A Nightmare on Elm Street (40th anniversary)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Straw Hut Media Wake Up. It's time to wake up
and listen to Release Date. Rewind a podcast that celebrates
milestone movie anniversaries, and this episode features a major milestone
in the horror genre. If you thought we were done
talking about scary stuff because Halloween was a few weeks ago,
well you're wrong. I'm your host, Mark J. Parker, a

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film lover and filmmaker, and thank you for listening to
this show on the straw Hut Media Network wherever you
get your pods or watching on YouTube. Nineteen eighty four
was a big year for memorable movies and this movie
is one of the most memorable ever. Even if you
haven't seen this, you've heard about it and you've seen
some of the visuals. We are celebrating the fortieth anniversary

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of Wes Craven's groundbreaking film on Nightmare on Elm Street.
A scrappy, low budget film with lots of creativity and
lots of money issues behind the scenes during production. But
this film launched a new iconic villain, Freddy Krueger and
his disturbing weapon, and it gave us a fierce leading
lady who is determined and tough as nails. Wink wink,

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and oh my god, that creepy Charles Bernstein's score. I mean,
everything is so good. This movie is a special one.
So if you want to watch or rewatch, it's currently
streaming with ads on Pluto TV, or you could borrow
it from your library or find it online. Now, heads up, everybody.
We will talk a bit about the overall franchise, so

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some sequel spoilers might pop up, especially later on when
we rank them at the end of the show, so
stay tuned for that. All right, kids, snuggle in and
stay awake because I'm your boyfriend now and it's time
to rewind. All right, everybody, I am so excited to

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talk about this classic horror movie, one of the best ever,
and I'm so excited to talk about it with not one,
but two great guests that have been on the show before.
One two. I have two guests. See, look, I just
made a look back to this. I have Clark and
Dave Clark Felix and Dave Gonzalez. Welcome back, my boys.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
How's it going, Pattie, Hey, Hey, thanks for having me again.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Oh my god, you are so welcome. So Dave was
on the show. When was the last time super Mario.
We talked about start yeah right, yeah, oh you heard it.
Thank you Clark and Clark, you of course were last
on with Jawbreaker, which was a great chat. Finally you
were on. So you guys have been on the show before,
you know the drill. But before we get into our

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love of Nightmare on ELM Street, I want to hear
since you know, yeah, spooky season's sort of over, although
I think November is still spooky. How is Halloween? What
do you guys do? Clark? What'd you do on Halloween?
Anything fun?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
You know?

Speaker 4 (03:02):
I'm actually really excited because I was initially supposed to work,
and I work nights, so six pm to six in
the morning would have missed the entire thing. But my
co worker stepped up let me have it off.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
So we did. We always host how our family come over,
take the kids out, trick or treating.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
I did the best I coode with the last minute costumes,
just some links in the halo.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
On that is that what you wore?

Speaker 5 (03:23):
What were you like? Angel? Yeah, just a last minute angel.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Last minute Angel. That's a great costume. I love that.
So yeah, did you walk around your neighborhood or do
you go to like another neighborhood, like where all the
good candy is or what do you do know?

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Our neighborhood's cool?

Speaker 4 (03:39):
And then where are usually the house to go to?
Because I let kids take like a whole handful of candy.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
Yeah, that's got a treat them right.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, that's so sweet. And what about you, Dave? Did
you guys go trick or treating too with the fam?

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah? We did.

Speaker 6 (03:51):
So it's a little bit different now with a kid.
So this is the first year she actually, you know,
she's able to able to walk around. Last year we
took her to American Dream and this year we decided
to do the same thing because they had like a
little party that big Oh because you're not from you're
not from Jersey.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
So yeah, it's.

Speaker 6 (04:12):
Essentially the the second biggest mall in the entire United States.
It's owned by the same I believe it's owned by
the same company that has the Mall of America in Minnesota. Oh,
it's a brother for It's that you probably were still
in Jersey. It's that construction that they started by the god.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, I remember when living in New York that thing
was being.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Built for like twenty years.

Speaker 6 (04:38):
Yeah, so so it's a it's a massive mall.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
So we took her there.

Speaker 6 (04:43):
We all dressed up as Beetlejuice, so beatle Juice, be
too Juice, beetle Juice.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
I thought it was a catching, little, fun, fun day
to do. We had.

Speaker 6 (04:50):
We had fun makeup on but as soon as Harley
came downstairs that it was a wrap.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
We had to take our bank up.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
She was screaming and I'm like, oh man, So we
took like one picture and then we went to your
gr But I did was able to continue my tradition
that I have done for the last like I don't
know at this point, like thirty years is I watched
Halloween one and Halloween two on Halloween Night nice, and
I always do. On October thirtieth, I watch Halloween three.
So I do Halloween three October thirtieth, and then Halloween

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and Halloween two October thirty first. I always like to
have that as a tradition, and once Harley's watching Horror
with me, I will continue that tradition with her.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Five is whatever, But I do like four a lot.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
We talked about four on your show. I remember last
year that was fun.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, So four I like a lot. H two O.

Speaker 6 (05:38):
You know, I like it. It's just you know, it's
Kevin Williamson like it. I like it a lot more
when I watched it this year. I do watch it
every year during the season. I got over to Kevin
Williamson ghostwriting out of it all because it does feel
a lot like Scream.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
It's totally the same family, which is.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
Why and Their Resurrection is probably my most hated movie
of all time, so like it's it's I love the
franchise so much, even though like I have a complicated
relationship with it.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Eight Resurrection, we just sort of it's just a terrible
bad dream or something, right, But you know, I have
on with it because.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
I went to a kind of I guess they would say,
a morghetto high school, and we're really excited about Buster
or Eyes.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, we're here not to talk about Halloween. That was
just a little fun tangent. But Freddie, please don't get mad.
We still love you. We're going to focus on you
now now, boys, real quick, I want to ask you
because Clark, you know, Dave and Clark you don't know
each other. You're meeting here on this show, which is
always so fun. Dave you run the Cinematic Reel, You're
a podcaster. You love eighties horror. I know you've had

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Chopp Talk. You've also been on the show talking to
me about Poltergeist. So this is so up your Alley Clark.
You are a horror graphic designer, creative, amazing. I love
your art, and you have written an amazing, really fun
Nightmare and elm Street like fan fiction script feature film
that I love.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Which do you want to do?

Speaker 1 (07:03):
You want to tell everyone real quick what you're working on?
Or should we keep that quiet because you're doing some
really cool art related to that story. Do you want
to do you want to spend on mine?

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Yeah? Yeah, Basically I think it was like twenty eighteen.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
I wrote a script to continue the Elmtree franchise from
one to six and then it would be present day.
So basically, I hate when people take away movies, when
they try to like say, oh, this part didn't exist.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
I'm like, no, I want them all to exist. You
getting dead, You're gonna.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Lie in it.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
So I'm working on a comic series of that now.
It's gonna take me probably an entire year because they
don't have much time to work on it. But I
will release probably like every month and a half what
I get done, and I'm excited about it.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
I think it's a fun story.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
I get to bring back some cool people get to
I don't know, like basically they made it. I had
Robert England in mine for like the first movie, and
then like his voice over for the second, and then
a new person for the third. That kind of takes
silver but has been included in all so you are
kind of used to it.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Interesting. That's great, and your artist so great, and you've
posted some amazing Nightmare art. So yeah, everybody be on
the lookout on Clark's Insta. I'll tag you and you know,
put it in the show notes and everything to look
out for that. And then now, Dave, I'm gonna throw
it over to you for a second. When did you
first see a Nightmare on Elm Street? Do you remember?

(08:26):
Do you have any memories like your first viewing at home?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
That's a good question.

Speaker 6 (08:30):
Actually I do remember. So the first time was in
nineteen ninety nine, so I was about twelve years old
and km Art had re released the Nightmare in Elm
Streets on VHS okay, and they had released them in
this cool like you have to buy them individually, and
it formed like Freddy's like whole body and arms.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Wow, I don't think.

Speaker 6 (08:55):
That's before and I think that was before that they
like studios would actually released the complete boxes together. So
it was like a fun adventure trying to find them together.
And that actually was the first time I saw it,
and I kind of just ran through the entire franchise.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I've loved this since the first time I saw it
back then.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
It's my outside of Halloween cycle and the Shining, It's
my fourth favorite horror movie of all time. It's a
very it's a very interesting entry to West Craven because
when I went backwards on West Craven, I'm like, whoa,
I agree, I.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Have that same journey.

Speaker 6 (09:33):
I particularly like a lot of what he does, but
some of the earlier stuff I'm like, probably never messing with,
like Last House on the Left, like ever again. But
I think this movie is so there's such a griminess
to it that some when as the franchise gets mtved
up as we as a it kind of loses that steam.

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But I do think this movie is phenomenal, has some
of the best practical effects of the eighties, with oh
my gland with Tina, and I mean you have literally
have a scary presence as your villain, and I think
that's what makes this franchise most the most interesting of
the bunch, because your antagonists can actually clap back and
talk back as opposed to Michael and Freddy. There's really

(10:18):
nothing there. I mean, we're we're we're getting back to
that silent but deadly with Art the clown. But still
I think there's still personality to him. But that's another conversation.
But yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Mean it's been since ninety nine.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
I've loved it, and it's anytime making sure with friends
that haven't seen it, you know, I always like to
get their reaction to y Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
And how about you, Clark, what was your first memory
of seeing any of these? Did you start at the
beginning did you start later on? What do you remember
as like a kid finding Freddy?

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Well, my very.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
First memory of it, obviously, I was in kindergarten and
I came into the room and saw like the part
where Tina is in the body bag and getting dragged away,
and I'm like, what is going on on this day?

