June 2, 2025 • 24 mins
What if your greatest setbacks could become your most powerful catalysts for growth? G. Michael Hopf, a Marine Corps combat veteran turned USA Today bestselling author, shares the remarkable mental frameworks that helped him transform painful experiences into stepping stones toward extraordinary success.
After three military deployments, careers as a commercial diver and bodyguard, and now 40+ novels to his name (with over one million copies sold worldwide), Hopf reveals how he developed the ability to reframe adversity through intentional thinking. "When I've been faced with something very painful, I allow myself to feel it for a period of time," Hopf explains. "But then I ask: What can I learn from this? What can I garner from this to add value to my life?"
Hopf's powerful insights include a pivotal story from his bodyguard days when he and colleagues were suddenly fired. While his coworkers reacted with devastation or rage, Hopf maintained perspective—a moment that sparked his curiosity about how our thinking shapes our reality. This exploration eventually led him to meditation, which he credits as transformational: "If I could give anybody advice that's actionable, it's meditate. I will put money on it that it can change your life."
The conversation weaves through Hopf's journey into writing—starting with children's books based on bedtime stories for his daughters and evolving into bestselling post-apocalyptic fiction. His advice to writers? "Write the story that you want to read. Don't try to write for other people, because you lose an authentic voice in that."
"If you can't commit to yourself, you can't commit to anybody else."
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Welcome to Reignite Resilience,where we will venture into the
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(00:27):
human spirit.
We'll discuss the art ofreigniting our passion and
strategies to stoke ourenthusiasm.
And now here are your hosts,natalie Davis and Pamela Kass.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Welcome back to another episode of Reignite
Resilience.
I am your co-host, NatalieDavis, and I am joined with none
other than Pam Kass.
Pam, how are you today?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I am fantastic.
We were just talking aboutweekends away and the snow that
we get this time of year inColorado.
That we wish would maybe nothappen, but we're embracing it.
It's making everything greenand gorgeous down here, so
listen.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I think a good rule of thumb.
Anyone that doesn't live inColorado.
If you're curious, wheneveryou're listening to this episode
, it probably has snowed at somepoint in time this week.
So whatever month of the year,it does not matter.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
And the funny thing is is Natalie and I live here,
and yet we would rather be inwarm climates by the beach.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I am looking for somewhere tropical, an ocean
that doesn't have snow, I meanit's not a lot to ask?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
No, I don't think so at all.
So I'm done with the resilienceof living through the cold
weather.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Living through the elements, exactly.
It's so funny because you areprepared for it, right?
I mean, I go back and I look atpictures and there's like snow
in May, there's snow in June.
I've had a 4th of July where Iwas watching fireworks and it
started to snow in July.
It just happens.
But when it happens, I stillhave like this trigger response
of why is this happening?
(01:57):
What?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
is this?
Yeah, yeah, I'm right with you.
Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, so any time of year it's probably snowing, so
don't worry, this is just whathappens here in Colorado.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Anyways, we have a lovely guest joining us today
and I'm so excited to dive in.
Well, I'll just turn it over toyou, Pam, why don't you tell
our listeners who's joining ustoday?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I am so excited for this one.
So we have G Michael Hoff he.
He is a US Today bestsellingauthor, renowned for his
post-apocalyptics and Westernnovels.
He has penned over 40 books,including the internationally
acclaimed the New World series,which has sold more than 1
million copies worldwide andbeen translated into multiple
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languages.
A Marine Corps combat veteran,hoff's diverse background also
includes roles as a bodyguardand commercial diver are infused
into his writing.
He resides in San Diego.
Welcome, jeff, it is so greatto have you with us today and
excited to get to know yourstory a little bit, so I'm going
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to hand it over to you.
Tell the listeners a little bitmore about you and your story.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Well, first let me thank you, Pam, for having me,
and Natalie as well.
Thank you.
I was listening to you guystalk about the snow.
I don't have that problem herein San Diego.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
One of my most favorite parts of the country,
but that's okay.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
It's amazing down here, but you know, I had that
experience when I lived in Idaho.
Like I opened the curtains thiswas years ago, not that long
ago actually.
When was it 10, 15 years agoand it was June 11th and there
was like six inches of snow onthe ground.
I'm all, I have to go, I'm done.
That was after seven years ofliving in Idaho.
She goes I'm done.
I'm like, okay, I get it, I getit Okay we're out.
You can't argue.
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Idaho is beautiful, though, areyou?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Northern Colorado, northern Colorado, on the front
range, yep.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Okay, got it.
Yeah, so there's snow there atall.
It can snow there anytime ofthe year, then Anytime of the
year.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
And it's.
We could have a day where youwake up and it's 75, and then it
snows and then it's 80 in theafternoon.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
It's just like it doesn't know what it wants to do
.
And we just so about me, I grewup in a great family back east
on a farm and it wasn't aworking farm but I kind of
wanted to have a lot ofexperiences in my life.
So that's what prompted me tojoin the Marine Corps.
I had really good grades, I wassupposed to go to George Mason
University and I was like I justreally want to see the world
and I did that.
I joined infantry and I did sixyears and again I just wanted
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the experience of it all.
I felt like I wanted to be partof an expeditionary force and
travel the world and have theseincredible experiences, which I
did.
My time in the military was veryeventful.
I did three deployments and sawa lot of things, but overall I
will say my military experiencewas great.
Not that there weren't momentsof intensity and suffering and a
very uncomfortable experiencesometimes, but I've just trained
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myself to just reframe thingsand look at everything as
opportunities for growth.
And so I just said, looked atmy time in as just a really
great experience, specificallyfor a young person to go through
, and then it really framed myperspective.
