October 2, 2025 • 32 mins
Natalie and Pam continue with Berin Wachsmann on mindset, nature, and fly fishing to build resiliency, mental health, and practical wellness habits.
Episode Summary:
Natalie Davis and Pamela Cass sit down with Berin Wachsmann for part two. Berin shows how presence, intention, and time in nature quiet the inner critic and strengthen resiliency. The discussion covers mental health, service, frequency, and why journey over outcome changes everything.
What You’ll Learn:
• How mindset shapes results on and off the water
• Ways nature and fly fishing support mental health and resiliency
• How to quiet the inner critic and “change the dial”
• Why intention, patience, and service improve daily life
Key Takeaways:
• You are not your thoughts. Observe, then choose.
• Presence beats doomscrolling.
• Intention and joyful energy shift outcomes.
• The journey matters more than the count.
• Community and service accelerate healing.
Notable Quotes:
“Your biggest hater lives inside of you.” – Berin Wachsmann
“You’re not your thoughts. You’re the observer of your thoughts.” – Berin Wachsmann
“Let your light shine.” – Berin Wachsmann
Practical Steps for Listeners:
Do two minutes of mirror work. Say I love you. Breathe.
Schedule a weekly nature block. No phone. Walk or sit by water.
Set a simple intention before hard tasks. Name the outcome, then act.
Track basics for 7 days. Sleep, steps, mood, and screen time.
Replace one doomscroll session with breath work or journaling.
Guest Links:
Fly Fishing Saves Lives, inquire: berinjacob@flyfishingsaveslives.com
Instagram: @berinjacob
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Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for general informational purposes only and is not intended as a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. The co-hosts of this podcast are not medical professionals. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have heard on this podcast. Reliance on any information provided by the podcast hosts or guests is solely at your own risk.
Pamela Cass is a licensed broker with Kentwood Real Estate
Natalie Davis is a licensed broker with Keller Williams Realty Downtown, LLC
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
All of us reach a point in time where we are
depleted and need to somehowfind a way to reignite the fire
within.
But how do we spark that flame?
Welcome to Reignite Resilience,where we will venture into the
heart of the human spirit.
Resilience where we willventure into the heart of the
(00:27):
human spirit.
We'll discuss the art ofreigniting our passion and
strategies to stoke ourenthusiasm.
And now here are your hosts,natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I think I need to talk about the fish that I
caught, because it goes into.
I think I saw a picture of it.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I think I saw a picture of it and it actually
came up with a very accomplishedfisherman, an attorney, the
other day, and he's talkingabout permit and this gentleman
has homes all over the worldthat's been chasing permit,
which is a very Permit, that's afish Permit to catch.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Okay, has that ever been on my radar in life?
Never.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
That's a fish Permit.
Has that ever been on my radarin life?
Never.
A lot of fly fisher people fishtheir whole life.
Years, pam, years Hoping, spendtens of thousands of dollars,
travel the world trying to catcha permit Okay, and this young
lady, like first time out, waslike I don't see why it's so
hard, I don't want to talk aboutit, I want to talk about
another one.
(01:26):
I don not one, not another one,I don't.
Yeah.
And you know what that goesback to, though like my first
trip, tarpon fishing same thing.
It's all mindset, right.
I went out first day, first tripever, first two tarpon.
I saw they both took the fly.
I landed both of them.
This is typically unheard ofover 100 pound tarp people.
Again, people will fish theirwhole life to catch one or jump
one.
My buddy, who'd been doing itfor 10 years and owned a house
(01:47):
down there, was so upset.
Another realtor here in townand this local guy goes this is
your first trip ever.
Yeah, first day.
Yeah, first two tarpon.
You saw you hooked him in.
I said yeah.
He said your luck is done forfive years, oh, five years.
And at that time no one had toldme it was supposed to be hard?
I didn't know.
I grew up in Colorado.
This is a sea, this is fishingin the ocean.
(02:08):
I was like, is it supposed tobe hard?
Because I just, it was liketrout fishing to me.
I saw the fish and they tookthe fly.
I landed the fish.
It was nine years and many,many trips and thousands of
shots.
They call it where you get achance to catch one, before I
ever caught another tarpon, buthe got in my head, dr Evil,
porkchop the fly fishing guide,right yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Planted that seed and said you're done.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Planted a little bit of a seed, which again, lovely
podcast you ladies had the otherday I hope to bring this
message of positivity.
But that inner critic, thatinner voice that we all have, I
tell people, you know, yourbiggest hater lives inside of
you, the one you listen to,maybe not your biggest, but the
one that tends to get to you themost.
And you have a choice right,those thoughts, you don't have
(02:53):
to accept those.
All this that comes from theether, all this infinite
intelligence.
Okay, you're not your thoughts,you're the observer of your
thoughts and you get to decidethat one's not for me, that
one's not for me, that one's not.
When you're out there in nature, you don't even have to be fly
fishing, just be out there andit's quiet and the phone's not
ringing, or, if it is, you don'thave it, or you're not
(03:13):
listening to it, or it's turnedoff and you're focused on the
moment and that inner critictends to go away.
Just, you get a reprieve and abreath of what that's like, and
that is what it's all about.
That can become addictive in agood way, in a good way, I think
.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I think that moment, that feeling that you talk about
, is what sparked the FlyFishing Saves Lives.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It certainly was.
That movement started withmyself and some other friends
that had all gone through.
We were all married at thattime to our high school
sweetheart.
All of us had gotten divorcedwithin two weeks.
Five of us and some of us werespiraling down this bad path and
needed a way through that, andfly fishing helped provide that.
(03:55):
I don't want to make this aboutmen, but part of it is.
When you help heal themasculine energy and the trauma,
we can become better fathers,friends, brothers, better sons,
better husbands, better partners, better uncles, nephews, better
leaders, better followers,better humans who then can give
(04:15):
that value back to the world.
And that's part of that gettingpeople out there.
And they don't have to be men.
I take a lot of women.
They tend to resonate quickerand easier.
They have a lot more patience.
Usually the feminine energy isaccepting and the masculine want
to force things and it's you'rejust allowing.
You're going to do the best youcan do and put that fly on the
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water or into the ocean and youallow what's going to happen to
happen.
And it's a metaphor for theuniverse in life, because most
of the time, even if you don'tcatch anything, you're like it
was awesome, whereas if you go,start the new business and it
fails, you're like that suckedand I don't want to ever do that
again, I quit.
Or I went out and tried thisand I opened the podcast and
(05:00):
nobody listened for the first 20episodes, so I quit.
And the fly fishing thatgenerally doesn't happen.
You might go and then you go andyou're like I had this feeling.
The inner critic was silenced,I was in the moment and I was
able to accept where I was, whoI was, who I was with what I was
doing, right then and there.
(05:21):
And all the light that you needin the entire universe is
always in that present moment,this one we're having right now.
Everything, it's all unfoldingnow, right, and the universe,
when you're out there, itdoesn't know scarcity, it
doesn't know lack, it only knowsexpansion, it only knows more.
And when you immerse yourselfin that, it can really change
(05:42):
your life.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I love that and the group of you that came together
to create this concept.
Right, like that, fly fishingsaves lives and kind of going
through this big major lifestoneand season of life right,
that's always what we talk aboutis the season of life and those
that found or were able to leaninto fly fishing.