Speaker 5 (11:02):
Yep, But I didn't watch the full movie. I still
feel like I was a little too young.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
I want to say it was probably another couple of
years and I got to Part three and that was
my very first one that I could legit remember, and
then I kind of circle through them all.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yep, totally yeah, because at this time, you know, we
had these major horror franchises, and it's always funny to
kind of hear everyone's journey through them because I feel like,
rarely did we start with the first movie, you know,
Like I have a friend that I think started with
like Scream three. I'm like, oh god, you right. I'm like, oh, okay,
you know, well, in a way, it's kind of great

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for that motive, you know, like, Okay, sure it kind
of goes back, but but yeah, so I my introduction
to Freddy, I was young, like you Clark, Like I
was Freddy for Halloween when I was six years old,
And there are pictures that I'll post and I remember
this isn't just like oh yeah, I remember my dad
telling me this, Like I remember the tension going to

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the neighbor's houses on Halloween night and the neighbor and
walking with like my parents and the neighbors were like
pissed at my parents from having me dress up as Freddy.
They're like, you really let your son wear that? Like
it was so awkward. I'm like, what's the big deal?
I loved Freddy, so I watched the first one way
too young. I must have been five or six, and
my dad was a big Freddie fan. I'll probably have

(12:24):
him record a little message and put it in this episode.
But yeah, I actually think I started, yeah with the
first one, and I do remember the third, like watching
that pretty early and then jumping around a little bit.
And Dave, you bring up a great point. As the
entries went on, there definitely was an mtvfication and Freddy
got funnier and you know, the colors were popping, and

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it was a little bit more like, yeah, like badass,
you know, whereas the first two are and three, But like,
the first two for me are actually really quite scary
and dark and disturbing.

Speaker 6 (12:59):
Right, I do think two it's probably the scariest Freddy
looks in the entire franchise.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Agreed, Yeah, agreed, I know too, And we'll talk about
the franchise later on everybody because we have thoughts. But
I completely agree too. Is spooky because, as you guys know,
but maybe some listeners don't. I guess there was like
a dispute with like paying Robert England enough to come back.
So for some of those shots of Freddy, it's not

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even him. It's like just to stand in. So that's
why they couldn't, you know, really have him do much
in some of those those takes, you know, so it
actually adds this like eerequality to it. You know. But
speaking of Clark's fan fiction, I might you know, you
guys might remember, and listeners might remember. I've made a
few horror fan film scream, I know what you did

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last Senmer. I might make a Nightmare on Elm Street sequel,
And I know there's that very popular fan film, Dylan's
New Nightmare, which was pretty good. I want to do
a meta real world sequel to New Nightmare, which I love.
And again we'll talk about all the sequels later, but
I think it could be really interesting to have another

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real world, modern day you know, where the characters are
talking about the fortieth anniversary of Nightmare Elm Street, and
there's talk in the news of a new Freddy who's
going to play a new Freddy, And there's like demonic
Freddy like taking over someone. I don't know. We'll see,
we'll see, but just throwing that out there. We'll be
right back.

Speaker 7 (14:30):
The kids of Elm Street. I don't know it yet,
but something is coming to get them.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
There's something out.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
There, isn't there.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Let me set the scene, boys, and then we're going
to nerd out about this original classic horror movie that
we love so much.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
So this is what was.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Going on in November nineteen eighty four, everybody forty years ago. Sadly,
I know it's not the nicest time right now for
many of us who you know, voted for someone else.
But yeah, there was a a nineteen eighty four election
that happened just days before this movie came out, and
Reagan was re elected. He was the obviously Republican president

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of the US, So just letting everyone know it was
a very republican time then as well. On the movie side,
this came out the same day as Silent Night, Deadly Night,
which I'm sure you guys have seen. What do you
think of that classic? Another killer billy Christmas movie like
Black Christmas?

Speaker 6 (15:26):
Right, So I like the first one quite a bit.
Diving into that franchise last year was the Sorry to
curse the fucking Adventure of the twenty twenty three. When
you get to Silent Night, Deadly Night, Part five, I
don't even like it's called Friday Night, Silent Night, Deadly

(15:46):
Night Part five, The Toymaker with Mickey with Mickey Rooney
and man, I can't even describe it. There is some
wild stuff that goes on in that movie.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
I believe it too scared. I think I I finished
the first two. I don't know if I ever did three, four, five.
I definitely didn't get to five. Have you watched them?

Speaker 5 (16:07):
Clark was former Clint Howard?

Speaker 1 (16:10):
I think so, yes, Three is with Bill Moseley, and
I think for Howard. So did you make it to
Clint Howard? Okay, that's so funny? Yeah, yeah, the first
one is pretty fun, you know, but yeah, it's just funny.
How Like I feel like, how many killers are there
named Billy? Like that's a whole episode in itself is
just to talk about all right exactly? I know, I know.

(16:33):
So yeah. This came out the same day as Silent Night,
Deadly Night. Now Everybody a Nightmare on Elm Street. This
original film came out limited November ninth, but then expanded
November sixteenth. But it's funny comparing these two slashers, Silent
Night Deadly Night was the one making more money and
in way more theaters than a Nightmre on Elm Street,
because even when it expanded wide, it was only in

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like I think I saw like two hundred and seventy
five theaters. But I just learned this the other day
when I was just doing some research. Silent Night, Deadly
Knight was pulled from theaters only after two weeks because
parents were complaining so much, even though there was already
Black Christmas and I'm sure other Christmas horror movies i
think there was Christmas Evil already out, but parents were

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complaining so much about Silent Night, Deadly Knight and how
why is Santa carrying an axe and killing People's awful?
And so it was pulled from theaters. So it could
have made more money, but it was pulled and then
kind of hidden for a little bit and didn't, you know,
really make much money back until later on.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
So did you see did you see they were making
it Saturn Night that night?

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Are they remaking it?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah? The Terrifier team is making remaking it.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Interesting, Okay, all right, I don't know if it's gonna Oh,
it's gonna be gross. Have you guys seen I've only
seen Terrifier one and two. I know the third one
is Christmas? Is it? Is it any good? I'm gonna
ask you, is it any good?

Speaker 6 (17:57):
I liked it quite a bit, but I'm into all
that schlock. This one actually does have an actual.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Like story story. Yeah, it kind of does focus a
lot on.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
Sienna's like ptsd uh Survivor's Guild, So it actually does
have a story that I kind of vibe with.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I watch it.

Speaker 6 (18:18):
My review was out and I Jenny wanted to see it,
so I'm like, all right, let's go.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
So I see it. Wow, yeah, and we I mean
they they go ham on kids in this movie, and
I like it.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
It's pretty pretty insane, insane what they do.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Okay, have you seen it too, Clark?

Speaker 5 (18:40):
I did? You know?

Speaker 4 (18:41):
And It's like, I don't know. I I appreciate the movies.
I like watching the movie because I like the character of.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
Art the clown.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yeah, first one to meet didn't have enough story. Second
have too much story to me. This one had a
decent story. The only person I didn't really care for
is when it was just so open, like the all
scenes with all the kids and stuff like that, because
I'm just like, I like him when he's more sinister
and kind of more contained.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
I love the original like when they were indie shorts
like the short Terrifier. If you haven't seen it, it's
online and it's all yes, yeah, you guys might have
seen that. Yeah, I'm pretty sure all Hollowsy combines all
the art the clown shorts. But yeah, friend from acting
class years ago in New York was in the Terrifier short,

(19:27):
which is like at the gas Station, which I love.
So I still think those are like the best art
the clown like you know stories. But yeah, I'll check
it out for sure. And I agree Dave, it's always
fun having a Christmas slasher because we haven't had a
good one in a while, so I hear you. But
so yeah, So that was Sound Night, Deadly Night. Other
popular films at this time in November nineteen eighty four,

(19:48):
The Terminator, of course, James Cameron's hit movie had just
come out in late October. Places in the Heart and
Ama Dais, which I still have not seen. I know
that's a classic, and I feel like Dave weren't. Didn't
you just post about it?

Speaker 6 (19:59):
I just just did a podcast, So the forty version
of Last Week Days perfect.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
There you go. Wait, and I have to say, Dave,
I'm surprised on your podcast Real Chronicles Everybody plug, I'm
surprised you have you I'm sure you've talked about Naymon
ELM Street for a past anniversary.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Right, we did it in September this year.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Oh okay, so you just okay, I.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Love we do too.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
Yeah, we usually do two months of horror, so from
September to October we do like as many anniversaries as possible.
There's so many, and we ended up missing a few.
So yeah, this was what I couldn't I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Miss absolutely, so yeah. So those were popular movies at
this time and popular songs. Just shouting out a couple
Caribbean Queen by Billy Ocean, wake Me Up before You
Go Go from Wham, and Purple Rain from Prince. Those
were the three top songs at this time. So I
thought that was funny. Now I'm gonna throw it over
to you guys. It's always fun when I have two
guests or more that kind of have to you know,

(20:53):
give me a little brief explanation of the movie. So
how about this, let's chop it up like just like
Freddie would. Let's have Clark you start us off. I
want to hear in your own words, and it can
be brief. What is a nightmare on Elm Street about?
So Clark, you can start us off, and about halfway
through throw it over to Dave, and Dave you can
take us home and finish, finish us out.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
Oh crap, I did not come prepare for this.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
You know it, You know it. I know anyone out
there on who lives under a rock who has no
idea what this is, shame on you.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
You know.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
Well, something is just not right in the town of Springwood.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
The teams are having bad dreams and they're just very
uber realistic, and there's a connection that they start realizing
that it's not just one person played by it. Numerous
people are seeing the same person within their dreams, and
at some point these dreams affect their reality.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
Some of the kids start dying.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, good, hold that thought. Okay, and Dave, you want
to so some kids start dying and take it away.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
So as these kids start dying, one of these kids
starts trying to research as to who this man that's
tormenting their dreams is and come to find out that
this man was murdered by the parents of Springwood, and
from there she needs to one stay awake to convince

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her nincom poop boyfriend to stay awake too, but he
can't do that job very well and hopefully take him down.
But in the process of that he really She realizes
that she has two alcoholic parents, especially her mother, who
basically says that she did everything to protect her.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Oh mother, I love how Nancy always called her mother
mother mother.

Speaker 6 (22:47):
Ultimately, the boyfriend that does not name Glenn, the boyfriend
that does not pay attention to Nancy's warnings, falls asleep
and gets sucked and eaten by a bed, which, unfortunately
I saw the director cut for this recent rewatch, hoping
that that scene that keeps that people kept talking about
that you actually see him come.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Out of the bed.

Speaker 6 (23:07):
Oh no or still no souned that, but AnyWho, to
make a long story short, Nancy takes him down and
the movie ends with one of the worst I don't
know dolls ever in movie history.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, yeah, but it's okay. I still kind of enjoy it.
It's all a dream.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
Wasn't this made though? Before?

