How Live Music, Discipline, And Real Friendships Shape An Artist

Become a Relative & send some love

An artist, one small-room origin story, and a hard-earned belief that relationships outlast numbers. We open with NonPareil open mic at Jirani, where song choice taught us the stakes of a room and live bands pushed him beyond backing tracks. From church keys and family jam sessions to SoundCloud Fridays and DMV road-test feedback, we map the indie grind that turns taste into craft and stage nerves into presence.

The mood shifts when a DUI derails the plan, and two weeks in county produce unexpected clarity. Writing in a cramped routine birthed the Rehab album—introspective, honest, and fueled by the promise to never let pain go to waste. We get practical about drinking smarter, setting boundaries at parties, and building systems that keep autopilot from running your life. Then fatherhood arrives, and everything sharpens. A four-year-old son becomes the reason to finish a 15-track project called Situationships, a raw look at how people can become vices and how purpose breaks the loop.

We geek out on mixtape culture, missing originals, and why curation still shapes taste—Wiz’s Cabin Fever, Gucci deep cuts, and the frustration of reordered tracklists. AI sneaks into the studio as a fast demo ally, not a soul replacement. We talk Suno experiments, the “feel” only live players bring, and why multiple takes and real direction matter. If you’re an artist or a fan who cares about songwriting, production, and the craft behind a great performance, this one’s for you. Hit play, share it with a friend who needs the nudge, and tap that follow. If the conversation moved you, leave a review and tell us the one relationship that’s shaped your art the most.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_03 (00:30):
All right, y'all, y'all.
We back.
We back with another episode ofRelationships Worth More than
Money.
I'm Tweezy.
Who do I got to the left of me?
It's your boy Nan Perel, man.

SPEAKER_01 (00:38):
9P.
We in here.

SPEAKER_03 (00:40):
9P.
What's good, bro?

SPEAKER_01 (00:42):
Man, chilling, bro.
Yeah.
I mean, we say in chilling, youknow, be how we work, but yeah.
It's cool though, man.
I feel like settled.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (00:52):
Yeah, first and foremost, man.
Um, I always do like like uh ifwe met somewhere or anything,
like you know, how we met, Iwould say, I always do that.
Let's do that.
Like, how how did we meet?
Dang.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05):
Oh, you got me thinking.
Yeah, got me thinking because Ifeel like we met a few times.
The first time we met, was it itwasn't through Frank, was it?
It was through Frank.
Frank the Connect, bro.
Frank the Connect, bro.
Yeah, that's crazy.

(01:26):
Where was we at?

SPEAKER_03 (01:27):
Shout out to Frank.
Uh we were was it Girani?

SPEAKER_01 (01:31):
Was it was it some fan swap stuff?

SPEAKER_03 (01:33):
Or was it uh before fan swap?
Before fanswap.
Yeah, it was before fan swap.
Wow, damn, we didn't even likethat's a minute.
Because think about it, bro.
I moved I moved to Manassas in2017.
Okay, yeah, 2017, 2018.
Yeah, when I moved there,actually it was Manassas Park
first.
I moved in with Cadeen, and thenI got my own spot.

(01:54):
Did we get it an open mic?
Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:58):
Because I was still in Manassas at that time,
because I didn't move to Wibristill like 2019.
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'msaying.

SPEAKER_03 (02:05):
So, like, um it's crazy.
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
Wow, yeah.
We was at an open mic, I thinkyou was you were performing.
Frank, of course, was the host.
Frank the host.
Yeah, um, shout out to Gironni.
Shout out Ken.
Shout out Ken, man.
Will.

unknown (02:25):
What's Will?

SPEAKER_03 (02:26):
Aunt Jackie.
Yeah, Aunt Jackie, man.
With them cheese sticks.
Sweet pearl cheesecakes, man.
If y'all don't know, hey, go upto Manassas, Google in Gerani
Coffee House.
That's it.
And that's it.
Like, that's all you gotta do.
Just Google that, and thecheesecake's gonna be right
there in the little bakeriespart of the of the section of

(02:48):
you know the coffee house.

SPEAKER_00 (02:49):
Yo, I feel like I feel like I've I've shouted out
sweet pearls on like a couple ofpodcasts.
You got to, man.
You brought it up because that'swild.

SPEAKER_03 (02:57):
You got to, bro.
That drink changed, bro.
I love cheesecake.
I'm a dessert guy.
So like um, when I had sweetpearls, bro, I was like, oh my
God.
And it wasn't just no typicalcheesecake.
It wasn't, you know what I'msaying?
It was different type ofvarieties of it.
And it was like, bro, thecheesecake was was plentiful.

SPEAKER_01 (03:16):
Bro, I'm not a sweet dude like that, but anything
apple, I rock with.
She had the apple caramel joint.
Crack.

SPEAKER_00 (03:27):
Crack.

SPEAKER_01 (03:28):
Wow.
I said, yo, this don't tastebetter than juniors cheesecake.
That's the only thing.
I said, I said, no, I said, yougot juniors out the way.
Yeah, juniors be getting peopleout the way.
Yeah.
Woo!

SPEAKER_03 (03:38):
But juniors ain't messing with sweet pearls.
It ain't messing with sweetpearls.
I'm sorry.
It ain't messing with CheesecakeFactory either.
But sweet pearls.
Sweet pearls is.
Sweet pearls giving CheesecakeFactory a run.
For real.
Because that's that's one of thebest, the best out.
Um outside of uh Gironde, bro,and how we met, what what um
tell the people about yourself,man?

(03:59):
Because I know.

SPEAKER_01 (04:00):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 (04:01):
But I want you to to, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (04:02):
Man, um, shoot, man.
I've been man, I what's funny iswe're talking about Girani.
Girani is like the first place Istarted doing like my own music.
Like I I would like kind ofhype, man, one of my boys, uh
Shaw de Brove, who was doinglike rap.
Actually, at the time, he hadtransitioned from doing uh just
regular hip hop to likeChristian rap.

(04:24):
And so I was just supportingeverything he was doing from
going to Atlanta, meetingpeople, doing that was you know,
pushing magazines and pushingcontent.
And yeah, um, I want to say thempeople was what was they?
It don't matter what their namewas, but they was going crazy in
the Christian hip-hop world.
And um, and then like we wasdoing different places.

(04:44):
Um, we did a venue with ToddTribbit, met Tri Chip at one of
them.
Um, but I was just like helpinghim out pretty much putting
something together.
And then um Kim was like, bro,you should start doing your own
stuff, man.
I heard you do a little bit.
Say, bro, I don't know, man.
I ain't I don't really I don'tsing like that because I know
singers, you know, like realsingers.
Exactly.
Like I can hear music, I canhold a note, but uh and I I felt

(05:09):
like bro Veg raps.
Like I ain't really a rapper,but I just make music, bro.
I just feel like I just feellike I'm an instrument on the
beats.
So I just started doing it andum did an open mic, a couple
open mics, little covers.
Uh I remember I did a cover foruh Girani, and it was like fold
and clothes, and J.
Cole just dropped fold andclothes.
Yeah, I did a fold and clothescover and did my own lyrics, and

(05:32):
that joint went crazy.
I just started dropping songs onSoundCloud every Friday for like
two weeks straight.
Like, no, like two months?
Yeah, about two months straight.
And I would test the joints outby Go ahead and say it, bro.

SPEAKER_03 (05:47):
Yo, go ahead and say it.

SPEAKER_01 (05:48):
I would give roads so I used to work at DMV, right?
And I would do road tests.
And you know, if you feel likethe person could drive, you're
like, all right, I really gottatest you.
Like, you good.
You just you know had the DUI,you had something that like you
just retesting.
Right.
So I just play some music, I'mlike, yo, who this?
I'm like, no, that's that's myjob.
I just dropped it this morning.
So every Saturday morning, Iwould just do that job.

(06:09):
Oh, smart.
And that joint built my littleSoundCloud up a little bit.
Yeah, and people would ask whereyou'd be.
I'm like, Yeah, I'll go toGerani.
So Girani just became a spotthat we used to open like that,
and it was a good trainingground for like performances and
stuff for real.

