Life Through the Lens of a Visual Creator and Gamer

Become a Relative & send some love

I never thought that a candid chat with @FrankieDotCreates would redefine the way we view the impact of creative networking. Join us as Frankie, a Virginia-based master of the lens, spins tales of his artistic odyssey, blending the raw elements of photography and videography into a thriving career avenue. We traverse through the transformative power of events like "When Bosses Meet," unraveling the intangible wealth of relationships and the surprising ways they trump financial triumphs. 

From the diverse streets of Fairfax to the structured discipline of military service, we uncover how our backgrounds have carved out our nimble communication skills and our ability to adapt to any scenario. As Frankie and I share our joy for gaming and relive the rush of creating content, we also cast light on embracing opportunities that once seemed daunting. This episode is an ode to the enrichment that life's various paths provide, and a celebration of the shared experiences that bind us all. 

Closing out with Frankie's personal insights, we find inspiration in overcoming self-doubt and the power of staying true to one’s craft. Music, with its profound influence, dances through our conversation as we reminisce cultural touchstones and the thrill of curating playlists. If you're seeking a blend of heartfelt discussion and creative spark, this is your invitation to an honest dialogue that resonates with creators, dreamers, and visionaries alike.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
We live, or just like Just a recording.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah, we live, we live with it, we live with it.
Hot with it.
Okay, hot with it.
Hot mic we live with it.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
What up, y'all, what up.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
What's the, what's the people?
This is what we call.
So you know what I callEverybody that follow us.
I call them the relatives.
Relatives Cause if you, ifyou're part of Relationships
worth more than money, youbecome a relative.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Okay, I like that.
What up relatives?
Yeah, yeah, we here with it andwe back.
Episode 16.
Episode 16 in the building yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Relationships worth more than money.
I'm Tweezy To my left who I got.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
You got your main man , frankie Doc Creates.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yes, sir, and this is crazy, man, because you are the
first creative from when BossesMeet to jump on the pod after
the event.
Okay, I've been getting peoplehitting me up Like they've been
trying to get on here and we'vejust been trying to coordinate
how we were Right.

(01:05):
But yeah, man, go ahead, tellthem where you're from, let's
know something about you.
Man, tell me about yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay, well, I'm from here, virginia.
I was born in Fairfax,Currently live in the outside of
Fairfax, gainesville, virginia,they call it Family man Got
three kids, two boys, a girl,lovely wife, and I'm in the

(01:34):
automotive industry.
I do my side thing Let me backup a little bit Not my side
thing.
I'm revolving that into my mainthing, which is my photography,
my videography and just contentcreativeness.
So that's where we at with it.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, man, the pictures and videos that I've
seen from you man is crazy and Iappreciate that, man, because
I'm probably my biggest.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
I think every creative is their biggest critic
, right, and I've been doing alot of stuff Like I've been
doing this.
It's just I haven't been out inthe open like this, you know,
showcasing my work, posting likethis, like I got a little bit
here and there, but in the backof your mind you're like yo
people really gonna, you know,fuck with this or not on my
phone.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Oh, no, you do what you say, what you want, whatever
I know where we at.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
And yeah, man, I was like y'all, like that whole
event was like a kick in the assI needed, bro.
Yeah, because it was definitelylike I was like on my way but
this like expedited, like mebeing one consistent, stepping
my game up and bringing out justthe best I can possibly do and

(02:43):
bringing out just the best I canpossibly do.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, man, I think, like I was telling Kadeem, it's
a game changer, bro, becauseit's like, think about it like
this If you got a team right, ateam of cameramen, videographers
, photographers and more othercreators, models and everything,
and it's all about putting thepieces, putting the right pieces

(03:05):
in at the right time, and whenBosses Meet, happens, bro, it's
like everything falls into place.
It's like everybody was on thesame playbook throughout the
whole time.
And I think it's because it'sloose, it's not a structured to
the T event like, hey, you haveto be here, you have to be there
, you have.
I think it's because it's loose, it's not a structured to the T
event Like hey you have to behere, you have to be there, you

(03:27):
have to be here.
And I think that's where itreally like took off because,
yeah, man, like it's nothing Iever seen like it.
You know what I mean.
But at the same time you'rebuilding relationships,
absolutely Like we connected.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, I was about to say you and Brian were like the
first two because I walked inwith setting up and everything
right there.
Yeah, we were setting up and Iwas like, oh, they got a whole
podcast here.
I was like because I was likebecause I do event shoots and
stuff, so I'm used to havepeople, you know, do their thing

(04:03):
while they're, you know, movingaround changing.
I'm like okay okay, I was like,damn, I'm trying to get here,
you know, because you know whynot?
It's, this whole event is justfor networking and growing and
you know exposure.
So I was like, all right, letme get there.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Never got there, so I was like yo, I got a link up
with you, yeah man, I mean likeit was, man, it was crazy
because I was telling Kadeemlike man, this joint flew by
like six hours, flew by like.
I feel like I just got there,that's what I'm saying, like we
all just was just sitting thereme, you and Brian Shout out to
Brian too we was all sittingthere setting up, like figuring
out where we was going to be at,like where we going to put our

(04:37):
stuff at, and I'm was like, yeah, we definitely going to do some
more work afterwards Because Iknow a lot of people wanted to
get on, but they was.
Some people were shy, somepeople you know what I mean they
ain't know what we was going totalk about.

(04:58):
But I'm like relationshipsworth more than money, like
whatever you want to talk about.
It's about the networking, therelationships that you deal with
, friendships, everything, youknow what I mean Sports,
whatever, about the same.
It's all about therelationships man?

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, because when I, when you told me the name of it
, I was like relationships worthmore than money.
I was like I thought it wasLike we gonna be talking About
some things.
It could be.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
You know what I mean.
That's the thing about it.
You know what I meanRelationships worth more Than
money.
Dog, it could be anything.
You know what I mean, cause youcould.
You could be on the couch, youcan talk about whatever,
whatever that comes to mind,because I don't ever have Like a
full, like structured topic.
I just wanna know who theperson is that I'm talking to to
and what you do, and how didyou get to where you are right

(05:45):
now and where you're going.
You know what I mean, andthat's the whole basis of it.
Then, when people want to divein and peel back the onion, we
can peel back the onion.
You know what?