I got to meet a lot ofincredible people and that's
what's beautiful about themilitary.
You get people from all walksof life doesn't matter black,
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white, doesn't matter, whereveryou get put in and then you have
one kind of common purposetogether that transcends you as
an individual, and I thinkthat's what's really neat.
We have our own unique reasonsfor joining, but then it gives
us a common purpose to strivefor and I like that.
And then so from there I got out, wanted to pursue more
adventure commercial diving fora couple of years, bodyguard for
over 10 years and then Idecided to stop using my body
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and become more cerebral anddecided to write.
And then my writing careerreally has been blessed.
I've been blessed with a lot ofsuccess and that's led me to
just not for my own individualwriting, to then going into
helping other writers achievetheir dreams, creating
publishing companies and soforth.
So today I'm sitting here 40novels in myself as an
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individual and then also havepenned and helped pen.
I'm looking on the board overhere 466 other books for other
people.
So I love to see people achievetheir dreams.
It's very important for me.
I've had a lot of help alongthe way so I can do that I do.
That's incredible.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So you said that you learned how to kind of reframe
adversity when you saw it.
So how did you do that?
I mean, it's just one dayyou're like, oh, I'm just going
to.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
No, it just doesn't happen and it takes the idea to
come in your head Like Like youknow, I can choose to well,
there's been interestingexperiences in my life that it
wasn't until like the light bulbI went off in my head is like a
man.
I don't think men grow up untillike late 20s, by the way.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I think that's scientifically proven.
That is scientifically proven,like 26.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Not that we're counting, I was 28.
I remember like I'm sitting ina bar in Kansas City.
I feel like someone walked,like creeped in and like turned
the light on.
I was like, oh my God, I can.
That's what that looks like.
I just was like able to likesee things from a different
perspective.
I don't know if the frontalcortex finally got formed, but
I've been able to like kind ofunderstand and see things a
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certain way.
But then I wouldn't just likework on it.
I think working on the mind islike it's like anything else
have to have practice at.
It's like working on the bodyand you have to exercise it,
just like you exercise yourspirit.
If you're say, you're spiritualor you're religious, you work
on the spirit by going to churchand prayer and things like that
, and then the body, going tothe gym, exercising, moving the
body.
And then there comes likeworking on the mind, and I do a
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lot of that through meditation.
But it's also very consciousawareness and intentional
thinking, not just allowing myemotional state to kind of drive
me in a direction, but justlike okay, is that really what I
want to do?
And so, because a traumaticevent can really I mean, clearly
causes emotional trauma andthen you get to do with it what
you want.
And so I was like okay, so Ihave goals in my life, and so
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whenever I've experiencedsomething that's very painful, I
just have chosen.
Again, it didn't happenovernight, it's just.
It's through conscious andintentional thinking and
practicing it, so that I have amindset that when something
happens, I pause and thenacknowledge my ownership of why
I might be there or why I mightbe experiencing it, and then
I've changed my thought thatthis is now an opportunity, an
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opportunity has been presentedto me and I get to do with that.
You know, it's kind of like adoor closes and people a lot of
time look at the closed door butdon't realize that when that
door closes, multiple doorsaround them have opened, and if
you only focus on the closeddoor you can't see anything else
.
And so when I've been facedwith something is very painful,
I kind of allow myself to feelit for a period of time, like,
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just like, feel that emotionalstate.
But then I know that I need, Ihave other responsibilities in
life, I can't live in thatemotional state and that I have
to achieve.
I have responsibilities to otherpeople I need.
You know I've got a family,I've got two beautiful girls, a
wonderful wife and that I needto like.
Okay, I need to snap out ofthat and so that I then reframe
it.
Okay, what can I learn fromthis?
What can I garner from this toadd value to my life?
And I know that's a long way ofsaying it, but it just takes
practice to start looking at theworld that way.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I reframe things.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I might overuse that word a lot in our conversation,
but I do.
If I don't like it, I try toreframe it in a certain way.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's like.
What can I glean from this thatI could add to value to my life
?
Did any of your training in theMarines and as a bodyguard?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
and even as a commercial diver, play a role in
that.
No, it was later on in lifethat I started really exploring
the mind, how it works.
There was a couple ofexperiences I had that I've
always found fascinating.
There was I remember one timewhen I was a bodyguard, I worked
for this family.
It was one of the jobs I had.
It was in very comprehensivedetail.
We had 37 agents working toprotect one family down in South
Florida and one day a bunch ofus got fired.
(09:31):
And I remember that this hasbeen a very poignant moment in
my life because it was like onesingular event.
A bunch of us got fired all atone time and it was instantly.
It wasn't like you got twoweeks, you got a month, you're
severed, it's gone, don't comeback.
And it was just a family thatdecided whatever they wanted
they go in a different directionwith their protection detail.
But I was living with a coupleof guys that were all on the
detail and his name is Scottcame out and he was crying, like
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, like crying, and we're likewhat is going on?
He's like we've been fired.
And then Kevin had the otherguy was Kevin was there, had
this very angry response andlike threw a beer bottle, was
acting all hyper about it and Iwas laughing and I remember like
thinking like wow, there's oneevent, three different, like
emotional responses to that.
I was like what causes that?
Like you can peel back theonions, like explore.
(10:14):
It's like why did Scott actlike that?
He was like really, reallyshaken and upset.
Scott was I mean, kevin wasacting angry about it and I was
like okay, because neither oneof those experiences were
helping these guys Like Kevinwent off the deep end and
started drinking a lot.
