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We share the messy, honest journey from podcast to book series and why The Quiet Gift exists: to turn quiet struggles into usable wisdom and help people feel seen. We talk dyslexia, shame, resilience, and how leaders and parents can support neurodiversity with simple, human choices.

• scrapping the first 64 pages to find the right form
• choosing a fable with journal prompts for reflection
• the red journal motif and series continuity
• dyslexia as a quiet gift and source of resilience
• the shame of feeling invisible and how to name it
• leading neurodiverse teams with empathy and clarity
• memory, edits, and telling vulnerable stories well
• audiobook plans, timelines, and what’s next in the series

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Pamela Cass is a licensed broker with Kentwood Real Estate
Natalie Davis is a licensed broker with Keller Williams Realty Downtown, LLC

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SPEAKER_00 (00:01):
All of us reach a point in time where we are
depleted and need to somehowfind a way to reignite the fire
within.
But how do we spark that flame?
Welcome to Reignite Resilience,where we will venture into the
heart of the human spirit.
We'll discuss the art ofreigniting our passion and

(00:23):
strategies to stoke ourenthusiasm.
And now here are your hosts,Natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.

SPEAKER_01 (00:32):
Welcome back to another episode of Reignite
Resilience.
I'm your co-host Natalie Davis,and I'm so excited to be back
with all of you today.
And joining me, of course, isour public co-host, Pam Cass.
Hello, Pam.
How are you?

SPEAKER_02 (00:44):
Hello, I am fabulous.
It is Friday, and this has beena week where there were, I feel
like there were four Mondays.

SPEAKER_01 (00:51):
Oh my gosh.
I don't know what it was.
I don't want to give Monday ahard time because I like
Mondays.
I do too, usually.
I like Mondays.
We there was a day this week.
Well, it would have beenThursday this week, which I
didn't know that it wasThursday.
And I woke up and I everwhenever we have a new episode
that drops, I get a notificationthat says your episode has um

(01:12):
dropped and it's live and it'sready to go.
And I woke up and I got thatnotification on my phone and I
had this moment of anxiety, andI was like, oh crap, I've messed
up.
Why did I put the episode on thewrong day?
And so I'm like franticallytrying to log in to pull the
episode down because in my mindit was Wednesday.
Not Wednesday, it was Wednesday.
In my mind it was Wednesday.

(01:33):
Yes.
Thank you for that.
In my mind it was Wednesday.
And as soon as I like swiped into like open my phone to do the
adjustments, it like tells meit's like, happy Thursday.
Today is the depth.
I'm like, oh like, oh, I misseda whole day.
And then it turned into a wholenother moment of anxiety because
I was like, crap, I've got somuch to do before Friday.

(01:55):
Oh my God.
This has been one of thoseweeks.

SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
It's been just one of those weeks where I'm like,
God, are we there yet?
Like, come on.
So I am grateful.
This is like my last thing on myschedule for today, work-wise.
Yes.
Because I've been on calls allday today.
So I am so grateful that this isthis is the end.
And it's gonna be fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 (02:16):
Yes.
So just for the listeners, asyou know, as we're recording
this, uh, you're the only thingthat stands between us and the
weekend.
So there we go.

SPEAKER_02 (02:24):
No pressure at all.

SPEAKER_01 (02:26):
Exactly.
No, I'm happy that you're here.
Please stay.
We want you to stay in theworld.
Yes, we want you to stay.
We want you to stay.

SPEAKER_02 (02:32):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (02:33):
Oh my goodness.
Well, I am we don't have a guestjoining us today, and I'm really
excited because we have a lot ofthings that we've been working
on behind the scenes.
Um and I think we want to talkabout one of those projects
that's come to um, I don't knowwhat do we say.
Like I say it's like a labor oflove, so I don't want to say
that it's born.
Uh, one project that isofficially born and and and

(02:56):
crawling well, I think.
We've had some great feedbackand great response.
Um and that's our book.
So our book is officiallylaunched.
It is available on Amazon.
It is called The Quiet Gift.
Um, it is part of the RedJournal series, and uh it's part
of Pam's story.

(03:16):
So Pam, why don't we we talkabout the book a little bit?

SPEAKER_02 (03:20):
Absolutely.
Well, here's what's um what'sfunny is when we first met with
the the our writing coach, andshe's like, Well, what's your
goal for the book?
And I said, end of 2025,Natalie's like March.
And I'm like, what?
Like three months?
I'm like, I'd had a coronary.

(03:40):
Um, so we're we met right in themiddle.
So we're not at the end of theyear, we're not in March, but
we're we're kind of right in themiddle.

SPEAKER_01 (03:47):
And well, that was like my thinking.
I was like, oh, how long couldit possibly take to one of them?
Four months, five months?
We can do it.
No, it was six months.
That was six months when we hadthis meeting.
And I was like, we can get thisdone in six months.
There's two of us, we can writea book in six months.

