American Psycho (25th) & The Amityville Horror (20th)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Straw Hut Media.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Oh hello, Sorry, you caught me in the middle of
my Patrick Bateman morning routine. If you're watching this episode
on YouTube, you can see I'm working on my skincare
and apologies for the red nose from allergies. And then
I'm gonna go do a thousand stomach crunches, you know
the usual. You have to pay to watch that part though. Anyway, listeners,
welcome to Release Date Rewind, a podcast that celebrates movies

(00:29):
and their milestone anniversaries. I'm your host, Mark J. Parker,
a film lover and filmmaker, and thank you for checking
out my show, which is part of the straw Hut
Media Network and on the You Run podcast network. Today
we have a very spicy and very disturbed double feature
episode filled with blood, sweat, and muscle. Yeah look at

(00:52):
that sad muscle. And we're discussing head turning April horror
and celebrating twenty five years of a American Psycho starring
Christian Bale and twenty years of the Amityville Horror remake
starring Ryan Reynolds. Now, if you follow me on Instagram
at Release Date Rewind, thank you very much. If you do,

(01:13):
you might have voted in a little poll I was
doing to help me decide what to call this special episode. Well,
here's how you voted. In last place are the titles
that sadly no one voted for, Muscular mad Men, jacked Jerks,
ripped Rogues, selexed Freaks, and washboard wackos. Next up are

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the titles that just got one vote each, and those
are buff Batties, I Love It and abed Assholes. Then
we have six pack Sickos with two votes each. And
now we have second place, which is a tie with
four votes each going to Deranged Daddies and Shredded Shtheads.

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And in first place, everybody, we have a tie again
with five votes each going to horror hunks and sexy psychos.
How appropriate. So grab your friends, wear your eighties business
suits and your seventies suburban looks, or wear nothing like me.
And if you'd like to watch or rewatch these movies

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before listening, American Psycho is currently available to stream on
Paramount Plus and Prime Video, and the Amityville horror remake
is streaming on Prime Video, Hoopla and Pluto TV. All right,
sexy psychos and horror hunks, grab those acts. Is because
it's time to rewind. Here we go. She is back everybody,

(02:52):
and we are talking about some hot boys, blood scares, comedy,
intentional and maybe unintentional. Katie Bruno is back on release date?
Where you went? Hi, Katie? Who always great to see you.
You're like one of my You are like definitely one
of the regulars. You probably have been on the show.

(03:14):
I would assume I haven't counted, but you're probably you've
been on the most I would assume. Would you agree?
I feel like maybe I feel like you're like on
a few times a year. So I mean I was
looking at the count. I'm like, I'm pretty sure we
were just talking offline. I believe Katie's last episode was
Speed and True Lies last summer. So I mean it's
already April. We got to get her back, and she's.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Going that long.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I know it doesn't feel that long, right, I know
how you've been, how's your April been? How's spring going
for you? Any exciting stuff happening? Oh?

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, you know it's going.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
We got to see each other luckily twice lately Christmas
and then like post Valentine's Day we saw Hard Eyes
and no Saratu back in Christmas time. We going to
the movies together, which is great because we hadn't gone
to the movies together in years, but that was we
were going on the time growing up, you know, so
that was fun to you know, reunited the movies. I
loved Hard Eyes.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah, Hard Eyes is so good everyone out there, if
you haven't seen it.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Right, that was a fun time. I actually cannot wait
to rewatch it, Like, I'll rewatch it soon. You know,
some movies I'm like, oh, we all rewatched that, like
in a year or two. That one, I'm like, put
it on now, I'll check it out again.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Right writing, Yeah, good good kills. Oh managed to be
funny without being corny. Oh yeah, no, you know, like
it could have been so like and stupid and it's
just never the writing was too good, so much fun.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
And we were just talking about coming up this summer,
well I say summer. Yeah, it'll be late summer, early September.
Katie and I with our friends Jackie and Cec, who
have both been on the show as well. We're going
to camp John Waters, so tell let me know if
you're going. We have two beds left in our cabin
unless they are taken by some randos, some narcs.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
I'm excited. We were just talking like we have no
idea what to expect.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, but we're going to see Stephen dorf Amy Locane
now that she's fresh out of jail of a mink stole,
who I believe goes to Camp John Waters every year
with John Waters. So I'm excited. But like we were
saying in our message in our group chat, I got
to watch some John Waters movies. Of course. I've talked
about Cereal Mom on the show, love that one. That
might be my favorite. But I got to go back

(05:17):
to like the deeper cuts, the old ones. I got
to make sure I cover my bases.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
I feel like like I just like try and watch them,
like rewatch my favorites, Like, yes, Mom, I definitely need
to rewatch that. Yeah, hairspray hair spree of course, well
the hairspray I know, but yeah, I kind of want
to go down the list and just rewatch I in
like twenty years.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh yeah, it's been a long time.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yes, I definitely want to go down And I know
we got.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
A prep because that's in less than five months. Yeah,
so we got plans. I'll be seeing this girl in
person more times this year, but at least right now
we are virtual and we're going to talk about I'm
trying to think of the name for this episode, Like,
is it like, is it like like murder bods? Is
it like is it like murder Hotties. It's like, we

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got these guys killing bad.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Boys you should avoid, but you'ren you like that. I
like that.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Also, it kind of rhymed bad boys you should avoid.
Killer hunks. Oh, that's kind of fun. Killer hunks is fun,
Hunky hunky murderers. I don't know what listeners we are.
We are talking about two fun, crazy, very memorable, very

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rewatchable horror April movies. First of everybody talk about American Psycho.
What a true classic, what a very unique film, right
that came out twenty five years ago, twenty five years
ago today, it's very special when I can doesn't happen
all the time.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Today's today, Yes, on this day.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
So as of this recording, everybody, Katie and I are
recording on April fourteenth, and on this day, twenty five
years ago, that movie came out, and it's rare when
it like sinks up like that.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
I don't think I ever recorded on the day.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, it's very rare. Yeah, so so. And then tomorrow
the fifteenth will be the twentieth anniversary of the Amityville
horror remake with Ryan Reynolds. So yep, they're back to back,
just five years apart. But we're doing at a little
hunky double feature everybody. Most of the episode will be
American cycle, the end will be Amityville. I know some

(07:35):
of you, anyone who follows me on instap might have
seen my poll. Most of you were all for this
hunky double feature. A few of you, a few of
you shady queens out there were like just an Amityville
mention or no Amityville mentioned at all. So it's like, okay,
well I already decided Amityville's.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
It's your show.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Thank you for your input, you know, thank you, but
no thank you, yes, but so you know I'll announce. Okay,
now we're moving over to we're taking a trip to Amityville.
And then if you want to get your sign off, right,
you can get off the train, but or just get off.
Oh but first up, everybody is American Psycho. So Katie,
I need to ask you, when did you see this movie?

(08:17):
Did you see in theaters. We were thirteen.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
God, no, I did not see this.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
I saw this in theaters. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
I was wondering if your goddamn dad took you with me.
So even my parents are like, my mom is like, Rob,
absolutely fucking not, You're not taking it. So I did
not see this in theaters. I watched this. So I
was thinking about because you always asked this question. When
I first saw I remember watching it at home. I
believe it was when it PREMI premiered on like HBO.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Probably yeah, later in the year, maybe even like a
year later.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Almost a year, yeah, so may it's been two thousand
and one around this time. Yeah, and i'd heard about
this movie. I think you know what. You saw it,
and I think you told me about it, and you're like,
you go to see this movie.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
So I'm pretty sure. I was home alone and we
had HBO, I had access to HBO, and it came
on and I was like, I'll watch this movie. And
I was like, oh shit, this is like all right
here we go buckle up like it is. It's quite
a movie. And at thirteen, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Was like, okay, uh huh, right, it is quite a movie.
It's so yeah, it is truly twisted. It's so even
because it's very funny, which I did a lot of
that went over my head at that age. You know,
as I've gotten older, the more I rewatch, I even,
I pick up more and more. It's darkly funny. It's
so it rips apart these like finance bros. And I

(09:37):
love it.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Right, it's so fun it's so witty. It's so funny
that I didn't appreciate the dialogue twenty five years ago
that I now, I'm like, oh my god, this script
is so good that I don't if.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Anything when I saw it in theater. So I saw, okay,
here's how, here's how.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, let me hear your first.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
I'm pretty sure we saw it at the Morristown Mall
where where Katie and I just saw hard Eyes. I'm
pretty sure we went there. Maybe Lowe's Cherry Ill, but
I think it was the more timile. So it's me
and my dad. I am literally newly thirteen, had just
turned thirteen, like a couple days prior, right, and we
went with You might remember Katie. Of course, I was
an actor as a kid, and I worked on a

(10:13):
couple indie films. In the area, and so we actually
went with our filmmaker friend who my dad had like
produced some things with, and I was in some of
the shorts and features that this guy Patrick Rodeo. Hi, Pat.
I don't think you're listening, but Hi. So we went
with him and his then wife, and so it was
kind of fun and I felt really cool. I'm like, yeah,
I'm like going out with like this filmmaker. We're gonna

(10:34):
like see this cool like artsy horror film. Right. I
knew Christian Bale from probably mostly from Little Women, which
I love, which I talked about on the show a
couple months ago, but that was, you know, that was
a different Christian Bale. Now we were seeing like what
through like movie star leading man, very different side to him, right,
and so I knew him. I knew they were showing
Greece Witherspoon in the commercials, of course, even though her

(10:57):
role actually I forgot it's quite small is in it.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Honestly, when I was like, oh, yeah, like again, I
haven't seen this movie in so long. I thought Reese
was in it. But right when I saw or, I'm like,
oh this, I remember this role now exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yep, yep, but so I was expecting and hope. You know,
in spring of two thousand, Scream three had just come out.
Of course, we were obsessed with like this whole new
wave of horror and learning about old, older horror, you know,
from the past. I was hoping for maybe more of
like a slasher or like I just thought, like, ooh,

(11:31):
a serial killer in the city who like wears suits
and like has an office. But he's like there's a
lot of murder. So as as a thirteen year old,
I was not bored, but I was just kind of like, Okay,
this is interesting, it's weird. I like it, but like,
come on, like I want to be scared, and it's
it is scary at times, but it's not a scary movie.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
It's horrific, yes, really disturbing, not really scary and not
as bloody as I well, we can get into the
book of.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
I had to put the book down, like literally, you
know what I say.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I never wat it down and I wanted to read
it before this, but we decided I'm just a reader.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I would not Oh me too, don't even worry. But
I used to have a copy of it, yes, and.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
I was hesitant to read it because I heard it
was so graphic.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
So I remember some paragraphs I read and I was like,
oh god, what people dead bodies orifices, and I was
just like, and I'd never I never continued it because
I think I picked it up after I saw the movie,
maybe a year or so after, where I'm like, that
was a good movie.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Like I want to like see you about the book.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
The book of course a few years prior ninety one, right,
and that was a controversial book. It was in the news.
Brett Easton ellis right, everyone was like, oh my god,
this book and his other stuff is kind of weird
and dark, of course, right, I think I tried to
read some other stuff, but you know, and then this
book like was banned, was misogynistic, was violent against women.

(13:01):
I think even Gloria steinem that the book and maybe
also the movie, if I remember correctly.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Trying to like ironically he is Christian Christian Bale's Stepmother's hilarious,
but was she his stepmother back then he was only
dating his father, they were yet but he took the
role is a whole I have a whole fun fact
on that. So it was like this rumor like he
did it to like in spite of her, but I
don't think it wanted this role.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yes, from what I've read, and I'm sure in your
did you say you have six pages of American Psycho
like like the scholar is back? Everyone, this is really
not my show. It's Katie show. I'm just kind of
like leading the conversation. But it's all Katie. But no,
I mean, that's that's pretty amazing. So yeah, I mean

(13:49):
we heard about how how crazy this book was in
comes this movie that was in the works for a while, right,
and we'll talk a little bit about who was behind it,
who could.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Have who could have been they tried to right?

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, right, so hold that thought before we talk more
about all the major players. I'm just gonna rewind everybody.
Let's rewind twenty five years ago to April fourteenth, two thousand.
This is what was going on. I'll set the scene, Katie,
I want to hear your thoughts. Okay. On the news side,
it was all over. The awards circuit had just ended,
you know, because back then, like the oscars were a

(14:21):
little bit later than what they are now is super
drawn out, right, But American Beauty just cleaned up all
the big Awards Best Picture at the Oscars, the BAF
does I think the golden globes all that good stuff? Right?
So Kevin Spacey and a net Benning and all that
good stuff. The plastic bag floating in the breeze, Minusduvari
naked with the rose petals, right. So that was the
big movie of the moment, winning all the awards. On

(14:44):
the music side, Maria Maria was the number one song
from Santana and why can't I remember who's sang it
with Santana? Hold on, I gotta look this up, my
old thirty eight year old brain.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
We're middle aged. Now, we're middle aged.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Everybody bear with me. Maria Maria song was Santana with
it just says Santana featuring the product. Okay. I definitely
thought this was gonna be a more interesting detail. I
thought it was like featuring like Usher. Okay, No, it's
just a guy, will be right back, new card.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Who? Very nice? Yeah? So Maria Maria was a number
one song, followed by some major hits of our youth
katies such as say My Name from Disney's Child, Bye
Bye Bye from One and Sink and the Thong song
from those were all in the top ten on the
Billboard chart that Katie and I were moving and grooving to.