I'm assuming it lookeddifferent.
(06:03):
Right, it was just.
This is a sort of an outlet anda way that I can just I have a
hobby, I can fill my time withit, and then I'm assuming that
others went the direction ofthat you've gone in terms of
seeing the bigger picture.
Like, here's really the impact.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yes, and maybe and I might even be way out on this uh
, I'm going to call it theleading edge, but a lot of that
sport is associated with let'sgo fish and eat some fried
chicken and have a beer and dothe thing.
And a rich, older, let's faceit white male who has the means
and all that, and that is notwhat that movement is about, or
(06:37):
I'm about.
I have the privilege to go, butyou don't need a lot of money.
You can get started practicallyfor free.
You don't need to drink beer ifyou don't want a lot of money.
You can get started practicallyfor free.
You don't need to drink beer ifyou don't want to.
I think I've had four beers allyear, I'd say, on the river by
a campfire, but I really I don'tdrink, I don't eat fried
chicken, I haven't even eatenmeat for months.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Not to say that you don't enjoy it.
You just don't eat it.
I'm not saying I don't enjoy itor there's anything wrong with
it or any of that.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
No judgment in that.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But for me at this point it's truly about the fly
fishing saves lives and thelifestyle of.
I want to be out there, like mycousin who's 89 and was out on
the water and I left and he'sstill out there fishing in the
wind doing his thing and,frankly, has led a pretty
healthy lifestyle that allowshim to be out there and do that
(07:27):
and again, it's a beautifulthing.
So, yeah, and I really think itcan not think.
I know, I know there'sdifferent ways it can contribute
to people's mental health, tohealing their trauma, to healing
their PTSD, their anxiety,their depression, especially, I
believe, if they have a mentoror a guide who's both going to
(07:47):
guide them in the fly fishingand maybe guide them a little
bit in life.
You know, and the positiveaspect of, hey, this isn't
you've been in your life so far,but you can choose differently.
Your consciousness is the onlyreality.
You can mentally choose a newconsciousness and your outer
reality will change to reflectthat.
It's all a mirror.
I'm you, you're me, we're alldifferent aspects of each other,
(08:09):
and trying to impress that uponthe youth as part of, or even
people, my age or older,different backgrounds, is part
of my mission.
That, hey, if you believe inscarcity, if you speak over
yourself, this lack, or I havethis or I have that, or I am
this or I am that, then yourassumptions and your beliefs,
(08:31):
that's what you will be.
But if you can learn tointegrate and speak differently
and talk differently to yourselfand I can give you even just a
little bit of light and hope inthat arena by getting you out on
the water so that that canspark some change, then that's
my new mission in life.
Current mission ironically, theceo and I'm going to put this
(08:53):
out there because I know he'sgoing to listen, he might be a
good guest for your podcast theceo of project healing waters,
john st linkford.
Uh, 23 year marine.
Hasn't been on the water fortwo years, he told me yesterday
years.
He's busy promoting this galaand this, this my new mission in
life, is before the end of thismonth, I'm getting that man on
the water as you should.
(09:14):
He has saved countless lives,both in combat and project
healing waters.
And yeah, as you two ladiessaid on the podcast, you can't
see the forest for the trees.
Sometimes he's in the forestdeep.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And what I love about the work that they do is that
they have the veterans that comein and the process of tying
flies is like therapeutic forthem, right, like it's just a
matter of like quieting yourbrain, because I think a lot of
people don't realize that theoverstimulation is sometimes too
much for many of our veterans,and we have a lot of that and he
shared.
(09:48):
I had the opportunity to visittheir office as well, maybe a
year ago now, and they talkabout like bringing these
veterans in and them tying theflies and like just that.
Like that's it, like it's notthat they're out on the water,
it's just going through everystep of the process.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, which is truly about.
Again, back to the journey.
The journey and I love that youbrought that up, because
there's so much creativity.
There's people that tie fliesthat don't fish, and there's
people who fish that don't tieflies.
But the creativity of now.
I'm going to go out and I'mgoing to choose again.
I use this as a metaphor forthe universe.
(10:23):
I'm going to choose the again.
I use this as a metaphor forthe universe.
I'm going to choose the valuethat I'm going to bring to this
experience.
So I'm going to choose this flyand I'm going to present it in
this way and I'm okay with whathappens next, even if what
happens next isn't the fishtaking the fly, and if that
happens long enough, I'm goingto choose a different way or a
different fly, and I'm going topresent it in a different way,
(10:46):
and I'm going to think outsidethe box and I'm going to get
creative about how I do that.
And then, if you've ever watchedpeople fly cast which we used
to do free casting lessons onThursdays in the park I think
I'll start that again.
It's, there's an art to itagain and there's a meditation
aspect that happens in this.
Even in the preparation of.
(11:06):
I got to have these flies inthis box and this way and I got
to have this here and then I'mon the water and I don't want to
get wet and I don't want tofall, so I got to have this gear
and I got to have that thingand this tied on and this and
this, and then now we know yougot to have all of them.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
You have to have it all.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
One box that you don't have every, every time it
happened to me again always aguy's fault happened to me
earlier this year, my one bangline.
I'm like it's june, these typeof flies will not be on this
type of river ever, butdefinitely not in june.
And sure enough I left it athome.
It was the only one I left athome, the only box of flies.
And we get there and thesedrakes are coming off and I'm
(11:42):
you've got to be kidding me.
Of course I've got 10,000 flies, 10,000 flies, but not those.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And not the right one For our non-fishermen when we
talk about flies not we.
When you talk about flies, I'mnot talking about flies, two
things.
When you talk about flies, it'sactually like the natural
whatever is hatching, like theinsects and bugs that are
hatching off the water.
So it's like regional, it'sseasonal, it's like it's so
you've got.
Like when you talk about theflies that are tied, they're
(12:09):
tied to mimic exactly what'shatching off of the water at
that time.
So the fish are not dumb.
And so when you talk about,like the gift to the universe, I
do want to say, because I'vebeen able to witness this, like
when you talk about the giftthat you're putting out there,
the fly that you put out, andand see how the fish responds,
(12:31):
not only do they not take it,I've been witness to the fish
swimming up to it and bumping itwith their tail like get out of
here.
I don't want that right.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Like they give it the middle fin, and that's when you
hear the fly fisher person go.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Well, that's that fish right back at you, right
back at you joyful energy.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, and sometimes it's not to be clear, it's not
always a fly or an insect flyfishing.
Personally, I've also delvedinto what's called blue water
tuna.
You can catch any fish oh yeah,that's right yeah, I'm convinced
and I'm gonna continue to try,and so are my friends.
Any fish on the planet on a flyrod oh, grouper, I've caught
(13:13):
sailfish, marlin, tuna, mahi,grouper, snapper, all of those
fish that people use, think ofgear or bait I have caught fish
with all the teeth that compchopped down on you, that you,
yes of it.
There's vegetarian fish that areof the piranha family, called
machacas, in Argentina.
(13:34):
All of these fish I personallyhave caught on a fly rod, and so
sometimes the fly mimics, inthe case of machaca, a piece of
fruit and actually looks like apiece of fruit.
Sometimes it mimics a bait fishor a shrimp or a crab or
something.
For permit it's usually a crab.
It's not an actual, it's calleda fly but it looks like a crab.