SPEAKER_03 (06:21):
Yeah, man.
Um that's that's pretty dope.
Because I mean, why not add yourmusic to what you got going on
at work?
And DMV means Department ofMotor Vehicles.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
For that, for y'all, for y'allthat's like.
For y'all that don't know,because I was one of the ones
that didn't know what DMV meant.
I thought it was, you know.
I didn't know what it was,because they're like, yo, that's

(06:42):
when you go get your license andstuff.
I'm like, ours is called theSecretary of the State.
Don't ask why, Michigan.
No, that's a little different.
It's different, but you know,um, and and then now in Maryland
it's called the MVA.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's it's different no matterwhat state you go to, but that's
super dope that you even likethought of that.
You know what I mean?

(07:03):
Be creative to just get yourmusic out there to test the
people's ears without going infront of like a big audience or
or or a girani audience, becauseGirani audience is more um, how
can you say it?
It's it's it's a it's a vibe.
It's a it's a chill vibe.
It's just certain vibe.
Yeah, unless they throwing likea concert, then it'll be a whole
bunch of people in there.

SPEAKER_01 (07:23):
But you know, not for nothing.
That's what kind of got me intosaying I'm just gonna do, like,
that's what got me into doinglike more like live music.
So you you know, like if I do ashow most times, I'm not using
tracks.
I like live music because I'm amusician anyway.
I play keys, like grew upplaying with the church.
Like, you know, my family's allmusicians.
So like for me, I'm just like,man, I need something live.

(07:44):
And that setting, I tried to doa hype song one time in there.

unknown (07:50):
Didn't know what happened.

SPEAKER_01 (07:51):
The thing is, it goes.
Like, if you go to like one ofthem joints and somebody invites
you, hey yo, perform at my junk.
I got this junk going on at myspot, it goes crazy, right?
Girani, you had to figure outwhat this room is is really
about to feel right now.
So that got me better with songselection and curating that.
You gotta learn from everything,bro.

SPEAKER_03 (08:10):
Yeah, it's like you said, it's it's definitely the
ground, the groundwork.
Girani is definitely thegroundwork for you to get
anywhere when it comes to music.
And now that you spoke aboutthat, let's touch on that that
part of uh you being a musician,bro, because a lot of people
don't know it.
You know what I'm saying?
Like when I met you, we linkedup, and next thing you know, we
was at the we was at your crib.

(08:32):
Yeah, make it beat.
You pulled the keyboard out, Ihad the beat machine, I had the
laptop.
Because I didn't know you wasinto the drums like that either.
I said, what?
Oh yeah, yeah.
So yeah, talk about it, man.
Like, yeah, man.
Where did the where did the thecreativity from music come
start?
Like, where did it start at?

SPEAKER_01 (08:50):
Like, yeah, if you go to like a Thanksgiving from
my family, you'll have, youknow, uh a couple people
singing, a couple people, youhave a bass, a guitar, somebody
on a saxophone, like everybodyjust do something.
Right.
I just happen to have an ear tohear all of that at the same
time.
So it got me into likeproduction.

(09:10):
You know, I don't do as muchproduction like only me.
I'm more like collab producenow.
You know what I'm saying?
But like it, like I know whatI'm trying to hear from every
instrument.
So, like, between that andhaving singers, like, I just
have an ear.
I could like teach somebody howto sing a song.
Yeah.
So I can get anybody to doanything on the track that I
need, but I know my weaknesses,bro.

(09:31):
So like I don't I don't try tooverdo it.
Like, even the first time Itried to sing a record on a
record, I was nervous in themud, bro.
So I was like, I don't reallysing, but I could hit this
little faucet on this show.
Yeah.
I did a song called All on myfirst project, and the ladies
liked it.
I said, Oh, snap, this might bea little bit.
So, you know, fast forward.
I got a whole lot more singingon this new joint.

SPEAKER_03 (09:53):
Yeah, and so you you you never like went to school
and learned how to play music,you just learned from the
family.

SPEAKER_01 (10:00):
Pretty much, bro.
I so I went, I was going to achurch, and the the guy that
played the keys, he was like aminister, but he was in the
military.
So he got stationed out in likeHouston or San Antonio or
something.
So it was just a void.
I just started playing, pickingup on it on Sundays, and my mom
happened to have a keyboard likeat the house, but she knows she

(10:22):
wasn't really playing it.
My mom was just she just had it.
So I started messing around, andjust whatever I heard them sing,
I would just find out where theywas what they was doing and just
start playing it.
So, like, I mean, I've I know Iwasn't good at first, but like
it was just like I had trainingground to do it and just taught
myself how to do it.
So me and this dude, Gary, weboth was playing keys, which

(10:42):
he's crazy.
Like he's one of them, like heused to study YouTube every
night.
Like, how's he doing that?
How's he doing that?
I only just listen.
Right.
And I that's like it worked out,it's a reason why, but you know,
if I can go back to that, Iwould have gone to school or
something.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (10:57):
I said I said, hey, listen, bro, I said that all the
time.
Like, if if I could like, well,you know, I I did go to school,
a performing art school.
So, you know what I'm saying?
Like, I know how to read drums,read music, read the notes, man.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
But if I could go back, I wouldhave played in the band in high
school.
You know what I'm saying?
That's Bill Smith.

(11:17):
Um, and man, even just learningthat alone, uh the drums never
left.
So like that's why I always tellpeople like if I can't get a
melody right then and there,should I hit you up?
I hit S up, I hit somebody up.

SPEAKER_05 (11:30):
Yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 (11:31):
And and and I uh create create it from there.
And then now, you know, you gotso many outlets that you can go
to.
You got a lot of packages.
You know what I mean?
Everybody I used to buy packsfrom like producers, uh-huh, and
now I just can go on splice andall of the other uh make my own
now.
You know what I'm saying?
And then, you know, I'm big onthe sampling too, so yeah, you

(11:53):
know, that's that's always beena thing.
But you um you started in achurch playing, well, started at
the house.
Yeah, really.
You know what I mean?
Thanksgiving and just playing,then you you you honed in on
your craft in church.
Yeah, yeah.
What what got you to this levelnow?

SPEAKER_01 (12:11):
Um I realized that um I enjoy writing.
Like I always enjoy writing.
Yeah.
And um, but I feel like I waslike I wrote like poetry, but I
wouldn't like share it.
I just would write some bars,whatever, and do it like that.

(12:34):
Remember back in the day, likeeverybody freestyle.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Back in the day, everybody'd beoutside at the football game or
whatever the case wouldn't be inhigh school or whatever, you
wasn't playing football, you wasrunning around trying to talk to
the girls from their way team orthe home team, yeah, or whoever
you couldn't get in school, andthen you would go behind the
bleachers and start rapping, andeverybody would just be rapping,
and the older heads are smokingor whatever, they just be

(12:56):
rapping.
So, fast forward, like anytimeyou was outside with a group of
poop dudes, like you y'all wasjust rapping.
And it wasn't nobody reallygood, everybody was just
rapping.
But it got me into like gettingused to it and the patterns, um,
stuff like that.
But yeah, I mean, between that,starting to write, and uh when I
did that exercise with SoundClub, I was doing every week, I

(13:17):
would write the song on Sundaynight, and then I would go to
the studio with Zoe on likeTuesday.
Yeah.
On Friday, we would mix it, andSaturday I put it out.
So it was like making me learnhow to write faster and close
out songs instead of just likehaving like bro, you can see I
got a songbook right now.
It's got at least like 340songs.
I ain't finished 340 songs, butit's just a whole bunch of

(13:39):
starter stuff.
But if you ain't got nodiscipline and just close out
something, you just have a wholebunch of thoughts and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (13:44):
So, but sometimes those thoughts can you can
always go back to them passionwhen you get a new idea.
Because that's how it is with mefor creating beats.
Like, I like create something,I'd be like, I don't know how I
feel about it.
Instead of deleting it, I justget back to it.
And it it might not be the nextday, it'd be months, years, like
like this new album.

(14:04):
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, some of them beats liketwo, two, three years old.
One is one is like Voices in MyHead by Namari.
Shout out the bangers.
Um, that joint, I did a beatcompetition in um maybe like

(14:25):
2019, 2020, and I used that beatand I won a competition.
It was like a it was like an uhonline thing with my homies.
Um uh who was it?
Who was a competition?
It was Noelle, it was Noe andher pops.
And they was two producers.
Okay.
They two produ they was code,they code.