SPEAKER_02 (04:02):
It's a peasy, no, no problem at all.
Uh no, there's so much to gointo it that I just, you know,
like the the editing, theformatting, the cover, the back
cover, the side, like all thethings that you just don't think
about.
And then all the approvals andgetting it onto Amazon and
getting Amazon to approve it andpricing and blah blah, all the

(04:25):
things that you just don't eventhink about.

SPEAKER_01 (04:27):
It's an entire business in itself.
Like just the process of writingand launching a book is the same
as like starting a smallbusiness.
Um, because you have to thinkabout all of those elements.
And we we did it.
We I did, and I was like, youwould just want me to.
I've got a lot of ideas in mybrain.
I'm gonna put those ideas onpaper.
You print it, we sell it, badabing, bada boom, here we go.

(04:47):
Six months later.

SPEAKER_02 (04:50):
Easy, no big deal.
Well, I mean, we did start apodcast in like five months.

SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
So that's I mean, like historyhas given me the support I need
to believe.
Absolutely.

unknown (05:04):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (05:06):
Maybe if we both didn't other have you know five
other jobs that other jobs, inaddition to having other careers
that we actually run as well.
Yeah, so not just.
I think that's it.
I think well, I mean, if we goback, because it would have been
a year ago now that we actuallystarted this journey.
Um, just where we started toexplore, like, okay, we're going
to write a book.
What does that look like?
What do we want to write about?

(05:27):
What do we want to share?
And um, the journey actuallystarted by uh us thinking, okay,
why don't we share the storiesof the amazing guests that we've
had on the show?
Yeah.
Because we have had phenomenalguests on the show over the last
couple of years.
And it's been nice to just learnfrom them, to grow from them.
I've personally applied so manyof the things that I've learned

(05:48):
to my own personal life andseeing my growth and expansion.
And so we thought, why don't wejust encapsulate that into a
book and bring that to ourlisteners?
And for potential people thatdon't listen, um, they can learn
more about, you know, insert thetopic money, relationships,
career, um, any type ofdifferent abilities, um, any,

(06:10):
you know, uh chronic or um uhillnesses that have popped up,
like health issues, wellness.
We've talked about all of it,right?
We've touched on all the things.
Um we were gonna make it a book.
And we went down that path.

SPEAKER_02 (06:22):
We did.
We got 64 pages in.
Yeah.
Not that I'm counting, but wedid.

SPEAKER_01 (06:31):
And to some that may not sound like a lot, but it was
a lot.

unknown (06:36):
A lot.

SPEAKER_02 (06:37):
I think if most people that don't write, it it's
a lot.
Like I hear 64 and I'm like,that's a lot of pages.

SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
Absolutely.
Well, and I think it was alsothe um research and back end
that went into it, right?
Because we we wanted tohighlight and showcase the
stories of our guest.
And so it's a matter offiltering out, okay, well, who
are we featuring and what are wetalking about?
And what were those, you know,those golden nuggets that we
really wanted to share?
And so uh we had not only theoutline, um not only the idea, I

(07:06):
should say, the outline, um, theconcept, and we started the
writing process of um fillingthat in.
And and Pammy, you and I liketag teamed it.
It was like, okay, well, I'mgonna write about this and and
you write about that, and andhere we go.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's six or four pageslater.

SPEAKER_02 (07:22):
Yeah, and then and then I stalled.
You know, I'll speak for myself.
I like just came to this, I hita wall where I was like, it just
didn't feel I wasn't it itdidn't feel, I don't know.
Um, I don't know, when you Ithink about writing a book, it's
like I want it to feel like, ohmy gosh, like this is like this
is my baby.

(07:43):
Yeah, and it just didn't feellike that.
And I think it was because wewere sharing other people's
stories, and I was like, okay,and so we did we just kind of
paused, and it was then I got,and I ever I believe in the
universe working, I got a bookfrom one of my coaching clients
called The Energy Bus, and justa small hardback book.

(08:05):
And I'm an audible person, likeI like to listen.
Well, I couldn't find it onAudible, so I'm like, great, I'm
gonna have to read it.
And um, so I just read a littlebit every night, and it was
written like a story, but it hada message, and so that's why I
called Natalie, and it was lastDecember.
I think you uh I think you wereliterally heading out of town
the next day.

(08:26):
And I said, Yes, I have I justfinished this book.
I was like, what do you thinkabout scrapping um our the book
we've written so far, what we'vedone so far, the 64 pages, and
we start from scratch and we doa series of books because the
energy bus is a series.
So we do this series of books,and each book is just a its own

(08:46):
standalone kind of story-ish.
And you were like, I don't knowhow to do that.