And then Scott was just likeI'm a victim of this and I just
sat back and like everythingwill be okay, it'll be fine and
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everything ended up being fine.
So I was like okay.
So how did my thinking?
Did my thinking shape myreality?
Did it allow me to see things?
That wasn't clouded by enragedemotion or sadness?
It was able to see the worldfor what it is.
So those are some things thatlater on I started really taking
a deep thought on andobservation, and it was.
I think I was in my late 30s.
(10:55):
I really started exploringteachers like Tony Robbins and
people adjacent to him andcertainly started to understand
the mind and how it works.
I know it's very powerful.
That's really got me down intounderstanding, reframing my
experiences.
And that's really got me downinto understanding, reframing my
experiences and really alsoreframing my past.
Instead of looking at my timein the Marine Corps and
complaining about things Iexperienced, I've now just
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reframed it as those werelearning opportunities and
everything like that.
I've just adopted that thoughtpattern.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, jeff, I'd love to go into that space.
First, thank you for yourservice and it sounds like
before enrolling that you were apretty good student.
You were heading off to college.
But the one thing that youmentioned is that you had this
desire to see the world andtravel and explore, and I mean
there's a variety of avenuesthat you could take to get there
and you've been able tosuccessfully do so.
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But, looking at that experience, what are a couple of things
that you feel have truly pouredinto you or molded you to get to
this place, where you had, youknow, this kind of this light
bulb moment at 30 plus right?
So now you're in your 30s andthe light bulb has gone off and
you realize that you have anopportunity to choose every time
.
Are there things that you seealong the way that have led you
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to this point, or are there justspecific things that have
really molded you into the humanthat you are today?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
It's the painful moments, you know, right, I know
Tony Robbins talks about thatLike that's a real motivator to
get us to change and shift whowe are.
I mean, we can kind of sufferor kind of tolerate things when
things are okay around us, right.
It's when we're hit rock bottom, so to speak, when the pain is
so much that it moves you toaction bottom, so to speak, when
the pain is so much that itmoves you to action.
(12:31):
It's a motivator, it is pain,and so there's been moments in
my life.
I think we all suffer.
It's not something that we alldo.
We are going to have thosemoments and there are going to
be other moments down the road,and it's in my moments of loss
and suffering.
One of the minutes of it.
It's horrible, we all know that, and so it's like, okay, how do
I make it less so if I can?
And then again, how do I learnfrom this?
How can I come from this betterthan where I started?
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How can I allow this thing toenter my life and not have it
cause me to go off the rails inmy life?
Because sometimes people do.
They kind of go what I call.
They go into the wilderness, soto speak, and some of the
people don't come out of thewilderness, they get stuck there
because I still have things Iwant to do.
Again, I have talked aboutresponsibilities, and so it's
those painful moments that I'veexamined.
It's like okay, how do I makethose less painful?
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Because it's hard to beproductive.
I think when you're suffering,don't do things, and so I've
used it to say, okay, so I'vegot things to do.
And it clouds us how we thinkno-transcript things less.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Have you come up with any tools that make it less
like make in those moments?
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Meditation for me has been I swear by meditation, I
swear by just finding time daily.
It's daily, it's like exercise,it's like breathing for me that
I exercise my mind, I exercisemy spirit.
That way as well, I justdisconnect from this world and
just am with myself andconnecting people called God,
whatever you know.
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I don't want to go down thatroad because that's not even
really important.
I don't think it's about justgetting out from all the noise
and then quieting the mind,because that's what meditation
teaches is how to quiet the mindand just be present in that
space.
It's a very precious space, thespace of now.
Very precious Because you closeyour eyes and everyone says I
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can't meditate.
It's hard, it is hard, but withpractice, like anything like
exercise, you just get better.
So if you do it daily, you getbetter and you get better and
you get better and then you canquiet your mind.
And it's in that quiet mind andI think, like inspiration comes
, the answers to things can cometo you that you've been
searching for, and those are thethings that, if I could give
anybody advice that's actionable, it's meditate, meditate, just,
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and even that could just be.
It can be guided meditations.
There's lots of people outthere that you can find stuff on
YouTube and whatnot, but evenjust like, go find a quiet, dark
place, sit there, sit, butyou'd be laid on your five-ball,
sleep and just close your eyesand just try to focus on breath.
The concept of focus on breathis that way, then, is your
thoughts, are kind of you'regoing to be bombarded by
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thoughts.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Your brain wants to focus on something and if it's
not your to-do list, or what youcould have said or done
differently, or what you need towear the next day, whatever
what you're- going to eat.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
All the stories, all the stories.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Always.
So this takes practice and Iwould say commit to yourself
that.
So this takes practice and Iwould say commit to yourself
that Commit to yourself.
If you can't commit to yourself, you can't commit to anybody
else.
That's true.
That's my thought.
If you don't love yourself andyou can't commit to yourself,
it's going to be very hard foryou to honestly do that for
anybody else.
And so it's commit.
I always say commit to yourselfthat Give yourself 30 days.
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I think anyone can do anythingfor 30 days and just meditate,
and I will put money on it thatit can change your life.
It really can, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
When you first started meditating did you find
it hard to kind of quiet yourmind?
Were there things that youtricks that you found that, okay
, if I could do this, it workedreally well.
Like you said, go to a darkroom, sit any other tools or
tricks to kind of quiet thatbrain?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
It's a focus on something.
And again, that's what peoplesay the focus on breath.
That's why a lot of people thatteach meditation say that and
just constantly understand youhave to capture your thoughts
and get rid of them and go backto breath.
And it's this cat and mousegame.
You're going to be playing fora while and just know that.
That's what it is.
