Melodies and Memories: The Hook God and Fatherhood in Hip-Hop

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When Roc Solo, the Hook God from Norfolk, Virginia, throw it back to the days of pretending to be the Temptations, you know we're about to get real about music and life. As we settle into a journey of melodies and memories, we uncover the crucial roles that relationships play over the quest for wealth, and the way our artistry has been shaped by the legendary sounds that echo from our childhoods to the present day.

Navigating the waters of fatherhood, our conversation takes a heartfelt turn, revealing how our daughters have become our greatest inspirations—and sometimes our most adorable critics. The influence of parenthood on our music leads to revelations about our creative processes and how we've recalibrated our ambitions to reflect the new responsibilities and joys that come with raising these little future leaders. In the same breath, we tease the behind-the-scenes creative struggle and excitement that went into perfecting our latest drop, "On Full's," highlighting the brotherhood and dedication at WMB.

Wrapping things up, we debate our top hip-hop artists and producers, chuckle over the unexpected physical statures of rap icons, and discuss how different cities have left their mark on our musical styles. We share stories of navigating egos in the business and how building genuine connections can sometimes overshadow the allure of a hefty paycheck. Join us on this groove-filled ride that's as much about beats and bars as it is about the bonds that make the music matter.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
I Losing my faith and I don't know what type of hell
I'm in.
I be walking through my dayslike what the hell you been.
I get my cup, I'm pouring upand I'm sipping sin.
I'm giving in rough night onlife like I'm giving in Losing

(00:29):
my faith and I don't know whattype of hell I'm in.
I be walking through my dayslike what the hell you been.
I get my cup, I'm pouring upand I'm sipping sin.
Rough night on life like I'mgiving in.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
You don't know about this trust Fave losing faith.
Yeah, we here we live, let's go, let's go.
Yeah, yes, sir, as always, man,welcome back to relationships.
Work more than money.
I am Tweezy, the host to myleft who I got, got your boy
Rock Solo AKA Hook God, we meanbusiness.
Yes, sir, we mean business.

(01:03):
Got the whole gang in here withyou.
Yeah, you know Not even a wholecause.
He said song.
So he hit me and was like yo,bro, I got some of the team
coming with me.
That's cool.
Yeah, say yeah, that's alwayscool.
But look, man, what's good, bro, man, life, man being blessed,
working, being a dad, that'spart, that's number one, that's

(01:23):
the best part Music man.
Yeah, yeah, all that, all that,all that, yeah, so we met.
What?
20, 2019?
Yeah, that's been.
This is some years.
Been a minute Under the belt,spent a minute when I swear to
that studio.

(01:43):
I think, man, that studio has,like, a lot of people came
through but the real ones stayedtogether.
You know what I mean.
Shout out to O, shout out toBenz O, take Off Music Group.
Man, shout out, shout out, yeah, we come from similar

(02:08):
backgrounds.
But tell me where you from, bro, like tell the people where you
from Originally.
I'm from Norfolk, virginia.
Yeah.
They came from Shark City.
Yeah, beach Boys shout out.
You know 757, born there.
That's that's home, home.
You know I'm up here now, butyeah, norfolk, virginia, real,

(02:28):
yeah, okay, what was life likeback then, when you like in the
75?
You know, you know how youliving.
I'm gonna say, like projectshood.
You don't know that's hood, youdon't know that's projects,
right, cause that's just the wayof life.
So, growing up, you see somethings, you hear some things,

(02:50):
you know some things.
Then you do something andthat's literally what life was
Doing some things, seeing somethings.
But I mean we just, you know,kept it moving.
I got a big family too.
So, you know, in and out ofcertain situations you got
athletes.
Yeah, you got the tough guy.
We gonna say the tough guys.

(03:11):
Yeah, you got the church guys,right, that's what I was around,
pretty much everything Anythingyou could think of.
I knew for a fact.
I was around being in Norfolkand it was back and forth from
Virginia Beach to Norfolk.
Yeah, I mean, I'm in Norfolk,it's my grandma's, so I'm at
grandma's house every second Iget.
Then I go to school out ofVirginia Beach but then I go
back to Norfolk.

(03:31):
It was just a lot back and forth, but it's all 757.
So it's all home.
Where did the music come from?
Like the music, the love formusic Cause, like bro, when I
hear your music it's like likewhat he can't do, like you know
what.
I'm saying it's like damn likehe got a hook here.
He hook.
It's the reason why you thehook guy.
You know what I'm saying andit's a reason why.

(03:53):
But my thing is like how didthat all start?
You know, back to family.
I got like my cousins, growingup with my cousins.
They were athletes, like thoseathletes.
My mom ain't really forcing meto do enough and I ain't want to
do so.
If I ain't tell her I want toplay basketball, she ain't gonna
make me do it and I couldn'treally like man, I ain't trying

(04:14):
to do that, but I'm the same kid, probably like what, eight
Younger than that.
Like six years ago I had apurple mic stand and a purple
guitar cause I watched PurpleRain, wow, and I played Purple
Rain just to sing the songs withPrince.
You got a picture of that.
I actually do.
I sent it to me.
I need that.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
We gonna post it on the joint.
Yeah, I'll send it to you.
We gonna post it on the joint.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
The guitar and everything and my grandma go to
the thrift store.
She got a fake Michael Jacksonglove.
This is just an all white glovewith glitter on it.
Yeah, I'm like so that, likeMike, watch the temptation movie
like a hundred times.
Yeah, me and my cousins, we allhad different roles.
I had to be Paul, so when he soyou have multiple entertainers
in the family.
Yeah, we had Paul, though whythey get you to go?

(04:54):
Yeah, they always made me Paul.
So, you know, towards the partof the movie when Paul was
before he left, I was just likeI had to send him the couch.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Which one was David.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Ruffin, my cousin.
My cousin thought he was myolder cousin.
He had to be David.
Ain't nobody come to see you,otis.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
That was the fairy line.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
And then we actually my other, my young cousin Ty.
He was Otis cause he couldn'tsay anything, but he's like he's
just gonna be Otis.
Yeah, he the one that's tryingto keep everybody together.
Yeah, my brother was Dennis.
He was like Dennis want a realtemptation.
Yeah, you ain't really part ofthis.
So that stuff like that, thattype of music Like to start off.
And my mom I think she's thesole reason why I am who I am.

(05:26):
That's her music choice.
Mary J Blas DMX.
That's mom, okay.
So question 90s R&B or 2000ship hop or 2000s R&B?
I gotta go with 90s, okay,2000s hip hop or 90s hip hop.

(05:48):
See, it's hard.
Cause X came like 98, 99, j andthem all 98, 99.
You know what I'm saying.
All right, when they startbubbling, I'm gonna say 2000.
Yeah, I'm a Wayne fan.
Yeah, I know he been there, butI guess when he started to pop
more Cash money no limit on thatI'm gonna say 2000s, All right
Cool cool.
So you know, I'm gonna say 2000s.

(06:09):
Cool, cool, so you say, yourmom was the backbone of like you
getting the music.
Did she like sing or Nah?
She just shout out to my mom mysolo, we getting the card, and
she just playing it comes toboom, it comes.
And then before I go to school,so we in the car just Hurt up
Wrapping and she like bye, it'slike but I'm hype.

(06:31):
And then she had her days whereshe just cleaning up.
You just hear Mary.
I said all right, and I'm justvibing with her Like you play
Mary J Blatt.
I'm saying in my heart out likeI'm not gonna lie to you.
I'm gonna sing, but that's allbecause I'm on.
My father was a go-go, go-gohead.

(06:51):
I knew nothing about it.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Until I moved up here and I didn't know that was
going to move up here I say yo,you playing this as I was a
little shorty.
Okay, cool, two pot, all right,cool, I got it.
Everything start adding up, youknow, like crazy.
So after the childhood part,when did it like, when you
started taking this serious?
Like was it high school?
I feel like I always beenserious when I hit the gas.

