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July 4, 2025 40 mins

John talks with Kelly Greene — certified health and resilience coach, attorney, lecturer at Cumberland University, certified consulting hypnotist, Safe and Sound Protocol clinical provider, Enneagram and Big Five personality specialist, author, entrepreneur, and proud wife, mom, and bonus mom. 

Listen to this episode to learn more:

[00:00] - Intro

[00:36] - Kelly’s bio

[03:09] - Kelly’s journey of chronic illness and healing

[06:37] - Books that changed Kelly’s perspective on her chronic illness

[12:37] - What is resilience

[14:30] - Difference between grit and resilience

[15:19] - The bouncy ball analogy

[20:39] - Working through pain, not avoiding it

[24:00] - Story from John’s favorite book

[26:43] - The Butterfly analogy for growth

[31:28] - God had to destroy me to rebuild me

[32:43] - Post-traumatic growth

[36:38] - You only learn when you fail

[38:54] - Being strong at the broken places

NOTABLE QUOTES:

“The only way out is through.”

“I’m gonna quit being the person that I think all of you want me to be. I’m gonna be the person that I’m made to be, born to be.”

“Resilience is simply just the absence of negative effects of trauma.”

“What’s on the other side of your pain is so much better than you could possibly imagine.”

“The caterpillar cannot fly if it doesn’t struggle to work its way out of the cocoon. That’s how it becomes strong enough to spread those wings and fly.”

“Being resilient doesn’t mean that you weren’t affected. It means there’s no lasting effect.”

“We have far bigger opportunities for growth after we’ve shattered than we would have had we been resilient to start with.”

“The world breaks everyone, but some are strong at the broken places.”

“When it comes to learning, you don’t learn a thing if you do something right, because you already knew how to do it. The only time you have the opportunity to learn is when you fail.”

“The shattering is not the end of the story. The shattering is an opportunity.”

“God will do whatever it takes to get us where He wants us to be.”

“There is a time in everyone’s life when you will shatter. And if you can’t think of it, you either haven’t gone through it or you’re lying to yourself.”

BOOKS MENTIONED:

USEFUL RESOURCES:

https://holisticresilience.com/

https://kellygreeneelrodtherapy.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellygreene-holisticresilience/

https://www.instagram.com/kellygreene.me/

https://www.facebook.com/kellygreene.holisticresilience

https://www.facebook.com/kelly.greene.elrod

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EPISODE CREDITS

Intro and Outro music provided by Jeff Scheetz - https://jeffscheetz.com/ 

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