Making Connections: The Real Currency in the Music Industry

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Boom, we back, we back.
We are back with another.
Relationships Worth More ThanMoney podcast.
I am Tweezy, as y'all all knowwho I got to the writing Sean
Ski, and A Place To Be.
Yo, we met what two years ago?
Yeah, it's been that long right.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hasn't been.
It might be three.
It's crazy.
I think it's probably beenabout two.
Oh, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
I think it's probably been about two oh 2025.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
That means 2023.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
We met at the event.
What was the name of that?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
event.
I know it was like free, it washouse and free space.
But it was a different curator.
But that's where I remembermeeting you, yeah, yeah, because
I know her as Noe.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
It was a different curator, but that's where I
remember meeting her?

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, yeah, because I know her as Noe, but her artist
name is Honey Electric.
Okay, yeah, so, and then I metall of y'all, kent Black,
everybody there, and Kent Blackhe was.
I was supposed to be the DJthat day.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, and I wasn't tripping, though, because he was
playing some joints.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
I never heard, so I was like yo keep doing your
thing bro I'm just here.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, nah, it's like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, and I met you and I heard your music and that
was the whole thing.
Like I'm always good at likebeing in spaces like that, but
like just hearing new music, newsounds, I think that's what
really catch my ear Like, and Iwas like yo U-Fire, what was the
other girl's name?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Nai, nai was there.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
yeah, nai is crazy, nai is crazy, and there was a
couple of other artists that Iwas like yo, I want to work with
y'all, but you know, you know,life be lifin'.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
It do, and then you know some people.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
That's how you know when people are really serious
or they just scared to get outtheir comfort zone.
It be a lot of both of thosethings sometimes Because I you
know, I just played some beatsand you was like yo, I need that
.
And to this day I'm stilltrying to figure out what beat
it was.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I don't even remember Like I wish it was like some
more footage from that nightRight, and nobody, nobody got
the footage.
Nah, not that I didn't get any,I would have, I would have.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I would have.
I'm trying to figure that jointout.
But yeah, other than that man,talk to me about Shonski, like
where you from.
You know, let's take it all theway to the beginning.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
I'm from Baltimore.
I'm from East Baltimore, to beexact, east Baltimore, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
What's the difference ?

Speaker 2 (02:38):
So it's always been a thing about East and West.
I feel like I was too young toreally know what the thing was,
but when you go outside inBaltimore, they always ask you
from over East or you from overWest?
I'm from over East.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, okay, that's like Detroit, like what side you
from, east side West side, true, you know what I mean, but it's
you know other.
North side Southwest, but it'salways East-West.
That's the first thing.
Like they ask you you fromDetroit, what side are you?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
All the time they really say like East-side niggas
is like crazy, like inBaltimore.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Like retarded crazy.
But you know that's not true.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Okay, all right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
East-side of Detroit, everybody crazy, you know know,
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
East side, west side, everybody, everywhere is crazy.
I think me personally Frombeing from the east side but
living on the west side when mydad Stayed off Grand River.
It's like certain pockets Onthe west side that's like you
don't wanna go.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I feel you.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
East side is like Yo, wherever you at, you know what?
I mean Depending on where,except for, like, where I'm from
.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I'm from East 8 Mile, so like that was the high
quality ghetto okay, so that'skind of like how like Rice's
town is and Baltimore type shitis it like nice areas?
Yeah, it's a little like whenyou start getting like Gwendolyn
Maryland, like it's like grass,like it's like kind of Grass,
green grass, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Everybody cut their yard.
They take care of their yard.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Exactly Everybody got driveways, I feel it and you
can get a porch you know, what.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
I mean Because, like you go like six miles you know
what I'm saying when my middleschool was from like some people
ain't have porches, ooh andgrass, like they just the dirt,
yeah, you know.
Go through the side door, okay.
So yeah, we ain't, we ain'treally, it just depends where
you at.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I feel it.
It just all depends where youcome, yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Baltimore Eastside.
What?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
else More about me.
I've been doing music for aslong as I can remember.
As a kid I liked to perform formy family and their friends.
When they came over I would goget my karaoke box and be like
yo, you gotta let me sing foryou, you gotta let me do
something for you.
So I always liked to entertainpeople.

(04:53):
I started getting into music Iwould say elementary school.
I did the shows, you know whatI'm saying.
I was into stuff like that.
High school same thing, youknow, like I sing at after
school programs and that's kindof how I got introduced to like
serious artistry, like actuallygoing to studio recording.

(05:14):
In high school I met this guynamed Marcus and he was an
engineer and he was like, yeah,like I'd be recording myself all
the time that you should comethrough, all the time that you
should come through, camethrough, started recording and I
just kind of fell in love withbeing in the studio and I kept
wanting to do it.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
What was?
Is it his own studio, like kindof like my setup it?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
was kind of.
You know what I'm saying.
It was back in the G, like wefresh out of high school so we
was in, yeah, but the sound wasthere.
Yeah, the sound was there.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
He definitely has an ear for sure, you still keep in
contact with him.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, still, what's up, marcus?
I still keep in contact withMarcus.
He's still singing.
He's still engineering, doinghis thing.
What?

Speaker 1 (05:56):
do you feel, like you said, high school Was high
school, like when you reallytook it?
The artistry series?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Nah, like I feel, like I wanted to but, at the
time like my family was realinto me getting a trade and me
having a real career, like thatwasn't real to them.
So I was trying to figure itout and it just got to a point
where it's like I can't, I can'trun away from this, like it's
everywhere.
So I'm going to do it.

(06:24):
And I decided when I was aboutlike 18, 19, like all right, I'm
really going to do it for real,okay.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
What was it like in your childhood?
What was like the typical daycoming up in your household Like
was it like because I'll tellyou, like my grandfather played
music and stuff like that, likewhat inspired you as far as
music-wise or theater, orwhatever.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
I come from a big family.
I wasn't like a theater kid oranything like that, but I come
from a big family and music wasalways like.
They always had music playingLike my aunts and my mom, my mom
was like that mix of R&B,neo-soul, but she liked her rap
music too.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
My dad, same kind of bag andwhen I would go with my cousin,
my aunts, that's where I got allthe gangster rap music from and

(07:12):
I fell in love with gangsterrap.
You know, being a kid.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Okay, Side note.
Rest in peace to Angie Stone.
She passed away today.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
I just saw her.
That is terrible.
Car accident, that's terrible.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
You know what I'm saying?
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I can't take all these legends just like passing
away, like this, just like that.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
You know what I mean.
But yeah, for you.
So you had the melting pot ofmusic.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
It was just music everywhere, everywhere,
everywhere.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
And then, when you started taking it serious, what
made you go, because I bothheard singing and rapping what
made you go both ways, as far assticking with both instead of
just sticking with one?

Speaker 2 (07:52):
When I started recording with Marcus, I was
just singing.
He had me singing, he waswriting all the music, producing
the songs and stuff.
So I was singing and it feltmore comfortable because I kind
of always did that.
I did that more Right, but Iliked the rap when I got by
myself, yeah, and I wanted toget good at it, because you know

(08:12):
, people always be like oh youdon't, let me write for you, let
me.
I just be real funny aboutpeople writing raps for me.
So I kind of had to sit withthat and I would say like during
that time, my brother had likediscovered this producer on
YouTube, like he was.
You know, he's fire, he's stillfire.
His name is Fresco Stevens andwe started, like you know,

(08:34):
listening to his beats and goingthrough his catalog and I found
this one joint Mind you, thisis probably like 12 years ago or
10 years ago, when it wasn'treally like that when it wasn't
really when it wasn't reallylike that, and I wrote and I
recorded my first rap song,right yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:48):
so what was the name of it?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Super, cool, super.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
And it's actually Going to be on my new project.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
See, I'm about to ask Like where is it?

Speaker 2 (08:56):
You know I slept on it For a long time Because you
know I didn't know when I wantedto go with that particular
sound.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
What do you feel like if you can put yourself as tell
my age, like Voltron?
You know Voltron, kinda Allright.
So like so, voltron, you hadthe head, the arms, the body,
the legs.
Like what would you putyourself as like if you were to

(09:26):
build an artist like yourself?
Like who would be like the top?
Who would be your head?

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
That's a good question.
My head would probably It'llprobably be Pac, for sure Pac.
It'll probably be Pac, for surePac.
It'll probably be Pac.
That's crazy.
I got a Pac shirt on.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
I'm under this one.
Okay.
So Pac is the head, the armsare Penn.
Who's your Penn?

Speaker 2 (09:57):
My Penn.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Penn.
I would say it's like a mixbetween like bone and currency.
So bone thugs and harmony,mm-hmm.
Okay, all right, bone thugs andharmony and currency.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
All right.
Who the legs?
All right, it's two legs, so awhole lot, so a whole lot, all
right.
So the two legs, so a whole lot, so a whole lot, all right.
So the legs would have to beLauryn Hill Fire, and I'm going
to go ahead and give it toKendrick.
Like, kendrick's been a realbig inspiration.
I've been following him Crazy.
I've been following him foreveryou know what I'm saying and to
see where he is now, like I'mso proud of him.