(13:54):
So that again the creativitythat happens for the people who
are like I've got to.
Even the guys will show up withthis beautifully tied crab.
You pay $20 at the fly shop andthey're like let me tear this
leg off that leg.
They take out a Sharpie andcolor it and then they do the
thing and they're like now itwill work when you're like, okay
.
Or they look at your whole boxand they go that's great, here's
(14:15):
the fly you need to use.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
I'm glad you bought all of those Like dang it.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
My inexperienced self , I always like to pick the ones
that are sparkly.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Whatever one's going to sparkle the most, that's the
one you need to stick in thewater, just, and it works for
you.
Again, it's all about yourintention, yeah, your intention
behind the act, because many ofus myself included, I'm guilty
of getting caught up in thisreality and doing things
semi-consciously orunconsciously, and the intention
behind it fouls up what'ssupposed to happen.
If your intention is pure and Isay that from just the best
word I can think of but when youcome with an intention that
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comes from a good place, a placeof love, compassion, empathy,
kindness, courtesy, that willresonate with whatever it is
you're trying to do, or just tobring value or help in some way,
some form or fashion and theworld needs more of that and
patience, and that's certainlysomething, again, that, when
people are like fly fishing,saves lives.
How how does that happen?
(15:19):
If you think of some of thecore values, of what this sport
is about, which is immersion inthe moment, in nature, having
patience, being kind, beingcourteous, showing compassion, a
lot of fly fisher people returnthat fish to the water right,
it's catch and release, havinggood stewardship of the land and
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the resources.
Most people wouldn't look atthat and go well, that doesn't
make a good person.
That makes a shitty person.
These are characteristics thatI believe most people would say
make for a solid character of aperson that you would want to
identify with or be around orspend time with or become talk
(16:05):
about rookies that come in andare told oh, you won't sell a
house for six months, and theydon't sell a house for six
months.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
And then you have rookies that come in and have
never been told anything andjust start crushing it.
And so when you have thesepreconceived, or somebody plants
that seed of, oh you can't dothat, you're never going to
catch this on the first, you'renot going to catch one for
another five years.
Never happens.
And then you believe it andthen it actually happens.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah, you don't think you believe it, you just, and I
would encourage anyone.
This is hard to do.
No, I'm not going to say that.
This can be challenging forsome people to do.
For me it has been challenging.
This is again your podcastgives people, gives me, the
ability to be seen, to be heard,to show your light to the world
(16:51):
, which then allows other peopleto go.
Oh, I can show my light too.
It's safe.
And when someone speaks thatover me now I tend to say, if I
can, without hurting theirfeelings either internally or
externally, I don't receive that.
That's not my reality, as youguys had on your last podcast.
That's not my that.
That's not my reality, as youguys had on your last podcast.
That's not my stuff, that'syour stuff.
(17:13):
Words are.
It doesn't matter your religion, I don't care.
But if you look at certaintexts, in the beginning there
was the word, and the word wasGod, the words that we use, your
mind, your mood, your self-talk, your external talk, your
thought, that all shapes yourreality.
And so when people speak that,I would encourage people to have
the courage, even internally,to say I don't receive that.
(17:36):
That is not my truth.
And if you can say itexternally, even because that
resonates, that goes out intothe ether and that frequency
carries forth, as felt by theuniverse, my belief.
Yeah, there's some cool stuffthat will side note show that.
And it all goes back to pam, Ithink I know.
You know this now.
You know the frequency right.
(17:56):
Just because that radio stationisn't on your dial doesn't mean
it's not broadcasting.
So that's the same with yourconsciousness, the same with
your reality.
Is 97.3.
The minute you hit it, boom,it's there, you hear it.
Now you go to 97.5, you'rehearing that, but 97.3,.
The minute you hit it, boom,it's there, you hear it.
Now you go to 97.5, you'rehearing that, but 97.3 is still
playing right.
So when someone speaks thatover you, I encourage everyone
(18:17):
to take the time to say ifthat's not your truth, at least
internally say I don't receivethat.
I'm changing the dial.
Yeah, yeah, not today, bia.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Exactly, that's right .
Exactly Not today, as our priorguests have said, as your prior
guests actually do a mentalswat of it away.
Like you don't always have theopportunity to like, just say it
out loud but I'm just likethat's not mine.
That's not mine, that's not myburden.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
That's not my, you know, and it's all perfect,
right, it's all perfect.
The stuff that happened andI'll tell you so.
When I got my teeth knocked out, I I got jumped.
Eighth grade dance my newjunior high I was going to bolts
.
I love bolts.
We had moved.
If I got a, b, that was thedeal.
My mom was like I'm not drivingyou to school anymore for
anything but A's.
I had a joint project with agentleman.
(19:02):
I won't say his name JasonGarcia.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Jason, did you hear that?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
He messed up the project, I think because of him.
Anyway, got a C, ended up witha B.
So boom, I'm going to adifferent school.
That school was very differentthan where I came from.
Where I came from, everyonekind of got along In this school
.
They didn't like one type of.
There was five skateboarders.
They everybody had one thing incommon they hated the skaters.
Anyway, I ended up gettingjumped.
(19:30):
I got all these from thiscanine to this canine, knocked
out, these teeth, my nose broken.
That was the first time I gotbroken and I ended up in
handcuffs that night with myteeth hanging out waiting, had
to go to the orthodontist, getthem all shoved back in black
gum.
I didn't know till years laterand a lot of therapy and going
through life coaching, that thatexperience affected me to.
If you're big and bright andbold which when I came there I
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was like skateboarders at myschool are popular and everyone
gets along.
So we're going to change thenarrative.
People will come for you,people will attack you.
If you shine your light toobright, people will come for
that light and try and dim it,and they do.
They do some people, and so yougot to hide it.
But that's the narrative that Iwant to help change is don't
hide it.
Shine it even brighter and knowthat those experiences, as
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unpleasant as they may be, theywere perfect in your soul
contract before you came here.
This is my belief.
When you incarnate, you're likeI want to learn this, this,
this and this.
I need to evolve here and here.
And so you actually asked.
Now you had mentioned myupbringing.
I had some crazy stuff.
I was held at gunpoint in myparents' kitchen for hours by my
(20:37):
own stepfather, who was aconvicted criminal, abusive man
in and throughout the home, allkinds of stuff.
But it wasn't until later thatI realized my soul called that
in.
As terrible as that wasnarcissistic relationships this
that Some of us know.
The year I moved eight times Ilost my home.
It was the country song.
I lost my home, I lost my dog,I had a TIA, I had a mini stroke
(21:01):
at the office.
All this stuff happened.
My dad died, everything.
But my soul called all of thatin.
I actually asked for that.
It's all perfect.
It's not pleasant, it's perfect.
I asked for these challenges tocome my way so that I could
learn, and it's taken a lot forme to understand that we don't
have to learn through pain and Iguarantee a lot of people right
(21:28):
now think I'm crazy.
In fact I know they.
I've had so many friends in flyfishing say you're not gonna
make the money you made in realestate 25 years in real estate.
You want to be a fly fishingguy?
Why do you want to go frommaking money to broke living out
of a camper?
And I'm like it's not about themoney.
And most people don't go say,hey, everything's perfect,
everything's going so good.
You know what I'm gonna do.
I going to switch it up.
I'm going to follow my heart.
I'm going to follow my dreams.