(15:52):
And you know, honestly, I do feel like looking thinking
back to those songs. Sure, we're not like listening to
them a lot nowadays. Years later, it's not like those
are your go to But what a fun time for music.
I mean, those songs were pretty, you know, unique and
have their own sound, and like that was like a
because you know, sometimes when I do the show, I'm like, oh,

(16:13):
there was no good music at the time.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, I like that song, You're like, but those were, right.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
But those are like pretty iconic, right, pretty.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Much of our childhood, like yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
And then other movies, other popular movies that came out
around the same time, same day, Rules of Engagement with
Samuel Jackson and Tommy Lee Jones not really my thing,
kind of like I don't know, like Soldiers and you know,
that kind of action drama snoozy for me. I think
it was like a thriller ish. Rules of Engagement was
the number one movie Aaron Brockovich talk about an Awards

(16:44):
movie she was she was gonna win to Oscar a
whole year later, but that Julia Roberts movie was very
popular in theaters at this time. Right, of course, that
was a big one. I really want to rewatch that. Actually,
I haven't seen that. I don't think i've seen that
since twenty five years ago.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Right, probably, Yeah, I don't know if I've ever.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Rewatched it, but I obviously it's great, it's iconic. She's
so fun in it with her bras showing and what
she said, they're called boobs ed right to her bo Yeah.
So Aaron Brockovich was huge, and other movies that came
out this same day as American Psycho twenty eight Days
with Sondra Bullock in rehab. I remember seeing that, yes, yes,

(17:23):
and Keeping the Faith with Jenny Elman.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Little underrated them. I saw saw that the I saw
in the theaters.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Did you. I don't think I ever saw it.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
I haven't really, I haven't rewatched that. Probably in Point
and Ben Stiller, I think so Ben Stiller is a
priest or. No, Brent Stiller's a rabbi and Edward Norton's
the priest and it's really like, it's cute, it's funny. Yeah,
I haven't seen it in twenty five years, so maybe
I rewatch and be like, this is not as funny
as when I was thirteen, It.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Probably isn't that bad. Yeah, I mean that's a break cast.
That's like a solid those leadst good movies, right, Yeah,
that's so funny. Yeah, keeping the faith. I don't think
I've ever seen it, So maybe I'll add that to
my long list of movies I somehow missed. Right now, Katie,
in your own words, I'm gonna throw it over to
you for a second before we talk more about who

(18:08):
made American Psycho. If anyone out there who hasn't seen it,
who maybe is too scared to see it, and it's
just thinking, I'll just listen to Katie and Mark talk
about it in your own words. Give me the brief
little pitch. What is American Psycho about?

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Well, Mark, a lot of a lot of murder. So
it's set in nineteen eighty seven, and it really centers
I know, I know, the year of my our birth birds.
It's when the world began, honestly. Oh yeah, So it
centers around Patrick Bateman, who is a corporate yuppie social

(18:45):
ladder climber, obsessed with money, appearance, all of that, that
whole Gordon Gecko greed is good, Like, he's very much
like that sociopathic kind of guy. And see he is
a vicious, uh serial killer. And so the movie kind

(19:06):
of follows his kind of mental deterioration and path to madness,
you know, through fun witty dialogue and well an ending
we will discuss, you know, we discuss yeah, like what's real,
what's not?

Speaker 2 (19:26):
So?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
But yeah, that's the synopsis of American Psycho. And he's
very hot, and you know, let's let's start with the
with the headline everybody he is, he's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
He is in insane shape as is fast forward to
Ryan Reynolds. We'll get to him soon. Damn that body. Okay, Kate,
I'm gonna just I'm gonna just ask you right now,
if you had to choose between these two April horror hunks,
who would you you choose? It's hard Ryan.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
I'd probably go with Ryan Reynolds because.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
He's like, he's like funny, funny, psychotic.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
He's a funny. Yeah, he's a funny guy. Yeah, but yeah,
both but I always like, so this is like going
to the Prestige With Christian Bale. We had a we
were playing a game one time and it was like
if you could bring your one thing to an island,
And I said the Christian Bale twins from the Prestige, Like.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
I was like, to come on over, talk about a.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Good It's a tough choice, but I would say Ryan Reynolds,
but Christian Bale is a very close second, very close second.
God that's for me personally. But yeah, he went full
force in this movie. Like he he was saying he
worked out like three hours a day at the gym,
had an on site trainer three hours more a day.
He's like, he was like, I ate nothing but like

(20:52):
chicken breast. He's like, if I have to eat one
more fucking chicken bras, I'm moving my mind.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
He yeah, he really, I mean I mean it worked
like he truly, I mean because of his amazing performance,
his amazing body, like and also like if anyone didn't
really recognize him from like, you know, because he had
been working for a while. I mean, he was an
amazing teen like the Empire of the Sun, I think
Steven when he was a kid, right, so I mean

(21:17):
lots of stuff already. But if you didn't really kind
of know him that well, like whoa what away break through?
Literally No, that body I remember even as a thirteen
year and I was like, Holy fuck.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Is this is this.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Like move over Jurassic Park special effects? I think I'm
in some really great visuals, you know, Like I mean,
it's so impressive and he's so I mean, you have
to just admitted to that throw any caution out the
window when you do this stuff. I mean the sex
scene will get to the nudity, you know.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Like doing this that's is obsessed with appearance. So yeah,
he had everything he's doing with like his care and
the butt, like hat, his body, his workouts, like it's
part of Patrick's personality.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
I've been saying he really was like the first skincare
and fitness influencer, like honestly between And it's so funny
how these movies are kind of back to back just
a few months apart, between Brad Pitt and Fight Club
and Bail in American Psycho. I feel like these are men,
like male characters sadly that some guys really look up to,

(22:28):
and bodies that like that changed pop culture, you know
what I mean. Like these are the bodies that I
feel like created a whole industry of fitness videos and
like I mean, we had before you know, two thousand
of course, but like I just feel like influencers now
on Instagram that are like showing off their workouts. It's
all because of fucking Tyler Dirt and Patrick, do you

(22:50):
know what I mean? Yeah, it really changed things, you know,
So good job boys, and thank you for your service,
such a great job, and thank you for eating all
that chicken. The pictures just are priceless. She's got the
fan okay, good. You know, we have to keep it

(23:12):
tally everybody and how many times herself during this hot episode?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Times?

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Sorry, anyone who's straight or just anyone who's not into men, sorry, yeah,
we'll try to.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Even other straight men would be like, yeah, yeah, I
get it.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
It's so impressive everything about him and really just his
whole career. I know he did have that time around
Terminator whatever that was Salvation where like you know, the
the mic recorded him losing his.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Ship and he like verysted, like, yeah, he's got a temper,
so I'm sure my sister in law were like, that
makes me like him more like my sister. Like when
that first came out, she's like, actually makes them horder
to me my damage, like, oh my god, I agree,

(24:01):
you're like, yeah, oh no, yeah bad Christian.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yea, so no, he's how impressive in this movie. And
to think so originally it was going to be Leonardo DiCaprio.
I'm sure you saw that. That was that, do you think?

Speaker 3 (24:16):
So it's it's interesting. I read that and I was like, okay,
like I kind of get it.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
I get it from Titanic, which we talked about, you know,
but yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Well that was with Oliver Stone protect you know, because Mary,
how is it?

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Mary Harron Aaron Aaron.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Wanted Christian Bale and the studio was like, well, okay,
and then she's like great, and then they're like, actually
we made an offer to Leo and she's like, well
then I'm leaving and they're like okay. So then she left,
Oliver Stone got attached, and then Leo was like, but
the budget was getting so crazy because you really wanted
so much money, which I mean.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
I sort of understand. Leo was literally right famous. Plus Leo,
we really have to kind of deal with kind of
a new image because he was sort of that also.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yeah, it made sense, so Glorio Stein and that's where
she kind of came in allegedly and told Leo I
don't recommend you do this. Your fan base is teenage girls,
Like my age was thirteen at the time, right, I
was the fan base, so I get it. And then
but then Leo ended up dropping out to film The
Beach instead, and then Alison was like nevermind, and then
they rehired Mary, who then got Christian Bale back. It

(25:27):
was like a whole thing, back and forth. Christian Bale
was really fighting for this role, like he was.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
I read somewhere maybe you saw this too. I thought
this was interesting because so Christian Bale, you know, like
we said, we've listened some movies, but right before this,
he had done Velvet gold Mine with you McGregor, and
he was in a movie I do. I do love
this adaptation, The Midsummer Night's Dream. I forgot that with
like Michelle.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
A long time.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Oh my god, yeah, I just remember that was Kevin Klein.
I think, like a beautiful, a really good adaptation. I
forgot he was in that. But so those were movies
leading up to this. But his co star ew and
McGregor and Velvet gold Mine I guess.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Was also apparently yeah, and Christian said, like, can you
take your.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Name out of the running please, don't take it.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, I was wondering. Yes, I didn't realize I never
saw Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Haven't seen it either. I've seen bits and pieces. I
know it's very queer. I know Tony Kollette was in
it before. She really kind of broke through well, I
mean she broke through with Muriel's wedding, but really broke
through with sixth cents, right, she's in it two with them.
But uh, yeah, I kind of love that trivia that
he was like, please, please let me have it. I

(26:40):
I appreciate it. I think, you know what it's. I
don't know if Leo Leo is an amazing actor. We
already know that, but his body gotten right, And I don't.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Know about Leo Leo back then. I don't know. He
was so pretty boy like not acting wise, He's always
been great Leo now could probably but again the you know,
but like the way he acts it. I just can't
see such an edge to you McGregor. You McGregor is
such a sweetheart, comes off as a sweet baby angel,
even though he's played grittier roles, but that's just always

(27:12):
he's just like, no, he seems so kind or like
Christian Bale has that ability. He looks like a retile
in this almost when he's like peeling the masks. He
literally what.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
An iconic moment, right right, And and someone.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Who has want used to do those maths. They never
they never peel that nicely. I mean they can, but
it's so frustrated.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
I was like, yeah, so you can you imagine like
all day long they're just doing that.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
It's like, so that was actually done in one take
and actually yeah, the director was like, oh wow, that
worked out really well because she knows when we do
those stupid masks like the pieces ladies out there and
then to use math, they rarely peel that perfectly. So
they got in like one take, which.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Was like I read that and like what wow, I
just figured a whole day was scheduled to just that shot.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's like, all right, let's just break for lunch and
like figure something out here.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Right twenty five He's like come on guys, wow, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
I mean that whole monologue where we really to meet
him his routine and I mean, now you know, like okay,
something is really right.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, he's so obsessive with CD like and again, like
the feeling I always think of like a reptile.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Like, yeah, that's really I love that good thinking, and.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
I feel like he projects that where I don't think
Leo or you McGregor. And they offered it to like
Hannah Reeves, they offered it to like other. Yeah, I
couldn't have done it like that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Sorry, I love you, bab, but no way, it's really
hard to imagine anyone really the whole time. I think
the whole cast is perfect. I think you're amazing, you know,
really funny, pre legally blonde kind of girl, you know,
cry baby kind of focused on on image, like her
supposed fiance, right, doesn't he say something like she's like

(29:05):
my fiance sort of like right, it's so funny, how like?
And even Chloe seven yet, who's also great. She had
just been nominated for Boys Don't Cry, just like, you know,
a month prior, so she was busy with that and
all that. But how she's like, are you seeing anyone?
And he's like, sort of, I think so not really no, like.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Awkward. That's a great theme too. And then we're jumping
around and then the voicemail comes on. It's Evelyn and
that's like and they just just sit there listening I'm like,
turn it off. I don't know, the eighties, maybe you
couldn't turn the thing. I'm like, Paul right, like.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Right, And then you have like the great Willem Dafoe,
who you know because I I do. I sometimes have
actors do a scene from this movie in my acting classes.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
I do.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
It's the Paul Allen, it's Jared Leto, You're about to
get killed, that whole light back and forth, you know,
and even the restaurant scene before where they're really like
one up in each other. That's some great stuff. But
I forget how great the Willem Dafoe interrogation scenes are
great scenes, great tension. Do you have any witnesses or fingerprints? Actually, yes,

(30:16):
I've known this for years and I love it. Mary
Heron had told Willem Dafoe like to play each take differently,
and then they edit it together so that sometimes he
has no idea and he's just a nice guy. Sometimes
he is so suspicious and knows you know that Bateman
is the killer, right, and so it's constantly making Bateman.

(30:37):
The way they've edited it, it makes us really not sure,
like does he have a good hunch? Is he suspicious?
Or is he oblivious, and it just adds to that tension.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
It adds to that mysterious of like what's real, what's not,
what's what's Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, right, super smart and.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
It's funny like Will And that's like a more subdued
role for him too, because I kind of forgot he
was in that as well, and I was like, oh yeah,
I'm like, oh, this is kind of a more.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
You know, yeah, because he can get great. I mean
just a couple of years after this, right, just about
two years after he was the Green Goblin and Spider
Man where he really gets to go big. Right, So yeah,
it's just great cast. And let me talk real quick
about our director. I do love I think it is
so badass, and I have to say, I know the
studio kind of like was dicking her around a little bit.