(14:46):
Like they when it comes to likeman, when it comes to like
sampling, yeah, they they dope.
Um yeah, her dad, her dad is issuper dope, man.
And um they had a competitionand I I won it, and I don't know
if I won like a plug-in orsomething, uh-huh, but I sent it
to Namari, and he was like, Oh,he was like, bro, send me the

(15:09):
stems.
Okay.
So as soon as he said that,yeah, I already knew he was
about to take that drink to awhole nother way.
You know what I'm saying?
Shout out to Texas 2.
And he flipped the whole jointfrom what I flipped, like you
know what I'm saying?
And I was like, oh, this jointcrazy.
Dang.
So um, yeah, man, I think thatthat just in general, man, just
having that that air for things,you know, you can you can just

(15:32):
create and create and create andcome back to it, create again.
Uh-huh.
So yeah, that's that's that'sone of the ones, man.
You you gotta have in yourarsenal when you create.

SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
Don't nothing's trash, you know.
Nothing, nothing's trash, butyeah, because it's almost good
to be a hoarder when you're amusician, because at least you
got stuff in the tug, whatever,bro.
Or like if somebody just ranlike need a verse, you can at
least get a start.
Like, I got two bars somewherethat can get me going.
Yeah, you go gone.
But I'll go back to yourquestion, though.
The original question, like, Ithink what really got me going
for real in the music was one ofmy brothers.

(16:05):
Um, not like I'm an only child,but my my biological, um, so I
don't have no biologicalbrothers, but he was like a
little brother to me, right?
He um was a fire poet.
Like, bruh, he passed away in acar accident.
He was probably like 22, I wantto say, 23.
One of them.
Um, and shout out to uh JoeMemorial Fund, too.

(16:28):
Because they uh we got we do alot of stuff with them.
They actually just had an eventdown in North Carolina this past
weekend.
Um, and they just shout out likeand just like give scholarships
to like up and coming musiciansand stuff like that, and like
performer arts people.
And they do it, do a lot, man.
Shout out to them.
But um, he passed away in a caraccident, and um while they were

(16:49):
building Girani.
So like I had yo, I was like,yo, come down here, stay with
me, and this junk get poppin',bro.
You're gonna be out of here,right?
Yeah.
Nobody even knew he could singfor real, except for me and like
two other people.
But this dude sang like MichaelJackson type, like he just hit
different stuff that like onlycertain people hit notes like

(17:11):
this.
Right.
So he but nobody knew he sung,but people knew he was a fire
spoken word artist and likesuper introvert, so he ain't
come alive until he walked onstage like one of them.

SPEAKER_03 (17:20):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (17:21):
Um he went crazy and he passed away, but I feel like
was prematurely.
I mean, only God knows, but Ifeel like when Geronni opened, I
was like, I'm not about to letwhatever I got in me go to
waste.
I might think it's not fire, butlet's see, let's see what's up.
Yeah, and I started puttingmusic out and people started

(17:42):
rocking with it.

SPEAKER_03 (17:43):
So and and um with that, the music, the music never
dies.
Yeah.
That's one thing.
Like I I I had got into a uh youknow what I'm saying, where I
ain't want to do no music nomore.
You know what I'm saying?
Loyalty, loyalty wasn't there.
Um, you you lose you losefriends, yeah, you lose family

(18:07):
members, you know what I'msaying?
Yeah, loyal blood, blood andnon-blood family members.
And and um I just didn't want todo music no more.
But it's like music kept megoing in the worst times.
That's all you got.
When I was in Iraq, bro, like meand Kaden, bro, we was uh
sharing music, and and and heybro, you heard this dude.

(18:29):
Hey, double XL said Gucci thenext one up.
Yeah, double XL said Jeezy thenext one up.
You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 (18:35):
So you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 (18:36):
When you when all you have sometimes is just music
when everything else hit thefan, yeah.
It's like music never goes away.
You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 (18:45):
It's it's crazy, man.
I was gonna I'm shooting we wewe in here now.
Now now we really in here, butthe um you remember the rehab
album I put out during thepandemic?
Yep.
So them hats was fire too.
Oh man, appreciate it.
But somebody asked about one onSaturday, man.
That's on my list.

SPEAKER_03 (19:04):
Them was the best merch joints you had.
Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_01 (19:06):
Them jumps was, I'm not gonna lie, like I like the
truckers just because I wastrying to do something
different, but those rehabjoints.

SPEAKER_03 (19:11):
Yeah, them distress joints.

SPEAKER_01 (19:13):
Yeah, them joints was vest, and because they was
all customized, like everybodyhad a one-on-one.
It was fire, bro.
Um, but yeah, that era, likebefore that, um, I was in um, I
had got a job, like maybe I hadgot an IT anyway.
And so like I had got like oneof the best jobs I ever had.

(19:34):
I'm at a company happy hour.
Bro, they're like, hey, anybodyneed an Uber?
You know, they joke about likethe white people be like, oh
anybody got an Uber?
I'll call an Uber.
But they had it.
They was like, yo, yeah, blah,blah.
Like, if y'all need an Uber, wecan get Uber y'all back, leak
your cars in the garage.
I get a text message and justgo.

(19:56):
You know how your brain justbeing on autopilot?
Yeah.
Like they was legit about tocome back down and order Ubers,
and I get a text, and my brainjust forget about it and just go
get to my car.
Get my car, drive out.
I'm at the light.
Andre, I'm just working onArnold at the time, so I'm not
used to like pedestrians justwalking whenever they, you know
what I'm saying?
I wasn't used to that whole likething.

(20:16):
The lights green, normally youjust go.
Yeah.
I'm looking at my ways.
I put the ways in, like, allright, let me figure out where
to go.
Number one, don't ever drink anddrive it.
I should just chill anyway.
But I make the left.
I look up, oh, hit the brakes,boom, bump a lady in the
crosswalk.
Mind you, the lady, she wasn'treally hurt.

(20:39):
Yeah.
But whoever was around her waslike, hey, stay down, stay down,
stay down.
They was all wine drunk orsomething like that.
Anyway, I go through this bigthing.
Um, end up having to go toAllens County Station, blah
blah.
They hold me overnight.
I'm thinking, yo, I lost my job.
Everything done for it, right?
Um fast forward, luckily, likethe owner and everything was

(21:00):
looking out for me.
He was fighting for me,whatever.
He even wrote a letter when Iwas like actually have my court
trial.
Yeah.
Um speed that up.
Ended up having to do two weeksin jail for it because they
ended up making it like DUI, butit could have been like DUI
maiming, which is like a felony.
So they brought it down, but itstill was like, this is a little

(21:22):
excessive, right?
Right.
So I'm in, I'm in, I'm in Allsand County for like two weeks,
just like tripping.
And I started just writing acouple of songs in my head.
I wrote like 9 o'clocksomewhere, I wrote Son of Man,
and I wrote like a lot ofintrospective songs because I
just had time.
Right.
So I was going to go to the gym,eating, betting on games, trying
to exchange some snacks.

(21:42):
It wasn't doing nothing.
Right.
So I I but it got me into thatrehab album, which is like, it
wasn't a dark album, but it wasjust like it had a lot of
introspective on it.
And it pushed me to like adifferent level of artistry.
And it was like, that kind ofboosted me into going like to
that whole space where thosesongs could come out, bro.
I think I think you was gonnacome to I had a listening prize
for the album release party.

(22:02):
Yeah, the same day that uh Trumphad that thing.
So the Trump had the whateverall the MAGA people came out and
started storming the Capitol,right?
That happened that day, bro.
I had to just move my jump to myhouse.

SPEAKER_03 (22:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Crazy.
I remember that.

SPEAKER_01 (22:17):
I remember that.
But um, but that that kind ofsparked like the next level of
like, yeah, yeah, I feel like Ican make albums now.

SPEAKER_03 (22:25):
And you said it, you said it in the um don't drink
and drive.
And you know, like you said, thebrain goes in autopilot.
So yeah.
Um, there's been plenty oftimes, man, I I try to be the
DD.
Um or you know what I'm saying?
I know for sh for a fact, likesomebody about to be blitzed.
Yeah.