I'm going to change it upBecause I only get one life.
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It's usually through pain.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I was going to say, except for us, Like we kind of
do that Pam and I do that.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Y'all do that.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
We're going to swap.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
We're going to change things up.
We're the, and pleasure tendsto keep you here and pain until
it gets bad enough.
But the truth is we all ask forthose things.
My belief that's just my beliefis that we made a contract with
our own soul because we areeternal, infinite beings in
these temporal bodies.
(22:22):
And when you realize that andremember that, you think okay,
well, I'm here to evolve.
I signed up for earth school andI wasn't learning about
self-worth until I was in thatrelationship with I don't like
the word narcissist because thatmakes you the victim and them
the narcissist.
I was in that relationship withthat person who acts in that
way because I'm not a victim.
(22:43):
I put myself in that position.
I asked for that so that Icould learn where I needed to
heal and what I needed to learnabout myself, which is another
reason for 5-H to say I lovegetting out there with different
people from different aspectsand different backgrounds,
because they're just a mirrorand if they trigger you, good,
good, because that means that'ssomething you need to look at
(23:04):
and heal and investigate Again.
I loved your last guess, thatwhole shame thing.
Brilliant, Absolutely brilliant.
Triggers trigger you becauseit's a mirror.
All of life is that mirror ofyour own inner consciousness.
It's just a reflection of yourbeliefs and or the things you
need to heal or consider lookingat or a lot of times too, it's
(23:27):
the value that you bring and thelight that you shine and the
beauty.
When people are like I know thetwo of you shine a lot of light
and a lot of beauty in theworld, and so you have a lot of
people around you that arebeautiful and light and mirror
that back to you.
Not everybody understands that,so good for you, Good for the
two of you, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
It's the frequency or the channel you choose to
listen to.
Right, you know, when we talkabout, we attract those
incidents, those things thathappen, the people that happen,
and it's because it's afrequency we're on at that
moment and when you're on thatsame frequency, you track those
type of people until you areable to change that channel.
And a lot of that is that innerwork, to say that that doesn't
(24:07):
serve me anymore.
I'm going to the next channeland this next channel and, as
you put, it.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
you can change that dial at any time, just like the
radio.
You can change internally,change your internal
consciousness, and your externalreality will eventually follow
and it's all through.
It's not all, but it'sfrequency and feeling.
You feel your way through lifeand that's hard for a lot of us.
We don't want to feel our waythrough life.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
We don't want to feel .
We want to push those down anddon't address them and just keep
plugging forward.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Right, and Natalie, you brought this up Like when
this movement kind of started.
For some it's a way to numb.
Fly fishing can be a way tojust like drinking or doing
drugs or whatever advice youhave, going to the gym, whatever
can be a way to distract andnumb yourself from actually
doing one of the hardest thingsin life, which is just sitting
with yourself quietly and sayingwho am I really?
(25:00):
And feeling your way throughthat and sitting with the
feeling it doesn't mean you gotto hang onto it forever, but you
need to process that, I thinkand feel it, identify it.
But most people don't want tosit with themselves very long.
When you get out there flyfishing, you have no choice.
A lot of times, especially solo, you're going to sit with
(25:21):
yourself and discover things.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Which I think is awesome.
I think that if you're able totake advantage of that
opportunity, I think that it'sdefinitely going to be
enlightening and it doesn't haveto be with fly fishing, but
that's the area that you focusedon.
But giving yourself thosemoments to be with yourself and
I know for me, that's somethingthat I've worked on and I've
started to really enjoy.
Previously, like I would avoidthings that would cause me to
(25:45):
spend time with myself because Ididn't want that.
I think that's why I wouldavoid, like doing long runs and
things of that nature.
I'm like I don't need to havethree hours with myself to just
be with myself.
I like me now and I'll takethree hours with myself.
I think it's enjoyable.
But, yeah, I love that.
The vehicle that you areproviding and the modality that
(26:06):
you're introducing through flyfishing saves lives is one that
I think a lot of people can havenew experiences with.
Look at it differently, butyou're basically coupling
together, like the life coachingskills that you've developed
and the fly fishing experiencethat you have, and bringing
those two worlds together tocreate a space for people to do
some growth, some reflection,maybe just to experience fly
(26:29):
fishing if that's worth it.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, and 25 years, let's not forget I think the two
of you can resonate with this25 years of real estate, yeah
which is basically a therapist.
I used to joke early in mycareer.
I said there's no crying inreal estate.
And then I would say, yes,there is, and it's usually the
agent.
It's usually the broker that'scrying Honestly.
(26:55):
Yes, there is, and it's usuallythe agent.
It's usually the broker that'strying Honestly when the deal
gets sideways or whateverhappens but there's people
skills that you develop alongthe year, because we deal with
change Exactly.
A lot of real estate happensthrough divorce death.
Kid goes to college, kid comesback from college.
This happens to them, job loss,job gain, move across the
country.
These are big things inpeople's lives and a big part of
our job is to not go on theemotional roller coaster with
them but to be there and holdspace for them while they go
(27:17):
through that and the biggest,usually financial purchase of
their life and or investment.
All at the same time I don'twant to diminish my 25 years.
That's a massive, massive roleand a massive opportunity again
to not only add value but toshine your light into their
world, even just a little bit,and be like hey, because most of
(27:39):
us most of us.
my name Barron means Barron lowGerman.
I'm the first generation bornin America, my family, most of
us just want a hug and somebodyto tell us it's going to be okay
.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, I love that.
Beautiful, I love that.
Oh my gosh.
Well, thank you for sharingyour story and your mission that
you are working on now.
Is there anything that wehaven't touched on that you want
to share with our listenersbefore we wrap up you?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
know what I would say and I'm paraphrasing.
I'll give credit where creditis due to Neville Goddard, who I
listen to quite a bit.
I think a lot of spiritualcommunity espouse what he taught
years ago.
But please, please, take thetime to give yourself the
self-love and compassion andgrace and gratitude for where
(28:26):
you are and what you're doing,and know that that inner critic,
that inner voice, that innernarcissist, that's not you, that
isn't you, and you can changethat frequency, you can change
that dial anytime you choose toand choose a new path and a new
reality.
And the brighter you shine yourlight with the world, even if
you think it's only a couplepeople.
(28:46):
You have no idea the rippleeffect that will happen when you
shine your light with the worldor how you can make someone's
day.
You know this.
I still do give books flowers.
The amount of people that Ihave had cry because they got
flowers for the first time in along time, first time ever you
change their life.
So let your light shine.
Let your light shine and startwith shining it on yourself
(29:09):
first and give yourself thatinner grace, gratitude and love
and hug that you need.
And if you can't do that, thenyou know what, reach out to me
and I'll help you with it.
Or reach out to a friend or aloved one.
You know.
Start with giving value back toothers.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Beautiful, perfect, perfect Online.
You are Baron Jacob onInstagram.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, pretty much.
My handle is Baron B-E-R-I-N.
Baron Jacob at Baron Jacob onInstagram, at Baron Jacob on
TikTok, at Baron Bloxman onYouTube now, but I'll change
that to Baron Jacob.
Baronjacob at gmailcom orBaronJacob at FlyF at
(29:49):
flyfishingsaveslivescom.
