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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Here are three
things that successful women
shouldn't say if they're tryingto save their marriage.
Now, here's the thing (00:05):
the term
successful women, I get it.
Sometimes it's a little bitcringeworthy, but here's what I
mean by that term.
I'm talking about women who tendto be the primary income earner,
the primary breadwinner in theirhomes.
This is happening more and morein today's society.
And it's not what has been thenorm over the past several
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decades and centuries, right?
We know this.
And so it's making a difference.
And marriages are sometimesreally struggling with this.
And there is a really goodreason why that I'm going to
explain to you in just a minute.
My name is Kimberly Beam Holmes,and I'm the CEO here at Marriage
Helper.
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And to be honest, I currently amthe primary income earner in my
own marriage and in my own home.
And I have been for the pastseveral years, probably actually
the past maybe close to a decadeat this point, since my husband
got out of the army.
And so this is something that Iand my husband have experienced
firsthand.
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So I understand you wives.
I understand the tensions thatyou feel.
I understand the things that yougo through.
And I'm going to speak to thosetoday because here's what I
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this can be a very lonely
place to be.
Because you already don't havevery many friends.
You don't know who you can talkto about this because you
already feel like it's a bit ofa taboo topic.
And when you have tried to talkabout it before, it's been with
people who haven't understoodbecause you're too busy to be
friends with people who areother C level leaders in that
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kind of position.
I have met at least five peoplein the past year who have been
in similar situations as me, andwe have all shared the same type
of sentiments.
Number one, it's hard to do whatwe do.
And number two, it can be verystressful on our marriages.
I interviewed someone a coupleof years ago on my podcast, and
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he was talking about how thereare some statistics that you
could look at that say that whenwomen are the primary income
earners in the home, that thosemarriages might be experiencing
a higher rate of divorce.
I have a theory behind this, andit goes right along with what
I'm gonna explain about what weneed to understand about men and
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how we approach this situationwhen we are the ones who are
bringing in more money.
And I'm gonna get to that injust a minute.
But here's what I want you tohear.
I clearly support women.
I clearly support women inleadership.
I am a woman in leadership, andI don't think that it is
marriage-ending for a woman tomake more money than her
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husband.
However, there are a lot ofthings you need to understand.
Are there a lot?
Actually, there may just be acouple of key things that you
really need to understand.
So let's dive into what that is.
First of all, we have tounderstand and become very aware
of the fact that men are primedbiologically, the way that God
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made them.
They are primed to have a strongdesire to protect and provide.
That is the number one thingthat they desire to do.
Even if we think back to likePaleolithic times, if you want
to even think back there, howmen went out to be the hunters.
They went to go out and provide,to bring food back to their
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family, back to the village, andto be the protectors of that
family and of that village.
Whereas women, we arebiologically primed.
We are made in such a way thatour role, our God-given like
inner talent, if you want tothink of it that way, is to
nurture.
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We're way more social, way moresocially inclined, and we have a
stronger desire to like be awareof the social cues around us to
fit in to social situations andto nurture.
We have that strong desire.
Now, this can make extremelypowerful women leaders, as you
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are, because we have that innateability.
And please, like, don't hear metalking and thinking that I
think that I am the best, thebest leader or the most
successful woman.
I for sure don't think that.
I know that I have a lot ofareas of growth, but it's how
it's one of the reasons thatwomen leaders can be so
powerful, because of the waythat God made us to see things
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that men just tend to not seeand to create a more nurturing
environment.
However, how does this apply toour marriages?
So in our marriages, we now havea man who is primed to provide
and protect.
That is how God has wired him.
And we have a woman who isprimed to nurture and love and
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care.
That doesn't mean that men don'tnurture and love and care, and
it doesn't mean that women alsodon't have some desire to also
provide and protect, but youhave to understand, like there
are differences and there'sbiological differences into how
our brains function and whatlights up more in male versus
female brains and all of thosethings, which I'm not gonna get
into right now because I've justgiven you the big, the big
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buckets of it, the bigfoundations of each of them.