Speaker 1 (05:54):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
And that's what I love about it, because all the
feedback that I have beengetting has been yo.
I like the way it's free flow.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
It's not like I have to askthese questions, I have to ask
this.
Yeah, I got to make sure hesays this Like no, say what you
want to say.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Because I was definitely about to hit you.
Be like on the way here I waslike yo, anything I got to get
ready for or anything I got to,nah, bro.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
The topics or, like I was saying, we was talking
about it off camera, about theautomotive industry, and you
were saying how sales?
You didn't want to deal withthe sales part.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Oh no.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
And the sales part is pretty much what I dealt with
as a recruiter.
It's sales, it's consultativeselling skills.
You know what I mean, and thathelped me, though, even though I
grinded and worked hard.
It helped me become a betterspeaker.
It helped me become a betterlistener.
You know what I mean, and whenyou can listen nine times out of

(06:52):
ten, that's where your sale isright there, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I strayed away from sales.
I mean, don't get me wrong, Ihave nothing against sales,
because if you're working,you're selling period, no matter
what you do, you're sellingperiod.
Yeah, no matter what you do.
Right, you're selling, whetherit's directly or indirectly.
And in the automotive industryit's just a different kind of
animal because I only work inhigh line, so big, six-figure

(07:18):
cars and trucks I deal with.
So the conversation is a littlebit different.
You're not dealing witheverybody.
You're dealing with a certainkind of people.
They got a certain kind ofexpectation but nonetheless, all
this stuff that they teach youin that and I'm pretty sure they
talk as well in recruitment isthat not only how you listen,

(07:41):
how you talk.
But those are things that Itook personally and just was
like this is free game foranybody that's doing something
on the side or just want tobuild a business.
I've just been like anythingthat they could do, any
conferences, any meetings oranything that we can attend.
I'm there, I'm not going tolevel up there, I'm just taking

(08:03):
that free information, justtaking it all in.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Taking it all in putting it towards to you know
the main goal.
Yeah, man, and I think a lot ofpeople don't understand like
that part, Because you mightjump into a job and just be like
I'm just here to work, butyou're using it as how I can
enhance my outsideextracurricular activities.

(08:26):
You know what I'm saying, andthat makes sense because, like
Kadeem said, man, the things wedid in the Marine Corps helped
us, prepared us for the realworld.
Yep, you know what I mean?
Yep, and it definitely did, man, because we can adapt anywhere.
That's why I can go to any cityand I'll be straight, Like, I
understand the neighborhoods, Iunderstand everything and I

(08:49):
adapt to the culture and that'swhat we was taught.
Like you know what I mean, yougot to know how to adapt and
overcome.
You know what I mean.
But, yeah, man, automotiveindustry, let's talk about the
childhood man.
Like, how was Fairfax growingup?

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Oh, man, we moved a lot and I told Kadeem this my
pop was in the Marines, Reallyyeah, so that's why you know
being around everybody.
It was nothing but respect andlove bro.
Yeah, tell him something's fineman, nothing but respect and
love.
So we moved around a lot, fromFairfax to Arlington, to
Alexandria, to Fredericksburg,orange County.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
We've been some places.
I've been to the whole Virginia.
Yeah, man.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Most of my childhood I grew up in Bell City, bro.
It was not as bad as it is now,but it still was.
You know, nice, you know it wasall right you got your, yeah,
yeah you know I was able to beoutside for a bit, but then, you
know, it was that transitionalperiod where stuff started going

(09:53):
downhill a little bit.
You know streetlights come on,it's time to go in, because you
start hearing things outside nowand I mean we didn't have a lot
, but my parents always madesure that we was good Right, and
we've been to a lot of places,man, and my main grow-up spot

(10:15):
was, you know, dell City andStafford and Fredericksburg.
So between those three it'slike I mean I feel like I'm
still here.
So it ain't nothing that wastoo crazy, but I'm still blessed
by the people I came across andyou know the upbringing that my
parents did so yeah, what aboutsports man, you playing any

(10:36):
sports when you was Absolutelyyeah, what you play?
Football bro, football Footballwas my bread and butter man and
I played street ball like streetbasketball.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Oh yeah, you know that's automatic Sideline tackle
on a foot street football too.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Exactly man Getting tore up by license plates,
running through the street withit.
Yeah, I wanted to pursue acareer in football, as I think
every dude did that played it,but the focus wasn't there.
As you know, time progressed.
High school came around,started messing around with the

(11:09):
women and everything, justlosing focus.
You know we keeping it real.
So after that I started tomigrate over to see what do I
want to do and that light didn'tclick to man.
All right.
So I was about at least 22,.

(11:29):
Man, like it took a while.
But at the same time I know alot of people beat themselves up
.
Like man, I need to figure outwhat I'm going to do.
You're not going to figure thatout immediately.
It could take a while becauseyou got to try a lot of things
and I tried a lot of things, bro.
A while because you got to trya lot of things and I tried a
lot of things, bro, and I meansome gave success.
Some would have probablyflourished more if I put more
consistency to it.

(11:50):
But I mean I think God passedout everything for a reason to
line you up to where you need tobe, and since then I've just
been following that purpose.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
So you got you just found out your birthday is in
purpose Right.
So you got you just found outyour birthday is in September.
Yup, virgo Virgo, big Virgogang, big Virgo energy.
How is it, man, as a parent?
Man like, how is it Like,what's your version of when you
first had that first kid?
Like, how did you react?

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Oh man, kid, like, how did you react?
Oh man, when I found out I washaving a kid man heart dropped
yeah, because you know I was, Iwas, it was still.
It was like the tail end ofhigh school, man.
Well, it was hot out here, yeahand uh, I was like damn.
I got to my parents, you knowright, she told me and I was
like fine, playing so you, youshot the club up when you were

(12:46):
still in high school, bro,before prom.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
No, this was after.
Okay, this was after.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this was after.
This was her last year and Ihad already graduated.
You had graduated, okay, yeah,yeah, yeah.
So you know, it was arollercoaster of emotions.
And number one question is likeI don't even have a job at this
point yet.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Like what am I going?

Speaker 1 (13:10):
to do, you know, and lo and behold that's when I
start, you know sat down with mymom and pop.
My mom was you know, figurethis out my dad was just he hit
me with that disappointment.
He was like he, you, with thatdisappointment.
He was like he, you know.
I would say you know howMarines are, bro, like they give
you that look, and I alwayshave this respectable fear of my

(13:32):
pop, even right now, but he wasjust like damn that's the point
.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
I'm like, ah, got you .

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Ah, that got.
That's the point.
I'm like ah, Got you.
Ah, yeah, that got me, bro.
Yeah.
But now you know, time haspassed.
Everybody matured, grew up.
Everybody's cordial witheverybody.
It's dope man.
They like my little homies.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, man, I think that's the dope part about it,
man.
It's like when you actuallyfiguring it out, man, because
it's no rule book to parenting.
Oh, me and the girl's mom, wesuper cool, dope co-parents.
But it's like you know what Imean.
You have your bumps and bruisesthroughout the situation, but

(14:17):
at the same time, man, it's likekids is what's important.
You know what I mean?
Yep, and that's how I look atit.
Yeah, um, man, my kids is, theyare.
It's like the girl versions ofme, like both of them have, have
same similar traits that I have.

(14:37):
And then my youngest, she justman, she just, I don't know,
like I wasn't bad Like 2D.
2d took it to like a wholenother level of like I don't
care, like I don't care aboutnothing.
It's my world.
You here, yeah, this is myworld.
You just my parent and I'mdoing what I want to do.
So, but no, man, shout out tothe kids.