(07:19):
I became my freshman year incollege.
Okay, like 2011.
I went to a Richard Blainecollege in Petersburg like a
little juco, right beside of agym, you play sports.
Wow, you just went to a juco,okay.
Mom said I had to do something.
Yeah, I was in the middle ofthe military man.
Listen, pops gave me the samething.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, I only had two options.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
I didn't understand what he meant when he said you
either enrolled or enlist.
I understood when I graduated,yeah, so I was out there.
I started taking more seriousthen, but I always I've been
rapping since I was 10.
Like legit 10.
You from Detroit, right?
Yeah, eight mile played a rolein that.
That's where I'm from for real.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I'm from.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
East Eight Mile.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Seeing the battle rap type and I'm like damn it's
cold, ain't there be no battle?

Speaker 2 (08:03):
rap with us, right?
I know that's what I wanted torap for.
So, yeah, it was for me, man.
It was like Detroit, I meanMotown, yeah, no.
So you know what I'm saying.
Like, when you think about,like how you was saying, like
you know what I mean, moms wouldbe riding in the car, y'all
turning up.
You know what I'm saying.
Before school.
Just imagine, like riding inthe car, like my grandfather or

(08:26):
whoever, my pop, somebody takingme to school, yeah, and like
I'm listening to all of that,and they literally like lived
down the street from each other.
Like you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Like Smokey.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Robinson, and you know what I mean.
Diana Ross, like all of thesegreats.
You know what I'm saying, butyeah, here go the kids here go
the kids.
Come on in, come on in, hold thedoor, hold the door, don't let
it slam.
It's fine, got light.
Good, go ahead, pause it.

(08:58):
You can pause it.
I still got it running.
Say hi to everybody, hello,hello, hello, take your shoes
off.
Crazy, yeah, crazy man, crazywe good yeah.

(09:19):
So yeah, man, like I was saying, just listening to those, the
Supremes, michael Jackson's,jackson Fawze, smokey Robertson,
all of them, bro, it was justStevie Wonder.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Just hearing all of those people, those big names.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
All of them from the same, like they literally were
around a corner from each other.
Some of them stayed on the sameblock and just knowing that,
just off of that Because that'swhat got my ear, you know what
I'm saying when I startedfalling in love with music, it
was that.
Then the late 90s came Mid 90s,because my brother started

(09:58):
putting me on like Tila Abar,mjg you know what I'm saying
Three, six mafia, like I waslearning all of these other
regions of music at the sametime, and like when the 2000s
kicked off, it was just like, ohmy God, you know what I'm
saying.
I'm literally going into highschool.
You know what I'm saying.

(10:18):
Around that time, 99,.
I'm a freshman.
You know what I'm saying.
I'm a freshman in high school,bro.
So that, right there, bro, Ithink like to me, is where it
all started, right?
I never even thought aboutbecoming a producer or anything
until I graduated.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, I didn't, I don't know.

(10:39):
I woke up one day and I knowthis story because me and my mom
talk about it I walked into herroom.
I said I know what I want to bewhen I grow up.
She had no idea I was going tosay what I said.
I said not a doctor, I want toplay football, what you want to
be, then it's going to be arapper.
She bust out laughing.
She said no, for real, you justI just woke up, I just crusty,

(10:59):
I want to be a rapper.
She was like all right, cool,like just cool, right.
She didn't think, looked at mynotebook, going oh you are you
serious?
Yeah, I want to rap.
You had a composition joint.
Yeah, of course, that's right.
I was like go to, you had tohave like three.
Yeah, then they got freaky whenthey had the different colors.
Yeah, I had a purple, bro, thatrail, I had a purple one.

(11:22):
But I just woke up and I justwant I don't want to do nothing
else.
Yeah, I don't want to donothing.
Yeah, I recorded and I had apen and aha, he know what I did.
Most people all are real goodrap.
I Я that I just could buy thatone.
Yeah, it was a very great day.
As I said, thank you, bro,because, like a lot of people

(11:46):
don't know this, I was a rapperfirst.
I used to rap, bro Cause, wouldyou tell, would you tell that
story?
My first ever rap.
I was trying to rap.
I had the tape bro, you knowthe tape player.
Just telling, telling my agehad the tape player, what they
were saying and then try to turnit into my way, like my words
like trying to see what wordsmatch.
And that's how I started writingfirst, like you know what I'm
saying.
And then when I joined theMarines or whatever you know

(12:07):
what I'm saying I jumped backinto the production because I
played the drums from elementaryto middle school and then, when
I got to high school, juststuck with all the support.
So yeah, bro, it's just thatright.
There is like those are thosethe moments where you figure out
like how everything starts.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, you don't know that, you don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
So, so, telling them I want to.
You know, I want to be a rapper.
My dad, he said, all right,well, since you want to do music
, you made me do band from theseventh grade.
Try to graduate high schoolBand what you play.
Start off with the trombone,okay, trombone, shorty.
Try to trumpet.
And then, from eighth to 12th,percussion triangles, bells,

(12:50):
snare, bass, drum.
Yeah, so I'm on percussion.
Yeah, and people were like,using the band know how to read
music?
Didn't know I'm reading musicuntil later.
Like, I'm just like, yeah,that's a, that's a rush, yeah,
two beats, they're like yo, howyou the rock?
I ain't know, it was a gift toread music, but it's something
to my folks.
Yo, I got a solo at the bandconcert.

(13:12):
Yeah, that's what my teachertold me.
All right, what's my solo?
It was to, it was to ding thetriangle, bro, that one part it
was to.
It was twice.
He was like.
He was like ready.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Was it Christmas night?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, it was doing Christmas time.
Yeah, the whole auditoriumquiet and it go ding.
He said I want to toss him.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
I said this wack, hey man we know it's like man, it's
like wack.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
But that plays a role .
Now I probably was a littleupset about it.
I'm like you about to clown mebecause I'm in the band.
Yeah, I ain't really tellingnobody I was in the band.
Yeah, they'll say why youweren't in the suit like
everybody else in the band forthe concert tonight.
I'm just like let's tell her to.
I go to church after.
Yeah, playing it all, playingit all Is that.
You know, some people ain't.

(13:55):
That's corny, that's the truthyou lame, that's why I ain't
doing it in high school and Ifought myself for that and my
dad was like well, you want todo music, but you don't want to
understand music.
He's talking to me like thatyou make sense, bro, but ain't
nobody trying to be in the band.
It ain't making sense right now.
Then the parades, the paradesthat you got in the city.
I'm in the parade in the bandjoint.
You see me come across thatjoint.

(14:16):
I see one of the homies, so I'mjust marching Ding, yeah, but
the triangle so, but all thatplays a role still to this day.
Right, hearing music?
Yeah, I don't know if you'veseen DOO, it's a DOO, I be
posting them.
Sometimes he do like he's adrummer and he plays, he drums
on the pad and then he, he, howyou guess, out of the four, the

(14:38):
four like options, it's thenotes, so to be like eighth
notes, and then he'll give you ahint like hey, this, this
little symbol, is a triplet, andthey be like eighth note,
triplet, triplet, triplet.
Eighth note, eighth note,quarter note, quarter note.
And then it's like which heplays it though.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Right, right, right.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
So you got to figure it out.
So this, like what you saying,that is like I literally hear it
.
Hear it again.
I get the joint right and I'mlike, oh yeah, I still can read,
I still can read the music.
Yeah, now I need to test myskills.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
I ain't ready, I send it to you and you always pop up
on my Instagram.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, I ain't ready to see the music like that in a
while.
Yeah Well, after high schoolyou went to Juco.
Then from Juco, were you stillwriting in, or so before Juco, I
was writing in middle school.
Then I heard Wayne say he don'twrite.
So from ninth grade to 12thgrade I did not write no music,

(15:35):
I just always freestyle BecauseI'm like yo, my favorite artist
don't write.
So I'm not about to write.
But he got more experience thanme.
That's why he said it how hesaid it.
I ain't had that muchexperience, I had a little stuff
.
So, Juco, I met one of my closefriends, miles, and we started
doing music.
He engineer produced theCoronary and he told me he's
like bro, you know, if you writeit down it'll make more sense,

(15:58):
but you just freestyle.
You saying this, you sayingthat.
He said just try writing.
So freshman year of college iswhen I started to actually take
the writing part serious.
So I did it, it made a littlemore sense.
And then now I've been writingever since.
About 10 years of writing Couldhave been longer.
But I said, wayne, that right,why I got it right, jane, right,

(16:20):
and that was his.
You know what I mean.
Like that was their thing,though, but that ain't easy
either, though that's not thefact that you can create a whole
song in your head, bro.
It's just crazy to me.
It don't matter if you do theWayne and Tori Lane way by
saying a few words.
Stop, come back, replay thatpart, go and say it again.