And most people are like, oh, Ididn't accomplish anything from
that, or actually you did,because you were constantly
going back to breath, going backto breath, thinking about
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breath.
Stop that, go back and it'sjust.
It's about the committal, it'sabout the discipline of sitting
down and doing it on aconsistent basis.
It's like going to the firsttime you go to the gym.
You're not going to see anyresults.
You're not going to go there ifyou're trying to bodybuild.
It's not that first day, it'slike day 30, maybe it's day 45
or 60.
Look at any professionalathletes out there.
They're not great initially.
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It's that training and time andconsistency, it's that
compounding labor that givesthem that ability that they had.
They hone that ability evenbetter than they are.
And so, again, it's not going tohappen on the first day or
second day or third day.
It might happen after 30 days.
You really start, actually acouple of weeks.
You might start seeing somebenefits from it.
Then you keep leaning into itmore.
Maybe you start listening tosomeone who can guide you.
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That can help.
There are different kinds ofmeditations you can do, but
you'll start to be able tomodulate your emotional state as
well, because you can controlyour thoughts and you can put
yourself back into whateverstate you want to be in because
you're controlling how you thinkand then that brain, heart
coherence and you can controlyour emotional state so you
don't overreact to somethingnice I think that's great.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I've mentored folks that have had a hard time
embracing the practice ofmeditation and my advice to them
has been give it time andstarting with something that's
guided right.
Then you're not focusing onyour thoughts, but instead
you're focusing on the words forthe guidance that you're
receiving, and then you canscale that back and maybe you
just have, you know, a softsound that's in the background,
and then you can find your placeand find that, settle into that
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, the stillness and the quietyou know, and truly just being
with your thoughts, or lackthereof, like dismissing the
intrusive ones and being stilland in that moment, like the
power of now that you talk about.
But, jeff, I think the mostpowerful thing that you said
that we can just remind ourlisteners, like if you can't
commit to yourself, like whatcan you expect yourself to get?
Like you can't commit to others, right, if you can't make that
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hard commitment to yourself, youcan't really commit to the
other people around you or inyour life.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
That's universal truth.
There are certain things thatare universal truths.
That's a truth.
It's like you're lying toyourself.
You make a promise to yourselfto do something and you break
that.
The reason I think people havesuch guilt about things or they
might feel shame on themselves,is because they've done that
enough.
They don't like themselves,like I'm a liar, like I lie to
myself, I'm not willing to dothis, I can't commit to it, and
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somewhere in there they'veabused themselves enough, and
yeah.
So it's like the love thing too.
It's like it's impossible tolove another thing or another
person if you do not loveyourself.
Yeah, powerful, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I love that.
Well, would you kind of sharewith us your journey into
starting to write and what thatlooked like?
What was the inspiration?
And yeah, I mean 40 books.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yes, Like and going from I'm prolific.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I mean all the things you did marines and diving,
bodyguarding, and now author,bestselling author.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah, I'm prolific, that's for sure.
I've always been a big readerand I always was growing up just
love to read, consume books,consume books.
And it was the time after.
So the journey of novel writingactually started.
The very first book I ever didwas a children's illustrated
book, okay, and that I wroteunder Jeffrey Hopp.
That's why I have the G Michael.
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So if anyone's ever like, whyare you a javelin player?
I wrote a.
My very first book was achildren's illustrated book
about a dog called Doggyvilleand it was based on a story I
would tell my girls at night.
So I was like part of my jobwas like, as a parent is, I'd
love to go in, I love to readthe girls books.
I just loved it and I go and Iread it.
So I read to them and and thenthere wasn't enough books and
then I tell stories.
So this was a story I'd made upand I was just tell them about
this dog named Kiki and histravels.
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And then one night I came, Isay I asked my wife.
I was like what do you think ifI turn that into like a
children's book?
I can't be that hard.
I mean, ideas always seemeasier than you know you
practically putting them inexecuting stuff, and so she's
like, sure, have at it.
And then you know themanuscript wasn't very long, six
, eight hundred words, not verylong, uh, but then just the
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illustrations and I foundsomebody, so that's what started
that whole thing.
But that went.
That connects to the, thenovels, because that started as
an idea and then again, throughyou know, consistent discipline,
that ended up manifesting in mylife.
Here's a book idea, somethingreal, you know, and I was like,
okay, I did that, that's reallycool.
And I, how about if I did anovel?
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And then I set about to writingit?
I made it.
I was inspired by StephanieMeyer.
She's the author of theTwilight series, so the like,
the genre wasn't.
And what's funny is I neverread those books.
I've seen the movies.
But I loved her journey.
Her origin story of how shewrote the novels and created the
characters started as a luciddream and super busy mom, her
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whole life, lots of things goingon that she set about to doing
it at night and she was againvery disciplined and followed
just married discipline andconsistency, and every night she
sat down to do it and I waslike, you know, stephanie can do
this, I can do this too.
I like to look at people thathad success.
I don't want to model them likethey can do that.
I can do that too.
I'm just going to model whatthey did.
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And so that's what I sat downat night, because that's what my
wife is like, uh, like, justjust don't quit your day job,
you know, like, like you have.
You know, he had dreams ofbecoming a bestselling author or
whatever.
I'm like no, no, I'll just doit at night, I promise.
But I dedicated myself to makingit like a part-time job, like I
was going to every night.
I mean, the girls are in bed,everyone's chilling, I'm going
to go downstairs, I'm going towrite, I'm going to get myself
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to write so many words at thefirst novel done, and that's
kind of was the genesis of that.
I wanted to have been a bigreader and then I found myself
in a position that the reason Iwrote the novel to answer the
question was I wasn't finding acertain book in the genre I was
reading.