(15:02):
Man, take me to.
When you started the wholephotography and videography
thing, man, because your work iscrazy.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Thank you, thank you.
I'm always.
I have a hundred thousandpercent gratitude and humbleness
because, you know, like I saidit's, I didn't see myself going
this, like this avenue with it.
Yeah, but I'll give you abackstory.
I'm going to say maybe 2015, 16, 17-ish.

(15:36):
I want to do the whole YouTubething, right, right.
So you know, I love gaming, I'ma big gamer, you're a gamer,
I'm a gamer.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
I got caught on right now.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Bro, listen, I was playing.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I'm like you.
Like you tip it away, I get inthat session.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Try to get it in one time Big gamer and you know the
YouTubers I was watching.
You know the Titans in theYouTube gaming space I was
watching.
I was like yo, they could dothat, I could do that too.
So I just dove into it.
I didn't even have a capablecomputer and I just, over time,
grew, got stuff I needed.
People were saying use this,get that, play this, play that.

(16:15):
You know, I had my channel andeverything.
A lot of the old school peoplethat rocking with me.
Yo, frankie J, that was myfirst.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
That was your first YouTube name my first YouTube
name was Yo Frankie J.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Taking off, I did games, skits you know,
everything.
And I was like, all right, letme try on the other side of the
camera because, you know, as agamer and a content creator,
you're everything.
So you're editing videos,videos, right you?
Making sure you you're lookinggood, you're in focus, yeah.

(16:48):
So all that stuff just rolledover to me, just doing that for
somebody else.
So, um, I was really in in, uh,intrigued with videos, and like
I was like, man, I want to dolike short films, music videos.
It's just dope, like to be onyour producer tip and like have
something like yo, I had thisidea, got some people together,
we made it happen fast forwardto November.

(17:13):
I had brought a cinema cameraand I was doing stuff with the
church, with my church.
So they created a whole likesocial media ministry to.
You know, everybody need thatspace and social media.
So you know, sermons and events, you know try to get people
come to the church andeverything.
So me and a couple other of my,uh, my friends and family like

(17:36):
running the social media thing.
I was just doing video and oneof the ministers came out and
was like, hey, you do likeweddings and photography and
stuff too, right, and she wastelling me about this big event
coming up like a pastoralinstallation which basically, to
sum it up, is like apresidential inauguration for a

(17:59):
church.
It's big, you have peopleflying in like big ministers.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
It's called a pastoral installation
Installation yeah, I had neverheard of that.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
It installed because we had our old pastor retired
and we got a new one.
So to properly induct him intothe church, you got to go
through this like week and ahalf long event.
So she was telling me aboutthat.
We were right there at thechurch just chopping up and I
was like, yeah, bro, I didn'teven have a camera and the event

(18:28):
was like a month and a halfaway.
Figured it out, though, bro,saying yes to that, put me right
here in this seat, right here.
Man, man, it's crazy how thingshappen.
Right, it just blew my mind,because after that, everything
just changed for me, the wholetrajectory of what I thought was
going to happen for me, becauseevery year, like between

(18:49):
November and January, I'm like,all right, this is what's
happening this year, this iswhere I want to be, this is what
I want to do.
They say, yep, but we're goingto go the alternate route though
.
Yeah, I was like it just blewmy mind.
I was like, yo, we're goingthis way.
Yeah, it just blew my mind.
I was like, yo, we're goingthis way, and it just took off
bro, it's crazy man.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
because, like, I'm a firm believer of the man
upstairs man and I always tellpeople like my aunt's a minister
, I got family members ministers, but I like the fact that they
keep it real, like they're notjust—because.
Growing up as a kid man I wasjust like like something ain't

(19:27):
right.
Like I go to church and go tochurch and go to church.
I'm like, well, why is theydoing this?
Why is they worshiping this guywhen he's supposed to be
worshiping the man upstairs?
Right, but I always sayEcclesiastes 3, man, everything
happens for a reason.
And when I learned that fromboot camp, because I went to

(19:47):
boot camp trying to get awayfrom the drilling structure, I
went to church man on Sunday andthe pastor, he, that was his
sermon.
And ever since then, man, I gotit tatted on my chest Like
Ecclesiastes 3, man, everythinghappens for a reason.
And that part right there foryou, man, like it's not when you

(20:09):
want it, it's when he knowsit's time for you to have it.
Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
And I think that's the dopest part about I mean man
God.
Man God is definitely he's ontime.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Oh, absolutely May not be when you want him.
That's what I'm saying he's ontime.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
But he's always on time, man.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
I definitely got to get a shout out to my pastor,
he's a big motivator and, likebecause he has energy that I've
never, ever witnessed in a humanbeing.
Like this brother is just go,go, go, idea, idea, idea, idea,
idea, idea, execute, execute,execute.
And I was like yo, I kind ofthink, like that, you know so.
And he's always like man, it'suntapped potential.

(20:53):
You have to like, if you scared, do it.
Scared.
If you, you know you got thisthing you want to do, do it.
You won't know, you know untilyou actually do it.
You can't let things thathaven't happened yet stop you.
Facts, like, because that'scrazy, what'll stop you?
You, you're the only person.
Once you get out of your way,you, you know it's smooth

(21:16):
sailing after that.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, man, and people don't be understanding that and
I tell them all the time likeyou have a relationship with the
man upstairs, you want to havea relationship with him.
And then, when you got people,that's going to bring that good
energy to you because I'm big onenergy man, oh, yeah, though, I
feel it when I walk in a roomyeah, I'm big on energy.

(21:39):
So, like how you were sayingyour pastor man, like those are
the people you want around you,because it's going to motivate
you to keep going, it's going tomotivate you to keep looking
and keep searching for whateveryou need.
Yeah, man, that's, that's dopeman, because everybody always
want to know, like, how did youget to where you at right now?
And you know what I mean yougoing?

(22:00):
Because it's a thing Like it'sthis YouTube that I'm doing with
the visuals.
It's to show people like, hey,like we just like you, right?
You know what I mean.
We are just like you.
I love visual pods.
You know what I mean and that'swhy I was telling you.
I learned that from going toPodCon.

(22:21):
Wallo did this PodCon Shout outto Wallo and Gilly man, but
Wallo did this free PodCon bro,like all you had to do was show
up that's dope In Philly and hewas giving up so much game man.
And that's when I found outthat the visual was called a
vodcast.
A vodcast, the audio is whatthe podcast is Right right.