Speaker 4 (23:29):
It was really a time of like pause and rewatching.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah. And I even noticed
on this latest rewatch when Nancy it's a little bit
later on, she she jumps off the spiral staircase in
the boiler room and then and then it's back into
reality and jumping into the rose bushes. I noticed this
time you can totally see this like safety thing that

(23:54):
she jumps into, like behind the rose bush. I'm like,
but exactly, Clark. They made it different time when we
weren't able to just rewind so easily, so I love
it all.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
You could just see cuts happening.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
What didn't they have the talent?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (24:11):
Is a corn I got to say it's in the
John Pukins since he saw it.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
When I was reading there, Wes Craven, you know, was
seeing all these killers wearing masks and using a knife
usually and he's like, all right, well, I want my
killer to like not just have a normal face. He's
got to have some sort of mask. But what if
it's a burn and it's scarred? And I think that's
just so brilliant. And then to have a glove, Like,
Freddy is so unique. We rarely get bad guys, not

(24:38):
even just in a franchise, but bad guys in a
horror movie that aren't in a mask, that aren't just
wearing a knife or a big machete. Like, what do
you guys think of Freddy? Where does he rank in
your in your favorite Slashers? Is he up there?

Speaker 7 (24:52):
Dave?

Speaker 6 (24:53):
Probably number I mean, my favorite franchise is Halloween, and
but I think Friday is number one. I think what's
stands out from this movie particularly is kind of what
you said. This movie doesn't try to rip off Halloween.
It tries to be sure, like Freddy's killing people off.
Apologies for the sirens in the backgrounds out there, but

(25:14):
the fact that this movie does try to be its
own thing. And I think Freddie itself just we talked
about the MTV ification of the movie, of these this franchise,
but even from the beginning, he always stood out as
his own, you know, absolutely meditating figure. So I think
that's what works so much for this film specifically.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, what about you, Clark, is Freddy? I feel like
Freddy's like your favorite, but I might be wrong. Who
is he? Where does he rank? In the Slashers for you.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
No, he's definitely my favorite.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
I'm as Craven kind of guy, So he's number one,
Screen's number two. I will say, though, I think even
people who say, do you prefer Jason, do you prefer
Michael whoever it may be, if you ask him like,
what's the most iconic weapon when it comes to a slasher,
They're going to say his glove.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, it's such a brutal creation. Like and it's so
funny because well, I met Wes Craven years ago when
I worked at Wendy Williams, and he was nice. But
like you always hear these stars say, oh he's the
nicest guy. He's so so how crazy. Wow, those sirens
are really going, Dave, some Freddy is coming for you.
One two Freddy's coming for you. Yeah. He seems like
this gentle giant of a of a creator, of a writer, director,

(26:24):
and he came up with some gnarly and like you
were saying, Dave, even before this in his films Last
House on the Left and all that, like and the
Hills Have Eyes and here comes this like pretty sick
and twisted vision and it works so well. It's actually
kind of funny how his later on with Scream, which
I love so much, it's like tame compared to what

(26:45):
he worked on before, you.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Know, Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 6 (26:49):
The interesting thing about Wes Craven, I'm I don't remember
a verbatim, but Robert Anglin was talking about on the
Nightmare in Elmtree, like the four hour never sleep again,
the four or four and a half hours.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
It's excellent, It's really good.

Speaker 6 (27:04):
How he when he first met Wes Craven, he looked
completely different than what his expectation was from like last
House and left.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
He hit this sky in like a.

Speaker 6 (27:12):
Polo and like slacks and this like like really posh director.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Nothing. Yeah, nothing to the expectation of what his movies
perceived of him.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Right, That's so funny.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
And when I met him years ago, he was coming
on Wendy randomly to this was back in twenty ten.
He was coming to promote my soul to take not
one of the best, right, And I brought my Scream
box set. Back then, it was just three movies and
my Nightmare DVD box set right here that I have,
and I brought it for him to sign. But I
was just way too Chicken. I could tell he like,

(27:49):
wasn't the most comfortable at that kind of show, and
I was. And I got permission from my boss and
I got like a sharpiet but I was like, I
feel weird and I'm kicking myself. I should have had
him sign it. But I still love my DVD box set.
And this is what I used. Do you guys have this?
Do you have it? Dave? I have the late nineties?

Speaker 6 (28:08):
No, So I went from that VHS when I mentioned before,
to just a blue ray set, But that set is
a much it's a much cleaner set.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I really like that one.

Speaker 6 (28:16):
And because the rights issues, we still haven't gotten a
four K set, which is I don't know if you guys,
I'm a big physical media collector. The issues with these
with Halloween, Front of Thirteenth and Nightmare and Elm Street
and getting actually physical media releases is a nightmare because
of the studio rights.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
It's pretty insane, right.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I know that is annoying. It's a bummer, but yeah, this,
I'm glad I have this. And it's so funny because
I rewatched the film today with the commentary on, and
the commentary guys, it's so funny. I think they recorded
it before West made Scream. There is no mention whatsoever
of Scream. It's that old. And I must have been
I think in ninety five because he says, yeah, I

(28:58):
just made Vampire in Brooklyn and it still sounds so good.
And they were making the commentary originally for later disc.
I'm like, wow, this is dated, but it sounded great
and they have great things to say, and I'll share
some cool stuff that they said later on.

Speaker 7 (29:16):
From West Craven, director of the Hills Have Eyes and
Last House on the Left, a new masterpiece in Fantasy Terra.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Obviously, we've already talked about Wes Craven. We love him
so much. What a genius writer director. He had written
and directed The Hills Have Eyes Part two and swamp
Thing right up leading up to this, right before this,
I still have never seen swamp Thing. Have you guys
seen it?

Speaker 8 (29:41):
I have?

Speaker 5 (29:44):
You know?

Speaker 1 (29:44):
I actually kind of liked that swamp Thing TV show,
short lived from like five years ago. If you guys
check that out. That was actually pretty good. But then
it got canceled and it was on some streamer that
doesn't even exist anymore. I don't even know anyway, DC
something like that right, Yeah, it doesn't even exist. Yeah,
but it actually was pretty good. But yeah, so he
made Swamp Thing The Hells of Ice part two leading

(30:06):
up to Nightmare. Robert England an amazing actor that I guess,
what do you think, guys? It seems like he will
never be Freddie again. He's I think stated it. He's
just too old. He doesn't want to do the makeup, right,
I've just seen the Goldbergs.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
I'm kind of cool with him retiring from him.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
I know that's Yeah.

Speaker 6 (30:25):
He goes to this horror convention I go to often
called monster Mania, and yeah, every time he goes, they
always ask him the same question and yeah, he's done.
He's like, I like, I'm old, Like there's nothing, Yeah,
there's there's nothing, nothing left for me to do there.

(30:45):
And with the remake, I this is like the franchise
that I don't think should ever come back because I
don't think there's someone that could replace him. This is
the problem, and this is the problem with Freddy. This
is like Michael and Freddy and Michael and Jason put
a mask and you're good to go.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Oh yeah it could be anyway.

Speaker 6 (31:02):
But with this, with Freddy, it's such Robert England is
so tied to this that it's if they do do this,
which I'm sure they will eventually, it's just going to
be interesting who they get, because you need I hate
the remake, Like, yeah, I just don't think he was
very good, but that's all more credit to Robert England.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Totally. Yeah, you know, the remake is rough. I don't hate.
I actually was watching it when I was on TV
a couple of weeks ago for Halloween, and I kind
of wanted to keep watching it. I think the beginning
is strong. What's hard? And I want to ask you
guys now, because I was reading online, you guys probably
knew this. Wes Craven Originally, I guess was going to

(31:43):
make Freddy a child molester. That was going to be
the truth, but then decided not to lean that way
and just make him sort of just the ultimate boogeyman
for kids wanting to kill kids, you know, and then
like like what we were saying, parents you know, killed him,
and now he's out for revenge by killing those parents' kids. Right,

(32:05):
that's it. But I think what makes the remake so
rough is that they lean into the molestation aspect and
that kind of sucks the fun out of this horror movie.
For me, that's when I'm like, oh god, that's so bleak.
Like you know, I know it sounds weird, but I
kind of want like Freddy's kind of fun, So like,

(32:25):
that's definitely not fun anymore. Was that a turnoff for
you guys too when you saw the remake or were
you like already kind of done with it by the
time that was like sort of revealed in the movie.
What do you think Clark with that whole molester angle.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
So I'm one of the very few actually loved the remake.
I thought, oh the.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Wow five times wow. Okay, you are a Freddy fan.
I love it.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
I see the grievances, trust me, I'm not oblivious to
it all. I think the worst part of the movie
was basically the the remake shots that they did were
worse than the original movie because of the CGI was
just way too have right. The makeup for Freddy was
just terrible. Unfortunately, I don't think he did a bad
job the actor. I think he was decent. People complain

(33:10):
about Rooney Mara a lot, saying how she wasn't a
fan of the movie and kind of shit talked it,
but I'm just like, she was still professional, she still
did what she they asked of her. So you just
didn't like the charactersation of Nancy being more emo compared
to the fighter, who's more spunky.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, I think it was a risk to because no
one else I believe in that friend group in the
remake was named after an original character, So I think
they should have just not even named her Nancy. I
think that would have been better for everyone, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Well, the first the other girl was, but they just
did Chris Tina Christina.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Oh, yes, there you go. Yeah, because Tina is a
pretty dated name, right dated nickname. Yeah. No, I I
think it's fine that you like the movie. I didn't
hate it, but it's not a remake. I don't put
it up there with like the text Chainsaw remaker, We've
had better or the Hills Have Eyes remake. You know
we've had better, for sure. But my husband loves it too,

(34:11):
so you're not alone.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
I was just upset that they didn't go with it
further because they made the money. It didn't get critically acclaimed,
but they made their box office money, right, and they
had the actors locked in for two more movies, I believe.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Oh and I was.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Really hoping the next one would have been a Dream
Warriors esque like Her in the Asylum, just straight to that, you.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Ooh, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, it is interesting, because you're
right it was a hit. But I guess they just
heard that feedback and just stopped. Yeah, what about you,
Dave with that with the remake going the molester route?
Was that blasphemy?

