
and really speaking things outloud.
And in my TED talk, I talk aboutthat.
The German or Europeanefficiency really comes in with
my step system, which is the Sfor simplifying things.
(01:53):
Frequently we overcomplicateproblems.
So start by simplifying.
The T for telling somebody, andthat's what I just mentioned.
The magic happens when youexpress what you really want,
even like saying it to yourselfout loud, it really brings your
goal into your conscious.
It's not just something thatlives in your brain and nobody
knows it, but it's actuallybecoming reality and it's
(02:16):
bringing it into the presentmoment.
Like sometimes my husband says,I can't read your mind.
And I'm like, You can't?
You didn't know what I want forour wedding anniversary.
Yes.
I have to actually tell you.
First the simplify, then thetell.
And then thirdly, you have toexamine it and think a little
(02:37):
bit what worked, what felt good,what you will do then in the
future.
And then thirdly, the P standsfor praising progress.
So what is it that you reallywant to celebrate?
All these small moments and whatyou want to acknowledge in terms
of the high five, the wins thatyou've got.
So simplify, tell, examine, andpraise progress.
(02:57):
That's where I feel the magic'sgoing to happen in that system
that is over and overrepeatable, but at the same
time, where you're reallyfeeling it's a flywheel and
creates momentum in your life.
And that's also the system I'musing in the step into your
voice.
It's the STEP.
SPEAKER_02 (03:17):
And you're like, oh, yeah, there's a whole system
behind all this.
Exactly.
The whole model is going to makeits way over into the new book
as well, stepping into yourvoice.
Exactly.
Yeah.
It's the beautiful expansion ofmy TEDx talk.
Love that.
And you also do research in thespace of resiliency and hence
this podcast and what attractedyou to us in this podcast.
(03:40):
And we know that adversities cancome in many shapes and forms.
Do you focus on resiliency inprofession, personal lives,
business?
Where has your research reallyconcentrated in the past?
SPEAKER_01 (03:53):
So I actually was very intrigued about the concept
for a long time until I finallyended up giving it a name.
Part of it was really that Iteach innovation
entrepreneurship.
And I think to be become areally good entrepreneur, that
you need to understand the ondays are just about the same as
like the off days.
(04:13):
You're feeling business is notworking and everybody's doing
what I do, what's the point?
Then you really need thatresilience, that grit to keep
going, to keep past the off daysand get back onto the on days
because guess what?
They're going to come back.
But you just need to think aboutthe fact that it's like a
pendulum and you just need topush through it.
(04:34):
So even before I gave that anofficial name, I observed that
tendency that some people giveup quicker than others, others
push through.
What really makes them pushthrough?
And that's also how I steppedinto that superpower research
that I then used in mysuperpower book.
(04:55):
Because I would like that youfind that passion to push
through the off days, to getback into the on days, and you
find the passion to really getyour business off the ground,
even though sometimes you feel,I have no idea where this is
going.
But that is really how I gotinto this.
Because I'm so firm of abeliever that resilience is
(05:16):
really at the end of the day,what is the difference between a
great entrepreneur and amazingentrepreneur?
If you look at those people,they struggle just as much as
you do, but they just keptgoing.
SPEAKER_03 (05:28):
Yeah.
They didn't let it stop them.
SPEAKER_02 (05:30):
Yeah.
In the space of innovativeentrepreneurship as well, kudos
to your students and working inthe space because you're not
just simply building onsomething or creating something
that already exists.
I imagine that you're pressingthem to expand and, like you
said, answer that call, answerthat need that we don't have the
product or service thatsatisfies it yet.
Where do you see that resiliencycoming in with these?
(05:52):
Are they artificial companies ordo the students actually launch
the companies?
SPEAKER_01 (05:56):
Yeah, they launch companies.
And then when they graduate, Isometimes keep working with them
or have other clients that comein and they reach out to me.
They didn't even go to mycollege classes, they just reach
out to me and they need businessconsulting.
I think that sometimes whathappens is, and it goes back to
that simplify, tell, examine,and praise progress, that we
(06:17):
have a little bit of a fear insharing what we do because we
feel that either way otherpeople are going to laugh about
us, or maybe it makes us lookinferior, or it makes us look
vulnerable, and we don't want toshow up like looking somebody
that doesn't really know.
But I always appreciate a goodentrepreneur that just says, I
(06:39):
don't really know this.
Can you explain this to me?