(22:45):
So I was like oh snap, I'mthinking podcasts are just on TV
.
Exactly, that's a secondary tothe primary.
And how you can eat off of thisis send it to multiple sites.
So TikTok already got my clipsshooting the TikTok and YouTube

(23:07):
shorts and YouTube and Instagram.
So Instagram, I do it myself soI can throw the music on there.
Right, I'm trying to figure outthe Snapchat thing now.
But the whole thing is togenerate hit on all platforms.
Yeah, because once it goes now,you're eating off of those.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, it's just, you know little sprinkles here and
there.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, it's planting seeds.
You know what I mean.
And I tell people all the timeI'm planting seeds, plant seeds,
I'm watering them and they grow.
You know what I mean.
Granted, some seeds don'talways grow.
That's cool.
Yeah, you got other ones.
You can you know.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
So is YouTube like your.
You want YouTube to be yourbaby.
Yeah, man, you driving alltraffic from them to here.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, so that, and so I use Streamlabs too.
Okay, but Streamlabs is for themerch, so all my merchandise I
use Streamlabs but, I, want touse String Labs For the the
times where people like Over,you know, overseas, or out of
country or out of town, theycan't get here or get to, where
I can't get there, where we canjust do it online.

(24:15):
You know what I mean.
Just do the podcast online.
But Even that too, man Causelike you, I'm a gamer too, like
me and my boys, I was aboutgonna say, yeah, we on the games
all the time, like just bechilling, yeah, because that's
my, that's my, that's my little,my little safe haven.
Man, when I'm chilling, I ain't, I ain't got nothing going on.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Bro, let me tell you man, like I probably, I probably
gamed a little bit about a fewweeks ago, like, and I was
telling my brother this I waslike man, it's weird playing
games when you're not recordingit or streaming it, yeah, and
just enjoying the game.
And when I was just playing it,bro, I was so immersed in that
game, I didn't have to interactwith nobody, I was just playing

(24:54):
the game.
What game was it?
It was the new Saints Row.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Bro, saints Row is fire.
Absolutely, bro.
Saints Row was like the hoodGTA, bro, because it's so wild.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, it's so wild.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
And then I like the fact that you can really soup up
your vehicles like how you wantto soup them up Now.
Gta had little limits, you knowwhat I mean and it cost too
much, right, right.
But, I still play GTA too.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
The girls love it.
Man, I will never not play GTA.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, the girls love it, man.
They going there and justdriving around.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
We used to have these GTA series which I think they
still on my brother's YouTube.
Yeah, oh man, just me, him andthe homies.
Just be late night hours bro.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's wild and it's crazy.
Y'all was doing that Long timeago.
Now look how it blew up andpeople like Sada Baby and
T-Grizzly.
They got their own networkswhere people can link and go
into their joint.
And it's different, because ona computer the whole servers and
all that Bro the servers iscrazy.
You can literally put everyclothing into the game.

(25:57):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
That you see out here , everything we got on right now
, everything we got on is onthat game.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Spot on I, we got on right now, everything we got on
is on that game, spot on.
I said, yo, this is crazy,chains, yep, all of that.
And I was like, man, I hopethis new GTA be all beat.
Oh, it's going to be beat, man,I'm waiting, man, it's going to
be like.
I was so hyped when theydropped the trailer on it,
because I for that man, becauseit's like it's going to be crazy

(26:22):
.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, it's going to be everything GTA needs to be.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
I'm like damn.
So if they got Vice City,they're going back to Vice City
like are they going toincorporate more cities?

Speaker 1 (26:31):
You know what I'm saying.
They really really went all out.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, because on 5, when you do like the heist, they
got a new heist that's like inPuerto Rico or something.
Oh yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Puerto Rico Bay heist .
Yeah yeah, we tried to do that,heist, bro.
Bro see, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
I ain't got no team, no more, to do them, so I be
like man.
I just be like on GTA a littlebit, like I used to be on that
heavy Bro, heavy man, a dudethat knew how to do the little
dupes, and we'd get all the carsand we'd soup them up and sell
them for a million and then wewas getting I think the most

(27:10):
amount I ever had was probablylike 15 million in the account.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
When GTA first came out, it was for the 3.
And when the 4 came out,playstation 4, and they moved
everything over.
A dude that I met on GTA waslike yo, I could take your GTA
from PlayStation 3, mod it, sowhen you go on 4, you'll have
basically $999 billion.

(27:36):
Yeah, I was like say less.
Yeah, in there enjoying it, bro, for like a year, logged in one
day, got a notification fromRockstar Y'all your money has
been eradicated, dang.
I had who say bro, but littledid they know.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I brought everything in the game, so you can sell it
I was selling stuff for weeks.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, I'm like yo.
Two days I was back up.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
I, I was like this ain't nothing, yeah, that's what
I'm saying.
So, like man, them dupes, man,like right now, to this day, man
, I still got a bunch of themlittle Vespas, oh bro, I got a
bunch of them in one of mygarages, bro.
And then another one.
I got the Burger Shot car in mygarage, because that was the
two dupes you could dupe themfor.
It was like a, I don't know.
It looked like a, like a.
What's the little, the Asian,the Asian car that everybody

(28:27):
always like a Supra.
It looked like a Supra.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
It's like the Kirin or Kirin or something like that.
You can, when you dupe it intothat and you put like a certain
amount of paint job or whateveron it, like you can sell it for
a million each time.
It was like 900 and somethingthousand, so like we had 900 and
something thousand, so like wewould dupe all of those free
vehicles, you know what I'msaying, Put a little like 10,
20,000 into it and get 900,000from it, and we would do that
back to back to back to back toback.

(28:52):
But yeah, man, I ain't been, Iain't been on for a minute.
I gotta, I gotta log back inand find me a.
That's when you start learningall of the different ins and
outs of how to do things.
But yeah, I still be on my solodolo too.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
My heights used to be crazy, man, crazy, absolutely.
We cleared all the main heights.
Yeah, we did that in, like Iwant to say, a two and a half
three day period.
Yeah, we cleared all the mainheights.
It was like four at first right.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, that one with the prison, that one was crazy
yeah that one was crazy man,yeah that one was crazy.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
And then the one with the FIB building, one yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
That one was Ooh man.
And then like, remember, if youdied like you had to start all
the way around, bro, that's whywe was like adamant man, like
it'd be late night hours.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
So you know how you get when you tired, yep, like
you either start just trippingor you just be like pissed off
Facts and then everybody don'tbe on the same page, like I'm
not trying to do this again,please, bro, it's going to late.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
We about to get off, man, exactly, you ain't playing,
right, you don't.
And we ain't going to findsomebody else to play Because,
bro, we wasn't going for it, man.
But that's the thing I alwaystell people everybody has their
niche and they have their thingto get away.
Mine was always gaming man.

(30:16):
Even when I was a kid, I wasout in the streets, but at night
, me and my boys, we'd be ateach other's house.
We'd be playing live, nba, liveor, or tech and whatever it was
, madden, nhl and um.
But that's, I think, to me.
Our parents used to get on usso much.
You ain't gonna make no moneyoff that.

(30:37):
Why you always playing thatgame.
Little do they know it'smillionaires man, listen, bro.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
When I left YouTube and moved over to Twitch, I got
affiliate in a week For real Oneweek, bro, and I don't know how
I had it it was like a fewmonths before my birthday, at a
birthday street and got my firstpayout.
Dang Bro, I'm going to tell youwhat not to do, though Don't
let the chat control how muchyou drink.

