July 24, 2025 • 34 mins
Ever notice how the hardest part of a journey is often just taking that first step? When Pam received a text from a friend asking "Have you done your run yet?" it became the catalyst that transformed two years of running procrastination into action. That simple accountability moment sparked not just the planned one-mile run, but an unexpected three-mile journey that reignited her passion for clarity and momentum.
Momentum is psychological magic - once we overcome initial resistance, we often exceed our own expectations. This psychological principle applies to everything from fitness routines to creative projects and business goals. The hosts share personal stories about how scheduling priorities, creating accountability systems, and breaking large goals into manageable chunks has transformed their productivity and helped maintain forward motion even through challenging times.
One particularly powerful concept discussed is the distinction between "should goals" versus "joy goals." Should goals originate from external expectations and comparison, while joy goals emerge from genuine internal desire. Understanding this difference explains why some aspirations energize us while others repeatedly fall to the bottom of our to-do lists despite their apparent importance.
The conversation also explores practical tools like "friction audits" to identify obstacles preventing progress, leveraging technology appropriately, and creating environments that support rather than undermine our goals. These strategies transform overwhelming ambitions into achievable steps that build momentum through consistent small wins.
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Pamela Cass is a licensed broker with Kentwood Real Estate
Natalie Davis is a licensed broker with Keller Williams Realty Downtown, LLC
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RR Intro (00:06):
All of us reach a point in time where we are
depleted and need to somehowfind a way to reignite the fire
within.
But how do we spark that flame?
Welcome to Reignite Resilience,where we will venture into the
heart of the human spirit.
Resilience where we willventure into the heart of the
(00:27):
human spirit.
We'll discuss the art ofreigniting our passion and
strategies to stoke ourenthusiasm.
And now here are your hosts,natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.
Natalie (00:41):
Welcome back to another episode of Reignite Resilience.
I am your co-host, natalieDavis, and I am so happy to be
back with all of you.
I feel like it's been some timesince recording, but, of course
, joining us is your co-host,pam Cass.
Hey, pam, how's it been?
Hello, it is going really good.
How are you?
I'm good.
I'm good.
I like when we get like content, ideas in the moment, as we're
(01:04):
living through it, as we'redoing it, as we're living it.
Pamela (01:08):
Yeah, and I was.
I was sharing with you.
And it brings me to a point andI'll I'll say that in a second,
but I was telling you that.
So my daughter called me,probably at the beginning of
this year, and was like hey, mom, will you do this half marathon
with me in October?
And at the time I was like, oh,it's not till October.
Plenty of time, we're good, Idon't even need to start
(01:28):
training till July.
Natalie (01:31):
Because why start training in January?
Why would you?
Pamela (01:34):
do that.
And, of course, last time I ranwas when I did the half
marathon in Napa, like two yearsago.
So actually I think it wasexactly two years ago this week
ago.
So actually I think it wasexactly two years ago this week.
So I'm like that's two years ofnot running, and so I kept
putting it off and putting itoff.
And then it was June.
I'm like, oh, I need to startrunning.
And I was putting it off andit's not like I'm not working
(01:55):
out, like I'm doing this likefour to five days a week, this
other workout.
So I just came up with theexcuses like, well, I'm doing
this, I don't have time to run,I'm really busy, blah, blah,
blah.
And so it's July 18th, 19th,july 19th today.
(02:17):
So I should have startedrunning July 1st and.
Natalie (02:20):
I have come up with 19 days of excuses not to do it.
Pamela (02:22):
And I told a friend.
I was like oh, I got a busy dayso I'm not going to be able to
do my normal workout, so I'mjust going to go for a run.
I get up this morning at fiveand again I'm like yeah, I don't
need to do it today.
I got a lot of stuff I got toget done before I go to work and
so I just was settled into, I'mnot going to do and I'm
drinking my coffee, enjoyingmyself.
And then I get the text messagefrom the friend so have you
(02:45):
done your run yet?
I was like so I started to comelike text back with all these
excuses as to why, well, I'mdoing this and I got this.
And I was like maybe I'll do ittomorrow.
And then I was like no, dang it.
And it was 6.45 in the morningby then.
(03:05):
So I'm like no, I haven't doneit yet.
I'm enjoying my coffee.
I'm going to go at seven Withno intentions of going at seven,
they wouldn't know.
So I'm like okay.
Natalie (03:15):
And then I like You're like I'm going to go at seven
and your subconscious brain islike girl, no, we're not.
Pamela (03:27):
You're.
Just, brain is like, girl, no,we're not, you're not going.
And so I put the phone down,looked at my dog.
I was like, oh, son of a gun,all right, just, you're gonna do
this, you're gonna do this.
And of course, everything wasexactly where it needed to be,
because I've not run in twoyears, so it's all there.
I had to dust off the tennisshoes because they were a little
dusty, yes.
So I put it on and I was outthe door by 6 5858.
So before seven, and I'm likeI'm doing a mile, that's it.
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I'm just gonna be short, I'mjust gonna do this quick loop.
Yeah, I start running and thenit's quiet out and it was cool
and there was nobody out.
And then I see a hot airballoon and then I like this
kind of feels good and I get tothe place where I needed to turn
.
I was like, no, I think I'mgonna go farther.
(04:10):
And so then I kept findingmyself, no, I'm gonna go a
little farther, I'm gonna go alittle farther.
So I ended up doing three miles,which is not much, but it is a
lot when you haven't run forthree years.
And on that I was like, oh mygosh, this is a great topic to
talk about in maybe one of mySunday messages or in my blog
about momentum is when it's thatinitial just starting and then
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you start getting a momentum andthen you want to just keep
pushing because you're gettingthose little wins.
You're like, oh my gosh, Ipassed this stretch, I haven't
had to stop.
I can actually breathe blah,blah, blah.
Gosh, I passed this street, Ihaven't had to stop, I can
actually breathe blah, blah,blah.
And so I remember the last timeI was running, training for
half marathon, is the clarity inmy mind and what the ideas that
(04:54):
come to my head when I'm on arun and I was like, gosh, I miss
this, I miss this.
And then here we are, ourguests didn't show up, so we're
like okay well, let's bring itto the listeners Exactly.
Natalie (05:11):
Well, that's and I shared with Pam, like they.
You know there's that sayingthat says the hardest part of
running a marathon is putting onyour shoes right.
Like that's the.
That's the challenge.
And I know during the pandemic,if we go back to that season,
many of us were probably in thebest shapes of our lives because
we were getting like two daysin and I remember getting up and
it was athletic wear on thebottom and a blazer and a shirt
at the top.
(05:31):
But I felt that if I started myday by having the yoga pants or
the yoga shorts on the bottom,then I would at least get a
workout in and I actually did.
I know that some people justmade that their standard Zoom
attire.
Pamela (05:43):
I actually did the workout I found a white sports
bra with a black blazer.
Natalie (05:47):
nobody knows the difference no one knows the
difference.
Nobody knows the difference.
Pamela (05:50):
Yeah, just don't get up, don't stand up, stand up with
your your athletic pants on youdon't do that, yes exactly.
Natalie (05:59):
No, that's so good for you for doing the run today,
because I mean two years it was.
It was definitely two years agothis season because it was like
Virgo season.
It was around this time because, heads up, we're heading into
Virgo season if y'all don't know.
Pamela (06:10):
Yes, and it is a season, just so y'all know.
And we are both Virgos.
Natalie (06:15):
Yes, there's a lot of Virgo energy.
If y'all have not picked up onthat in all of this time, it's
all on this podcast, but it wasaround this time and that was a
good run.
But you, there was a differentpiece because you had friends
that you were running with whenyou did that run, right.
So, like you're, you're like,well, I gotta practice, like
I've got to train, because Idon't want to be the person
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that's like slowing us all downor what happened right.
Like you, kind of set that,yeah, yeah absolutely, and so,
yeah.
Pamela (06:41):
So when you have those people that will reach out have
you done your run yet or thatyou know you're going to be
running with or doing somethingwith, that's holding you
accountable because you're likeyou don't want to be that one
person that can't finish therace, and so it does make a huge
difference.