So here is the key.
If men are primed to have thatdrive and desire, but the woman
in the marriage is the oneactually doing more of the quote
unquote financial provision,then men are already feeling
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insecure.
There are some men that want tobe stay-at-home dads, and I
think that's great.
But there are many men who stillhave this drive and desire and
feel less than if they feel thattheir wives are the ones
outperforming them.
This is the key we need tounderstand as women.
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And so there are three thingsthat you should not say if you
are the primary income providerto your family, because it's
going to make the situationworse.
Number one, I make the money, Iget to make the decisions.
Now I want you to hear me.
I would also tell men who arethe primary income earners to
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never say that to their wives.
Because here's the thing (06:33):
once
you're married, it all goes into
one pot, or at least it should.
You should have a combined bankaccount.
You should be sharing yourfinances.
What's mine is his, what's hisis mine.
Therefore, I should never say tomy husband, I make more money,
so I'm gonna make this financialdecision.
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Because it doesn't matter whomakes more money.
It doesn't matter if it's me, itdoesn't matter if it's him.
We get to make every decisiontogether.
And if I try and and just holdthat over his head as a way to
try and control, which wasexactly what that statement
does, then not only does he feelcontrolled, but he is
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emasculated through that.
So we never want to say anythingthat even alludes to since you
don't make as much as I do, youdon't have as much of a voice.
Number one, that shouldn't betrue either way, whether it's
the husband or the wife whobrings in more money.
And number two, you are a team.
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That is what marriage is for, tobe a team.
The second thing that I wouldadvise you not to say to your
husband is you're not doingenough or you need to pull more
weight.
And listen, that might beexactly how you feel.
In fact, many of the women thatI've met over the past couple of
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years that are in this uniquebit of a situation have admitted
that sometimes they have feltthat way.
I have sometimes felt that wayin the past and held that as
resentment towards my husband.
But here's what I found when weactually talked about these
things, which can be very touchysubjects to talk about, because
we already know that this can besomething that is more of a
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triggering point for husbands.
So it can be a difficultconversation to even really get
into and really vulnerably talkabout.
But once my husband were and Iwere able to open up and talk
about this, I realized that Iwas only seeing my point of
view.
I was seeing how I was cominghome from a hard day at work,
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and I would see how there wasstill dishes in the sink, there
were still clothes to be putaway, there were still kids who
needed help with their homework.
And all I could see was, youhaven't been working all day
like I have.
Why didn't you get these thingsdone?
I felt overwhelmed, maybe even abit lonely.
And perhaps you feel this waytoo.
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Now, here's what I don't wantyou to hear me saying, because
this is not what I'm saying.
I am not saying you just have tosuck it up and do it all in
order to be in a healthymarriage and happy marriage.
No, because you wouldn't be in ahealthier, happy marriage.
You would just be pushing downyour resentments like I had been
doing.
And so what I found was thatwhen my husband and I actually
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were able to talk about it, Irealized I had only been seeing
things from my point of viewinstead of trying to understand
his perspective, the things thathe had been working on each day,
the things he had taken care of.
And in fact, that was somethinghe very clearly voiced to me.
He said, Kimberly, I would lovefor you to try and show
appreciation for the things thatI do, instead of always just
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focusing on the things you feellike I don't.
And here's the crazy thingthings began to change.
First of all, I learned how todo that, realizing that when I
came home in a stressed state, Iwas more likely to be critical.
You know how this is.
You're overwhelmed, and guesswhat?
At work, that's what part ofyour job is to notice the things
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that are undone and to try andget other people to do them, to
help them figure out the thingsto get done and to make sure
they get done.
Your house is not your business.
Your house is not your work.
Just like when my husband was inthe military and he would come
home and bark orders around, hehad to learn our home was not
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his military unit and I was nota soldier.
We cannot bring our work homewith us and expect to be the
same person at work that we areat home.
It's a marriage.
It is different.
While a lot of the relationshipprinciples that we teach at
Marriage Helper can be appliedto so many different situations,
your marriage is still the mostimportant earthly relationship
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and it's different than anyother.