(31:21):
But and also it's so funny. Speaking of the studio,
this is like the old lions Gate, Like this is
like their old logo because then like it's all changed
it into like the Gears and like now that's kind
of like their current logo. Right. But I do think
it's impressive that this movie is not directed by a
man and that they were like, oh, it's such a
masculine movie. We got to give it to Like, I'm

(31:42):
just shocked they didn't push for Oliver Stone to stay
because it is it could easily be an Oliver Stone
movie after Naperborn kill it, right, But they were like, Okay,
Mary Harron, I think that is so badass because she.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
I agree, amazing. I don't know its directed by a
woman and the screenplay was written by a woman as well.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yes, it was Mary An and Guinevere Turner, who do
you know she's in the movie as well.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
He plays a friend.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
I was like, wait, so two women. This movie is
created by women, right of course, based on a man's book,
but they completely adapted it. And I think that's why
it is so good, because it rips these guys apart,
not necessarily from a woman's perspective, but from the perspective
of someone who has been probably you know, made fun

(32:29):
of by these men, treated badly by these men, right.
I think that makes me love it so much more.
And already it's such an amazing movie. You know, the
people who are behind the scenes, and g Turner I
think is awesome as Elizabeth. I know she doesn't have
a lot to do personal.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
I remember that from when I rewatched them, Like I
remember this.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Scene, yes, right, because it's so casual and she's so
oblivious and she's so like vapid and talking about like
you know, how do I know you? You know, like
the dialogue is just and it's so funny because, like
I said, like like with any good comedy, especially that
came out when we were kids, really it gets better

(33:10):
and better the more I see it, because it's like,
oh my god, I missed these some of these jokes
because I just they just went over my head, you know.
So like I know, like one of the guys says
I think he says, ed gain is he the may
or d at whatever restaurant they're talking about? And and
Bateman's like no, like it's.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Just like they're all so stupid they have And then
the other seat where like he talked about Ted Bundy
and Jean's like, who Who's Ted Bundy?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Right? Yeah, they're all so focused on themselves and going
to the whatever restaurant, you know, and can we just
talk about I mean, you've been to New York. I
used to live there. I just was there literally just
got back yesterday. Jesus Christ, I know you guys are
all making a lot of money in the eighties, but
you're really throwing it away every night on restaurants, bars, clubs,

(33:57):
Like I.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Put that in there my notes on like lots of
crazy restaurants and clubs.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Does no one cook? Does no one like a microwave?

Speaker 3 (34:06):
I don't even own a microwave. I live out of mine.
But yeah, no, I did write that in there. I'm
like a lot of like really cool like hit locations,
but like very douchey. Oh yeah, this is like all
of the settings are like very cool or very like
not cool but very fancy and bougie and like, yes,
keeping up with the Joneses, like I want to be seen.

(34:27):
I want to fit in. I want to be seen.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yes, But it's just like much like Bateman says towards right,
and I had forgotten he says.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
That, I think.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Does he say that?

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah, he's like, why do you work the job or
something like that, that you needn't do it because I
want to fit in.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yes, we're getting it out there right away, Like yeah, ultimately,
this guy so desperately wants to fit in that it's
driving him crazy. You know, he wants this lifestyle, this
image completely forgot. In that same scene, I think Evelyn says, well,
you know, or maybe it's later I forget, but I'm
pretty sure Evelyn says like, well, your dad like co
owns the company, completely forgot because we don't hear a

(35:05):
thing about That's the only thing we hear about his
parents about his dad, right, And it's so funny because
to me, I view this movie as like, oh, yeah,
Patrick Bateman doesn't even have parents, like he is such
a solo freak. Yeah, And I'm like, oh my god,
that's right, Like he comes from a mom and dad
and like.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
It comes from a human they do, you know, just
like a birthing sack and like some like laboratory.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
And it's funny, like, you know, I definitely want to
ask people who've read the book, like maybe do they
because because like I said, I didn't get very far
years ago. But I wonder if maybe his parents are
in the book or talked or mentioned. I could see
it going either way. Maybe they are, Maybe they're just.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
A child of divorce.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
I think, yes, he does say that, Yeah, he's right, Yeah,
that's true.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Like oh, you have you come from somewhere, right, that's
a wonderful suit look so soft.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
I don't think I can control myself.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
If you stay, something bad will happen. But yeah, so
Mary Mary Harron had done a couple of things, but
like she was I guess a little bit of a
of a risk, I guess in the eyes of the
studio because she did make the movie I Shot Andy Warhol.
I know that's a that's been around for years. That
was like an iconic movie, but I never still haven't
seen it with Taylor. Have you seen it?

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Good?

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, that was a real breakthrough, right, And she had
directed TV show episodes like Oz loved Oz on HBO
back in the day, homicide, so some gritty stuff. So
I mean she was totally ready for something like this.
But you know, a different studio could have maybe been like, hey,
we need a bigger leading name, we need a bigger director,
right because Mary Harron versus Oliver Stone, Yeah, one's a

(36:47):
kind of a sexier name at that time.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
For sure. You know, budgeting too, because they didn't have
a big budget. So that's why Leo and Oliver Stone
kind of fell through. The budget was just getting so big,
so Christian Bale and Mary were cheaper, you know. Yeah,
again at the time, so that probably was a big factor,
was giving money to hang on to someone like Oliver Stone,
Leonardo DiCaprio.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
So totally totally yeah, because I think it was something like, yeah,
Leo wanted I think you were saying like twenty one million,
which is boosting that and that once Christian took it,
it brought the whole budget, not just his money, because
he barely made any money. I think honestly his salary
just went back to like his gym, his trainers, like
he I think he has said like he made like

(37:29):
one dollar on this movie, like he didn't care about that, right,
But that by him taking it, it brought the whole
budget down. I think I read to seven million total. Right,
So yeah, they're like great, you know, and and on,
like we're saying, I mean, he just makes the movie
so good, right, I know, and.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
It catapults in his career and like he was warned
not to do it, you know, he was warned that
it could be career suicide, and you know, but he
he made the wise choice.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
You know. And speaking of that, for anyone who doesn't
like this kind of stuff, yeah, it's like you said,
it's disturbing it's controversial. It's it's I don't want to
say brutal, because it's not like it's actually that violent,
but it is dark and twisted and probably hard to
watch for some people, even just the dialogue. You know,

(38:17):
what would you say, what is this movie? I kind
of view it now as a comedy. I think it's
more of a comedy, right, yeah, I mean it's it's
a horror comedy, but it's.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
It's mist of things. I think it's because that's something
I was kind of reading, like, how do you classify
this film? Horror comedy, black comedy, thriller, drama. I think
it's all of it. It's a little it's all of
that because it you know, it is horror because he's
doing horrible things to these people, you know, and it's drama,
you know, very dramatic of seeing him deteriorate and go insane. Essentially,

(38:52):
it's also funny, you know, there's a lot of quick,
funny dialogue.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
So dark, oh yeah, right, but I forgot like some
of his great voiceover lines like oh my god, I
wrote it down like I was near tears thinking we
were going to get a decent table at this restaurant.
But I like, I was surprised to see that we
did know. Yeah, he is so vapid, he is so

(39:17):
focused on like right. And what's so funny is no
one likes him. All of his coworkers are like you
know when they talk about him, which is so interesting
because as a kid, I was sort of confused by that.
I'm like, wait, how does no one know him? But
it's because he's a nobody. Ultimately, like no one actually
knows who you're talking to.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
No one is anyone in this film. The whole concept
of mistaken identity that is a theme in both the
book and this is where I did the deep dig
on Sturdy and I was like two hours later like researchers,
ohe oh my god, I need a break.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Tell me.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
It is the whole concept of mistaken identity. Everyone's mistaken
for someone else. Like the lawyer at the end calls
him Davis, right, and then the other guy.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
What's his name, Jared Allen calls him Marcus.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Hamberg or whatever I have written down somewhere and then yeah,
and and like everyone's mistaking someone for someone else because
nobody has a true identity, nobody has individual characteristics. They're
all the same look at their business cards, which is
a great scene. That's a great scene.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
The effect.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
That is the sound of a sword being sheaf, so
they did it on purpose. That is so perfect. It's
like their weapon they did for the You're sorry because
you're all vice president. They're all and they're all.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Like centered, there's nothing but but the only individuality is like, oh,
some have gold letters, some are in all caps.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Lightly different papers versus like off white. You're like what,
it's so funny, and but then none of them are
and the women too, they're all like the same, like
they're all dressed well, they're all pretty, they're all block.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
And then he wants blonde, you know, like hookers, you know,
sex workers. He's like blonde, you know.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
And then when that poor woman, you're not very blonde, you're.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
More of a dirty blonde. And she doesn't have a
lot of lines. But I have always watched her face
because she's so expressive, like and how he's directing her,
and like right off the bat when he says that,
she's kind of like, oh man, those women are so good.
And then the other one that comes back, I'm.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Like Christie, I see every time every time.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
She comes back I'm like, don't. It's actually really truly
Like when I was younger, I'd be like, God, she's dumb.
But now as an adult, I mean, you know, older,
I'm like no, I mean, no, don't do it, girl.
But when the money is that good and you are
struggling and this is this is really all that you

(41:48):
have been told you can do, all that you feel
you can do, oh man, it is heartbreaking the.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
More I see it, right, I remember that, and that, Yeah,
that scene is what I really remember as a kid.
That whole scene is just so like it's and then
she's going to escape and she can't get out, and
she's trying to do the different doors. It's like a
fucking maze of horror. And then their bodies and she's like,
Jesus Chris, that's like them.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
That's when I would say that's the most horror. That's
really in the horror.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
And then him with the chainsaw, naked and and you're
like she's gonna get how she's gonna go and she's
going down and he's and I just remember being kidding
be like, oh my god, yes, I was like that
is such a gripping scene. And I remember that that's
like the biggest one I remember from first watching, Oh yeah,
hitting him just dropping the chainsaw.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Because he's so intensely like like following her with his
eyes and you're thinking, and I remember I remember so well,
thinking he's not going to get her. That's like one
of the odds.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Are the odds, but he and how.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
We don't see it right away. We see him do
that really disturbing like animalistic stream right, and then we
cut to silent her body face down with blood cut
like it's such a bummer because we all were rooting
for her, right for you, yeah, because she was smart,

(43:14):
you know, she knew she was being dumb. And again
going back to the scene with Elizabeth, with the three
of them, not until they're you know, drunk, and well,
Elizabeth definitely has been drugged because she even says like
this tastes funny, but like you know, and we don't
really know if Christy she drank a little bit of it.
He says, you're not drinking your wine. She takes a sip,

(43:36):
but it seems like she's being cautious and maybe just
going through the motions he's able to She gets out
of that bed, which is that's that's really Yeah, when
the terror really starts, when the blood seeps through the
blanket and Elizabeth is screaming, and I just remember, like
the book, in that moment, I'm like, which part of
her is he like biting?

Speaker 3 (43:57):
I sorry, cover it up, you know.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, it's all it's all implied, which which is smart
because also, I mean, they couldn't do an NC seventeen movie.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Well, they were going to. Originally the first cut was
NC seventeen, so they and that's a death sentence for movies,
as you know, so especially back then. So they had
a trim it down to get an R rating. So
who I don't know exactly how much more gory it
was supposed to be, you know, in certain scenes or sexual.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I mean, yeah, well we'll get to that big scene
in a minute. But one thing I wanted to say
more about this, this chase, because I'm so glad you
brought it up, because it is such a it is
such a sequence in this movie, Like you're sorry, when
you think of American Psycho, you think of a few
scenes and that by far. I mean also, he's naked,
that chiseled body covered in blood wood and it's except

(44:45):
for except for white sneakers, right, because because I think
he probably I assume because he's Patrick Bateman, he's having
sex with these sneakers on because he knows he's gonna
make these women run around like it's all planned, like
he's gonna you'll have a workout with them in another
way right after this, So he's doing it with his
sneakers on. It's also so brilliant to have this naked

(45:07):
man who we've been like ougling his body, right, but
now that body is ugly, Now that body is you know,
I think it inspired me to make this. I've had
this idea for years about a naked, chiseled man, you
know very much, Patrick Bateman using his body against a
woman because in slashers, you know, we're so used to

(45:27):
the killers all covered up. He's in a mask, he's
in a costume. What if the body you were obsessing
over is now the body that is trying to hurt you, right,
And it's totally inspired by this, Right.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
I feel lethal on the verge of frenzy. I think
my mask of sanity is about to slip.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
So here he is naked and like the extension of
his his you know what he's got going on down
there is a chainsaw, like he is going to kill
you with the extension of what is so sexy about him?
Like it's so it's just so twisted and dark, and
just the way she's screaming and banging on the doors.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
And no one's answering, which I'm not surprised it goes
in the film. Hopefully we'll get more into but yeah,
no one's, no one's coming out, no one's Yeah, And
that's also very animalist.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
It's like very like you know, at your it's your
most human thing you can do is just just scream
and run, And he's screaming and running, oh man, And
it's it's definitely I'd say I would say it's the
darkest moment in the whole movie, I think, I mean,
there are some dark moments, but that's probably the heaviest one.
I mean, he he hurts and I assume kills a dog,

(46:48):
which so does Ryan Reynolds.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
So why do we put two movies where dogs die?

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I completely forgot that happened in both movies? What is
up with that accidental theme here? Everyone?

Speaker 3 (47:03):
And I'm like, I know, and also.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
I'm just as you know, as dog owners, dog glovers
as I get older, that just gets worse and worse,
Like I really, I know, you know, there's a lot. Yeah,
so I mean there are some brutal moment and then
with the cat, how he is you know, what does
it say? Feed me a straight cans?