And man, it's just doing thatinitial first run after that
(07:02):
period of time.
It's kind of like when you'rein the routine of doing a habit
consistently and then you go onvacation or you get sick and you
stop that habit, Starting itagain is like the hardest thing,
and so it's almost you know, Ialmost use the Mel Robbins kind
of five, four, three, two, oneand then get up and go, and so I
(07:26):
think that that's what I endedup doing, just to get my like
get your tush up and go You'renot going to be able to lie to
the friend and like oh yeah, itwas a good run.
Natalie (07:38):
Well, listen, that was funny, because when you said
that you got the text, I waslike my first response to Pam
was like I didn't ask you to bemy accountability partner in
this moment, I don't need you tocheck in.
Pamela (07:48):
Why do you have to be such a downer?
Why do you have to throw thatat my face?
Natalie (07:52):
Exactly, I was having a lovely time enjoying my coffee
and doing laundry.
Are we talking about running?
Pamela (07:59):
No, I did not need to even have that put into my head,
but I wouldn't have done it ifthey hadn't sent me that text.
I do not need to even have thatput into my head, but I
wouldn't have done it if theyhadn't sent me that text.
So absolutely, absolutely,Super grateful for it.
Natalie (08:08):
So well, I think one of the things we're chatting about
just kind of our workoutregimen that we have right now.
And I've picked up a new thingjust within the last 90 days oh,
no, 60 days, it's only been 60days since I've started this but
there's this facility calledHot Works.
I'm not sure you can open.
I have no affiliation orconnection, but if you want to
join I'll get you a referrallink.
(08:29):
Sure, but I have not.
I have no connection orownership into Hot Works, but
they're basically like highintensity or isometric workouts
in a heated sauna up to 130degrees, and so I started out
like slow.
You know, I'm like let's startat 105.
Like that's not too hot, that'snormal temperature here in my
part of the world.
I've worked my way up to 120degrees.
(08:50):
But as you talk about likebreaking that habit, I also was
on the road all last week,literally out of town, for seven
days and so seven days ofbreaking my normal morning
routine.
I was so happy to get back andinto the process and practice of
getting back into the gymbecause there's there's short
(09:11):
workouts, right.
So I'm just getting being ableto get back into the gym and I
was actually excited to get backinto that space and get my
routine again.
It's fun to have those breaksin the routine.
Don't get me wrong.
We all need to take a break andtravel and experience our
friends and things of thatnature.
But it was definitely.
It's hard when you step out ofit.
I also feel like I went througha little bit of detox because
(09:33):
all of the wine that I had whileI was gone needed to make its
way out of my system.
Pamela (09:41):
Well, there's that, and then there's that.
Natalie (09:45):
But it is like the momentum and the commitment.
I think those are like the twopieces and like, as you were
saying that, pam, like I feelthat applies in in everything,
because if I'm working on like abig project and I know that I'm
not going to be able tocomplete it that day or that
week or even in that month, I'llstart to get distracted by
(10:05):
little things that I know that Ican complete.
Right, it's like.
Oh, you know, what I can doright now is clean out my raised
beds, and I'll know that I'llget that done today.
Pamela (10:13):
And so it's like a small win.
Natalie (10:15):
It's a total distraction, but it keeps you
going right.
It's like, okay, I can keepgoing because I was able to
actually get that done andcomplete it and then go back to
the project.
For me I've got to have thosevictories along the way, because
if I don't, it's like you'rejust working and spinning the
wheel without those wins andyou're like you get to mile one
(10:37):
and you're like I'll just turnaround here, we're done.
Pamela (10:39):
We're done here right, that's such a good point and I'm
very much the same way.
And it was about three monthsago and you and I have a mutual
friend, rachel Jane Groover,from the Awakend School, and she
does a quarterly VIP kind ofmeeting, that it's a three-hour
(11:02):
thing, and she introduced a fewthings to us and one of the
things she had us do was tofirst of all pick your three
business goals, pick your threepersonal goals.
And then she said ask yourself,is it a should goal?
Meaning I should do it becauseof what people are telling me,
what I heard, the comparisonbaloney.
And then, what is a joy goal?
(11:23):
Because chances are if it's ajoy goal, because chances are if
it's a joy goal, you're goingto do it because it's something
you're excited about doing.
If it's a should goal, you'reprobably going to find every
reason under the sun not to putyour tennis shoes on and go run.
And then she had us.
So then we pick them.
Here's our joy goals.
And then she goes now you needto take it and create an action
plan for it.
(11:44):
And so what I did when we werein that session because she gave
us time to work I was like I'mgoing to plug this into chat GPT
.
And so I take it.
I go into chat GPT and I said Ihave this project, I have 90
days to complete it.
I'd like you to create a 90 dayplan, working five days a week,
(12:06):
knowing that I only have about35 minutes or 45 minutes a day
to work on it.
What are small things that Ican accomplish in that amount of
time over the next 90 days?
And it created this detailedlike down to the smallest things
.
And then I basically took thatbecause she said now you got to
put it into some sort of aproject management system.
So I took it, I uploaded it toAsana and Asana, you can use
(12:27):
their free program.
I uploaded it into Asana, Iassigned it to myself or, if it
was, somebody else could do it,I'd sign it to somebody else.
And then I put a timestamp onit, like it has to be done by
this day.
And what I loved about it is,first of all, I got the
(12:47):
notification hey, this is due.
And so it prompted me.
And then it was small enoughthat I could do it and check it
off.
And let me tell you, when youcheck it off, you're like yes,
and Asana does this.
Natalie (12:54):
Like fireworks and you get like the confetti and all of
that.
Pamela (12:58):
Yes, there's a unicorn that flies across the screen.
I don't know.
Natalie (13:02):
I might've dreamed that , but I think you're right and I
do love that.
Pamela (13:07):
And I was like, okay, this is so.
And then one of the things shetaught us was doing what's
called a friction audit of that.
And so, basically, a frictionaudit is looking at where's
their friction in your life thatis preventing you from moving
forward with these goals andcompleting these action plans.
And so one of the very firstones is your self-talk.
(13:30):
You know, it's your fear, it'syour doubt.
Your self-worth is one of thekey ones.
One of them is distractions.
Like where are theirdistractions?
One of them is your environment.
Is your environment such thatyou're not able to get it done?
And unfortunately't rememberthe fourth one, but I was like
that's brilliant.
So it's what are my goals?
Break them into action plans,get them into a system where
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you're going to get remindersand accountability, figure out
what are the friction pointsthat might prevent any of these
from happening, and then come upwith a plan on how we can
overcome those frictions.
Natalie (14:07):
And I think environment is probably the one that is the
silent friction for most peoplethat they don't realize, right,
and it's whatever that spaceyour household, your friends,
family, loved ones, yourcoworkers and your peers, the
people that you're surroundingyourself with constantly If
you're not able to elevateyourself to a place that you can
keep your focus on that goal,not only will they be a
(14:30):
distraction, but they probablyare not going to be in a space
to support and uplift that goalfor you, right?
And nor is that their job.
That's not their job, no, nottheir job at all.
It's not their responsibilityto do that.
Yeah, so that's, that's a bigpiece.
So identifying those frictions,that's huge.
Pamela (14:46):
And I love that.
And then to your point aboutthe working out and those taking
those breaks, and so the placethat I work out, so I do
something that's called Legree.
I was introduced to it last endof last year.
Legree is like Pilates, exceptit is very slow movements to the
point where you're almost doinga 12 count in one squat, where
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you're slowly squatting for 12minutes and you go to a muscle
failure.
So your muscles are shaking.
So you're at this point whereyou're completely everything is
shaking and I luckily they haveit where you can book your class
up to a month, and so I haveevery class booked through the
middle of August right now.
(15:30):
And then I build my schedulearound that.