(10:44):
But he's always inspired me asa lyricist.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, okay, so the Legs, kendrick and Lauryn Hill,
lauryn Hill, All right, who'sthe body?

Speaker 2 (10:53):
The body Nas.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Nas, nas, that's nasty, that's nasty.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Nas is the body.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, that's nasty.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
So all of those artists are like your foundation
of what you listen to and whatyou think is what inspired you.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Like, how do you go into every song or every album
with having that Voltron, thatmakeup of who you were inspired
by?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
You know, I try to really approach the
instrumentals.
You know off of how I guess Ifeel and like I had this
question asked to me in anotherinterview and it was like they
never heard nobody say like youknow, beats or instrumentals
kind of like inspire orinfluence the words that's going
to come from a song, but for meI just kind of feel like the
beats just tell a mood.

(11:45):
I listen to a lot of jazz musicand a lot of music without
words, so it's like you kind ofhave to find that feeling inside
of it, right?

Speaker 1 (11:53):
So yeah, and I'm glad that you say that.
You know me being a producerwhen I start.
That's my main, that's my love.
Engineering is my thing too.
But I feel like you the firstartist that said that, like you
know what I'm saying.
That's wild, Like it's crazy,because I used to always like
get into these back and forthswith artists and I'd be like yo,

(12:19):
take the beat away, go ahead,let me hear you rap.
You know what I mean, becauseyour rap ain't going gonna be
the same feeling.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
That you?
Yeah, it's like the rap, it'slike more of a compliment To the
beat and um, yeah, and we needeach other For real.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Because sometimes I be like yo.
I would've never thought ofthat Exactly Cause you know Me
being a producer.
A lot of people don't know Iwas rapping, for you know what I
mean.
I was trying to rap.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
And I couldn't.
Me personally, I didn't want tofake it till I make it.
Yeah, talk about all the stuffthat I don't got.
I feel you.
I feel you, but I respectpeople that do it and come up
with the words and the stuff andI'm like doing it, not knocking

(13:07):
.
But for me I'm like my boy, kohe.
Um, I used to go to the studioin detroit and he was the first
person I ever seen like had astudio in his house in the
basement.
But it was legit, like you hadto.
He had to put in a passcodejust to get in the door in the
basement and I'm like, yeah,open it up.
He had his own section for likethe engineering and production
part of it.
Then he had the other sectionof where, like you know, the
recording was yeah, and like Iused to talk to him and it just

(13:31):
made me realize like yo, I wantto be on production side.

Speaker 3 (13:36):

Speaker 1 (13:37):
And I'm like I don't want to do all of this, I just
want to produce it and helpsomebody else.
So, yeah, you saying that likethat's, I mean it's just a
compliment to each other because, like when we making beats, I
name all my beats and sometimesI know artists that just go off
the name of the beat.
Yes, and I'm like you don't gotto go off the name, just go off

(13:58):
what you feel, because I'veknown people, that you know
artists that that can hearsomething different.
Yeah, and I'd be like I neverthought of that.
So for you saying that that'slike super, super dope, because
it's like yo, people really dosit back and listen to
instrumental.
Yeah, you have to.
Yeah, so that's that's dope,that's dope, what?
Um?
So that's part of your processjust sitting, how many songs do

(14:22):
you probably go through beforeyou be like that?
That's that, that's the one.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
To be honest, like sometimes it's just like you get
a pack, like I used to getpacks probably like 10, 15 beats
in it.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
And going through it can be crazy, but I always would
try to like sit some time aside, like you know.
All right, I'm about to roll upyou know smoke, so this would
be a perfect time.
Just kind of go through thebeats.
Yeah, nine times out of nine.
It's probably only two in apack that I'm going to pick
Right.
Nine times out of nine.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
So, you got a 20% chance 20%.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
And you know, because a lot of times, like people,
like a lot of producers, reallylike to stay like, like within
what's current, which is it'scool.
It's cool, obviously you knowfor what it is, but I really I'm
the kind of artist I reallylike B size, like when I listen
to albums.
I like the deep album cut songs, yeah, and a lot of times the

(15:15):
production on that you'd be likeall right, I see why this a B
cut.
You know what I want todiversify my catalog versus
every song just sounding likethe same thing that you hear and
that's like.
You know, that's what I begetting from PAX.
So that's why it's always a 20%chance 20% chance.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, Okay.
So for the producers out there,if you send in Ski Sean, you
send her something.
Just know two of them might,Two of them might.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
That's why Currency's one of my favorite artists.
Do they normally?

Speaker 1 (15:45):
send ten or are there more Sometimes?

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Sometimes, like sometimes they might send one.
If you send one and it's notgood and I don't reply back,
it's because I'm not reallyfeeling it.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
You know, and Currency's One of my favorite
artists, because you can tellwhen he go through packs.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, he pick the beats that they can't rap over
like nobody I love the fact thathe he really like he he goes
through and do a whole albumwith just that one producer I
know, so like he don't have togo through the full process.
He's dealing with just oneproducer, all right, I'm getting
all of these beats from him,absolutely because they can kind

(16:19):
of put together like a styleand a sound and you know like
I've I've explored with that andI see you know.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I see you know like I've explored with that and I
see you know, I see why you knowartists like himself do that.
But when you can really lock inwith a producer and y'all just
dare you know what I'm saying,that's golden, because Currency
and Alchemist together, honestlyAlchemist and anybody together-
is insane.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Alchemist is so.
Fire what.
Listen.
It's like the more he drops,it's like he's going up my top
producer list.
Yeah, because he's always beenone of my favorites.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
I feel it.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
But for me as a producer, it's so many producers
that I like that.
I love you know what.
I'm saying Because, just fromhearing the music, the
instrumentation, I remember he Ithink he might have been the
first producer that came outwith an instrumental tape Like
back in like the early 2000s,and I'm like yo, this shit's
crazy that is crazy, you knowwhat I'm saying, and nobody was

(17:09):
doing it, and I'm like this dudedropping instrumentals and like
, of course, like back then, Iwould try to write to him or
whatever, but you know me, I wastoo busy on the 36 mafia way I
feel it and you know what I mean, and just cash money and no
limit, Like, because that'sanother question too like.
But that shit was just crazybecause, like you know what I'm

(17:31):
saying, like we had an era 2000swas, it was a time, it was a
time.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
And it's like come on a lot of the influence, like
OutKast for me is a hugeinfluence.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Big influence.
What the whole Dungeon family?
The whole thing, the wholeDungeon family, the whole thing,
like all of them, and then youknow, like for me it's like you
listen to all of that and thenyou come back.
So now, like with my daughters,what I try to do is I will when
they I really would.
I go back and play somebodythat did that same beat, because

(18:07):
I'm like yo.
This is not Polo the Don, thisPolo the Don beat so then I go
back and play that song and letthem hear that one throw some
D's on it and then I go back tothe actual original sample
exactly so they can understandlike hey, music always gets
recycled, they just create it intheir own way, which I still
think is dope.

(18:27):
It is dope Because 30 for 30 isso simple.
It's so simple, but look at itLike it's up there.
So, yeah, yeah, that music,like we could talk all day about
it I know right, music begetting me.
Every time.
I just you know what I'm saying, I be hype about it because
it's like so much you know whatI mean.
But yeah, for you what youthink like as far as, like you

(18:52):
said, you talking about Kendrick, but what you think, how you
feel about the hip hopatmosphere right now.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
You know it feels like real interesting right now.
You know it feels like realinteresting right now.
Right now it feels like that alot of things can like resurface
or like a new sound can comeabout, because everybody kind of
got open mind Right.
I feel like right now is wideopen.
It's just a feeling that I have.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
So if you want to be experimental, now is the time to
be experimental in my opinion,and it's crazy that that beat
that you heard that day Iprobably made that beat like
five for real prior to that and,like you said, like you listen
to the beats and sometimespeople don't be on that they're
not on that wave with everybodyelse on which, like I can make

(19:41):
what everybody else can, but Idon't like to go and experiment
different sounds.
If it sounds dope, I feel likesomebody can jump forward to it.
So, yeah, it's definitelyinteresting.
I just seen something earlier,like everybody, that beef with
Drake, like all of their songs,is like either 10 times, 9 times

(20:03):
, 8 times, eight times, seventimes, six times, like five
times platinum, like you knowwhat I'm saying, it's like I
just seen ASAP, his joint seventimes platinum, the song he got
with Drake and I'm like yo.
Why would y'all like?
Why y'all y'all?
I don't understand it.
You know what I mean?
Because for me, I'm fully, I'ma full Drake fan, I'm a full

(20:25):
Kendrick fan, I'm a fan of music, right.
So when I heard the battle, I'mlike, yes, this the Jay and Nas
that we getting.
That everybody else before usgot.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
So I'm like all right , cool.
So I'm like all right, kendrickDrake 1-1.
And then it's like back andforth right.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
And then when Kendrick dropped them two, and
I'm just like, yeah, nah it washonestly I kinda felt like that
when Drake did the, the AI jointyeah.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
I didn't think it would be received.
Well, yeah, I'm like why'd youdo that?