Speaker 6 (34:47):
I mean, so I agree with you, Like I said,
it's very weird to say, like, I like Freddy fun,
but I also think in twenty ten, I kind of
was just like, oh my god, these I'm done with
the horror remakes, Like.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
And I was.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
Ironically, I was talking about it with one of my
critics groups today. We were actually talking about horror remakes
and how they basically dominated the odds and this was
this was one of the last ones, and for me,
like I felt like I was just watching a pilot
for the c w mmmmm hmm.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
And listen, I'm not saying like Johnny Depp's a beautiful,
beautiful man, Heather Lankcamp gorgeous, and Amanda Wies gorgeous, But
I think these were these It was just too beautified
in a way for all these characters. And again, I
like some of these horror remakes. Like you said, Texas Chainsaw,

(35:43):
I love Texas Chainsaw. But I also had the stink
I had the distinct from the Halloween remake because I
hate I I like hate that movie.

Speaker 8 (35:53):
And then and then and then the front end of
the said oh yeah, and then the Right at Thirteenth
one was the one that I thought I was gonna
be back in because the first twenty five minutes of
that Friday at Thirteenth remake are fall numinal and then
the movie just completely just falls off. And then so
we got to hear and I'm just like, all right,

(36:13):
just put just put a fork in it just right.
And ironically, three years later we get one of the
best ones with Evil Dead.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
I just love Yeah, that's a great one.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
What was I gonna say about Rooney Marra. Oh yeah,
I was watching a clip the other day from a
while This was from a while ago. I just never
saw it where Robert England was interviewed, probably at one
of the cons, asking his thoughts on why the Nightmare
remake is maybe not the most beloved and he had
a really interesting point that you never really see that
group of friends before Freddy takes over. Like from the

(36:47):
get go, Rooney, everyone's pretty moody, right, And it's understandable
because like Kellen Lutz dies in the beginning, so right
off the bat, you know. But like whereas in the
original Nightmare, even though we start with Tina's awful Nightmare,
we're still seeing them laugh or seeing them like I
love the Radio with Johnny Depp, Like talking to was
like so funny, so goofy. So we're seeing them relatable,

(37:11):
goofing off, like we're falling in love with them, and
now it's now it's time for each one of them
to get you know, plucked off. So we don't really
see any smiles or any fun in the remake, which
is tough, and that again goes back to we kind
of need to see a little bit of fun Freddy
fun Freddie victims, you know. So it's kind of bleak,
but yeah, there are moments I'm okay with and Connie Britton,

(37:33):
how funny that was like before she was like the
Connie Britton that was like right before she like I
feel like, really took off, you know. But yeah, I
wanted to just get your thoughts because the whole child
molester thing I always appreciated in the original movies that like,
it's sort of hinted that, but it's not really. Yeah
the subtext, and I personally have always liked it. You decide, like,

(37:55):
we're not really sure either way. He was a you know,
the parents thought he was bad, and that's the ultimate issue,
you know, but for that movie to kind of make
the decision, it's sort of just like sucked the air
out of the room or something. For me.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
We saw the deleted scene though right where basically originally
too they were all supposed to have siblings that were
killed by Freddy.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Oh, I did hear that, right? I don't think I So,
is there a deleted scene like explaining that, like in
what like photos or something?

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Uh? No, I think Margine's actually telling it to her
when she's down there at the room and she said,
like you had like a sister or brother.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
I can't remember which one.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Interesting, Okay, I did remember hearing that, all right, Yeah,
that's interesting sort of I don't know that's a little talkie,
but I know Mom has some good talkie revelations in
this original as well, which I do love.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Did they put them away?

Speaker 3 (38:43):
All the lawyers got fat and the judge got famous,
but somebody forgot to sign a search ward in the
right place and Krueger was free just like that.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
What did you do? Mother?

Speaker 1 (38:54):
I want to hear what makes you guys love this movie?
What are the visuals, the scenes, the life, the characters like?
What to you is a nightmare on Elm Street. So
we can bounce back and forth, Dave, you want to
start us off. What's a moment or a scene that
is just iconic nightmare for you?

Speaker 6 (39:13):
So I'll stay away from the depths for now, and
I'm okay, I'm sure we'll get to that. But yeah,
specific scene for me is early on, and the cinematography
in that scene is phenomenal where Nancy sleeping and Freddy
hovers over her with the claws. It's such a perfect
shot and I mean it's still used in their promos
for this movie to this day forty years later. So

(39:34):
that's one of the moments in the beginning of the
movie that really sticks with me.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Absolutely. It's beautiful and I've seen this so many times,
but I really realized on this latest rewatch, what really
sells it obviously is like the light that they have hiding,
like I guess it's like kind of behind her head
to really it's like that creepy, bluish, ghoulish light. Man,
it's an awesome scene and it's so smart that they

(39:59):
all only really do that effect one other time, when
he's rising from the bed, which is always scary. That
always terrified me. Oh my goodness, it's like oils are
getting on the sheets. It's a really spandex you know,
but and ripping it. Yeah, what do you make of
that awesome wall scene? Clark? Did that also really like

(40:20):
hook you when you saw it?

Speaker 5 (40:21):
Oh for sure?

Speaker 4 (40:22):
And I think that's what made the twenty ten more
of a disappointment when you're just like watching in comparison,
you're just like, this is crap compared to like how
beautifully shot that one was.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, practical, absolutely, Yeah. I just remember the remake has
like such a watery cgi thing and it's like, you know,
that's not real, whereas this, you know, it's not a wall,
of course, but it's something, and it's that fine layer
that he just has to rip through it and grab her, right,
and also the whole crucifix thing. How first that cross

(40:51):
falls on Nancy's head, poor girl, right, and that's like
the warning, you know. And then when she's holding onto
it and then he's there and then she puts it
back up on the wall and knocks. Like my young brain,
I was like, whoa, how the hell did they make
this movie? So I'm glad you're bringing that up date.
What an iconic, short but super impactful moment. Right, what

(41:14):
about you, Clark, I'll jump over to you.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
So what I really love about this movie in general
is just like the how it plays with your mind.
When it goes into the dream sequences, things just don't
seem right basically. So I will say, like the part
where she sees Tina and the body bag in the school,
Like there's parts where there's like leaves blowing, the guy's
talking in a really low mumble, stuff like that. It's
just like it's all jarring in a sense, and you're

(41:38):
just like, why are you falling this person?

Speaker 5 (41:40):
But it's dream. So that's what you do in your dreams.
You continue with it, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, absolutely, I love that sequence too, and Tina and
that bloody body bag whispering, and that's where we get
I've always been so disturbed and confused by that woman
in the red and green sweater with pigtail. Right, I
guess it's another student, right.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
It's so spooky, and it's also just kind of jarring
because Nancy barely reacts to that moment. She's just kind
of like weird, you know, but it's because it's all
in a dream. But yeah, where's your pass? And then
she turns into fred That's the first time we kind
of see, if I remember correctly, that's the first time
we see someone else with Freddy's voice, how he can

(42:26):
kind of take over someone else. Oh, brilliant. And then
that leads us to I'll jump in. One of my
favorite moments is when Nancy herself gets a great look
at Freddy. Right after that, she now is entering this
boiler room, and it's so funny. I just remember today
rewatching this. I think this started my love and obsession

(42:49):
and interest of running through tiny spaces, because when I
was a kid, I was always like, oh man, I'm
gonna run through this thing and like make like little
like whatever, like cardboard boxes. I think it's because nance
he's like running through the little catwalks and it's real tight,
just a weird, nerdy fun fact about me. But I
love when she meets them.

Speaker 6 (43:07):
Yeah, I thought, you know, I thought you were going
to say this is what started your fascination with the
boiler rooms.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I was like, oh, okay, Oh no.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
I mean that would be pretty weird if like, yeah,
I just like hang out, you know, I like the heat.
I like to be warm by the boiler room. Not that,
but just running through like little tiny things and like
getting out and I don't know, I just love. I mean,
and I heard that the boiler room location was a
condemned jail that they shot, I guess, and it's all
in like the LA area, it's all throughout LA. But

(43:34):
I just thought that was really fascinating, where like Wes
says on the commentary, like there was like asbestos and
like all sorts of diseases and illnesses that they were
just probably breathing in and you know, pretty scary stuff.
But it was a real condemned jail. But no, I
just love when she sees Freddy. He emerges, he cuts
his chest and those maggots fall out and she has

(43:56):
to burn her arm to wake up. That's when that's all.
So when we realize who he is. He says his name,
come to Freddy, and then does his little tongue thing,
which then we we'll talk about later that comes back.
That's really the first time we are putting a name
on this guy, you know. And then she wakes up
screaming and Lynn Shay is her teacher, a horror icon

(44:18):
in her own right, right, So I love that whole
sequence too.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
You're gonna kill me for sure?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Did he do it? There was somebody else there.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
He was locked in a room with a girl who
went in alive and came out in a rubber bag.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Tina's death is an all timer.

Speaker 6 (44:37):
Just seeing I mean, seeing it on VHS in ninety
nine was one thing, but then actually seeing how they
made and created that scene is one of the most
impressive scenes in any horror movie of all time.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
It's just incredible, and it kind of just.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Hating room, right. It was like a set and they
just have a constantly spinning right.

Speaker 6 (44:56):
And interesting thing is you kind of see the others,
the like Nancy and Glenn's perspective that Rod actually did
do this, because you know, at that point there have
obviously they've already talked about the guy in the red
and green sweater, but they also still think that it's
just a dream, that this is not reality. So they

(45:18):
have that moment where you can when they first open
the door and they just see like Tina dead, you
can see in their face that like, did our friend
actually just do this?

Speaker 2 (45:27):
So I love that Wes is.

Speaker 6 (45:28):
Kind of with that scene, he's playing with reality versus dream.
And now this person's closest friends are now questioning is
this guy or murderer now? So obviously they dive into
it more a little later in the movie, but that
I think that's the first realization for me that this
isn't this isn't just a normal slasher movie, that there's
actually more depth to it. So so that that scene

(45:51):
with that moment kind of always stuck with me as well.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Definitely, I totally agree there's always like a logical either
reason or undertone to things that would make Nancy and
anyone feel crazy, you know for thinking something else right,
And also like how they're having sex earlier, so like, okay,
did things get really out of hand? Like what the hell?

