Navigating Change and the Social Media Dilemma with Alex Kellar

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, hey, welcome to the Relatively Unknown podcast.
My name is Brett.
You may know me, you may not Ibet you do but I'm back.
I had to come back.
The pods was calling me.
I really miss it a lot, and myfirst guest is Alex Keller, and

(00:24):
the reason I chose him isbecause the last time I did this
podcast we'll call that volumeone we recorded an episode and I
was like I can't pay the billsand I'm about to be kicked out.
So I have to do a real job nowand that's what I've been up to.
But I still got to got gottagotta have a show.

(00:48):
Gotta gotta talk to the people.
I enjoy it so much.
Thanks to the Minion Death Cultpodcast.
They helped me quite a bit.
Alexander and Ani invited me onto do a show with them and that
really meant a lot, and youknow I've always loved those

(01:09):
guys and they've always acceptedme for my weirdness and insane
behavior.
So shout out to them, give thema listen, as always, and thank
you to everybody that reachedout as well.
I mean the people that saidthey were happy to hear from me.
I mean those things mean a lot.
It does cheer me up and I justhad to get back in the saddle,

(01:35):
and so here I am.
I'll be doing an intro, I think,before the interview here,
instead of trying to do it allat once, um, doing a solo thing.
I have to be a lot tighter, andI will be, but I'm working on
it and I got some ideas.
But, um, hang on and it'll getbigger and better and, uh, you

(02:00):
know, still continue to spreadthe mess and uh, you know, I'm
just being in a in a greatposition, uh, recently, and I
want to talk to the people too.
So, on my list of things is acall in at some point.
Um, I gotta talk to the people.
I've made all the mistakes inthe world so you can talk to me

(02:22):
and I can show you exactly whereyou're going to fuck up.
Um, and I'll be having guestseach week.
A lot of friends.
Um, I'll try to get as manyfamous and cool and, uh, you

(02:48):
know Blue Sky as RelativelyUnknown.
I also have B-R-E-T-T-P-A-I-NBrett Payne on Blue Sky.
But I think I'm going to try tomake it easier and just go to
straight Relatively UnknownInstagram and Twitch.
I'm Relatively Unknown Co.
This interview was actually livestreamed.
I've got a pretty good setupand I'm getting pretty

(03:10):
comfortable with the system, soI went ahead and threw it up on
Twitch.
So if you're a streamer personand you want to come and chat
and join in on the show, that'scompletely welcome.
Completely welcome.
You know, uh, we want morepeople involved.
Uh, to get this community, um,as big as we can.
Uh, to push back against allthe bigots and fascists and

(03:31):
bullshit and, uh, you know, help, uh, help to foster more
community and more, um protestsfor Gaza and for, you know,
women's rights and fortransgender rights.
So I appreciate all y'all thatare here listening to this very

(03:52):
first one.
Even if this is years in thefuture and you're going back to
number one, it'll always mean alot to me and, without any
further ado, here is theinterview with Alex Keller.
Oh wait, I forgot to say holdon.
So me and Alex have known eachother for a really long time now

(04:12):
.
I mean, it's been like sevenyears or more and we went to
WrestleMania, did a show withhim when he was out of control a
maniac, but actually I was tooI was pretty fucking wild, I was
candy flipping or whatever.
Um, and then, uh, you know himbeing in cleveland, um, you know

(04:35):
he comes through prettyregularly, so he's a.
He's a great friend and he'sbeen through a lot and he has
had his ups and downs but it's areally fun and raw conversation
.
I think you'll enjoy.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Worldwide.
Hey, what's up, man, happy tohave you here.
Yeah, great to be back for thefirst time again.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yes, we get to do it one more time.
This is the director's cut.
This is the better version.
Thank you for being here.
I appreciate it.
Um, as always.
Uh, I know you got a lot onyour mind all the time, uh, and
I recently I saw you were alsoin the top 10 of people on
gofundme yeah, for some fuckingreason, that's quite the

(05:19):
accolade.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
No, actually it's horrifying when you consider it,
because it's just me throwinglike 10 bucks or like I don't
know.
I just go to like when in doubt.
I, like you know, payday comesand there's this thing, gaza
funds dot com, which justaggregates a bunch of like
GoFundMe is, like you know, from, like you know, coming out of
Gaza um, basically like boosts,ones that like, maybe, like are

(05:46):
like don't have as manydonations so that, like you know
, it's not like some socialmedia game where everyone's just
in the replies of everyone'sshit on, like twitter, blue sky,
which is a sad fucking thingand sucks because it's like not
only are you in a genocide butyou also have to have like some
fucking like second language,like social media aptitude to,
like you know, survive.
So, I don't know, I'll justthrow $10 here, $10 there,

(06:09):
whatever the hell.
So, like we're talking likemaybe I don't know, fucking like
$500 a year and that's the top10 percentile.
Fuck that.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, that's that's surprising to hear.
I I yeah, that's surprising tohear I.
Also hate the system because itis whoever can get the most
clout.
Whoever has a cute story or ischarismatic enough gets the
health care.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, I call it the GoFundMe industrial complex.
It's churning.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
I mean, it's an everyday thing too.
I also have the inclination ofjust feel like I just got paid a
lot.
Here's ten dollars to a Venmoor something you know, or
whatever, wherever it ends up.
But I'm proud to have you onbecause of that.
So congratulations on thoseaccolades.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, I'll just pat myself on the back there.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
So what have you been up?

Speaker 2 (07:06):
to recently.
Um, let me see here, uh, it'sjust work gym, um, I got a band
going, core tar, um, having alot of fun with that, singing
with them played the other night.
Uh, fucking, I had bored tolife for years there, podcast
cleveland, pod, core worldwide.

(07:27):
But uh, we uh kind of like uhshut it down officially in
december, but really in november.
Um, I don't know.
I mean, yeah, you know as wellas anyone and shit over twice as
much as me, like you know.
I mean we had that thing goingfor like four or five years and
uh, yeah, like I don't know,scheduling's a nightmare and,

(07:48):
like you know, fucking just Idon't know, shit happens.
And then you know, fucking onething doesn't work with the
other one, and but we're goodnow, but we're just not trying
to create a podcast once a week,every week now yeah, I totally
understand that.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Um, yeah, that's the thing about life is, uh, what
always gets me, every time thishappens to me, is that it's
chapters, it's chapters, uhthey're, they close too, they
come to an end and you're on toa new chapter and you don't get
to pick, um, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
so I mean.
The weird thing with thechapters, though, is like I feel
like I mean, I don't know, Isaid this once and someone's
like well, that's just life, butit always just seemed like
singular to me in my head andmaybe just saying it out loud,
but, like I don't know, like Ifeel like I go through like
these, like sort of like four tofive year, like you know,
cycles like I don't know.

(08:40):
Like, for you know, for fuckingyears and years, it was just
kind of partying and listeningto music, fucking teenage and
into young adulthood, and then,in my early 20s, I was trying to
play music, trying to playmusic, and then, early 20s, I
was already into punk since highschool, and then I got into
hardcore, and then it was likeall right, let's play in

(09:02):
hardcore bands, play hardcorebands, da-da-da-da-da, and I
gave that a bunch of myself, andthen, like wrestling fandom,
and then, wanting to be awrestler fell back into me and,
like you know, then that waslike sort of like blended in
with the music, until it waslike more just the wrestling
featuring the music, and then,like I don't know, yeah, like I

(09:28):
mean shit, it was like four orfive years being being a pro
wrestler, um and uh then, yeah,like I mean, even before the
pandemic happened, it was likesort of slowing down for me or
it was about to heat back up,but like in a different way, I
had a very funny fucking list oflike goals for 2020 that I
remember posting in like late2019 and it was like, oh yeah, I

(09:50):
get down to like, you know,because I was like getting up to
like 250, 260 and I was like Iget down to like a manageable
240, you know if I can be abetter partner to weird body,
you know like be more stablepresence at aiw?
um, do less than half as muchcocaine in 2020 as I did in 2019

(10:11):
, which, uh, you know, hey, Ifucking did I think I, I only
did like, maybe like a gram anda half, three grams in 2020, uh
versus uh, much more than thatin 2019.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, any improvement is better.
Yeah, harm reduction here.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, another one was have a completely sober
threesome.
Didn't get that one going, butyou know one day that's elusive
for most of us.
I mean back to the cocaine.
It'll give you the confidenceto, you know, and pizzazz to
like maybe get a threesome going, but then the cocaine is not
going to the confidence to, uh,you know, and like pizzazz to
like maybe get a threesome going, but then the cocaine is not
going to allow your dick to havethe threesome going yeah, it

(10:50):
doesn't.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, the bottle of whiskey doesn't help either.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Uh, yeah none of that leads to a good time.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
You're absolutely right.
That's.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
That is some real wisdom but yeah, like, but it
all like sort of like blendsinto the other, where, like I
mean, wrestling is like in thevery much in the back brain of
my head, but it's still likethere are aspects that are like
just within me, but like as faras like what you're like fucking
pushing towards, and now it'sall circled back around to I
don't know, I'm having a lot offun with like being in a band
again.