Speaker 2 (20:57):
yeah, I said the same thing and I'm like it could've
been hard.
But first just the Pac thing.
You already like I love Pac, soPac okay, cool, but Snoop is
alive.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
You could have got him to do it.
Snoop is alive, but he knewSnoop was doing it.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, snoop wasn't doing that, and that's what I
love about the West Coast.
The West Coast, they don'tnormally side with somebody else
, and that's why I like theunity that they got with
Kendrick, I feel it Because theWest Coast and I always tell
people Texas and the West Coast,literally California.
You can literally go platinumor go big and be a household

(21:36):
name and nobody know youeverywhere else.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
You know what I'm saying, yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Especially in those two states.
Word so like for them to likeall back him.
Yeah, I'm like for them to likeall back him.
Yeah, I'm like damn even likethe Bay.
Everybody was with it, but Idon't know, man.
It's just like how did it getthere?
That's my only thing is like,bro, what happened?
Y'all was on tour together.

(21:58):
Drake put you on.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
What happened?

Speaker 1 (22:00):

Speaker 2 (22:01):
You know, it's like you never know, industry stuff
can get real wild right andlisten, I done seen the wildest
of the wildest.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I believe you and people like you know what I mean
.
And I'm not even I'm just likefoot, like at the door.
You know what I mean and I justseen just like people backdoor
you, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, nah, it's every man for themselves most of the
time and it don't make sense.
It don't, because it's likeroom for everybody for real.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
And I always said that, like it's enough food for
everybody, like ain't nobodyeating off the same plate, it's
enough food for everybody to gettheir own plate.
I hope this year they'll dropsome more music, because the new
Drake joint with Party is dope.
Yeah, it's fire and people arelike, oh, this joint trash.

(22:50):
I said dog, the song is calledSexy Music.
It's for you to do somethingwith your lady or your
significant other.
You know what I'm saying so I'mlike why y'all tripping over it
Like this joint fire?
But I didn't like like youthrew the little quick, little
jabs in there on the one song.
It's like, bro, like youcould've did that for your album
.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, nah facts.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
But it's cool, I'm still a Drake fan, still a
Kendrick, always gonna be aKendrick fan.
Both of them Can't beat them.
You can't beat them, yeah, nahlike.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I mean, you don't have to agree with how Drake
approached this beef, but youknow he's still Drake.
He's still Drake, it's stillgoing to be songs that come on.
And you're going to be singingand rapping it right with him,
because it's like that.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Facts.
You spoke about Lauryn Hill.
Is there any other femaleartists?

Speaker 2 (23:46):
you know I mean of course, uh, erica badu, I love
badu, I love jill scott, um, Ijust, I really love neo soul.
It's just like so many women inthe neo soul category that I
could.
You know that I can get intoand I've really been getting
into like international artiststoo, Like I love Eni.

(24:07):
Love Eni.
She's from London, she's arapper, she's dope, I love Lay.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Full Stop.
She got that hard London accent.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
It's really hard.
You know what I'm saying and Ibelieve, like maybe she might be
Nigerian too, like you know,but dope so, so like you can
check her out, I like Lay FullStop and I don't.
You know, I kind of really Justbeen into A whole lot of
Different music Lately, likelately.
It's just I can't even name toyou, cause if I hear Something I
like I'm just straight Addingit to the playlist.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, and that's how I was At the Free Space joint
Cause Kent was playing man,what's that girl?
It was a girl rapper, she fromBaltimore area.
She got like colorful dreadsSee man, what's her name?
It was like that joint was hardbut Naya knew it and Kent was

(24:55):
just, you know he was jammingout to it.
I'm like yo, I got to ask this?

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Who is this?

Speaker 1 (25:00):
But she's dope so that's how I like me.
I like to interact and seewhat's out there.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
I do too.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I don't be outside like that I'm about to be 40
this year.
I feel it.
I don't be outside to the pointwhere I'm in the clubs, but I
definitely go out to just listento some dope music.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
No facts.
I like some good music now.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, if I go to a.
My thing used to be the openmics.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
The open mics.
You're going to find some firein there.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Most of the time I feel like, you know, the open
mic scene has become I don'tknow.
I don't feel like it's the same, like it used to be.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
It's like pay for play now, yeah definitely,
definitely that.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
But you know, when you really get into the
underground stuff, like I wentto an underground party last
night at the Biddle, shout outto K, shout out to Reem.
But I said it.
So, is it?
It's in Baltimore.
It's 1 West Biddle Street.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
And yo, they just had DJs in there like going off man
, it was cool.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
You definitely gotta come through.
It was fire.
Definitely gotta come through.
Yeah, cause yeah, that's thething.
It's just like I love to hearnew music and then work with the
artists coming up.
Yeah, cause, um, sometimes youmight, you might, work with an
artist and they feel like they,they, they, they met, their,
their match, or they, they hirethey just go off and then you

(26:25):
just out.
You just like out the windowwhatever, but working with like
an artist from scratch to me islike the best if.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I'm gonna work with an artist.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
I'm gonna work with them.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
I agree.
I agree like a lot of artists,like we need the direction.
Sometimes I feel like we thinkwe might have it all figured out
.
Yeah, once you take the songsoutside that's the real test.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
That's the real test Because you can be.
That's what I be trying to tellpeople.
You can be in a studio orwhatever with your people and
they turning up.
But if you ain't, if ain'tnobody be like, I don't know
about that.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
That's what I'm saying and go into places and
spaces where people do not knowyou at all.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, and that's for me, that's like our validation
too for producers, uh-huh.
So, like you know me playingthose beats and everybody like
yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yo, that night was that night was crazy.
That shit was crazy.
I didn't hear a beat that Ididn't like.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
My brother Luke.
So, luke, I didn't know Lukewas coming either.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Like me and bro been together for the longest.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
We part of Sound Cartel like a production company
from my boy, shotta.
I don't know if you know MarkShotta.
He's from Be More Too, fromBaltimore, and like his
production is crazy.
So like he, you know him, him,him.
South it's a bunch of usProduction producers or whatever
, and I ain't think Lou wasgoing to be.

(27:43):
I ain't know Lou was going tobe there.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
I just be like what you doing here, like oh, what's
the name of vitamin?

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Oh, makes sense.
Yeah, nah Because that's how wemet Me, him, noe, noe and her
dad were all in a beatcompetition like years before
that.
That's tough.
You know what I'm saying Likeyears.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Like I think 2018.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying and we've been in
communication and contact eversince Mm-hmm and ever since man,
like her and her dad, like I'm,like yo, that's dope, like
granted, if my daughters want tomake beats, that'd be dope.
That is so tough it's justcrazy, like they were in it
together.
Like you know what I mean goingagainst other people and I'm

(28:23):
like this shit, crazy.
Nah, I feel the same way butbeing in there in that event, in
that environment, and then thefood was busting it was you know
what I mean it was everythingyou know.
The vegetables was good you know, it was very good it was tasty
yeah so just saying I'm he'stired you know what I mean, and

(28:43):
it's good like yeah that's onething about me I never hate like
you need help with something oryou need like like uh,
assistance on like how to docertain things because, I'm the
same way, like how you do that Idon't play no piano, but people
be thinking it.
You know, I just have a ear likeI can cut things up.
Chop things up, I can, you know.
I mean play a chord here andthere.

(29:04):
See that's that's needed.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
You know it's needed it's like.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
But when I, when I hear new people, I'm like that's
fire, let's work.
I mean let's, let's, let's,let's link and let's do
something.
You know some people, like yousaid, it'd be both they'd be
scared or they just be in theirown way, or yeah, it'd be so
much of that.
It'd be both they'd be scaredor they'd just be in their own
way, or they don't want to getout of the environment it'd be
so much of that.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
It'd be so much of that.
And it's like I've definitelytried to seize as many like
opportunities or, you know,chances to network and connect
with people as much as I can,because us, as artists, don't
realize it's hard out here.
Yeah, you know it's reallydifficult.
And if you don't know you like,develop some soft skills, you

(29:44):
know, yeah, start talking topeople, because you need
producers, you need studios, youneed engineers, you need
photographers, you needvideographers, you need all of
those things right.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Everybody work together Exactly, but that be
the thing too.
It's like for us.
It's like certain areas, peoplewant to gatekeep and it's like,
wow, you know what?

Speaker 2 (30:07):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Really, for no reason .
There's no reason.
Yeah, just want to gatekeepBecause you go to Atlanta.
They all like, hey, here, let'sdo this, let's do that.
I've heard that so much.
You go to Cali, cali, the sameway, even though all of the you
know the gang bangs, you gottaknow where you at.
True, you know what I mean.
But other than that, they stillworking.
Same thing in Texas too, inDallas, in Dallas, for sure,

(30:29):
I've been in the scene and I'mjust like yo, like I know a few
people, and I'm like yo, this isdope.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, I gotta get down there yeah, I know somebody
that's from Dallas and he'sdoing this thing down there.
Shout out 91, because you know,seeing people's like growth
over the past five years iscrazy.
It's super crazy.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
It's crazy.
And you'd be like damn, like Iremember when he was just doing
this, and that's the dope partabout it too is like you really
see people grow and they still.
They're still human beings.
They're not better than you.
They're not acting like they'rebetter than you Actually some
people be trying to bring youwith them.