Speaker 3 (47:21):
That's why you know he's going right.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
But I would say out of all of them, yeah,
that that whole epic chase is really really dark.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
That stuck in my mind when right as a kid,
when I first watched it like that, then yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Edge of your seat, Sabrina, why don't you dance a
little chrissy, get down on your knees.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
We're not through yet, I think both scenes with the
sex workers, so the first scene, you know it starts
it's so this movie is so fun funny with like
how it like goes seamlessly from funny to a little
awkward to oh god, you know, it's just seamlessly just
flows like that. So like the scene with the first

(48:08):
scene with two sex workers, Christy and the woman's name
you're going to be called and you're Christy. How it
starts off. He's talking about the music and it's just
like awkward, She's I could imagine sitting there and be
like what a nerd? Like all right, like can we
just get this? And that's and that's what they're doing, right,
just weirded out and not threatened, talking about.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Hue Lewis and the news, right, and then starts like
Phil Collins, which that song without thinking right right.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Well, apparently a lot of the talk with the music
dialogue was not in the novel. Okay, so it was
like a nice touch because it definitely adds to like
his obsessive personality and that. But yeah, so it's just
like that scene you're you're kind of starting off and
as as the viewer, you know something bad's gonna happen
because it's called American Psycho. But you know, it's like

(48:59):
you could see I'm being like, this guy's just a nerd,
like can we just get on with the show, like
let's and then it kind of goes just to sex,
like okay, they having sex, which is whe he's looking
at his muscles.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Oh my god, that funny.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
It's like funny.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
It's like it's like hot and sexy, but it's so crazy.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
It's so cringey.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
I love when Christie's like he's she's just sort of
sitting it out for a minute, you know, while the
two of them are going at it and he's so
focused on himself, which is so wild. And again that's
what influencers are, like, now, that's what these guys do.
They're like some of this content that pops up on
my Instagram, it's like just them flexing and then smiling.
I'm like, that's your video, Like, that's it right, it's

(49:38):
the Bateman effect. But I just love when one moment
in that sequence, Christie's just there lying down and just
like looking at him and judging him, and and then
he's like look at the camera and she's just like.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
She doesn't care whatever. And then it ends and you're
like okay, and then he's like we're not finished yet.
And then it like and I was like, oh, and
it doesn't show anything, and it's just like it just
quickly takes that turn of like, yes, we've got some
more to do.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
That was like a Gulf moment. Yes.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
And then they're leaving and you're like, oh, God, like
what you know?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
And that's surprise. That's still surprised surprising me. But when
I was when I first saw I was like, oh,
because by that point we already we saw him stab
the homeless man. We assume he killed that like pretty
woman walking down the street that like they're kind of
looking at each other and then they kind of walk
off together because then after that he's screaming at the
Asian laundromat owners because there's blood on his sheet, So

(50:34):
we can assume that that woman didn't make it right,
Like a lot of it is is sort of vague
where you're not sure.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Right, but here at this point too.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Yes, of course that's that's another Oh yeah, yes, that
is like super duper memorable. But yes, with this threesome, yeah,
it's been so fun and and strange. But now you
know they're just lying there in bed and also fun fact,
because this is my brain, you do see when Christian

(51:04):
Belle gets out of bed, he's fully naked. You do
see a little bit of danglies. You don't surprisingly see
it in the threesome scene, even though there's a shot
like from his video camera where like they're switching positions
and you you would think you would see it. I
honestly think they blurred it. There's nothing there. It's just
like a shadow or he's wearing just like a shadowy something.

(51:26):
But you do see a dangle when he gets out
of bed before he opens this scary drawer. We're not
yet cut to them leaving, and it is such brilliant
direction to follow them. We're not seeing their face right
away until Sabrina turns around, bloody nose, crying, scratched back right,

(51:47):
and we're like, and that that's almost that's definitely more
disturbing than seeing the bloody sheet, you know what I mean?
Oh God, he like did that to them and let
them live. And then then Christie, we don't, we can't.
We just see the back of her head. She just
rips the money out of his hand and keeps going.
You know. Yeah that was I remember like like getting

(52:10):
the seeing that for the first time.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Right, Yeah, very very spoaky. Yeah. I call it like
the junk drawer of a death, like his little drawer
and like death. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
It's so freaking because it's not just your typical knives.
It's like.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Clean, like that's the part, but you know there's not
a speck on them, like yeah, so uh. And then
of course we have to talk about the amazing scene
with Jared Leto that is iconic, like that is with
the he's putting the rain jacket and.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Then and how Jarlet goes is that a rain jacket?

Speaker 3 (52:49):
And he's just like and then he's just like dancing
around and like the moon walk? Did he yeah? And
Mary Harron was cracking up at.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
That, like, oh god, I did I do remember hearing that,
like she was cracking up. I read somewhere that like
they had to like shush her or else.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Like yeah, you know, funny, Like again, it is funny,
so funny. You know what's coming, and but it's still funny,
like his whole fucking spiel about Huey Lewis and the
music and the way he's moving and and he has
ah like his manners, like it's funny, but you know
he's having so.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Much right, he's having so much fun because Paul Allen
is wasted, like right, because even says like another martini, Paul,
like he got him liquored up, right, yes, And there's
newspaper on the floor. I love I love Paul's line
I love you.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
He's like, is there what's that on the floor?

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Like you just it, bro, he is gone.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
They don't notice anything, like just so, if anything, the.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Only thing Paul Allen noticed was that he hated the
restaurant because it wasn't busy, right, It's all about the
the the illusion.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Like, well, we're at this quiet restaurant.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Meanwhile, are you kidding a quiet restaurant? Yes, I don't
have to shout over people. We can actually like city immediately.
Right for me, that's VIP. I don't need to be
around a ton of other people. No way, no, thank you? Right, yeah, yeah,
that's a great And it's just also such brilliant acting

(54:24):
from from Christian the blocking where he's really good and
his hair is now sticking up and there's blood everywhere, right,
and what does he say? He says, this is where
I end the scene in the class, because we do
all this, I say, he says, try getting a reservation
at Dorsia, now, you bastard, right, because it's Dorsya. Dorsia
is like his his night, yes, because he just can't

(54:48):
get in there like Paul can, like others can. And
also it's just so funny to me because maybe also
living in New York and you know, living in cities,
it's like, who gives a ship? Just go to another restaurant, right,
there are many of them, but it's that thing that
he wants and can't have. And then later when Chloe,
when Jean's like, oh, I don't know, uh we go

(55:08):
to Dorsia, I like held my breath. I'm like too no,
And Christian is just so good because the way he's stiffened.
He's like, so Jeane wants to go to Dorsia and
he's like shit, you know, and that leads to him
wanting to basically kill her, you know, but she gets away.
Like we were saying that nail gun, right, whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
It's a nail gun, because that's how we allegedly he
killed his ex girlfriend. Right, That's about that. And it's
in the book too. It's very very graphic in the book.
I read a little some of the scenes. I was like, oh, yeah,
that's why I'm like, I don't know if I want
to read it, but like I'm not. Yeah, yeah, so
Gore is like not.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
My I know sometimes when it's it's so funny. I mean,
we we love.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Horror, and I can handle movies like the later.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
On, Yeah, those get to just.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Watched Parafire, the first one. The first one, I almost
turned it off. It's not my strawberry jail.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Oh, it's so much.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Yeah, there's a lot of it.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
I think. I think it's so strong because a lot
of the violence is implied or we just see little
glimpses of like yes, when the sex workers leave, you know,
it's it's just like, oh god, if we just see
that on their faces and shoulders, what else, you know.
So a lot of it's up here, which I think
that's when it's really disturbing.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Usually, Yeah, because in the book it's not. It's very
explicit what he does. So I think they did a
wise choice by kind of scaling it back for the movie. Originally,
I don't know if you read this, they were gonna
do it in ninety ninety one ninety two, starring Johnny Depp. Oh,
Johnny Depp was going to start in it. It was
going to be filmed in like black and white, which
I found interesting, okay, and then director Stuart Gordon was

(56:54):
originally okay, you know the name, I mean, I know
the name.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
I'll look him up there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
They wanted to do the film very closely to the book,
and it was going to be an X rating, like
they were kind of going for that, and then it
kind of it fell through because it's so hard to
get funding for a movie like that. You know, people
aren't gonna and especially I.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Mean ninety one was on top of the world hands.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
I mean like I couldn't see again. Johnny Depp's to
pretty boy, but not in use right. Christian Bale is
pretty but has that, like I said, reptilian.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yes, very intense angular look, yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Whereas Johnny Depp is kind of just especially ninety one,
he's very very pretty.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Very pretty him. And also again I just don't know.
I mean, Johnny's always been a babe, but I don't
know if his body could get to something like this.
You feel like, like you said, Patrick is so focused
on perfection in the look that he would look amazing,
best closed, best best hair right well, and.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Then a person who could get this body, and they
the next possible movie they were trying to make after
that first one fell through David Cronenberg, which I could
totally do in this movie was set to replace Stuart
Gordon and have Brad Pitt star. Oh and Brad Pitt.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Oh yeah, and we've seen Brad Pitt get a little off,
but he's he's very pretty, but he's got he can
turn on those crazy eyes. Yeah, we've seen that in
like twelve Monkeys, Monkeys, you know, even going back to
fight club like he killed us, you know, so I
could picture that. Out of all the other guys besides Christian,

(58:37):
I see Brad the most getting.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
The body and having that be able to admit that. Yeah. So,
but that also failed to get off the ground. So
then it kind of waited and then this kind of
researched a few years later with Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
It's funny how some movies just take a while and
have wild versions, different names attached, much like Barbie. Like
some big movies just like sit around for a while,
and that must be so frustrating, you know, and like
people come and go and it's like, you know, real quick,
Stuart Gordon, I just want to shout out. I'm like,
how do I know the name? Yeah, he did re Animator,

(59:10):
He did some eighties horror Reanimator, dolls, Pit in the
Pendulum in ninety one. Castle Freak, Oh my god, he
did Castle Freak in ninety five. Yeah, yeah, did you
ever see that one?

Speaker 3 (59:22):
No, I've heard it.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
It's like a it's like a real B movie. Oh
my god.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
I always do Amazon Prime, Like I think I just
watched Dolls recently. All I have to check that out.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
I watched it at a high school cast party after
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I have another friend who I had to have pop
in for this episode, and that's my new hand. I'm
your neighbor, Victoria Galvin, who has her Instagram page, paper
and screen, and here is what she has to say
about American Psycho.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Hi, this is Victoria. Thank you Mark for inviting me
to record a little clip to commemorate the twenty fifth
anniversary of American Psycho. Such an iconic film. And you know,
as a Tom Cruise fan, I have to mention Tom
Cruise here because famously Christian Bale based his performance at
least partially on Tom Cruise after seeing him on a

(01:00:28):
talk show and he said there was an intense friendliness
with nothing behind the eyes. But did you know that
in the nineteen ninety one novel Patrick Bateman has an
interaction with Tom Cruise in an elevator. It's this awkward
little moment. It's very short, but he says, I really
like your movie Bartender, but he means Cocktail, and then

(01:00:48):
Cruse correct him and says it was Cocktail, huge movie
nineteen eighty eight, like very big movie at the time.
I really like it. But anyway, I just think that's
kind of funny. And I guess there was some talk
of having Tom Cruise do a cameo in the movie,
but that didn't happen, and the director Mary Heron was like,
there's no way he would have been wanted to have
been associated with this, but based on some of Cruise's

(01:01:11):
career choices, I think he could have maybe, but a
cameo is really not super his style. But anyway, I
just had to share that little piece of Tom Cruise trivia.
And if you'd like to follow me, I post about
Tom Cruise movies and books, and my Instagram is Paper
and Screen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
I know my behavior can be erratic sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
I did like the bathroom scene with Lewis when he's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Like gloved hands around it is kind of freaky, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
It's like, like you said, and then Lewis is like, hello,
and that does happen in the book. Also, like I
don't know, it's not in the and I was reading
about it's like in a different setting but the same idea.
Lewis like luss after Patrick and Patrick. But I just
love Christian Bale's face and like he's just like like, oh,
I gotta go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
And Lewis cannot read the room. Yeah, and he doesn't
hurt him because he's he's so grussed out, which is awful.
You know, he's just so shocked and embarrassed. Yeah, it
is funny how like they do say like the F
word a few times in this movie. They're they're they're
a bit home is it? They're luckily more oh god.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Really racist, like super they toned it down for the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
So that's funny because one of his first lines in
the movie he says, let's knock off. He says about
anti Semitism. He says to the guys like basically, let's
stop the the anti Semitic remarks, shall we? So like
it's kind of funny because it's like, oh, so he
knows what's right and wrong, but he's just like right, Luckily,
the guys aren't mean to Lewis, Like they're all kind

(01:02:59):
of like rolling their eyes at him.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Like but tolerate. But again they just they're also self obsessed.
They're just like whatever, Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
I'm glad, you know, but yeah, he's grossed out. And
it's just so funny how Lewis is like I've been watching,
I've been like looking at you, and I see how
you look at me and so totally wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
It's like he just slowly backs.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Up, which makes it so so much funnier, right, and
like funny right, yeah, And that's one of two times
we hear the iconic line.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
I have to go return some videos and videotapes, which
I still use to this day, Like it's so outdated
with videotapes, like I got to return to videos.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
It's such a great line because it was funny then
and it's become such a meme, you know, it becomes
a thing that and then later he says it to
Evelyn when he breaks up with her, I have to
return some videotapes, which as I'm watching going back to
Legally Blood, I'm like, the same thing happens at the
start of Legally Blunt. She gets he gets broken up
with at the restaurant by like, right, yea, so funny too.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
I love the lines that where oh yeah, he's like
I wrote it down. He's like, he's like, uh, time
to I want to break up And she's like, well,
your friends are my friends and my friends are your friends,
so I just don't think this is gonna work something.
It's just so funny. But again she's so vapid and
he actually said like he says, my need to engage
in homicidal behavior on a massive scale cannot be corrected,