(11:16):
So you know, yeah, it's cycles,but like it's like I don't know
, it's like a circle of a cycle.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, well, so what I've been doing for the past two
years now, I wanted to do apodcast.
I did chill out.
I was not that crazy bonkers asthe last episode I did.
I was not that for even a fewweeks, longer than that.

(11:45):
I was pretty much sobered upand was back to normal, normal
shit by then.
Um, but like still, um, youknow, just had to have a lot of
money all of a sudden, like hadto not, you know, not be able to
just charm my way on theinternet into it, and so I kind

(12:06):
of just shut everything down.
I was just like you know, I'mdone with this shit, never again
Burn it, all type thing.
But I started working at thisplace that I'm not going to name
because I still work there andyou know there's a lot of freaks
and weirdos and geeks in thisindustry and, uh, a lot of them,

(12:26):
you know, do other things.
Uh, and this lady in a band.
She was like do you play musicor something?
I was like no, people thinkthat I was a podcaster.
And she's like oh, blah, blah,what happened?
I tell her a little bit andshe's like you'll do it again.
And I'm like you know what?
That's right, she's.
She was like I was in a bandthat took over my whole life for
14 years and it just came to acrashing end.

(12:48):
You know, this lady's in her,this lady was in her fifties,
you know.
So she, so she's, she's alreadylived it.
Um, and still the I still, youknow, at my big age of 40 years
old, um, still think that, um,you know, I Still think that I
know better than life is goingto kick you in the ass sometimes
without what you say, but likethe substances, that helps a lot

(13:15):
getting rid of that.
I stopped drinking a lot.
I only drank a few times lastyear.
I'm not a teetotaler and I justdon't.
You know, I fucking hate theworld so much that I don't care
about being sober for it.
Like, I don't think if people,if it's like a a more the ride
is better, that they respect itmore or whatever.

(13:36):
Like everything is backwardsand sucks.
Um, and you know, but I'm not,I, I don't like I didn't like
being, you know, but I'm not, Idon't like I didn't like being,
you know, drunk all the time andI tried being drunk all the
time for like 15 fucking years,and so then there it has.
It's really good times and youknow, there is living.
Now even there's the problem oflike, well, you know the people

(13:58):
at work, like now I meet peoplethat know that I'm, that I used
to be awesome, like I'll meetsomebody that's like, oh yeah,
like I can invest in in uh, Igot, I got um, uh, introduced to
um some in-laws and immediatelythey're like okay, oh, you want
to drink like 20 beers.

(14:18):
I brought like a case of beer,we can drink this.
I've got drugs in the like theywere just ready to go and I'm
just like no, I'm not drinkingthis year, I'm just taking it
easy, you know.
And they're just like soperplexed, like damn, and it and
it.
It does reinforce.
For me it's like if I you know Iam a little bit more quiet than
I used to be Um, but if I drankfour beers uh, I'd be telling

(14:47):
some stories and rolling aroundon the floor.
You know uh performing uh, soit has its uses.
But it was really important forme to break it all the way.
And getting through theholidays, getting through
birthdays, all the reasons thatyou can tell yourself to drink,
getting through all of that shit, uh helped me immensely and now
it's um, it's a.
It's a very rare occasion, uh,that I'm getting fucking drunk I
mean I'm assuming you're stillon the uh weeds yeah of course.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Oh yeah, I mean, my issue is, yeah, I haven't.
Uh, I think it'll be likefebruary 21st or 23rd somewhere
in there.
I'll be like three years offthe sauce and, um, I like you,
like, I'll like go to events andshit, and like my thing is like

(15:27):
I mean I'm definitely, yeah,obviously not like the fucking
bloviating, bellicosemotherfucker that I used to be
so much on.
You know the sauce Fucking, butyou know, and like I like just.
But also something I noticed islike going out to bars and shit
is the punishers still existand they'll still find you and

(15:49):
but the weird thing is, like Ican find, like they still punish
you and but now, like I havecontrol of myself, where,
instead of you know, eitherblowing up on them or letting
them ruin my light night to thepoint that, like I then like
turn that on somebody else, I'mjust like all right, let's just
get the fuck away from thisperson.

(16:10):
Like it's just, I like thecontrol of not having the booze
yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
What do you?
What's the punisher?
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (16:17):
uh, oh, like a punisher, like uh, I think it's
like a pittsburgh punk term, butlike just, basically like
someone that like just ispunishing to deal with, that
like just, but of course zeroesin on you to like just talk your
fucking ear off and like youknow, oh hey, what's up?

Speaker 1 (16:33):
man Like you know, dude, I I wrecked one of those
guys.
Uh, we went to a rave.
I was fucked up, I was candyflipping and it's like six in
the morning, uh, me and mygirlfriend are hanging out with
this other older lady, you know,having a really fun, cool
conversation, and this guy comesup and he's just like dancing

(16:54):
in my face and he's like, yeah,I don't have a job.
I'm like, okay, good for you.
He's like my dad gives me allmy money.
Like he just basically spilledthe beans about how he's like
his entire life is paid for byhis rich dad that doesn't give a
fuck about what he does and hejust travels to him and, um, and
I was just like I can't believeyou would tell a stranger that
without being embarrassed ordisgusted with yourself, and he

(17:17):
and I, and then I punished himwith, uh, just telling him like
he was horrible, um, and, andyou know it was harsh, it was a
little harsh.
Also, the same thing happenedthe last day I stopped drinking
was at the Indy 500.
I got so blitzed on thosefucking the juice force, the

(17:43):
voodoo ranger, those things arelike pure alcoholic rage.
Those things are like purealcoholic rage.
Uh, but this like 19 year oldkid came over to come get weed
from us and was talking abouthow he smokes the loudest weed
and he's always got weed andeverything about it and I was
just like then why don't youhave weed?
Why are you here asking us forit?
If you're this tough, you ain'tshit like I smoke, I have it on

(18:07):
me.
You know, like that's the endof the story.
I don't have to tell people, uh, and you know it was mean, he
was a stupid kid.
I could have just laughed itoff and let him go.
Um, yeah, I mean, but I meanthat venom.
You're right, that venom islike that.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
I have no other option besides the venom if I'm
drinking I mean, I remember onetime I think I like, uh, sent a
gift in to like the old show andyou guys were doing a stream or
whatever, opening gifts andshit.
And in my note, one of thethings I said it was like Brett,
I love your late night fucking,just drunk bitter rants on

(18:40):
Twitter.
And yeah, I mean, I still havethose Like you know, fucking,
like you know where, like justlate at night or even during the
day, like oh, yep, yep, I'mjust gonna fucking let a bunch
of darkness out.
But like now I'm like aware ofit and instead of like waking up
at five in the morning, likehung over, like oh fuck, what
the fuck did, I say god, let medelete that.

