May 2, 2025 • 47 mins
Today we welcome Karl Vaters to the podcast.
Karl has served in a small church ministry for 40 years, with a handful of pastoral experiences. He is the author of numerous books and hosts a bi-weekly podcast - The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith & Ministry.
He is the author of De-Sizing the Church: How the Church Growth Movement Became Science, then an obsession, and what’s next.
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