(31:03):
Wow.
The chat had you like that, bro.
The chat had me off my ass.
Bro, I had a full bottle oftequila.
I was just chilling with it.
Yeah Nah, they say you're notchilling.
Oh shit, dang.
Every time I look at it, everytime I die.
I don't even remember what Iwas playing, bro.
I was playing Fall Guys.
Yeah, Every time I died bro.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, so like.
So the so me man.
I was a.
I love action, of course, but Ilike I don't want nobody to
take this wrong but I likeshooting games.
You know what I mean.
And that's why I love GrandTheft, because it was like yeah,
you do whatever you want, youcan take a car, you can take a
plane, you can take whatever atank anything.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
You know what I'm saying and it was just your
imagination or whatever.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, and then, of course, sports.
See me, baseball was my firstlove.
Even though I love football, Ilove all the sports, basketball,
I'm learning to love new sportstoo, like soccer.
But yeah, man, the action wasalways man.
It was always GTA, call of Duty, Rainbow Six.

(32:13):
Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Man, rainbow Six was so crazy.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Rainbow Six is a staple bro, yeah, before Call of
Duty it was.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Rainbow Six, yeah, rainbow Six.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
And before Rainbow Six so calm, so calm.
Yes, sir Fire, team PS2, comeon man, so I always tell people
man, like people, be like, oh,he play the game and I'm like,
so, like you have your own thing, you do.
You know what I mean.
Makeup, you do you make wigs.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
You know what I'm saying.
Why gotta be like?
That's what I think like.
To be honest with myself is Ithink a lot of that gets me when
I was doing it.
Because I get grown-ass manplaying games, bro, like, come
on, bro, I'm like, this is whereI'm at Like.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I'm chilling.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
I'm like this is my vibe.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
And I always tell him , bro, I say hey, so you want me
out in the streets?

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Or you want me in this house, something totally
different.
I could be doing Something.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Like totally different, right?
Do you which one you want?
Do you want me in here or doyou want me in the street?
Pick one, pick one.
But yeah, man, it's.
But it's fun too, man, and Ilike that.
The girls they like to play too, man, and it's like that's like
our bond too Outside of youknow, sports, is you know what I
mean?
Finding something that you getalong with with the kids, yeah,

(33:28):
and introducing them to thesecrazy games, because, like
Spider-Man, crazy on the PS5.
Absolutely, absolutely.
You know what I mean.
But what other games outside of, like Call of Duty, oh, man, my
number one is racing.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, I was my Gran is racing.
Yeah, I was my my Gran Turismo,gran Turismo.
My pop got me the first GranTurismo man, four discs, that's
crazy.
It was crazy, crazy.
And then after that he got methe first Need for Speed.
Road and Track Bro Need forSpeed.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Need for Speed has been my oh man.
They fell off, though, man, andyou know you think so.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Well, so EA Sports Was the pivotal like Company
Right For everything.
Well, people, yes, ea wasdefinitely, and then they fell
off.
Remember, luckily.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
College is coming back out this year.
They took an 11 year hiatus.
Okay, you know what I mean.
But Gran Turismo to me andMidnight Club, oh, was the two
pivotal Dub edition.
Bruh Remix too, dog, the dresswas crazy.
The great.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
First of all, by far one of the hardest soundtracks
in any game period.
Bro Facts Outside of the GTAline, but I mean it's Rockstar.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
So you know they always have fire.
Yeah, they did make Rockstar.
I, but I mean it's Rockstar.
So you know they always havefire.
Yeah, they did make Rockstar, Imean Rockstar did make Midnight
.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Club right yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Rockstar.
I just found this out Take TwoInitiative Is who make 2K and
Rockstar, so they both fallunder them.
Oh really, yeah, so that's why?

Speaker 1 (34:59):
I didn't know.
Take Two was under there.
2k.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Soundtrack be crazy too.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
I always knew like Sports games like Madden, yeah,
like they always had firesoundtracks, like you'd just be
in the menu just ready to runthrough somebody Crazy, and
that's the thing, man.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
So yeah, so racing was your thing, yep, and you
said Red Turismo and Need forSpeed was road and track.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, that was my first two that got me like
locked into racing, basicallyanything that's fun.
I would say my runner-up forracing would be like
story-driven games or adventuregames like action, you know.
So like the Tomb Raiders.
Yeah, the Uncharted games werecrazy man, I've been trying to

(35:42):
get into that man.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I think they had like it was free.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, they had like the whole trilogy.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, it was free.
Yeah, they had like the wholetrilogy yeah, it was free.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I was trying to get into that man, I ain't beat the
first one, but I beat all theother ones and man, they are
wild ride bro.
It's like playing a movie, isit?
It's the male version of, likeTomb Raider.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, so Tomb Raider man like I used to get so mad at
Tomb Raider bro.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
I so mad at Tomb Raider bro.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I loved it, though, man, because it was just like I
think that was like one of thefree games you got when you
first got the PlayStation,Because you had Parappa the
Rapper and you had Tomb Raideroh man, yeah, yeah man what?
Kick punch man what?
But yeah, so Tomb Raider wasdefinitely.
It was a.

(36:25):
I like the games for the factthat it's a critical thinking.
You have to think with thosegames Absolutely, and one is my
favorite Assassin's Creed.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Oh see, I don't think you could ever beat that game.
Nah, my brother was heavy inall the.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Assassin's Creed.
I don't think you can beat thegame, bro.
It's so long bro, Like it'slike Like all right, what's next
?
What's next?
What's next?
Like I've never seen anybody, Idon't even know if you can.
Yeah, I don't know either.
It's just a forever game.
But yeah, I try to get intothose games, man.
Yeah, I definitely.
On PlayStation Plus, I try tosee like what, what new games or

(37:07):
free games they got and try toplay, just download them, see
what it is.
But yeah, so you said UnchartedTomb Raider and what was the
other one?

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Racing got Adventure, action, action, adventure and
Shooter.
So I was, I was.
I was in the first Call of Duty, I was on that train and then
when Battlefield came out, Ibecame a Battlefield head,
battlefield, and that's been it.
Listen bro, like the new ageshooters, I really didn't get on

(37:39):
because they just do too much.
You have like gadgets andspecial effects and stuff and I
was like that's just too much.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Did you play the new Battlefield?

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, how do you like it.
One and five are my favorite.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
I was going to say three, three, oh, three, oh,
yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought youhad the latest one.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but three the best.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Up here, unmatched, throwing grenades and a wall,
blowing up a hole, blowing up inthe wall, absolutely Just
breaching everything.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
What man playing that full volume immersed?
Yes, I'm like I'm here.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
That's what I like, so five, I like it.
My boys don't, but I love itfor the simple fact it still has
some of the Battlefield 3elements.
I just think they rushed it andtried to put it out Because,
remember, you couldn't even talkto nobody in your squad unless
you was in a party chat, which Ididn't understand.

(38:36):
That For like a year or two youcouldn't talk to nobody and I'm
like man, why y'all rush thisgame when y'all know it's a One?