(19:02):
I'm like all right 20 minuteslater, yeah, if someone saw that
, that's fine, but yeah, I'mjust gonna delete that yeah, I
do a lot of tweeting deletestill yeah but like, yeah, like,
but you're just like a lot morelike in control.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Fucking is the nice thing yeah, yeah, yeah and also
yeah.
I mean, you know, in the grandscheme of things, not many
people see it, but there are thefew that it's just like
embarrassing as fuck to you know.
Be like, oh, I saw what youtweeted and deleted.
I know what you really think.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so.
So I've been in a job for thelast two years Crazy, having

(19:38):
fucking coworkers again, totallyforgot about that.
Having to live alongside alsothe dysfunctional last family
aspect of it, um, when it's nota corporate thing, um, but I've
just like I I am.

(19:59):
It has renewed my, it hasrenewed my um fight for justice,
I would say I, maybe I had alittle too easy just getting
paid to podcast, because now I'mlike holy shit, how do you have
enough money to have fuckinggroceries and gas, uh, and it's
gotten so bad.
Um, I, I just I don't know whyeverybody hasn't revolted yet.

(20:20):
This is the same reason Istarted.
Podcasting in the first placeis like gang, we gotta all get
together, it's gotta beeverybody.
We gotta say no to this.
Get together, it's got to beeverybody.
We got to say no to this.
It's, it's beyond, um, out ofcontrol it's a wild.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
I mean, I've been navigating it.
Uh, I will say this uh, let'sjust say there's a german
grocery, uh chain yeah yeah, uh,ollie's, we'll call them uh o
Ollie's is better than Aldi,because you get named, branded
Ollie but, yeah, well.

(20:55):
AL, fucking, you know, whateverthe fuck.
You know, star I, if you livein, like you know, near a bougie
place because like, obviouslyin like some harder
neighborhoods they don't have asmany fucking self checkouts.
But, brother, let me tell yousomething, the one next to me
they went from having like fiveyou know cashier checkout lanes

(21:18):
with like one self checkout tohaving two fucking cashier lanes
which like bookend a whole bankof self checkouts and their
self checkout Cause, like you goto like Lucky's market or some
shit like that Fucking, if youset a bag down in the bagging
area, it'll tell you to pickthat shit up because, like you
know, oh, you've put somethingunauthorized in the bagging area

(21:40):
that you haven't paid for it.
Da, da, da da.
Let's just say that that, uh,german, uh, shopping, german, uh
, shopping chain, they do nothave that.
So, uh, you know, let's justsay you have yourself a nice
little grocery bag, you put anotebook in the bottom of that
and then you put a bunch of junkmail in the bottom of that and,
uh, you know, you just walk onin and uh, maybe the giant bag

(22:03):
of chicken breasts and you know,the fucking iced coffee and the
frozen fruit that just, oh shit, it's underneath all my mail.
And uh, then you know, you justthrow a bunch of yogurt and
fucking cheap shit on top and uh, bing bang, boom, you're
fucking out of there.
So you know, I always get likethe buy one, get two deal there,

(22:23):
so that's been helpingtremendously.
Um, and then on the gas front,just uh, go to a place that has
a gas card and uh, what I liketo do is, uh, you know, there's
the get-go, uh, which, uh, youknow the giant eagle fucking gas
station deal and they've likebuilt like a sheets into it and
uh, really, it's a, it's avolume for value economy.

(22:44):
Now, because, uh, basically whatyou got to do is, uh, you know,
I'll fucking order a sandwichfrom, like you know, the fucking
made to order screen and uh,then, in the process of uh
waiting for that sandwich, andthen I'll go buy the sandwich
and, you know, pay for thecigarettes and while I'm waiting
for that, you know you getyourself a nice full ass, like
you know, 64 ounce iced coffee,um, and then you know, maybe

(23:08):
some stuff falls into yourpockets and then you know they
got their ready made to orderfood.
Uh, fucking, and maybe thatjust happens into your bag and
you throw $5 to the uh fuckingpeople making your sandwich and
say, hey, thanks a lot, have anice day and uh and then you got
all that points towards yourgas.
Then you got all that pointstowards your gas.

(23:29):
Bang bang boom.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
But you know that's yeah.
Basically, I don't know howanyone's surviving without like
just fucking stealing all thegoddamn time.
Yeah, you know, actually,sheets has on their app.
They have a Sheets to go whereyou can scan stuff in the store.
I go through and I scan stuffvery openly, scan shit and I
grab it and I walk out and Idon't hit the purchase screen
because there's no system inplace to check whether or not
you hit the purchase screen andyou know if someone comes
rushing out I'll just say oh,you know, internet hiccup, I

(23:58):
pressed check out.
I thought it checked out likethe it's enough plausible
deniability and they're stupidenough oh yeah, and I'm like
I'll take advantage of it thatevery time now my local sheets
that I go to, no, but I'm stilldriving around the country all
the time for other reasons andthere's a lot of sheets on the
way.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah Well, yeah, that's the thing you got to,
like watch shit and where youeat and all that stuff.
But oh my God, wait, there'sanother fucking solid scam that
I've been on lately.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Aldi, though their self-checkout is horrible Like
it is.
I hate it Really.
I tried it one time.
I had so much stuff and I couldnot balance everything.
There was no fucking room andit took forever.
Like I just remember the goodold days when those fucking
people in their chairs justright into the cart I don't know

(24:54):
, it took so much longer.
I do the curbside pickup nowand you can even use food stamps
with that.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
That's what's up.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Well, I mean.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Joe Biden Shouts out.
Joe Biden, I got kicked off offood stamps like two years ago.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Oh no.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
And then also got kicked off Medicaid last year.
So you know, fucking thanks alot, trump Fucking blows.
Yeah, that one was funnybecause the Medicaid, because
I'd gotten like a second job,because I like work at like a
head shop, you know fucking likeon paper like 20, 20, 20, like

(25:29):
26 hours a week and you know 14an hour which is underneath,
like you know the 1616 a monththat you can make as a single
person without kids and like beon medicaid yeah, yeah, yeah and
uh, fucking.
But then I got like a second job, like delivering bread for some
like fucking frou-frou, likebakery or whatever, which was

(25:52):
basically like an extra, likemaybe two hundred dollars a week
, okay, and uh, fucking, likeyou know, or like 150, 200 a
week, plus a bunch of free breadwhich I don't know what they
were putting in their shit, butlike they were using some sort
of gluten that just like itcould just be a slice of bread,
and it was like straight thefuck through me.
So you know, good riddance ofthat shit.

(26:13):
But yeah, like.
So then when I was like doingmy annual, like you know, just
check in for my fucking Medicaid, I put both like incomes down
and I thought that it was liketwenty four thousand dollars a
year or something like you know.
So I'm like, all right, I'mcool, thousand dollars a year or
something like you know.
So I'm like all right, I'm cool.
But then no, I got the thing.
They're like, oh yeah, you'refucking over, so we're kicking

(26:34):
off medicaid, you can appealthis.
So I appealed it because, like,I didn't have, like it's not
like I quit the job after Ifound out they kicked me off.
I had already quit that job.
And the story I told them was Ithought I was going to get more
hours at the other job but thenit didn't happen.
But in reality my cat died andI was like kind of in grief and
then the owner was sort of cuntyto me and then, like you know,

(26:56):
I was just like well, deliveryour own shit, man.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Fucking bye, fucking uh love to pull that move dude.
I mean, my thing is, I alwayslike to say you can only kill
yourself once, but you can quita shitload of jobs so you know,
yeah, um, you know that I stillhave some of that uh in my
system where it's just like, ifit goes sideways today, I'm just

(27:19):
saying fucking peace.
You know, like if I get fuckingyelled at, I'm saying peace
like and I don't mind either.
Like I, I don't enjoy it.
I'm not into the shock value ofit.
But yeah, there's been plentyof places where I've just said,
all right, this is the last timeyou're going to see me.
Then and just walk out whiletheir mouths are dropped and I'm
like, yeah, I'm a ghost now.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, I mean my favorite one.
Yeah, when I was deliveringbeer a few years ago I think it
was like 2021, into 2022.
Yeah, I like delivering forlike six city or whatever.
I was actually coming down tocolumbus a few times a week
fucking delivering shit, whichuh hurt because I had to fucking
deliver to shit ass fuckingtown hall in columbus.