You can email me.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, absolutely we'll make sure that we put your
contact information in the shownotes.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
This has been wonderful, thank you, thank you
for sharing what an opportunitythis has been.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Thank you thank you absolutely.
Thank you for sharing yourstory with us.
Thank you for sharing yourstory with our listeners.
I know that I have quite a fewnuggets I had behind the scenes
to your stories and it's still anice reminder for all of us to,
as you talk about shining yourlight.
Sometimes we forget, right,because life happens and then we
get, as you started out theshow, pam, it's like everything
(30:26):
is happening around and then weforget about the priorities,
like ourselves and what we'resharing and actually putting
back out in the world, and sothank you for that gentle
reminder as well.
That was nice to have today Forour listeners.
You all know.
If you want to know what'shappening in the world of
Reignite Resilience, head onover to reigniteresiliencecom.
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(30:48):
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Resilience.
All of us reach a point in time where we are
depleted and need to somehowfind a way to reignite the fire
within.
But how do we spark that flame?
Welcome to Reignite Resilience,where we will venture into the
heart of the human spirit.
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And now here are your hosts,natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I think I need to talk about the fish that I
caught, because it goes into.
I think I saw a picture of it.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I think I saw a picture of it and it actually
came up with a very accomplishedfisherman, an attorney, the
other day, and he's talkingabout permit and this gentleman
has homes all over the worldthat's been chasing permit,
which is a very Permit, that's afish Permit to catch.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Okay, has that ever been on my radar in life?
Never.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
That's a fish Permit.
Has that ever been on my radarin life?
Never.
A lot of fly fisher people fishtheir whole life.
Years, pam, years Hoping, spendtens of thousands of dollars,
travel the world trying to catcha permit Okay, and this young
lady, like first time out, waslike I don't see why it's so
hard, I don't want to talk aboutit, I want to talk about
another one.
(01:26):
I don not one, not another one,I don't.
Yeah.
And you know what that goesback to, though like my first
trip, tarpon fishing same thing.
It's all mindset, right.
I went out first day, first tripever, first two tarpon.
I saw they both took the fly.
I landed both of them.
This is typically unheard ofover 100 pound tarp people.
Again, people will fish theirwhole life to catch one or jump
one.
My buddy, who'd been doing itfor 10 years and owned a house
(01:47):
down there, was so upset.
Another realtor here in townand this local guy goes this is
your first trip ever.
Yeah, first day.
Yeah, first two tarpon.
You saw you hooked him in.
I said yeah.
He said your luck is done forfive years, oh, five years.
And at that time no one had toldme it was supposed to be hard?
I didn't know.
I grew up in Colorado.
This is a sea, this is fishingin the ocean.
(02:08):
I was like, is it supposed tobe hard?
Because I just, it was liketrout fishing to me.
I saw the fish and they tookthe fly.
I landed the fish.
It was nine years and many,many trips and thousands of
shots.
They call it where you get achance to catch one, before I
ever caught another tarpon, buthe got in my head, dr Evil,
porkchop the fly fishing guide,right yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Planted that seed and said you're done.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Planted a little bit of a seed, which again, lovely
podcast you ladies had the otherday I hope to bring this
message of positivity.
But that inner critic, thatinner voice that we all have, I
tell people, you know, yourbiggest hater lives inside of
you, the one you listen to,maybe not your biggest, but the
one that tends to get to you themost.
And you have a choice right,those thoughts, you don't have
(02:53):
to accept those.
All this that comes from theether, all this infinite
intelligence.
Okay, you're not your thoughts,you're the observer of your
thoughts and you get to decidethat one's not for me, that
one's not for me, that one's not.
When you're out there in nature, you don't even have to be fly
fishing, just be out there andit's quiet and the phone's not
ringing, or, if it is, you don'thave it, or you're not
(03:13):
listening to it, or it's turnedoff and you're focused on the
moment and that inner critictends to go away.
Just, you get a reprieve and abreath of what that's like, and
that is what it's all about.
That can become addictive in agood way, in a good way, I think
.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I think that moment, that feeling that you talk about
, is what sparked the FlyFishing Saves Lives.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It certainly was.
That movement started withmyself and some other friends
that had all gone through.
We were all married at thattime to our high school
sweetheart.
All of us had gotten divorcedwithin two weeks.
Five of us and some of us werespiraling down this bad path and
needed a way through that, andfly fishing helped provide that.
(03:55):
I don't want to make this aboutmen, but part of it is.
When you help heal themasculine energy and the trauma,
we can become better fathers,friends, brothers, better sons,
better husbands, better partners, better uncles, nephews, better
leaders, better followers,better humans who then can give
(04:15):
that value back to the world.
And that's part of that gettingpeople out there.
And they don't have to be men.
I take a lot of women.
They tend to resonate quickerand easier.
They have a lot more patience.
Usually the feminine energy isaccepting and the masculine want
to force things and it's you'rejust allowing.
You're going to do the best youcan do and put that fly on the
(04:38):
water or into the ocean and youallow what's going to happen to
happen.
And it's a metaphor for theuniverse in life, because most
of the time, even if you don'tcatch anything, you're like it
was awesome, whereas if you go,start the new business and it
fails, you're like that suckedand I don't want to ever do that
again, I quit.
Or I went out and tried thisand I opened the podcast and
(05:00):
nobody listened for the first 20episodes, so I quit.
And the fly fishing thatgenerally doesn't happen.
You might go and then you go andyou're like I had this feeling.
The inner critic was silenced,I was in the moment and I was
able to accept where I was, whoI was, who I was with what I was
doing, right then and there.
(05:21):
And all the light that you needin the entire universe is
always in that present moment,this one we're having right now.
Everything, it's all unfoldingnow, right, and the universe,
when you're out there, itdoesn't know scarcity, it
doesn't know lack, it only knowsexpansion, it only knows more.
And when you immerse yourselfin that, it can really change
(05:42):
your life.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I love that and the group of you that came together
to create this concept.
Right, like that, fly fishingsaves lives and kind of going
through this big major lifestoneand season of life right,
that's always what we talk aboutis the season of life and those
that found or were able to leaninto fly fishing.
I'm assuming it lookeddifferent.
(06:03):
Right, it was just.
This is a sort of an outlet anda way that I can just I have a
hobby, I can fill my time withit, and then I'm assuming that
others went the direction ofthat you've gone in terms of
seeing the bigger picture.
Like, here's really the impact.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yes, and maybe and I might even be way out on this uh
, I'm going to call it theleading edge, but a lot of that
sport is associated with let'sgo fish and eat some fried
chicken and have a beer and dothe thing.
And a rich, older, let's faceit white male who has the means
and all that, and that is notwhat that movement is about, or
(06:37):
I'm about.
I have the privilege to go, butyou don't need a lot of money.
You can get started practicallyfor free.
You don't need to drink beer ifyou don't want a lot of money.
You can get started practicallyfor free.
You don't need to drink beer ifyou don't want to.
I think I've had four beers allyear, I'd say, on the river by
a campfire, but I really I don'tdrink, I don't eat fried
chicken, I haven't even eatenmeat for months.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Not to say that you don't enjoy it.
You just don't eat it.
I'm not saying I don't enjoy itor there's anything wrong with
it or any of that.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
No judgment in that.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But for me at this point it's truly about the fly
fishing saves lives and thelifestyle of.