SPEAKER_01 (08:52):
I was like, I was like, not only do I not have to
know how to do it, I hadn't readthe book yet, and so I was like,
Well, I'm coming over to grabthe book, and like I immediately
went to your house.
I was like, I need the book, Ineed to pick it up, I need to
read it.
And and I was, I was leavingtown the next day to go on
vacation and went on vacationfor two weeks um and brought the

(09:12):
book with me.
And it was perfect because thenI was able to read it.
And by the time I came back, youhad already put pen to paper,
you know, from idea it went pento paper, and you're like,
here's what would come up with.

SPEAKER_02 (09:22):
Yeah.
And I just I said, why don't we,why don't I just put a get a
stab at it and see if it flows?
And um, so I just started withmy story from, you know, as
young as I can remember andthrough college.
And I wanted to make it a littlebit different because the energy
bus has like fictionalcharacters in it, and there's a

(09:43):
bus and a bus driver, and blah,blah.
And so I wanted to do a littlebit, a little bit of a spin on
it.
And so um, there is a fictionalcharacter in there called Sam,
and Sam is kind of like yourinner voice, that voice that
shows up, but it's the the goodinner voice.
It's not the Dr.
Evil pork shop, it's actuallythe good inner voice.
And he shows up when the maincharacter, Emily, is in need of

(10:08):
him being there with his wisdom.
And then there was a he givesher a journal, like a tattered
old red journal at the verybeginning of the story.
And the journal disappears andshows up, and it shows up when
she's at this place whereusually Sam has come, shown up,
asked her a question, and thenthe journal shows up and it's

(10:30):
got that question in thejournal, and then she's able to
kind of do a journal promptabout it.
So she's basically writes in thejournal.
And so it's a little bit offiction, a little bit of magic.
Um, it's mostly my story though.
Um, and what I I was so excitedabout it, you know, getting the
cover and and getting it onAmazon, and then it was live,

(10:51):
and then I was like, oh god,like people are gonna read this.
What if nobody likes it?
What the hell?
Oh my god.
And there was this likeliterally like visceral panic
this last week because we werereaching out to people and I was
like, oh my God, what if theyhate it?

SPEAKER_01 (11:09):
Which is a whole different side of the business.
Like, right, I talked about thebusiness side part of it, right?
Like in my mind, again, I wasthe person that said, we can
knock this out in six months, wecan get it done.
So, like going through writingthe book, and again, here we go.
It is another multi-monthprocess, but you you're right,
like it's getting the cover andapproving the cover, and it's
you're starting with a blankcanvas.

(11:30):
And so going through thatprocess of finding a cover that
actually it goes against thewhole saying, right?
Like, you can't judge a book byits cover.
It's like, no, we want you tojudge the whole book by the
cover.
Like, that's exactly how you gointo that meeting.
And I need you to judge the bookfrom the cover and pick it up
and buy it and read it, add tocart, purchase, done, right?

(11:51):
And so when you're starting withan absolute blank canvas, it's
like, okay, well, hold on, thisis my whole story, and I need
one image to uh really capturethe essence of everything that's
covered in the book.
And I think, I mean, I thinkit's it what we chose works
really, really well.
Um but you're right, like thatthat journal carries through the
entire story, and so we'vecarried that to the cover of the

(12:13):
book.

SPEAKER_02 (12:14):
And so we've we've made it part of a series, and so
the red journal series, which wewere just chatting before we
came on that where I'm gonnastart working on um prompts
because we want to make a redjournal that people can order
and have as a companion to thebooks or just as you know, just
a standalone.

(12:35):
And every day you'll have a newprompt that you can sit in
quiet, whatever, you know,outside, wherever your space is
that um you hold, just be quietand you can just write.
And hopefully it'll uncover somethings because what I what I
found with writing this book wasI would be doing something, and

(12:56):
then I'm like, oh my gosh, Itotally forgot about that.
And then I'd be like, Oh, I needto add a chapter, or I'd write
something.
I was like, oh no, actuallythat's not how it happened, it
it was this, and so I keptchanging.
And I think it I think after thefirst edit, I think I added a
couple of chapters.
I was like, Oh, I added two morechapters, and I was like,
because I remembered things, andeven now I'm like, Oh, I didn't

(13:17):
put that in there, I should havetotally put that in there, so
all sorts of different umthoughts with it, but yeah, it's
very vulnerable and scary to putthat out there.
A hundred percent and yeah, ahundred percent, right?