Speaker 2 (31:06):

Speaker 1 (31:07):
If you pay attention.
But you know some people, youknow it's that two-sided thing.
Like somebody somebody might bescared and somebody just might
be in their own way.
But you know, I feel like, forinstance, the DMV hella
gatekeeper.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
It's definitely a lot .
I'm not even gonna hold youY'all.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
don't call yourself the DMV.
Some people don't.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
No, baltimore, don't we Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah, y'all Baltimore , we Baltimore.
But we down here and it's likethe gatekeeping is crazy.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
I've honestly witnessed so much of it and you
know, I'm not going to lie it'sdiscouraging because you want to
collaborate as an artist.
A lot of times you really needcollaboration and some people
look at it like, oh, you're notabout to jump on my wave or I
ain't looking for no new friends, and it's like I feel you.
But I'm just trying to grow outhere.
I'm trying to get from thispoint to that point and

(32:00):
sometimes people don't even knowif you're coming to them Like I
don't mind paying for whateverservices that I'm asking you for
but you don't even want nomoney.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Like what's going on and that's the crazy part Like
it's like it can be a businesstransaction or it can still be a
friendship transaction.
Like it can be both or it canbe just one Mm-hmm, but let's
connect and let's build.
And I think that's the issuethat I see day in and day out.

(32:32):
A lot of people follow Mm-hmmand then, after they followed
the person for so long, theyfollow somebody else and then
now they're getting a differentdirection from them and then
it's like well, this person wastelling me that, now you telling
me this, but I'm still in thesame place.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
You know what I'm saying Exactly.
Instead of just building andbuilding.
And I always tell people, man,this joint is a grind, like I
started making beats in 04.
Mm, you know what I'm saying.
And I started taking it seriousin 09.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah so it's like you got to grind?
You definitely do, and younever know my pastor.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
he said something a couple weeks ago.
He said don't be discouragedwhen you see your friends
getting on.
He said what that means isyou're right around the corner.
Your blessing might be rightaround the corner, but if you
get discouraged and want tostart hating on, your friends

(33:41):
and people that you know that'smaking it in life.
You about to push yourself backAbsolutely Further down the
block to be right around thecorner waiting to drop you off
yours.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
It's a real unfortunate thing.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
It happens so much it happens so much and I don't be
understanding it.
But it's like I see it so muchand now it's like I see it so
much and like, now it's like me,I'm in a position where I just
sit back, I don't do too muchtalking.
If you want to work like, comeon man, let's work.
I'm always about buildingrapport, I'm always about
listening to the artist.

(34:15):
But once I see like.
Once I see like a littlecaution sign, a little caution
tape pop up.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
I'm getting better with that now, like I definitely
had to grow in my journey.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying,because discernment is for real
and you really need that inthis world.
Okay, and it's like peoplealways show you.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
The signs are always there, it's there, you just got
to pay attention, and if youdon't, you're just going to keep
stumbling, keep stumbling andkeep stumbling, and you're
tripping over yourself, not evenpaying attention to what's
right in front of you, you knowwhat I mean and that be the
problem a lot of times.
But yeah, other than thegatekeeping, I love the scene

(34:58):
Like I love the music scene.
It's like you got busboys andpoets here.
I don't know too many otherspots.
I forgot my man that, do he?

Speaker 2 (35:11):
do like open mics.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
I think it's like Open Gym Okay yeah, shout out,
open Gym, yeah, open Gym.
I did an.
Open Gym show back in Octoberyeah and he's an artist too, so
it's like I respect him, for youknow what I mean trying to open
up the door for other artistssuch as himself too.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Ah absolutely, I've definitely seen him.
You know before, talk about,you know, share his grievances
as well, just about the scene,and a lot of times it's like you
said it's just the peoplegetting in their own way, or
them being afraid, them notreally understanding or seeing
the opportunity of it all.
And a lot of times I know likethis is artists to artists,
right, speaking to other artistsyou can't expect for people to

(35:53):
do everything for you for freeand you can't expect for people
to fully, like, flush yourvision out Like you have to.
You're the master of yourceremony, of your vision.
If you need help with it, youhave to tell people how they can
assist you.
They can't figure it out foryou and that be a thing.
That be a thing that you know.

(36:13):
Sometimes artists go throughand you know, I myself was also
in a space where it's like thatfiguring out, like sometimes you
gotta sit with yourself and bestill yeah, if you don't know
what you're doing or why you'redoing it or what you want from
it.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Right, that's a fact.
That's a fact.
Artists need to.
The most important thing inlife to me is not only listening
, but it's communicating.
And artists don't communicate.
Produc artists don'tcommunicate.
Producers don't communicate.
engineers don't communicate it's, the whole family, it's the

(36:47):
whole bubble, so I can't blameone, not the other.
Okay, it's all you know.
I mean, photographers don'tcommunicate.
Yeah, videographers don'tcommunicate.
They automatically assume, likeoh man, I'm, I'm going to just
shoot for you, I'm going toshoot for you and like yeah,
like everything is going to costEverything, like this costs you
know what I'm saying, ExactlyLike everything costs.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
That part is like, once you start to like really
make the investments like theinvestment, the first investment
is time.
Okay, I'm really going to dothis.
You know I'm really going to dothis.
Then when you start investingyour money because you got a
plan for something, everybodynot charging you because they
just want to take your money,like you said these things, it
costs, it costs.

(37:30):
So we all kind of have to keepit.
We got to keep it afloat.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, you got to keep the cycle going.
You know what I mean, becauseall it is is you scratch my back
, I scratch yours, and then viceversa, and then it's like all
right, this is your price.
Cool, I respect that.
Let me see if I can afford that, if.
I can't let me find somebodythat can do something like you.
You know what I mean and that'swhy I don't ever get mad when

(37:54):
artists be like hey, man, myfiles, I'm at the studio, yeah,
they're your files.
I tell people that all the time, when you either record with me
, I engineer something, I'msending you all your files.
Why?
It's because, you never know,you might hit me up and be like

(38:16):
hey, tweez, I need this, I needthat.
I'm like it's already in yourdang on Google Drive, Like I got
it.
Like if it ain't in there, letme know.
So I try to do that becauselife be life, and sometimes I
might be somewhere and you can'tget to me.
Yeah, and vice versa, that'strue.
So it's like I always askpeople hey, what all do you want

(38:36):
?
And I'll send it.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Like you know, I mean I learned from you know,
working at the studio and beingaround different engineers like
hey send them.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Send them a performance track yeah,
definitely, we be needing thatfor sure.
Dj track you send a couple bar,four, four, eight bars more for
the dj if they doing a show,send them a show.
You'm saying Like, send themlike three to four different
ones, send them the instrumental, you know what I mean.
So they can just figure out howthey going to do things and
boom, because that's normallywhat the EPKs are, the press

(39:11):
kits, absolutely, it's all ofthat.
So if you do that ahead of time, engineers, you know what?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I mean, it would help so much wouldn't it?

Speaker 1 (39:20):
It would help so much .
Oh, and label, label your stuff.
Oh, my goodness, I can't stressit enough.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Listen, I can't stress it enough, like I've
gotten things from engineers.
You know what I'm saying 80audio files, none of them named.
That's the worst that is insane.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Like why is it this many files?
Yeah, i'ma send it back, causethat's why, like, when I hit you
, what I was like hold on, yougot the beat label.
Everything is labeled.
That's crazy, right, that'scrazy.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
And then it's like audio one, two, three, four, and
I've been getting on him aboutthat, because my biggest thing
is, like, when you set yoursession up, right, like I'm
going to set my session up,that's the most important, and
I'm going to name.
I'm going to name all becausethe vocal tracks people just
seem to freak.
They just fall into the abyss.
They just have vocals, allright.
Yeah, because that's what I saidaudio one, audio two, audio,

(40:15):
yeah, you know, what I'm sayingBecause, like when you asked me,
that I know the difference but,like, some people label
In-N-Out to ad-libs differently.
So I'm like I know whatIn-N-Out more than likely is for
the verse, yeah, and the ad-libcould be for certain parts of
the song, but it's probablygoing to be for the hook.
I'm like In-N-Out that's crazywork.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
All right, let me listen to this.
And then I'm like what's theBPM, what's the key?
I swear when I make all mybeats.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
But no, as you should , because I've worked with
engineers also.
That's great with that.
They send all of that stuff inadvance.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
For one, it keeps the ease of the transaction and it
helps them when they go tosomebody else, absolutely, and
that engineer might not know how.
To you know what I mean?
Because what I did was I threwthe beat that I had already
mixed into a program and it toldme the key.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Wow, and the BPM, I like that.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
But I just wanted to make sure that it matched what
you told me.
So I'm like all right, cool Bet, we good.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
But you know what I'm saying, like some, some
engineers, might not know that.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah, no, it's true, it's definitely true.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
And it's like man, just label your stuff, because
if you prep your sessionpreviously, you're going to have
a great session, absolutely,even if you have a bad session.
Guess what.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
All this stuff is right there, exactly when she
messed up at where he messed upat

Speaker 1 (41:40):
whoever it is, boom, it's right there and I was just
like you know what All rightcool, the fact that she was even
communicating with me.
I'm like, oh yeah, this isgoing to be easy.
It's going to be easy BecauseI'm serious man, I have people
and I hit them up and they'd belike, oh, let me get back to you
.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Let me get back to you and then I don't hear from
you cause they yeah, cause theycould be, you know, having to
hit the engineer up.
So like, yeah, I went to schoolfor engineering.
So you know, I'm tech, you knowand I understand the language,
but I'm also an artist that'soutside.
So it's kind of like me I hadto pick my battles and that I've
been blessed to have peopleengineer things for me or just

(42:20):
working with other audioengineers and getting knowledge
from them.
But man, having to go and asksomebody, that's why a lot of it
was to a point where I was justrecording myself and if I
needed to, I'll send it off.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
If I send you stems, I promise they're going to be
labeled hey, but shout out towhoever who's the engineer.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Barney Lutalo is the engineer.
Yo, barney, yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
You know, I saw the beat and I was like, did Barney
make this?