(28:00):
Yeah, but um, oh god he, yeah,the fucking owner went to
fucking jail yeah, he's like upfor like rape charges and shit
and like fucking.
I just like yell at anyonethat's on that patio whenever I
drive by in cleveland.
Fucking yeah, fuck that butyeah, it was trash before then
and much trasher now.

(28:20):
But uh, but yeah, like that job, like I ended up, I actually
pulled a terry funk quittingthat one, because you ever hear
the story of how terry funk uhquit the wwf in 84 no all right.
Well, you know, he, like youknow fucking like, folded up his
territory because you know hesaw the writing on the wall that
, like you know, vince was theone and da la la and like they

(28:41):
were losing money on it.
Anyway, like so many wrestlingpromoters back in the day in the
territory, days were very muchlike ranchers, where it's like,
well, this is the familybusiness, it doesn't make any
money, but this is the familybusiness, uh, fucking or maybe
it does.
There's some money being made,so we're just gonna stick to it
yeah, but uh, yeah, like thefucking hearts, jesus christ,

(29:03):
but um, but yeah, they, um, buteither way, he fucking was on
the road and then all of asudden, yeah, with the WWF, he
was on the road like 200,fucking, 250, 300 days and you
know, fucking, he had alreadybeen through one divorce with
his wife and, like you know, hiswife was like not feeling it
and he was feeling a rundown.
So instead of talking toanybody, he has left a note in

(29:24):
the locker room one day thatjust said my horse is sick, I
think it's dying, I'll see youall later.
And uh, so to the point that,like, when he came back in like
98 with like mcfoley andeverything vince, was like how's
your horse?
But uh, yeah, fucking, I, uh,yeah.

(29:45):
Like I came in one day to thisbeer delivery job and, like you
know, I'm, I'm going and I'mfucking putting shit on the
truck and then the fuckingpallet jack for the goddamn
fucking kegs, just the batterydied or something, and I was
already pissed off about a bunchof other things and then I was
going through a million otherfucking things, coming out of
the pandemic, going from justgetting paid to be home and just

(30:08):
exist to me stupidly being like, well, yeah, it's never going
to end Fucking, the pandemic'snever going to end and this
money's never going to end.
So, yeah, I'm fine, and thenadjusting.
I was definitely feral comingback into the workplace but yeah
, basically some shit went wrongand I felt wronged and also I
was just crazy.

(30:28):
So I just took a fuckingSharpie and a piece of cardboard
and some duct tape and I, likeput the cardboard up on the
fucking pallet jack and justwrote my horse is sick, I think
it's dying, see you all later.
And, uh, fucking, just strolledhell, yeah, that's great yeah,
that was a fun one.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah, they, I mean God, do people really take you
for granted?
You know, and that's I mean, Iactually appreciate, I actually
like what I'm doing now, but Istill deal with other like
business owner type people thatyou can tell, consider you know
the employees of any other placeto be their employees as well.
You know, yeah, which is quiteshocking.
You know the employees of anyother place to be their

(31:07):
employees as well.
You know yeah, um, which isquite shocking.
Um, plus, in the auctionindustry you're dealing with a
lot of like death and divorceand like the.
You know all that shit, andit's usually a pretty someone's
like having to sell stuffbecause you know somebody's sick
or because they're going tohospice or some shit like that.

(31:28):
So it's fucking, it's bonkersindustry.
But I really do enjoy workingwith older people.
The amount of perspective I get,like I really need it in my
life, like having a 60-year-oldartist lady laughing at me like
she's got 20 years on me andprobably had two or three life

(31:50):
lifetimes in there.
You know, uh, it's really nice.
I enjoy it.
Um also, thank god, the peopleI work the most closest with um
are like free palestine people,like it's hell yeah, as soon as
it bubbled up, I was just likethis is going to be unavoidable
at work.
Um, if it might get me fired, Idon't know.
I I mean I could yell.
I can't control myself.

(32:11):
I can't control the yelling ifI like, if I'm really pissed, if
they are, you know, if they'rereally pissing me off.
But yeah, no, no issues withthat.
I would say, I mean, you know,in regards to the whole thing, I
actually had a younger personin their early 20s that was like
, oh my gosh, this is awful,what are we going to do?

(32:33):
It feels so hopeless and I saidI'll tell you what.
Like you couldn't show anysupport for Palestine before
that date.
And it's become way moreacceptable and way more out
there, and people know that it'sa position that a lot of people
, a lot of people have.

(32:53):
It's not going away, you know,and yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
I mean I saw some chart that said that.
Like I mean it was like latelast year.
It was like a chart that saidthat like fucking people that,
like you know, support Hamas inthe United States and it was
like something like 10 or 15percent, and I was like show me
the chart from like fucking,like two years ago right you
know fucking and what that said,and uh, you know it's just uh.

(33:21):
I mean, I don't know what it allcomes down to or means, but uh,
fucking, yeah, israel's donethemselves.
No, and I wish them all thevery worst, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, I mean I came about that from a coworker that
was from Jordan, so I learnedabout it in the early 2000s just
from working with people andthere was no movement on that.
I mean there was definitelyradical.
I learned about radicalbookstores and communist meetups
and dsa's and all that shit,but, um, you know even that, uh,

(33:52):
nowhere near what's I mean,dude, today you want to talk
early 2000s.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
I remember having like a fucking screaming fight
with, like my friend brandon.
Like you know, he was droppingme off in his like fucking sable
after we were out for a night,like in high school.
And I'll just talk about myfriend brandon real quick.
I don't know if he's still afriend, but whatever, he
recently changed his name tolike something more nordic, like

(34:18):
his last name, and I'm like I'mdead naming you bitch.
You're brandon paul.
Fuck you like, because also I'mpretty sure he's closet homo,
whatever.
But uh, if I get he, I'mserious.
One time my mom like pulled upwith a guy from like uh fucking
college that she was with and,like you know, my friend brandon
, we were all getting into hiscar and she's like, oh, it's

(34:38):
cool, your friends have a gayfriend and like she's like who's
?
He's like that guy, she's likebrandon, and we're like and like
we all laughed about it foreverbecause we just are eternally.
He became a fireman too, likehe's just doing everything
possible to just be the manliestman and we're like no dude, we
know, but um, yeah no, likefucking somehow, like Israel,
palestine came up and like Iwasn't, like you know, doing any

(35:01):
great reading, like basicallyI'd like heard a story on NPR or
something like in high schooland like I just basically like
had like the whole thing randown for me and I was like well,
yeah, fuck Israel, that soundslike fucking Palestine's fucking
in the right, fucking twowrongs.
Don't make a right, eat shit.
Fucking.
Blah, blah, blah yeah fuckingand in like 2001 or two, piper

(35:24):
and Brandon was like you know,it's for like Judeo-Christian
tradition and I'm like what thefuck does that mean?
You are not religious.
Like right, just idiotic shit,but yeah so I, that's.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
That's also troubling too.
Um, with the whole, uh,manosphere and the alt-right
stuff is uh the weird, like youknow, conservatism just coming
out of nowhere, like you know,for young men, especially the
way that's showing up.
I uh, yeah, it's like what thefuck do you mean like that?
You?
You are like the, the.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
You're not the head of any fucking household, you're
a fucking bum dude, you know,like yeah like talking about the
fatherland and shit, like Icurse, like I'm like half german
and I curse my half germangenetics, because right now I
have like just this gut and likegeneral body shape that just
longs to be in a speedo on thebeaches of Greece and like I'm

(36:16):
like this is the German in me.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
I hate that Fuck that , yeah, you're, you're calling
to you.
Yeah, you know I was going tosay, yeah, let's get into just

(36:53):
the topic of the day, for thisweek at least, which is the
bigbershop pages, and got amakeover.
He is now.
He is now respecting the rightof I don't know what bigotry
they're respecting the right to,to, to deem another person,
free speech man so crazy thatthey're not worth any humanity.
Um, it's a, it's, it's so, it'sreally it's that, and I know

(37:15):
this comes up a lot, but um, uh,you know the paradox of
tolerance thing.
Uh, yeah where it is like weneed to.
We definitely need to confrontany of these bullshit ideas of
other people being less thanless than things that go against

(37:38):
, you know, medical science,things that go against biology
and all of that stuff.
We need to come out and takethose down.
But we can't protect somebody'sright to to just uh harass
people and and call them slurs.
We can't protect somebody'sright to to just uh harass
people and and call them slursand uh say that that's, that's
just their opinion of somebodyyou know who's transgender or
black or whatever it may be.