(22:45):
You know what I mean?
So um it's always, you know whatI mean?
I try to think and think abouteverybody that's around me too.
Right.
So like with you not havingnobody around you at that time,
well, you did.
You had your your company thatwas trying to put in Ubers.
Right.
What do you think?
Um, what do you think you shouldhave driently?
I mean, I know the obviousanswer.

SPEAKER_01 (23:07):
You know what's crazy?
I I just drunk too much toofast.
Yo, like drinking.
Yeah, mind you, like, you know,the the owner in the company is
like everything's on the house.
So, you know, when it's justlike on the house and you ain't
even counting the dial, you justlike whoever's if you like, hey,
you taking a round, all right.

(23:27):
Bet.
So if four people say we doing around in 45 minutes, while you
drinking margaritas, yeah, yeah,you you blitzed.
You hit it because it hits youso fast, you don't even realize
how litch you are until y'allabout to live in you like, oh
snap.
Yeah, yeah.
It's a little different.
Um, but I have noticed like thispast this past weekend.

(23:49):
I used to Plano and Friends.
Plano and Friends is like that.
Shout out to my homegirl Joe.
Shout out to Jojo Friends, shoutout to all y'all.
And the homies.
Yeah, I'm not gonna name some ofy'all because then somebody's
gonna be mad.
But but uh no comment.
Yeah, but yo, that night, thatday, I was like, yo, I'm gonna
I'ma drink responsibly tonightbecause last time I came to that

(24:11):
JoJo party, I just got a littlelit, right?
Too much lit.
So I said, all right, I chatGPT'd, bro.
Shout out to Chat GPT.
I said, yo, how do I have a goodtime tonight, but don't get
drunk?
What'd it say?
If anybody noticed that night, Ihad a cup in my hand the whole
time.
Yeah.
And I had poured champagne init.

(24:32):
It didn't say champagne, but itwas like, yo, anytime everybody
trying to take a shot, justdon't take the shot every time.
Just you got a cup in your hand,you can just like use it as a
crutch.
I poured a shot at tequila in mychampagne and had like two of
those and drunk that for likethe first three hours of the
party.
Oh, you good?
So I was cool.
So when it was like shot, I waslike, all right, I'll take a

(24:52):
shot now because I'm cool.
Yeah.
But you just you go in thatjoint and start going crazy,
it's over with.
But Chat GP tells you say, keepeating.
It says keep eating.
Make sure you before you go tosleep, eat something again so
you don't have a hangover.
Eat before you get there, eatthat.
I mean, they had some good foodin that joint, bro.
If you ain't eat at that party,you was wilding.
Wildin.
They had the pot seafood pastaon day, the yams, the ribs, the

(25:16):
curry chicken, the uh jerk, thejerk chicken.

SPEAKER_03 (25:19):
I just asked her that jerk chicken yesterday.
Yes, yes.
No, I had leftovers.
Bro, you gotta have theleftovers.

SPEAKER_04 (25:24):
Woo!

SPEAKER_03 (25:25):
Yeah, man.
So you pretty much you say drinkresponsibly.
Drink responsibility, and havesomebody too.

SPEAKER_01 (25:31):
Have like like somebody like this.
I'd like, yo, tweez.
Yeah, make sure, you know whatI'm saying?
If you see me drink a little bitmore, tell me you can show now,
type stuff.
Because you know, also likepeople start stuff, man.
So like you want to besober-minded when things are
going on.
That's what I wanted to do, man.
Just make sure I came in thereand mingle, have fun, get home,
go to sleep.
Yeah, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 (25:51):
And do it again.
Yeah, yeah.
That's that's the most importantpart, man.
So people out there, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Drink responsibly.
Yeah.
Drink in moderation, as one ofmy first sergeants used to say.
Drink in moderation.
Um, just, you know what I mean?
Stay out the way when it comesto like, don't be mixing the

(26:11):
drinks either.
Nah, you gotta you out for thechampagne and well, here's the
thing the champagne and tequila.

SPEAKER_01 (26:18):
It would that I wouldn't suggest that so much,
but it was a zipper though.
Like it was a zipper, so Iwasn't just throwing shots back.
And I don't like mixed drinkslike that.

SPEAKER_03 (26:30):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (26:30):
So for me, like the tequila was almost seltzering it
out a little bit.
I mean, not the tequila, the uhthe champagne, the champagne,
but it but it made me not feellike I needed to take shots.

SPEAKER_03 (26:39):
But that's almost like a French 75 then.

SPEAKER_01 (26:42):
It kind of is.
It kind of is like that.
But it's a drink.
I'm not a drink person, right?
So I don't usually make drinks.
That's why I like have you everseen me at a party before, like
you're like, I'm throwing theshots back.
Like, all right, I'm cool.
Because my tolerance is not agood thing, but like it's pretty
high.
So like I don't really likenotice it until it's like too

(27:02):
far.
But you know, thank God for justdifferent structures in life
now.
Yeah, man, yeah, discipline,man, trying to do things
different, man.

SPEAKER_02 (27:08):
When you, you know, I'm uh I'm I'm past 35 now.
So once you get to your mid-30s,it's like it's different.

SPEAKER_01 (27:17):
You got us, and and now I got a son.

SPEAKER_03 (27:19):
Yeah, I got a four.

SPEAKER_01 (27:20):
That's why you're gonna get on too.
I got a four-year-old, and I Ilive to make sure this man is
probably why I'm what made mecomplete my new album is because
of him.
Like, I don't want him to growup not doing what he needs to
do.
Whatever's in your heart to do,bruh, do it.
And I can't teach him followyour heart and all that other
stuff that we be saying to kidsunless you actually doing it,

(27:42):
yeah, too.
You know what I'm saying?
You gotta be you gotta be adirect representation for your
youngest.
You know what I'm saying?
Yes, I guess kids think youSpider-Man, as far as they're
concerned, like you a superhero,so it's like I'm gonna do what I
gotta do to make sure you good.

SPEAKER_03 (27:55):
Yeah, boys and girls, man, because it's the
same, it's the same all around.
It's the same, man.
That's good, man.
So how how how is fatherhood?

SPEAKER_01 (28:05):
Funny thing about it is when I dropped the rehab
album, my son was he had beenconceived, so he wasn't here
yet, but he was on the way.
I think we had to talk aboutthat, too.
It was it was interesting, man.
Uh I said, huh?

(28:26):
It was a lot going on aroundthat time, man.
That's this that's that's thecrazy part.
That when you got a question,it's like, yo, bro, you you was
out here.
But uh, it was a time, man.
Like that time was like thatlittle DUI thing, went just DUI
to me.
To me, it's like it sent me tolike some type of depression, or
I was on the way to it before ithappened.

SPEAKER_03 (28:47):
Yeah, you know, it was like one of them where it
was like, it was like, it got alittle dark just because like on
that last turn before it gotlike real dark.

SPEAKER_01 (28:56):
Yeah, and honestly, it was worse before I went to
jail than after because I didn'tknow what was gonna happen
before I went to court.
Right.
I just knew I just got this, Igot this, I'm good, I'm gonna
lose this, this, this.
What's about to happen?
And I'm just like, Dag, yo,every time you say, you know,

(29:16):
that thought, you gotta take onestep forward.
It was so much of thosethoughts.
Yeah, like it just like I was inmy head, bro.
And then like I have been usinglike liquor as advice.
Then you're not doing thatbecause you on all these
programs and stuff, so you gottafigure this out.
Like, oh, I can't do this, Ican't do this.

(29:37):
And then like I finally then I Iended up going through a breakup
around the same time.
Like, what is before the babypart?
I went through a breakup, so itwas like there's a lot going on.
So I got I was clean, I wasn'tdoing nothing.
So I was a little hookah, that'sit.
That's all I could really coulddo it.
Then fall come, we startrunning, like doing some fan

(29:58):
swap stuff.
I started getting outside, itwas cool like just to be active
again.
Yeah, and then I started beingoutside a little bit.
Started open up a little bit.
Yeah, and it was another vicethat came.
Yeah.
So, but then that's how my songot here.
And um, you know, he's he'sgreat.