Speaker 3 (46:14):
You know?

Speaker 1 (46:15):
So, yeah, they set up really good lead up to
these deaths. You know, later on when Rod dies, which
is another great moment with the with the blanket that
apparently they filmed. They like edited it, edited it in reverse.
They just kind of reverse the clip. But like, yeah,
I mean he could have committed suicide in his cell

(46:36):
because he did kill Tina, you know, like there's all
other reasons for it.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Well, I will agree with you, guys, And basically it
wasn't until Glenn where you're just like, you can't really
reason with this one. This one's weird, you know, but
the other ones definitely there was like I'm sure Glenn
probably thought that he did kill himself because he killed her.
I mean, you see Rod in the beginning with a
little was it like a garden?

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yes, he's doing the screeching with a yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
So there's plenty of things he could have done.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
You know, he's a bad boy.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
I think they did it in Poulter guys, first with
the rotating room.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
I think you're right, am I are we right? Dave?
You would know you were on with with me for
Polter guys. I'm pretty sure they did that because doesn't
Joe Beth Williams she's on the ceiling right.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you're right.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
But they and just one up to one hundred with
her floating around, And do you guys like it better
the way they did it, because originally, apparently you're supposed
to get interjections like in West Cremins New Nightmare where
you see him on the roof with her and all
this kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
You know, I prefer this.

Speaker 9 (47:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
I love that amazing hospital scene a New Nightmare that
is truly so freaking scary, But I know this works
so well. I mean, I love that gnarly shot of
her getting slashed and the blood just pouring out, and
we don't see the clause, like we're seeing that from
from yeah, from Rod's perspective where it's just her. That's

(48:02):
so insane.

Speaker 6 (48:03):
And I think most importantly, it kind of would break
the logic, the dream logic, because Rod's awake, so he's
not supposed to be seeing Freddie anyway. So that kind
of works that Tina that he just sees Tina getting
slice and dice, but he doesn't see who's doing it.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, that's true. Because she's the first death.
This is establishing that only she, because she's sleeping, can
actually see Freddy. Anyone who's awake just sees this body
going all over the place going crazy. Yeah that's a
good point. Call me crazy. But I never really noticed
this until this latest rewatch. But Tina's blonde hair is

(48:40):
so Drew Barrymore in Scream, And there's a moment that
I always did catch, but now I'm just realizing the connection.
Like there are some really good, obviously moments and looks
and visuals pulled from this for Scream, you know, Glenn
coming up through the window, all that stuff, but or
before her death, you know, when they're all at the

(49:01):
house and Rod, like you said, Clark surprises with the
garden tool. He puts his hand on her mouth, and
I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That is totally an
iconic shot from Wes's later movie. So just funny how
when you look back, you're like, oh my god, I'm
seeing the inspiration for that. You know, really cool stuff.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Wes does, like reusing a lot of his stuff. Because
have you ever seen Deadly Blessing?

Speaker 5 (49:27):
Wish this one?

Speaker 1 (49:28):
I haven't. That's the one with Sharon Stone, right, I
still have not seen it.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
And that's basically where the whole like tub scene with
the claw, like they just use a snake instead, and.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
I did hear that, Yeah, that that was already used before.
So yeah, I do kind of love that he reuses things.
And then of course he's reusing some things for like
New Nightmare, you know, so keeping it even within the franchise,
you know, which is really clever and smart. Yeah. I
really do need to see Deadly Blessing. It was a
TV movie, am I right?

Speaker 4 (49:55):
I want to be surprised using a whole bunch of those,
like with Summer of Fear.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, I need to watch those. Those are the craven
movies I haven't seen yet.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
He's got just before her death whenever he's in the
alleyway with her.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
I'm not a big.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Huge fan of the execution of the stretched armstrong arms.
I mean, it's still cool, but it was the part
whenever he jumps out behind a tree and it's like
all of a sudden he's there and cuts off his
finger and it shows you kind of like how menacing
he actually is.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
Really enjoyed it.

Speaker 6 (50:32):
That scenes goes from menacing, like you said, because I
really love that scene also, but really funny when he
starts running because he looks so.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
He knows like he's never done Cardio ever in his life.
It's so hilarious.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
I thought it was a little person at first.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
To be hon it's a totally different body, Clark. I
always think that as well. I'm like, I think that
is either a little person or a very short and
stout person who I don't know what the story is there.
Maybe they didn't hire Robert yet, or but that's not him.
You can tell that's not his body, or if it
is like pad or something.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
I think it's so they could do the shot that way,
so that way he's running and all of a sudden
he's jumping.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
Out for him.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
That's true, yeah, because that's right, that's the same shot
where then he's there. So yeah, it has to be
like you know, a stand in or stunt double or something. Yeah,
so it is kind of funny because he's kind of
running like with like like pants full of something, like
you know what I mean, exactly right, he's giving me
like little Warwick Davis Leprechaun like kind of you know run.

(51:29):
But I do love that whole sequence where she well,
first of all, I never knew today I learned something new,
guys that when Tina post sex with hot Rod, she
goes to the window. She's hearing, like you know her name,
she's hearing noises. There's pebbles, you know, stones at the window.

(51:50):
I never knew that the one that hits the window.
Maybe you guys knew this, you probably did. It's a tooth.
I'm shocked. We never got a close up, but it's
a tooth that's thrown into her window and it's lodged
in there. Did you guys know that?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yeah, that one I did not know. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
That's like so sick and I'm like, oh my god,
imagine if we got the close up and then Tina
like really reacting, So that's amazing. And yeah, just her
going out that whole backyard and alleyway is so super spooky.
It's always spooked me out with the lighting and how
it's a little backyard and then now we're in this wet,

(52:26):
strange kind of alley and it's funny. On my California
trip that I just went to that I was just
on a couple of weeks ago. We stayed in Venice, California,
where that was all shot, and I even thought, I
was like, this does feel kind of nightmare because it's
like a little like you know, hippie a little ceed
in sections, and there were like alleys in between, like houses,

(52:48):
and I'm like, this is kind of creepy. So there
you go.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
Oh is that not normal where you guys are from?

Speaker 2 (52:52):
No, not at all.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Oh I see in California because I live in Vegasville,
which is probably a couple hours north.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
Like alleys everywhere.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Interesting? No, right, what about you, David Jersey.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
New York. Yeah, but not not not where I live
in New York.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah, but not like New York and Scream six where
it's like a huge alley like that.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Oh my god. So it's funny.

Speaker 6 (53:15):
I haven't recorded this podcast, but I'm doing a podcast
this week on Eyes Wide Shut.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
And why is.

Speaker 6 (53:20):
That movie's New York better than literally every horror movie?
Because I love I like, I like Scream six, but
that New York is pretty piss poor.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
And then it was a candle and then it's very obvious.

Speaker 6 (53:32):
Yeah, and in front of the thirteen, part eight, it's like,
it's those alleys are not I mean, I've been to
the alleys in New York, you know, walking trying to shortcut.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
It's not that at all. So yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Not really like that. So even in Bakersfield you kind
of have that set up with like Alley's connecting streets
and stuff. That's so interesting. No, that's that's a nightmare thing.
Oh my gosh. I love and I've always been just
enthralled by those mushy stairs. What a clever and creepy

(54:08):
situation where Nancy's running from Freddy. I always kind of forget.
He breaks her door window, that little window that mom
later is sucked through, and he's like wearing someone's face,
which is so twisted. Is it Tina's right, because we
just saw her standing there with the bugs coming out
of her mouth, which is disgusting, and apparently the real

(54:29):
millipede or whatever went loose on set and everyone was
like freaking out. That was funny to hear. But yeah,
he's wearing Tina's face, which maybe is a nod to
Texas Chainsaw. I don't know, but that's pretty messed up,
and Freddy doesn't really do that a lot in the franchise.
And then yes, she's running up the stairs, which we
know she never should do. Then those the amazing I

(54:51):
think it was oatmeal. That is just such a clever
and terrifying, like that is really a nightmare. You know
how many dreams have we all had where like we
can't run, our footstuck or whatever. Like that is genius filmmaking.
I just have to shout out, like that visual is
so stressful?

Speaker 5 (55:12):
What was it called?

Speaker 4 (55:15):
They also do like a little nod to it in
part three when Kristen's beginning dream.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yes, yes, yes, wow, and that whole thing where she's
like he's not real, he's not real, and then breaking
through the mirror and oh my god, just like iconic
Chase fighting with the two of them, she is. Can
we just quickly say Nancy is such a sick, amazing
final girl, badass. I love Nancy and I feel like
she doesn't get enough credit.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Do you guys agree this franchise has too? Because I
love Alice.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Alice. Clark loves Alice. Oh my gosh, Clark, you should
send Dave your script because he might really love it.
If you, I know, Dave is very busy, he might
not have time to read it all. But you know,
I won't say a thing, but yeah, Alice is great.
I loved them, Kristen. It's a shame that, but you know,
in a kind of fun way, this franchise did shockingly
kill some real fan favorites, which other franchises don't, you know,

(56:09):
But yeah, we get some good girls in this in
this franchise.

Speaker 6 (56:13):
Like they killed Kincaid in Part four because I love right.
It still has like one of the funniest moments in
the entire franchise when he like drops the car and
he was like, take that motherfucker my Still to this day,
it's so so funny. That's yeah, that's one of the
things I hated in Part four. I'm like, oh, man,

(56:35):
you killed the dream Warriers, Like just I understand why
he did it, but it's like, come on.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
It is a it's a bummer. It's like totally like
like like slamming on the brakes, like oh ship, you know,
because three is so strong? H Yeah, Why do you
guys think six is a whole new I didn't. They
didn't want to continue with anyone from five, like Alice.

Speaker 5 (56:59):
Right there sposed two Yeah, yeah, Jacob okay, and it's
just John Doe was Jacob basically.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Yeah interesting okay.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
If it wasn't for the remake, that'd be my I
hate that movie.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
That's one I'd sincerely like it.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
You got like, I just finished Dream Child, and like
I mentioned, I'm watching the VHS, so I'm running through
this franchise kind of back to back to back to back.
And then I get to five, I'm like, all right,
very interesting ideas. I really love the idea that he's
killing people through Jacob's dreams. That's really like a really
interesting idea.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
But he doesn't so long.