(16:42):
Yeah, I did that part, but, jay, he would literally had a whole
song.
You know what I mean.
One, take that joint.
No, you know what I mean, buteither way, you're still doing
it from the top, but I think forme it's writing.
You know what I mean.
I got it, yeah now.
The writing part is because nowyou're perfecting it, it's like
you're proofreading.
Yeah, you know what I mean,what you saying and I think what

(17:06):
you doing.
That, bro, it takes you toanother level.
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
It does.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
It's both ways.
You know what I mean.
And then it's so quick becauseI think we was I don't know when
I pulled up on y'all and likebro, like the drink just came to
you and he was just like, yeah,come on.
Yeah, yeah, like that I stillgot that part.
Like I ain't gonna lie, Ifreeze out to myself every day.
I don't know it's a habit.
He write that I'm talking tomyself most of the time, but I

(17:32):
literally, just like now when wejust chilling, you say yo keep
getting me the headphone hereand stuff and I'm just like I
just can't help it.
But I mean that's the greatpart about the music, man.
It's like we love music so muchthat you can't get away from it
.
You really can't.
You know what I'm saying.

(17:53):
There's no escape of anything,but it also keeps us.
It keeps us sane, even goingback.
My mom could tell you thisspelling test.
She made me rap the words toremember them.
You know you like music so much, but you would rap it as you
spell it.

(18:13):
So now I'm at school rappingthe word to spell it.
Hold on Like yeah, sure, freaky.
Like Not rapping thoughWrapping to that joint, yeah,
she was like rap the words.
It could be like a littlespelling word spelling test that

(18:33):
you had in elementary school,but it didn't click until I
rapped it.
But we're singing it and that'show the rest of school went.
The way I studied is how Ilistened to music and everything
felt in the place.
She was like you good.
I was like, yeah, I'm just inmy zone right now.
All right, let's change.
Let's change the chorus man, uhoh, uh.

(18:56):
Oh.
You a father?
Yes, you know what I'm saying.
How does the everyday life workfor you?
When it comes to you know whatI mean?
Just being you Like, not eventhe music part, just being rock.
I mean, at first becoming afather.
Your whole life changes, likeeverything, how you move, even

(19:17):
how you talk.
Your whole schedule was aroundthem.
But at first I can say it wasdifficult, it was a challenge,
but when I start my day, I gotto make sure her day planned out
from the beginning to the endbefore I make any move.
So my life is, it goes aroundher life.

(19:38):
Whatever she got going on iswhat I got going on.
Your baby girl.
How old now?
Five, five, yeah, man, you justseen my little two man.
She's a talking five, like shetalks.
That's my youngest, my youngestlike that man.
And it's good, though, because,at the end of the day, the bond
that you build with them,that's going to carry, man.

(20:01):
It's going to carry becausethey going to know what it's
like to be around guys.
One Right, because you going tobuild her up and show her the
way.
But at the same time, it'snothing like having that for a
father.
It's nothing like having thatgirl love man.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
And that's what new love.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
It made me look at women different too.
That's a new love, and I thinkwith that too is like mentally,
those are my crutches.
That keeps me going.
Do you feel the same?

Speaker 1 (20:35):
way, of course.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Because it's like you got to grind harder, you got to
keep going.
If you don't, I got two, yougot one looking at you like Boy,
that's what I'm saying.
So even with everyday life, Ihear her little voice in the
back Like daddy this or daddythat.
But even go back to the musicshe like daddy, we ain't going

(20:58):
to the studio.
I like your music.
Your music is really good.
She don't know too much aboutmusic, but it's the fact that
she telling me that my music isreally good.
Play that song for rainy daysand she's in the back
harmonizing, not rapping, it'sjust her.
It's like how you learn how todo that?
That's your A&R bro.
I'm telling you because mydaughters man, they put me on so

(21:19):
much music and I be like who isthis?
I never heard of this personbut I love it and it's like when
I play music for them, likeNewlin, they love Newlin.
Ever since I produced Newlin, Imean shout out to Newlin man,
he made up.
We had a whole Christmas album.

(21:39):
We got a whole Christmas albumout.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
You know what I'm saying?
That's dope.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
We did that during 2019.
That's when they play thisevery Christmas, they playing
wishlist.
You know what I mean.
They playing this Christmas.
They playing all of these songsbecause they know for sure.
They know good music.
Yeah, but the only thing, man,they the profanity police,
though.
I can't even.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Like they playlists Every time we get in the car.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's their playlist.
There's no cussing.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
That's a tough playlist.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
But the youngest should be sneaking some in there
.
She be out like she ain't knowthey ain't too much yeah.
They be like jumping out thewindow.
What's her buddy name?
Bruno Mars.
Bruno Mars, yeah, and I'm likeyou know it's the cussing
version and she be it don'tmatter, because of Bruno,
exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
It don't matter, because of Bruno yeah man, just
keep it.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, keep that going , because that's y'all buying.
She's buying what you with thegame?
You heard my oldest say, daddy,when this over with I'm playing
, yeah, she on GTA.
You know what I mean.
That's the bond you create withthem.
You ain't got to.
Like it's just the love overall,just different.
It's different, bro.
The five year old telling mehow was your day today at work?
That's it, it was good, it wasgood.

(22:49):
Did you eat lunch today?
Yeah, I was like, yeah, I mean.
I'm looking at her like, yeah,I mean I ate today, bro, they
already developed.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Like it just developed.
Yeah, they already developed,they're already three years old,
bro.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
That's who they're going to be.
Like they're talkative, that'swho they're going to be.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Right Like that's her .

Speaker 2 (23:06):
They concern.
You know what I mean.
All the way concern, all theway concerns.
But that's the part that youknow what I mean.
That keeps us going.
You know what I'm saying.
She's definitely my motivation,yeah you got to.
You got to have, because somepeople like bro, for real, like
some people, don't have thatmotivation.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
No.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
And that's the thing I'm like yo, my daughter legit
keeps me going, like you know,you have your days like saying
that and she'll just walk up andjust grab my hand and say
what's up?
You said nothing.
I was just like all right, I'msitting here, mad, I'm pissed,
and she just happy just to grabmy hand.
I'm like all right, bet.

(23:43):
Then I bounce back and thenit's like what I'm at at, like
what I'm at at.
You know what I mean, and Ithink she know.
When I'm in the little zone,I'm just going to grab his hand
and I look at her like what youdoing?
She was like nothing.
I was like let's go getsomebody.
She came like stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
So yeah, my life is her life.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
I work for her.
That's why I say I work for her.
I got to man.
Got to what we got here, bro.
We got this merch.
He asked me what size.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Let's talk about it.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
He like what size you wear, bro?
I'm like, you know, I'm in agym.
Give me like an XM, you knowwhat I mean.
But like we got merch bro,what's this merch talking to us?

Speaker 1 (24:25):
about.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
What did it say?