Sassa, just say, show me howdoes this really work?
I don't really know this verymuch because that is just so
much better than just pretendingand showing up as somebody that
really actually doesn't know.
Because we are all learners deepdown, but just asking the right
question and showing whenthere's an area where you might
(07:00):
not have the expertise, that'samazing.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02 (07:05):
Level of vulnerability that comes with
that as well.
I want to do this, I'm raisingmy hand.
I am committed to doing this,but I also have no idea what the
heck is going on.
That's a big piece.
So you're wearing many hats.
I want to know for youpersonally, what is the thing
that excites you the most?
Is it being an author, being aprofessor, being a mom, being a
(07:26):
wife?
What is the thing that reallygets you going?
What is your superpower?
SPEAKER_01 (07:31):
I feel when I stepped on the TEDx stage, and
my daughters were in theaudience, my husband was there,
one of my best friends satthere, and all the preparation
that went into that moment andthe message I was sharing, I
felt it was all aligned.
The message, the people, themeaning behind all that.
(07:54):
I just felt like home.
It was like, yeah, this is whatI love doing.
It was a really good moment.
And when you watch the video,you can see that I'm super happy
when I'm talking and the waythat I'm presenting it.
I show that confidence that Ialigned my superpower with
myself.
So I really like that a lot.
I really do believe that themessage of the TEDx Talk moved
(08:17):
people's lives.
And to honestly tell you,Natalie, I presented it at home.
And sometimes people startedcrying.
I mean, I'm getting allemotional when I talk about
this, because the messageresonated with their own
superpower that they didn't evenknow they had.
So this is really cool.
I sometimes shared the message,and then people are like, oh my
(08:37):
gosh, it totally reminds me ofthat moment.
And then they shared that withme.
And that was really cool.
And I think that's really whyyou give it hit X talk is to
share something with the worldthat will make your corner of
the world just a little bit of abetter place, as I mentioned it
earlier.
And I have a cool acronym, it'syour first attempt in learning.
unknown (08:59):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (08:59):
Love it.
SPEAKER_01 (09:00):
Your resilience, right?
We're not failing.
It's the first attempt inlearning.
Your first.
Yes.
Like sometimes think about whenyou're sharing something with
others in how it makes themfeel.
And that's that's alsoimportant.
And just by sharing it, you'realready opening up your heart a
(09:20):
little bit more and keeping theconversation flowing.
SPEAKER_03 (09:23):
I loved watching your video when you found out
that you got selected to do theTEDx.
You could tell how passionatelyexcited you were about that
happening.
SPEAKER_01 (09:35):
Well, and then, and this is also a good follow-up to
this, and then when you have theTEDx recording, nobody in the
audience can take pictures, ofcourse, or can record this.
So you walk on the stage,Pamela, and at first you don't
actually even know how this alllooked like.
You just kind of show up andyou're like, I think it was
(09:57):
good.
But in the age of using cellphones for everything and at all
times, it's a little bit odd.
And so I walked up the stage andI was like, it was good, yeah,
it was good.
We were like, I don't know, itwas really amazing.
And I was like, oh and then theTEDx talk came out on YouTube.
And my friend that was also inthe audience on that day, she
(10:18):
actually lives in Alaska.
She came just for that talk.
And she said, This is what we'regonna do.
We're going to both watch it onYouTube now, but we're going to
listen to each other on thephone.
Honestly, I started cryingagain.
And so I recorded the secondvideo when I'm like watching
myself.
And I'm like, oh my gosh.
I'm like watching it.
And she said, Yeah, no, no, youwere so good.
(10:40):
And I was like, I didn't evenknow.
My gosh, this was actually likereally how other people saw me
on stage.
So that was the second moment ofcry.
This was actually really mydream.
It was always my dream to give aTEDx talk.
And then I was like, Oh yeah,this actually worked out really
good.
So that was cool how we bothwatched it, listening to each
(11:00):
other on the phone.
And you could think, how did shecelebrate?
Those were like the moments howI celebrated, watching it with
friends together at the sametime.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (11:10):
Hearing your reaction, hearing her reaction.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (11:13):
Exactly.
And now some of my students inthe class even asked me, so how
do you do that?
How do you give a talk?
And I'm like, I'm going to writea book about it.
SPEAKER_02 (11:21):
I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (11:22):
And you can do it.
SPEAKER_02 (11:23):
Exactly.
And I don't want to hear abouthow you give a talk, but I am
curious as to your process, thein-between, right?