And I think that's a reallyimportant one for people to
think about, because our health,our relationships, our
self-care is usually that thingthat kind of makes it on our
calendar or it doesn't, and andit's just kind of filled in and
then it's most, oh, I don't havetime to do it, like the running
, I haven't had it on mycalendar.
So I just I'm like, yeah, I'lldo it, but I didn't.
Natalie (15:53):
Absolutely Like if it's not well, first of all, for the
people that operate in lifewithout a calendar.
Kudos to you.
I don't know how you do it, butthat is one of the big things
when we talk about like ourprofessional lives, if it's not
on my calendar it's nothappening.
Right, I come.
If it falls off of my calendar,I'm sorry I'm not going to be
there, but we don't do the samething for the things that you
just mentioned our health, ourpersonal relationships, our
(16:14):
families, right, Like we don'tput those things on the calendar
, or if you don't put thosethings on the calendar, those
are the easiest things to falloff.
A hundred percent.
Pamela (16:23):
Yeah, If it's not scheduled, it's not going to
happen.
And I challenge everybody Ifit's not on your calendar,
probably not going to happen.
Yeah, and what will happen isit'll get filled in by social
media, overeating over drinking.
Busy work that makes you feellike you're working but you're
not really doing anything.
You're not really doinganything.
Yeah, Makes you feel likeyou're working but you're not
(16:43):
really doing anything, butyou're not really doing anything
.
Yeah, You're not beingproductive but you're getting
something done?
Natalie (16:46):
Yeah, at all At all.
A friend of mine, we had lunchtogether.
I want to say it was like twoor three weeks ago and she
absolutely knows this, becausewe had lunch the day of the
lunch meeting.
She sent me a text and she saidis this still on your calendar?
I'll see you there, see you ina few hours.
Right, so that was before theday of.
But in order for us to set thatlunch meeting, we scheduled it
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45 days prior.
And it's because we bothoperate in that same space, like
, and we wanted to have time toconnect, right, we weren't doing
a 30 minute quick lunch meeting, we wanted to carve out when
can we have 90 minutes to sitdown and actually talk without
the distractions all around us?
And so, 45 days prior, we saweach other in an event and we
(17:27):
and we said in passing, hey, weshould get together and do lunch
.
And both of us were like yeah,yeah, yeah.
And then she circled backaround and she goes where's your
calendar?
And I said, oh, exactly.
Pamela (17:38):
How many times do we do that?
We run into somebody and we'relike let's do lunch, let's grab
coffee, and then it neverhappens, and then it never
happens.
Natalie (17:45):
So she made it a point to get on the and she was very
grateful that we were able to.
I was grateful for her to tounderstand and understand our
scheduling process right, likethat's understanding and
appreciating.
It is what I was going to say,but and it may sound rigid to
some people.
Again, it gives me structure.
I know where I'm going to be, Iknow what I'm going to get
there.
There are times that I'm inmultiple places, yeah.
Pamela (18:09):
And I think it allows us to be laser focused on the
things that are important to us,a hundred percent.
Yes, if I'm not making sure myworkout is on there, then I'm
saying to myself that that's notimportant.
If I don't have designated timeto spend it with my family, my
friends, my grandson, it's notgoing to happen, oh yeah.
And so it has to be intentional.
(18:30):
Our calendars have to beintentional, and I'll take it
this is kind of fun and I thinkmaybe mentioned this before
creating that board of advisors.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, on chat, gbt.
And so I have my board ofadvisors that I will like.
I did it this morning.
I was like, okay, so cominginto the next next week, what
should my schedule be?
(18:50):
And so then I have AbrahamLincoln, I have Brene Brown, I
have Simon Sinek, I have ElonMusk, which I don't know.
He just popped up on there.
I don't know where he came fromand I was like this is a new
one.
Why is he in here?
Who else was in there?
That is a neutral statement.
I was like why did he pop up inhere Like that's?
(19:11):
He was not in there before, soI don't know, bill.
Natalie (19:12):
Gates, you just entered the room on your own, okay,
thank you.
Pamela (19:15):
Like where did you come from?
Oh, my gosh, who was Steve jobs?
I think I miss a John Maxwell.
So all of them gave me okay,here are the things that you
should be focusing on.
Oprah is in there, yeah.
So here's what you need tofocus on.
And then it gives me a summaryof here's your week.
And then it says would you likeus to create a PDF of your week
(19:35):
with check boxes?
And I'm like, yes, please.
And so now I've got this PDFwith my checklist of all the
things that I need to focus onto move the things forward.
Because if you guys don't knowis we've got this book that
we're working on and we are nowin the production stages where
we are working on the cover andthe feel of the inside of the
book.
It is getting real like it'sreal.
Natalie (19:58):
It is like I feel that every phase of book writing or
becoming an author ischallenging.
The writing process waschallenging and now I'm
realizing, like the productionpart is a challenge, the launch
phase is a challenge.
I've already, I mean just likeand looking at next steps as we
(20:19):
start to launch the book laterthis year and in our like, all
transparency in my mind, I waslike, oh, we'll write a book.
This was Q4 of last year.
We'll write a book and weshould have it printed and ready
to go by Q2.
Yes, exactly, we were like Q2of the next year, it'll be done.
Pamela (20:37):
Here we are in Q3 of the following year, only to realize
it is going to take at least 12more weeks for us.
Yeah, so q4 it will be coming,and so watch for more
information, for early orders,and we're excited, I'm excited
(20:57):
about it and but then trying tofigure out like, what's our
cover gonna look like, and thenjust all of that is just feels a
little overwhelming becauseyou're like you want to get it
right.
That's first.
I mean you want to, you want itto be, because it's been a
labor of love and this is justthe first book in a series of
books and so for those of youwho are listening, so we are
(21:19):
really excited about this, butwatch for more information.
But this would not havehappened because this was one of
the goals, because I had gotteninto this place where I was
kind of stuck.
I needed to call editors andget that editing process started
and I was just dragging my feetand so that was my, that was my
(21:41):
90 day.
All right, girl, you're doingit.
And so and I did, because Ifollowed everything I needed to
do Follow the checklist.
Natalie (21:44):
Yeah, here's.
I mean even getting to thatpoint, like we talk about you
know the, the hardest step beingputting your shoes on right For
running a marathon.
And you talk about likeutilizing chat, gpt, and it's so
interesting because I have beeny'all, don't come at me, I've
been that person that's like,yeah, this will pass.
I don't, I don't really need toplug into this.
And then we have just a friendof ours and a mutual speaker
(22:07):
within our industry that focuseson AI is doing a 30-day road to
her 50th birthday, or 30-dayjourney to the road of 50, or
something like that, and shegets on every morning and she
does just a quick little snippetabout her utilizing AI to help
in, like her leveraging herself,which is huge, like she's.
(22:28):
I mean she's utilizing AI inways that I never even imagined
and I mean she's like automatingher life, automating systems,
and here she is alreadyoperating at an elevated level
and she's taking the next ortaking 30 days to leverage
herself even more.
And there was something aboutthat video that she did.
(22:49):
I want to say it was the firstor second video that she shared
to me.
And yeah, and I was like enough,natalie, it's not going away,
because I did the exact samething with Facebook.
Just if I'm going to becompletely honest, this is going
to be my honesty episode.
When Facebook came out, I waslike I'm not doing this.
I was on MySpace and I builtout a very fabulous MySpace and
now it's gone.
I'm not doing this again.
And I dug my heels in theground and I refused to accept
(23:12):
and embrace Facebook.
Okay, clearly, I and I refuseto accept and embrace Facebook.
Okay, clearly, I was wrong.
And I had that moment inwatching her video.
I was like Natalie, I thinkyou're wrong.
I think AI is here to stay.
Like, you better get on thebandwagon or get left behind.
And so I created a 30 daystep-by-step for myself.
Like, how do I start to utilizethis platform?
How can I utilize it in aneffective way where it's not a
(23:33):
distraction?
Because there are times whereI'm like I just want to sit in
this thing and play and learnmore, right, like I just want to
keep digging deeper.
I also don't need that.
Like, I don't need it as adistraction.