(37:59):
Um, like, people need to standup and and say this is not okay,
like I.
I fell into that trap when I wasa fucking teenager.
Like, oh well, if they're, ifthere's a nazi and everybody
agrees with the nazis, then Iguess they can be the elite.
You know, it's like it's a freeeconomy, it's everybody's
competing for ideas, ideas, andit's like, no the good, we know

(38:21):
most of the stuff to do, we most.
We know most of the stuff to do.
Profit won't, profit motiveswon't, let us do it.
But but acceptance of people,acknowledging folks besides
Christian, white people of thecommunity notes aspect.
Um is just it.
Just it makes the echo chamber,I think, a lot stronger for

(38:53):
those people now that, um, theycan put their own community
notes underneath with their ownfake sciences from bible
colleges or whatever the fuck itis, you know yeah, I mean the
fucking, because the communitynotes were actually maybe an
improvement for a while there,because, like you would just, I
mean you'd even see elon gettinglike roasted by the community
notes and shit like thathonestly, I agree, I liked them

(39:15):
too.
I do like them in a lot of cases.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
It's nice to just have something directly
underneath that says this iswrong, you know yeah, but like
yeah, obviously now they're liketinkering with that so that you
know there is no fuckingobjective reality to anything
whatsoever like yeah, I mean forthem also.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
It's like the conundrum of it all is, you know
, they think that we'reintolerant that we, we don't
respect their, their I don'tknow their right to be
christians.
We don't expect respect theirrights to not acknowledge
someone's gender identity.
You know, like that's, we'reintolerant of that because they
want to fucking yell at thedenny's hostess, you know, for
being androgynous or somethingor cause they're bothered that.

(39:55):
Uh, you know, someone at thegas station is a guy in a beard,
has a fucking dress on.
You know, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
It's just so.
Much could be solved by justnot giving a shit, Like you know
yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
so much could be solved by just not giving a shit
like you know yeah and and notworrying it like are you allowed
to be, are you allowed to be astraight white christian male?
Good, you're fine, then you'regood, you're golden, I mean shit
.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
There's like been a whole fucking, like you know, I
mean, I've been seeing rumblingsof it, like you know fucking
people trying to like I feellike there was a whole like sort
of like vibe on like the leftwhere it's like, yeah, the whole
fucking atheism thing went alittle crazy.
You know, whatever, if you'rechristian, you're not an asshole
fine.
If you're muslim, you're not anasshole fine.
You know this.
If you're whatever religion,you're not an asshole.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
I really can't give a fuck, like you know, fucking,
and but that cannot be grantedthe other fucking way around,
like you know, it's like I don'tknow, it's fucking stupid yeah,
um, I mean just the danger ofand not even having like a

(41:27):
liberal party that will will saythat some of this shit isic,
fucking Republicans that aredon't think that the Democrats
are.
They're doing the same shit asthem.
Like it just all flips insideitself and what we say about
them, they say about us and theball is moving a little bit on.
Like education of you know,hatred of capitalism is an

(41:48):
all-time high, um, you know, butwe are, we really got to rev
the engine on, um, you know,stopping this fucking free
speech and freedom crusadebecause it it fucking ruins
everything you know free.
Like we don't have freedom.
We don't have freedom, we don'thave freedom to leave our
fucking neighborhood block if wedon't make enough money to get

(42:10):
out of it.
Like there's no freedom toeducation, there's no freedom,
there's no access to any of thatshit that's guaranteed.
Like it's all based upon whereyou're born or where your dad
does for money and if not, youget the crummiest shit and
that's how it is.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I had an argument like a while back.
I mean, mind you, I was like onone, like just like in a bad
place mentally, but then, likefucking, I have like this one
like gen x, like punk friendthat like he's like really into
like ufos and like you knowfucking crazy conspiracy
theories and shit.
He might be becoming a legitflat earther.
That like alarms me a littlebit, but you know, I don't know,
he uh fucking, but he's apretty good egg.

(42:50):
But he sent me something whereit was like about free speech
and like, but it wasspecifically, like you know,
like some pretty shitty guy likeyou know getting his like
speech, like you know, wildlyimpinged upon and I just fucking
blew up on him.
I'm like, dude, I can't give afuck about free speech, because

(43:10):
free speech in service of what,like you know, fucking are, what
are we allowed to actually talkabout?
Like you know fucking.
Oh, we have freedom of speech,cool.
What about freedom of fuckingaction?
Like you know fucking.
So it's like, yeah, if we'reall allowed to yap our gums
about every last fucking thingand we're but we're not allowed
to do anything about it, whogives a fuck about free speech?

(43:31):
If anything, get rid of thefucking free speech and then
drive that shit underground andthen fucking.
You know from there.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Fucking people make moves, but yeah, fuck free
speech yeah, I mean free speechworks for kkk and hate groups.
They are.
There's plenty of those to goto.
There's plenty of whitenationalists fucking websites
and forums and places to formall your allegiances.
Try to do anything remotely forthe benefit of the working
class.
Start talking about class,anything you know.
Join an environmentalist groupand you'll get fucking

(43:58):
infiltrated.
You're not allowed to sitaround and read fucking Karl
Marx in America because afucking Fed will be there.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Well, I mean, the Fs will be in the KKK and, like you
know, the Nazis too, but uh,you know they're just more back
in the cut on that and justwaiting for someone to, like you
know, fucking, finally be like,let's do a bomb, yeah, and then
half the time they stop thebomb yeah, they're probably just
getting a drink for free at theend of the night.
Um yeah, um well, you know thatyou're like I have so much less

(44:28):
reading to do in the kkk.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
This is great yeah, we know the fucking anarchist,
god damn it.
Yeah, it's always a group, it'salways a meetup.
Yeah, there's always a breakout.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
I'd rather just just be hateful, you know um, yeah,
hang out the fucking vfw withthe boys you know um, all right,
well, I don't know how muchsense I made there.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Uh, I've it's bugged me, but uh, we'll return to it.
Um, but for now, to to roundout the end of the show, um,
we're going to get you with somequestions here.
I've got a list of there's 23on here right now.
Get ahold of me If you have anidea for one.

(45:12):
I'll make sure you get yourcredit on here.
We're going to roll a 23 sideddice and you came up with a four
.
Oh, this is a good one.
What is a favorite?
What is a favorite weird momentfrom history, something that
sticks out in your mind?
You know that.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Of note that favorite weird moment of history.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
I just read the Wikipedia for Roland the Farter,
who was paid to fart on commandand given a given a like castle
in the countryside and just hadto come out once a year to do a
fart on command and fuckinglived an extravagant lifestyle,

(45:59):
Favorite weird moment in history.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I'm just going throughout.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
I damn I'm drawing a blank, but I I will say, uh,
fucking, it doesn't have to beweird, let's just say say, let's
go.
Favorite moment of history um,I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I remember hearing a story about uh stalin like
basically doing like a bankheist where he ended up just
throwing grenades at a horse anduh, that just seems like some
guy rich t shit like I want tosee.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yes that sounds like that sounds like you made that
up in like a uh, like a treehouse like we'll go out there
we'll throw the m80s at thehorse.
That's gonna cause a ruckusyeah, fucking, but just everyone
.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Just horse flesh and like you know hell all over the
place and people just runningaway with bags of like you know
fucking money with like whateverthe ruble sign is or whatever
the fuck fucking on it.
Damn that, just yeah.
With like you know whateverlittle hat fucking.
I'm sure there was a hatinvolved, but yeah, I don't know
.
That's the one that's likefucking breaking out of my brain