I want to be out there, like mycousin who's 89 and was out on
the water and I left and he'sstill out there fishing in the
wind doing his thing and,frankly, has led a pretty
healthy lifestyle that allowshim to be out there and do that
(07:27):
and again, it's a beautifulthing.
So, yeah, and I really think itcan not think.
I know, I know there'sdifferent ways it can contribute
to people's mental health, tohealing their trauma, to healing
their PTSD, their anxiety,their depression, especially, I
believe, if they have a mentoror a guide who's both going to
(07:47):
guide them in the fly fishingand maybe guide them a little
bit in life.
You know, and the positiveaspect of, hey, this isn't
you've been in your life so far,but you can choose differently.
Your consciousness is the onlyreality.
You can mentally choose a newconsciousness and your outer
reality will change to reflectthat.
It's all a mirror.
I'm you, you're me, we're alldifferent aspects of each other,
(08:09):
and trying to impress that uponthe youth as part of, or even
people, my age or older,different backgrounds, is part
of my mission.
That, hey, if you believe inscarcity, if you speak over
yourself, this lack, or I havethis or I have that, or I am
this or I am that, then yourassumptions and your beliefs,
(08:31):
that's what you will be.
But if you can learn tointegrate and speak differently
and talk differently to yourselfand I can give you even just a
little bit of light and hope inthat arena by getting you out on
the water so that that canspark some change, then that's
my new mission in life.
Current mission ironically, theceo and I'm going to put this
(08:53):
out there because I know he'sgoing to listen, he might be a
good guest for your podcast theceo of project healing waters,
john st linkford.
Uh, 23 year marine.
Hasn't been on the water fortwo years, he told me yesterday
years.
He's busy promoting this galaand this, this my new mission in
life, is before the end of thismonth, I'm getting that man on
the water as you should.
(09:14):
He has saved countless lives,both in combat and project
healing waters.
And yeah, as you two ladiessaid on the podcast, you can't
see the forest for the trees.
Sometimes he's in the forestdeep.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And what I love about the work that they do is that
they have the veterans that comein and the process of tying
flies is like therapeutic forthem, right, like it's just a
matter of like quieting yourbrain, because I think a lot of
people don't realize that theoverstimulation is sometimes too
much for many of our veterans,and we have a lot of that and he
shared.
(09:48):
I had the opportunity to visittheir office as well, maybe a
year ago now, and they talkabout like bringing these
veterans in and them tying theflies and like just that.
Like that's it, like it's notthat they're out on the water,
it's just going through everystep of the process.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, which is truly about.
Again, back to the journey.
The journey and I love that youbrought that up, because
there's so much creativity.
There's people that tie fliesthat don't fish, and there's
people who fish that don't tieflies.
But the creativity of now.
I'm going to go out and I'mgoing to choose again.
I use this as a metaphor forthe universe.
(10:23):
I'm going to choose the again.
I use this as a metaphor forthe universe.
I'm going to choose the valuethat I'm going to bring to this
experience.
So I'm going to choose this flyand I'm going to present it in
this way and I'm okay with whathappens next, even if what
happens next isn't the fishtaking the fly, and if that
happens long enough, I'm goingto choose a different way or a
different fly, and I'm going topresent it in a different way,
(10:46):
and I'm going to think outsidethe box and I'm going to get
creative about how I do that.
And then, if you've ever watchedpeople fly cast which we used
to do free casting lessons onThursdays in the park I think
I'll start that again.
It's, there's an art to itagain and there's a meditation
aspect that happens in this.
Even in the preparation of.
(11:06):
I got to have these flies inthis box and this way and I got
to have this here and then I'mon the water and I don't want to
get wet and I don't want tofall, so I got to have this gear
and I got to have that thingand this tied on and this and
this, and then now we know yougot to have all of them.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
You have to have it all.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
One box that you don't have every, every time it
happened to me again always aguy's fault happened to me
earlier this year, my one bangline.
I'm like it's june, these typeof flies will not be on this
type of river ever, butdefinitely not in june.
And sure enough I left it athome.
It was the only one I left athome, the only box of flies.
And we get there and thesedrakes are coming off and I'm
(11:42):
you've got to be kidding me.
Of course I've got 10,000 flies, 10,000 flies, but not those.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And not the right one For our non-fishermen when we
talk about flies not we.
When you talk about flies, I'mnot talking about flies, two
things.
When you talk about flies, it'sactually like the natural
whatever is hatching, like theinsects and bugs that are
hatching off the water.
So it's like regional, it'sseasonal, it's like it's so
you've got.
Like when you talk about theflies that are tied, they're
(12:09):
tied to mimic exactly what'shatching off of the water at
that time.
So the fish are not dumb.
And so when you talk about,like the gift to the universe, I
do want to say, because I'vebeen able to witness this, like
when you talk about the giftthat you're putting out there,
the fly that you put out, andand see how the fish responds,
(12:31):
not only do they not take it,I've been witness to the fish
swimming up to it and bumping itwith their tail like get out of
here.
I don't want that right.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Like they give it the middle fin, and that's when you
hear the fly fisher person go.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Well, that's that fish right back at you, right
back at you joyful energy.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, and sometimes it's not to be clear, it's not
always a fly or an insect flyfishing.
Personally, I've also delvedinto what's called blue water
tuna.
You can catch any fish oh yeah,that's right yeah, I'm convinced
and I'm gonna continue to try,and so are my friends.
Any fish on the planet on a flyrod oh, grouper, I've caught
(13:13):
sailfish, marlin, tuna, mahi,grouper, snapper, all of those
fish that people use, think ofgear or bait I have caught fish
with all the teeth that compchopped down on you, that you,
yes of it.
There's vegetarian fish that areof the piranha family, called
machacas, in Argentina.
(13:34):
All of these fish I personallyhave caught on a fly rod, and so
sometimes the fly mimics, inthe case of machaca, a piece of
fruit and actually looks like apiece of fruit.
Sometimes it mimics a bait fishor a shrimp or a crab or
something.
For permit it's usually a crab.
It's not an actual, it's calleda fly but it looks like a crab.
(13:54):
So that again the creativitythat happens for the people who
are like I've got to.
Even the guys will show up withthis beautifully tied crab.
You pay $20 at the fly shop andthey're like let me tear this
leg off that leg.
They take out a Sharpie andcolor it and then they do the
thing and they're like now itwill work when you're like, okay
.
Or they look at your whole boxand they go that's great, here's
(14:15):
the fly you need to use.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
I'm glad you bought all of those Like dang it.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
My inexperienced self , I always like to pick the ones
that are sparkly.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Whatever one's going to sparkle the most, that's the
one you need to stick in thewater, just, and it works for
you.
Again, it's all about yourintention, yeah, your intention
behind the act, because many ofus myself included, I'm guilty
of getting caught up in thisreality and doing things
semi-consciously orunconsciously, and the intention
behind it fouls up what'ssupposed to happen.
If your intention is pure and Isay that from just the best
word I can think of but when youcome with an intention that
(14:57):
comes from a good place, a placeof love, compassion, empathy,
kindness, courtesy, that willresonate with whatever it is
you're trying to do, or just tobring value or help in some way,
some form or fashion and theworld needs more of that and
patience, and that's certainlysomething, again, that, when
people are like fly fishing,saves lives.
How how does that happen?