I need it to leverage myself.
So I commit the first 30minutes of my day to complete
the task.
Sometimes it takes 30 minutes,sometimes it doesn't they,
they're just quicker.
That's one of my commitments.
(23:53):
So I'm on this journey 30 daysof embracing AI in my business
and in my life.
I've come around y'all.
I'm on Facebook too, so here weare.
Pamela (24:04):
It's so funny because I was introduced to Chachi BT last
year.
I can't.
Was it last year or has it beenlonger than that?
It might've been longer.
Natalie (24:15):
It might've been over.
No, it was whale over a yearago Exactly.
Pamela (24:17):
Yeah, okay, anywhere it was definitely.
I want to say it was 2023, forsure it was definitely before it
was big, like before manypeople actually knew about it.
And it was so funny because Iremember I had learned about it
and then I was on a coachingcall and I was talking to a
client about it and at the timeoh yeah, this has been a long
(24:38):
time ago because my son'sbedroom Jack and Jill bathroom,
in between where I are myoffices and his bedroom at the
time he's not in there anymoreand I will never forget he was
getting ready for school.
Oh my God, it was a long timeago.
He was getting ready for schooland I was talking about it and
then I end the call and the doorabruptly opens from the
(24:58):
bathroom.
How do you know about ChatGPT?
And I'm like how do you know,about ChatGPT.
Mr Little High Schooler Likewhat do you know?
He goes well, I just don't wantto, don't be telling everybody.
I don't want people to knowabout it, because then
everybody's going to use it.
Adorable, adorable.
Don't tell nobody's going toknow about it if I don't say
(25:20):
anything.
And I was like, and how are youusing it, son?
Natalie (25:24):
like absolutely.
This is for homework and paper.
I think the kids embraced itmuch earlier than much earlier.
Pamela (25:31):
Yes, yeah so he was mortified.
Natalie (25:34):
That I do love that Dylan he's like, don't tell
anyone.
Pamela (25:37):
It's a secret.
Don't tell, no one will findout, because I am such an
influencer.
Natalie (25:46):
He's like don't go telling your friends about it
Like what are you talking about?
Pamela (25:51):
So it has been a few years and it's.
I've just embraced the fact.
It just makes my, my lifeeasier because I can do things
that I used to procrastinate insuch a short amount of time.
It's just so effective and it'snot like I'm using it to do
things for me.
It's like I create somethingand then I put it in there and I
say enhance this to make itprofessional, blah, blah, blah,
(26:14):
and then it doesn't.
I'm like, oh, I like that, andblah, and then it doesn't.
I'm like, oh, I like that, andthen I'll make some more changes
.
So it sounds like me, but yeah,it's been a life changer.
Every time I use it I'm likewhere have you been my whole
life?
Natalie (26:25):
I have.
Well, here, I am like, welcome.
I've just entered the room.
You know, in 2025.
That's all right.
Right, you're here more thanhalfway through the year in 2025
.
It's making that commitmentright, like it's the
intentionality of it and and Ijust know, I think it was a
combination that and and I hearda speaker that said something
you know like you can eitherembrace it and understand that
(26:48):
it's here to stay or you can getleft behind and and I see that
happening in so many industrieswhere people get caught up in
the way that they used to dothings, and I mean, this goes
back.
This is not just technology.
No, people used to think theworld was flat.
Exactly, exactly.
There's many that still do.
Yes, there's many that still do.
But here I remember, like myparents.
(27:10):
Now, this is years and yearsago.
This would have been in theearly 90s, when both of my
parents were nurses, and Iremember in the early 90s and
they introduced, my motherworked in labor and delivery her
entire life, and I rememberwhen they brought in their
charts onto devices like noteven laptops, they were like
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desktops, like you had to go tothe station and type in the
nurse's notes.
And I remember her coming homeand she's like they brought
these computers in and now I'vegot to stay later to put in my
notes in the chart in thecomputer.
It doesn't make any sense.
How am I supposed to pull thenotes when I need them?
I've got to go to the computerand it was this whole thing.
It was this whole thing becausethey brought computers in.
(27:51):
She was used to charts likewritten charts, she's.
They brought computers in.
She was used to charts likewritten charts.
She's writing in her notes, sheturns her chart in at the end
of her shift and she moves onwith life.
She had to learn a whole newskill and you talk about nurses
learning tech.
They were not happy.
No, this was in the early 90s.
Pamela (28:05):
I don't know what it's like now for the nurses, but
well, now it's all there on aniPad and I mean it is so and
just checking everything'sconnected and here's, I mean I'm
aging myself here.
I mean I remember my doctor'soffice, our family doctor.
I remember going and the galswould sit up at the front to
check you in and behind them wasa wall of files like paper
(28:27):
files.
Oh yeah, I remember when theywere going through the process
of taking those and takingeverything out of those and
manually in putting it intocomputers and I'm just like holy
crap.
And now you go in and there'snothing behind them.
It's because everything iselectronic and I love it because
I can access my medical fileson my phone.
(28:49):
On an app, I can getprescription orders.
I mean, I can pull up everyfile, everything.
Natalie (28:55):
But what's in that space now?
Like there were rows and rowsof medical records.
Pamela (29:00):
I had no idea the size of the doctor's offices haven't
changed.
Natalie (29:02):
Like what now I'm like what replaced that?
Pamela (29:05):
What goes in that space?
Now, I don't even know.
I don't even remember the lasttime I was at a doctor's office
oh, who is my doctor?
Natalie (29:16):
What's my name?
What's your?
Pamela (29:17):
name.
So my doctor that I had for athousand years, like when I
moved up here, he was my doctorwhen I was going to college.
He was my doctor with all threeof my kids.
He retired, which was soselfish but he was such a great
he was like probably one of thebest.
I think he was the best doctorI've ever had, where he just
took the time If something wasgoing on and he didn't know,
(29:39):
he's like hold on and he wouldrun and get his giant medical
book and bring it back and he'dflip through and try to find
stuff.
And he was just and he didn'tjust medicate you, he actually
tried to figure out, like,what's going on, are there other
things that we can do otherthan just a prescription?
And so I so appreciated that.
And then he retired and I waslike dang it and I've not found
(30:00):
my doctor yet.
And that has been a very longtime.
Natalie (30:03):
That's hard, that's a hard thing, that's a hard thing.
And I have a doctor that Ireally like that I've had for
about a year now, but he's inhis seventies, so it's going to
be a matter of time before.
It's going to be a matter oftime, yeah, before he retires,
but he's, he's still verytraditional in terms of how he
practices and runs his practiceand I appreciate that.
That's what I'm used to, yeah,yeah, especially growing up with
(30:24):
nurses, that our parents thatwere nurses, right, like I just
have a whole different outlookon the, the medical industry and
and anyways, from a historicalcontext.
But Absolutely.
Pamela (30:34):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Natalie (30:37):
Anyway, exactly.
Well, you told our listeners tokeep their eyes and ears open
about the book.
We'll have the book coming out.
We'll make sure that we put allof that information on social
media as we start to release,like ebook launch dates and
actual book sale dates.
We'll get all of that in yourhands.
We are really excited.
I mean, we are literally kneesdeep in it, but it's exciting.
(30:57):
We're still having fun.
It's not there's I don't thinkthat there's any challenges.
We're still having a good timein doing it.
Pamela (31:02):
We're going to get it.
It's not been one of thosethings.
Oh, we got to do that.
It's been because it's such apersonal.
So it makes it exciting and I'ma little excited about putting
author underneath my name.
Natalie (31:16):
That too.
That too.
I don't know if there's anymore room underneath.
I know I was just thinkingabout that.
Pamela (31:22):
I'm like okay, let's see here.
Professional speaker coach yes.
Master author yes exactly.
Natalie (31:32):
It's like and and yes, there's a, there will be some.
We're going to need some morespace.
Well, I, I'm I'm not going toneed, I'm going to free up space
towards the end of the day,which is a different
announcement.
Pamela (31:46):
I think I'm the same way .