SPEAKER_01 (13:31):
That's the process.
I mean, just going through theprocess of writing the book, I
think that's one thing.
Um like years ago ago, I I wentthrough a writing retreat.
I think I've shared that withthe listeners previously, and uh
ended up writing a book andgoing same thing, going through
edits and and getting thefeedback of you know, you need
more character development here,and and it was my own personal

(13:52):
story.
And it's like I went throughthose first round of edits and I
was like, what do you mean?
I need character development.
She is who she is, it's me.
Yeah, this is me.
And so it's it's like mayallowing other people to see
like your innermost everything,right?
And and then for them tocritique it, because that just
my story on paper does not turninto a best-selling novel,

(14:14):
right?
It's it's you've got to actuallythere's some components and
elements of a book that it needsto have.
Yeah, who knew to do all.
Um but you're right, it's thevulnerability piece of it.
Like it's it's putting yourselfout there, especially when it's
your story, but it's also like Ithink it goes what I I love and
I think is really unique is thatit's not just your story, but
it's also a tool for people,right?

(14:34):
It's it's um it's notnecessarily a guide, but it
definitely is uh written in away that causes you or allows
you to pause and reflect andthink, you know what, that yeah,
I've had those moments in mylife, or I've felt those
feelings or emotions or or lackthereof in my life, and and um

(14:55):
and addressing like how did yourespond?
How did you show up?
And could you have respondeddifferently if there was someone
there, someone there to supportyou?

SPEAKER_02 (15:04):
Absolutely.
Yeah, it's the outreach I'vegotten from people that have
started to read it um has beenreally cool because it's you
know, oh my gosh, I have a childthat has uh dyslexia or um has
ADHD or or whatever thatneurodivergent um is with their
their child, or gosh, I wish Ihad known this.

(15:28):
And because it's from my pointof view as a child with
dyslexia, feeling very muchcompletely invisible and what
that childhood looked like.
And if you are a parent and youhave a child with some sort of
uh, and I don't call it adisability, I think it's a gift.
It's literally literally is aquiet gift.

(15:48):
Um, it's just we just do thingsa little bit differently, but it
can be very lonely becausethere's a lot of shame that is
attached to it and makes youwant to pretend like it doesn't
exist.
And, you know, we were talkingbefore we got on, you know, as I
did research about dyslexia,there's certain things people
with dyslexia tend to be veryresilient because they've had to

(16:11):
be.
They've had to adjust the waythey read, the way they interact
with people, communicate, theirentire lives.
So it makes them very resilient.
Something bad happens, theyfigure out a way to move through
it.
I was like, okay, that checks.
Yep.
Um, tend to overwork.
So they will work twice as hardat jobs because they feel like

(16:33):
they need to prove their worthbecause in their minds they're
they're not enough and they needto do better.
Like, well, check.
You know, I even had issues atjobs where co-workers and bosses
felt like I was trying tooutwork other or them.
And it's like that was not thecase, but I didn't know that.

(16:54):
That was just that's just howI'm wired because of it.
Um, tend to be more empatheticwith people because we
understand what that that feelslike.
Um, so this book is not justabout the dyslexia.
I think it's more about feelinginvisible and not being seen,
not feeling like you're seen.
And I think it's because whenyou do have some of these quiet

(17:17):
gifts, you do shrink because youare ashamed and you don't want
people to know.
And I went for years thinking Icured myself of dyslexia.
And it wasn't until I did apresentation on dyslexia, I'm
like, oh, can you can I becured?
Because I don't think I have itanymore.
And they're like, oh no, no, youactually do.

SPEAKER_01 (17:34):
No, you just shoved it so far under the rug that
you're like, it doesn't exist.
I don't see it.
I don't know what you're talkingabout.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (17:40):
But if I yeah, but if I had embraced it, then I
could have known how tocommunicate that to other
people.
Like, this is what I'm reallygood at, and these are the
things that I really struggle atthese.
So I need support or I can findsupport to help me in those
areas.
And we were talking before wegot on.
I think that's why we work welltogether because you have

(18:00):
talents that I can't even I lovethat just gives me anxiety.
I get so I mean, what did I Isent you a text message this
week?
I need help.

SPEAKER_01 (18:08):
Oh, you did, and I was like, Oh my, something,
yeah, because you never sendthat message, and I'm like, oh,
something is on fire and the skyis falling.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (18:17):
And I'm so overwhelmed about something, and
you just got on and just calmlyboop, boop, boop, boop, boop,
and it was fine.
I was like, it just when I getoverwhelm overstimulated,
overwhelmed, I just like panic.
Yeah.
And that's just knowing thatabout myself.
And so then I think about, youknow, the things about that made
me a good leader were some ofthose things because I could be

(18:40):
empathetic.
I did understand other people'sdifferences.
I was able to do that, I couldconnect with people pretty well.
Um, but I also recognize now thechallenges, the struggles, the
places that, gosh, if I hadknown that, I could have done
things differently.
So are there and what one infive people have something?
Either dyslexia, ADHD, autism,some somewhere on the spectrum.

(19:03):
So either you have it or you areprobably leading or managing
somebody that has it.
And how can you tap into theirgifts that they have?
Right.
And understand it.
And it doesn't mean you have tolead differently for everybody,
but gosh, if you could tap intoit, that would be a powerful
team.

SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
A hundred percent.

unknown (19:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (19:22):
Well, and I think the leading and the supporting
piece, right?
Because not only from theemployment standpoint, like if
it's if it's one in five, it'slike someone in your household,
someone in your close friendcircles, someone in your family.
Um, there are people that haveuh some type of different
ability.
And it's not a matter of, okay,well, we've got to adjust or

(19:43):
change everything that we'redoing, but how can we be more
supportive?
How can we be more empathetic?
I think that's the piece is thatif we don't have a different
ability, there is an opportunityfor us to create an equitable
space for individuals withdifferent abilities, right?
And so that's uh I think thoseare the missed opportunities.
Um the book does talk about thator dives into that portion of

(20:03):
your story a little bit.
And so that's I I think thoseare the things that we as
parents, as friends, ascolleagues, we think, gosh, I I
probably could have handled thata little bit differently, or I
could have worked harder tocreate a safer space, or a s a
space that sets everyone elsefor uh, you know, everyone else
for success.
Um but we don't we don't thinkabout that a lot.

SPEAKER_02 (20:25):
We don't, and we don't, and I didn't, I didn't
for years.
And you know, and I didn't Iwanted to pretend like oh no, I
don't, I don't nothing.
But the amount of people thatI've since I've done since this
has come out that have called meand said, Oh my gosh, I have
dyslexia.
And I'm like, no idea, didn'tknow.

SPEAKER_01 (20:42):
Yeah, um exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (20:43):
And so that's it's yeah, it's been very
eye-opening.
And so it's it's very vulnerableand it is scary.
But um I I wanted to leave somekind of a legacy for my kids,
and and I hope my kids read it.
I don't know if they will, but Ihope they do.

SPEAKER_01 (21:02):
Um so that they canerate it.

SPEAKER_02 (21:06):
Yeah, I'll beterate it.
Um, have maybe a little insight,and I think that there'll be a
lot of people that um can relateto Emily's story, even if you
did not have, even if you do nothave uh dyslexia or ADHD or or
anything.

SPEAKER_01 (21:22):
A hundred percent.
So I love it.
Oh my gosh, what's the biggestthing that you learned uh coming
out of writing this book?

SPEAKER_02 (21:30):
Oh gosh, what's the biggest thing I learned?
How much I enjoyed doing it.
Oh I didn't think I I was like,I have dyslexia.
I can't write a book.
What are you talking about?
So um and I loved uh the memorypiece of it, you know, going
back and like rememberingcertain things.
Like the first chapter isprobably one of my favorites

(21:51):
because it's it was literallyjust remembering my childhood
when we lived back in outside ofBoston and the hours that we'd
my brother and I would be goneduring the day playing in the
woods and and exploring and thattype of stuff.
So it literally put me back inthat space for for that brief
moment, which was was reallyfun.
It was because you you forget alot.

(22:13):
We forget a lot of our childhooduntil we start to really write
about it, and then you're like,oh shoot, I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_01 (22:19):
I think just writing about it and giving yourself
time to even sit sit with it,right?
To go back into those spaces.
I don't I don't know if just theaverage person creates that for
themselves, right?
Like it's writing about it, Ithink, is a like a step up.
Like you just take a moment andpause and think about it.
Um the good, the bad, the ugly,and and the indifferent, right?

(22:40):
You think about all of it andthen it comes together because
it's it's it's what has made uswho we are, right?
Like it's who we are.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's interesting.
So you've unlocked a whole newthing that you enjoy in in
writing.
That's I I feel like that's athat's a common uh theme that we

(23:02):
hear with our authors that comeon, at least those that come on
the show and uh those that welisten to um just as we're
preparing and things that oncethey write a book, they're like,
Yep, now that we've done theheavy lifting, I can do it
again.
And not only can I do it again,but I have to because I've got
another total part of the storyto share, or there's something
else that needs to be released.

SPEAKER_02 (23:20):
Yep.
Yep, absolutely.
And then I'm just like, oh,maybe it'll be a maybe it'll be
a TV series or something.
I'm like, who would play Emily?

SPEAKER_01 (23:29):
Oh, there we go.
I love it.

SPEAKER_02 (23:31):
Who would play Sam?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (23:33):
It's just I I love that you go there because I'm
like, who's gonna write thescreenplay?

SPEAKER_02 (23:38):
That's that's not my problem.
That I don't know.
That I don't know how to write ascreenplay.

SPEAKER_01 (23:44):
This is this is as Pam talks about like how we work
together, that's exactly how itworks.
And she's like this is how itworks.
And I'm like, who's gonna putthe screenplay together?

SPEAKER_02 (23:52):
That's I just have the little idea, and then
Natalie's like, wait a minute,we gotta think about X, Y, Z and
execution.
I'm like let's execute it.
I don't want to think aboutthat.