We have the video that capturesyou finding out.
We have the talk itself and yourreaction after watching it.
But we know in between, like thepreparation that goes into that,
andor procrastination or not.
Maybe there was just a ton ofgrit and no procrastination.
SPEAKER_01 (11:45):
What did that look like for you?
Beautiful, Natalie.
There's another book that I'mwriting that's called The Runway
to the Red Dot.
SPEAKER_03 (11:53):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (11:54):
Because I feel that TED X talk is kind of, I mean, I
used the word magic before.
It's definitely magic and lifetransforming, but at the same
time, it's also a little bitmysterious.
Maybe magic is mysterious.
But I feel a lot of people wantto do it, but they don't really
know how and what it takes.
Because I am a creator, acontent creator, I created a lot
(12:16):
of really cool secrets of how Iprepared for that.
And I will share them in thatbook, of course.
So I'm basically going to lineup my whole timeline from the
moment that I applied with myvery first application to
getting the YouTube viewers past5,500 views in just a few weeks.
(12:37):
It's the runway to the red dot,but then you'd have to actually
keep going past the red dot.
Yes.
So I will share it there.
So there's a lot that goes intoit.
And for sure, I love that youask about resilience.
It is really a hard journey.
And I wish now, Natalie, that Iwould have filmed some of the
moments when I was crying.
(12:58):
And that was not tears of joy.
That was just tears ofdesperation because it is so
hard.
Like when I sometimes sat thereand I was like, I can't memorize
it.
You have to memorize the wholetalk.
Or like when I was like, oh mygosh, I ordered this extra
outfit on eBay and I didn't gethere.
I was wearing all white onstage.
(13:18):
And I thought I'm probably goingto be that person that spells
coffee and then I didn't gethere.
And I got all stressed out,which hindsight is like totally
ridiculous.
You're watching this, you'relike, no, but she looks perfect
on stage.
It could have been that somebodyspilled something on me, right?
There's all these small littlethings.
Well, in any case, so yeah, I'mdefinitely now glad that I
(13:39):
documented everything on camera,but some of the resilience,
that's why I'm writing the book,because of the resilience.
It's such an important elementin this.
And when will that book comeout?
So that's a really goodquestion.
I was thinking probably inFebruary, because that's when
they when I started activelyapplying.
So it'll be a year after that.
SPEAKER_03 (13:58):
Okay.
To be continued.
SPEAKER_01 (14:01):
To be continued, because as I say, I feel it's my
obligation to write it.
SPEAKER_03 (14:05):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (14:06):
Somebody's got to write all this down.
SPEAKER_03 (14:08):
Yeah, absolutely.
I love that.
A roadmap of somebody that'salready gone through it
successfully.
That will change people's livesand maybe give them the courage
to actually take a chance and doit.
SPEAKER_01 (14:19):
That's exactly it.
I want to be the light thatkeeps you going.
That's beautiful.
Like in the moment of darkness,they're like, oh, I don't know
what to do.
I hope you've kind of picked upthe book and read it.
SPEAKER_02 (14:30):
You'll have a tool that will help you.
I love this.
So three books for sure that weknow are on the horizon.
Yeah.
What else is um in store foryou?
What else do we have to expect?
SPEAKER_01 (14:41):
Yeah, so right now, what I'm really lining up with
is using the tools as workbookswith coaching.
Okay.
Because while I appreciatereading a good book and my books
are super interactive, they evenhave word searches in there and
little areas where you can dolike doodles and puzzles, and
there's podcast episodes thatyou can listen to that you can
(15:03):
scan and listen to in the books.
I also think though that I wouldlike to connect with people in
person.
So I'm really getting intolaunching the books along with
launching coaching offers.
SPEAKER_02 (15:15):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (15:16):
And of course, very fittingly, then the coaching is
going to be called Step IntoYour Voice.
So really the book and what'scalled the STEP program will go
hand in hand.
So you could use the book andthe coach, and at the end, maybe
even have that TEDx talk linedup as your final outcome or
whatever you want to step into.
I would help you with that.
SPEAKER_03 (15:37):
That's incredible.
SPEAKER_02 (15:38):
I think that's super powerful.
SPEAKER_03 (15:39):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (15:40):
It's something that doesn't exist, and I think that
it would be well received.
SPEAKER_01 (15:44):
And Natalie, it's called next step.
What's your next step?
What is the next step?