Speaker 1 (38:44):
the map is huge, you definitely got to squad up yeah
you got to squad up I got toknow what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, and I need to know hey, tell me what we're
going to do, what objective arewe getting, or whatever.
And I think sometimes, man,they just kind of like screwed
the pooch on that one man.
Yeah, but I still like itthough.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
That's why I said one and five.
Yeah, because one was just raw.
Yeah, it was just raw man.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, I think I like three the most because I was
living that world, the urbanwarfare, you know, what I mean
and it was like, okay, this isprobably the closest it's going
to get to reality.
But man, it's some other gamethat's about to come out.
I don't know if they're goingto release it, but that joint
looked super real, like I'm likeman when is this coming out?

(39:35):
I forgot the name of it, man, itwas a.
Some streamer guy was playingit and I was just like but he be
playing everything he wasplaying.
Man, he was playing this creepy.
This joint was scarier thanResident Evil.
Like scary game, oh man.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
I got a.
I feel like I got a sick thingwith scary games.
Bro, I will watch somebody playthe absolute most terrifying
horror game Like I tried it.
You know what I'm saying.
When I had my, I beat it, Ibeat it.
I played what is it?
Outlast yeah, A hell of a ride.
I played the DLC for OutlastBeat it Another hell of a ride.

(40:14):
Absolute, phenomenal game.
It's just like if we had amovie off of that, they would
have to do it right.
But if they did it right, itwould probably be one of the
best movies.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
That's dope Now.
That will lead me to the nextquestion man what game do you
think would be great for movies?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Well, you know they did Uncharted as a movie, did
they?
They did With uh.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Tom.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Holland and Mark Wahlberg.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
No bro, I never, I never, I thought it was
phenomenal, Like I thought itwas phenomenal.
Is it on what it's on Netflix?

Speaker 1 (40:48):
It's on everything now.
I think I absolutely enjoyed itbecause I played the game and
beat it, so it's not direct toit.
But Uncharted could be a movieabout its own thing because it's
literally treasures and youknow what's that?
One movie with Nicolas Cagewhen he like Not the Pirates of

(41:11):
the Caribbean.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
National Treasure.
National Treasure yeah, it'sstuff like that, where it can
always be something.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
I mean, they're still doing Indiana Jones, which is
crazy.
Which is crazy.
Let that man rest Right, letbro rest.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
That is crazy, but I don't even.
I don't even know when the lastIndiana Jones I ever seen.
I thought it was.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
I thought it was.
I saw an ad for it.
I was like man.
But yeah, okay, but yeah, theydid that movie.
What game.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
So you said Uncharted .
But what else Uncharted?

Speaker 1 (41:38):
I don't think, man.
Like they did Alien, Well, theyactually did.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Alien was first Then they did a game off Alien vs
Predator.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
It was Alien, it was the other way around.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
I mean, I don't know Some game, like it depends man.
Like I said, hit or miss, yougotta have the right team, yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Like doing it, yeah, and I think that's so.
Of course, you know, mortalKombat had they movies and stuff
like that.
Yeah, I think they gotta have aCall of Duty movie oh damn,
last of Us.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
They had a movie.
It's a series on HBO.
They absolutely killed that.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, oh my gosh oh man, I gotta check that out yeah
, me and my bro.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
it took a.
Well, he beat it.
I started playing it on streambut I never finished it, but I
watched somebody else play itand finish it, so I know the
thing.
But oh, man, like they do, likethe game and the TV show
side-by-side, bro.
Yeah, it's the same, if notbetter, because they took the
script writing and the sameproducers, same writers, same

(42:43):
developers that have worked onthe show.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
That's smart, if you're going to do it, do it the
right way, and I was like ify'all ever doing anything like.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Y'all need to take a key from this moving forward and
hit it.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, that's smart.
Yeah, I think they got to do itlike a Call of Duty Battlefield
.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
I think if they do that, they should do a series,
but like a yeah, yeah, cause, um, it's so much.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, it's too much.
Yeah, it's so much causeAdvanced Warfare, that's the
only one I didn't really like.
Yeah, that's the one thatturned me off.
Yeah, I was like, nah, I don'tknow if I'm ever getting another
one.
Yeah, cause you're doing a lotof gadgets and all that stuff
jumping up, right what theyalready jumping in.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
I was like why you See yeah nah.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, like nah.
But, yeah, man Gamingvideography.
What other hobbies do you?

Speaker 1 (43:35):
have.
Oh man, it's crazy.
I was just telling my bro I waslike man since you know I'm in
this space now and you know I'mnetworking, meeting people Like
I got this long list.
I got my notes of everythingfrom years that I just had ideas
.
I was like I'll just revisitthem when the time is right.
I had merch.

(43:58):
I want to come out with newmerch now.
So that's definitely going tobe a thing.
I'm still working out on whatit will be.
I definitely will be doing likeathletic wear.
Yeah, everybody's like real bigon keeping up with their health
and wellness yeah, man got to,that's a good market right there

(44:20):
and then just dope gear ingeneral.
You know I just want to wear myown stuff.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah, and that's how me and Kadeem we started ours.
It was for, like, because wealways rocked kicks.
We love kicks, like you know.
It would be dope if we hadshirts that go with our kick.
Absolutely, you know what Imean.
And that's how it started.
And then we just started justcreating more, creating more,
creating more.
Yeah, man, I seen you in thegym, man.
I definitely got back in thegym last December, man, because

(44:49):
I was just like yo, you knowwhat I mean, it's a love-hate
with me.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
With the gym.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, man, because like I did it, like think about
it, bro I was in the gym for 11straight years.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying,in the military, that's a
nonstop.
Yeah, it's like I'm running,then I'm going to the gym, then
I might run again.
Or we had this thing where wedid run, swim run.

(45:15):
We would run two, three miles,then swim 20-something laps,
then go back and run.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
You know what I'm saying 20 laps.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, bro.
So it was like yeah, like howmany, you know what I'm saying?
20 laps, yeah, bro.
So it was like yeah, like Likehow many, you know what I mean?
And it's like I got.
What happened was when thegirls came, that's when I was
like you really do feel the samesymptoms the moms do, like.
So I was just Snacking away andI I still was running, though I
was still working out, and thenit was like I just was like man

(45:46):
, I'm tired.
I got, I just like I'm tired.
But Kadeem was like bro, youshould get back in the gym
Because I couldn't sleep.
You know what I mean?
I had insomnia, bro.
And he was like bro get back inthe gym he's like the gym will
definitely help you, you knowwhat I mean?

Speaker 1 (46:09):
It like just wears naturally, yeah, and where's
about naturally physically likethis?
This week for me personally, Ihave been, I've been going
through with sleep and myinsomnia hasn't been active for
a while, I mean like years.
So I don't think I'm about tohave an episode, but I think
just because of I'm justnon-stop like yeah, with just
doing stuff, right, still comingoff the high from when bosses
meet.
Yeah, I just had a wedding Ihad to do Saturday.