(15:19):
If you think of some of thecore values, of what this sport
is about, which is immersion inthe moment, in nature, having
patience, being kind, beingcourteous, showing compassion, a
lot of fly fisher people returnthat fish to the water right,
it's catch and release, havinggood stewardship of the land and
(15:40):
the resources.
Most people wouldn't look atthat and go well, that doesn't
make a good person.
That makes a shitty person.
These are characteristics thatI believe most people would say
make for a solid character of aperson that you would want to
identify with or be around orspend time with or become talk
(16:05):
about rookies that come in andare told oh, you won't sell a
house for six months, and theydon't sell a house for six
months.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
And then you have rookies that come in and have
never been told anything andjust start crushing it.
And so when you have thesepreconceived, or somebody plants
that seed of, oh you can't dothat, you're never going to
catch this on the first, you'renot going to catch one for
another five years.
Never happens.
And then you believe it andthen it actually happens.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah, you don't think you believe it, you just, and I
would encourage anyone.
This is hard to do.
No, I'm not going to say that.
This can be challenging forsome people to do.
For me it has been challenging.
This is again your podcastgives people, gives me, the
ability to be seen, to be heard,to show your light to the world
(16:51):
, which then allows other peopleto go.
Oh, I can show my light too.
It's safe.
And when someone speaks thatover me now I tend to say, if I
can, without hurting theirfeelings either internally or
externally, I don't receive that.
That's not my reality, as youguys had on your last podcast.
That's not my that.
That's not my reality, as youguys had on your last podcast.
That's not my stuff, that'syour stuff.
(17:13):
Words are.
It doesn't matter your religion, I don't care.
But if you look at certaintexts, in the beginning there
was the word, and the word wasGod, the words that we use, your
mind, your mood, your self-talk, your external talk, your
thought, that all shapes yourreality.
And so when people speak that,I would encourage people to have
the courage, even internally,to say I don't receive that.
(17:36):
That is not my truth.
And if you can say itexternally, even because that
resonates, that goes out intothe ether and that frequency
carries forth, as felt by theuniverse, my belief.
Yeah, there's some cool stuffthat will side note show that.
And it all goes back to pam, Ithink I know.
You know this now.
You know the frequency right.
(17:56):
Just because that radio stationisn't on your dial doesn't mean
it's not broadcasting.
So that's the same with yourconsciousness, the same with
your reality.
Is 97.3.
The minute you hit it, boom,it's there, you hear it.
Now you go to 97.5, you'rehearing that, but 97.3,.
The minute you hit it, boom,it's there, you hear it.
Now you go to 97.5, you'rehearing that, but 97.3 is still
playing right.
So when someone speaks thatover you, I encourage everyone
(18:17):
to take the time to say ifthat's not your truth, at least
internally say I don't receivethat.
I'm changing the dial.
Yeah, yeah, not today, bia.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Exactly, that's right .
Exactly Not today, as our priorguests have said, as your prior
guests actually do a mentalswat of it away.
Like you don't always have theopportunity to like, just say it
out loud but I'm just likethat's not mine.
That's not mine, that's not myburden.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
That's not my, you know, and it's all perfect,
right, it's all perfect.
The stuff that happened andI'll tell you so.
When I got my teeth knocked out, I I got jumped.
Eighth grade dance my newjunior high I was going to bolts
.
I love bolts.
We had moved.
If I got a, b, that was thedeal.
My mom was like I'm not drivingyou to school anymore for
anything but A's.
I had a joint project with agentleman.
(19:02):
I won't say his name JasonGarcia.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Jason, did you hear that?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
He messed up the project, I think because of him.
Anyway, got a C, ended up witha B.
So boom, I'm going to adifferent school.
That school was very differentthan where I came from.
Where I came from, everyonekind of got along In this school
.
They didn't like one type of.
There was five skateboarders.
They everybody had one thing incommon they hated the skaters.
Anyway, I ended up gettingjumped.
(19:30):
I got all these from thiscanine to this canine, knocked
out, these teeth, my nose broken.
That was the first time I gotbroken and I ended up in
handcuffs that night with myteeth hanging out waiting, had
to go to the orthodontist, getthem all shoved back in black
gum.
I didn't know till years laterand a lot of therapy and going
through life coaching, that thatexperience affected me to.
If you're big and bright andbold which when I came there I
(19:55):
was like skateboarders at myschool are popular and everyone
gets along.
So we're going to change thenarrative.
People will come for you,people will attack you.
If you shine your light toobright, people will come for
that light and try and dim it,and they do.
They do some people, and so yougot to hide it.
But that's the narrative that Iwant to help change is don't
hide it.
Shine it even brighter and knowthat those experiences, as
(20:16):
unpleasant as they may be, theywere perfect in your soul
contract before you came here.
This is my belief.
When you incarnate, you're likeI want to learn this, this,
this and this.
I need to evolve here and here.
And so you actually asked.
Now you had mentioned myupbringing.
I had some crazy stuff.
I was held at gunpoint in myparents' kitchen for hours by my
(20:37):
own stepfather, who was aconvicted criminal, abusive man
in and throughout the home, allkinds of stuff.
But it wasn't until later thatI realized my soul called that
in.
As terrible as that wasnarcissistic relationships this
that Some of us know.
The year I moved eight times Ilost my home.
It was the country song.
I lost my home, I lost my dog,I had a TIA, I had a mini stroke
(21:01):
at the office.
All this stuff happened.
My dad died, everything.
But my soul called all of thatin.
I actually asked for that.
It's all perfect.
It's not pleasant, it's perfect.
I asked for these challenges tocome my way so that I could
learn, and it's taken a lot forme to understand that we don't
have to learn through pain and Iguarantee a lot of people right
(21:28):
now think I'm crazy.
In fact I know they.
I've had so many friends in flyfishing say you're not gonna
make the money you made in realestate 25 years in real estate.
You want to be a fly fishingguy?
Why do you want to go frommaking money to broke living out
of a camper?
And I'm like it's not about themoney.
And most people don't go say,hey, everything's perfect,
everything's going so good.
You know what I'm gonna do.
I going to switch it up.
I'm going to follow my heart.
I'm going to follow my dreams.
I'm going to change it upBecause I only get one life.
(21:50):
It's usually through pain.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I was going to say, except for us, Like we kind of
do that Pam and I do that.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Y'all do that.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
We're going to swap.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
We're going to change things up.
We're the, and pleasure tendsto keep you here and pain until
it gets bad enough.
But the truth is we all ask forthose things.
My belief that's just my beliefis that we made a contract with
our own soul because we areeternal, infinite beings in
these temporal bodies.
(22:22):
And when you realize that andremember that, you think okay,
well, I'm here to evolve.
I signed up for earth school andI wasn't learning about
self-worth until I was in thatrelationship with I don't like
the word narcissist because thatmakes you the victim and them
the narcissist.
I was in that relationship withthat person who acts in that
way because I'm not a victim.
(22:43):
I put myself in that position.
I asked for that so that Icould learn where I needed to
heal and what I needed to learnabout myself, which is another
reason for 5-H to say I lovegetting out there with different
people from different aspectsand different backgrounds,
because they're just a mirrorand if they trigger you, good,
good, because that means that'ssomething you need to look at
(23:04):
and heal and investigate Again.
I loved your last guess, thatwhole shame thing.
Brilliant, Absolutely brilliant.
Triggers trigger you becauseit's a mirror.