Therefore, it deserves the mostattention, the most care, and
the most, dare I say the word,submission on both sides.
So here's what that looks like.
Instead of saying you're notpulling your weight, start
focusing on what your husband isdoing that's helping you out and
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thank him for it.
Help him feel appreciated andlike he is doing something to
provide and to protect.
Once you start doing that and hebegins to feel respected by you,
it's going to be so much easierto work together as a team.
And it's going to be easier tobe able to tell him in the
future when you get home fromwork after a hard day, hey, I
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need help with the dishestonight and do that together.
The third thing that I wouldrecommend that you never say to
your husband is, why don't youjust become fill in the blank?
Why don't you just become astay-at-home dad?
Why don't you just try to go andbecome a realtor?
Why don't you go do this, that,or the other?
You don't get to choose whatyour husband should do with his
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life when it comes to a career.
You should support, you shouldencourage, you should ask
questions, you should be thesounding board, you should be,
as the word in the Bible says,the helpmate.
And here's what that means (12:12):
a
strength equal to his own.
You should be a sharpening toolfor each other.
Literally, both ways.
I'm not saying that you shouldjust keep your mouth shut and
let your husband do whatever hewants to do.
But if your husband feels likeyou're not gonna truly accept
him or love him unless he doeswhat you want him to do, it's
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continuing that cycle.
It's continuing the cycle of I'mthe one who's in control and you
should do what I say.
And that doesn't make a healthymarriage on either part, on
either part.
I would say the exact same thingto husbands.
But I'm talking to you as wivesbecause I understand how it can
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feel.
I understand how it can feellike you, the whole world and
the weight of the world is onyour shoulders.
And unfortunately, I have seensome of my friends who have been
the successful wives, the onesbringing in more money, the ones
climbing the corporate ladder orrunning their own businesses.
And I've watched their marriagescrumble and fall apart, even
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when they were trying, becausetheir husbands just couldn't
ever feel fully respected.
And that's what we need to helpdo.
That's the that is theenvironment that we need to help
foster in our homes because it'swhat leads to a healthy
marriage.
There's three reasons thatmarriages fall apart.
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It's because one or both peopledon't feel liked, loved, or
respected.
And here's what I can guess.
If you are a leader, if you arerunning your own business, if
you're in the C-suite and you'rea woman, you value respect.
You value getting things done.
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You want to make a difference.
You don't even care about themoney, more than likely.
You just care about having animpact and being able to add
value in the world.
And you want it all.
You want to be able to make thatimpact and have an amazing
marriage and be able to be agreat mom to your kids.
And you're already carrying alot of guilt.
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Because every day you come towork, there's a small part of
you that thinks, am I doing theright thing?
But you just know that you haveso much to give to the world and
you want to do it.
And I'm here to tell you thatyou can, but there are costs.
You can, but there are thingsthat you need to be aware of.
You can, but please don't letyour success at work be the
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downfall of your marriage andyour kids.
You're gonna have to realizethat you are constrained.
You can't do everythingperfectly.
And so you're gonna have to pickand choose what you want to do
best.
I think what you should want todo best is invest in your
marriage.
Secondly, invest in your kids.
And third, focus on yourbusiness.
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Don't let it be the thing thatis running your identity because
it's going to one day not bethere.
But your husband will, your kidswill.
So, how can you show up at homein a way that shows that you
like, love, and respect thepeople that you live with?
I know it's hard, but the thingsthat we teach here at Marriage
Helper can help you do this.
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So be sure to subscribe.
There's so much on our channelabout how you can say things
differently about how to stoppushing your husband away and
how to start pulling and evenmore.
So be sure to subscribe.
Be sure to share this videomaybe with a fellow successful
wife and friend that you havethat could find value as well.
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And I'd love to hear your storybelow.
Leave a comment and let me knowhave you struggled with this
feeling?
Where have you felt stuck?
And what have you learned fromthis video that's going to make
a change to how you show up athome?
Until next time, remember, thereis always hope.