Speaker 1 (24:27):
on there.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
On Fool, on Fool On Fool.
Let's talk about it.
March 29th On Fool Rock Solo Newsingle, biggest single of the
year right now On Fool we.
I had that song two, threeyears.
We just the hook.
We just listened to the hookand that one verse three.
I'm like I don't want to putanother verse on the team, like

(24:49):
I think we should put anotherverse.
This is a lot of back and forth.
Oh, what you think it could useanother verse and something
like that, cause it ain't goingto sound the same.
If you record something threeyears ago, try to redo it now.
The energy ain't there.
So I just like I can't recreatethat energy.
Right, I can't do it as fast aspossible.
Did you recreate it?
Oh, did I?
I recreated it, and it's somemore Now.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
I was like oh, I did it.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
All right, now I know how to tap back into that
energy On Fool, on Fool.
So who produced it?
Cause I, I heard it.
He said it.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, come on, man, take it, I ain't going to gas.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
But that's right.
Ain't nothing out, bro, forreal.
For real, like everything thatI've heard.
That you create, bro is justit's crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
I appreciate it.
You know what I'm saying Iheard this.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
I'm like, oh yeah, this it, this, this, this the
summer, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
This the joint for the summer.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, this might be the next couple summers.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
And that and that's how I sounded, but that's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
So if it's, if it's the dreams and nightmares,
that's what it's going to be.
Yeah.
I mean but it's the vibe, thatvibe there.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
This is every this is on Fool's every season.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Who produced it?
Takeoff music group?
Oh man, oh, and them did that.
Oh big O man.
Shout out to, shout out to O,shout out to.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
O.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, I'm here.
I seen when he was up here hesaid he said so little wild one.
I'm here, I'm here.
So yeah, on Fool's just one ofthose tracks where I like it's
personal Cause I like to, I'mnot one, I'm lit and I and I
want to shout out to my cousinDarren, when he's lit, I'm like
yo, you lit, he be like he alive, like now I'm decent, but

(26:20):
that's his way of saying he lit,I'm there, I said okay, and the
cup.
It says on Fool's cup it'salways at a halfway mark, but
that's my on Fool's, like okay,the cup there, it's halfway,
there it might be, it might bealmost gone.
I'm still.
I'm still going to tell you nowI got a lot in the cup, the cup
.
The cup will always be onFool's and, as you can see, cup

(26:41):
is definitely on Fool's.
Everything is life is on Fool's.
It's just my way of being lit.
I'm at the lounge.
I'm turned you lit I'm decent.
So you hear the song I ain'tlit.
I'm decent.
The cup on Fool's, I'm decent,I'm decent.
The cup on Fool's, I'm decent.
Like it's a little vibe, March29th all platforms.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Got a little video on the way.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah well, you're shooting that Everywhere,
everywhere, so you're going tobe on Fool's everywhere.
I'm everywhere.
Might be here, might be thereAnywhere.
Might have to jump on the planesomewhere, why not?
Might have to leave the countrywhy not?
Let them know on Fool's how youfeeling.
Listen, I'm on it so look, I'llbe in Cali at the end of this

(27:33):
month, early April.
Definitely going to, definitelygoing to.
Hey, y'all need to listen tothis.
You know what I'm saying.
Definitely going to push it,because that's my thing, bro.
You got to check their cups too.
Yeah, see what they cup on, seewhat they on, see what they
sipping on.
That matters too.
Well, you know, just the headsup Marines, bro.
We always on Fool's.

(27:54):
See what I'm saying Always onFool's dawg, whole world on
Fool's.
You just don't.
Whatever your on Fool's is thissong, is that Whatever?
it is it ain't got to bedrinking you shmoop.
So look, in Detroit we call iton 10.
Like I'm on 10, like, oh, thisnigga I on 10 dawg, this nigga

(28:14):
tripping Magic being on 10 andon Fool's Right, you're a
tornado in this month.
Might got to get a Detroitartist remix that.
Why not Do it, bro, on 10 andon Fool's?
Yeah, I hit up GT, I hit upsome family, tell me.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
I hit them up, man.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
See if you dig it or not On 10.
I like that, yeah, on 10.
They be on 10 all the time.
Whatever your thing is,whatever gets you going, that's
your on Fool's, all right.
So talk to me about the WMBdawg.
What do you mean business?
What do you mean business?
That's the label, yeah.
That's the family, that's mybrothers, that's the model.

(28:53):
That's the motivation too.
Yeah, when I wake up, whateverI do, make sure I mean it.
Whatever we do, make sure wemean it.
It's always us Right.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
We.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
That's the we part, we Talk about it, we mean
business.
I mean at first, just a coupleof friends all into music, all
want to be successful, all wantto do something.
So we just sitting there wejust chilling how we chill, and
it's just like yo we makinglittle moves.
I don't know who said it First,somebody said it for sure.

(29:27):
Yeah, man, we mean business.
Yeah, say that again.
We mean business.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
WMB.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
We mean business, and after that it just rolled.
So you hear me say it a lotbecause without them but it's a
true statement, though Foranybody it's like business as
usual, Team-wise, and it failed.
Nba, right, y'all going to agame, y'all getting ready for a
game.
Yeah, y'all coming at the doorto fool around.

(30:00):
Y'all mean business, right, wemean business Every time, every
time.
So look, p, you had that hardass rug.
I didn't mean to ask you whereyou got that rug from.
So they got a WMB rug.
Bro, that joint fire when y'allget that joint from.
All right, please do, please.
That's the back cave.

(30:21):
You're going to see WMB allover Different logos too, but
that rug, that rug.
We should have brought the rug.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, that rug that rug hard, bro.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Matter of fact, we bringing the rug.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
From everywhere, from now on.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
We had a little mission out Philly.
We took the rug you took therug.
Yeah, we in the hotel On thejoint, it's in the middle, it's
in the middle.
Yeah, yeah, we bringing thatfrom now on the rug.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Got two rugs.
Got two that rug fire bro.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Matter of fact, Kayla , Kayla be making rugs and shit
and she made some cold ones.
I'm like Kayla, can I get one?
She like, yeah, yeah, I got toget one bro.
You put it in a little spaceGot two, bro, you see it.
Yeah, don't put it at the frontdoor.
No, no, no.
It ain't even to be walked on.

(31:13):
No, it's just, hey, just know.
You got it.
It's what it is.
When you leave, you set upsomewhere else, y'all roll the
rug.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Roll it up.
That be the first thing.
That be the first thing.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
That be the first thing, I sat down at the new
spot.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
So what.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Like even getting the rug, we rolled it out, laid it
on and I'm walking and I almoststepped on it.
I had to hit like a two stepand I jumped.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, and it's a rug, though it's kind of yeah it's a
rug, but you know, like for us.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
We treated it as like if it's like a flag, you know a
you know step on the flag,though Like you know what I mean
.
Like, don't do it.
I almost broke my leg.
I stepped on the rug.
I said shit, that drink, bro.
And it was set up, had thatdrink, perfect.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
When I walked in.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
I'm like oh this, these niggas really do mean it
yeah Like they really do mean itChange coming soon?
Yeah, that too, man Gotta getthe whole thing the rug on full.
The rug is on full the rug onfull.
The merch is on full.
The merch on full.
Where can anybody, where canthey get it at?
Y'all got it set up yet, or weworking on it.
I'm gonna link everybody all atonce to where they can go get

(32:17):
their on full merch as well.
But that's coming.
But you know we had to give youfirst, man, I appreciate it man
, the first with it.
You know, got the hoodie too.
You got the hoodie.
Hold on, Come on, man, hold on.
Yeah, I appreciate you, Iappreciate you.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
But yeah, I appreciate that man, so merch is
coming soon.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, we're gonna hook everybody up.
All right, cool, let's get intoa little round of Top 5, top 5
Hip Hop Artists Woo, top 5.
, top 5.
Top 5.
In order to just in general,how ever you wanna do it.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
I'm just gonna name them yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
In order.
I know Wayne on there, but youknow yeah, so all right.
So the four, I'm gonna give you.
The other four yeah, I gotta gowith the hometown guy Push your
T.
All right, it just makes sense.
Three I'm gonna do DMX.
Okay, shout out to my mom.
Four Top 5.