(46:31):
Yeah, then I work Sunday, thenyou know, I roll right into this
week, yeah, and so it's likedamn, I just want a moment to
just do nothing and just catchup on like everything, like I
sleep.
Just, let me get a good reset.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
It'll come man.
That's what I learned, man?
It's like you gotta know whento just shut it down, Because if
not, it's gonna shut down whenyou don't want it to shut down
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
And I experienced burnout before yeah, that
burnout.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Is you really do crash?
You don't want to do nothing.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, you really crash.
I'm trying to not prolong itlike I had the first time, so
it's like I don't got much goingon, like it's starting to slow
down, like I mean only comingout here to do this, like only
work Friday.
I'm off this weekend.
You know it's Mother's Dayweekend Telling the kids the
family Shout out to the moms.

(47:25):
Shout out to all the mamas, themamas to be Pet moms, all the
moms.
If you help raise something.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Shout out to you, mom , mom, mother's Day.
Yeah, because you definitelyneed it.
Man, yeah, but it's crazy, man,mother's Day is literally right
around the corner.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
And we did Wimbledon's meet and then theem
planning for the next one.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Yeah, we've been.
Did he run some things by you?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:57):
He told me what you told him.
Yeah, it's going to be crazy.
He sent Matter of fact.
He sent me what you was talkingabout, bro.
Do you want to talk?
You want to say something aboutit?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Hey listen, bro, do you wanna talk?
You wanna say something aboutit?
Hey, listen, he told me so.
When bosses meet four, okay,cause I think the plan is here
is to make each one just alittle bit better than the next
one, right?
So the idea is to to dodifferent errors of hip hop.
So if you wanna just a quickgoogle of like, like the source

(48:34):
or, uh, double xl magazines, youknow, just showcasing, you know
the new artists are, what songsare popping right now, but
instead of that, you know havecreators, biographers, models,
business owners would dosomething like that.
So, you know, running by a bossman and I was like yo, I just

(48:54):
want to see how everybody feelabout it, cause I have ideas all
the time, because it's justlike when you go creative,
that's just what you do youthink of like you just have
these wild thoughts randomly berunning through your brain and
you be like that'd be fire.
Yeah.
So when y'all met all y'all, Iwas like this shit about to be
crazy.
I'm going to ask him anyway.

(49:14):
Like yo, I got an idea.
He was like what you talking?
I was texting to him.
He was like yo, this man calledme.
He FaceTimed me immediately.
Yeah.
He was like that's dope I waslike.
Okay, okay so.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
I'm not.
He hit me right after Like bro,look at what I just sent you.
Yeah, I was just like I'm like,oh yeah, this will be hard.
And I was like you know whatwould be Even crazier?
Because we don't.
I said Everybody Didn't justgravitate To hip hop.
I said why not Make it pop?

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Yeah, yeah, he was saying different, like
categories, different genresyeah, yeah, genres, yeah, yeah,
and he was like bruh, how didyou think of that?

Speaker 2 (49:50):
I said, bruh, you didn't gave me a concept.
I was already thinking.
You know, I do music like.
You know what I mean?
I'm a music producer engineer.
So it's like me.
I always think of those thingscause it's like we don't have no
magazine, no more for real,like the source been gone.
The XXL is still here, but it'slike who's really going to go

(50:13):
buy those?
Bro, that was my thing growingup.
I used to love going to readthe magazines.
Everybody did, man, you knowwhat I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
See what's going on, see what was going on.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
That was our social media.
Yeah, that was the social mediafor real.
Because we was like oh, SouljaBoy, who is this Right?
Oh, Jeezy, Me and Kadeem was inIraq when we heard, bro me and
him bought the Jeezy out firstalbum and Gucci man first album
because they both dropped in 05.
Wow, so we, bro, we got likethese portable DVD players in

(50:45):
the truck, banging that in thetruck, banging that in the truck
while we in Iraq in combat.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (50:52):
that's what's up, bro , doing crazy yeah that's crazy
and I be trying to tell peoplelike music is more than just
music.
Oh yeah, it's culture, it'slifestyle, it's how you was
brought up.
Like you know what I mean.
Like it tells stories and it'slike, even with this, I'm

(51:12):
telling you the story on how Ifound out about Atlanta.
You know what I mean.
Like I had family in Atlantaand, of course, outkast.
Like you know what I mean, oneof my favorite groups.
Shout out to the Dundon familytoo, and rest in peace to Rico
Wade.
But yeah, man, that was one ofmy favorite production teams.
You know what I mean OrganizedNoise it still is.

(51:34):
You know what I mean, but it'sjust so much music I just can't
pinpoint one, two, three, topexactly so many of them.
But yeah, man, when that firstcame out, man, I'm like to the
trap house in my trap house andit was like I can relate to that
because I'm from detroit.
I I have family, you know Imean in that type of time.
You know I'm saying, dealing,doing those things, and I was

(51:57):
just like man, this jointhitting, and then jay-zy come
out and then Boys in the Hoodcame out, like everything was
coming out around the same timeand I'm like yo.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
That was my one of my first CDs I was able to buy.
I couldn't, my mom wouldn't letme get NWA.
Yeah, but she let me get Snoop.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Which is crazy.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Exactly so I got Snoop CD, I got Dre's CD and I
got DMX's CD.
Those were my first three CDsthat I was able to buy.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
These kids don't even know about CDs bro, we were
just having this conversation.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
While I was doing it, I was like so do you know what
LimeWire is?
Do you know what we?
We were just like going throughthe history of like what we
grew up on.
She was just like don't find it.
Yeah, I don't know what.
None of this stuff is yeah butum, yeah, man, it's, it's music
and, to touch base on you, it'slike that's what got me through
high school.

(52:54):
Is I DJ'd?

Speaker 2 (52:55):
yeah, the soundtrack, bro, and that's what I've been
thinking about doing DJing.
Yeah about doing DJing yeah,because everybody was like yo,
tweez, you always like thisplaylist, like I even made a
workout playlist and I like itnow because Apple, you can share
it to everybody and everybodycan collab and add to it.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Nice yeah, so you can share it.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, so it's dope and um.
So yeah, they were like yoevery time, like we had like the
first one Bosses Meet we had,and everybody was like yo.
This playlist is hard.
And Kadeem asked me he's likebro, can you play some music and
stuff.
And I'm like all right, cool.
So you know, I was like the DJ,but I didn't have no DJ
equipment.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
You just had the playlist with you.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah, I just had my playlist, man, I had my playlist
and then he was asking forcertain things.
I throw it in.
But I really want to like learnhow to transition the music
with actual, like DJ equipment,Like some DDJs or something like
that, because that's anotherreason why I don't even really
go to clubs out here.
No more Like for one, I'm older, but two like I be listening to