I was reading apocalypticfiction.
There was something missing andI was like, well, if I can't
find it, maybe I'll write it.
And, by the way, that's thelesson I now teach writers the
first person you write for isyourself.
Write the story that you wantto read.
It's very important to do that.
Don't try to write for otherpeople, because you lose an
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authentic voice in that.
It's write the book you want toread.
And that's what gave birth tothe end and it was a really cool
journey with that.
Had an agent fired, the agentself-published.
It did really well.
Quit my job, I mean it's.
All this stuff happened in avery, very quick amount of time.
They got a huge deal withpenguin and never looked back
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Welcome back to another episode of Reignite
Resilience.
I am your co-host, NatalieDavis, and I am joined with none
other than Pam Kass.
Pam, how are you today?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I am fantastic.
We were just talking aboutweekends away and the snow that
we get this time of year inColorado.
That we wish would maybe nothappen, but we're embracing it.
It's making everything greenand gorgeous down here, so
listen.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I think a good rule of thumb.
Anyone that doesn't live inColorado.
If you're curious, wheneveryou're listening to this episode
, it probably has snowed at somepoint in time this week.
So whatever month of the year,it does not matter.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
And the funny thing is is Natalie and I live here,
and yet we would rather be inwarm climates by the beach.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I am looking for somewhere tropical, an ocean
that doesn't have snow, I meanit's not a lot to ask?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
No, I don't think so at all.
So I'm done with the resilienceof living through the cold
weather.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Living through the elements, exactly.
It's so funny because you areprepared for it, right?
I mean, I go back and I look atpictures and there's like snow
in May, there's snow in June.
I've had a 4th of July where Iwas watching fireworks and it
started to snow in July.
It just happens.
But when it happens, I stillhave like this trigger response
of why is this happening?
(01:57):
What?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
is this?
Yeah, yeah, I'm right with you.
Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, so any time of year it's probably snowing, so
don't worry, this is just whathappens here in Colorado.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Anyways, we have a lovely guest joining us today
and I'm so excited to dive in.
Well, I'll just turn it over toyou, Pam, why don't you tell
our listeners who's joining ustoday?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I am so excited for this one.
So we have G Michael Hoff he.
He is a US Today bestsellingauthor, renowned for his
post-apocalyptics and Westernnovels.
He has penned over 40 books,including the internationally
acclaimed the New World series,which has sold more than 1
million copies worldwide andbeen translated into multiple
(02:39):
languages.
A Marine Corps combat veteran,hoff's diverse background also
includes roles as a bodyguardand commercial diver are infused
into his writing.
He resides in San Diego.
Welcome, jeff, it is so greatto have you with us today and
excited to get to know yourstory a little bit, so I'm going
(03:00):
to hand it over to you.
Tell the listeners a little bitmore about you and your story.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Well, first let me thank you, Pam, for having me,
and Natalie as well.
Thank you.
I was listening to you guystalk about the snow.
I don't have that problem herein San Diego.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
One of my most favorite parts of the country,
but that's okay.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
It's amazing down here, but you know, I had that
experience when I lived in Idaho.
Like I opened the curtains thiswas years ago, not that long
ago actually.
When was it 10, 15 years agoand it was June 11th and there
was like six inches of snow onthe ground.
I'm all, I have to go, I'm done.
That was after seven years ofliving in Idaho.
She goes I'm done.
I'm like, okay, I get it, I getit Okay we're out.
You can't argue.
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Idaho is beautiful, though, areyou?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Northern Colorado, northern Colorado, on the front
range, yep.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Okay, got it.
Yeah, so there's snow there atall.
It can snow there anytime ofthe year, then Anytime of the
year.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
And it's.
We could have a day where youwake up and it's 75, and then it
snows and then it's 80 in theafternoon.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
It's just like it doesn't know what it wants to do
.
And we just so about me, I grewup in a great family back east
on a farm and it wasn't aworking farm but I kind of
wanted to have a lot ofexperiences in my life.
So that's what prompted me tojoin the Marine Corps.
I had really good grades, I wassupposed to go to George Mason
University and I was like I justreally want to see the world
and I did that.
I joined infantry and I did sixyears and again I just wanted
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the experience of it all.
I felt like I wanted to be partof an expeditionary force and
travel the world and have theseincredible experiences, which I
did.
My time in the military was veryeventful.
I did three deployments and sawa lot of things, but overall I
will say my military experiencewas great.
Not that there weren't momentsof intensity and suffering and a
very uncomfortable experiencesometimes, but I've just trained
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myself to just reframe thingsand look at everything as
opportunities for growth.
And so I just said, looked atmy time in as just a really
great experience, specificallyfor a young person to go through
, and then it really framed myperspective.
I got to meet a lot ofincredible people and that's
what's beautiful about themilitary.
You get people from all walksof life doesn't matter black,
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white, doesn't matter, whereveryou get put in and then you have
one kind of common purposetogether that transcends you as
an individual, and I thinkthat's what's really neat.
We have our own unique reasonsfor joining, but then it gives
us a common purpose to strivefor and I like that.
And then so from there I got out, wanted to pursue more
adventure commercial diving fora couple of years, bodyguard for
over 10 years and then Idecided to stop using my body
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and become more cerebral anddecided to write.
And then my writing careerreally has been blessed.
I've been blessed with a lot ofsuccess and that's led me to
just not for my own individualwriting, to then going into
helping other writers achievetheir dreams, creating
publishing companies and soforth.
So today I'm sitting here 40novels in myself as an
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individual and then also havepenned and helped pen.