It's like there's going to besome stuff that's got to be like
.
Okay, thank you, but I'mevolving into the next chapter.
Natalie (31:53):
Exactly.
Pamela (31:53):
Yeah, and I don't know what that's going to be.
Natalie (31:55):
And it's going to be amazing.
Whatever it is, it's going tobe amazing it is going to be.
Pamela (32:03):
That's the best part of life is we don't know where this
path is going to take us.
But, man, it's fun to just bein the moment right now and
experiencing it, and not so muchfocusing on the end, but just
focusing on the journey.
That's kind of a hundredpercent.
Natalie (32:15):
A hundred percent, oh my gosh, I love it.
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Resilience.
All of us reach a point in time where we are
depleted and need to somehowfind a way to reignite the fire
within.
But how do we spark that flame?
Welcome to Reignite Resilience,where we will venture into the
heart of the human spirit.
Resilience where we willventure into the heart of the
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human spirit.
We'll discuss the art ofreigniting our passion and
strategies to stoke ourenthusiasm.
And now here are your hosts,natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.
Natalie (00:41):
Welcome back to another episode of Reignite Resilience.
I am your co-host, natalieDavis, and I am so happy to be
back with all of you.
I feel like it's been some timesince recording, but, of course
, joining us is your co-host,pam Cass.
Hey, pam, how's it been?
Hello, it is going really good.
How are you?
I'm good.
I'm good.
I like when we get like content, ideas in the moment, as we're
(01:04):
living through it, as we'redoing it, as we're living it.
Pamela (01:08):
Yeah, and I was.
I was sharing with you.
And it brings me to a point andI'll I'll say that in a second,
but I was telling you that.
So my daughter called me,probably at the beginning of
this year, and was like hey, mom, will you do this half marathon
with me in October?
And at the time I was like, oh,it's not till October.
Plenty of time, we're good, Idon't even need to start
(01:28):
training till July.
Natalie (01:31):
Because why start training in January?
Why would you?
Pamela (01:34):
do that.
And, of course, last time I ranwas when I did the half
marathon in Napa, like two yearsago.
So actually I think it wasexactly two years ago this week
ago.
So actually I think it wasexactly two years ago this week.
So I'm like that's two years ofnot running, and so I kept
putting it off and putting itoff.
And then it was June.
I'm like, oh, I need to startrunning.
And I was putting it off andit's not like I'm not working
(01:55):
out, like I'm doing this likefour to five days a week, this
other workout.
So I just came up with theexcuses like, well, I'm doing
this, I don't have time to run,I'm really busy, blah, blah,
blah.
And so it's July 18th, 19th,july 19th today.
(02:17):
So I should have startedrunning July 1st and.
Natalie (02:20):
I have come up with 19 days of excuses not to do it.
Pamela (02:22):
And I told a friend.
I was like oh, I got a busy dayso I'm not going to be able to
do my normal workout, so I'mjust going to go for a run.
I get up this morning at fiveand again I'm like yeah, I don't
need to do it today.
I got a lot of stuff I got toget done before I go to work and
so I just was settled into, I'mnot going to do and I'm
drinking my coffee, enjoyingmyself.
And then I get the text messagefrom the friend so have you
(02:45):
done your run yet?
I was like so I started to comelike text back with all these
excuses as to why, well, I'mdoing this and I got this.
And I was like maybe I'll do ittomorrow.
And then I was like no, dang it.
And it was 6.45 in the morningby then.
(03:05):
So I'm like no, I haven't doneit yet.
I'm enjoying my coffee.
I'm going to go at seven Withno intentions of going at seven,
they wouldn't know.
So I'm like okay.
Natalie (03:15):
And then I like You're like I'm going to go at seven
and your subconscious brain islike girl, no, we're not.
Pamela (03:27):
You're.
Just, brain is like, girl, no,we're not, you're not going.
And so I put the phone down,looked at my dog.
I was like, oh, son of a gun,all right, just, you're gonna do
this, you're gonna do this.
And of course, everything wasexactly where it needed to be,
because I've not run in twoyears, so it's all there.
I had to dust off the tennisshoes because they were a little
dusty, yes.
So I put it on and I was outthe door by 6 5858.
So before seven, and I'm likeI'm doing a mile, that's it.
(03:49):
I'm just gonna be short, I'mjust gonna do this quick loop.
Yeah, I start running and thenit's quiet out and it was cool
and there was nobody out.
And then I see a hot airballoon and then I like this
kind of feels good and I get tothe place where I needed to turn
.
I was like, no, I think I'mgonna go farther.
(04:10):
And so then I kept findingmyself, no, I'm gonna go a
little farther, I'm gonna go alittle farther.
So I ended up doing three miles,which is not much, but it is a
lot when you haven't run forthree years.
And on that I was like, oh mygosh, this is a great topic to
talk about in maybe one of mySunday messages or in my blog
about momentum is when it's thatinitial just starting and then
(04:34):
you start getting a momentum andthen you want to just keep
pushing because you're gettingthose little wins.
You're like, oh my gosh, Ipassed this stretch, I haven't
had to stop.
I can actually breathe blah,blah, blah.
Gosh, I passed this street, Ihaven't had to stop, I can
actually breathe blah, blah,blah.
And so I remember the last timeI was running, training for
half marathon, is the clarity inmy mind and what the ideas that
(04:54):
come to my head when I'm on arun and I was like, gosh, I miss
this, I miss this.
And then here we are, ourguests didn't show up, so we're
like okay well, let's bring itto the listeners Exactly.
Natalie (05:11):
Well, that's and I shared with Pam, like they.
You know there's that sayingthat says the hardest part of
running a marathon is putting onyour shoes right.
Like that's the.
That's the challenge.
And I know during the pandemic,if we go back to that season,
many of us were probably in thebest shapes of our lives because
we were getting like two daysin and I remember getting up and
it was athletic wear on thebottom and a blazer and a shirt
at the top.
(05:31):
But I felt that if I started myday by having the yoga pants or
the yoga shorts on the bottom,then I would at least get a
workout in and I actually did.
I know that some people justmade that their standard Zoom
attire.
Pamela (05:43):
I actually did the workout I found a white sports
bra with a black blazer.
Natalie (05:47):
nobody knows the difference no one knows the
difference.
Nobody knows the difference.
Pamela (05:50):
Yeah, just don't get up, don't stand up, stand up with
your your athletic pants on youdon't do that, yes exactly.
Natalie (05:59):
No, that's so good for you for doing the run today,
because I mean two years it was.
It was definitely two years agothis season because it was like
Virgo season.
It was around this time because, heads up, we're heading into
Virgo season if y'all don't know.
Pamela (06:10):
Yes, and it is a season, just so y'all know.
And we are both Virgos.
Natalie (06:15):
Yes, there's a lot of Virgo energy.
If y'all have not picked up onthat in all of this time, it's
all on this podcast, but it wasaround this time and that was a
good run.
But you, there was a differentpiece because you had friends
that you were running with whenyou did that run, right.
So, like you're, you're like,well, I gotta practice, like
I've got to train, because Idon't want to be the person
(06:35):
that's like slowing us all downor what happened right.
Like you, kind of set that,yeah, yeah absolutely, and so,
yeah.
Pamela (06:41):
So when you have those people that will reach out have
you done your run yet or thatyou know you're going to be
running with or doing somethingwith, that's holding you
accountable because you're likeyou don't want to be that one
person that can't finish therace, and so it does make a huge
difference.
And man, it's just doing thatinitial first run after that
(07:02):
period of time.
It's kind of like when you'rein the routine of doing a habit
consistently and then you go onvacation or you get sick and you
stop that habit, Starting itagain is like the hardest thing,
and so it's almost you know, Ialmost use the Mel Robbins kind
of five, four, three, two, oneand then get up and go, and so I
(07:26):
think that that's what I endedup doing, just to get my like
get your tush up and go You'renot going to be able to lie to
the friend and like oh yeah, itwas a good run.