(01:04:21):
but I have no other way to fulfill my needs.
And she's like, uh, no one's listening to anything. Anyone's done.
That's a funny scene, the quote breakup scene and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
She says like you're inhuman but like she's she's It's
what's great about some of this dialogue is the double entendres,
right yeah, And especially also with Chloe seventy a two
where she's in the scene where Gene is at the
house and they just heard Evelyn on the voicemail and
she's like, I guess I should go or do you
want me to stay? And he says I think it
was like I think if you stay, something bad will happen,

(01:04:56):
and so she's thinking that as oh, yeah, like we're
going to get it on and you're to upset Evelyn.
I better go. He's like, no, you will like die
in like five minutes from now, you know what I mean.
But there's a few moments, especially with Evelyn and with Jeane,
where the dialogue is just so great where there's the
double meanings, you know, right, because even in that breakup scene,

(01:05:17):
she's saying things and he's like, you're not getting it,
you know, because.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
She's drawling the picture of the lady getting again, nobody notices,
like there's so no one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Notices until Jeanne looks through his planner, right, which is
a great moment.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
And she's meant to be the only character of substance
in the whole movie, because you think about it, she's
not really into the materialistic shit. She's not really into
the need to be seen shit. You know, she's took more.
So that's why she is literally the only character of
the entire movie to realize Patrick's arrangement, to realize, oh,
he's like dangerous, you know, notice it. And and then

(01:05:54):
she sees the book, which is touching someone realized, Yeah,
she's only one because she's only character.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
And another great thing about casting is, I mean, Chloe's
Chloe Sevnier is like what a goddess. Always loved her,
but you know, she's not conventionally beautiful. She's not like
a bombshell, she's not recenton, she's not a few of
these women, you know, a few luckily, like there are
some interesting faces here. But out of all the women,
you know, besides Christy and like Chloe, you know, everyone's

(01:06:25):
pretty pretty. So Chloe, Chloe is sort of like the
girl that the guys make fun of, because I even
wrote it down. The guys say there is no such
thing as a girl with a good personality, and they say,
like the only ones with talent are ugly because they
have to overcompensate because of their looks. Right, so here's Chloe,
who obviously is beautiful, but like, you know, dressed down,

(01:06:48):
looks a little more normal, not so glam she And
then also when you think of Lewis, out of all
the men the guys are like pretty attractive, he's kind
of like, you know, yeah, looking like kind of funny.
You know, he's not handsome in that way, right, So
it is interesting that those two pop out for different

(01:07:09):
reasons from the rest of the the you know, and
like you even you know also not only Jeane kind
of being the normal one. But I do have a
soft spot for what's her character's name, it's she's played
by Samantha Mathis who they're having an affairs name. It's
some fun little little women. She plays older cures and

(01:07:32):
dunst right, but like she and I forgot because the
last time we see her is when she says, if
I don't see you before Easter, have a good one.
But I, I mean we it's implied that she kills
herself or will but for some reason in my head,
I thought someone mentions that someone says, oh my god,
she died, but I guess she didn't, and we just

(01:07:53):
don't see her again. She's always high on something, but
she is vapid but can kind of see through it
a little bit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
But she's so drugged, like always on some anti psychotic.
That's when he's here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
X and you know, so right, and like when they
go out to dinner, she slumps in her seat and
he's just like he's like rolling his eyes, but he's like, well,
at least I'm like out at this restaurant.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
He's like, she's like a means to an end. So yeah,
she's sort of a tragic character because if she I
kind of think or wonder, if she wasn't so depressed
and high, could she maybe see some of the reality,
you know, we don't know, maybe or maybe she's just
like Evelyn and all the others, you know, and these
models and everything. So yeah, it is pretty cool how

(01:08:38):
Jeane can tell the can see the truth and literally
is opening up the book of truth here, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
The Book of Truth. Yeah, it really is. So that's
a really good scene too, Jean.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Yes, Patrick, do you like to accompany me at dinner?

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
And then just the whole fucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
And I was gonna say, I think that brings us
to the ending. So before we moved to Amityville, we
gotta we gotta talk about So, like things start ramping up.
He's carrying more people, right, he has this gun. We
don't know really how he has a gun, but he's
shooting this old woman at the ATM. He's shooting a
security guard. He's now having a shootout with the cops.
Which that's when I.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Remember Barnet blows up and he looks at his gun
like yes, like he's realizing. This is when he's realizing
like this isn't oh, he's like the delusion exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
And that's when normal. I think that's when the audience too,
is because you know, Okay, he's just shooting. He's really unraveling.
He's shooting this woman. Okay, someone's gonna hear the gun shot.
He's shooting the security guard.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
But once he's having this shootout, that's when I'm like, Okay,
this movie's becoming something else, right, I remember like seeing
it that way, and then the explosion, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
I'm like huh. And that's when you know, oh, this
isn't real because it's so and even he knows it,
like he looks at the gun again, which is hilarious
the way he's like, what the fu Yes, and the
gun has endless bullets as well, so it's like ninety
seven booths. So that's when you realize like, oh, we've
now entered were like fantasy, like this is so then

(01:10:11):
it presents did he is this all in his head?

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Right? What is real? What is fake? Is right? And
that leads to that great monologu where he's on the
phone with his lawyer as like they're doing like a
search light on him, like in the office. Which also
I remember like as a kid, I'm like, wait, what's
going on? Like it took me a while, but I'm like,
this feels so unreal, and obviously it is. You know.

(01:10:36):
It's so he's confessing. He's talking about all the things
he's done. He can't even remember. I wrote down the
line I've killed twenty people maybe forty. Yeah, okay, quite
a gap, right, yeah, right, just to kill a lot
of people.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
So that scene where he confessed it took fourteen takes
to do that because she kept having him do it
again and again, because he would get more and more
frantic each time. So's I want more.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
I keep going like I want more, And you can
hear little hints of his real accent come out a
little bit, because I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
It's so hard to cover that up. Yeah, which one
fact of his accent. He at the end when they
finished wrapping up and he was like talking to the
crew and he was with his accent. They all were like, oh,
are you practicing for your night? They thought he was
an American. They're like, oh, you're practicing an accent for
another movie, like I guess you run from Wales.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
They didn't know character the entire time, including the accent,
which is you want for practice anyway? Yeah yeah, yeah,
was a cute little fun fact, but yeah, yeah. So
and then it jumps to he's at the restaurant the
next day with his boys, right, and he's like kind
of dishovel, pushing his hair back like okay, okay, okay,
and then he runs into that lawyer Carns or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Oh you know what I think before that, That's what
it was. I think before that. In between, he goes
his apartment which is so clean and empty and new looking,
and that is so it's still kind of confusing to me,
where I'm like, wow, wait, so all those bodies were
not there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Well, theories, so theory, what do you what do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Tell me?

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
So there's a couple of theories on that. So one
theory which I found very interesting and I never thought about,
was that so when he goes in that realtor is
there and she's like, do you have an appointment? He's
like no, and then he immediately turns suspicious and she's
like or about the ad, like, oh, did you find
the ad in the paper? He's like yeah, that's it,

(01:12:36):
and she's like there was no ad. You need to leave,
like I don't want to any trouble. That turns so
that indicates potentially that that she and the realder group
found the apartment, cleaned up the bodies and everything, didn't
tell anything to the police. That whole idea of we
need to cover this up because this is crime real
estate and a murder would would lessen the value. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:13:01):
and everything in this vapid society, you know, is greed, money,
making money, who gives a shit about human life, gives
a shit about any you know, So that they cleaned
everything up clean, you know, blah blah blah, and you
painted it and they're selling it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
And I love that theory. That's what I first thought
when I when I first saw this movie, It's like,
oh it did she because it's also so like that
scene is so like Lynchian. It's so David Lynch yes quiet,
and he's confused and she's backing up and it's like, wait,
what's going on? So okay, yeah, that's one thing. So
the theory one is like, none of that happened. The

(01:13:39):
place did not look like how it did when Christy
was running through it with all this blood everywhere. So
that's one too, is that actually it was like that
everything hired cleaning. People thought him dumped him.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
In the river or whatever, right, his imagination playing tricks
on him. The apartment was always empty, there were never
any murders, and maybe Paul Allen didn't even live there.
So that's you know, but that's it's very it's very
interesting because we.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Then find out a little bit later with the boys,
his lawyer says, I just had dinner with Paul Allen
twice in London ten days ago.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Yeah, oh so yeah, like yep. Theories on that. Oh
so the whole idea of mistaken identity being a big
theme in the movie and the book. So one theory
kind of going with mistaken idea identity, which the lawyer
calls him Davis and he's like, why was a big
gatement He's so spineless, and he was like, but I'm

(01:14:33):
you know, he was calling him Davis. So the lawyer
one theory is he never had lunch with Paul Allen.
He thought it was he thought it was it was
someone else mistaken identity. Right, Yet other theory being you
know that Patrick Bateman never killed Paul Allen. He mistake
Paul Allen for someone else he killed.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
That's a theory I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
I thought that thought it was an It wasn't. And
then the other theory is that again it's all in
his head, you know, never killed him. The murders aren't real. Right, Well,
there's no theories on that, so kind of looking at right,
this is what I was doing Saturday for like two hours,
Like theis theory theories.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
I have all the characteristics of a human being, but
not a single clear, identifiable emotion. I simply am not there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
But I think, going with what I read from Mary
Herron and the author, you know they both, it really
is he did commit all these murders. But the book
is really about the shallowness of in that mindset of
yuppie America, you know, elite in the late eighties, especially,

(01:15:52):
greed is good money, money money, who gives your beat?
You know, everyone's the same, everyone's you know, everyone's self absorbed,
only care about themselves. So he's committing all these murders.
But everyone is so self absorbed that they don't care,
or they they see it, but they don't care. They
don't well, they don't notice it. It doesn't like get
the mixture of things. Yeah. Patrick says like he has

(01:16:14):
unhinged moments where he says crazy things in front of
his bros, in front of Evelyn, in front of her,
and they're all like okay, Like they either think he's
choking or they just don't even address because.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Even when he brings up like I think he brings
up ted Bundy to them as well, and they're.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Like ed Dean and he has that whole thing with
ed Gean. He's like, oh, and I wrote this. I
wrote this quote down too. I thought it was funny.
When he goes he's like put uh, He's like, oh,
ed Gane is a serial killer. And this is what
he said about women. When I see a pretty girl
walking down the street, I think two things. One part
wants me to take her out, talk to her, be
real nice and sweet and treat her right. And then

(01:16:51):
they're like and what about the other part. He goes
what her head would look like on a stick, and
and like you and they're like okay, but they do nothing,
they say nothing, and they move on and then.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
They move on and they're like talking about like what
are we doing for dinner?

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
What are we doing for dinner? With their reservation. So
I think the murders did happen. I do think he
killed all these people, but again it's it's that commentary
on just the shallowness of that society at the time,
and just a satire, a satire about how shallow and
everything and self absorbed and obsessed with money and greed
and nobody cares. So he's doing all this and nobody

(01:17:31):
gives a ship, so.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
The okay, So then you think he did kill all
these people. Did he Paul Allen or did he confuse?
No think with those details.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
I think he killed Paul Allen. And I think the
lawyer thought he had lunch with Paul Allen and it
wasn't Paul Allen. Because again, I really it's this whole
concept of mistake and identity. Everyone's a cookie cutter of
each other.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
No one actually cares about each other, and everyone looks
so much.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
More, but they don't. Like As viewers, we see the difference,
like this is clearly not Paul Allen, that's clearly, but
we're not, you know, they're so self absorbed and so
self obsessed that they just, yeah, what's kind of my take?

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
YEA, love it because it can go Maybe that's why
it still is sort of confusing me, because it can
go a few different It's like choose your own yes, adventure.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
You know, it's a little ambiguous. It's still debated. But
I think Mary Haron did say that she felt that
was the one thing she had kind of failed in
the film, is that she the ending was so extreme
that she really it really pushed it a little too
far in her opinion, to indicate that he it was
all in his head. And she was like, that's not
really what we wanted to be more ambiguous, and the

(01:18:46):
author said the same thing, like he really it really
is that he did kill these people, but it's a
commentary on again a society at the time, so that
was where and I agree, And she was like, yeah,
that's kind of where I felt I failed, is that
I pushed it too far at the end with the
with the psychosis and it's all on his head and
it's all a dream, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
The only thing is if he killed a lot of
these people, like who who cleaned up like Christie's body,
like you know what I mean, like, that's the thing,
so maybe that's the realtor.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Or again like if you're maybe that was money.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Yeah, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
But like those those sex workers, we always you know,
I listened to a lot of true crime podcasts and
they're always that. They call them like they're less dead
because they're less important. They're you know, so that again
it goes with how actual society is even nowadays. But
forget about it. They were less important. They were drug addicts.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Oh yeah, you're right, so many serial killers went after them,
like list Long Island zero, I mean yeah, yeah yeah.
Because then also going back to the chase, it is
so crazy to me that not one person like owens
their door, but it was the me decades. So it's like, yeah,
in a way, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Not everyone's disconnected. Nobody can.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
So that's one of my take. People that watched or
watched and or listen to this, I'd be interested in.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Your I know, right, because well everyone can.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
I'm veryly curious to see if people are like, no,
I think this right, It's it's a great.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Movie to discuss. For sure. I'm so happier here. And
I'm going to quote the last line, because I do
feel like the last few seconds are a little frustrating,
but I guess that's part of the fun. So he
says that this is what Bateman is as he's looking
around at this nice bar of people he's observing and
like his whole voice over throughout for even from the start,

(01:20:36):
going back to his like routine, right, it's always about
like how he's slipping. He's barely human. He looks like
a human, but he could. He only has emotions like
greed and and like anger or something you know, like,
so he's not fully there, right, So he says, I
want no one to escape. There is no Catharsis, I

(01:20:56):
gain no deeper knowledge of myself. And the last line
of the movie, this confession has meant nothing right, right,
So it's like and even as I read it, I'm
still like wait, what, No, don't exactly, So, I mean,
I think it's it's brilliant, probably that I've seen this
a bunch of times and it's so good, but still
the ending kind of annoys me, Like what does what

(01:21:19):
does that mean? This confession?