(53:58):
these DJs' transitions Trash,Trash, Absolute, horrible.
And it's like you playing top40 stuff, bro.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah, man you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Like play the real stuff.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Play.
The people that's in the clubPlay to your crowd Exactly.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
You know what I mean.
If it's Glorilla, play someGlorilla.
If it's Sexy Red, play Sexy Red.
But you know what I'm saying?
It's like, come on, bro, likeyou playing the same stuff, and
when I see you again At anotherlocation, you playing the same
Stuff, and that's what.
That's what I was.
Like, man, I wanna start DJing,and I don't wanna do it To like
DJ events, I just wanna do itBecause that's another Arsenal

(54:39):
to have as a producer.
And an engineer.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Exactly man.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Just adding that element of it because, like I
love sampling you know what Imean I love doing, even with
editing, bro, like this, editingwith the podcast is just like
engineering Adding things,producing.
I'm adding clips, Like for thisone, because we're using it off
the phone, right.
Like, of course, I'm going tobe combining clips, but I'm also

(55:04):
adding in commercials you knowwhat I mean of my sponsors.
It's a whole production.
Yeah, it's a whole production.
So it's like I relate to it soeasy.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Yeah, man, that's definitely, that's dope.
Like man, being being anengineer in production is like
just just saying that, like likeclean, you know, because that
is, that is something.
That is like a one-up, and eveneven doing that and what you

(55:35):
know to add another thing toyour revenue, man is like a
master class to show people howto do what you do, or teach them
the basics at least.
Yep, and that right there, likejust the business stuff.
Like when you learn somethingand you go through every motion
to get to where you are likeokay, now I'm at a point where I

(55:57):
could teach somebody else howto do this, and that's when you
really be bossing up.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Just when you really be bossing up, that's when you
teach somebody to do somethingand then it's like, oh shit,
like this dude, he not do this,he not do this, he not do this,
what can't he do?
I don't know, I'll figure itout when I find out Exactly.
But other than that man, likeI'm going to keep pushing it,
I'm going to keep pushing it.
I just feel like it justprepares you for whatever.
Yeah, man, you got to be man.
I feel like anything you wantto do in life, man, you got to

(56:27):
figure, you got to find out howto do it.
Yeah, yourself.
Yeah, because you could be told.
Yeah, people are going to tellyou all day, hey, do it like
this.
To come back with it and belike why I'm doing it this way,
why is it this way?
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
And then from there, Think of it like this Like we
all went to school Well, I'massuming we all went to school,
right, we all had teachers, theyall taught us something that
was like the standard, and weall ended up with our own way of
what we was taught and youpicked up on, you gravitated to
what subject touched you themost.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yep, like, all right, cool math, boom.
All right history, boom, allright English.
Like you know what I mean.
You knew everybody.
That's how you kind of likefigure out where you want to go
ahead, get ahead in life.
It's from those standards.
But you learn to alter thosestandards to where you're really

(57:26):
trying to go, because sometimesthe standards ain't the success
route Absolutely.
But yeah, man.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I always say that, and my math teacher be so proud
of me now.
I was a problem in math, bro.
I did not.
Math for some reason was not mything.
And then they started puttingletters with numbers and shapes
and numbers and letters.
I'm like oh, oh, nah, I don'tknow what y'all got going on,

(57:57):
but this ain't for me, bro.
I don't know what happened, butthe pluses, the minuses, I'm
cool with that Everything else Iwas like not having it.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Yeah, and I think that's where I feel like,
education-wise, that's wherethey need to start honing in on
the skills and bringing back theelectricians, bringing back the
Voters yeah, man, they don'thave shop classes and stuff.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
No, more.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I went to shop classes and all that.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
You know what I mean shop classes and stuff.
No more.
I went to shop classes and allthat.
You know what I mean.
Home ec learn how to cookbreakfast.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Yeah, bruh, all that, all of that, bro.
They need to bring that back,because everybody ain't meant
for to just go and do book workall the time.
Yeah, but the book work don'tnecessarily get you where you
trying to go.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying,so I'll tell people that All
the time, man.
But before we get out of here,though Okay, I didn't do it With

(58:47):
Kadeem when bosses meet, Ialways do this thing.
It's called Gym class.
Gym class G-E-M, g-e-m, yeah,so what gym.
Can you give To the relativesout there that they can, you
know, add to their toolbox andhelp them?
You know what I mean.
Get you know, traverse throughlife.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Oh man, let me sip some water on this.
That was a big one.
I know A big one.
Man dropping gems.
I will share this with you guys.
Man dropping gems.
I, I, I will share this withyou guys.
Personal experience is dowhatever it is that you want to

(59:42):
do.
But not only that.
What I really want to say is,when you do whatever it is you
want to do, don't listen to thatvoice in the back of your head
that says you can't.
And I'm going to prepare youfor the hard.

(01:00:02):
Truth is not everybody is goingto support you.
Family, friends, close ones,loved ones, all of that.
Just get ready for it.
It will be false love.
They will try to talk you outof it.
They will try to say you're tooold or too this, or you really

(01:00:25):
want to do this.
They'll try to sway you.
Stick, stand on business withit.
Stick to your guns.
Stand on business, because ifyou let the smallest voice win
you over, your direction isgoing to change.
Your momentum is going tochange, your energy is going to
change.
Your momentum is going tochange, your energy is going to
change and you're just going tobe like yeah, you're right,

(01:00:48):
you're going to give in, don'tgive in relatives, don't give in
stand on business, on what youwant to do and do it damn good.
You're going to fail, but lookforward to the fail, because
that's when you learn to do itbetter that's game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
That's a hell of a gym.
That was like a few gyms in one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
You know, hey, I'll take that man, I'm a giver.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
I'm a giver, hey, man , it's wrong.
Ain't nothing wrong with beinga giver, man, ain't nothing
wrong with it.
You got to get a game.
You got to give it because youcan't.
If you don't take, it's justout there.
Yeah, it's just out there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
It's just out there, it's just going to stay floating
.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
You know, yeah, it's just going to be in the clouds,
man, it's in the clouds.
So, man, I appreciate you, bro,frankie, man, you're super dope
.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Appreciate you for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yeah, man, we definitely got to get some more.
You know, work in it ain't evengot to be, stuff and everything
.
But yeah, man, I appreciate youcoming down man Taking that
ride.
Oh man, the ride from Chantillyman.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
That's a different topic, that's a different,
that's a different conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Right there, man it takes people like you to get to
where you're trying to go,because that lets you know how
serious people are.
Yeah, man, like when they makethem drive that hour and a half
drive just to get here, just toshoot the pot.
Yeah, man, because to keep it abean.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yeah, I had so many.
I had so many things that badhabits was kicking in my brain,
bro.
Yeah, just backing out ofthings, because that was that
back of the head talking to youthat back of the.
It's like yo find something,like yo, we got to reschedule.
Yeah, we got to do somethingand that's on me.
That's something that I've beenworking with and that's way
better now, but I would talkmyself out of something so quick

(01:02:30):
, Easily, easily.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
We good at that.
Virgo's definitely good at that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Oh man.
But since I said yes to thatone thing, I've been saying yes
to everything.