I'm looking on the board overhere 466 other books for other
people.
So I love to see people achievetheir dreams.
It's very important for me.
I've had a lot of help alongthe way so I can do that I do.
That's incredible.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So you said that you learned how to kind of reframe
adversity when you saw it.
So how did you do that?
I mean, it's just one dayyou're like, oh, I'm just going
to.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
No, it just doesn't happen and it takes the idea to
come in your head Like Like youknow, I can choose to well,
there's been interestingexperiences in my life that it
wasn't until like the light bulbI went off in my head is like a
man.
I don't think men grow up untillike late 20s, by the way.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I think that's scientifically proven.
That is scientifically proven,like 26.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Not that we're counting, I was 28.
I remember like I'm sitting ina bar in Kansas City.
I feel like someone walked,like creeped in and like turned
the light on.
I was like, oh my God, I can.
That's what that looks like.
I just was like able to likesee things from a different
perspective.
I don't know if the frontalcortex finally got formed, but
I've been able to like kind ofunderstand and see things a
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certain way.
But then I wouldn't just likework on it.
I think working on the mind islike it's like anything else
have to have practice at.
It's like working on the bodyand you have to exercise it,
just like you exercise yourspirit.
If you're say, you're spiritualor you're religious, you work
on the spirit by going to churchand prayer and things like that
, and then the body, going tothe gym, exercising, moving the
body.
And then there comes likeworking on the mind, and I do a
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lot of that through meditation.
But it's also very consciousawareness and intentional
thinking, not just allowing myemotional state to kind of drive
me in a direction, but justlike okay, is that really what I
want to do?
And so, because a traumaticevent can really I mean, clearly
causes emotional trauma andthen you get to do with it what
you want.
And so I was like okay, so Ihave goals in my life, and so
(07:39):
whenever I've experiencedsomething that's very painful, I
just have chosen.
Again, it didn't happenovernight, it's just.
It's through conscious andintentional thinking and
practicing it, so that I have amindset that when something
happens, I pause and thenacknowledge my ownership of why
I might be there or why I mightbe experiencing it, and then
I've changed my thought thatthis is now an opportunity, an
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opportunity has been presentedto me and I get to do with that.
You know, it's kind of like adoor closes and people a lot of
time look at the closed door butdon't realize that when that
door closes, multiple doorsaround them have opened, and if
you only focus on the closeddoor you can't see anything else
.
And so when I've been facedwith something is very painful,
I kind of allow myself to feelit for a period of time, like,
(08:30):
just like, feel that emotionalstate.
But then I know that I need, Ihave other responsibilities in
life, I can't live in thatemotional state and that I have
to achieve.
I have responsibilities to otherpeople I need.
You know I've got a family,I've got two beautiful girls, a
wonderful wife and that I needto like.
Okay, I need to snap out ofthat and so that I then reframe
it.
Okay, what can I learn fromthis?
What can I garner from this toadd value to my life?
And I know that's a long way ofsaying it, but it just takes
practice to start looking at theworld that way.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I reframe things.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I might overuse that word a lot in our conversation,
but I do.
If I don't like it, I try toreframe it in a certain way.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's like.
What can I glean from this thatI could add to value to my life
?
Did any of your training in theMarines and as a bodyguard?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
and even as a commercial diver, play a role in
that.
No, it was later on in lifethat I started really exploring
the mind, how it works.
There was a couple ofexperiences I had that I've
always found fascinating.
There was I remember one timewhen I was a bodyguard, I worked
for this family.
It was one of the jobs I had.
It was in very comprehensivedetail.
We had 37 agents working toprotect one family down in South
Florida and one day a bunch ofus got fired.
(09:31):
And I remember that this hasbeen a very poignant moment in
my life because it was like onesingular event.
A bunch of us got fired all atone time and it was instantly.
It wasn't like you got twoweeks, you got a month, you're
severed, it's gone, don't comeback.
And it was just a family thatdecided whatever they wanted
they go in a different directionwith their protection detail.
But I was living with a coupleof guys that were all on the
detail and his name is Scottcame out and he was crying, like
(09:53):
, like crying, and we're likewhat is going on?
He's like we've been fired.
And then Kevin had the otherguy was Kevin was there, had
this very angry response andlike threw a beer bottle, was
acting all hyper about it and Iwas laughing and I remember like
thinking like wow, there's oneevent, three different, like
emotional responses to that.
I was like what causes that?
Like you can peel back theonions, like explore.
(10:14):
It's like why did Scott actlike that?
He was like really, reallyshaken and upset.
Scott was I mean, kevin wasacting angry about it and I was
like okay, because neither oneof those experiences were
helping these guys Like Kevinwent off the deep end and
started drinking a lot.
And then Scott was just likeI'm a victim of this and I just
sat back and like everythingwill be okay, it'll be fine and
(10:34):
everything ended up being fine.
So I was like okay.
So how did my thinking?
Did my thinking shape myreality?
Did it allow me to see things?
That wasn't clouded by enragedemotion or sadness?
It was able to see the worldfor what it is.
So those are some things thatlater on I started really taking
a deep thought on andobservation, and it was.
I think I was in my late 30s.
(10:55):
I really started exploringteachers like Tony Robbins and
people adjacent to him andcertainly started to understand
the mind and how it works.
I know it's very powerful.
That's really got me down intounderstanding, reframing my
experiences.
And that's really got me downinto understanding, reframing my
experiences and really alsoreframing my past.
Instead of looking at my timein the Marine Corps and
complaining about things Iexperienced, I've now just
(11:16):
reframed it as those werelearning opportunities and
everything like that.