Speaker 2 (42:45):
He did he did Barney fire man?
Barney was one of those guys.
Yeah, no, he got it At the FreeSpace, barney fire.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Audio one, two, three , four, five, six, seven, eight,
nine, ten, eleven In and outs.
I'm like yo, that's funny, yeah.
Because I'm like who did this?
Because I seen the beat and ithad him and like again,
everybody's process is different, like even with the production,
the way he did he had the kickdrum and the snare together.

(43:18):
I never seen that Word, yeah.
So I was like why did he dothat?
But I'm like I can't reallymake the snare cut through, like
I wanted to, and then turn upthe kick drum, like I wanted to.
I definitely get it, so I wasjust like all right, let me find
out ways I can still make itsound good.
And I did, and I was just like,OK, cool.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
You definitely listen .
It definitely hit Like I'm man.
I'm getting so excited aboutthis project.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
That's going to be on theproject.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
This is going to be on the project.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
It's going to be on the project, and what I love
about it is this is the firstproject of mine that I dropped,
where I have multiple producersand engineers.
So it's, yeah, I like it,though I do I really like it.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
See if you again, if you got a good form of
communication with your people,yeah it's all gonna come
together perfectly Facts, butwhen you got people you like, yo
I need this verse, Yo I needthis.
I need that.
Yo, they're not getting backExactly.
It's like the tension startsforming and when it don't need
to be.
If you can't do it, just likeyo, I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Just let me know that .
Yeah, For a while I didn't likecollaboration, you know,
because of the communicationpart.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Right.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
And it's like, if I'm going to show up to something,
I want to show up to something,and if I can't, I'm going to let
you know that I can't.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
You know what it is too.
It's the intimidation.
I hate that Like.
Why are you intimidated?

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Like I hate that.
Don't ask me for no verse,because you know how many verses
I've sent to people and I ain'tever heard no song.
And I'm not knocking it becauseit could be life, it could just
be life, but still like Like nocommunication, nothing About
nothing that's going on, atleast saying hey, yo, I'm
putting this on this album.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
It ain't coming out to this, right, it ain't coming
out to that Cause.
That's it happens.
It do In the actual industry,like yo, like Bro.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Like where this thing at, but sometimes life just be
life.
And you know, like a lot of thesongs On this project, I made
From A span of 2021 To now, aspan of 2021 to now, you know.
So it's a mix of all of theyears.
It's a span of that.
Yeah, and yeah, I had to keepin touch with all my people.

(45:28):
They just like yo, what's up,it's coming.
But everybody, everybody, youknow, shout out to everybody
that's going to be on theproject, because they
communicated well.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
I got all of their.
When you work in thatenvironment, I think that's what
keeps the creative flow going,because sometimes you might get
in a rut.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, nah real bad.
You know what I?

Speaker 1 (45:55):
mean Like I had beat blocked for a minute you know
what I'm saying and all it tookwas for one of my bros, swim or
S like that's why I justreleased something.
My boy, swim, just releasedsomething.
Or just hearing one of theirartists or somebody that they're
working with, drop, and becausehip-hop lately ain't outside of

(46:16):
Kendrick.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Right, it ain't really been hip-hopping Like I
feel it.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
I was saying that a previous episode I was like yo
Freddie Gibbs album dope.
Of course Tyler joint was crazy, of course, yes, you know what
I mean, but outside of that itwasn't a lot of.
I wake up to this day still.
I think I'm going to do thatforever while I'm living.
Every Friday it's check whodropped you know what.
I'm saying At midnight and I dothat and I be like it ain't.

(46:44):
It's not.
So just seeing that, like youknow what I mean, some people
might get in that rut.
Once you get out of it, it'slike I'm just creating.
Like me, I'm working on aninstrumental album.
Me and Swim Pose be doing likea joint.
It's like an old schoolinstrumental.
Like I had a T-top cutlass backin the early 2000s.

(47:08):
I like that, and you know, young18-year-old on 20s, you know
what I'm saying.
And Cali Mm-hmm, and he lovedthe El Camino.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Okay, so you know it's like— that's a nice one too
.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah, so it's like we trying to figure out the
perfect name for it, Mm-hmm.
Because we already like all gotenough beats.
I'm just like create some, andI'm working with gospel artists
too.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
And it's crazy because it's like they want the
same type of beats For real.
Yeah, they don't want me to goLike I sent them some like
churchy like vibe type beatswith, you know, like hip hop,
but they still want the trapmusic and stuff.
So I'm like all right, cool,and they want the chops in there
and all of that.
So I think that to me it helpsyour creative flow when you hear

(47:59):
like your homies out here doingmusic.
When I heard this, I'm like ohmy God, and that was the first
thing.
I'm like yo, when you gonnadrop this?
Like when is this dropping?
Because this joint crazy Ifthis is what's going to be on
the album.
I can't wait to see what it is.
Oh man, I appreciate it, yougot the name of the album.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, so it's called Miss Don't Play.
So it's like a spin off of.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Miss, don't Play yes Off of Project.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Pat, yes, I listened to a lot of.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Pat when I was a kid Like literally a jet.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Okay, remember, I told you Three, six Mafia.
Yeah, I feel it Me, you herewith it.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
I was listening to Three, six Lord Infamous Project
Pat, all of them, all of it Le.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Chat.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Le Chat, gangsta Boo, like all of them, and it was
like and that's the thing too,it's like, you know, our music
is kind of the same, our clubmusic, so ours is more raunchy,
but it's the same type of beat,okay, so like when I had went to
, I think I was stationed herein 09.
I went to Baltimore I forgotthe club, but it was like in

(49:01):
like a warehouse district, okay,and they was playing the beat
and I'm like yo, this sound likeback home.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
You probably talking about like the docks home.
You probably talking about likethe docks that's not like
probably where the docks used tobe at.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Yeah, it was like in a warehouse district Close to
downtown.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
I'm like yo, this sound like back home and I'm
like, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
It do like ours is just raunchy though Like it's
words in ours that is oh my God,that's what I'm saying when you
come now and hear what theydoing now with the clubs, Like.
What I do love, like what Ilove about Baltimore is, you
know, our club sounds and ourhouse sounds, yeah, and I love
how, like, every generation haskind of been like recreating,

(49:39):
like you know, putting their ownthing onto it, Yep, but what I
also love about the undergroundin Baltimore is it's so diverse.
It's so much bigger than justthe club.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Right.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
And house and the house, like.
You'll be very impressed, Ifeel like, with the lyricists
and the singers.
It's just so many artists, andthat's the thing.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
I got to come up.
My cousin live up there too.
He be like to himself so much,like, much, like I don't even
bother, but yeah, I gotta comeup there because it's the scene
is is musically fire and that'slike what does?
What is it going to take forsomebody to get the ear to like
the, the big labels up tobaltimore?

Speaker 2 (50:24):
we got a few artists, it's a few it's a few, but you
know, somebody had asked mesomething the other day and they
were like you know what is it?
What is it about Baltimore likethat, Like we haven't really
kind of like pop you know, whatI'm saying and it's like so many
dope people that came from ourcity, but just as a whole and
I'm like I just kind of feellike that a lot more of the

(50:45):
music that's in the forefront isnot Baltimore as a whole,
because it's like we known forour club Right and as much as I
love it, it's still I feel likea certain type of music that's
pushed and it's it's just somuch more than just that, that
style of music, but that'sthat's.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
The question that I ask is what is it going to take
for somebody to grasp theBaltimore sound and and and
broadcast it to the world?
Because that's my thing, likemusic, travels it do, and it's
just crazy to me now that, likepeople really rocking with
Detroit-style beats, mm-hmm, youknow what I mean and I'm like

(51:21):
I've been listening to this allmy life and y'all ain't.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
It take people time to catch up sometimes.
Yeah, y'all ain't rocking withus for for real.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
But once we got somebody in the door it's like
like hell of a, shout out tohell of a.
That's one of my favoriteproducers.
He literally opened the doorfor everybody because, like he,
I'm talking about he doing songswith Meg, he doing songs with
everybody, that's so dope andit's like once he did that,
everybody started grasping.
T-grizzly popped out.