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
There's no closure, there's no like, yeah, we don't have
a true answer. And it goes with the whole theme though,
like it's meant nothing moving on. Where do we get reservations?
You know? Right? It could be he did murder people,
but then when the movie starts, that's when it's fantasy,
so that like, yeah, he talks about many murders prior

(01:21:40):
to the movie. You're so right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Yeah, once he pulls his skin off, it's kind of like,
are we really kind of losing it?

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
Like now now it's kind of that deterioration, you know,
because yeah, he's he's definitely got some mental illness is going.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
On, and either he got away with it or he
is crazy, and what is he going to do? He's
just going to continue being crazy, so yeah, okay, right, Yeah,
it's like, no matter what life is going on, he's
I guess he's lucky or unlucky, depending how on how
you view it, but he's not going to do anything
other than what he does.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
You know. Yeah, maybe he'll eventually get those reservations at
Dorseya though.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
I maybe wouldn't that be so funny? Oh my god, Katie,
we should there should be someone Okay copyright if you
do this, you have to give me credit. There needs
to be a video of like an American Psycho sequel,
which there there was.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
There was. Yeah, I watched it. I didn't rewatch it,
but I watched it when it first came out, and
I'm like, this is like really bad?

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Is it really bad? Yeah? You could tell. I remember
that was at the video store, at Blockbuster, at Hollywood
Video and US on Prime. Yeah, it's a paramount plus. Yeah,
I saw it right next to him, like, oh Meela,
Oh god. I mean maybe some night with a good
a good stiff drink, maybe I'll put it on.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
But no, what was it? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
No, someone needs to make a video of like a
sequel spoof of American Psycho where once he finally gets
his Dorsier reservation, then he like snaps out of it
and he's like oh and becomes a normal guy, moves
to the suburbs, never kills ever again, and he finally
got what he needed.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
And he's btk. He just goes underground and for thirty years.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
And then he you know, not care because he realizes
the food probably sucks. H oh, and then he just
totally changes and he becomes a normal nice guy. Right,
we gotta I gotta make that video.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Dorsia is the key, right, dorsia.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Oh my god, so funny, and it's so funny speaking
of food. One last thing I'll say is speaking of
the restaurants in the city. I remember when I moved
to New York. This was not in eighty seven, of course,
this was in two thousand and six, I think, yeah,
two thousand and six. I remember my parents bought me
the same book that he has when he's there, was
like a restaurant book called Zagat I think it was

(01:23:58):
called where it had all the restaurants of town. This
was before Google. So it's so funny seeing him holding
that book and be like, oh my god, like my
parents bought that book for me, as if I could go.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
To these restaurants, I know, could have any money.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
It was. It was basically like the phone book, you know,
for restaurants basically, and like ratings and like some like
key dishes they served. So silly, what a different it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Oh my god, I'm so funny. What do you do?

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
I'm into, uh, well, murders and executions mostly. So it
estimated Christian Bale spent forty of the movie shirtless. In
his underwear were naked.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Wow, it's funny. That's a lot, but it doesn't feel
like that, I know, right, wow, I know, well we thank.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
You very ch are so memorable, so like we forget
he is closed a lot in those like suits.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Of stuff, right yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Yeah yeah, So that definitely I thought that was well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
That is that's my kind of fun fact. Yes, love it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Yeah, and that Christian Vale actually did follow that morning
routine everything that Patrick he thought, the skin routine, the hair,
the workout, like he did that workout.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Yeah, he says he can do a thousand crunches and
then oh another speaking of crunches, God, that was disturbing
that quick Texas the ending of Texas Chainsaw on the
TV and he's he's like violently working.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Out like yeah, it's so disturbed and workout like oh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
I don't think I've ever been able to do crunches
that fast. But whoa, like how Yeah, that's just a
wild moment to me. But yes, absolutely that was a
good one. Yeah he can. He follows that character's routine
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
Kind of foretold what was gonna like foreshadowing with the chainsaw.
So absolutely, and that when they were filming that first
shower scene with Patrick Bateman, all the women on the
set gathered to watch and washes wash himself. I just
put L O L after that. That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Oh, I mean, come on, they're only human and so
his naked bob. I'm just like that. The SuDS, the
soap SuDS are perfectly placed on this body. I'm like, right,
it's so fun. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
And then also, not only did they have a woman directed,
but Mary harm is also pregnant, and Witherspoon was pregnant too.
She was a females pregnant.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
I do remember Reese wo So he.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
Had a pregnant woman directing, and the critics were kind
of funny and they were like, yeah, it's a book
written by a misogynists turned into a movie made by feminists.
So that's why I think it worked and did as
well as it did in terms of critics and words
and accolades, and we're still talking about it twenty five
years later. Yeah, because it have been just a schlocky

(01:26:42):
terrifier type movie where.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Totally or even worse, it could have been boring or
to not so fun, which I know that's such a
weird word to say for this movie, but it is
so fun, you know. Yeah, Because it could have gone
so many different ways, but you hit it on the
head the way it's able to shift from funny to
like awkward to you can you can feel like something's

(01:27:07):
gonna happen and then no, ship. You knew what was
gonna happen, but you didn't know when or how. And
it does happen, right, It really takes you on a ride.
So and I did read you probably saw this. The
biggest line item on the budget, what they spent the
most on was the soundtrack where the song.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
Yes Yes, and it makes sense because they really they Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Although it's funny, I completely forgot he talks about the
greatest love of all from Whitney Houston completely.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Forgot to have any of her songs on the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
She like they talk about and you can. I'm pretty
sure you can hear just like some of the notes,
like like under it, not any lyrics, not her voice,
just some of that underscore, which is interesting. But yeah,
I guess she was told this movie is too hardcore.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
You're not going to say yes, I don't want to
be attached to this. Yeah, that's interesting, I get it, but.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
I completely forgot he talks about her in this movie,
and that going back to the writer actor Guinevere How
she's like laughing, like you own Whitney Whitney Houston CD.
Like that is a really funny like we'll sit there
right because here's this, It's just funny. He's so what's
great is we still can't really like peg him down,
you know, because he's this macho dooche. But then he's

(01:28:24):
like he listens to like such mainstream kind of cheesy
pop like yeah, and one one last thing, the opening.
I still have never really seen the show, which is
absolutely crazy, but I know the opening well, but the
opening of this movie with the white and the drops
of what we think is blood but it's not, gives
me dexter, you know, the TV or white with like

(01:28:46):
ripping and it's kind of faking you out. And with this,
you know, raspberries and sauce for for a fancy restaurant,
you know all that, but just make that comparison, Okay, now, everybody,
we are gonna you know, we won't go as in depth.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
And also you can't really.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Right, it's a nice fun popcorn movie, you know what.
I love this remake.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
I think it's great.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
I think I think it's a really fun movie. And
like I mean I know it didn't get great reviews
back in the day, but I mean it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Gives you everything you need, right, a fine movie.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
You know, it gives me the job. I remember I
jumped a few times. We'll talk about some moments like,
I mean, some good visuals, some good t you know,
shot really well, some like on the ceiling and you know,
stuff like that. But everybody, we are now going to
April fifteenth, two thousand and five. So five years after
American Psycho came out, the Amityville horror remake was out.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
This is an amazing house.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
You're going to love.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
It was the deal of lifetime.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
So what's the cash?

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
There was a crime, a murder in the house.

Speaker 5 (01:30:00):
Several people at family plays.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
You heard voices coming from within the house. Are you
talking to figure out a little my client? What's her name?

Speaker 4 (01:30:19):
Jilly?

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
I'm pretty sure? Did you say? You also not only
rewatched this a couple of days ago, you rewatched the original.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
I watched them back to back because that was just
an all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
I still have never seen the original. I've seen I
know it's not wild.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
I know it's a class in nineteen eighties. Came out
in nineteen seventy nine. I should have maybe done an
anniversary for both, but you're right, yeah, well it's.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Also funny because this the original came out a year
before The Shining, but The Shining is the way more
famous and beloved movie about a man trying to kill
his family, right, Like, it's funny, very very much story,
you know, just different settings, different details. So it is
funny how the original Amityville isn't as highly regarded and

(01:31:03):
a lot of people I was looking online, I was
like looking to see what people say. A lot of
people think the original is so boring, So what do
you think? Do you like them? Which Bryan?

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
I prefer Ryan Reynolds of course. You know though James
Rowlands good looking. He has like a hot little dog
that dad bought in, you know, I mean he does
He's not He's not, He's like not Ryan Reynalds. But yeah,
you could tell he's like he's keeping himself in Jake.
But I prefer the Ryan Reynolds one. The original Amandeville

(01:31:33):
is fine. I read a review on this one the
two thousand and five It was like a Soso remake
from a Soso original, and I was like, I kind
of agree with that. It's not it's kind of slow.
They definitely it's longer. So this one is a good
it's a nice, crisp ninety minute, right, I love, I
love you know some of these movies it's like, we

(01:31:55):
don't need five hours to where as the original is
two hours. So the is there are more characters. There's
like her aunt is a non that comes in the picture.
There's like these friends that come and visit. So there's
just more characters in the older one. Yeah, so it's slow.
There's the bleeding walls. You know, they do so I

(01:32:19):
didn't read the book, but they want to read the book.
I know, I know, even though we know it's all fake,
and I know, right all the controversy of like you know, yeah, unfortunately,
but you know, not surprised. People are gonna people, right, So,
so you know they have the Josie, the pig with
the glowing eyes. You know, in the original, it's it's
very quick. They don't do too much.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Think yeah, there's none of that in the remake, right, No,
they they.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
Have a Josie character and then one Yeah she's not
a real a real character or character. She wasn't one
of the real DeFeo children, so they kind of added
her in. But Josie was the name of the evil
pig demon pig thing. And yeah, there's a lot of
stuff with flies. It's okay. I mean, you know, I

(01:33:08):
I enjoy a nice seventies eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Yeah, atmospheric, you know. Yeah, Margo Kidder are black Margo
her do more horror and this. And it's funny because
Black Christmas is probably the better movie than Amityville at
the time, was the best, was the more popular.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Well received I think where Yeah, Black Christmas is way better.
And like Margot k she's so good in that as
you know, that was my little blur. She's my spirit animal,
her character. She's more fun in that movie. This movie,
she's more serious for sure. Yes, it's okay. I would
recommend watching it. Now. The sequels get real fucking crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
There's the one that the Alamo Draft House Theater would
show a clip from where it was like their whole
like bit on like don't talk, don't text, or like
you'll turn into this. But it's like a kid I
think gets really big, gets like almost like honey, I
blew up the kid in like Amityville three maybe or

(01:34:10):
one of.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Them Amityville two. There's two and it came out like
eighty two, and then amity Amityville, Amityville three d D.
Everything was fucking three D in the eighties, like they
had that time of five years right like Jaws three D, Amyville.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Three I remember jos three D ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
So the sequels are really crazy. And then they had one.
I don't know. If you look kind of Amazon, there's
called Amityville Vibrator.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
What isn't an actual Amniville comedy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
It's a horror comedy. I didn't. I looked. I started
cracking up. Looks at IMDb. It's on there. It came
out recently and I was like, what should I watch it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
Oh my god, you're right from twenty twenty twenty to
a perfect house into a perfect family.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
It's a town as we all know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Yes, And I our friend Seesi and I went years ago.
We went out to Long Island. We went to the
house and they changed they changed part of the house.
But if you go from what I remember, if you
go on the other side of it, it's right on
the water, like like the movie. If you go on
the other side of it and like really look or
like bring binoculars. You can see I believe, I hope

(01:35:18):
I'm not making this up. I'm pretty sure you can
see the eye windows on that side, but the side
that's easiest to drive by.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
They changed that purpose because people are just you know,
people are gonna people like people were coming up on
the lawn. People are doing like picnics on the lawn. Yeah,
you know, I can't have nice things. So that the
owners now are like, we're just changing it up completely,
which I completely understand.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
Yeah, it makes total sense for sure, and also hopefully
like change up the house a bit to maybe like
get rid of some spirits maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Yeah, I mean, if they are real, well, right, there's
probably some bad energy, but the last few occupants have
said they haven't seen anything or felt anything or heard
anything supernatural or anything. There's been a so roll owner
since the right Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Yeah, I feel like I read it was for sale
a few years ago. I think the current owner has
only been in there for a for a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Yeah, the house did change it up, and yeah, and
I did he I.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Did read and you maybe saw this too, that the
address I don't know if it's the same address in
the original movie, but the address In this remake, they
changed it by a number just so that it doesn't
reignite interest in going. Yeah, because that's something you and
I want to do. Okay, let's go right. Yeah, there's

(01:36:36):
a place on.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
I want to sit until you Yeah, any time I
see Ocean Avenue, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Yep. So did you know, like the creepy stuff that
was happening on this movie set for the Remax?