SPEAKER_01 (24:03):
Awesome.
That would be awesome,absolutely.
Who would okay?
So who would you have as your asyour character?

SPEAKER_02 (24:08):
I don't know.
As a young child, I don't know.
I don't I I don't even havecable TV anymore, so I don't
even know what who the youngactresses are anymore.
So is that a thing?

SPEAKER_01 (24:18):
I don't I'm sure it is.
I'm sure there are young peoplethat are oh I'm sure there are
in the world acting.
I have no idea.

SPEAKER_02 (24:24):
Well, we just have to do a what what do they do?
They do a screen call wherethey're casting a casting call.
Thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (24:29):
Yeah, we'll do a casting for it.
That is awesome.
That's awesome.
But they're the the character isnot gonna have a Boston accent,
like it's just like a regionaldialect type of casting.

SPEAKER_02 (24:40):
No, no Boston accent.
Because I was too young at thatpoint.

SPEAKER_01 (24:43):
I know, yes.

SPEAKER_02 (24:43):
So yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (24:44):
No, that's awesome.
Well, I think one thing that isum uh common between this book
and the next book, yeah, whichis coming out before the end of
the year.
There's the deadline in reallife.
IRL.
Uh yeah, so the next book isthat it is written in a very
similar format, with it beinglike a fable style story that

(25:05):
is, you know, a character thatis going through life changes um
and exploration and discovery,uh, and how it impacts not only
the main character but thepeople around them as well.
So uh I'm not gonna give toomuch away on that because we
would love for you to go out andpurchase the quiet gift.

SPEAKER_02 (25:24):
Purchase the quiet gift.
Um look for the journal.
That's probably gonna be a 2026thing.
Um once Natalie's book isreleased, I'm gonna start
writing the second chapter of mylife, which will be probably
from my marriage to I don't knowwhen.
Um, so yeah, I think that's tome, there's probably like two or

(25:45):
three more books in my until mylife.
The next one I think is gonna bea challenging one for me because
I I you have to be so carefulwhen you're writing because it's
always from our perspective, thethings that we went through in
our lives.
And I don't want to hurt anyone.
So I I've got to write it insuch a way that it's I've got
the onus on this next part of mylife.

(26:07):
And so to be continued, that's anext year.

SPEAKER_01 (26:11):
Next season until we'll see what comes out.
So that means I mean, you all wehave you at least two more books
for you to to pick up.
So we've got three that are inthe works here.
Pam has already startedbrainstorming and putting the
storyboard together for bookthree.
Um book two has just gonethrough the second round of
edits, and so we'll do finaledits on that and then um have

(26:32):
the formatting and everythingdone before going through this
process again of selecting thecover and um what the spine is
going to look like.
But now that we, as Pammentioned, it's part of a um
series, uh there that createsthat's the anchor, right?
It gives us that continuity,that that consistency that we
can start and continue to see umthrough each of the books.

(26:53):
But it's we're excited about it.
We're excited about the thelaunch of the book.
We'll make sure that we add alink in the show notes that will
let you direct you to uh Amazonso that you can purchase the
book.
And it's on ebook.
Oh, and it will be on Audible.

SPEAKER_02 (27:09):
Yes.
I oh that's oh yeah, that's mybig project.
I gotta read this book.
Oh, I forget about that detail.
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (27:17):
Yes, and it will be on Audible.
I know.
When one pan told me that on ourlast team call, she was like,
Oh, I'm gonna go ahead and justI'll just record it.
I'm just gonna give it a go.
If you know, y'all, if there ifthere's one common thing that is
consistent when working withboth of us, it is we're just
gonna give it a whirl.
Let's see what happens.
Let's see how you know what?

SPEAKER_02 (27:36):
What's the worst thing that can happen?
What's the worst thing?

SPEAKER_01 (27:38):
So she just said, you know what, I'm gonna get on,
I'm gonna start recording.
Uh, it'll be interesting.
And I was like, have you everrecorded for that amount of time
before?

SPEAKER_02 (27:47):
I'm gonna do each, I'm gonna do probably a chapter
at a time.

unknown (27:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (27:51):
And uh, and you know, with dyslexia, I I'm not a
fast reader.
So good good news is is you canspeed me up.

SPEAKER_01 (27:59):
I feel that the editor can speed you up.
That's fine.
And I've never read a book atone time.
I've you know, in Audible, youcan increase the speed.
So I'm a one-eight, one pointeight every book.
I don't care.