All of life is that mirror ofyour own inner consciousness.
It's just a reflection of yourbeliefs and or the things you
need to heal or consider lookingat or a lot of times too, it's
(23:27):
the value that you bring and thelight that you shine and the
beauty.
When people are like I know thetwo of you shine a lot of light
and a lot of beauty in theworld, and so you have a lot of
people around you that arebeautiful and light and mirror
that back to you.
Not everybody understands that,so good for you, Good for the
two of you, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
It's the frequency or the channel you choose to
listen to.
Right, you know, when we talkabout, we attract those
incidents, those things thathappen, the people that happen,
and it's because it's afrequency we're on at that
moment and when you're on thatsame frequency, you track those
type of people until you areable to change that channel.
And a lot of that is that innerwork, to say that that doesn't
(24:07):
serve me anymore.
I'm going to the next channeland this next channel and, as
you put, it.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
you can change that dial at any time, just like the
radio.
You can change internally,change your internal
consciousness, and your externalreality will eventually follow
and it's all through.
It's not all, but it'sfrequency and feeling.
You feel your way through lifeand that's hard for a lot of us.
We don't want to feel our waythrough life.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
We don't want to feel .
We want to push those down anddon't address them and just keep
plugging forward.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Right, and Natalie, you brought this up Like when
this movement kind of started.
For some it's a way to numb.
Fly fishing can be a way tojust like drinking or doing
drugs or whatever advice youhave, going to the gym, whatever
can be a way to distract andnumb yourself from actually
doing one of the hardest thingsin life, which is just sitting
with yourself quietly and sayingwho am I really?
(25:00):
And feeling your way throughthat and sitting with the
feeling it doesn't mean you gotto hang onto it forever, but you
need to process that, I thinkand feel it, identify it.
But most people don't want tosit with themselves very long.
When you get out there flyfishing, you have no choice.
A lot of times, especially solo, you're going to sit with
(25:21):
yourself and discover things.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Which I think is awesome.
I think that if you're able totake advantage of that
opportunity, I think that it'sdefinitely going to be
enlightening and it doesn't haveto be with fly fishing, but
that's the area that you focusedon.
But giving yourself thosemoments to be with yourself and
I know for me, that's somethingthat I've worked on and I've
started to really enjoy.
Previously, like I would avoidthings that would cause me to
(25:45):
spend time with myself because Ididn't want that.
I think that's why I wouldavoid, like doing long runs and
things of that nature.
I'm like I don't need to havethree hours with myself to just
be with myself.
I like me now and I'll takethree hours with myself.
I think it's enjoyable.
But, yeah, I love that.
The vehicle that you areproviding and the modality that
(26:06):
you're introducing through flyfishing saves lives is one that
I think a lot of people can havenew experiences with.
Look at it differently, butyou're basically coupling
together, like the life coachingskills that you've developed
and the fly fishing experiencethat you have, and bringing
those two worlds together tocreate a space for people to do
some growth, some reflection,maybe just to experience fly
(26:29):
fishing if that's worth it.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, and 25 years, let's not forget I think the two
of you can resonate with this25 years of real estate, yeah
which is basically a therapist.
I used to joke early in mycareer.
I said there's no crying inreal estate.
And then I would say, yes,there is, and it's usually the
agent.
It's usually the broker that'scrying Honestly.
(26:55):
Yes, there is, and it's usuallythe agent.
It's usually the broker that'strying Honestly when the deal
gets sideways or whateverhappens but there's people
skills that you develop alongthe year, because we deal with
change Exactly.
A lot of real estate happensthrough divorce death.
Kid goes to college, kid comesback from college.
This happens to them, job loss,job gain, move across the
country.
These are big things inpeople's lives and a big part of
our job is to not go on theemotional roller coaster with
them but to be there and holdspace for them while they go
(27:17):
through that and the biggest,usually financial purchase of
their life and or investment.
All at the same time I don'twant to diminish my 25 years.
That's a massive, massive roleand a massive opportunity again
to not only add value but toshine your light into their
world, even just a little bit,and be like hey, because most of
(27:39):
us most of us.
my name Barron means Barron lowGerman.
I'm the first generation bornin America, my family, most of
us just want a hug and somebodyto tell us it's going to be okay
.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, I love that.
Beautiful, I love that.
Oh my gosh.
Well, thank you for sharingyour story and your mission that
you are working on now.
Is there anything that wehaven't touched on that you want
to share with our listenersbefore we wrap up you?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
know what I would say and I'm paraphrasing.
I'll give credit where creditis due to Neville Goddard, who I
listen to quite a bit.
I think a lot of spiritualcommunity espouse what he taught
years ago.
But please, please, take thetime to give yourself the
self-love and compassion andgrace and gratitude for where
(28:26):
you are and what you're doing,and know that that inner critic,
that inner voice, that innernarcissist, that's not you, that
isn't you, and you can changethat frequency, you can change
that dial anytime you choose toand choose a new path and a new
reality.
And the brighter you shine yourlight with the world, even if
you think it's only a couplepeople.
(28:46):
You have no idea the rippleeffect that will happen when you
shine your light with the worldor how you can make someone's
day.
You know this.
I still do give books flowers.
The amount of people that Ihave had cry because they got
flowers for the first time in along time, first time ever you
change their life.
So let your light shine.
Let your light shine and startwith shining it on yourself
(29:09):
first and give yourself thatinner grace, gratitude and love
and hug that you need.
And if you can't do that, thenyou know what, reach out to me
and I'll help you with it.
Or reach out to a friend or aloved one.
You know.
Start with giving value back toothers.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Beautiful, perfect, perfect Online.
You are Baron Jacob onInstagram.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, pretty much.
My handle is Baron B-E-R-I-N.
Baron Jacob at Baron Jacob onInstagram, at Baron Jacob on
TikTok, at Baron Bloxman onYouTube now, but I'll change
that to Baron Jacob.
Baronjacob at gmailcom orBaronJacob at FlyF at
(29:49):
flyfishingsaveslivescom.
You can email me.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, absolutely we'll make sure that we put your
contact information in the shownotes.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
This has been wonderful, thank you, thank you
for sharing what an opportunitythis has been.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Thank you thank you absolutely.
Thank you for sharing yourstory with us.
Thank you for sharing yourstory with our listeners.
I know that I have quite a fewnuggets I had behind the scenes
to your stories and it's still anice reminder for all of us to,
as you talk about shining yourlight.
Sometimes we forget, right,because life happens and then we
get, as you started out theshow, pam, it's like everything
(30:26):
is happening around and then weforget about the priorities,
like ourselves and what we'resharing and actually putting
back out in the world, and sothank you for that gentle
reminder as well.
That was nice to have today Forour listeners.
You all know.
If you want to know what'shappening in the world of
Reignite Resilience, head onover to reigniteresiliencecom.
Oh, and I forgot to share Ifyou want to see the hand
(30:48):
movements and gestures and theactual video of these podcasts,
y'all can catch that on ourYouTube.
I never talk about it.
Barron brought that up.
The video of our podcast arealso there too.
So if you're a visual personand you want to see what we're
doing over here in our virtualstudio, head on over and find us
.
Reignite Resilience Podcast onYouTube.
Until next time, we'll seey'all soon.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
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Thank you for joining us todayon the reignite resilience
podcast.
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