(51:47):
That everybody just took a holdof the Detroit sound, which I
love it.
I'm not hating on nobody that.
Use it because I love it,because it's expressing your
version of what you hear from us, and you know what I mean.
And the thing too is likeDetroit and the Bay has a.
It's like we're cousins.
The Bay area, their artistssounds like that too.

(52:10):
Nah, facts, facts.
You know what I mean Facts.
So it's like when you hear it,it's like okay, it's cool, this
is fire and they been, I think.
I don't know who started it,I'm not gonna say, but all I
know is Detroit sound, the Baysound Are very similar.
Yeah, nah it is Everybody'susing it.
Now I even heard like Even inLA are very similar.
Yeah, no, it is Everybody'susing it.
Now I even heard like even inLA, artists using it, which is

(52:34):
fire, yeah, but for Baltimore,too, it's like same thing in DC,
like it's like what is it goingto take for people to actually
grasp that sound?
Because go-go music to me, likeI always tell people, like I
always tell people, I hatedgo-go music at first really, I
always liked it but I'm gonnatell you why it was the like my

(52:54):
ear right.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
The sound like it wasn't engineered right yo,
that's, that's a real thing,though you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (53:00):
that's a real thing like when you out cause, I used
to bounce, so when, I used tobounce at Layla like um, I'm
like man, my head is hurting,I'm walking around, I'm in the
place and I'm like this is notengineered right.
Or this might not be the rightvenue for y'all to be doing that
.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Sometimes that's the case too.
Because it definitely becrouchy in the DMV, yeah because
when I went to throw social and.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
CCB was performing.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
I'm like oh, this shit sounds so good.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Oh yeah, you know what I mean and I'm like okay,
cool, I'm with it now.
So that was the only reason whyI didn't like it.
I just felt like it was justbanging and banging and it
wasn't no like sound, no sonicsound.
But once I heard theengineering being engineered on
their music, I'm like okay.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I just feel like too, and maybe for Baltimore, like
sometimes I listen to, likecertain artists from my city and
it'd be like, okay, like thelyricism, I like that, I like
even probably the style of beatand stuff that you chose, but
like the mix and it's even likepast mixes from my own, like my

(54:05):
projects Cringe, cringe, andit's, like, you know, for the
reasons of me myself, you know,have gone to Full Sail.
It was a time where I wasn't asconfident in my engineering
skills.
For the reasons of me myself,you know, have gone to full sail
.
It was a time where I wasn't asconfident in my engineering
skills.
And then, when I startedworking with other engineers and
, like you know, all differentkinds, like people are super
professional, people are, likeyou know, just kind of getting
started, Right, it's like, onceyou really learn how to convey

(54:26):
to them what they want, but it'slike, okay, can you execute?
Because I thought it was justlike a language barrier
sometimes.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Right, that's not always the case, did you go down
to Orlando or you did it online?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I did it online.
Okay, yeah, I did it online.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Shout out to Full Sail.
Hey, listen, I wanted to go toFull Sail straight out of high
school.
I want to do it online.
My boy, actually my boy, CrazyFingers.
He from Baltimore, Shout out toCrazy.

(54:59):
He's in full sale now.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Nice, yeah, what's up ?
Well, you'll be alum soon.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah, so he like bro do it.
He like just do it, just do it,that's what I did.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I was like man, I'm going to just do it.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, because Full Sail also gets you in those
doors.
Oh yeah, you know what I meanoh yeah, like you, connected to
that network for life onceyou're an alum, Once you're an
alum, you get in those doors andI think to me, like you said,
it be that sound.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
It be that sound, it be that sound.
And I feel like that.
That's why, in my opinion, I Ipartially, I guess I'm partial I
feel like that's probably why,like it hasn't like just bust
out of Baltimore yet because,alright, everything else might
be there, but the sound and it'slike sonically.
People have to be able to likeresonate, like actually want to
play it on the radio.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Right.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Actually want to do the things to keep it going,
because it's like if the mix notthere, like a lot of times
people not going to get past thefirst 20, 30 seconds.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
That's a fact, because if the music is good,
like if the, you got the artwork, you got the look, you got
everything, but if that sound isnot right, it's like next.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
And I took some time away after, you know, dropping
my second project and I washappy with the way that
everything turned out, but Istill feel like it was.
You know, I was missingsomething as an artist.
I still felt like I was missingsomething as an artist and I
wanted to really take my timebecause I didn't know how to do
that.
Like when I was dropping, whenI first started dropping, I was

(56:34):
like no, I just want to keepdropping and I want to be
consistent.
But when you start to like,look at the stuff that's
important, okay, like is thesonic quality there With the
projects too, is this the reasonwhy it's not really hitting
Like I would like for it to hit?
And then two you know learningmarketing.
You know what I'm sayingLearning how to go out and
really sell the project.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
That's my realm.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
You feel me.
That's what I was in school for.
I was in school for marketing.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Yeah, marketing is.
I tell people all the time thatis like the backbone of any
business.
It don't matter what business,you got to have a marketing
officer, somebody in your realmthat understands promotion
placement, product placement.
Digital media, social media.
Nah for real, because thosethings, if you don't have that,

(57:18):
it can set you back, because Iknow we live in a world of
visual now.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yeah, you got to think.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Back then our visual was going to go get the CD or
the tape, absolutely.
And then read in the book.
Now it's all digital, exactly,you know what I'm saying.
So you have to go on likeYouTube or whatever.
What is the Vimeo to watch?
The video or whatever Like youknow what I'm saying, but it's
still visual TikTok, whatever.
So you have to like marketyourself in a whole nother realm

(57:44):
, which is dope.
I just hope they make sure theystart taking care of the
artists.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Absolutely yeah, that's the issue.
Yeah, for real.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Like you said, it's very discouraging sometimes when
you be like damn, I'm doing allthis and ain't nobody.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Ain't nobody streaming it.
It ain't hitting I be sendingit.
I ain't heard it on any collegeradio yet.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
So you know what I do now.
I look at all of the statistics.
Even like with my podcast.
Like my podcast is doing sogreat and I didn't think that it
would Like I got peoplelistening all across the country
, right, that's so dope.
And what I've noticed is thatpeople, people want to see and
listen to me, mm-hmm, and I'mlike why me, me?

(58:33):
And I'm like, why me like?
And then I think about it.
I start doing the you know theanalysis of everything.
So I look at the same thingwith music.
I can point out all of theissues why this, this, this and
this?
But it's like what are youdoing at that?
So that's the question.
I feel like every artist, everyengineer, every producer should
ask themselves what are youdoing to stop that from being
one of your reasons on why thisain't going, why my streams

(58:56):
ain't going?
Are you promoting it?
And a lot of times.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
the answer to that would be no, it'd be whole no
and for whatever reason, likelife start happening and you
just kind of forget that that'syour job, Like that's on you.
You did all this investing,yeah, and you posted one time,
two times, maybe even three, andyou think that that's it and
it's like it's not.
Though.
It's not, though.
This is my experience that I'msharing.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
It's not, it's a lot.
So that's why with me, likeeven on my, on my label, page
10-0, like I post one thing onthere but then the story I'm
going to go in and post somestories more.
But it's more of like visuallygetting me and that's why I
started the podcast becausepeople didn't understand.

(59:43):
Bro, you quitting music?
I'm like, no, this is anotheravenue to get me in the door
with music, Absolutely Becauseyou need media too, because
they're going to be like damn,you do podcasts, what else you
do?
Oh, I'm a producer, oh, I'm anengineer.
Oh, for real.
Oh, yeah, I do this, I do that.
Damn, I ain't know.
Now, you know.
So it's just using your avenues, opening up the doors for

(01:00:06):
yourself.
If you can't get in this way,you got to avenue another way.
But yeah, they have to find thenose on why they didn't do
these things and start closingthose doors and making it happen
.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I like that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Once you do that, even when I be riding listening
to instrumentals, I ain't dothat.
Damn, All right, I'm about togo home and do this.
I'm gonna do that.
I'm gonna do this and it belike me.
I be doing it all the time, butI literally just started this
year doing I did a 21 day fastof social media how was that?