(33:20):
50.
50.
Get rich at that.
Tryin' was one of the firstalbums that.
I've been on the albums thatI've bought.
Yeah and yeah, 50.
50.
, 50.
We have five.
Oh, eminem, bro, eminem, I'mnot knockin' bro, I'm not

(33:41):
knockin'.
Someone will argue, someonewill argue, Listen to me man,
eminem he would be.
You know the main thing peoplebe saying Ain't nobody ridin'
around bumpin', eminem, youain't gotta ride around in
bumpin' Eminem, you know whatyou global.
You ain't gotta ride around tohim.

(34:03):
He got people in othercountries ridin' around bumpin'
at.
You know what I'm sayin', peoplewill argue but yes, so Wayne,
pusha X, 50.
50.
That's a cold line up, that's acold line up, bro.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
I'm just sayin'.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I mean, and of course there's other artists that play
their roles in my music thosemight go too.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
You know what's crazy bro.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I didn't know Pusha was that short that bro, when I
Bro, yeah, he's tall, like Supertall, like where's Galiva, bro?
I thought Pusha was at leastlike six foot.
But what I startedunderstanding in the industry,
bro, like they make sure thatthe camera angle makes them look
tall.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, a lot of Because Luda short.
Yeah, I didn't know that TIshort.
I didn't know that Wayne'ssuper short.
Yeah, I didn't know Luda short,luda look tall.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
I thought Luda was like six foot six foot.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, luda looks tall yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
I forgot what club I was in in DC, like back in like
2011.
And it was him at Sigh of thePrince.
That's one of my low-key likesleeper artists, bro.
He's.
So far it was them two and I'mlike man, this nigga short Pusha
was in that drink, with thebraids of course, and I'm like

(35:18):
how that nigga Pusha, likethat's that nigga, but you know,
I'm like, because when you hearthat music, he be like man, he
be talking super crazy to niggasand shit.
You know what I mean To be thatshort To be that short, but then
I started thinking about it.
He beefed with Wayne.
I said, oh, they on the samelevel.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, they on the same level they the same.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
You know what I mean.
I don't like that beef yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
I hate it.
I hate it too.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
But at the same time it's like.
For me it's like whatever, bro,like you arguing about who had
bait.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Like you understand.
Yeah, the situation is stupid.
The situation is stupid, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
And it's like come on , man, you got two of the
hardest producers.
You know what I'm saying.
In your corner, you got Tim,you had no, you had Yay and you
had Ferrell.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Yeah, like Wayne, just wasgrabbing, you know, grabbing
producers.
All right, top five producers oh, it's out of my boy.

(36:17):
Oh, oh, it's out of my boy.
Oh, tim Ferrell Yay, I go withDr Dre, yeah, like that, like
solid, easy, easy, that's coolman.
And then again, like I said,more producers that played a

(36:39):
certain role, but them rightthere, what about?
So you got on full coming,right, yeah, when the album come
.
I don't know if somebody onthat train, the producer or
other?
That's crazy.
I don't know who that nigga is.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
You know his name.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
I don't even know that nigga man, but you know of
him, I know of him.
Yeah, we, that's some crazythough Me and that producer they
don't say his name.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, we ain't got to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Me and him or got something.
Matter of fact, we waslistening to it on the way here.
That's crazy.
And the crazy thing about thattrack I was in the studio last
week and I said, hey, let's dropthat over this summer.
So I got to reach out to themand see if it's okay.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
But man, and that was inspired by.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
they said, I think him and O told me that I was
Wayne.
How would I post the track?
So, man, I think I think, whenit come to like sound selection,
yeah.
I see myself as one of themdope producers that know how to
select song, but we was on thesame page, soon we got in the

(37:55):
basement, though you know whatI'm saying.
So it was like when I heardthat shit I said oh.
I said that's the one he like,he like, yeah, cause he.
Let me hear the whole album,yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Cause you again, you got a whole another album that's
red.
So that's how I was like.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I was like oh shit, you got another single.
Yeah, you got you know what Imean Losing faith.
He got you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
So I'm like oh man.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Roll out is crazy.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, so I was like okay.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
So I was just like shit, do what you do.
So the day that, all right, Isay he's not a six, but he top
ten for me, he is my top ten forme.
So yeah, you talking rappers orartists, yeah, six.

(38:46):
But no, he said, he said Jay-Z.
He couldn't put Jay-Z inbecause he never really bought
out.
I never mentioned Jay-Z becauseI didn't listen to a lot of
Jay-Z.
Some people talking about it.
I'm just like, okay, but youcan't say rock, yeah, and I'm
like the night cuz I ain't onfuck with Jay-Z.
Nobody around me, maybe myuncle and them, but I ain't here

(39:09):
, Like I'm 31.
I promise you people lying thatif they didn't say bow, I'll
not be one of their favoriteartists.
They lying Bow, I was what wewas rocking to.
I promise you.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Bow, I was wrong yo.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
I promise you, like kid wise, when nobody listened
to Jay-Z, when, bow, I was out,for real, that was my ex.
They lying, they lying, theylying.
Now, yeah, bow, hey, hey, holdon Right right.
Hold on you right though.
But what age you start?

(39:39):
You took your first drinkbefore right.
It got a lot to do with.
You took his first drink atfour.
You took his first drink atfour.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
So, Jay-Z so that Jay-Z part.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
I understand that.
Nigga grow man Bro when he talk.
I was like I said y'all got toknow my brother background Bro
took his first sip at four, sothat Jay-Z, I understand you
Right.
I know why you say Jay-Z, Iunderstand you.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
He was like, he was like hold on.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We just uh, what's up, homies?

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
That make a lot of sense dawg that make a lot of
sense because uh Bro that tookhis first sip at four, yeah
nigga, accident, accident, yeahLike.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I said that was an accident.
What was the buzz?

Speaker 2 (40:31):
why was it?
What was it, bro?
It was on my phone.
I'm like time to fuck.
That's all.
Yeah, this is a good story.
It was all you can drink, yeah.
So you took one sip or multiple.
Look, hold on, you took an asson one.
I came from downstate.
One sip or multiple, yeah, onesip, and what else?
What else?
And then you said it again Two,yeah, that nigga's JZ for real,

(40:59):
he was a JZ fan ever since thenand his voice been like that
ever since.
Ever since nigga, his voicebeen like that.
What's my man off of?
Uh, what's that?
The PJs that had that deep assvoice?
Yeah, they can say this way'sbeen like that since four years
ago.
But nah, bro, I mean yeah, liketip.

(41:22):
You know what I mean.
Tip, of course, wayne J M.
Are you saying M just becausey'all both from Detroit, or do
you actually?

Speaker 1 (41:30):
listen to M.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Or did you listen to M?
Yeah, I listen to M on everyalbum, every album, bro, because
I'm like yo, this nigga'stalking, wow.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Like what's he?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
saying the world ain't he was talking about the
thing though, when it comes tolyrics, bro, like I think like
it's not too many people thatcan really fuck with M on a
lyrical.
You know what I'm saying,didn't?

Speaker 1 (41:52):
one of y'all say Benzino vs.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Hart Nah.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
I said one of y'all, who do you?

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Not the Benzino.
I said one of y'all saidBenzino.
Nah, bro, you know the niggahad a ghost writer, right, yeah,
yeah, of course you can tell,you can tell, yeah.
So but nah like, nah it wasyeah, but my whole thing is it
was so many, so many, so manyartists that like influenced,
like East Coast, west Coast, solike Q hard to me, like you know

(42:21):
what I'm saying.
Iceq yeah, if you listen to hislyrics, bro, but that's what
I'm saying.
You think about it like this no,no, no, no, he not even rapping
.
But what I'm saying is like youstayed here in the 75, right,
right, right, right.
And then you been here for howlong I was using Virginia, for
how long I mean most of my life,Right?

Speaker 1 (42:44):
I mean, I spent some years.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
You said you went to Atlanta, right, yeah, the first
six years of my life is inAtlanta, but every summer till I
was 16 was in Atlanta too.
So that played a role in mymusic too, because I'm hearing
stuff that so you're hearing allSouthern, yeah.
But them songs I heard over thesummer didn't come to Virginia
until like a year later.
Like I'm like I heard this lastyear, Like what's that song?