(30:20):
He's amazing, man.
He he he definitely is a specialkid, man.
This dude, he has like adifferent type of joy, he brings
peace, like he got meunderstanding love.
For real, like unconditionallove, man.
He got me treating people betterin general, just because like
I'm a never like a you know ajerk for real.
But still, like you just havedifferent respects when when you

(30:43):
got to deal with a child and allthat, and he's been a blessing,
man.
So like that that kind of that'swhen like the new bruh,
situationships has been athought since before rehab.
I've had it right in my head,bro.
It's been like a thought, bro.
You got I got songs from 2020,2022, last year, this year.
It's a stretch.
And I'm looking like thesesongs, some of these songs is

(31:07):
oh, but they still, they'restill ready.
So I'm like, we're gonna do it.
We're gonna throw everything onthis joint, bro, and make it
happen.
But like that time from likerehab to now, you know, that's
when I was just like trying tofigure stuff out, yeah, trying
to figure out dating, trying tofigure out if I can make it work
with my ex who I had broke upwith before the baby.
That don't really work when likesomebody getting back with you

(31:30):
and they knew you before thebaby.
Now afterwards, they gotta bestepmom.
Yeah.
And y'all don't have a child.
Like, that's a whole differentmentality.
So yeah, yeah, bro.
So when I say it's some contenton this junk, people are gonna
relate, not just me, but men,women, everybody.
I feel like that's been throughthat stage where it's like you
just try to figure it out.

(31:51):
Yeah.
And you realize, like, oh, it'slike it's it's vice.
Like people use people as vices,bro.
And that's what like the projectis about.
Ain't even really like a I'mglorifying situationships,
because I'm I'm kind of past,not kind of, I'm past that that
mind frame now, but it's stilllike that's what we can use as a
crutch, you know what I'msaying?
So trying to let people know itain't the way to go.

(32:13):
So this album, yeah, my fault,Miss Jones.
You good, you good vibrate.
This album, situationships,yeah, man.
I'm that's what it was, and thenI'm thinking, I've been between
situationships stereotypes.
I think it's gonna besituationships.
Yeah, you gotta stick withsituations.
That's that's more marketable.
That's and that's what it'sbeen.
Yeah, I already got the merch.

(32:33):
Yeah, yeah, but situationships,man.
That's it, man.
Situation ships, just so y'allknow though.
I was saying it before them wassaying it on Instagram.

SPEAKER_03 (32:40):
So, who you all got on this joint?

SPEAKER_01 (32:42):
Is it just all you?
Man, it's not that manyfeatures.
Um, there's a pro there's a songthat me and Bootsu had that was
supposed to be on his projectlike years ago.
It's on there because it justfits.
Shout out to Boo Tu.
Yeah, shout out to that dude.
One of the coders that come outof Manassas, bro.
One of the codes.
Oh, bro.
The fact that I only have twofeatures on the whole project,

(33:04):
it's 15 songs.
Yeah.
He's on two of them.
And you did you produceeverything or nah?
Some stuff we did, um, somestuff, um, other people.
Um it's only three feet, threefeatures.
My man Jordan, um, shout out tohim.
Um he's my high school, nocollege roommate.

(33:24):
So man.
Um, and yeah, Butu.
Boo Tu.
We got Rain.
We put it out.
I had a whole listening partyfor rain.
Um, he was he there?

SPEAKER_03 (33:35):
I wasn't there.

SPEAKER_01 (33:35):
You wasn't there.
We talked about it.

SPEAKER_03 (33:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (33:37):
Um S came up because Squire, Squire's beat.
Yeah, he came up.
Uh, shout out to him.
That's one of them.
That's old.
Yes.
That beat was from 2021 when Ifirst got that beat.
It had to be.
It was 2021, 22, because I wasmaking something else, and he
just sent like a two-pack, andI'm just like looking like this.

SPEAKER_02 (33:58):
And then I'm like, Dun, dun, dun, dun, down, down,
dun, dun.

SPEAKER_01 (34:02):
And I'm like, nah, nah, nah, baby.
And I started, I remember Iremember right writing that job.
I was at my kitchen table.
Yeah.
Then I was like, yo, I need likea RB, like Jamie Foxx type hook
for that jump.
And then that's why the hook islike a whole contrast to the
verses, but yeah, man.
Okay.
But yes, it's 15 records on it,man.
When are you dropping it?
I'm looking at November.

(34:23):
Was it 21st?
It's either the week, the Fridaybefore Thanksgiving or a Black
Friday.
Okay.
I'm still gonna make a fourthwith it.
But everything going up, goingup, uploaded November 1st, man.
So I meant to play you.
I'm gonna play something beforeyou leave.

SPEAKER_03 (34:37):
Bet, bet, bet.
Yeah, yeah, bro.
We got we got to get some stuffon the board.

SPEAKER_01 (34:41):
Yeah, we way past dude.

SPEAKER_03 (34:42):
Yeah, we way past that joint that we did for for
Kim.

SPEAKER_01 (34:45):
Kim, that joint's smooth.
That joint was smooth.
And and he looking for like atwo, three pack to put out.

SPEAKER_03 (34:52):
He need to put that out, bro.
Cause we we worked on that inwhat 2021.
It was COVID.

SPEAKER_01 (34:58):
That was at the that was in Youston.
Yeah, y'all was at the otherstudio.

SPEAKER_03 (35:00):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he got drop that, man.
Shout out to Kim, man.

SPEAKER_01 (35:05):
That was we had a couple good sessions in there,
man.
I remember trying trying to tellKen how to say some stuff a
little younger.
You know, you had that old yeah,that but that old school vibe is
in.
I like it.
It's in.

SPEAKER_03 (35:16):
I like it.
It's in, bro.
And he got he got the voice forit.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, he definitely got thevoice for it.
But uh looking forward to thattoo, man.
Maybe we can drop that.
Drop that soon.
Maybe, maybe drop that for likeValentine's Day.

SPEAKER_01 (35:29):
That could be smooth.
You know what I mean?
He needs something like that,bro.

SPEAKER_03 (35:32):
Yeah, drop drop something for like Valentine's
Day.

SPEAKER_01 (35:34):
I gotta go back and look at that.
That joke was fire.

SPEAKER_03 (35:36):
Crazy, bro.
And and and he cooked.
And you know what's crazy?
Like, that was one of thesessions I would say I didn't
mind the re the revising of it.

SPEAKER_01 (35:46):
We kept revising and revising and revising and
revising and revising.
But we kept getting closer towhere we were trying to go.

SPEAKER_04 (35:52):
We was getting closer, bro.

SPEAKER_03 (35:54):
Because when we had, I'm like, all right, this the
beat.
And then I was like, nah, wegotta fix something.
Then you was like, I'm gonna addsomething there.
And then we was like, it justkept going back and forth.
And then Kid was like, I want tohear this.
Yeah, I want to hear that.
And it was like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (36:06):
But you know what it is?
He probably got demo itis too,because whatever he heard when
he first was like, Oh, I can dothis.
Yeah, you know, when you getloved in love with something and
something sweet, you like, yo, Idon't know how I feel about it
no more.
I mean, I've done it to a lot ofmusic, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (36:20):
And that demo itis, that's that's a that's a perfect
word.
That's exactly what it is.
That's exactly what it wasbecause it was like he heard it,
and then it was like, all right,I need it to sound like this.
But you gotta understand wheny'all do demos, it's just to
give you a bridge to whereyou're trying to go.

(36:43):
Where you're trying to go, orwhere you can take it.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
You don't have to sing itdirectly like that.
You just, you know what I mean,just take your parts that you
like of it and turn it into yourown.
Yeah, and that's what that'swhat songwriting is, you know
what I'm saying?
That's what it is.
A songwriter can can they singthe hell out of the song, and
you just gotta do it how theywant you to do it sometimes,

(37:05):
most of the time.
And then add, excuse me, addyour own little spill on it.
You know what I mean?
Add your own little twist to it.
Cause that's that's what it is,man.
It's right.

SPEAKER_01 (37:14):
That's what got me into.
Have you paid attention to whatI've been doing on Instagram
like the past few weeks?

SPEAKER_03 (37:18):
What you doing?
So with the uh the with the uhcontent, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (37:23):
So these are all stuff.
I was supposed to talk aboutmixtape before situation.
I was supposed to talk aboutmixtape.
That's called stereotypes,right?
And he's putting out differentsongs, and so, but all the
mixtape sites that we used touse, they either not popping at
all, they're gone, they janky,somebody else got their URL or
whatever, and so it ain't youcan't really upload.