Speaker 6 (57:37):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's so it's such an interesting idea.
It doesn't fully work, but I do like a lot
of it. And then we get to six and you're
just like, wait, what, like where's Alice? Like why am
I here with this toolbox? That's like very uninteresting? And
when he dies, I don't don't even care. And then
we got like Lisa Zay here doing what like then
she's like his daughter, what like what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (57:58):
And then Roseanne and Tom Arnold, what.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Do we do?

Speaker 1 (58:01):
That cameo? And then Johnny Depp's cameo, Yah dad that
he did that, and that he didn't do New Nightmare
because Wes apparently you guys probably have heard this, Wes
was too nervous to ask him to come back for
New Nightmare because, of course, by ninety four, he was
already in What's Eating Gilbert Grape? I mean twenty one
Jump Street. He was huge, right, he was already huge,
And apparently Johnny Depp did say like long after I

(58:22):
guess the movie came out and was finished, like, oh,
I would have happily come back. That's a bummer because
it's like, oh, you came back for that one. But
I have to be honest, I do. I haven't seen
six and decades, so I'm not even gonna try. But
I always have kind of liked the strange father daughter stuff.

(58:42):
I thought it was interesting to explore Freddy as a dad,
like I don't know that that kind of worked for me.
But again, everyone, I haven't seen it in years, so.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
So I actually watched every single Nightmare in Ill Street
movie probably three times a year, including Oh my.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
God, and that's why you're here. That's why I had
to be my guess, of course.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
And I will tell you something that helps me watch
part six because I could appreciate it. I watch it
like a spoof movie, like a scary almost if you
watch it and don't take it seriously with the others
and think that they're just actually making it a comical joke.

Speaker 5 (59:14):
It's much easier to get through.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 6 (59:17):
I mean even down like and that's probably the next one.
The next time I watch, You're gonna have to do
it that way, because even down to Freddy's makeup, he
looks like it's so like plasticky.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
It's the worst makeup job.

Speaker 6 (59:28):
And he's not as I don't know if you agree, Clark,
he's not as funny in six, Like even like when
he's playing.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
The power Glove, he's like, oh, you're my high score.
I'm all right, I guess that's funny.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Not really.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
Five and six were really the low in terms of
Freddy and I actually really love part five. It's very
Gothics inspired. I like the story. I like where it
was all going.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
I don't like Freddy in it.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Hmm interesting, Okay, no one knows where.

Speaker 7 (59:58):
It came from. Oh who what is it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Mixt Hey Rewinders, I'm cutting in huh to pause my
conversation with Dave and Clark to let another Freddie fan
share his thoughts on a nightmare on Elm Street. And
that fan is the person who showed me this movie
at a very young age. My dad here he.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Is it's Christmas nineteen eighty four. My wife and I
want to go see a movie A Nightmare on Elm Street.
She has to see it because her boyfriend John Saxon
stars in the film. Everything with John Saxon, she had

(01:00:38):
to see. Okay, let's go see. It was great. The
screeching of his blades on the pipe, you can't beat it.
It was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Just a great.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Film, excellent makeup, a classic in every way, with sequels
that were just as good. By nineteen ninety one, my
son Mark J. Parker has to dress up like Freddy
Johnny Depp. It was his first film. You know, he
was a nobody then. I mean you look at him

(01:01:14):
and say that could he's a good looking kid, and
look he became great, miss me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
I think Freddy is scariest in seven. I love the
way he looks in seven and not everyone does, but
oh man, when he is truly like demonic, like devil
Freddy in the real world, he is terrifying. I love
that look and.

Speaker 6 (01:01:40):
Not just that was gonna say, Mark, not just the makeup.
I think his entire look like. I think he's to
me like Freddy in the form we know, like from
the original one to six.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
The scariest for me is two.

Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
But in the overall franchise, I think it's New Nightmare
because it's not just the makeup, it's like the entire look.
I love the trench co I love that the sweater
is a different shade of red and green as opposed
to the originals. Yeah, I agree with you on that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Does on that one, Yeah, I think it is. It
seems like it has a different texture, especially compared to
this first one, because it's brown and very like when
she holds it up when she's showing it to her mom,
like it's it's like very flimsy, whereas in New Nightmare
it seems to be more.

Speaker 6 (01:02:21):
Stir Yeah, it's a it's a pine green for Dora.
And he's also wearing leather pants.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
The leather pants. That's right, that's like Freddy's here in
the mid nineties. Bitch. Yeah, you know that's kind of funny,
but it works. He's so scary in that movie, Oh
my god, and the glove is just looking at it.
I always win, So I'm like, God, that looks it's like, yeah,
it's like it's like bones. I mean, it's like, oh,
I love that sequel so much, but we'll hold off

(01:02:49):
sequel talk for a few more minutes. Any other scenes
or moments from this original movie you guys wanted to
talk about that we haven't mentioned that are just iconic
for you that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
You Lovedayn Glenn, Glenn Glenn's death of course.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
So Glenn's there lying in his little crop top that
then Rose McGowan is wearing and screenway top by.

Speaker 6 (01:03:10):
The way crop top aside, if he's the starting quarterback
for the football team in spring with they must really suck.
He does not look like the most athletic quarter He
looks like a running back wide receiver. If he's your quarterback,
I question their win loss record. But football aside, Yeah,
he's just hanging in bed listening to music.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
TV on his crotch.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Yeah, who doesn't do that? I do it every night.

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
And then he just falls asleep and bye bye. He
gets sucked in by the bed and about fifteen seconds later,
the blood starts coming out, and it's just wow, I
love that scene so much.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
It's amazing. It's it's it feels like Wes Craven's response
to the blood in the elevator hallway and the shining
you know what I mean, Like it's like you saw
that blood, well, get ready for this, right, And I
always forget And apparently I was listening to the commentary,
like I was saying, So the spinning room that they
built it also, I guess, was sort of set in

(01:04:14):
a way where like it had to be balanced, and
so there was so like apparently like eighty gallons of blood.
You guys might know this since you're such fans, of course,
that it totally shifted the room. And that's why towards
the end of that bloody reveal where his mom is shocked,
you can see it's kind of starting to go sideways,
which creates this weird twisted effect right where the blood

(01:04:36):
is now not just straight up, it's like turning. So
I guess that's because that wasn't intentional. It was supposed
to be upright, but it started losing I guess equilibrium.
So happy accidents, Happy accident, Clark. Yeah, it's such a weird,
dreamy twisted thing. And then the blood through the through
the ceiling floor, yeah right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
And not a death scene I was doing.

Speaker 6 (01:04:59):
Sure if you guys are going to mention about adding
my notes, just a tub sequence again, it's just a
wide shot, just a wide shot, but it's just it's
an iconic shot as well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Yeah, and like Clark was saying, that tub scene was
taken from what was it, Deadly Blessing? Right, he west
just reused it. But oh my god, the blades and
also just just I mean, her legs are wide open,
she's naked. It's just like, you know, like when you
think of I go back to college in my like
horror class, which was the only class I paid attention,
and of course, you know he like learning about like

(01:05:30):
seventies horror and eighties and how like the knife and
the male killer is it's very phallic, it's a sexual assault.
That then my brain goes there with these blades coming
up only a little bit from from her you know,
special parts, you know, and it's just like, oh my god,
like that is so hold your breath.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Nancy, something wrong with you your imaginings night.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
Yeah, the street I do want to mention something that
kind of makes me laugh.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
It's a slow running because they haven't perfected it yet
by this point, so they're kind of like, eh, right,
But in comparison to what we were talking about earlier,
how we said, like in the remake that it was
no fun. They still have fun moments even after some
of the deaths, because I love the part whenever she
wakes up from her dream and she's like, I tell
you to do one thing and you fall asleep basically

(01:06:22):
just getting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Onto and she calls Glenn like dies, she say like
you shit or something like that, like she was just
so pitch I told you to do one thing, right. Yes,
she is so fiery. I love Nancy Heather Langa Camp.
I wish I wish we got to see her in
movies like Cursed, you know, which was obviously very cursed,
but I know she was supposed to be in that,
Like it would have been really fun to see her

(01:06:44):
in more horror movies that came out later that were
such hits, you know, with with Craven and everyone.

Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
I love the part where she's like, god, I look
like I'm twenty years old and she legit twenty years old.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Yeah. I love that. And also Clark we got to
talk about when they're on that iconic bridge and they're
having this kind of cute moment and one of you,
I have to let one of you say the line Clark,
do you want to say her line that she says
to Glenn.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
I'm into survival.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
I'm meant to survival like I love her well, like
I put I need that on a T shirt, Clark,
I need you to design well. Oh wait, fill us
in real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I was about to say, I need you to design
Nancy and Freddy and I want I'm into survival on it.
But what was going on? You want to tell us
real quick? What happened with your nightmare designs? You got
did new line like shut you down or something?

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
Yeah, I mean Warner Brothers is like notorious for like
looking for keywords and just finding your side and just
basically acting terrible. Yeah, so if you want it, I
could do it, but you got to get it like
right away, because within like a leak, he's going to
be gone.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
That is such a bummer because, like I was saying earlier,
and everyone's got to go to Clark's insta your designs
for this franchise. I loved so Dave it like to
paint a picture Clark picked like a lead character kind
of in a pose or holding something right Clark, and
then with Freddie and sort of like kind of hitting
each like kind of iconic prop or moment, like you know,

(01:08:11):
I remember like going back to his daughter in six,
like the three D glasses or what else? Oh yeah,
the power glove and like with three Freddy is the
Freddie Worm. You know, like you did such an awesome
job hitting those iconic Freddy's and his leading lady or
guy for two. You know, don't tell Warner Brothers anyone, please.

(01:08:34):
Oh I feel like a million books.

Speaker 7 (01:08:37):
They say you've bottomed up when you can't remember the
night before.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
One other thing, I just want to shout out that
I really do love. I don't think she's a great actress,
and I think it's pretty interesting. And on the commentary,
I don't want to say they were making fun of her,
but they did say, like, I feel like she kind
of was doing her own thing. Her hair is constantly changing.
But Ronnie Blakely, who plays oh yes, let's talk about
her for a second. I do absolutely love and this

(01:09:05):
is just why this movie just works in every way.
I love the Nancy Mom scenes.