(47:02):
right now.
Hopefully something else willcome back to me.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
But for now that's like fucking breaking out of my
brain right now.
Hopefully something else willcome back to me, but for now
that's mine.
I love it.
Just that works for me.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
All right, let's give it a roll number two, uh,
what's the worst job you've everhad?
Oh, um, I mean basicallyanything in a kitchen ever like
I.
I am not a kitchen-temperedperson.
I worked at a bar that had a10-cent wing night and you would
believe that, yeah, there werea shitload of people there and I

(47:35):
hate.
I'm just, yeah, I don't havethe brain for a kitchen.
So sometimes there would belike green-as-fuck chicken wings
that I was just like throwinginto the fryer.
I was like I hope you die.
I seriously legitimately hopeyou fucking die.
And no one died because youknow you don't want to be more
tougher back then that gutbiomes yeah, that's true that we

(47:56):
had more raw milk.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Uh, back in the day no, that's the kitchen is
horrible.
I'm with you.
Um, certainly would do it if Ihad to.
Um, it can be quite lucrative,but there is such a cap on it
where it's like you're always umgonna be struggling, like I
just feel like you're alwaysgonna be living paycheck to
paycheck.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
It's hard to get out of that and even, and if you do
end up, and then also, you likethe fucking like class and race
dynamics of the kitchen orwhatever, or just the race
dynamics of the kitchen, becauselike, yeah, I worked at one
place that like you like thefucking like class and race
dynamics of the kitchen orwhatever, or just the race
dynamics of the kitchen, becauselike, yeah.
I worked at one place that likefucking like the daytime staff
was like mostly black and thenighttime staff was fucking
white.
Everyone was sexist as shit.
But you know the night staffwas just saying the worst shit

(48:38):
ever about the day staff andlike I was stuck in the night
staff, just like I've workedduring the day shift.
Everyone fucking does the sameamount of work they're supposed
to do.
I don't know what the fuck.
You're just mad that you're.
You can't be out drinking rightnow.
Like what the fuck?
Like Nasty shit like and itjust brings out the fucking like
the cool.
Like that bread delivery job Idelivered to one place and like

(49:01):
I got a vibe for like differentkitchens at different places
place and like I got a vibe forlike different kitchens at
different places and this isgonna sound a little unwoke, but
women in the kitchen, fuckingyou know there was one place I
delivered to this coffee shop.
They had like all women in thekitchen always the best vibe in
the world.
Like you know they were alllike you know, just like, hey,
how's it going?
Like you know it fucking lookedclean, like fucking like no one

(49:21):
seemed miserable.
I'm sure there was all sorts ofweird psychic like you know,
fucking terror being like youknow, enacted in every fucking
direction, sure, but it just didnot seem like the fucking hell
pit of like so many fuckingkitchens I've been to and it's
its own sapphic tragedy.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
I'm sure in some way, but outwardly at least, when
you know we had, I had, I saidat work, I said that nobody is
allowed to, no guys at work areallowed to say an item is
missing until they ask a womanto look for it.
Because we had so many fuckingtimes I worked in the office

(50:00):
with the ladies and they wouldcome up and be like I can't find
this.
And then you would get up andyou would go and fucking look
and it was right where it wassupposed to be and it's just
like man.
You know what it's?
It's sexist as hell, but it'sso fucking true.
God, I mean dudes, you gottaopen your fucking eyes, and I'm
so.
I'm guilty of it too.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
I am not, I am not transcended this myself, I mean
well, also, like it's like afucking, like you know, not a
biological but a hormonal thing,because, like you know, I'll,
like you know, see, like youknow, like trans men talking
about, like, yeah, I used to cryall the time and now I'm on t
and, like you know, I can justsort of like brood instead of
fucking weeping about it andit's awesome.

(50:39):
And, like, like you know,fucking vice versa, like you
know.
So, yeah, like in in that, likefucking, like yeah, like it's
more like a now versus where,like you know, sort of a thing,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Um, oh uh, a, one C, three a, one B.
Two in the chat says as a womanin a warehouse, they've
personally put away everythingyou're looking for.
Well, there it is.
Folks, now we know it's aconspiracy.
Thank you for your service.
Yeah, that's why guys can'tfind it.
Let's see here what's next.
Number one this is a low number.

(51:17):
I said 23-sided dog.
Did I do a 23?
Oh, Hold on a second.
I've been rolling diceincorrectly.
I have to work on this.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
I need to get real Well in the meantime, shouts out
to organism yeah, it is endlessnightmares.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Oh yeah, kitchen for me.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, they said the nightmares of restaurant jobs,
the stink Like smelling likefucking onions Having your skin,
whatever that grease is, yeah,that like in like a diner ass
kitchen, like fucking, like thatyou just does not come off your
clothes, or in a fucking pizzakitchen.
Pizza kitchen is maybe one ofthe better kitchens, Cause like

(51:56):
it makes it's, you're onlymaking one thing and, like you
know, it's just sort of likemore like assembling Legos than
like making food.
Like you know, fucking you'rejust like.
This goes on top of this goeson top of this into the oven.
Blah, maybe you fucking face thefucking garlic shit.
But yeah, fucking man like,yeah, just kitchen, ass,
kitchens.

(52:16):
Get the fuck out of my facehaving shoes that can't come
inside you know, yeah, um, okay.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Next question is number uh, number 10, which is
oh uh, society collapses, um,somehow rebuilds.
What would be your collapsecareer, like, what would you do
after a breakdown of everything?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
well, I'm gonna make myself a nice little placard
that says I'm, I'm heading tothe tobacco fields, please don't
kill me, um.
And then yeah I'm.
I'm just walking to, likeVirginia or North Carolina or
whatever, wherever the fuckthey're making the tobacco, and
I'm just putting my head down,bowing and saying, please let me
work the fields or guard thefucking border or whatever the

(53:01):
hell.
I need these ciggies and yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
So this is yeah.
A lot of people want to take ona new empire.
They think they're going to gettheir own fiefdom.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
You're just saying, as long as I got smokes and you
know two meals a day, probablyaren't going to do three meals a
day, probably two meals a dayon that yeah, um, but uh will
help call your hunger yeah, Ican, you know, I can quit all
sorts of shit, but uh, you know,or maybe I don't know, I could
fucking like go to the fuckingvape, fucking mines or whatever

(53:35):
the fuck but it's not the samelaboratories yeah yeah, the vape
labs um is.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
That's gonna be a lot of annoying characters there
too just cauldrons of vape juice, clouds just billowing out yeah
, different colors to be mixedand swirled together.
Okay, next question is number16, which is ooh, if you could

(54:03):
force one album onto everybody'sphone, like you two did in 2014
, what album would you choose?

Speaker 2 (54:10):
uh, I would go with the 1986 project echo soundtrack
.
Oh really, yeah, fucking thisthing.
I mean, you've seen projectecho, right?
I don't think I have, oh my godbro, I think it's on youtube oh,
I recognize this, but I know Ihaven't seen it yeah, well, it's
like a classic of like fuckingjust back when, like blockbuster

(54:32):
or hollywood or wherever, onlyhad like two rows of anime tapes
exactly so you just like rentthe same fucking tape over and
over like every couple of weeksand I was like just getting into
anime and shit.
And they had the same project,echo, where, like you know, it's
like a red-headed school girland then she's gotten annoyed,
and that's echo.
And then there's bico, who'slike fucking this rich bitch,

(54:54):
like it was like gray hair,that's like a super scientist.
And then siko, who's just anultra annoying, like you know,
fucking blonde, just jabberbox,and uh, the thing is I was like
early on in like anime fandomwhere, like I was just like oh,
this is a serious thing, butthen like I realized like it
took like deck like a decade tobe like no, this is basically

(55:16):
like the naked gun of like animewhere like it's like, oh, super
strong, magical school girl.
And then also we have this fakeCaptain Harlock, who's actually
a woman, he's an alcoholic, andthen, like some fists of the
North Star, like you know, assbig chick named Mari and, but,
most importantly, the soundtrackwas produced by this dude,

(55:39):
richie Zito, just in a garage inLA on all the cocaine.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
And like the American release, or no, just for the
japanese release.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Okay, for some reason they just were like, yeah, fuck
it, let's get like.
You know some fucking.
So it's like just this amazing,like just sort of like synthy
pop new wavy soundtrack which islike girl vocals and uh, yeah,
the uh outstanding bops would beuh, dance away.
Follow your dream.
I have a dream to cover.