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Did you hear that?

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
So the show I used to work on Everybody years ago?
This episode aired right before I joined the show. But
Celebrity Ghost Story had Melissa George, who I love. I
kind of forgot.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
I love her.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
She's so beautiful, she's a good actress. I feel like
she's kind of like you know. But we had her
on and she was talking about all the weird, creepy
things that were happening. Now. They didn't shoot this, of course,
at the house. They didn't even shoot it in New York.
They shot the movie I believe in Wisconsin, I think, yeah,
randomly right near where the real George Lutz I believe

(01:37:25):
was from. It was from that part of Wisconsin, So random, right,
But she noticed, and you probably say this too, she
like noticed weird things got really weird vibes every now
and then this house that they were in that they
built the facade onto it with the eye windows, that's
obviously not the house, so like, you know, they added
to it. But once they added to it, she said,

(01:37:46):
weird things were happening. Which I love this stuff because
like the Exorcist, weird things were happening. Poulter, guys, you
know some of these are cursed movies, right. So luckily,
from what I remember, I started watching a little bit
of the Episode's free on YouTube everybody, if anyone want
to watch Melissa George Celebrityhot Stories. She's in the same
episode as Beverly DiAngelo and Sally Struthers. Just letting you know,

(01:38:07):
the whole whole trio. The real Kathy Lutz died like
as soon as they started filming, and that was kind
of weird, like died suddenly.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
And George died in two thousand and six, So I
wonder Kathy they were filming, oh four or five. Yeah,
so Kathy died.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Soon after, right, so soon.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
Before, right, Yeah, George died soon after.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Soon after the movie was out. Yeah, So she died
as they started really getting going with filming, which was weird,
like a sudden I think Melissa George says in the
episode like she was only like fifty seven, so she
was very young to die on the blue So that
was spooky, right, And then every now and then the
set would get very cold, much like what really happens,
like in the middle of the night, you know, at

(01:38:48):
three fifteen am. And and she said, a lot of
crew members, it's in the crew notes, because you know,
you have to do the daily notes. People would feel
like they were I just banged into my microphone. They
would feel like they were being pushed by something, and
she would see shadows and she said it would get
really really freaky in that house. So that's just really interesting.

(01:39:09):
I mean, I'll admit hopefully I don't get sued. I mean,
some of those celebrity ghost stories weren't totally real, So
maybe that was the producers just saying like, yeah, like,
why don't you add something about like people being pushed? Right?
Who knows if any of that's real. I assume a
colonel of it Israel or else.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Certainly they kept waking up at three, like a lot
of the crew members, And.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
Isn't that wild that like they were not the house.
But it's as if the spirits knew me, right, yes,
saying these names, saying like Ronald de Fayo, saying George Lutz,
Kathy LUTs like maybe that. Just now I'm getting spooked. Okay,
I don't want to send their names anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
Right name you see behind me? Well, I guess I'm
going to Well.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Oh, I forgot to ask you since we're talking about
another movie in your own words, even though it's pretty obvious,
what is the Amityville Horror about? Do you want to explain?
For anyone who's living under a rock.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
Never even heard of this. So it is about a
haunted house. So it opens nineteen seventy four, November thirteen.
So it's based on a very true, very tragic crime.
Ronald de Fayo shot and killed six member of his
of his family all one night at around three am.
Allegedly he really did it. It's alleged at three am,

(01:40:29):
but I think they did time that with the death
that it is three am, so that all happens. And
then about a year later, in December nineteen seventy five,
George and Kathy LUTs move into the house. It's a
deal of a lifetime because the house is so cheap.
For all those reasons, however, fun facts still wagh out
of their budget, and I think that's why they cooked
up this whole thing. But anyway, lay their budget, the

(01:40:50):
house was like eighty grand and their budget was like
thirty to fifty grand. So anyway, so so funny. Yeah,
so I think they were underies. Yeah, yea. So they
move in with their three kiddos and their dog, Harry,
haunted Shenanigans allegedly ensue and then twenty eight days later

(01:41:12):
they flee the house and never to return. And yeah,
so that's what that's about.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
And it goes back to Sondra Bullock in twenty eight days.
Oh yes, exactly right, not even a month, or if
it's February, a month. But no, I think they moved.
I believe the story goes they moved in December at
the end of.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Setember seventy five. The murders took place in November thirteenth,
nineteen seventy four. Oh okay, about a year later.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
A year later.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
So they fled and then they cooked up this whole story.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
And I meant to look this up and maybe I
know you were listening to some true crime podcasts that
were going into the story, which I I am so
excited to listen to myself. I wonder if because I
know in the state of New York realtors have to
divulge if a building is haunted. Not every state that's
legal and required, but in New York it is. So

(01:42:07):
I meant to look it up. Do you happen to know?
Have you heard did this kind of start that law?
Or maybe maybe the law already.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
Except know about the law. So there was that whole
thing off. Did they know? So they had looked at
like over forty houses and and everybody where. I'm getting
this information from Morbid. It's a wonderful podcast. The ladies
go do a deep dive into both the murder the
true crime of it in episode six h nine and
then six'. Ten it's the Whole amityville, hoax the whole,

(01:42:36):
logal double, episode double back to. Back they did it
back In, october and it's. FABULOUS i really listened to
it just to kind of prep for. This but SO
I i THINK i think they did the theory that
they did. Know here's the. Thing this was a mass
murder in the, seventies, right even though the seventies were
wild and there was all kinds of fucking serial killers

(01:42:57):
like everybody like it's, insane especially In, california it was
not fake back in the. Time they are From New.
York this was a huge. Story a bass. Murder six
six family, members four, children two. Parents the son you
know did it you, know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
He was what like twenty. Three he was like the eldest. Son,
yeah the eldest.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
Son he was you, know he was a piece of. Shit,
Right so so there's we. Did there's no way they
didn't know about, this like they could play. Dumb AND
i do believe that they were looking at a whole
bunch of houses and that they came upon AND i
think they were like, okay and you think do.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
You, think, yeah deep down they knew and they went
with the. House and what did they just want fame
or did they have?

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
Money because they tried to do like a book deal
and they and it like the one guy like fell
through and then there was suit lawsuits and then it's
all about.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
And they probably, knew you, know this would make a great, movie.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Like and it. DID i mean it came, out you,
know the book came out in what's seventy, SEVEN i,
believe and then movie came out seventy. Nine so the
book was very popular and everyone believed. It but then
as the years have gone, by we've discovered like more
more falsities and you, know but, hey it's a good
it's a fun.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
Story and, now even knowing that the book might just
be a make believe, NOVEL i really kind of want
to read. IT i feel like it'd be a, fun
pretty yeah like beat read or, something you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
Know and there's a lot of. Yeah so the book
deal went, through so they made some. Money hey look
through and you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
Might have seen. This even with this, remake there still
was controversy with rights and truth and everything because they
did not even get The lutzes.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
Permission And george tried to like, suit they tried to.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Really you, know WHICH i do have to, SAY i,
mean that is sort of. Strange BUT i guess because
they already it's probably was the same. STUDIO i don't
even know who made this, movie but same. STUDIO i
Know dimension so funny seeing The dimension, log you, KNOW
i know it's, them BUT i think it was someone.
Else to, ME i Guess Mirror max. Whatever but, yeah
it's just interesting they didn't have to like renew a

(01:45:09):
contract or. ANYTHING i guess they made the movie the original,
movie so they just held onto the rights maybe and
don't need. To but, yeah AND i read that even
when he died in two thousand and, six the dispute
never was. Resolved so it just sort of got dissolved
once he, died which is kind of shady movie. Studio but, yeah,
right they're just like just, like let the ghosts get

(01:45:30):
them and, uh off he goes and, anyway moving, on,
Right SO i thought that was like some, fun uh
sort of legal trivia that is surrounding this. Movie you
know this, Right it was a family lived some time.
Ago they had a similar.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
Problem i'll hear their.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
HOUSE i need to get out of. Here back everything
we have is.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
In this, House. Mummy there's theories and all, that but
there's no one, like, oh this is how he did.
It because he was on his he tried to claim
there was Other, oh my sister did, it and THEN
i killed her in, revenge and then that was actually

(01:46:17):
my mom and my, sister and THEN i killed them
and reve and then it was actually my sister and
two of her, friends he's piece of sh, it like
he makes. Up he changes the story every and then
the Whole oh the voices made me do. It that
was like they were, like no they. Didn't he's, like,
okay they. Didn't what does? Say, yeah, yeah because it's
the whole thing like. That it was On indian burial,

(01:46:39):
groundland like, yeah they, claimed, yes very polder, geist but
lets his. Claims they went to The Historical society and
found this out. Lies they they became members of the
society after they left the.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
House it was, WOW.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
I, KNOW i, KNOW i, know sorry, guys everyone that
thought it was. Real but and Then ketcham actually is
a real historical. Figure but it was like he left
he was extra, communicated, excommunicated.

Speaker 5 (01:47:09):
Ex, communicy extra extra ex community to be quiet stopping
so extra Catchum jesus with your magic and your devil.

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
Rate but, yeah he was like apparently into witchcraft or.
Whatever and that was the whole the ketchum like this and.
That you, know that's whole, bullshit you. Know so that's
that's where the truth. Stops he just LIKE i, said
the movie is, fun so.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
Fun it's fun to see Little Chloe grace moretts a. Cute,
yeah it's so. GOOD i mean some quick you know.
Moments maybe we'll save shirtless Uh Ryan reynolds for for
the grand, finale since we've been teasing him all the.
Time but LIKE I i FORGOT i love like the
rooftop stuff where up.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
There that was good BECAUSE i don't like SO i
definitely like ooh climbing up and you, know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
Well this was also kind of at the height of
the horror remix because you, know The Ring Texas. Chainsaw
we had some really great remakes this came. In then
they started to kind of fizzle a few years later
with Like memory And Old. Street but Like Michael, Bay
i'm pretty sure produced this one On friday the, Thirteenth
so this was like the height of that time where
we were getting the, slick kind of sexified you, know

(01:48:26):
really cool looking remakes you know that were very visual
right and real. Quick i'll just say the, DIRECTOR i
didn't really recognize, Him Andrew. Douglass this was one of
HIS i think first. Films. Yeah, yeah he Was british
and seemed to do a lot of music, videos.

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
Which is typical documentary right for horror.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Filmmakers you. Know written By Scott, kosar, who going back
To Christian, bale Wrote The, machinist a MOVIE i still
have never, seen.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Which is, good, Good it's very.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
Sad that's the really skinny.

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
One, yeah it's very disturbing in a different way Than American,
psycho very. Different that's him and transforming his body.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
Completely AND i forget Did The machinist come out After American?
CYCLE i think, IT i.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
Believe oh, okay, yeah, okay a few years on the. Date.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
Yeah and he also wrote or co wrote The Texas
Chainsaw massacre remake from a couple of years prior two
thousand and, three so he had some, good you, know
intense like screenwriting. Cred and then of course Here's Ryan,
reynolds WHO i believe five was like a big year
for him because he had just friends that later that,
year WHICH i, love what a good. Comedy but in
two thousand and, four that's really when we started to

(01:49:33):
see How Van wilder was getting real ripped Because trinity.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
He took guess who left school? Early and left school?
Early see that this. Girl it was.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
TERRIBLE i, Remember i'll never. FORGET i love that story
of you telling your your. Teacher you're, Like i'm, disappointed
but but he was a shining. Star, right he's shirtless
in that like you, know jail cell they have him
in or. Whatever then you know he's like kidnapped and
THAT'S i, Remember LIKE i was, like oh, ship who's
like that's fan because you know he. Wasn't he didn't
look like that a.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
Couple of years, prior probably the first MOVIE i. SEE
i Saw Van wilder After oh, okay that's LIKE i
must see.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
ALL i feel LIKE i first saw him In. Dick
he has a small role In dick With william not
not looking anything like, that AND i was, like, right
he's a little he.

Speaker 3 (01:50:27):
Had a glow up because kind of awkward looking a.
LITTLE i saw like some of his early when he
was like a.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
Teenager he was on A T G I F abc
sitcom and he was.

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
Guy's a girl in a pizza. Place yes he, was
and he's adorable and that so.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
Cute but, yeah he's a little softer and then seemingly
just like, overnight it's.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
Like whoa so definitely the body he has An amnivillees
From Blae trinity because they must have made him around
the same TIME i saw. That that was Like december
of two thousand and, four and then this came out
Age i'll tell you just a few months was packed
with teenage girls.

Speaker 2 (01:51:05):
Too i'm pretty SURE i saw it with a big.
Group we were seniors in high. School we weren't sadly
weren't in high school together BECAUSE i feel like we
would have seen. It BUT i feel LIKE i saw
it with like you, know it was one of those
times where we have like almost a full row of,
people like a lot of people from high. School AND
i remember the. CROWD i remember our, friends but like

(01:51:27):
the everyone like all male, female all voices were like,
shit like there was a. Body, yes it was like
like you could feel everyone changed in that moment where.

Speaker 3 (01:51:42):
Sexual awakening if they hadn't already, Right oh.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
YEAH i mean his. Body and it's also funny BECAUSE
i mean he looks he looks, young but he was
only like twenty seven when he filled, this which also it's, like,
wait he's a little young to have like this big.
FAMILY i, know like some of the kids are from
a preview or.

Speaker 3 (01:51:59):
Maybe all the kids from a previous, yes all from
a previous. Marriage, okay from a previous, marriage which is?