Natalie (07:38):
Well, listen, that was funny, because when you said
that you got the text, I waslike my first response to Pam
was like I didn't ask you to bemy accountability partner in
this moment, I don't need you tocheck in.
Pamela (07:48):
Why do you have to be such a downer?
Why do you have to throw thatat my face?
Natalie (07:52):
Exactly, I was having a lovely time enjoying my coffee
and doing laundry.
Are we talking about running?
Pamela (07:59):
No, I did not need to even have that put into my head,
but I wouldn't have done it ifthey hadn't sent me that text.
I do not need to even have thatput into my head, but I
wouldn't have done it if theyhadn't sent me that text.
So absolutely, absolutely,Super grateful for it.
Natalie (08:08):
So well, I think one of the things we're chatting about
just kind of our workoutregimen that we have right now.
And I've picked up a new thingjust within the last 90 days oh,
no, 60 days, it's only been 60days since I've started this but
there's this facility calledHot Works.
I'm not sure you can open.
I have no affiliation orconnection, but if you want to
join I'll get you a referrallink.
(08:29):
Sure, but I have not.
I have no connection orownership into Hot Works, but
they're basically like highintensity or isometric workouts
in a heated sauna up to 130degrees, and so I started out
like slow.
You know, I'm like let's startat 105.
Like that's not too hot, that'snormal temperature here in my
part of the world.
I've worked my way up to 120degrees.
(08:50):
But as you talk about likebreaking that habit, I also was
on the road all last week,literally out of town, for seven
days and so seven days ofbreaking my normal morning
routine.
I was so happy to get back andinto the process and practice of
getting back into the gymbecause there's there's short
(09:11):
workouts, right.
So I'm just getting being ableto get back into the gym and I
was actually excited to get backinto that space and get my
routine again.
It's fun to have those breaksin the routine.
Don't get me wrong.
We all need to take a break andtravel and experience our
friends and things of thatnature.
But it was definitely.
It's hard when you step out ofit.
I also feel like I went througha little bit of detox because
(09:33):
all of the wine that I had whileI was gone needed to make its
way out of my system.
Pamela (09:41):
Well, there's that, and then there's that.
Natalie (09:45):
But it is like the momentum and the commitment.
I think those are like the twopieces and like, as you were
saying that, pam, like I feelthat applies in in everything,
because if I'm working on like abig project and I know that I'm
not going to be able tocomplete it that day or that
week or even in that month, I'llstart to get distracted by
(10:05):
little things that I know that Ican complete.
Right, it's like.
Oh, you know, what I can doright now is clean out my raised
beds, and I'll know that I'llget that done today.
Pamela (10:13):
And so it's like a small win.
Natalie (10:15):
It's a total distraction, but it keeps you
going right.
It's like, okay, I can keepgoing because I was able to
actually get that done andcomplete it and then go back to
the project.
For me I've got to have thosevictories along the way, because
if I don't, it's like you'rejust working and spinning the
wheel without those wins andyou're like you get to mile one
(10:37):
and you're like I'll just turnaround here, we're done.
Pamela (10:39):
We're done here right, that's such a good point and I'm
very much the same way.
And it was about three monthsago and you and I have a mutual
friend, rachel Jane Groover,from the Awakend School, and she
does a quarterly VIP kind ofmeeting, that it's a three-hour
(11:02):
thing, and she introduced a fewthings to us and one of the
things she had us do was tofirst of all pick your three
business goals, pick your threepersonal goals.
And then she said ask yourself,is it a should goal?
Meaning I should do it becauseof what people are telling me,
what I heard, the comparisonbaloney.
And then, what is a joy goal?
(11:23):
Because chances are if it's ajoy goal, because chances are if
it's a joy goal, you're goingto do it because it's something
you're excited about doing.
If it's a should goal, you'reprobably going to find every
reason under the sun not to putyour tennis shoes on and go run.
And then she had us.
So then we pick them.
Here's our joy goals.
And then she goes now you needto take it and create an action
plan for it.
(11:44):
And so what I did when we werein that session because she gave
us time to work I was like I'mgoing to plug this into chat GPT
.
And so I take it.
I go into chat GPT and I said Ihave this project, I have 90
days to complete it.
I'd like you to create a 90 dayplan, working five days a week,
(12:06):
knowing that I only have about35 minutes or 45 minutes a day
to work on it.
What are small things that Ican accomplish in that amount of
time over the next 90 days?
And it created this detailedlike down to the smallest things
.
And then I basically took thatbecause she said now you got to
put it into some sort of aproject management system.
So I took it, I uploaded it toAsana and Asana, you can use
(12:27):
their free program.
I uploaded it into Asana, Iassigned it to myself or, if it
was, somebody else could do it,I'd sign it to somebody else.
And then I put a timestamp onit, like it has to be done by
this day.
And what I loved about it is,first of all, I got the
(12:47):
notification hey, this is due.
And so it prompted me.
And then it was small enoughthat I could do it and check it
off.
And let me tell you, when youcheck it off, you're like yes,
and Asana does this.
Natalie (12:54):
Like fireworks and you get like the confetti and all of
that.
Pamela (12:58):
Yes, there's a unicorn that flies across the screen.
I don't know.
Natalie (13:02):
I might've dreamed that , but I think you're right and I
do love that.
Pamela (13:07):
And I was like, okay, this is so.
And then one of the things shetaught us was doing what's
called a friction audit of that.
And so, basically, a frictionaudit is looking at where's
their friction in your life thatis preventing you from moving
forward with these goals andcompleting these action plans.
And so one of the very firstones is your self-talk.
(13:30):
You know, it's your fear, it'syour doubt.
Your self-worth is one of thekey ones.
One of them is distractions.
Like where are theirdistractions?
One of them is your environment.
Is your environment such thatyou're not able to get it done?
And unfortunately't rememberthe fourth one, but I was like
that's brilliant.
So it's what are my goals?
Break them into action plans,get them into a system where
(13:52):
you're going to get remindersand accountability, figure out
what are the friction pointsthat might prevent any of these
from happening, and then come upwith a plan on how we can
overcome those frictions.
Natalie (14:07):
And I think environment is probably the one that is the
silent friction for most peoplethat they don't realize, right,
and it's whatever that spaceyour household, your friends,
family, loved ones, yourcoworkers and your peers, the
people that you're surroundingyourself with constantly If
you're not able to elevateyourself to a place that you can
keep your focus on that goal,not only will they be a
(14:30):
distraction, but they probablyare not going to be in a space
to support and uplift that goalfor you, right?
And nor is that their job.
That's not their job, no, nottheir job at all.
It's not their responsibilityto do that.
Yeah, so that's, that's a bigpiece.
So identifying those frictions,that's huge.
Pamela (14:46):
And I love that.
And then to your point aboutthe working out and those taking
those breaks, and so the placethat I work out, so I do
something that's called Legree.
I was introduced to it last endof last year.
Legree is like Pilates, exceptit is very slow movements to the
point where you're almost doinga 12 count in one squat, where
(15:09):
you're slowly squatting for 12minutes and you go to a muscle
failure.
So your muscles are shaking.
So you're at this point whereyou're completely everything is
shaking and I luckily they haveit where you can book your class
up to a month, and so I haveevery class booked through the
middle of August right now.
(15:30):
And then I build my schedulearound that.
And I think that's a reallyimportant one for people to
think about, because our health,our relationships, our
self-care is usually that thingthat kind of makes it on our
calendar or it doesn't, and andit's just kind of filled in and
then it's most, oh, I don't havetime to do it, like the running
, I haven't had it on mycalendar.
So I just I'm like, yeah, I'lldo it, but I didn't.
Natalie (15:53):
Absolutely Like if it's not well, first of all, for the
people that operate in lifewithout a calendar.
Kudos to you.
I don't know how you do it, butthat is one of the big things
when we talk about like ourprofessional lives, if it's not
on my calendar it's nothappening.
Right, I come.