I've just adopted that thoughtpattern.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, jeff, I'd love to go into that space.
First, thank you for yourservice and it sounds like
before enrolling that you were apretty good student.
You were heading off to college.
But the one thing that youmentioned is that you had this
desire to see the world andtravel and explore, and I mean
there's a variety of avenuesthat you could take to get there
and you've been able tosuccessfully do so.
(11:43):
But, looking at that experience, what are a couple of things
that you feel have truly pouredinto you or molded you to get to
this place, where you had, youknow, this kind of this light
bulb moment at 30 plus right?
So now you're in your 30s andthe light bulb has gone off and
you realize that you have anopportunity to choose every time
.
Are there things that you seealong the way that have led you
(12:05):
to this point, or are there justspecific things that have
really molded you into the humanthat you are today?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
It's the painful moments, you know, right, I know
Tony Robbins talks about thatLike that's a real motivator to
get us to change and shift whowe are.
I mean, we can kind of sufferor kind of tolerate things when
things are okay around us, right.
It's when we're hit rock bottom, so to speak, when the pain is
so much that it moves you toaction bottom, so to speak, when
the pain is so much that itmoves you to action.
(12:31):
It's a motivator, it is pain,and so there's been moments in
my life.
I think we all suffer.
It's not something that we alldo.
We are going to have thosemoments and there are going to
be other moments down the road,and it's in my moments of loss
and suffering.
One of the minutes of it.
It's horrible, we all know that, and so it's like, okay, how do
I make it less so if I can?
And then again, how do I learnfrom this?
How can I come from this betterthan where I started?
(12:53):
How can I allow this thing toenter my life and not have it
cause me to go off the rails inmy life?
Because sometimes people do.
They kind of go what I call.
They go into the wilderness, soto speak, and some of the
people don't come out of thewilderness, they get stuck there
because I still have things Iwant to do.
Again, I have talked aboutresponsibilities, and so it's
those painful moments that I'veexamined.
It's like okay, how do I makethose less painful?
(13:15):
Because it's hard to beproductive.
I think when you're suffering,don't do things, and so I've
used it to say, okay, so I'vegot things to do.
And it clouds us how we thinkno-transcript things less.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Have you come up with any tools that make it less
like make in those moments?
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Meditation for me has been I swear by meditation, I
swear by just finding time daily.
It's daily, it's like exercise,it's like breathing for me that
I exercise my mind, I exercisemy spirit.
That way as well, I justdisconnect from this world and
just am with myself andconnecting people called God,
whatever you know.
(14:23):
I don't want to go down thatroad because that's not even
really important.
I don't think it's about justgetting out from all the noise
and then quieting the mind,because that's what meditation
teaches is how to quiet the mindand just be present in that
space.
It's a very precious space, thespace of now.
Very precious Because you closeyour eyes and everyone says I
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can't meditate.
It's hard, it is hard, but withpractice, like anything like
exercise, you just get better.
So if you do it daily, you getbetter and you get better and
you get better and then you canquiet your mind.
And it's in that quiet mind andI think, like inspiration comes
, the answers to things can cometo you that you've been
searching for, and those are thethings that, if I could give
anybody advice that's actionable, it's meditate, meditate, just,
(15:08):
and even that could just be.
It can be guided meditations.
There's lots of people outthere that you can find stuff on
YouTube and whatnot, but evenjust like, go find a quiet, dark
place, sit there, sit, butyou'd be laid on your five-ball,
sleep and just close your eyesand just try to focus on breath.
The concept of focus on breathis that way, then, is your
thoughts, are kind of you'regoing to be bombarded by
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thoughts.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Your brain wants to focus on something and if it's
not your to-do list, or what youcould have said or done
differently, or what you need towear the next day, whatever
what you're- going to eat.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
All the stories, all the stories.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Always.
So this takes practice and Iwould say commit to yourself
that.
So this takes practice and Iwould say commit to yourself
that Commit to yourself.
If you can't commit to yourself, you can't commit to anybody
else.
That's true.
That's my thought.
If you don't love yourself andyou can't commit to yourself,
it's going to be very hard foryou to honestly do that for
anybody else.
And so it's commit.
I always say commit to yourselfthat Give yourself 30 days.
(16:03):
I think anyone can do anythingfor 30 days and just meditate,
and I will put money on it thatit can change your life.
It really can, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
When you first started meditating did you find
it hard to kind of quiet yourmind?
Were there things that youtricks that you found that, okay
, if I could do this, it workedreally well.
Like you said, go to a darkroom, sit any other tools or
tricks to kind of quiet thatbrain?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
It's a focus on something.
And again, that's what peoplesay the focus on breath.
That's why a lot of people thatteach meditation say that and
just constantly understand youhave to capture your thoughts
and get rid of them and go backto breath.
And it's this cat and mousegame.
You're going to be playing fora while and just know that.
That's what it is.
And most people are like, oh, Ididn't accomplish anything from
that, or actually you did,because you were constantly
going back to breath, going backto breath, thinking about
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breath.
Stop that, go back and it'sjust.
It's about the committal, it'sabout the discipline of sitting
down and doing it on aconsistent basis.
It's like going to the firsttime you go to the gym.
You're not going to see anyresults.
You're not going to go there ifyou're trying to bodybuild.
It's not that first day, it'slike day 30, maybe it's day 45
or 60.
Look at any professionalathletes out there.
They're not great initially.
(17:08):
It's that training and time andconsistency, it's that
compounding labor that givesthem that ability that they had.
They hone that ability evenbetter than they are.
And so, again, it's not going tohappen on the first day or
second day or third day.
It might happen after 30 days.