(01:00:45):
man, it was great, it was great.
I ain't gonna lie like it.
It helped me realize like great, it was great.
I ain't gonna lie Like ithelped me realize like I could
be doing way more productivethings when I wake up.
But the first thing you do, youroll over and you get on your
phone.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
That's a fact.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Granted, you do gotta check messages and stuff like
that, doing music, whateveryou're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
But the doom's rolling.
That's what be getting you itbe and the next thing, you know,
it's midnight.
Exactly.
It's noon and you're like damn,it was just nine o'clock
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
So that helped a lot.
Like I don't do it as much LikeI'm on the phone.
I'm off the phone but I'm alsofiguring out hey, what else can
I do?
Like even me, like I the videoediting, the audio editing, I
throw it right in the Pro Toolsafter this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
I'm doing it all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
So that's what keeps me going.
And then I always go back, justlike how you said, with the
songs.
I go back and Pet words it'slike.
So I say, how can I fix this?
And that's what makes me Likemore intrigued To like do the

(01:01:52):
next, do the next episode, dothis episode, do that episode,
so I can fix everything.
And it's okay to say like, it'sokay to say um, but I don't
like it To where it's, at apoint where it's like Every yeah
, it can get real redundant,yeah, yo.
I just be sitting there like whydid I say that?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
I definitely had to do the same thing, just like
with myself I do say like a lot,I know I do, but you know,
watching myself like interactwith the crowd as an artist and
like seeing, okay, how can I getbetter at engaging the people?
And I just try to approach itlike a conversation, like I'm
just and that's the best way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Because when you can actually talk to your people,
and they feel what you're saying, they're going to laugh, okay,
yeah, yep, I'm listening.
I'm listening Because sometimesI just sit and I want to hear
what the artist got to say andonce they say something, I'm in
the back of my head like what'snext?

(01:02:49):
What you going to do next?
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
You kind of have to reel it in and you know like
having friends to be there alongthe way, I've had a lot of
friends always encourage me tolike show my personality more,
because, especially rappers, wewant to rap you to death.
Just rap, rap, rap.
Oh God, more rap, and it be belike when do you show who you
are as a person?

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
and that's the social media part.
Right, you don't even gotta rapon your social media, just be a
regular person that's what I'msaying, and then be like oh yeah
, forgot, I rap.
Check this song out, you knowwhat I mean.
But that drives people to yourpage when they see that you're
actually a human being.
Because when you just yo sonda-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da
.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Just all rap all the time.
It's kind of boring in myopinion, because it'd be like,
okay, you can rap.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Yeah, what else?
What else can you do?
Can you cook?
Can you fix a computer?
Like you know something thatcan show?
Hey, I'm not just a robot, youknow what I mean?
Because, yeah, yeah, I likewhen people just themselves, if
they silly or whatever, just beyourself.

(01:03:55):
Like I seen an artist the otherday.
She's from DC, like she went onlive and just started crying
and I'm like dang, she's soemotional.
In my head I'm like girl, whyyou doing this?
But also in my head it's likeyeah, she's so emotional.
In my head I'm like girl, whyare you doing this?
But also in my head it's like,yeah, let it out, let people

(01:04:17):
know that you're a human.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
It's like that duality of like all right, this
could be bad, or you know whatI'm saying.
It could be a way for people toconnect with me on a human
level.
Right, because I've done thatbefore too, and it was at a
point where I didn't know if Iwanted to keep rapping to the
capacity that I do and like Iwould take stuff outside that

(01:04:41):
I'm working on, and I was justlike, whatever I got asked to do
a show, whatever you know, so Iget paid to do this little show
, whatever I'll do it, and youknow, so I get paid to do this,
this little show, whatever I'lldo it.
And when I would perform themusic, you know, people would
ask me for it.
And I got so emotional because Ijust had a lot of personal
stuff going on.
That kind of was like you know,it was getting in the way.
You know a lot of a lot ofpersonal stuff.

(01:05:02):
So it's like I want to give,you know, y'all the music, but I
don't want to give you anythingeither.
And because that's somethingthat I'm battling with myself as
an artist, feeling like me, I'mnot showing up as my best self,
listening to projects and notbeing satisfied with the mixes
or the way that I marketed itand all of the stuff it's like.
No, it just wasn't enough forme to give to y'all.

(01:05:25):
So I got real emotional Criedabout it and what that made me
see was that people actuallylike me as a person.
They actually care about thethings that I have to say
outside on by the great drive oh, I have this product that I'm
I'm selling to you and all ofthe stuff it's like.
It's nice for people that say,yo, you good, yeah, are you okay

(01:05:48):
?
How was your day Not?
When you performing again Fact.
When the next time you drivingFact.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Because then when you feel like that, it's more of
like damn, I'm just a robot toit, I'm just, it's all.
You know me as Exactly, andit's like you don't care about
nothing else.
But you also, when you get intoyour spells of feeling down and

(01:06:20):
things of that nature, you tendto forget Just put it out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Exactly, just put it out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Because if you don't, you're going to keep critiquing
, keep saying fix this and fixthat.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
It's just a perfectionism.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Just do it and then, when you do it and then it drops
, man, now it's like you droppedit, now you're second guessing
why you dropped it.
Just leave it, because a lot ofthose imperfections in the
music, that's what makes it fire.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
People fall in love with it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Because there's been a couple songs now that it can
go back and fix it quick.
I've heard songs and I'd belike what I think it was.
Whose song I think it was itwas.
Was it Kendrick's Mr Morale andthe Big Stepper, I think?
Like Kodak verse?
Was it sounded off?

(01:07:11):
No, it was.
I think it was that one, butthe latest one was the joint
with Lil Wayne and Jello.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, and Iheard Wayne's voice and I heard
his verse and I'm like somethingsound off and I think they
fixed it like the next day,because I'm like this, they
fixed it like the next day,Right?
I'm like this don't sound likethe same verse I heard, Like it

(01:07:31):
sounded like offbeat andeverything.
Oh man this Wayne.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Yeah, people make mistakes, sometimes real bad,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
But that imperfection , I still remembered it and I
was like all right, Song soundsgood.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
I rock, Other than the music.
You got kids right.
Yes, how many kids?

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Boy girl.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
I have one son and I have two daughters.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Who the oldest?

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
My daughter.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Son the youngest.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
He's in the middle.
In the middle, mm-hmm how is he?

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
He's eight?
No, how?

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
is he?

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Oh he's great he's Cause.
You know, the number twos issomething else.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Yeah, you know.
So I would say like last yearlast year when he was up here
with me, because now he liveswith his dad yeah, he was having
a very difficult time in schooland I swear it's so funny to me
now.
It wasn't funny then.
Yeah, but him and his teacherhad beef because he said that

(01:08:29):
his teacher be acting like hismom and she not his mom.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
I understand it wholeheartedly, but he didn't
feel like that.
He was being, I guess, likepaid the attention that he would
like if he needed help.
She would just always like youknow, you know, figure it out,
figure it out, and it's like,okay, a part of me get it.
But he's kind of used to likethe coddle, right, you know that
he get from me, right.
So yeah, but it was bad.

(01:08:55):
Yeah, it was bad, like he wastaking his paperwork and ripping
it up, stomping on it, like hedid not get along with this
woman.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
So me and his dad decided like, okay, maybe it's
time for him to go with you andyou know, you just have your
time with him and see, like ifit turns around and it has.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
He's doing good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
He's doing great.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Is he still in the state or?

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Yeah, no, he's still in the state.
He's in Virginia.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Okay, all right, so he's not too far, no, he ain't
too far.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
He love it over there .
He like it though.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
How the girls.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
They're doing.
My oldest is doing a lot better.
Her transition Into high schoolit wasn't.
It wasn't the best, yeah, but Iget it, you know.
So I'm glad that she's just Ina space now when she's doing
better and Her friends Ain'taffecting her mental.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Yeah, that be like she's 16, so.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Mine just turned 13 last week.
Yeah, yeah, and I be trying totell her, like, why you be
letting people get in your head.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
It's such a scary age for girls, because they go
through that you know and Iunderstand, because I went
through it too.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Yeah, but now, being on the other side, I be trying
to know, I be wanting to know,though.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Like it's not whether you have like male figures in
your life or not.
I don't think that menunderstand like the magnitude of
influence that women just havein general, even over other
women.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Yeah, so I think that's why a lot of women be
beefing with each other for alot of the times like it'd each
other for no reason.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
A lot of the times Like it'd be for nothing.
It'd be for nothing, It'd befor nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Okay, yeah, I'd be like what's wrong with y'all,
like what my thing is, like,look, if it don't harm me, if it
don't bother what I got goingon yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
I ain't worried about it.
Yeah, like they be worryingabout it.
They just be having too muchtime.
This is quick.
Yeah, they be having too muchtime.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Oh, she said something about my nails.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
She said something about this and I be looking at
Lana and I be like it's likeparts of me get it because I'm a
woman.
But it's like this it's okay tofeel a type of way because we
all got feelings, but it's notalways okay to react on those
feelings.
Everything don't need aresponse.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Yeah, see, my second, my 2D, 2d, she the second.
I'm a second child, so I knowshe reacts yeah, and I be trying
to tell her on my own beproactive, not reactive.
Mm-hmm, you know what I mean,because sometimes and my oldest,
she's very proactive she'sgoing to try to defuse
situations before she pop off.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
And I was like she should have swung.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
For real.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Like she had an incident last week, man, and I'm
like if that was your mama andTootie, they would have swung.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
My oldest is definitely going to swing.
She's going to swing, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
And I think it's like me.
I just like I just pray thatshe knows, she just understands,
like how life I be trying togive her the game man, I really
do, and I just hope she justunderstands it, Because she get
it from both of us.
Literally we live right up thestreet from each other.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
That's so.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Dope Literally, that's so dope Five minutes
within five minutes, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
I know that it will Like.
My aunt told me something along time ago and was like you
know, when it comes to your kids, even if it seems like they're
not listening, you know, tellthem the same things over and
over again, because you never Iremember my dad has said, you
know, and it's going to makesense, Like sometimes life's
just got to happen for stuffthat people say to make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Yeah, and that's a super, super snapple fact.
Literally, I be saying this allthe time.
He'll say that Right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Yep, he said that too , and you weren't trying to hear
it then, but it makes sense now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Everything, like my grandma, my aunts, uncles,
everybody.
I be like you're right, yeah,I'd be saying it to my daughters
now and they'd be like whatdoes that mean?
I'm like you don't believe fatmeat greasy, do you?
They just bust out laughing,like you just be saying stuff.
I'm like, no, you'll see.
Yeah, you'll see.