(56:08):
Follow your dream in like ayouth crew hardcore style one
time okay because it's just themost posi shit ever, where it's
like there's a vision in yourheart.
Only you can achieve.
You can find the highestmountain if you only believe you
know, fucking type shit love it.
Yeah, I would put that oneveryone's fucking phone in a
heartbeat sure love it.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Um, yeah, I uh.
I've been watching lots of show, uh, 70s era, um godzillas, uh,
and common writers, and thething that will never compete
these newer shows is the music.
Like when they get into justfucking like a 70s funk fusion,

(56:52):
like for like a chase, you knowthat's like common writers
chasing a guy down and it justdoes the fucking slap bass and
all that shit.
It's, it's so fucking good.
And the 80s ones too.
Um, even better, because thenthey start getting into like the
fucking electric guitar, likeyou know, just screeching
guitars and shit.
Um, yeah, I love it it's great.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
I uh actually I'm like djing tomorrow at this
pizza shop for like a fundraiserfor like this fest that's
happening in february shouts outrust belt ripper fest Fest, and
I think it's like the second orthird track, like I programmed
a whole mix and the second orthird track, because I'm just
going celebrity style, I'vealready prepared my mix and I'm

(57:34):
just going to stand there withheadphones and pretend that I'm
doing something.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Smart, smart.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
You know fucking.
But yeah, I have from theoriginal Mobile Suit Gundam
soundtrack, Gallant Char, whichis just the funkiest, coolest
shit in the world.
Like in the original Gundam,like whenever some shit's going
down, all of a sudden you getboom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom and it's like yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yeah, love it, love it, love it, love it.
Yeah, nothing beats it.
Let's see here.
Uh, how many is that?

Speaker 2 (58:08):
four so far oh, let's see, here we one more.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Yeah, we had yeah looks like uh, number three, uh,
which is oh, what is your dreamcar?

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Ooh, dream car.
I'd love to have a 98 DodgeGrand Caravan again.
Wow, you know, fucking, noseats in the back.
Just, you know, fucking, tapedeck with an adapter.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
What are you carrying in the back?
I don't know.
Maybe people, maybe musicalequipment, maybe furniture,
maybe nothing at all Fuckingjust yeah.
I don't know.
Maybe people, maybe, uh,musical equipment, maybe
furniture, maybe nothing at all.
Uh, fucking just, uh.
Yeah, I don't know.
That was, uh, probably like myfavorite vehicle I've ever had.
Um other dream vehicles 89, uh,camaro.
Uh, because my one friendshouts out, my dude mike.

(59:01):
In high school he had like justthis piece of shit, 89, camaro.
That was like sort of like, uh,fucking like teal blue with
like some like fucking, like hehad just gotten it used or
whatever and like it had likewe'd like roast it but we loved
it at the same time and we'djust be riding around like,
fucking, like just doing stupidburnouts and throwing eggs at

(59:21):
people and fucking.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
You know there's all sorts of horrible teenage
bullshit just blasting likedeicide and like trance yeah, um
, I mean we had the same growingsame uh childhood I had an 86
camaro oh, hell yeah that wassad.
It was red but it sat outside,so the whole like uh, hood and

(59:44):
top and trunk was bleached outfrom the sun, completely
bleached out from the sun, um,and it was.
It sucked.
It was a v6 but it wasrear-wheel drive so you could
still fucking burn out anywhereeverywhere we went um throwing
eggs at people and also probablyprobably some horrible pop punk

(01:00:05):
or something, probably likereal big fish, not dsa yeah,
fuck it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Uh, oh yeah.
And then third car would be theuh dodge rampage oh yeah, those
are fucking sweet yeah, which,uh, you know, also would be good
for maybe my travels down to,uh, fucking virginia and the
apocalypse.
You know, you could like makeit into a technical, like add
some sort of machine gun to theback, for it's like shitty
little truck bed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Yeah, I love that idea.
I think you got a plan Ready togo, ready to serve.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
In the tobacco armies .

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
The Rampage is For people who don't know.
It's like an El Camino, butit's a Dodge, and it's boxier.
Yeah, I love it.
I wish I could put it up on thescreen.
I'll figure out how to do thateventually, but look up the
Dodge Rampage.
Good choice.
Well, that's the five questionsfor the day.

(01:01:02):
I appreciate you stopping byand agreeing to do this with me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
It's great to be back for the first time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Yes, absolutely, I don't know.
I just am ready to get back onthe horse feeling good about it,
and we'll return next week witha guest that I still don't know
who it's going to be, butyou'll be surprised by it.
Um and uh, is there any placethat people can go, alex, for

(01:01:37):
your stuff, for your band?

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
uh, yeah, let me uh just run down the plugs.
Uh, twitter, I'm on private, sonot too much happening there.
At the tower skin instagram.
I have that deleted off myphone for the month, just along
with the twitter, just forsanity and just chilling and
trying to read a book, um so,but that's tower skin worldwide.
Blue sky, old blues guy.

(01:02:00):
Uh, also tower skin worldwide.
A lot more active there latelybecause I have the other two
deleted off my phone.
But then, cortar, that'sC-O-R-T-A-R.
Members of Integrity.
Aaron Melnick from Integritythe guitar player yeah, he plays

(01:02:22):
drums as a drummer.
He's a hell of a guitar player,but we have a lot of's a hell of
a guitar player, but, uh, wehave a lot of fun.
Um, he also wrote a book, uh,fucking called uh, bringing out
the darkness.
I think it's like a sci-finovel.
It's pretty sick cool, uh.
But yeah, you can find us oninstagram.
Right now I got music videostossed together with some shit.

(01:02:42):
It'sC-O-R-T-A-R-C-O-R-E-H-A-R-D, so
CoreTard CoreHard on Instagramand I don't know.
Hopefully we're going to try toget a little record put out.
Maybe put some Aaron's clout touse.
I haven't had anything on waxsince like 2009, so that would

(01:03:05):
be tight as hell, yeah thatsounds dope.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Uh, how do you feel about, I mean I?
How do you feel about twitter?
Can you just not leave it?
I, I'm I.
I initially was like fuck this,I'm gonna quit.
You know, when he you know, hejust handed it over to the
bigots and assholes and starteddoing the doge thing.
I was just like I got to quit.
But, um, I can't avoid it.
You know, I think, the way todo it, I'm posting on blue sky.

(01:03:31):
I'm not posting on Twitter, butI am still gazing at Twitter.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
I mean you need Twitter, like just cause
probably you have some friendsthat aren't on blue sky that you
want to DM with.
So I'd say like really, themethodology Right now for
Twitter is just Fucking lockyour account and talk to your
homies and uh, fucking.
But like, yeah, like, try toget blue sky off the ground.
We need to get a blue skyversion Of fucking Instagram at

(01:03:56):
this point, because Instagram islike fucking, yeah, obviously
About to become hell on earth,like you know fucking.
But it uh, I don't know.
I have like some friends thatlike swear up and down, that
like elon's gonna I mean, elon'sdefinitely gonna fuck the dog
sooner or later, and like eitherI don't know the saudis are

(01:04:17):
calling a debt kashogi style or,like you know, a plane crash,
or, you know, fucking also, youcould just be too fucking high
on ketamine and kill himselfbecause, like the wrong pepe
said, like the mean thing to him, yeah, who the fuck knows?
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
But he's due for a big loss yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
So either way, like some people are like, twitter is
not going to be this forever,something's going to change.
So I'd say, yeah, just goprivate and fucking talk to your
homies and you know, quote,tweet dumb stuff, and you know,
just because.
Also, yeah, like it's nofucking point just yelling at
people.
I mean it is a pisser though,like between twitter and
instagram, especially, yeah,getting back into like band shit