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
True is? True We Melisa GEORGE i, looked they're the same.
Age they're only two months, Apart Melissa georgia And Ryan
reynolds like together like PRETTY i know it's the, seventies
but they're pretty young to, have you. Know and also
just looking at, him but maybe because he's so, chiseled
it's like you were only twenty seven and And Christian
bale was, WELL i, Know Patrick bateman says twenty. Seven

(01:52:25):
he was running around that. TIME i, think, right so it.
Is and he also just seems older to, Me AND
i don't know what it is when sometimes like muscles
add like age like and not not, old but just
like you, know LIKE i would think you're like at
least thirty or something like you.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
Know lots as we're older in the.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
Story, Okay like, yeah like you said the pajama, pants
he's waking up at three fifteen, already that's, like oh
fan number two moments there we, go and that was, like,
yeah WHEN i around the house seeing like a beautiful
back and like the front is.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
Like and the and like and then Like i'm gonna
dive in the water.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Rewatching it, Today i'm, Like, okay when he comes out
of this, water they are going to do the baywatch
like lifting up, right they do. That they do it
for a brief. SECOND i thought they were gonna linger
a little bit. More then we cut. Too then we
get some real film. Making, yes he's, outside he goes
up the. Steps he's, outside glistening with the. Water everything

(01:53:32):
is just, shining, shimmering. Splendid then he sees his daughter
with the. Ghost oh he's running. Again those muscles are
flapping and he runs. Inside and now it's that this
was the real moment where now we just heard, like,
oh like people were just moaning in the. Theater they were, like,

(01:53:54):
oh you, know and he's just puffing and, puffing and everything's.
Glistening the water is not. Drying and those pants are
hanging on for they are like hanging on by his.
Pubes you, know they're.

Speaker 3 (01:54:08):
That LOW i put IN i put in. There the
wardrobe department deserves a no.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
Oscar and the. DIRECTOR i don't know if the director
is queer or if he just. Knew, listen we have
a beautiful man who is very. Popular all of a.

Speaker 3 (01:54:20):
Sudden it's so interesting with this. Movie he is, showcased not.
Usually the women are ny and there's.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
They have the little sex scene she's on.

Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
Top of more. Him it's WHICH i kind of love
because usually it's like all, titties.

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
Oh especially a movie like, this, right, yeah but but
this one.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
They're, like, no, ladies we know what we've. Got you,
go you're. Welcome we have.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
We don't see much of, him but we have the sex,
scene which it's it's a little it's, saucy, right and
then of course the whole middle of the night shirtless
when you, know this whole iconic. Moment then he's in.

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
The, bathtub that bat scene on A Teen Choice award
For Choice Scary Choice Movie Scary, Scene i'm like that
why it? Won it was that scary hoping thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
Girls, meanwhile, meanwhile in my, Notes i'm, like, Okay, like
as the ghost is like trying to drown him and grabbing,
Him i'm like me in two thousand and five trying
to Grab Ryan. Reynolds this is all of us in
the theater being, like, no let me do. It let.
Me AND i think that's it because then once he
starts really getting, crazy WHICH i do kind of like

(01:55:30):
how they make his eyes more bloodshot and.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
Dark, Interesting, yeah he wore contacts and it was kind
of a cool like his his. Deterioration so it's interesting
Both Patrick bateman And george lots deteriorating throughout The. Oh,
yes and but like my thing was, like did no
notice his?

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
EYES i, know well we can see him because at
Times i'm, like are they like getting black or is
that just.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
Like he wore contacts that were black to make his
eyes with. Blacker, yeah that is.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Funny how Like, Melissa george doesn't say, like, honey like
are you getting? Sleep like you look? Right oh AND
i forgot another shorter shirtless scene that. CAME i think
before the bathtub is the axe he's he's, chopping he's
chopping wood outside, shirtless and but it's very, brief ALTHOUGH
i feel like the pictures have lasted longer from that

(01:56:23):
then that it's very.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Part of history.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
Forever, Right oh my. God, yeah that's a good. ONE
i feel, like, yeah as he gets crazier and more,
evil the closes stay.

Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
On but at the end AND i put this at the,
end rain at the, end shirt sticking to him shirt.
Right all, right, ladies we know you want, more but
we don't want to be too. Gratuitous so we're gonna, rain,
rain and give him a nice litt white shirt just
a size too, small like a. MEDIUM i wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
If like the studio or producers just told the, director, like,
listen he tests really well with the, girl with the young.
Girls just make sure they are constantly. Enthralled if they
get bored or if it's too, scary just constantly either
he's shirtless or in very form fitting clothing that gets. Wet,
Right oh my, GOD i, mean, honestly they should have

(01:57:15):
Sold they should have made those pants and sold them in.
STORIES i those pajama, pants.

Speaker 3 (01:57:22):
Right pajama pan the pajama. PANTS i won't.

Speaker 2 (01:57:24):
Quit i'm he, yes his waist And Brad pitt's waist
and club and then With Christian, band.

Speaker 3 (01:57:33):
Just oh my, GOD i know it's a, lot LIKE.

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
I, know, Right, okay number, Three, okay So ryan gets
too fans the.

Speaker 3 (01:57:41):
Fan waves For ryan because it's it is like LIKE
i sent you that little blurb on my usual little
animal emoji, thing And i'm, like oh, yeah they knew
what they were doing with, this BECAUSE i remember there
being a lot of good shirtless, scenes BUT i was,
like this is very. GRATUITOUS i love. IT i am
here for. It it is very.

Speaker 2 (01:57:59):
Gratuitious oh, yeah we know what you're.

Speaker 3 (01:58:00):
Doing really, Okay SO i just Rewatched.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
Amityville that director they knew what they were.

Speaker 3 (01:58:09):
Doing there's so many gratuitous shirtless.

Speaker 2 (01:58:13):
Scenes we will discuss it's it's, great BUT i just
had a. Laugh oh, man very very. Hot, yes, yes, Siree.

Speaker 3 (01:58:23):
Bob and for ap psych, PROJECT i used a picture
from this, movie a picture Of george l like him
staring at the window and it was about like there's
a psychology class like depression and it was like but
it was like pediatric depression or. Something you can't. Remember
this is going back twenty, years but SO i have
a picture Of Ryan reynolds staring at the window looking

(01:58:44):
sad and like this stupid guy. WHATEVER i don't remember his,
Name phil or, whatever but, anyway he came up and he's,
like that's not a, kid And i'm, like why do
you mind your? Business that's the point Across. Phil, Yeah
and my Friend holly was there and she's, like mind your. Business,
YES i must have Y jackson suck Off.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
Phil my ap like, yeah. Yeah and it's funny because,
now twenty years, later because of the whole blake lively.
Stuff it's people are kind of not Liking ryan because
she inserted him into all the, drama you, know with the.
Director SO i don't, know it is oh, wow you
gotta watch my videos and all of TikTok and and you, know,
actually just this weekend we were WATCHING i think it's On.

(01:59:23):
Max there's like little one hour like documentaries to get
you up to. SPEED i think On hulu To Oh
My godless In Sanctify, george the babies that are seen
as really.

Speaker 3 (01:59:39):
Fun, true that's put in there.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
Random it's so like kind of. Schlocky you.

Speaker 3 (01:59:44):
Know Rachel, nichols what a.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
Babe you remind me of. HER i think she's such a.
Hotty oh, YEAH i feel like you two could be like. Sisters.
Yeah it's like the their the eyes like the.

Speaker 3 (01:59:55):
SAME i don't look in a belly shirt though like.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
THAT i mean.

Speaker 3 (02:00:00):
Maybe one day if the camera did like stay on,
her like, yeah that was a funny scene in the.
Sun they're, like you, said don't want a baby or
sitter and he's like that's, fine uh.

Speaker 2 (02:00:11):
Huh and she's so like. Abrasive she's like smoking in their,
house having way too much, fun telling them the, story you,
know so she kind of gets what she deserves like Little.
Jody although oh my, GOD i still Cringe joe the
girl the finger in her right down.

Speaker 3 (02:00:31):
There that was a good scary scene the. Closet i'm
kind of, claustrophobic so shot. Decently they actually used the real,
door so she was actually hitting her hands on that
door for, like oh, Wow, yeah SO i thought that
was you with the finger and then like that's a
good creepy.

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
Yeah visuals like oh, yeah and just.

Speaker 3 (02:00:53):
You, know he's really good in. It rhyme. ROLDS i
think does a really good job because he's not typically serious.

Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
Like, that like, right this is definitely more serious.

Speaker 3 (02:01:01):
Role, yeah AND i thought he does a really.

Speaker 2 (02:01:03):
Good he does really well getting really angry and like
being the. Kids he says to his wife like how'd
you get so fucking stupid or something. Like he is
really good at, switching and when he's going back to
the axe and the wood, cutting he starts to make
his his step, son the older one that like likes
him the least holding the.

Speaker 3 (02:01:24):
Wood, okay funny, story my dad did that to my
brother were kids now with an, axe but with like
a mallet And gavin Had, GEORGE i, Know i'm, like
BUT i, like we have a ghoul in our old.
House but like Literally gavin was just telling me about,
this like BEFORE i KNEW i was doing this a
month or two, ago and he's, like, Yeah dad like
made me hold the whatever the yeah metal thing And

(02:01:48):
dad would put the hand and then like he was
like but that he, liked and Then, dad why do you? MOVE?

Speaker 2 (02:01:54):
O my, GOD i was so freaked. Out i'm watching the.

Speaker 3 (02:01:59):
Scene i'm, like, wait haven't just told me a story
very similar but not AN ax that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:02):
Was like you need to like find that clip online
and just send that to your dad and brother.

Speaker 3 (02:02:06):
And be like you were doing this and my dad
LIKE i remember, that like this was done in malice
with this. SEEMED i think my dad was just LIKE
i need you to hold this BECAUSE i need, Help
like he wasn't thinking child labor and like. DANGER i
truly everyone out, there my dad is.

Speaker 2 (02:02:20):
A Great, no, yeah you should still tease him with,
this be LIKE.

Speaker 3 (02:02:24):
I will when they can figure out how to work the.

Speaker 2 (02:02:27):
YouTube oh, god oh you're right. Over there's some people my.

Speaker 3 (02:02:33):
House and Originally James vanderbeek was going to Be george
flots see.

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
Interesting yeah you, know now that you say, THAT i
feel LIKE i did know. That but wait a, minute
is how is he is He Ryan? REYNOLDS i got
to look him Up james fan. Too oh they're the same,
age all? Right ACTUALLY i think he's he's a little
bit younger Than Ryan. Reynolds so well they were really
just a little, bit like not even a full. Year, Wow,

(02:03:03):
okay that's. INTERESTING i Mean James james could be, intense
like From Varsity blues And rules Of, attraction but, yeah
meant to be much Like christian being the only one For,
Bateman ryan and those. Sweatpants it's the only one For.

Speaker 3 (02:03:23):
George, yeah it's a fun. One and then also another fun,
Fact Megan fox audition for the role of the.

Speaker 2 (02:03:30):
BABY i did know, that and so they were looking
they were looking for a real. Babe.

Speaker 3 (02:03:36):
YEAH i could have seen her in that role. Too,
yeah she can do. It, Yeah Ryan, reynolds but that
that BODY i, mean and coming out one more time one,
wow we have three versus one.

Speaker 2 (02:03:48):
Fan, yeah when you can you just just describe the
last Thing i'll have you, Do, katie describe for us
what was going through your head when you saw that?
BODY i did you gasp or did You?

Speaker 3 (02:04:05):
YES i THINK. I i was with my friends AND
i THINK i was just like mm, HMMM i kind
of did something like, that like, yes like something like,
That oh, Yes AND i think really giggling involved definitely.

Speaker 2 (02:04:18):
GIGGLING i think LIKE i and others right next to
me were truly like in. Shock like, YES i was
like whoa In Blade, trinity but seeing this body in this,
LIGHTING i was just, LIKE i THINK i probably did go,
whoa like a little like like, Whoa yes. EXACTLY i
THINK i Was keanu just in, awe who AM. I

(02:04:41):
it was a. Moment it was a. Moment i'm glad
we could talk about.

Speaker 3 (02:04:45):
Our we have a little you, know our muscle, men
our home conversation About american. Cycle we could kind of
lighten it up with you're.

Speaker 2 (02:04:52):
Right it's a nice way to, like you, know cool,
off cool down right after the, workout?

Speaker 3 (02:04:57):
Right? Yeah? Right DO i bring the fan out one more? Time?
Wow all the fans.

Speaker 2 (02:05:03):
And that's a, wrap a fourth fan For Ryan. Reynolds, Wow,
okay we have a clear. Winner thank you everybody for
listening to or watching our sexy psychos and Horror hunks.
Episode and speaking of The amityville, acts many of you
voted in my Other instagram poll thank you very much
about who acts Better James brolin from the nineteen seventy

(02:05:25):
nine original Or Ryan reynolds from this two thousand and five,
remake and the winner was Obviously Ryan reynolds of, course,
duh with fifty nine, Percent So James, brolin you still
did pretty. Okay thank you to my longtime Friend Katie
bruno and longtime movie lover for coming back to be
a great guest again and for dropping facts and fanning the.

(02:05:47):
Flames oh, yes. Honey thank you also To victoria for
your great. Cameo she's always Got Tom cruise on the.
Brain and please spread the word about this. Podcast leave
a rating or review and a thumbs up on YouTube
if you enjoyed this. Show Thanks Strawha, Media Kyle, Motsinger
Portland Media, center and THE U Run Podcast. Network and

(02:06:09):
NOW i really do have to get going Because i've
got to return some video games

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