If it falls off of my calendar,I'm sorry I'm not going to be
there, but we don't do the samething for the things that you
just mentioned our health, ourpersonal relationships, our
(16:14):
families, right, Like we don'tput those things on the calendar
, or if you don't put thosethings on the calendar, those
are the easiest things to falloff.
A hundred percent.
Pamela (16:23):
Yeah, If it's not scheduled, it's not going to
happen.
And I challenge everybody Ifit's not on your calendar,
probably not going to happen.
Yeah, and what will happen isit'll get filled in by social
media, overeating over drinking.
Busy work that makes you feellike you're working but you're
not really doing anything.
You're not really doinganything.
Yeah, Makes you feel likeyou're working but you're not
(16:43):
really doing anything, butyou're not really doing anything
.
Yeah, You're not beingproductive but you're getting
something done?
Natalie (16:46):
Yeah, at all At all.
A friend of mine, we had lunchtogether.
I want to say it was like twoor three weeks ago and she
absolutely knows this, becausewe had lunch the day of the
lunch meeting.
She sent me a text and she saidis this still on your calendar?
I'll see you there, see you ina few hours.
Right, so that was before theday of.
But in order for us to set thatlunch meeting, we scheduled it
(17:07):
45 days prior.
And it's because we bothoperate in that same space, like
, and we wanted to have time toconnect, right, we weren't doing
a 30 minute quick lunch meeting, we wanted to carve out when
can we have 90 minutes to sitdown and actually talk without
the distractions all around us?
And so, 45 days prior, we saweach other in an event and we
(17:27):
and we said in passing, hey, weshould get together and do lunch
.
And both of us were like yeah,yeah, yeah.
And then she circled backaround and she goes where's your
calendar?
And I said, oh, exactly.
Pamela (17:38):
How many times do we do that?
We run into somebody and we'relike let's do lunch, let's grab
coffee, and then it neverhappens, and then it never
happens.
Natalie (17:45):
So she made it a point to get on the and she was very
grateful that we were able to.
I was grateful for her to tounderstand and understand our
scheduling process right, likethat's understanding and
appreciating.
It is what I was going to say,but and it may sound rigid to
some people.
Again, it gives me structure.
I know where I'm going to be, Iknow what I'm going to get
there.
There are times that I'm inmultiple places, yeah.
Pamela (18:09):
And I think it allows us to be laser focused on the
things that are important to us,a hundred percent.
Yes, if I'm not making sure myworkout is on there, then I'm
saying to myself that that's notimportant.
If I don't have designated timeto spend it with my family, my
friends, my grandson, it's notgoing to happen, oh yeah.
And so it has to be intentional.
(18:30):
Our calendars have to beintentional, and I'll take it
this is kind of fun and I thinkmaybe mentioned this before
creating that board of advisors.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, on chat, gbt.
And so I have my board ofadvisors that I will like.
I did it this morning.
I was like, okay, so cominginto the next next week, what
should my schedule be?
(18:50):
And so then I have AbrahamLincoln, I have Brene Brown, I
have Simon Sinek, I have ElonMusk, which I don't know.
He just popped up on there.
I don't know where he came fromand I was like this is a new
one.
Why is he in here?
Who else was in there?
That is a neutral statement.
I was like why did he pop up inhere Like that's?
(19:11):
He was not in there before, soI don't know, bill.
Natalie (19:12):
Gates, you just entered the room on your own, okay,
thank you.
Pamela (19:15):
Like where did you come from?
Oh, my gosh, who was Steve jobs?
I think I miss a John Maxwell.
So all of them gave me okay,here are the things that you
should be focusing on.
Oprah is in there, yeah.
So here's what you need tofocus on.
And then it gives me a summaryof here's your week.
And then it says would you likeus to create a PDF of your week
(19:35):
with check boxes?
And I'm like, yes, please.
And so now I've got this PDFwith my checklist of all the
things that I need to focus onto move the things forward.
Because if you guys don't knowis we've got this book that
we're working on and we are nowin the production stages where
we are working on the cover andthe feel of the inside of the
book.
It is getting real like it'sreal.
Natalie (19:58):
It is like I feel that every phase of book writing or
becoming an author ischallenging.
The writing process waschallenging and now I'm
realizing, like the productionpart is a challenge, the launch
phase is a challenge.
I've already, I mean just likeand looking at next steps as we
(20:19):
start to launch the book laterthis year and in our like, all
transparency in my mind, I waslike, oh, we'll write a book.
This was Q4 of last year.
We'll write a book and weshould have it printed and ready
to go by Q2.
Yes, exactly, we were like Q2of the next year, it'll be done.
Pamela (20:37):
Here we are in Q3 of the following year, only to realize
it is going to take at least 12more weeks for us.
Yeah, so q4 it will be coming,and so watch for more
information, for early orders,and we're excited, I'm excited
(20:57):
about it and but then trying tofigure out like, what's our
cover gonna look like, and thenjust all of that is just feels a
little overwhelming becauseyou're like you want to get it
right.
That's first.
I mean you want to, you want itto be, because it's been a
labor of love and this is justthe first book in a series of
books and so for those of youwho are listening, so we are
(21:19):
really excited about this, butwatch for more information.
But this would not havehappened because this was one of
the goals, because I had gotteninto this place where I was
kind of stuck.
I needed to call editors andget that editing process started
and I was just dragging my feetand so that was my, that was my
(21:41):
90 day.
All right, girl, you're doingit.
And so and I did, because Ifollowed everything I needed to
do Follow the checklist.
Natalie (21:44):
Yeah, here's.
I mean even getting to thatpoint, like we talk about you
know the, the hardest step beingputting your shoes on right For
running a marathon.
And you talk about likeutilizing chat, gpt, and it's so
interesting because I have beeny'all, don't come at me, I've
been that person that's like,yeah, this will pass.
I don't, I don't really need toplug into this.
And then we have just a friendof ours and a mutual speaker
(22:07):
within our industry that focuseson AI is doing a 30-day road to
her 50th birthday, or 30-dayjourney to the road of 50, or
something like that, and shegets on every morning and she
does just a quick little snippetabout her utilizing AI to help
in, like her leveraging herself,which is huge, like she's.
(22:28):
I mean she's utilizing AI inways that I never even imagined
and I mean she's like automatingher life, automating systems,
and here she is alreadyoperating at an elevated level
and she's taking the next ortaking 30 days to leverage
herself even more.
And there was something aboutthat video that she did.
(22:49):
I want to say it was the firstor second video that she shared
to me.
And yeah, and I was like enough,natalie, it's not going away,
because I did the exact samething with Facebook.
Just if I'm going to becompletely honest, this is going
to be my honesty episode.
When Facebook came out, I waslike I'm not doing this.
I was on MySpace and I builtout a very fabulous MySpace and
now it's gone.
I'm not doing this again.
And I dug my heels in theground and I refused to accept
(23:12):
and embrace Facebook.
Okay, clearly, I and I refuseto accept and embrace Facebook.
Okay, clearly, I was wrong.
And I had that moment inwatching her video.
I was like Natalie, I thinkyou're wrong.
I think AI is here to stay.
Like, you better get on thebandwagon or get left behind.
And so I created a 30 daystep-by-step for myself.
Like, how do I start to utilizethis platform?
How can I utilize it in aneffective way where it's not a
(23:33):
distraction?
Because there are times whereI'm like I just want to sit in
this thing and play and learnmore, right, like I just want to
keep digging deeper.
I also don't need that.
Like, I don't need it as adistraction.
I need it to leverage myself.
So I commit the first 30minutes of my day to complete
the task.
Sometimes it takes 30 minutes,sometimes it doesn't they,
they're just quicker.
That's one of my commitments.
(23:53):
So I'm on this journey 30 daysof embracing AI in my business
and in my life.
I've come around y'all.
I'm on Facebook too, so here weare.
Pamela (24:04):
It's so funny because I was introduced to Chachi BT last
year.
I can't.
Was it last year or has it beenlonger than that?
It might've been longer.
Natalie (24:15):
It might've been over.
No, it was whale over a yearago Exactly.
Pamela (24:17):
Yeah, okay, anywhere it was definitely.