(37:45):
So I said, yo, I'm not gonnawaste these songs.

SPEAKER_03 (37:47):
Spotify or or or Apple Music or the other
streaming platforms got some ofthem.
Oh, that's what happened.
Yeah, because like some of theold Wayne joints on there, uh,
and some of the old, and we'regonna touch on that, but I'm
gonna let you finish.

SPEAKER_01 (38:01):
They bought them out, yeah.
But yeah, so like I I'd beentrying, like when you talked
about like making stuff yourown.
It was like me just sharpeningmy pen to finish the project,
right?
Because I had writers, but Iknow, but I'm hearing stuff like
the overjoint that's it, maybemaybe that that overjoint, uh,
the not a chill guy joint.
That's a compelling grade.

(38:22):
I don't know what color theygrade with that original song.
Yeah, it's nowhere now.
I said, Don't don't get me thesong.
Right.
Because it ain't nowhere now.
I've been looking for, I said,bro, that not a chill guy joint.
He did that, and I just changedit.
Yeah, but like that's whatthat's how I started writing
anyway, just remixingeverybody's stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (38:38):
Yeah, and I think for that, bro, like now that you
say that that Capella Greatjoint gone, Capella Great fire.
That dude is crazy.
Fire.
Um, me, me and my bro P, we wason the way to the to the party
Saturday, and we we alwaystalking back and forth about
music.
And I was like, bro, you knowwhat favorite Wiz joint of mine?

(39:00):
Mixtape.
What's your favorite mixtape?

SPEAKER_01 (39:03):
From Wiz?
Yeah.
I don't know if I got a favoritefrom Wiz, man.
I love Wiz.
My cousin's name Chris went intohim.
Love Wiz, Wiz.
Like, he's like, that's him.
Me, I just rock with Wiz, but Idon't have a favorite mixtape
from him.

SPEAKER_03 (39:16):
See, man, mixtapes, mixtapes, I would say for me,
mixtapes catapulted my my trainof ear listening because I was
listening to everybody.
And that's what's dope aboutbeing in the Marines, bro.
I had homies from all over.

SPEAKER_01 (39:32):
You know, one of the best mixtapes, uh, mixtape
catalogs?
Who Gucci?
Oh, yeah.
Facts, facts.
I was not rocking with Gucci atall going to going because you
know I went to Virginia StateCollege.
Up here, I was I was I wasrocking with Jeezy.
I'm you know, my family from NewYork.
Like, I'm I always like relateto people that, and Jeezy not
from New York, but his style wasmore like sit, man.

(39:56):
Gucci, this dude, Mike, bro,from Gucci.
This dude used to like, he'sfrom the foot on the football
team.
This dude had at least fourGucci mixtapes I had never
heard.
We hanging out chilling, and hejust playing.
I'm like, yo, Gucci, I now Iknow why they rock with Gucci
like that.
Gucci is.

SPEAKER_03 (40:16):
Gucci is definitely a it's a line of Guy.
Gucci different, bro.
Shout out to Gucci, right?
He's different.
But yeah, so with Whiz, uh huh,what made me made me think about
it is because I had homies fromPittsburgh.
I had homies from fromYoungstown, and that's right
down the street from Pittsburgh.
And then like I always wanted tohear somebody new.
Yeah, so I ended up finding outabout Wiz through, I think he

(40:37):
was on a Big Sean joint, and youknow Big Sean from home.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So my favorite album, myfavorite mixtape from him was
Cabin Fever.
He had the song on there.

SPEAKER_01 (40:47):
Oh no, I remember Cabin Fever.
Yeah, so what song do you wantto?
Yeah, the first joint.

SPEAKER_03 (40:51):
That junk.
Listen, it's you can't find itno more.
What?
His mixtape on a it's it's onApple, but it's a remake, it's
not the original joint.
Me and me and P had to go on onYouTube to find it, bro.
Yeah, but then I get paid, mychecks be like phone numbers.
Yeah, that's my joint, bro.
That was probably one of myfavorite jokes from Hammi's.

(41:13):
Oh, Hambix.
All on one crazy on that.
I'm like crazy, bro.
What a song get?
But like you said, a lot of themusic, I don't know if it's like
a producer issue or asongwriting issue or whoever
issue it is, like, they need tobring that back out, bro.
But that's how you say it, likewith Capella Gray.
They're taking stuff off.

SPEAKER_01 (41:32):
They're taking stuff off.
They rearranging it, bro.
You ever go back to an old albumthat was like one of your
favorite albums, and then likethe track listing is.
It's not the same.
It's not the same.

SPEAKER_02 (41:41):
Like, bro, number three was not number 11, bro.
Number 11 was number three.

SPEAKER_03 (41:46):
Yeah, because it was a Gucci joint.
Um, I went to, and I was like,this wasn't on this mixtape.

SPEAKER_05 (41:52):
Yeah, it wasn't here.

SPEAKER_03 (41:54):
You know what I'm saying?
I'm like, hold on, what's goingon?
But yeah, I've been noticingthat a lot, man.
I don't know what's going on inthe industry, bro.
But um, how you how you feelabout it right now?
Like, how do you feel about theatmosphere right now?

SPEAKER_01 (42:06):
Uh for a while I hated it.
I thought it, I thought it wasa, I mean, even now, like I
don't listen to a lot ofrappers.
Yeah, I don't listen to a lot ofart, I don't listen to a whole
lot, but I listen to like musicor like a beat or something that
I like, whether it could be asong that's out, yeah, but I'm
mainly listening to theproduction, what it sounds like,

(42:30):
what I can do on it.
So it's easy, I think it couldbe lyrics and I just write over
it, rate my own cadence, right?
Because I don't really listen towhat they doing.
I think it's a lot of it'spolluted, bro.
Like it's a lot of stuffunderground or like a lot of
stuff that like you gotta catchand find.
Yeah, but as far as what theypushing and promoting, the
mainstream is as toxic as thenews cycle.

SPEAKER_03 (42:49):
Yeah, I totally agree with that, man.
But that's why it's like for me,man.
That's why I'm just stillpushing out music, still pushing
out music.
You just dropped, didn't you?
Yeah, I just dropped uh Big Ten,man.
Shout out to everybody on thatalbum, bruh.
Like, people always ask me,What's your favorite album?
And I'd be like, shit, next one.
The next one.
What's your favorite song?
The next one.

SPEAKER_01 (43:09):
But this one, Big Ten, Big Ten, it's it's up
there.
Okay, see now I got, I mean,because remember when you sent
it, you know, you had thepre-save, but it wasn't out.
So now, okay.
Yeah, and I use Untitled.

SPEAKER_03 (43:21):
So Untitled, bro.
Like, I was working on thisalbum.
Shout out to DMA, man.
Uh he um he from he fromManassas area.
He cold, bro, youngin, young andcold.
And the way he flow, I'm like,yeah, I gotta get that type of
flow on my on my um on my tape.
Cause I heard some music fromhim.
You know what I'm saying?
We was at um, where was he at?

(43:43):
We was at oh, we was at OStudio.
Okay.
Oh seven, what is it?
I think it's seven studios now.
Seven, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, rocking them.
Yeah, rest in peace, Benz, man.

SPEAKER_01 (43:54):
Um man, what?

SPEAKER_03 (43:55):
Yeah, so we was there and Benz was there too.
That's the last, it was me,Benz, Rock, O, DMA, and uh, I
think it was some other cats,but he let me hear his music and
his homies, they made beats, andand he let me hear his music.
I said, Yeah, like I like this.
So I, you know, I stayed incontact with him, um, and boom,
he he sent me, I sent him thebeat.

(44:16):
And on titled, bro, what you cando is you can even put the stems
on that joint.
It's an app.
I can send you, I can send youlike so.
I already had like a prepre-album.
And I was just telling people,hey, when you when you get done
with your song, send it to me,and then I put it onto the app,
and then I can send it out sopeople can hear it and get that,
you know what I mean?
Feet, I can get feedback fromit.

(44:37):
You get what I'm saying?
Oh, that's and it's it's prettymuch the album before the album,
so it would be like a beat,nobody took yet, it'll still be
on there.
Then it'll be like somebody'ssong, like rough draft, will be
on there, and then when I finishmixing it, I'll put it back on
there.