I like that.
Yes.
What is the next step?
Because it took so many petitesteps.
And so what's the next step?
And so it's called next step.
SPEAKER_03 (16:00):
I love it.
SPEAKER_02 (16:01):
Are you sharing this journey with your students?
Because when we talk aboutinnovative entrepreneurship,
like this is it.
SPEAKER_01 (16:06):
You're living it.
This is a funny story.
So in the summer, I always teachhigh school students and they
come from all over the world.
They come to campus and they'reliving in this beautiful area of
California where I'm at.
Again, they're not collegestudents or anything.
They don't even most of the timecome from California and they
come here.
(16:27):
And they came up with this idea.
So I'm really living andbreeding what I just told you,
that I'm listening to what theysay.
So they said, I love coming hereand listening to you.
And you totally changed my life.
They write me all these cutelittle testimonials and like
you're so sparked in energy.
And I'm just feeling like yougave me ideas about the
(16:47):
direction of my life.
My parents were like this too.
And then I thought, your parentswould like this?
And then all of a sudden Ithought, well, yeah, what about
creating something for businessowners, for people that actually
need to take that next step?
They're not in high schoolanymore, they don't go to
college.
But what is the next step?
(17:07):
Sometimes you wonder.
It's like, where is this allgoing?
That's how it came about.
And just listen to what theysay, and that's how the program
was born.
SPEAKER_02 (17:15):
I love that.
As a serial entrepreneur, I havefailed many times my first
attempt in learning.
We failed our way into thispodcast, right?
We had no idea.
Yes, first attempt in learning.
I love that.
The first attempt, the petitepractice, small steps, big
change.
Big believers.
We didn't have the exposure toyour work before, but I think
(17:37):
Pam and I have lived it over thelast decade in terms of the
things that we've worked tocreate and what we've brought
forward and coaching andtraining modules and the podcast
and now the book, plural books.
I love this idea of knowing likewhat is the next step because
not everyone is willing, as Pamand I are, to not know what the
(17:58):
next step is, but just say, youknow what, we'll figure it out.
Let's just do it and we'llfigure it out anyway.
So now there is this guide, thisroadmap that you've created.
SPEAKER_01 (18:07):
Yeah, it's nearly like you talk to about books.
Sometimes you read a really goodbook and then you're done with
it, and you have like this voidin your life.
You're like, oh, I don't knowwhat I'm going to read next,
because you're so good.
You're like, oh I'm part of likea group that's called What to
Read Next.
And sometimes it's good to evenline up what you read next
(18:29):
before you're done with thatbook that you like so much, so
that the void doesn't happen.
So when I practiced my TED Talk,it was so in the preparation
stage that one of my friendscame over and she said,
Christiana, just to let youknow, on that five-hour drive
back home from Sacramento, youmight feel that void.
(18:50):
And I said, Did what I said,well, that X is your life right
now.
If you're done giving that talk,what are you going to do?
I mean, you can't keeppracticing.
You're obviously done at thatpoint.
And I was like, What point?
And so it was good that shebrought this up because then I
started thinking about the book,the runway to the right job.
I thought, I don't want to fallinto the void.
(19:11):
So resilience also comes frombeing aware about those little
dips that will happen whenyou're on that peak of the
climbings.
That when it's done, like whatare you going to do?
And resilience really happensand pre-planning and thinking
about all right, so maybe I knowthis will happen.
August 16th is when I'mpresenting.
(19:32):
On August 17th, I need to havesomething lined up in my life.
SPEAKER_02 (19:36):
Ready to go.
That's great advice because Ithink we all find ourselves in
that, right?
We have the big project, the bigthing that we're working on, the
big whatever, and then ithappens and back to life is
normal, I guess, but we don'tknow normal because we've spent
so much time, invested so muchtime in preparing for whatever
that big thing was.
Exactly.
I don't know if I've doneanything as big as the TEDx, but
(19:56):
kudos.
Congratulations.
That is great.
I love that piece.
Anything else that you wouldlike to touch on and share with
our listeners that we haven'ttouched on today?
SPEAKER_01 (20:07):
Well, I think it's important for the listeners to
understand that no matter whereyou are in your journey, the
beauty of the petite practice isyou have to figure out what
works for you.
Any good coach can give youadvice, but you have to be
figuring out what works for youand be in control of your own
actions.
And you also have to be, ofcourse, ready to take the
(20:30):
action, right?
So that's step one.