I want to say it was 2023, forsure it was definitely before it
was big, like before manypeople actually knew about it.
And it was so funny because Iremember I had learned about it
and then I was on a coachingcall and I was talking to a
client about it and at the timeoh yeah, this has been a long
(24:38):
time ago because my son'sbedroom Jack and Jill bathroom,
in between where I are myoffices and his bedroom at the
time he's not in there anymoreand I will never forget he was
getting ready for school.
Oh my God, it was a long timeago.
He was getting ready for schooland I was talking about it and
then I end the call and the doorabruptly opens from the
(24:58):
bathroom.
How do you know about ChatGPT?
And I'm like how do you know,about ChatGPT.
Mr Little High Schooler Likewhat do you know?
He goes well, I just don't wantto, don't be telling everybody.
I don't want people to knowabout it, because then
everybody's going to use it.
Adorable, adorable.
Don't tell nobody's going toknow about it if I don't say
(25:20):
anything.
And I was like, and how are youusing it, son?
Natalie (25:24):
like absolutely.
This is for homework and paper.
I think the kids embraced itmuch earlier than much earlier.
Pamela (25:31):
Yes, yeah so he was mortified.
Natalie (25:34):
That I do love that Dylan he's like, don't tell
anyone.
Pamela (25:37):
It's a secret.
Don't tell, no one will findout, because I am such an
influencer.
Natalie (25:46):
He's like don't go telling your friends about it
Like what are you talking about?
Pamela (25:51):
So it has been a few years and it's.
I've just embraced the fact.
It just makes my, my lifeeasier because I can do things
that I used to procrastinate insuch a short amount of time.
It's just so effective and it'snot like I'm using it to do
things for me.
It's like I create somethingand then I put it in there and I
say enhance this to make itprofessional, blah, blah, blah,
(26:14):
and then it doesn't.
I'm like, oh, I like that, andblah, and then it doesn't.
I'm like, oh, I like that, andthen I'll make some more changes
.
So it sounds like me, but yeah,it's been a life changer.
Every time I use it I'm likewhere have you been my whole
life?
Natalie (26:25):
I have.
Well, here, I am like, welcome.
I've just entered the room.
You know, in 2025.
That's all right.
Right, you're here more thanhalfway through the year in 2025
.
It's making that commitmentright, like it's the
intentionality of it and and Ijust know, I think it was a
combination that and and I hearda speaker that said something
you know like you can eitherembrace it and understand that
(26:48):
it's here to stay or you can getleft behind and and I see that
happening in so many industrieswhere people get caught up in
the way that they used to dothings, and I mean, this goes
back.
This is not just technology.
No, people used to think theworld was flat.
Exactly, exactly.
There's many that still do.
Yes, there's many that still do.
But here I remember, like myparents.
(27:10):
Now, this is years and yearsago.
This would have been in theearly 90s, when both of my
parents were nurses, and Iremember in the early 90s and
they introduced, my motherworked in labor and delivery her
entire life, and I rememberwhen they brought in their
charts onto devices like noteven laptops, they were like
(27:30):
desktops, like you had to go tothe station and type in the
nurse's notes.
And I remember her coming homeand she's like they brought
these computers in and now I'vegot to stay later to put in my
notes in the chart in thecomputer.
It doesn't make any sense.
How am I supposed to pull thenotes when I need them?
I've got to go to the computerand it was this whole thing.
It was this whole thing becausethey brought computers in.
(27:51):
She was used to charts likewritten charts, she's.
They brought computers in.
She was used to charts likewritten charts.
She's writing in her notes, sheturns her chart in at the end
of her shift and she moves onwith life.
She had to learn a whole newskill and you talk about nurses
learning tech.
They were not happy.
No, this was in the early 90s.
Pamela (28:05):
I don't know what it's like now for the nurses, but
well, now it's all there on aniPad and I mean it is so and
just checking everything'sconnected and here's, I mean I'm
aging myself here.
I mean I remember my doctor'soffice, our family doctor.
I remember going and the galswould sit up at the front to
check you in and behind them wasa wall of files like paper
(28:27):
files.
Oh yeah, I remember when theywere going through the process
of taking those and takingeverything out of those and
manually in putting it intocomputers and I'm just like holy
crap.
And now you go in and there'snothing behind them.
It's because everything iselectronic and I love it because
I can access my medical fileson my phone.
(28:49):
On an app, I can getprescription orders.
I mean, I can pull up everyfile, everything.
Natalie (28:55):
But what's in that space now?
Like there were rows and rowsof medical records.
Pamela (29:00):
I had no idea the size of the doctor's offices haven't
changed.
Natalie (29:02):
Like what now I'm like what replaced that?
Pamela (29:05):
What goes in that space?
Now, I don't even know.
I don't even remember the lasttime I was at a doctor's office
oh, who is my doctor?
Natalie (29:16):
What's my name?
What's your?
Pamela (29:17):
name.
So my doctor that I had for athousand years, like when I
moved up here, he was my doctorwhen I was going to college.
He was my doctor with all threeof my kids.
He retired, which was soselfish but he was such a great
he was like probably one of thebest.
I think he was the best doctorI've ever had, where he just
took the time If something wasgoing on and he didn't know,
(29:39):
he's like hold on and he wouldrun and get his giant medical
book and bring it back and he'dflip through and try to find
stuff.
And he was just and he didn'tjust medicate you, he actually
tried to figure out, like,what's going on, are there other
things that we can do otherthan just a prescription?
And so I so appreciated that.
And then he retired and I waslike dang it and I've not found
(30:00):
my doctor yet.
And that has been a very longtime.
Natalie (30:03):
That's hard, that's a hard thing, that's a hard thing.
And I have a doctor that Ireally like that I've had for
about a year now, but he's inhis seventies, so it's going to
be a matter of time before.
It's going to be a matter oftime, yeah, before he retires,
but he's, he's still verytraditional in terms of how he
practices and runs his practiceand I appreciate that.
That's what I'm used to, yeah,yeah, especially growing up with
(30:24):
nurses, that our parents thatwere nurses, right, like I just
have a whole different outlookon the, the medical industry and
and anyways, from a historicalcontext.
But Absolutely.
Pamela (30:34):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Natalie (30:37):
Anyway, exactly.
Well, you told our listeners tokeep their eyes and ears open
about the book.
We'll have the book coming out.
We'll make sure that we put allof that information on social
media as we start to release,like ebook launch dates and
actual book sale dates.
We'll get all of that in yourhands.
We are really excited.
I mean, we are literally kneesdeep in it, but it's exciting.
(30:57):
We're still having fun.
It's not there's I don't thinkthat there's any challenges.
We're still having a good timein doing it.
Pamela (31:02):
We're going to get it.
It's not been one of thosethings.
Oh, we got to do that.
It's been because it's such apersonal.
So it makes it exciting and I'ma little excited about putting
author underneath my name.
Natalie (31:16):
That too.
That too.
I don't know if there's anymore room underneath.
I know I was just thinkingabout that.
Pamela (31:22):
I'm like okay, let's see here.
Professional speaker coach yes.
Master author yes exactly.
Natalie (31:32):
It's like and and yes, there's a, there will be some.
We're going to need some morespace.
Well, I, I'm I'm not going toneed, I'm going to free up space
towards the end of the day,which is a different
announcement.
Pamela (31:46):
I think I'm the same way .
It's like there's going to besome stuff that's got to be like
.
Okay, thank you, but I'mevolving into the next chapter.
Natalie (31:53):
Exactly.
Pamela (31:53):
Yeah, and I don't know what that's going to be.
Natalie (31:55):
And it's going to be amazing.
Whatever it is, it's going tobe amazing it is going to be.
Pamela (32:03):
That's the best part of life is we don't know where this
path is going to take us.
But, man, it's fun to just bein the moment right now and
experiencing it, and not so muchfocusing on the end, but just
focusing on the journey.
That's kind of a hundredpercent.
Natalie (32:15):
A hundred percent, oh my gosh, I love it.
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