(01:13:07):
Are any?

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
of them into music.
So I'm going to say my youngestlikes to sing.
She's always singing around thehouse, singing and dancing and
rehearsing.
Her dad is actually aninstrumentalist and a producer.
He plays piano and he plays theflute.
Yeah, saxophone Flute hard.
Yeah, you got to have somebreath for that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
I don't know how to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
So it wouldn't surprise me if that's like the
lane that she takes because, shealready sings and stuff.
So I'm thinking about puttingher into something to see, like
my oldest, like she danced for awhile she did like step, you
know, step, dance and everything.
But it got to a point for herwhere I guess it was like and
everything.
But it got to a point for herwhere I guess it was like she
kind of lost her passion for it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Yeah, she's going to gain it back when she gets to
college.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Maybe so, let's see, because, listen, she was
traveling, she was doing thethings with it.
Now my son, he's like more intogames and gaming, which is cool
because it's like it's so manylanes for that do sound design.
That's why I'm trying to getthe full sale, because I'm
trying to get to the gaming manListen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Grand Theft Auto 6 come out soon and I'm like man.
How can I get on this gameExactly?
I just want someinstrumentalist type, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Yo, you can get it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
I'm telling you, I just want to eat for something
on the game.
Yeah, no, that'd be so dope Ithink that's the dopest part,
and I parents used to say thatall the time.
You ain't gonna make no moneyoff this.
The lies that was told, thelies you told Okay, because it's
real money in there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
It's more money than that than as an artist Than as
an artist.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
You get way more money.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
That's why it's always like Just to have the
education Is great Because Idon't have no problem With
switching.
You know what I'm saying At anygiven time, that's what I said.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
I said, man, I'd rather do sync licensing Than
work with artists.
You ain't gotta worry aboutNothing hassling you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Nobody like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Hey man, I can't True .

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
True, true, true.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
This what you looking for.
Oh, you looking for this typeof beat at this tempo.
Oh, you want this type of mood.
Okay, let me go ahead and makethis a signal.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Listen, that's what I .
All I need is that one songsing, and then I can be like
what's this?
I can be like Mark Morrison Boy.
What?
Listen?

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
that one song just Even that like we need to figure
out, like how what new likeshow is coming out, because what
I've learned is, if you go onIMDB and find out the music
supervisor for each like TV,show sometimes it tells you the

(01:15:45):
upcoming shows that they aboutto work on.
It tells you their previousshows and what they working on
now, but it sometimes tells youtheir upcoming shows.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
And then we can like email them and talk to them and
say, hey, this is me, this issome of the music I work on and
I think it fits your catalog of.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
You know, that's actually something I could put
on my list of things to be wasresearching for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Yeah, the music supervisors, because I'm like,
how can I get synced Because,granted, you got the taxis?
And different websites that youcan submit to, but if you can
directly go straight to thesource and they actually respond
, I think that's the move for mefor 2025.
I'm hitting up these musicsupervisors.
That's really smart, because Ireally want to work with movies,

(01:16:30):
score a movie.
TV show video game, whatever,because those people can steer
you in another direction too.
Yeah, facts, if you're buildinga relationship, I always say
relationships worth more thanmoney, because you never know,
the people that you meet canalways grant you an end
somewhere else if it's not theplace where they at.

(01:16:52):
Absolutely, if you're buildingrelationships, building rapport,
so yeah, I think that's themove for me.
What about you?
What you got?

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
So I'm going to release a single first.
Before you know, I release theproject and I'm hoping, I'm
hoping that it's going to bethis month.
I feel like I'm cutting it kindof close just given time.
But the first single from theproject is going to be high and
so I'm just going to saytentatively it may drop like the

(01:17:23):
end of this month, and then youknow, the project is coming.
So I have three singles thatwill be released from this
project, with videos I'm excitedabout.
I shoot the last video for thethree singles in the next, you
know few weeks.
So that's dope.
I just shot a video on Tuesdaythat one gonna be crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
When is the tentative album?

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
so the tentative album release I am going to go
with June, tentatively June.
Right for the summer, yeah right, right for the summer, if all
of this stuff is, I guess, donein time, because now all the
songs have to go into mastering,which I don't believe is going
to take a crazy amount of time,and I've already been on top of
copyright and all of that.

(01:18:06):
So maybe May, may was the firsttentative, but I that.
So maybe may, may was like thefirst tentative, but I'm gonna
say june, just to be safe, and Ihave everything.
But I am thinking aboutdropping a project on even biz
before I introduce it to dsps.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
That's something that I kind of want to like explore
even yeah yeah, I want toexplore with that, so so you
know um, now that you broughtthat up, I'm glad you brought
that up because I definitelysaid I was going to tell you I
want to link you with myhomegirl, troyah.
She's in North Carolina and thatswim.
I linked swim and her togetherbut she used to work with Shada
from Baltimore, okay.

(01:18:42):
So they in North CarolinaTroyah went out to work out with
, she went to do to the pergolawith LaRussell Mm-hmm, okay, and
they, they done built arelationship and she was on Good
Company's like site with the.
You know rapping, you know howthey do the rapping, yeah, and

(01:19:04):
she's still going, they stilldropping music and they doing
like and they doing like pay toplay.
You know what I mean Pay whatyou want.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Pay what you want, and even was I learned that from
him.
I'm like I need to sign up, butI'm like I'm not a.
I'm not an artist, how would II?

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
think it's still a way you could freak it.
I learned about, even throughRaheem.
So Raheem like talking about it, using it, he's like a really
dope person and I was like youknow, I'm gonna let me, let me
see what this is about.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
So, yeah, that's, I'm gonna explore with that, yeah,
even, definitely even is themost I think you can, and I
think you can do the percentagething on there too, right?

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
I think so.
Yeah, I gotta look more into it, cause I did sign up.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Yeah, I signed up too , yeah but I didn't release
nothing yet because I'm like Igot to be legit, because if I
want people to actually buy mystuff and then have access to
unreleased stuff, I got to getmy portfolio up with the
videography and all that Thanksthanks Investing in a camera,
but you know, it's everything Ido it definitely listen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
It's worth the money that it costs.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Hell yeah, it's worth the money it's definitely worth
the money Before we get out ofhere.
I always do gym class, Notpooping type gym, but you know
G-E-M, what's something you cangive to the community out there,
like a gym to keep in theirtoolbox.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
A gem to keep in your toolbox.
Yo, For me, I live with theidea that we souls having a
human experience right andself-perceivation is really the
key to success.
You can't tell me like it's notall the fame and the money and

(01:20:57):
all of the stuff you acquire,like all of that's great, but
you're going to die someday.
You know what I mean and youwant to live a full life.
Like when you go, just I dideverything that I said that I
would do in my lifetime.
So self-preservation is the keyto success.
I feel like you have to takemoments.
You got to allow yourself tofeel all your feelings.
You know what I'm saying Staygrounded and please, like,

(01:21:20):
please, pray to your God.
Please pray to your God.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Self-preservation, mm-hmm.
Yeah, I definitely agree withthat.
You have to find your purpose.
You know what I mean, because alot of times when you don't
find your purpose, you're goingto fall off Mm-hmm.
If you don't have anybody tohold you accountable, mm-hmm.

(01:21:45):
And if you don't hold yourselfaccountable.
That part, that's the mostimportant part.
But yeah, self-preservation,finding a purpose.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
And I want to add this note too, because, like,
healing is like a theme.
You know what I'm saying,everybody.
I'm in my healing, whatever era.
What I want everyone tounderstand about healing and
what it means to heal is, likeyou have to apply that healing.
After coming out of yoursolitude, right, your solitude,

(01:22:13):
just being in solitude, doesn'tmean that you're healed.
Right, you have to still allowyourself to experience life and
apply you know what I'm sayingthe areas that you feel like you
healed in, to see if you reallydid.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
So yeah, you can't just say, oh yeah, I'm good,
yeah, I went.
I went off for like A wholeyear and I ain't talked to
nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
So I'm great that's not true, nah, cause if you see
that person again it might justgo back to like what my crash.
I'm telling you.
There's a lot of A lot ofcrashes going on A lot of days.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Yo, crashing out is real.
That's why I was is the key tosuccess.
Yep, we don't need no morecrash outs in 2025.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
Must have been too many Mm-hmm, way too many.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Way too many.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Yeah, man, I appreciate you for coming Always
.
We definitely got to get somemore music in.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
You know For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
And like that we gone Peace.

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