(43:08):
Whoop Rico.
You ever heard that joint?
It was like a Atlanta joint,Whoop Rico, yeah.
And then Soulja Boy did it twoyears later.
I'm like y'all heard this at askate rink in Georgia.
See, that's the thing so likefor me bro Like the music is
different.
I would never compare it.
I had been around.
So the thing about Detroit isit's super diverse in music

(43:33):
Because of course we got Motown,then the 4.2.Duds and all of
that.
That shit been going on foryears.
We just finally getting put on.
Is it Doug or Dude?

Speaker 1 (43:43):
It's like Dude, yeah it's like Dude Because I don't
know.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
I heard him say Dude.
Yeah, it's Dude.
Yeah, so you know, you gotBabyface Ray, you got my brother
GT.
Iceware, vezo.
We went to school together.
Iceware was one of my newfavorite artists, so it's like
you got all of them and Vezo wasrapping like that.

(44:07):
You know what I'm saying Since9th grade, 10th grade.
So let me ask you this questionwhy Big Sean don't sound like
that?
Because Big Sean, he was reallylike.
So Vezo and I weren't trying tobe lyrical back then.
Okay, big Sean was reallytrying to be lyrical, yeah, I

(44:27):
mean he nice, I mean like thesound coming out.
He don't sound like a lyrical.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I like the fact that he created his own thing.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
But yeah, Sean from.
But that's the thing, that'swhat I said.
You got Sean.
He from the West Side, I meanVezo, all of them, they from the
East Side, like me.
You know what I'm saying.
It's like everybody has theirown sound and we been had it so
like.
But what I'm saying is like meat 18, think about it, Like how
you was going to Atlanta, I wasgoing to Pensacola every summer.

(44:58):
That's a code.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yeah, my mom's out in the family.
My mom used to live there.
It's from there, you know whatI'm saying.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
And then my dad's had a family from Mississippi, so
it was like I would go toPensacola every summer and every
even year I would go on afamily reunion on my dad's side.
So we have been El Paso, texas,dallas, texas, lexington,
kentucky, so I was hearing allof this different music.
And then when I turned 18 andwent to Cali, got stationed in

(45:23):
Cali that's a whole differentways, bro I was like yo, they
still playing 50 cent in theclub over there.
That's the only problem that Ihad with the West Coast, like
the West Coast DJs, bro, ain'thit no, nothing bro.
I forgot.
I think it was E40.
E40 said an upcoming artist inCalifornia does not have to

(45:44):
leave.
California to be successful?
They don't.
They making like 10,000 a monthjust because of California.
So off-route because look, sanDiego look, san Diego to LA,
about two, three hours from.
From LA to Sacramento probablyabout six to eight hours.
The California is so fuckinghuge dawg Like.

(46:05):
The sounds is different, Like,for instance, like be legitimate
.
The reason why Oakland andDetroit have the same, similar
sound of music is because theyfrom like they got family that
move, you know what I mean, butSnoop said that about his dad.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yeah same thing with Snoop when his dad moved to
Detroit.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, yeah, Snoop said he used to hang out, but
that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Like Oakland and Detroit sound.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah, you can tell.
You can tell like they got asimilar sound.
It's like identical.
That's why I love the Bey music.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
But the beats too, though.
It's that same, that samelittle tune, the same little
percussion that they had in thatdrum?

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, because I thought oh this.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Oakland.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
What's the old boy that had that song?
He got out of jail T-grids.
I thought he was from Cali.
When I first heard of him, heput me on him and I was like who
is this?
I thought he was from Cali.
Yeah, this nigga from Detroit.
I said Detroit, yeah.
Once I heard him say a Joy Road, I said oh, that's West Side.
Yeah, he, I said not I thoughthe was from Cali, but yeah, but
that goes to the producer.

(47:01):
Hell of a.
He's one of my top producers.
You know what I'm?

Speaker 1 (47:05):
saying yeah, he got a lot.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Bruh, he got a lot.
He got a lot of production broNow everybody catching on to it.
I mean just from Doug Sada,baby, sada, baby, nice, I mean
all of them.
You know what I'm saying.
Sada Baby he wild though yeah,doesn't he crazy, yeah he wild.
All of them they come from, Imean the East Side.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
like most of them, I like it.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, sada, baby too.
Yeah, Everybody got their owndifferent sound.
Bro, what day's the last Daysfrom the East Side?
She cold, she, she, she yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
You know the.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Eminem, one of Eminem albums.
He put a lot of artists fromDetroit up there.
Yeah, it was heard, big Sean,but it won't Vezo in them.
No, it won't, none of them, Ithink that was Doug.
Sean's album oh that was Sean'salbum.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
I'm saying Eminem was up there and he had a little
issue about that?

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Because Vezo, vezo, like he signed with QC.
Yeah, vezo, like Vezo had avalid point.
Huh, vezo got a point, though,like when you're in the streets
and shit, like of course thestreet niggas ain't listening to
them.
True, trick is, but I mean,yeah, trick, trick.

(48:14):
I mean, but at the same time,trick, trick from that era.
What side are you from?
From the West Side, where, yeah, so like when it kind of that.
Like you know what I mean, yougot, you got, you got different,
different people listening toyour music.
Bro, it's never gonna be the.
You know what I'm saying.
It's not gonna be like cause Iain't gonna lie like a lot of my

(48:35):
boys ain't listening to them.
I just, I just love music somuch that I was you know what I
mean Like I was in tune toeverything, and that's what I
always say.
Like, bro, I think my ears, myears, definitely different to a
lot of people.
So I be trying to tell peopleI'm like hold on, bro, like give
it at least three listens.
So when I listen to an album,for instance, some albums, you

(48:55):
know this shit hard, like, forinstance, and then some you got
to listen to it twice Cause I'mcause this.
Here go a prime example Bluelips, schoolboy Q.
Yeah, fire Out the gate.
You know what I'm saying.
I had meek joint, I hated itOut the gate.
Which one?
The heathenism, nah, that's.
But I had to go back.
Oh, I'm on the same.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (49:16):
I'm saying you get what I'm saying, no.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
So I had to go.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I had the first listen.
I'm like this is why I don't.
But, I get what you said,because I got mad, because I'm
like bro, I'm thinking this isthe album.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
It's only five songs.
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Right.
So my, my, my mental was like,oh no, I ain't listening to this
.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know whatI mean.
Then I was just like, all right, cool, I listened to it again
and the whip on the way to thegym I'm like, yeah, this shit
right.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Look, the first, the first hey.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Prince, the first track on that Meek Mill EP.
He rapping right.
Then he switched like to amelodic joint.
I said raw.
Yeah, I was so right there.
I said oh yeah, every out.
If you ever noticed his numberone song he tried to read, I
think he.
I think the melodic part camefrom Vorey yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
He on best with.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Vorey, yeah, but if you hear that melodic twist,
that's Vorey, yeah, Now he couldwrite his own melodic joint.
But come on, meek won't reallyknow melodic.
He definitely was.
The first time he went melodicwhen he did a song with Nicki
Minaj yeah, now he had Vorey,vorey.
Hey, I know he going to, wegoing to, yeah, but yeah, nah,
that's.
I'm telling you, though,victoria, my God, yeah, free my

(50:28):
dog.
I ain't gonna say that I'mparking.
Yeah, free my dog, free Tore, Iain't gonna say it.
I know how politics is, yeah,but you guys, me in private,
free Tore, I say that joint toyou.
Free Vorey, because I do.
He that, god, oh, real Trick,trick.
That's funny.
I follow him on IG.
Yeah, yeah, he funny dog.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, because he an old head now, you know who's
crazy, what you know?

Speaker 2 (50:53):
who is his, his cousin?
Who Judge Mathis?
No, you lying, I don't got.
You know who Trick Trick is.
Look up Judge Mathis and seewhere he's from.
I know Judge Mathis fromDetroit.
They not cousins, though.
Look it up, they first cousin,or just cousins.
They cousins, that's crazy.
Trick, trick.
That's why he got way witheverything.
But was he not a real judge?