SPEAKER_01 (44:52):
Oh, we gotta rap more about that.

SPEAKER_03 (44:54):
Yeah, so shout out to Untitled, man.
Untitled is bruh, it's gamechanger because you can still
collab.
We can collab.
Yeah, even if if you don't hearfrom me, the stem's in there.
Yeah, so you know what I'msaying?
Like you can get get whateveryou need out of the stems, put
your little mix on that joint,do your thing, put it back into
the the album, and then now Ican go back and listen to it

(45:16):
now.
Like I can listen to the revisedversion, so it's super dope,
bro.
So, yeah, that that um thatalbum has definitely been one of
my my favorite.
And shout out to Marcus Allenbecause I knew it was gonna be
Marcus Allen.
I knew I I knew it was gonna be,you know, explicit language on
there, but I told him, I said,bro, I know you're going the
gospel rap.
I said, I need you to to to toset the tone for this album.

(45:40):
Because I was gonna do a uh Iwas gonna do I come I'm supposed
to do a podcast on this, but I'mgonna break it down.
I was gonna do a a prayer, likekind of like DMX.
You know how I used to have hisprayers, and I was like, nah, I
said, you know what?
Marcus Allen didn't did enough.
I don't even I don't need to doit.
Like he he he said everything Ineeded to say.
He got it, yeah.
So shout out to Marcus Allen.

(46:02):
Um big 10.
If you don't have the album, goget it, go subscribe, go, go
purchase it, yeah, all of that.
But yeah, man, so they gotanother joint.
Um, you heard about Suno?

SPEAKER_01 (46:13):
Yeah, I heard about Suno, yeah.
Bro, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:15):
I'm gonna play you some joints, and you're gonna be
like, I heard about Suno.
Like, what?

SPEAKER_01 (46:20):
Like I've heard someone.
Who was this singing?
Suno's kind of crazy, bro.

SPEAKER_03 (46:24):
I put one of my old songs that I had with Newland.
Shout out to Newland.
I put one of my old songs.
Yeah, that's it.
Me and S, me and S produced ajoint and uploaded it to Suno.

SPEAKER_01 (46:34):
And that joint did what with it.

SPEAKER_03 (46:35):
That joint crazy dog.

SPEAKER_01 (46:38):
And I said, you know what?

SPEAKER_03 (46:40):
I'm about to drop me an album with just all Suno shit
on there.

SPEAKER_01 (46:43):
Yeah, I had a I was thinking about something, um,
somebody that um artist that Iknow, uh, and she's a great
person too.
Um, she went flew out and tomake some music to like get some
of her stuff produced and likeshe was gonna sing or whatever.
And the producer was there andwas like, hey, this is cool, but

(47:04):
let's see what it sounds likewith this version, like, oh,
this contemporary version.
And they put it to whatever,whatever that tool was, yeah,
and it changed it to one way,and they did it another one.
So she sent me like two, threeversions of the same song that
she wrote, and I'm like, itdon't really sound like you, but
I can hear you a little bit.
She said, Ain't me.
It's whatever.

(47:25):
Yeah, a little AI jump.
That part to me is scary.
That's scary, bro.
That part's scary.
That's scary.
It also gave me an idea.
Yeah.
So I was like, That's why I waslike, it's like I can definitely
at least get my writing off.
And if I can't find about thevoice I'm looking for at the
time, yeah, we can make ithappen.

(47:46):
Because you put your lyrics inthere.
It's different.
You know what it doesn't do, orwhat it does do, where I think
for creatives, you figure outhow to create with anything.
Like, I don't think that if youreally creative, like stuff can
just boot you out of here.
If you're just a performingartist, you can get booted out
of here, I think, pretty quick.
Right.
But if you're doing more thanjust going on stage, you gotta

(48:09):
use the tools, you gotta figureit out, man.
That's why I said I startcomplaining.
I stopped complaining aboutwhat's going on and just say,
yeah, whatever we put out, makeit the purest blue magic we
could ever make and make itfire.
But I'm never gonna stop havinglive.
I don't care if it's moreexpensive, I'm gonna have live
bands at every show that I do.
Yeah, I'll make sure theexperience is a certain way.

unknown (48:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:29):
Because I don't like water down, man.
Can't be running around, jumpingaround, making y'all jump.

SPEAKER_03 (48:35):
That's about the next joint we do, that's gonna
be the name of it.
Blue magic.
Blue magic.
It's gotta be crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (48:44):
It's gotta be crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (48:45):
It's good.
That's the name of it.
Crazy, bro.
Blue Magic.
Oh man.
You got me hype, man.
Gotta get the the pure feeling.
You gotta.
I mean, don't get me wrong, thesong when I play it to you, you
would think it was somebody Iknew.
Like the feeling is there.
Because a lot of people say, Idon't know if I'm gonna get the
feeling from that.
I'm like, oh no.

(49:05):
They didn't sample people'svoices.
I know they got the feeling.
But at the same time, I stillwant to have that pure.
That that that's like 90%.

SPEAKER_01 (49:17):
Yeah.
It ain't that hundred.
It can't be.
You can never really duplicatelike what comes from what comes
from humans come from God, yeah.
You can't never like replicateit.
Definitely mass produce somestuff and make it come out
quicker and still make somemoney from it.
Right.
But you ain't never gonna soundlike Shaka Khan, Shaka Khan.

(49:37):
It ain't never gonna sound likeAnita Baker.
It ain't who come on, man.
That Luther Van Dross ain'tnobody nobody sing like that.
Nobody.
And that's like I love music,bruh.
I will say that.
I will say that.
But y'all singers, some of y'allum need to learn how to take
criticism in the studio.

(49:58):
Because I y'all could have beenon an album, but some of y'all
don't like to listen.
Yeah, that's a whole nothersubject we can talk about.
Some album don't like to say,hey, go back and do this again.
They get tired of it, man.

SPEAKER_03 (50:07):
Bruh, like I anybody that knows me and know who when
I when you work with me, you'regonna go back and do it again.
Yeah, like you're gonna, you'regoing to.
I'm not gonna just you shouldwant to go back and do it again.
I don't care if if the fire, youyou came out crazy with the
craziest verse or the craziestsong and you sung the shit out
of it, do it again.

(50:28):
Yeah.
Because I want to see youperfect it.
And I learned something fromKerry Gordy, me and S.
He would, he would, um he wouldhave his artist go in there and
sing it three times.
He had him sing the verse threetimes, right?
After that third time, he'd say,Hey, you want to go, you want to

(50:49):
do it by yourself or you need meto come in there with you?
You know what I'm saying?
And so like he'd come in thereand he'd do it like how his dad,
like you know, Barry Gordy didit, you know what I'm saying?
And it was like it put a newperspective on how you should be
training.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying,your the artist to to to to be
better.
That's good.
Because she killed it all threeverses.

SPEAKER_01 (51:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (51:11):
And she was like, come, you can you can come in.
And he was like, say it likethis.
Yeah, this feel like let me feelthis.

SPEAKER_01 (51:19):
It's to feel, bro.
That's that's the most importantthing.
Anybody, y'all know I ain'tlying.
It's the feel like yo, I but yousinging it, but you so you
thinking that it gotta soundperfect, but it's missing the
substance.

SPEAKER_03 (51:32):
It's missing that, like it's missing that pain,
it's missing a little bit ofhappiness.

SPEAKER_01 (51:37):
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 (51:38):
It's missing that.

SPEAKER_01 (51:38):
Make it feel like what you're talking about.
Exactly.
Make the song sound happy ifit's happy.
If it's sad, bruh, make it soundsad, bruh.
Yep, yeah.
Like, bruh, like I had a song onrehab called Nine O'Clock
Somewhere, and I said, like, Ican tell the difference in vibes
and voices mind and sound.
Like, I had to do it like that,because this is a sad song, yo.

(52:01):
And if you a singer, bruh, y'allbe had y'all have so much
potential, but y'all can'trecord.
It's either it'd be like theyrecording artists or they live
artists.
Yeah, but to have them do both,yeah, is why I make albums like
Situation Shoes.
Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 (52:16):
I look, I'm looking forward to it.
Um 15 songs, bro.