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
I teach acting classes, and just last night I assigned
someone the scene where it's Nancy and Mom in the
kitchen where she says screw sleep, you know, big fight
in the kitchen, and I love how Nancy says that's enough.
You know, the role reversal, But I just love their fights.
I think I remember first seeing this and chills down

(01:09:34):
my spine when Mom pulls out the glove. Not only
does she know Fred Krueger and what happened to him,
but she has his glove. No wonder Nancy's being tormented
like all that stuff. Holy shit, that is so good. Now,
you know, maybe a different actress in some of those
scenes maybe could have been better, But I mean, she's

(01:09:55):
pretty good at being drunk. I think I hate when
she says luck like don't you just want to Oh
my god? I am so like Nancy where I just
want to scream mother, you know, and the bars on
the windows. But what do you guys think of Mom? Dave,
I'll start with you, what do you think of her
in this movie and everything she's giving?

Speaker 6 (01:10:14):
Uh it at least at least, I'll say this, at
least there are parents in this and this franchise as
opposed to Halloween and Friday at Thirteenth, because there's no
parents ever in any of these movies, except like in Halloween,
where Laurie's dad's like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Make sure you drop off the keys at the Myers
house online.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Yeah, uh huh.

Speaker 6 (01:10:35):
I come to find out that she was Oscar nominated
for Nashville.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
She was, she was in Nashville.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Yeah, I know, So what happened here?

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Yeah? And and Wes, I mean we've seen many West
movies and he directs people well, I mean, you get
good performances. So yeah, it's like, was she really drinking?
Like what was going on?

Speaker 6 (01:10:57):
And it's funny, Like, and I agree with you on
that because I think John Saxon's good in this, So
it's not a directing problem at all. I just think
it's a bad performance problem more than anything.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Apparently she always was having issues with her makeup, Like
she never felt comfortable with her makeup, so that's why. Also,
like she's kind of draggy, she's a little painted here
and there. It's like why, So I don't know, I
don't know what was going on, but she's not super consistent,
which honestly works well because she's a drunk, so it's fine.

(01:11:30):
But yeah, there are just moments where I'm like, why
are you like falling asleep in the middle of this line?
And I feel like you would have just delivered this differently.
What do you make of her, Clark, Do you do
you love what she's giving or could it have been better?

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
I mean, it definitely could have been better.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
But I just try to view it as like she's
a woman, she's drinking, she's in denial.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
First of all, she sees what's going on her daughter.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
She knows what's going on her daughter, but she doesn't
want to come to terms of what she did in
the past. You know, she doesn't want to open this
can of worms. So she's doing everything in her power
to be like, no, it has to be something else,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:06):
I think it's making her a little bit baddy. I think, oh, yeah,
a little crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
And her death, Wow, that is it's a it's you know,
a little eighties goofy with the whole like skeleton in
the bed thing. But I love it. And it's so
again it's a little it's like a little sexual with
burning Freddy on top of her. And I think it's
so interesting how he comes for the mom. I think

(01:12:31):
that makes a lot of sense for him. Mom was
one of the people who killed him. She has his gloves,
so it sort of feels like she was the ringleader, man, right,
So I always kind of forget about that that it's like,
oh yeah, it's not just Nancy. He wants to come
from Mom. Like whoa. That's heavy and twisted there. And

(01:12:52):
how Also it's kind of sad because Nancy doesn't even
get a chance to like, you know, hold her dead mom.
Mom like disappears. Nancy goes back on the bed and
it's firm and like Mom's gone, you know. So I
just love that twisted ending before we get the you know,
as Wes calls it in the commentary, the feminine hygiene
commercial aesthetic in the end dream sequence with the with

(01:13:15):
the you know, all in white and then the convertible
and everything. But yeah, just a cool ending. I really
like the Mom character a lot. I just think she's
a really interesting character. I think she's a little bit
more interesting than Dad. Dad's kind of you know, typical cop,
you know, tough, not believing his daughter. But Mom's got
some real secrets and it's it's cool to watch.

Speaker 6 (01:13:40):
The Internet never does, never lies, So everything I want
to tell you is obviously true. So Heather langingcav beat
two hundred actresses for the role of Anty and some
of the people that some of the actresses that she
beat out were Jennifer Gray, Courtney Cox, Tracy Gold, Claudia Wells,

(01:14:00):
and this little known actress Demi Moore.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Wow, I believe it. They all were working around this time.

Speaker 6 (01:14:07):
And yeah, the this I think you guys may have known.
So New Line Cinema was safe from bankruptcy from this movie.
So they basically renamed New Line nicknamed New Line the
house that Freddie built because of this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
And by the way, I love the New Line logo
at the start, how it's like red and very eighties right,
because of course it became the iconic you know, other thing.
But absolutely, yeah, that's fun that this movie saved it.

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
And this also continues the interesting trend that has not
stopped of having like I'm bringing up Johnny Depp here,
someone that was not known that became a super duper
uber star. Because I mean, we go back from Halloween
in Front of thirteen, it just continues to happen with horror.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
I mean, Leonardo DiCaprio and Curtis.

Speaker 6 (01:14:56):
Three like people, Matthew McConaughey and and and Texas and
Renee and Texas, Chainsaw which is a riot of a
movie that was the first Jennifer.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Jennifer and Leprechaun iconic. I know, yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:15:13):
So it's just it's just interesting that everyone that that
this genre that people seem to always throw to the
side is the starting point for some of the biggest
careers in the last like forty fifty years.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
It's just Cherry.

Speaker 7 (01:15:29):
She's the only one who can stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
If she fails.

Speaker 7 (01:15:34):
I'm your boy friend down and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
No one was.

Speaker 6 (01:15:41):
The inspiration for Freddy came from several uh source from
that so fred Kruger was a schoolmate of Wes Craven
who he shared a paper We're Oute with and who
had bullied him for several years. In Last House on
the Left, Craven also used this experience as inspiration, calling
the village krug Freddie Burns came from a man with

(01:16:02):
severe burnscars by whom Craven had once been terrified as
a child, and Freddy's attire was inspired by an alcoholic
hobo that Craven saw staring at him walk through his
window one day when he was ten years old.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
So, right, that last story, I've always pictured like looking
out your window and then seeing this creepy guy looking
up at you or whatever level you know, But ooh, yeah,
I love that. That's so interesting. Can you guys imagine
turning your bully's name into this iconic villain that you'll
hear for the rest of your life, Like, hopefully he

(01:16:38):
got over any issues with the real Fred Krueger, because yeah,
I mean, he couldn't go too far without hearing that name.
You know, that's pretty cool. Also, guys, did you know
I had heard about this and then forgot about it,
but they talk about it on the commentary The idea
of the story so not so much Freddy, but the
story came from apparently it was three articles throughout a

(01:16:58):
year that were posted in the La Times about Asian
teens emigrating with their parents to the US. And did
you hear about this? They had a series of nightmares
they aught this group all were having nightmares and the parents,
of course would tell them, you know, relax, get more sleep,
you know, you're just stressed with the move. And they

(01:17:19):
each died in their sleep, and one teen did stay
awake for almost a week to stay alive because he
was so freaked out by his dreams. But he finally
you know, crashed and fell asleep and he did die.
And there was even a coffee pot found in one
of their rooms, which Nancy has the coffee pot. So
I thought that was so so spooky. They had all

(01:17:41):
called it at the time in the seventies Asian death syndrome,
like it was actually talked about, but they never really
delved into it too much further. And luckily, I guess
it didn't last too long to too many people. But
how crazy had you guys heard of that story?

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Yeah, you too, clerk, Yeah, of course I'm talking. I'm
preaching to the quiet. You're like, yeah, yeah, Asian deaths.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
And I know if you read the original script, it
does say is set in California, and it's not mentioned
as Ohio until part six.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
That's so interesting. I'm so glad you brought that up,
because I always associate Springwood, Ohio with Part six. Me two, right,
I'm always like, that's Ohio this movie, maybe because I've
been to the like iconic house, you know, which you
guys probably saw that viral video of the guy who
owns it now being a dick, right, But I've gone

(01:18:31):
on the Hollywood tour years ago, like it's so Californian
to me, even the bridge, like, so yeah, they.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Do they have earthquakes in a whole Ohio because they
She's just like, I think there's gonna be an earthquake.

Speaker 5 (01:18:44):
Something lays happens, right, they bring it up here.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
And then of course, you know in Nightmare and New Nightmare,
earthquakes are huge because that's actually set in LA but
because Springwood, I get is supposed to be like kind
of any anywhere USA. But yeah, it is funny, how
not until later it's like, oh, yeah, Ohio, I have
some fun facts if you guys want to hear just
a couple the scraping claw sound, the screech that we
hear throughout all of these movies, but especially in this original.

(01:19:09):
Wes Craven said it was a steak knife being slid
on the underside of a metal folding chair. That was
what finally worked well to really you know, make everyone
yeah creeped out by that. You guys probably know. Black
plastic was covering the pool the tank that they were
in for when Nancy is pulled deeper into the tub,

(01:19:30):
so it was like black plastic that they cut the
hole out of. But apparently it like would only last
for so long, and then it would fall and kind
of freak everyone out and like get on them. So
I'm sure that was a stressful shoot. The cemetery scene
where they are at I think, is it Rod's funeral
or is it Tina's one of their funerals. It's the same.

(01:19:52):
It's Rod. Yes, thank you Clark, because that's right. That's
right before another moment I love where the cameras really
zoom in when Nancy's really describing Krueger to her parents
and they both know before she goes to the sleep clinic.
That cemetery they filmed that again for New Nightmare. That's
the same one when it's Heather's husband at his funeral.

(01:20:12):
I thought that was fun, And then also I thought
this was so interesting. Going back to the iconic weapon,
the glove, a sickle was considered to be Freddy's weapon
until the third or fourth draft of the script, so
apparently the glove was not an original thought that came
a little later after some rewrites, So there you go.
Freddie almost had a sickle, So I think.