(51:17):
He was the only one that was areal judge.
That white lady want a judge?
No, just Judy.
Judy.
Nope, oh you crazy.
Nope.
He said Judy ain't a real judge.
So Judge Mathis Nah, we're inhere, what's up?
He said that Trick Trick youknow Trick Trick, the rapper

(51:38):
from Detroit, yeah, judge Mathis.
So I was like is Judge Mathis areal judge?
And he was like, yeah, but Judynot.
I said hold up, brother, no,it's not like you told me.
But what did he say?
Though?
You looking up, you ain't know,bro, I'm feeling some
conversion.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah, so a lot of that shit messes me up because
it was entertainment bro.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
But you know, we ain't find this out till now.
I'm like I'm thinking.
You know what I'm saying yeah,yeah, I don't know if I ever
fucked the whole judge.
Nah, I knew someone was fake.
You could tell someone was fake.
I knew he was from Detroit, butJimmy Trick Trick cause it was
crazy.
Yeah, now look at that kind ofbehavior.

(52:24):
Yeah, bro, I told you, I toldyou them, niggas, cousin, you
back with the intermission.
Come on, man Got the fight.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
That was a good intermission man, great
intermission man.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Yo shout out to my bro Khadim over there behind the
camera.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
I appreciate you.
Shout out to Roland Appreciateyou, appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Wife birthday today.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Happy birthday, happy birthday.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah, let's get back to it.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
We already did the top five.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
We did the top five producers.
We did the top five artists.
We did the top five, top five,who.
We do it.
We definitely can do it.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Top five top five.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Top five, top five.
We got on four, bro.
We got March 29th, march 29th,we dropping it.
Is there anything you want totalk about, bro?
I mean, everything is on four.
Like my mindset is just on four, on four, on four, on four.
I just want people to know thatI got on four.
I just want people to know thatthe storm is coming.

(53:27):
I let everybody drop theirmusic in their videos, so
they're already raining In theirEPs.
Yeah, now I'm here.
The hood god is here.
The god you know on four ishere.
Yeah, videos on the way.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Oh, the visuals is crazy, by the way.
Yeah, two visuals.
Who's doing the visuals?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
We got.
Ego on one visual Got our Ego.
We got Adela Femmes, my brother, miles.
On another visual Shout out,miles.
Yeah, on four, look up On four.
Like a movie yeah.
It got like a how you going todo it.
You going to make it like atrailer.
It got like a TV series andthen it got the movie.
Yeah, like it's everywhere.
Yeah, need the trailer, thoughGot to do the trailer.
Trailer coming soon.
We going to chop it up, see howthat's.

(54:09):
Yeah, after this I'll show you.
Okay, you a little snippet.
Yeah, yeah, man, we got history.
We do music, we do talk familystuff.
Where do you see music goingfrom 2024 and beyond, as of

(54:33):
right now?
Yeah, you know, that's good,because there's so many
different sounds.
I mean you got people that say,oh, he's sound the same, he's
sound the same.
But me, being an artist, if youactually listen to two artists
that you think sound the same,they know Right, but that's just
me.
You might feel different aboutit.
But whoever you think soundsthe same, don't.

(54:54):
And the sound of music rightnow is all over the place.
There's not one little soundyou got Detroit Memphis is going
crazy right now.
Atlanta Memphis using Detroitbeats too.
You from Detroit, you can'tlisten to that, no.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
But I'm with it, though.
I love it, I love it, I love it.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Chile always going to have the on thing, but from
2024 and up, I ain't going tolie to you I want Virginia to be
on top.
Let's just go ahead and putthat out there.
I want VA to win.
We got a lot of good artists.
We got producers.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
The next time we had this conversation, even if it's
years from now.
Hey, rob, remember we talkedabout the sound of music, where
you think Virginia got to be inthat conversation.
What you think it's going totake for it to get into that
conversation.
I let these egos go Too manyegos.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
I'm not as I saw what it was looking for, because I
know what, bro.
I'm going to be honest it'sjust too many egos and I like
listening to music.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I'm not going to sit here and tell you oh no, I can't
listen to them.
I heard his music.
Everybody got a different look.
I call it a superpower,something that I ain't got.
I'm like, ah, he rap like that,how she sing like that, or how.
I think, bro, it's like, forinstance, too many egos, right,

(56:15):
a lot of egos.
The issue that I see that I'vebeen noticing is everybody don't
want to claim the DMV untilsomebody asks you where you from
.
You know what?
I'm saying yeah, yeah, but see,hold on, that's what I'm saying.
You're saying DMV, I love theDMV.
I'm just saying Virginia alone.

(56:35):
But that's what I'm saying, sojust Virginia, right, I saw when
you, once you hit Richmond,it's like everything south they
sleeping on.
Then you come here, I movedhere.
I think what I got here?
I got stationed here 2009 whenI got back from Iraq the second
time.
I was in Quantico for two years.
Right, I was trying tounderstand, like you know what I

(56:59):
mean, virginia, right right,right, I was in.
Virginia.
Then I moved back when I gotout in 2015, right, I was in DC.
Then I moved to, I think,Manassas Park, like 2018, 2019.
2017, right, yeah.
And that's when I met FrankFrank the host.
Yeah, yep.

(57:20):
And I was like yo like this isManassas, Like, bro, like all
these talented people right here.
Bro, it's a lot, it's too manydawgs and you just and that's
Manassas.
You still got Arlington.
You got Woodbridge.
You got Woodbridge.
You got Alexandria, you gotAlexandria.
You know what I'm saying?
That's also.
You said you was here.

(57:40):
What 2009?
Yeah, I moved to Manassas, 2008.
First of all, from RichmondDown, we don't know what a DMV
is.
Right, you from the DMV, I'mfrom Norfolk.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
You from DVN, I'm from Richmond.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
I'm 84.
Peter's third.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Like that don't exist .
But why not from?
Richmond Down is not part ofthe DMV, everything.
What Is it, fredrisburg?
You know what it's?
Yeah, fredrisburg Spotsy,that's the V in DMV.
So that's why I say nah, Iscratched it.
I'm talking about from, but VAperiod.
That's it, because I don't wantto say DMV, because 75, 7, 804,

(58:24):
they don't consider that DMVand you just got to respect that
.
That's just a respect thing,because the sounds is different
too down there 804.
That's a different way.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
That's a whole different way, and I lived there
too.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
They got their own thing.
75, 7 got their own thing.
And then when you like, yousaid the DMV part Northern
Virginia, it got their own thing.
But, here's my thing to add onto that.
When you say too many egos, Ithink not only is it the egos,
but it's the uneducated part ofit.
It's the uneducated part of anego that they having because

(58:58):
they don't even understand themusic business.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
For them to even have an ego to.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
You know what I mean.
To get to that point.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
A lot of them don't.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
And a lot of them even in studio environment.
That part plays another role.
You don't know how to be in thestudio, right, the etiquette.
Don't bring 20 people to mystudio session, right?
I just can't do this.
That's just me.
It'll be about 50 in onesession, right, unless y'all

(59:27):
taking notes.
Or hey, brother, you shouldswitch this up because you got
an idea.
I'm all good for ideas, right,if the family's there.
Y'all got an idea.
Okay, this sound like this.
Would you try this?
I'm good for that, yeah, but Idon't.
Yeah, it's too many.
It's too many, it's definitelytoo many.
And then it's like and that'show you rock?
I respect that.
I ain't rocking 30 in thestudio.

(59:49):
You can be outside, oh cool,yeah, but not inside.
I'm saying, like the etiquettepart that plays a role too,
eagles like brought up, yeah.
And it's like nah see, I got20,000 followers, you got 2,000.
I can't do it as long as, right, and that's another thing.
Whatever, that means, thebusiness again.