You really start, actually acouple of weeks.
You might start seeing somebenefits from it.
Then you keep leaning into itmore.
Maybe you start listening tosomeone who can guide you.
(17:29):
That can help.
There are different kinds ofmeditations you can do, but
you'll start to be able tomodulate your emotional state as
well, because you can controlyour thoughts and you can put
yourself back into whateverstate you want to be in because
you're controlling how you thinkand then that brain, heart
coherence and you can controlyour emotional state so you
don't overreact to somethingnice I think that's great.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I've mentored folks that have had a hard time
embracing the practice ofmeditation and my advice to them
has been give it time andstarting with something that's
guided right.
Then you're not focusing onyour thoughts, but instead
you're focusing on the words forthe guidance that you're
receiving, and then you canscale that back and maybe you
just have, you know, a softsound that's in the background,
and then you can find your placeand find that, settle into that
(18:13):
, the stillness and the quietyou know, and truly just being
with your thoughts, or lackthereof, like dismissing the
intrusive ones and being stilland in that moment, like the
power of now that you talk about.
But, jeff, I think the mostpowerful thing that you said
that we can just remind ourlisteners, like if you can't
commit to yourself, like whatcan you expect yourself to get?
Like you can't commit to others, right, if you can't make that
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hard commitment to yourself, youcan't really commit to the
other people around you or inyour life.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
That's universal truth.
There are certain things thatare universal truths.
That's a truth.
It's like you're lying toyourself.
You make a promise to yourselfto do something and you break
that.
The reason I think people havesuch guilt about things or they
might feel shame on themselves,is because they've done that
enough.
They don't like themselves,like I'm a liar, like I lie to
myself, I'm not willing to dothis, I can't commit to it, and
(19:07):
somewhere in there they'veabused themselves enough, and
yeah.
So it's like the love thing too.
It's like it's impossible tolove another thing or another
person if you do not loveyourself.
Yeah, powerful, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I love that.
Well, would you kind of sharewith us your journey into
starting to write and what thatlooked like?
What was the inspiration?
And yeah, I mean 40 books.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yes, Like and going from I'm prolific.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I mean all the things you did marines and diving,
bodyguarding, and now author,bestselling author.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah, I'm prolific, that's for sure.
I've always been a big readerand I always was growing up just
love to read, consume books,consume books.
And it was the time after.
So the journey of novel writingactually started.
The very first book I ever didwas a children's illustrated
book, okay, and that I wroteunder Jeffrey Hopp.
That's why I have the G Michael.
(19:51):
So if anyone's ever like, whyare you a javelin player?
I wrote a.
My very first book was achildren's illustrated book
about a dog called Doggyvilleand it was based on a story I
would tell my girls at night.
So I was like part of my jobwas like, as a parent is, I'd
love to go in, I love to readthe girls books.
I just loved it and I go and Iread it.
So I read to them and and thenthere wasn't enough books and
then I tell stories.
So this was a story I'd made upand I was just tell them about
this dog named Kiki and histravels.
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And then one night I came, Isay I asked my wife.
I was like what do you think ifI turn that into like a
children's book?
I can't be that hard.
I mean, ideas always seemeasier than you know you
practically putting them inexecuting stuff, and so she's
like, sure, have at it.
And then you know themanuscript wasn't very long, six
, eight hundred words, not verylong, uh, but then just the
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illustrations and I foundsomebody, so that's what started
that whole thing.
But that went.
That connects to the, thenovels, because that started as
an idea and then again, throughyou know, consistent discipline,
that ended up manifesting in mylife.
Here's a book idea, somethingreal, you know, and I was like,
okay, I did that, that's reallycool.
And I, how about if I did anovel?
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And then I set about to writingit?
I made it.
I was inspired by StephanieMeyer.
She's the author of theTwilight series, so the like,
the genre wasn't.
And what's funny is I neverread those books.
I've seen the movies.
But I loved her journey.
Her origin story of how shewrote the novels and created the
characters started as a luciddream and super busy mom, her
(21:15):
whole life, lots of things goingon that she set about to doing
it at night and she was againvery disciplined and followed
just married discipline andconsistency, and every night she
sat down to do it and I waslike, you know, stephanie can do
this, I can do this too.
I like to look at people thathad success.
I don't want to model them likethey can do that.
I can do that too.
I'm just going to model whatthey did.
(21:35):
And so that's what I sat downat night, because that's what my
wife is like, uh, like, justjust don't quit your day job,
you know, like, like you have.
You know, he had dreams ofbecoming a bestselling author or
whatever.
I'm like no, no, I'll just doit at night, I promise.
But I dedicated myself to makingit like a part-time job, like I
was going to every night.
I mean, the girls are in bed,everyone's chilling, I'm going
to go downstairs, I'm going towrite, I'm going to get myself
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to write so many words at thefirst novel done, and that's
kind of was the genesis of that.
I wanted to have been a bigreader and then I found myself
in a position that the reason Iwrote the novel to answer the
question was I wasn't finding acertain book in the genre I was
reading.
I was reading apocalypticfiction.
There was something missing andI was like, well, if I can't
find it, maybe I'll write it.
And, by the way, that's thelesson I now teach writers the
first person you write for isyourself.
Write the story that you wantto read.
It's very important to do that.
Don't try to write for otherpeople, because you lose an
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authentic voice in that.
It's write the book you want toread.
And that's what gave birth tothe end and it was a really cool
journey with that.
Had an agent fired, the agentself-published.
It did really well.
Quit my job, I mean it's.
All this stuff happened in avery, very quick amount of time.
They got a huge deal withpenguin and never looked back
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