Speaker 5 (01:20:33):
It's sweater is supposed to be ready yellow too. Originally.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Oh I do remember hearing that, Yeah, that's interesting, brighter,
more like clowney or something. I like this sweater because
it's red and green, but it's barely green because we
always associate Christmas, but it's you know, floky man. No,
I want to just hear your rankings. My Freddy pros
so Clark, since you watch these movies so many times,

(01:20:58):
which I love, how would you rank him? We can
and we can include Freddy Versus Jason and the remake
if you want. That's optional, if you want to include those.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
Speaking of Freddy versus Jason, I want to say really fast,
love the Devil looking that one when he's coming up
from the water.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
People love Freddy in that movie.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
He's my Rik is gonna be kind of controversial, Okay.
I like Part three, Part four, Part five, Part one.
Then I know, right, and then I go Part seven,
which is the New Nightmare. Then I go Freddy versus Jason,
and then I go Part six or part two, Part six.

(01:21:40):
I love every single one of them though, don't get
me wrong, I love every one of them, but it's
just just rewatchability that they got like three, four and
five a lot because of the continuation of the story.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Interesting. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's like a good chunk right there.
I hear you. Wow, that is a little controversial, Clark. Okay,
so the original is not your fave?

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
All right, what about you, Dave? How would you rank them?

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
I'm going to be very basic.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Okayna.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Wha correct?

Speaker 5 (01:22:11):
One?

Speaker 6 (01:22:11):
Three, seven? Uh yeah, I've seen a lot of I
guess I'm just getting old. A lot of gen zers.
Really lean more on three now, and I get it.
I love three so much. It's kind of like ironic. Ironically,
it's like a horror version of the Goonies. It's like
the Goonies meets night Marion elm Street essentially like that.

(01:22:35):
But yeah, for me, it's one, three, seven, two.

Speaker 5 (01:22:40):
I figured.

Speaker 6 (01:22:43):
Four Freddy versus Freddy versus Jason five and then like
the Depths of Hell and then six and a little
bit lower than that is the remake.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
So got to go down there.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
That's exactly where I would have put you when you
said basic, just because that's popular.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
That is the basic. Yeah, that's absolutely it. That's all.

Speaker 6 (01:23:07):
I was like, Oh, I love that yours is so
like controversial because you know, I have the most basic list,
So I love that it is different to opinion. That's
why when I tell people Halloweing three my second favorite
Halloween movie.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
I love. Yeah, Hallowing three is great, but also I
feel like Halloween two is kind of underrated, like.

Speaker 5 (01:23:26):
It is better than the first.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Oh, you like it better than the first, you know.
I have a friend that said the same thing. I mean,
the first is great, but Halloween two, I think is
an awesome sequel. That was what I was watching. Going
back to what you were watching on Halloween, Dave, how
you watch one and two? I think two is so good.
It's great to have more of a death count, but
the beginning is scary again going back to these kind

(01:23:49):
of alleys between houses. He's bouncing around killing people, you know,
and then to the hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
So good.

Speaker 6 (01:23:55):
Fun fact, Halloween two is the first horror movie I
ever saw.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Oh, okay, I love that. So you saw two before one?

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
Yep, it was nineteen ninety I still remember that. It
was nineteen ninety four. I was coming home from trick
or treating.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
It was nine.

Speaker 6 (01:24:08):
It was a Friday night. Yeah, Halloween fell on a
Friday night. The year Halloween was playing. It was playing
on USA when he used to play on USA On Halloween.
I got home to the end of Halloween and I
was like, and it ends and you know he you know,
he's like he disappears and cuts the credit and Halloween
two played over Halloween. Halloween two started over the credits

(01:24:30):
Halloween one. I'm like, it's Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
I'm going to stay up.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Since you guys love Halloween two. Like me, Leo Rossi,
who's the guy with the woman who gets it in
the uh hot tub. I was in a movie with
him years ago. I had like so funny ye and
I knew him from Halloween too, and he was so cool.
It was this really bad Mafia movie that was shot
in Philly. But I was like, oh my god, so
what was it like with Michael Myers? And he was

(01:24:54):
really cool?

Speaker 4 (01:24:54):
Saw but.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
What was it like like kissing that girl? The But yeah,
so he was cool. That's a little side note. But Okay,
my ranking for the Nightmare movies and I shouldn't even
be doing this because I haven't watched them all recently.
But my order, I'm not gonna include the remake and
Freddy Versus Jason, just because those two are so like
side for me. Yeah, you know, they're just kind of

(01:25:20):
not part of it. One of course. Seven, I love seven,
so damn much like seeing that when it first came out,
my mind was blown. This meta, Oh my god, brilliant
and bringing the stars back as themselves brilliant. So one, seven, three, two, uh,
then probably four or five, six, I think, just going

(01:25:43):
in that order, so that might be a little kind
of basic as well, but just swapping seven for higher
up because I just love that sequel so much. Anyone
who hates New Nightmare, you are not my friend. Sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:25:53):
I don't like anyone that hates New Nightmare and then
comes back be like, but I love Scream. I'm like, uh,
this this is the blueprim for Scream, Like, what are
you doing exactly?

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
You guys are all about the Heather trilogy?

Speaker 9 (01:26:05):
Then oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I kind of I kind
of really like, I'm sorry, I know we're running along,
but I kind of really would have loved other horror
franchise franchises kind of follow suit with their reimagining.

Speaker 6 (01:26:22):
Like I would actually have loved a Halloween, this New
Halloween trilogy, which not another podcast conversation, but the what
I love the idea of, like this trilogy having Jamie
Lee Curtis not Laurie Strode and just having to deal
with a real life stalker who is trying to bring
Michael Myers to life and killing people around her, like

(01:26:45):
real life interesting. That would have like, oh go ahead, sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
No, speaking of have you guys heard the possibility?

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
Like there's like speculation that part seven of Scream might
make five and six a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Interesting, like make it like a Stab movie. But how
would that work? Because because Gail and Sid and Dewey were,
you know, in it for bits, you know what I
mean to be in part three interesting? Maybe I know
that's tough because I love that franchise so much, but
now with the shift, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Give Melissa back, man, just give me Melissa back.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Well I did hear, and you guys might have heard,
like I feel like, not that long ago, there were
rumors that like like Nev and Melissa were talking and
like someone was trying to bring Melissa back, and Courtney
and Melissa were like seemed really tight making five and six.

Speaker 6 (01:27:37):
So you mentioned Wes used to bring his movies into
his you know, all sprinkle stuff from his movies all
over the place. This could be it, Like Kevin Williamson
could bring everything back and it could have the parents
of all the victims like in Nightmare and elm Street.
Kill off, kill off Sydney, and that creates a new
Freddy Krueger, which is Sidney Prescott.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
It's gonna be like a Missus candy Man. She's deadly,
she's for your teeth.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
If I can't, then you can all relax because it's
just a case of me being not.

Speaker 5 (01:28:09):
Yeah, well, I can save you the trouble. You're not.
He's a fruitcake. I love you anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
One thing I'll say that I realized we missed just
a quick thing. I'm your boyfriend now. Tongue phone.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Oh yeah, what a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Oh my god, insane, insane, so gross. But any other
last Freddy thoughts before we sign off and say good night, guys.
Anything you want to say that you didn't get to
say yet.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
This is the most consistently good horror franchise. This is
when we look at creative.

Speaker 6 (01:28:39):
Yes, it's one that in the era of CG, if
done right, could really blend the use of practical and
CG beautifully, if done right with the proper director, like
I would love Jordan Peele to take it, get his
hands on this franchise, and I think there could be something.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
There, they all feel different from each other. So one
movie is alike to the next one, so it's gonna
be more entertained to watch because it's not going to
feel like Friday the thirteenth, where you're watching the same
movie six yeah times, you know, basically totally.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
I agree. That's really great. Yeah, you're right, it's consistent,
but it feels like a separate chapter where and maybe
that's because the leads change and the dynamics change a bit,
but that's a really good point. It does feel very different.
And speaking of chapters, I just want to quick shout out,
did you guys, since your major Freddy fans, did you
ever get the book series that came out after New Nightmare?

(01:29:33):
I wish I used to. I had them. I love them.
I'm going to post a picture. But they had the
most colorful covers, but I think they were called oh God,
not Freddy's Nightmares, because that was the TV show spinoff.
But does this ring a bell at all? Did you
ever get these paperback Freddy books?

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
No? No, this I'm not. I do own.

Speaker 6 (01:29:55):
The comics like I do own some of the comics
that that were released, but the books I do not.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
I have to look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
Oh they were fun. They were like different scary stories,
very like Christopher Pike esque, but it was it was
new Nightmare Freddy with the different like you know, makeup
and the cloak. Oh man, they were awesome. They were
so spooky. And now if you want to buy them online,
you gotta get them on eBay for like hundreds of
dollars because they're out of print. So we love you Freddy,

(01:30:24):
and we love you Wes Craven for making a great franchise, right, guys,
great movie.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
Absolutely Nightmare on Elm Street.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
And that's it. We survived this episode at least. And
one last fun fact for you all that I didn't
know until the other day. Wes Craven brought his buddy
Sean S. Cunningham, who directed and produced Friday the Thirteenth,
to shoot some footage for a Nightmare on one of
five simultaneous units during filming horror Friends, how sweet. Thank

(01:30:56):
you everybody for listening to or watching release date rewind,
and thank you to my awesome guests such pros Clark
Felix and David Gonzales. Make sure you follow them on
social to see the great things they're doing. Clark is
at Clark makes Art eighty seven so check out his
Freddy designs and more. And Dave is at the Cinematic

(01:31:16):
Reel so read his reviews and give his podcast, The
Real Chronicles a listen as well. Also, Everybody, Clark made
another horror hotties calendar this fall. Last year was a
big success. He's doing a new one and this time
it's the Women of Scream, so check to see if
there are any left before they sell out. There might
be one or two left, but no promises. Thanks also

(01:31:39):
to my dad, Mark J. Parker the First for your
cameo in this episode and of course for introducing me
to the one and only Freddy. Follow me on Instagram
at release date rewind Thanks Straw Media, Kyle Motzinger, Greg
Clemens and Portland Media Center. And on the next episode, everyone,
we have something to warm you up. A Brad Pitt

(01:32:01):
double feature by Everybody and whatever you do, don't fall.

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