SPEAKER_02 (28:09):
I'm like 1.5.
Um, I go to 1.2 if it's gotheavy content.
And I'm like, wait, wait, whatdid they just say?
And then I'll I'll go back.
But um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (28:19):
Well, and I think that's probably I'm a one-eight,
but I read I follow along in thebook and I uh listen to the
audible.
You know what?
And I'm gonna blame that onpublic education because we had
to do so much of that inelementary school.
It's like everyone open yourbook, one person was selected to
read, everyone else followedalong, or the teacher read and

(28:40):
we all followed along.
That's natural for me.
I'm like, I'll follow along.
I don't need to do it.
And so I'm a 1-8.
Listen.
Anyway, Pam's recording theaudio.

SPEAKER_02 (28:49):
Well, when she says I'm recording it, I will start
recording it.

SPEAKER_01 (28:52):
She's she's gonna.
This is this is accountabilityand spinest live and it's
accountability, and I will doit.

SPEAKER_02 (28:57):
And it's just because I had several friends
that said, Oh, are you gonnahave it on Audible?
I'm like, Well, I guess I will.
Yeah, well, there's that.

SPEAKER_01 (29:05):
I'm gonna go ahead and let you know book two is
probably not gonna be onAudible.
There you go.
And if it is, it will not be myvoice.

SPEAKER_02 (29:13):
So that's I know.
I was thinking, I was like,gosh, if I could get somebody
with a fantastic like Britishaccent or something, I don't
know.

SPEAKER_01 (29:21):
It wouldn't feel right, it wouldn't feel right.

SPEAKER_02 (29:23):
No, gosh, it's so much nicer to listen to, right?

SPEAKER_01 (29:26):
Maybe you could get a British actor to do the voice
for Sam.

SPEAKER_02 (29:33):
Oh, how would we do that?

SPEAKER_01 (29:36):
Brainstorming, right?

SPEAKER_02 (29:37):
Or maybe I'll just I'll just add a British accent.
That's a I am not encouragingthat.
I'm not gonna encourage that.
I'm just gonna use it.
If you could just do one chapteras a teaser for all of us to
hear, I think we'd enjoy it.
Oh my gosh, no, that would justbe no, I'm not doing that.
That would be a hot audio.

SPEAKER_01 (29:58):
Good audio.
I I mean, here's the thing.
I like would probably equate,and not that I'm not I'm saying
that I wouldn't do this.
It's kind of the similar samething as like reading for the
audiobook is the same as likesinging the national anthem in a
in a jam-packed stadium.
Like same, same.
I don't care what you say.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (30:15):
Totally.
Totally the same thing.
I'm just gonna be thinking aboutthat.
I'm like, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 (30:20):
Oh, I'm sorry.
I didn't, but I think you can doit and you'll do it well.
It's gonna be great.
It's gonna be lovely.

SPEAKER_02 (30:24):
Okay.
I love how this is this isNatalie.
This is how she works.
When I got something going on,I'll call her and she always
puts a pauses but and she goes,Oh my gosh, it's gonna be
totally fine.
You got this, it's gonna begreat.

SPEAKER_01 (30:33):
It's it's gonna and isn't it always?
It's always fine.
It is.
It's always fine.

SPEAKER_02 (30:37):
It's always fine.
It always are.
It's what you focus on expands.
It is always just fine.

SPEAKER_01 (30:42):
We could sit here and think about the things that
we don't know how to do or thatwe are not trained in, or that
we don't have the skill set on.

SPEAKER_02 (30:50):
Or we can just figure it out.
Why would we do that when wejust are like, well, then let's
just do it.
We don't know how to do apodcast, let's just do it.

SPEAKER_01 (30:56):
You just embrace the idea that you know how to get it
done or you'll know how tofigure it out.
I mean, that's a thing.
We're smart people, we'll figureit out.

SPEAKER_02 (31:03):
We can figure it out.

SPEAKER_01 (31:05):
And then we improve on it and then make it better.
We improve better.

SPEAKER_02 (31:10):
Better.

SPEAKER_01 (31:11):
Even better, er.
We make it even better afterthat.

SPEAKER_02 (31:14):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (31:15):
Oh my gosh.
Well, we are excited.
We just wanted to come on andjust share with all of you the
book is out.
The Quiet Gift, it is part ofthe Red Journal series.
Um, you can find it on Amazon,uh, ebook, paperback.
We are working on hardback orhardcover as well.
So once that's up and available,it'll be available up and
running, it'll be available onAmazon as well.

SPEAKER_02 (31:35):
And I think it would be a great uh holiday gift.
Uh stocking stuffers, stockingstuffer would be perfect for
your family members.

SPEAKER_01 (31:44):
Exactly.
It would be a great stockingstuffer for moms because I know
that many moms on whatever dayyou open a stocking typically
don't have it stuffed.
So stuff mom stocking.

SPEAKER_02 (31:57):
Yes, or maybe you don't even have a stocking.

SPEAKER_01 (32:00):
Exactly there's that.

SPEAKER_02 (32:02):
There's that too.

SPEAKER_01 (32:03):
You know what?
That is a different book and adifferent podcast.