(01:04:57):
.
Now instagram is so much moreof a thing than it was than like
fucking like six years ago.
Yeah, um uh for music, like inpromoting music and shit, it's
nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Yeah, I mean it's.
It's actually done pretty wellfor you know the Ohio hardcore
account.
Uh, there's one for Columbusthat does a good job of uh
getting bills out there, like,uh, it makes it easier to know
what's going on.
Uh, I do appreciate that.
And you get to hear a lot moremusic.
I would say I've definitely,because of instagram, I've

(01:05:30):
listened to more bands that haveyou know, under you know, 10
000 streams, you know or underyou know, 50 000 streams.
There's a um, there's playliststhat go around too.
That um, I've enjoyed.
So, yeah, I mean I don't like,I'm not gonna be like, I'm not
gonna say like there's a purityto being on any fucking social

(01:05:51):
media.
You know like, oh, if you're ontwitter, you're supporting a
bad guy.
Personally, I feel like it islike helping out, but then I get
people sending me screenshotsof twitter.
I get people sending me shitthat happened on twitter three
days later and I'm just likethis is why I don't leave, like
this is.
This is the reason, becauseit's the shit is happening there
well, that's a wild thing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Like all that shit happened on like new year's day,
new year's eve, like with likethe fucking you know those like
fucking maniac attacks orwhatever.
I didn't find out about themuntil like the second on blue
sky, right like the news justdoes not move, I mean the
timeline starting to move morebecause, like it used to be like
blue sky, you'd like open it upand check your timeline and

(01:06:33):
then you'd open it up like threehours later and it was the same
fucking timeline right now,like you know, it's like maybe
you gotta wait like 20 minutesand you might get like a couple
of new posts which maybe that'shealthier, who knows yeah, I
mean for me, I've enjoyed it, um, uh, it's, you know, way less
engagement than what I normallygot.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
I don't have as many followers I'm brett pain,
b-r-e-t-t-p-a-i-n on there, um,but I have gotten back to being
able to talk to people withoutsomebody get coming in and like
I oh well, that's changing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Yeah, that's true but so far there's like people
coming on blue sky.
Where I'm like, was your socialmedia experience just facebook
before this?
Why like fucking people beinglike?
Why are you faving your post,my post?
I don't even fucking follow youlike and I'm like.
I'm like grandpa, what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
They're getting gang stalked on Blue Sky now it's
fucking weird.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Oh yeah, I have one more thing to plug.
I am about to have anotherpodcast Fucking coming out.
I'm probably going to startediting the first one After this
.
It's going to be called 95 toLife we are all sentenced to 95
to Life when for a long timeI've had the thesis statement
called 95 to Life.
We are all sentenced to 95 toLife.
Where for a long time I've hadthe thesis statement that 1995
is the greatest year ever inAmerican cinema.

(01:07:53):
That's American in parentheses.
So I'm basically going to,episode by episode, movie by
movie, get into the filmographyof 1995.
And yeah, our first episodebegins with Street Fighter.
By movie.
Get into the filmography of1995.
And yeah, our first episodebegins with Street Fighter the
movie, which some eagle-earedlisteners might be like.
Well, wait a minute, that cameout in December of 1994.

(01:08:17):
Well, let me tell you something.
The cinematic year of 1995began in December of 1994 with
Street Fighter the movie, andthen it ended in.
The cinematic year of 1995began in December of 1994 with
street fighter the movie, andthen it ended in January of 1996
with biodome, and in betweenall that we got gold, wow.
So I'm still figuring it out,but yeah, I don't know what else

(01:08:39):
is a middle-aged guy supposedto do other than fucking start a
movie podcast.
I guess we got nothing else todo.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Yeah, nostalgia is big these days.
I've uh, I've been doing moreto uh.
I've been doing more to uh justenjoy childish shit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
I think I had a problem with it where before it
was like I gotta be, I gotta,you know, I gotta um be
responsible with my money it'slike no, yeah, I don't I need to
make myself happy dude, I havea problem with fucking
aliexpress and I'm trying to getin on that Brother let me tell
you something If you want animefigures, you can get shit cheap

(01:09:12):
as hell.
I have so many one piecefigures that are like fucking
like 30 centimeters for likefucking like 12 bucks, like you
know.
Yeah, wait, like you know good,like four or five weeks for
them to come, but you know theyget there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
No, I'm with you.
Um, I actually uh, in myrelatively unknown store on like
ebay and mercari, I have abunch of like anime figures and
stuff.
Um, the only reason I have themis because I can't believe
they're charging 180 for actionfigures these days.
Um, but for my personal stuff,the, I get the bondulu off of
aliexpress, I get the commonwriter, that's 897, you know,
and, and, like you said, 12inches tall, do you?

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
ever get?
Do they ever like flip youaround where all of a sudden
they're trying to charge youargentinian money for some
reason?
No, I get thai money.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
There's a lot of th fans of Kamen Rider, so I always
end up on some sort of Thaiversion of Amazon and AliExpress
both.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
And you got to get on it now, before these tariffs
hit.
So you know yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
I mean, yeah, I definitely my goals are for more
sustainable and reusable andall that stuff.
There's just no way around itthat sometimes you need some
cheap plastic bullshit and, um,the amazon prices are so stupid,
considering you also have topay 15.
You have to pay 15 a month topay three times the amount of us
for a spatula that you wouldfrom aliexpress dude, fucking

(01:10:38):
depop is becoming bullshit thesedays.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Fucking like I went and there was like some three
dollar shirt and I was like, ohcool, three dollar shirt after
shipping and everything probablybe like an eight dollar shirt,
you know like.
But now, with like fees,there's all these extra fucking
fees they've added where all ofa sudden it's like a three
dollar shirt costs you likefucking fifteen dollars and I'm
like I'm not paying fifteendollars for a three dollar shirt
yeah, they, um, they, becausethey use their own shipping and,

(01:11:04):
uh, I think I believe depop myopinion is skimming off the top,
because the prices they chargeare way higher than what I would
pay.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
If I personally printed out a label, I would pay
eight or nine bucks, goingthrough like pirate ship.
Yeah, and they're charging $12for items that are like a pound
or less, or maybe even twopounds or less, and doesn't add
up for anything Nothing.
Gold stays gold, I guess it'strue.

(01:11:30):
It's true.
Ebay is adding buyer's premiumnow too, which is pretty common
in the auction industry.
I don't know, I know it'scontested, but I do think it's
nice to have the buyers to takeon some of the, you know, the, I
don't know what's not risk, but, like you know, to pay for the

(01:11:50):
customer service to be able toget returns all of that shit.
Like you need to chip in 4%.
You know to like on thisfucking deal.
I'm selling you, I'm sellingyou this thing that you're not
going to get anywhere else.
I dug this up out of nowhere,you know.
I know people think resellingscummy or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
But yeah, you make 20 to 30 dollars if you're lucky
on an item like yeah, I mean,well, that's all well and good
if it's going to the seller andnot just to fucking ebay yeah,
that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
I mean, yeah, they've been rinsing for a very long
time and it just always goes upthere.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
They're just the only game in town for, like, as far
as most collectible markets areconcerned, Like I went to like
pay like part of my fuckingelectric bill the other day and
all of a sudden there was thisnew thing where it's like
there's either going to be a 50cent or two or $2 and 75 cent
fee to, like you know, pay thisthrough your fucking bank
account.
And I'm like this has notexisted for five years, like I'm

(01:12:43):
like I want to know that likesome employee is getting paid
for this, not just some fuckingCEO Like you know, show me like,
like a sponsored, like fuckingchild in Africa.
I want to see the employee thatis getting this fucking 50 cents
.
God damn it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, show me where it goes.
Well, I appreciate it.
Thanks for being here.
We will see all y'all next week.
Once again, thank you forlistening to the Relatively
Unknown Podcast.
Find me on Blue Sky, brettPayne, b-r-e-t-t-p-a-i-n.
Find me on Instagram atRelatively Unknown CEO Company

(01:13:21):
and, I think, on Facebook too.
I'm going to post on Facebook.
I don't know, I feel likeyou've got to push back against
the hell a little bit.
So peace, see you.

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