SPEAKER_01 (52:20):
My longest project ever, probably the longest I'll
ever make.

SPEAKER_03 (52:23):
But they all gotta be there.
Yeah, they all gotta be there.
Yeah, I can't wait, man.
I can't wait.
And um before we get out ofhere, bro, I always do it.
I didn't do it last time, gymclass, G-E-M.
And then the gym with it.
Yeah.
What gems you can give give backto uh to the people out there
that's doing the same thing youdoing on your on your aspect or

(52:47):
even trying to get to whereyou're going.
What's some gems you can leavewith the people?

SPEAKER_01 (52:51):
I got one.
Um prioritization, man.
Like overextending yourself,people not appreciating what
you're doing.
Make sure you prioritize whatyou're doing, yeah.
I think that sometimes we likewe get let down or we can't keep
up with the demands and we letpeople down.

(53:12):
And sometimes you gotta be in aseason where you're like, yo,
let me just knock out what Igotta do so I can be more
available for people, right?
Or like maybe like what I'mdoing can inspire somebody else
that ain't even a part of what'sgoing on.
They don't even know about.
So I feel like, man, likesetting your priorities up, man.
Like, people should be here.
Hopefully they're gonna be herewhen it's hopefully you got

(53:33):
friends that just know, like,all right, they in the season
real quick, lock that in andkeep it going.
Um another one I would say isleave devices alone, man.
I say that, man.
I feel like um making yourselflike keeping yourself sharp to
me is important, yo.

(53:54):
And and making sure that youaccomplishing what you got to is
important, bro.
Yeah.
Like, it could be simple, bro.
Every morning, I'm praying, I'mreading something.
At lunchtime, I'm going to thegym.
Almost every day.

SPEAKER_04 (54:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (54:07):
Because at least if I'm checking that stuff off,
it's gonna make me want toaccomplish more stuff, bro.

SPEAKER_04 (54:11):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (54:12):
Like, you can be in a funk.
A lot of people with a funkright now, because stuff ain't
moving fast enough or anxietyand all that stuff, man.
But like, get that system downwhen you just like, I'm doing
this, this, this, and you justget used to like getting stuff
done, bro.
And next thing you know, youknow what I'm saying, your whole
life is different because sixmonths later, you accomplish a

(54:33):
couple things every day.
That's it, bro.

SPEAKER_03 (54:36):
Stick talking about prioritization, prioritization,
man.
And get rid of your vices, stayaway from the vices, stay away
from it, man.

SPEAKER_01 (54:42):
Everything this is the Bible says, everything is
lawful but not expedient.
You don't gotta do everythingevery day, bro.
Chill, you can have your fun,but like focus on the prize,
man.
So much more out here than whatwe ain't even experienced yet.
Right, right.
That's a fact, man.
Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 (54:55):
Bro, I appreciate you, man.
It's been a minute.
We should have been got thisdone.
Yeah, right.
It's been in the nigga foryears.
Yeah, yeah.
But it, you know, it makes itbetter, man, because I always
tell people, man, it's it's thisis why it's relationships worth
more than money, bro.
We we do this on a daily basis.
It's more than music.
You know what I mean?
It's life.
Yeah, it's who you meet aroundyou, the people around you, and

(55:19):
what relationships you build,where is it taking you?

SPEAKER_01 (55:23):
I gotta say this.
So you said it's like, yeah, mybest friend from high school
self-transitioned last year,right?
It changed my whole life, bro.
Because you wasn't just, oh, myfriend from high school.
Like, we moved to Masses Parkthe same year, sixth grade,
middle of sixth grade.
End up going to the samecollege, end up being college

(55:43):
roommates, end up graduating,like it just was like, we was
locked in, bro.
This is like 20 years, 20something plus years.

SPEAKER_03 (55:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (55:52):
And then when you look in the call, somebody, you
can't call them because they'renot here no more.
Because of feeling so muchpressure and not communicating.
So, like, the title of yourpodcast is important because men
need a relationship too, bro.
Like, men need to be able totalk.
You don't know what's going on,bro.
I feel like men hide stuff verywell.

(56:14):
And you might not know we'regonna do stuff because we used
to just putting our head down,keeping it moving, man.
But the reason why I wasfocusing on like discipline and
prioritization, because like Ifeel like it helped you get out
of a rep.
You just like, oh, what I'mdoing ain't enough.
I ain't doing this, bro.
Like, we be in our heads, bro.
Because we ain't doing, we feellike the bar is here and we

(56:34):
trying to reach it, butcontentment, man.
One thing you asked me at thebeginning was like, How you
feeling?
And I said, Settle, bro.
Because I feel like even thoughthere's goals and I'm chasing
stuff, like, I'm not stressingabout it.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, it gotta happen.
Or it ain't, but I feel likeit's gonna happen.
Yeah, but um, I had to say that,man, because that my boy, that
jump like threw me off for likea year, bro.

(56:56):
I was done.
Like, it's actually been a yearin October.
So for like the first nine, 10months, it's weird, bro.
Yeah, it's weird, bro.
But uh, you learn how to.
Ken told me this one thing.
Ken said, yo, it's much, it'salways gonna be people that's
gonna pass away.
No matter how it happens, it'sgonna be sad, but it should make
you want to invest more in theones that's still alive, bro.

SPEAKER_03 (57:17):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (57:17):
So we're gonna work because that's a fact.
That's a fact.

SPEAKER_03 (57:20):
Yeah, we gotta invest into each other, man,
because you like you said, bro,it's it's a lot of us out here
that don't speak, that don'teven that don't even talk to
each other.
You know what I'm saying?
Crazy.
And that's why I like alwayscheck in.
We check in every time we seeeach other.
You good?
Yeah, man.
We might not talk every day,yeah, but bro, you good?
Everything's straight.
Every time, all right, cool.

(57:40):
You know what I mean?
How how how's little man?
You know what I mean?
Yeah, how the girls, how thegirls, man, and that's how it
has to be, bro, because a lot oftimes, bro, where we come from,
bro, it's not a lot of peopleout there that actually care.
That's true.
You get me?
So, yeah, like when peopleactually care for the friends
and the and the and the peoplethat they have in their life, it
makes it so much better to justbe out there to just reach out

(58:03):
and touch somebody and just letthem know, hey, bro, I'm here
with you.
You got you gotta do it, bro.
A simple check-in.
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 (58:11):
We had a group chat.
Well, not me and you, but I wasin the group chat with a couple
dudes, and we've been in jumpfor years, but like somebody one
day was like, yo, how y'allfeeling?
One day I said, bro, not thatgreat.
And sometimes you gotta say it.
Yeah, it wasn't like I wasdepressed, but I was in the
space where like for like a weekI just was like, yo, this ain't
I'm not I can't fake like I'mfeeling good.

(58:32):
If I'm not, you ask me, I'mgonna tell you.
Yeah, but you gotta have peoplethat you felt you can trust in
doing that.
But um, be vulnerable enough tosay, yo, it ain't all here, yo.
So somebody can say, yo, let mego pull up on you.
Let's go grab some food orsomething.
Let's just chop it up.
Like, people need community,bruh.
Cause without that, bro, youcome to this society as
individualistic and everybodygoing crazy, bro.

(58:53):
That's a fact.
I'm done talking, bro.
But look, man, like that.

SPEAKER_03 (58:58):
We gone.

SPEAKER_01 (58:59):
We out.
What socials?
Like, not my my Instagram.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (59:05):
No, no, I'm gonna put that on there.

SPEAKER_01 (59:07):
Okay, I'm gonna put that on there.

SPEAKER_03 (59:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yo, make sure y'all like, share,subscribe, comment,
relationships worth more thanmoney.
Gotcha.
P O D.
Make sure y'all go follow onInstagram, follow Broad Page.

SPEAKER_01 (59:23):
Let's go, 9p music underscore.
Follow that, man.
It's always gonna be somethingevery week.

SPEAKER_03 (59:28):
Follow that because every week I'm trying to drop
another episode before the yearends.
I think I got like 14 more tohit 50 episodes in two years.
Yeah.
Since I've been doing it.
So make sure y'all like,comment, subscribe, share, and
tell someone someone, just tellsomeone that relationships is

(59:50):
worth more than money.
I like that.
Yeah.