But I always feel that really tolead into your superpower.
So using another acronym, likeleading, meaning like you have
to be a good listener, rightthere.
You have to also show empathy,figuring out who your target
market is, you really can help.
And then also be like reallyauthentic and being the true
(20:53):
you.
And then lastly, really feelingall right, so what's my
direction here?
And I think that is so importantbecause we sometimes feel like,
oh yeah, I'm going to work withthis coach, I'm going to create
a company.
But deep down, it's a lot aboutlistening to others, to
yourself, and figuring outreally where is it that my pain
(21:15):
point is, what pain point do Iwant to solve in this world
here?
Because there are so manyproblems that people go and
they're not solved yet.
One of those could be yours tosolve.
Go for it.
SPEAKER_03 (21:28):
Yes.
And you are solving many withyour books that you already have
and the ones to come.
SPEAKER_02 (21:34):
Exactly.
The next steps.
I love it.
I love it.
And a coaching program toaccompany.
I've got some books to order.
Exactly.
I love this.
Oh my gosh.
This has been absolutelyamazing.
If folks want to get a hold ofyou, what's the best place for
them to connect?
And we'll make sure that we dropit in the show notes once you
share as well.
SPEAKER_01 (21:54):
Yeah, so connect with me on my website,
drchistiana.com.
Of course, check out my podcast,happy, healthy, hustle.
And then all my books areavailable on Amazon.
Check them out there.
And of course, grab one, connectwith me.
And I would always be happy tohelp you wherever you want to go
in your life.
SPEAKER_03 (22:15):
And do the free test to find out what your superpower
is that's on your website.
SPEAKER_01 (22:20):
Discovering your superpower that will help you
figure out how aligned you arewith your true self.
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (22:27):
I'm curious.
I believe them pretty aligned,but now I'm just going to take
the assessment as soon as we hopoff, just so I can do a double
check.
Yes.
It's actually fun.
SPEAKER_01 (22:38):
Sometimes I have people like, oh yeah, I took it
and then I took it again just tokind of like see how things
changed.
And I said, Yeah, that's cool.
Actually, that's what we do inlife.
I sometimes feel like on somedays we're a little bit more
resilient than on others.
And that's why it's so great toknow how you can tap into
yourself because on those dayswhen it's maybe a little
(22:58):
tougher, you can really drawfrom the battery that you build
over time, from that happinessand joy that you created with
being aligned with who you are.
It's like a battery.
Everything works better when youunplug it every so often.
Yeah.
Even yourself.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (23:13):
Just plug in and charge up every so often.
Every so often.
Unplug.
Well, we will make sure that weput all of your contact
information and links to thebooks and everything in the show
notes so our listeners canexplore and learn more about you
and connect with you as well.
It has been an absolutepleasure.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you so much.
(23:34):
Thank you to the audience too.
Absolutely.
Well, and for our regularlisteners, you all know if you
want to find out what's going onin the world of Reignite
Resilience, head on over toReigniteResilience.com.
And if you have not already,subscribe to our Think Letter
that comes out every week wherewe dive deeper into these
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(23:54):
our own aha's.
And until next time, we'll seeyou all soon.
SPEAKER_00 (23:58):
Bye everyone.
Thank you for joining us todayon the Reignite Resilience
podcast.
We hope you had some aha momentsand learned a few new real life
ideas to fuel the flames ofpassion.
Please subscribe on yourfavorite streaming platform,
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Rewarded for bravery that goes above and beyond the call of duty, the Medal of Honor is the United States’ top military decoration. The stories we tell are about the heroes who have distinguished themselves by acts of heroism and courage that have saved lives. From Judith Resnik, the second woman in space, to Daniel Daly, one of only 19 people to have received the Medal of Honor twice, these are stories about those who have done the improbable and unexpected, who have sacrificed something in the name of something much bigger than themselves. Every Wednesday on Medal of Honor, uncover what their experiences tell us about the nature of sacrifice, why people put their lives in danger for others, and what happens after you’ve become a hero. Special thanks to series creator Dan McGinn, to the Congressional Medal of Honor Society and Adam Plumpton. Medal of Honor begins on May 28. Subscribe to Pushkin+ to hear ad-free episodes one week early. Find Pushkin+ on the Medal of Honor show page in Apple or at Pushkin.fm. Subscribe on Apple: apple.co/pushkin Subscribe on Pushkin: pushkin.fm/plus
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com