SPEAKER_02 (32:06):
That's a totally different podcast.

SPEAKER_01 (32:08):
So you know, I I feel like we need to go there.
Not today.
We won't go there the no, wewon't go there today.
There is like this trauma,motherhood trauma.
I love motherhood, it is thebest thing ever.
But there are some things thatmoms go through that we just
like grit our grin, what is it?
Grin your teeth.

SPEAKER_02 (32:25):
Grin and Barrett.

SPEAKER_01 (32:26):
You grin and barrett, right?
Like you just you're just like,okay, got it.
What that's fine.
No stocking this year.
Okay, oh no stocking next yeareither.
Got oh, no stocking ever.
Okay, great.

unknown (32:35):
Okay, that's fine.

SPEAKER_01 (32:36):
Happy holidays, everyone.
Yeah, yeah.
Happy holidays.
Yay! Grin and Barret.
That's it.
Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 (32:44):
Oh, that's a whole different yeah, we're not even
gonna go down that rabbit.
It's a different episode.
So we would be this would be agood book for it because you
know it's all about beingunseen.
And sometimes, moms, we don'tfeel very seen or appreciated.

SPEAKER_01 (32:59):
I think so.
I think this book speaks tothat.
So yes, buy it.
It's a great stocking stuffer orwhatever you stuff.
Whatever you stuff.
Just whatever you stuff.
Just use it.
Um, all right.
We will we will drop the uh linkin the show notes.
We're just this is this is justus on a Friday.
Um, I don't know if it'sdelusional or giddy or what have

(33:22):
you, but it has been a pleasure.
Um, Pam, congrats on gettingyour story out there.
Thank you for being votable.
Thank you for sharing yourstory.
Um, yeah, I'm looking forward toto people giving us feedback and
letting us know.

SPEAKER_02 (33:34):
Yeah, and I can't wait for yours to to come next.
And yeah, it's uh it's I neverimagined this when we started
this podcast that we would besitting here talking about our
first book that launched.

SPEAKER_01 (33:45):
So no, and you know what?
Had you asked me or had you saidas we launched this podcast that
part of that was going to berolling out a book series or
books about our personal lives,I would have been an absolute
not because I'd already gonethrough that journey of like
writing a personal story andhaving it critiqued and edited,
and you know, that it's likeit's pepper spray to the to the

(34:07):
manuscript itself.
I still have it.
And let me just be completelyhonest, it was not great, and
I'm glad that they didn't allowme to send that to mine.
Um, but nonetheless, I had justgone through that.
And so had you said three yearsago, you know what?
Here's a thing.
Why don't we um why don't wewrite some books as well, some
books?
Yeah, books plural.
I'm out, I'm out.

SPEAKER_02 (34:28):
No, we're good.
No, let's not even do thepodcast.
Forget it.
I'm out exactly.
Well, I don't think either of usimagined it.

SPEAKER_01 (34:37):
No, I just don't think we even have it.
But I'm grateful for it.
Yeah, I'm grateful for it.
This podcast has um turned intonot only do we have the podcast,
we have the Think Letter.
If you haven't subscribed to TheThink Letter, we now have the
book, we have the journal that'scoming out, a second book that's
coming out.
Um, this is something that I thework that we're doing here that
we're hoping that it continuesto ripple throughout the
communities across the world,the global, right?

(34:58):
Because we have um a lot oflisteners that are in other
countries as well.
And so um that's uh that'sthat's our hope is that it
continues to do that.
So I'm grateful not just for thepodcast, but for also going
through the book writingexperience yet again and putting
myself out there, it'll be fine.
It's gonna be fine, it'll befine.

SPEAKER_02 (35:16):
It's gonna be fine.
It's gonna be just fine.
Exactly.
Keep telling ourselves that.

SPEAKER_01 (35:22):
Continue to repeat that.
It will be fine, you all.
It will be fine.
All right.
Well, until next time.
Um, and if you have not uhchecked us out on YouTube, you
can see video footage of ourrecording sessions, uh, our pod
sessions on YouTube, um, or findus on any of your favorite
streaming uh podcast platforms.
And for the book, it's onAmazon, and uh we will drop it

(35:46):
in the show notes.
And if you have not subscribedto the Think Letter, I think you
get those updates while thesepodcasts are playing.
Uh, make sure that you subscribeto our weekly Think Letter that
dives deeper into the thingsthat we talk about and gives you
some applicable tips that youcan apply to your business on a
weekly basis.
So why not?
Win-win.

SPEAKER_00 (36:02):
Win win.
I love it.

SPEAKER_01 (36:04):
Exactly.
We'll see you soon.
Bye.

SPEAKER_00 (36:07):
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Resilience podcast.
We hope you had some aha momentsand learned a few new real life
ideas to fuel the flames ofpassion.
Please subscribe on yourfavorite streaming platform,
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