(01:00:10):
That goes back to the business,bro.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I see so many people with it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Because what can you do for me?
You got 10,000.
I respect that, yeah, I respectthat, but you got 10,000
followers and I could beignorant and say you got a
million streams.
You might not have a millionstreams, but you got 10,000
followers, but I wouldn't saythat though, because everybody
get it.
But I've been told, no, I gottoo many followers to do a song

(01:00:36):
with you.
Got it Okay.
Yeah, got it Okay.
And that's the thing, bro.
I think the ego in the businesspart is they educated on that
part Collides, bro.
If you understood what you cando with those followers, you can
get so much further.
But again, and I understandthat, they don't even want to do

(01:00:58):
the simple stuff of learningthe business side of it, but
then they'll be quick to run andsay, oh, this person did me
dirty, did me dirty, you knowwhat I mean?
Instead of knowing, hey, oh, no, that's not how you do it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
You mean and I'm all for just learning?

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, we both don't know.
Like, like, shout out to theteam we made business.
I'm glad I got them, though,yeah, and they ain't gonna tell
me everything and I say this allthe time They'll.
Nah, I ain't it.
You need that, though, and Inever had that at first.
Yeah, so my brother Miles, he'lltell me straight up this is

(01:01:36):
terrible, but other than, oh,bro, you good bro, we should do
a song together, but am I reallygood?
Or you just want to do musictogether?
Yeah, I need honest like, justlet, let, let, let.
You gotta be real with me, butwe trying to create something
here, yeah, so having a team isimportant too.
Everybody don't have a team.
Got to have a team.
You just got to.
Got to just go and record.
You're probably the dopestartist in the city, but he's

(01:01:58):
just by himself, and this isanother thing too.
So, like this lets me know ifan artist or a producer is
serious when I tell him to pullup.
You get what I'm saying,because I used to be the artist.
I'm not going to that andtalking to the print.

(01:02:19):
Brian going he be like it, hitme back and he break the whole
situation down why I need to go.
And then he'll end it off butyou don't got to go.
You just you, just you justtake me.
All this, that may sense, butit may sense, it may sense.
And then the end of the textmessage goes you ain't got to go
and I'm sitting there, that'show I know I call a tip, Bro.

(01:02:42):
We got to go to this event.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Yeah, that's how I know it, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
I know I get what you're saying the pull up part.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
I'm not going.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Why would I know?
Are y'all paying me, bro?
I had literally me and Esquirebro.
We had this team of producersand a few of them lived in
Virginia, maryland, dc area andwhen I was working at the studio
I'd be like yo, pull up on me.
I got unlimited time.

(01:03:09):
Yeah, pull up on me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know howmany pulled up One.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
One.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
You know what I'm saying?
I know, and he came fromWaldorf.
Shout out to Crazy Fingers andthat's dedication.
But that that lets me know whoreally wants it.
Who really seriously and when Igo to these showcases and stuff
and I'm meeting new artists,meeting new producers.
I just say pull up on meBecause I fuck with your music.
I like your music, but pull upon me.
Are you willing to get the game?

(01:03:37):
Are you willing to come in andsee how I do things, see how I
maneuver, how I move around andget some feedback from what I do
?
Are you willing to do that?
Because at this point, bro,time is money.
You know what?
I'm saying and if I'm offeringmy time without no money and you

(01:04:00):
ain't even offering to makethat trip, you know what I mean.
To jump in the whip and makethat distance Just to talk, just
to have a conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Not to record.
I might not even record withyou.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Yeah.
But I'm saying I just want tosee where you at, just to talk,
do you have your PRO?
You got ASKAP or BMI.
You know, I had a kid that youknow what.
He told me no, what did he say?
He said, yeah, I got Distro Kid.
No, you said ASKAP or BMI.
But his answer was you gotDistro Kid, and that's the
uneducated part, right.
So then I'm like all right,cool, you need more than that.

(01:04:36):
You know what I mean.
And then it's like all right,pull up on me.
It's not funny, but it's justlike that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
But this is what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
But I've been there, but I'm there and I'm still
learning myself, and there'snothing wrong with that, because
you know, like all right bro, Iknew where I was at, I know
where I am now and I'm stilllearning.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
I'm still learning.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Somebody asked me that years ago you got ASKAP BMI
.
I think I texted you.
It's like what is this?
Yeah, I got BMI, but I cananswer the question now, but
he's him saying this your kid, Iprobably would have said the
same thing yeah, but that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
I try to educate.
That's just the real part aboutit.
Yeah, I try to educate theyoungest.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
But at the same time, bro, I can't educate somebody
that don't want to learn, thatdon't want to.
You got to want the educationback, Like I ain't giving up
free education.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, nah, I get it.
So I always tell people, man,like, look, use the assets
that's close to you, but alsogive back to the assets that

(01:05:35):
provide for you.
You know what I'm saying?
That's so.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
It's like if I'm giving you a game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
you get the game and you run with it.
Just come back, and you ain'teven got to give me no bread or
nothing, but just acknowledgeAcknowledge like what you got to
that point.
And I think that's what helped alot of youngers out here.
But some people don'tunderstand that.
You know what I mean.
But we'll get them there.
You know what I'm saying.
We'll definitely get them there.

(01:06:02):
So, look, let's get to the gymclass, bro.
Ok, let's do it Gym class.
This is what I do every end ofthe podcast.
Ok, it's pretty much, bro.
Just what can you?
What tools can you give anotherartist, another hook writer,
another, anything, just a father, whatever?
What gyms?
One or two, three, however manyyou want to give?

(01:06:24):
What can you give them to carryon and put in a toolbox?
And this, this is me talking toupcoming artists, artists at
home.
The gym I would give to youguys is relationships are
important.
Yeah, and I'm not talking aboutoh, I follow him or her on

(01:06:48):
Instagram.
No, talking about conversations, about life outside of the
music.
Yeah, relationships areimportant, because you never
know who you're talking to.
Right, you could be talking tosomebody that starts off 100
followers.
Y'all just have a relationship.
Two years later, that personhas a million followers and hits

(01:07:13):
you up like, hey, do youremember the conversation we had
?
Would you want to meet so andso?
It could take you so manyplaces, take you far.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
It could open so many doors Even in a workplace they
say, hey, go to school, get yourdegrees.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
That's beautiful.
Sometimes this is about who youknow.
Hey, you're a hard worker.
You didn't go to college, butyou're a hard worker, I know
you're a hard worker, I know you.
We got a relationship.
Come work with me.
Now you're making money thatyou didn't thank you.
Same with the music A produceroh, that's my little partner

(01:07:45):
from around the way.
I got a song with Jay.
You need a hook on it.
You want to pull up?
Why?
Because I have a relationship.
Business is business.
I understand.
Having a relationship matters.
It's important to anybody.
Yeah, that's a fact, bro, yougot to have a relationship.

(01:08:06):
Man, that's the whole point ofthis whole podcast, bro, because
this was actually going to beone of my album titles.
I had a whole poll like FirstQuarter, terraria Relationships
Work More Than Money.
And Eddie came up with Terrariaand I was like all right, I'm

(01:08:29):
going to beat Terraria, but I'mlike why?
He's like, well, you know theTerraria part is from your name,
but he was like the red part isfrom Detroit Red and I'm like
Malcolm X.
You know what I mean.
And I got nip on my leg.
So that's tough my thing.
My tap, once I finish my leg,is going to be nip pot Malcolm X

(01:08:51):
and Huey P Newton or FredHampton, either one right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
But that's what was going on on my leg and shit, I
already got nip.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
You know what I'm saying.
So I was like man, that's tough.
He came up with that.
I'm like that's tough.
So remember the first album Idropped, the compilation drink
was Terraria.
Then I came with the R&Bversion, which was First Quarter
.
That's tough.
So Relationships Work More ThanMoney.
I felt like nigga.
That's a oxymoron.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
No, literally, it's an oxymoron, like it really is
what it is.
It's what it is.
If you know, you know Like yougot to have relationships, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
If not, anybody that's in the industry right now
has a relationship to get towhere they at.
Man, I'm trying to tell youyeah, All because you're genuine
.
Right, you got to talk aboutmusic all the time.
No, if I pull it to your studiosession, it's not for me to
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