Before Sunrise (30th anniversary)

What the world needs now is love... sweet international love! For the first time on this show, Mark welcomes a guest from another country: it's Bulgarian artist, movie nerd, and hunk Todor Iliev (@ilievillustration)! They go on a little virtual stroll through mid-90s Vienna to celebrate the 30th anniversary of Richard Linklater's memorable romance Before Sunrise, which kickstarted a beautiful trilogy starring the dynamic duo Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy. "Don't forget: you are stardust!" Plus, Todor explains how he makes his great designs, and highly recommends traveling to another country solo. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Straw Hut Media.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome to Release Date Rewind, a podcast that celebrates milestone
anniversaries in film. Hello, that's my Austrian German accent for
this episode. I don't know how I did hopefully decent.
I'm your host, Mark J. Parker, a film lover and filmmaker,
and thank you so much for checking out my show
on the straw Hut Media Network wherever you get your

(00:26):
pods or watching on YouTube. I have the perfect movie
to share with you for this holiday, Richard Linklater's beloved
romance talkie Before Sunrise, which just celebrated its thirtieth anniversary
and has a one hundred percent on Rotten Tomatoes so fresh.
Linklater was inspired to make this movie after he met

(00:48):
a random young woman named Amy in a toy shop
in Philadelphia, where I'm from, in the fall of nineteen
eighty nine, which led them to walk around together all
night long. Although that young woman has since passed away,
her memory definitely lives on in this great Before trilogy.
So grab your friends, where your nineties grungey attire, and

(01:10):
if you'd like to watch or rewatch this movie before listening,
it doesn't seem to be streaming anywhere with a subscription
currently in the US. Wah wah. But you can borrow
it from your library, you can rent it, or you
can find it on some random site. All right, American
boys and French ladies, let's get off this train and

(01:31):
take a stroll, because it's time to rewind. All right, everybody.
I am so excited to have this guest on. We've
been Instagram friends for a while. He is a talented artist,

(01:53):
a great looking man. If you're watching on YouTube, I mean,
look at this guy. And this is also exciting because
we're talking about an international movie, right that takes place
in a beautiful country, and it's my first international guest. Everybody,
we are on different time zones. It's the morning for me.
I just got up a little bit ago. He's going

(02:14):
into the evening, basically late afternoon. Everybody, Welcome from Bulgaria.
Oh my gosh. Totor alias Hello Totor, thanks for coming.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Hi Mark, thanks for having me. I don't know if
I can express how exciting this is. I've always been
listening to your podcast and to other movie podcasts, and
it's like a constant thing which I do while I'm cleaning,
taking the dog out, anything that requires for me to
use my hands and to have my consciousness free so

(02:46):
I can just listen to stuff and it's either books
or podcasts, and it's super, super exciting. But this is
also the first time when I had to go through
the whole thing where you watch something because you need
to comment on it, so you take lots of notes
and and you make a research on the movie and
in my case, on what was happening in the world
at that time because it was thirty years ago, right,

(03:09):
And I think it hurts the movie a little bit
quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Didn't you To be honest, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Think movies were meant to be seen under under microscope
and then there's the scrutiny. But yeah, that's what happens
with this one.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, that's so interesting. Yeah, we are going to nerd
out everybody about before Sunrise. And like I said, this
is so cool, Totor, because like I feel like I'm
the Jesse I'm the American, and you're like Selene. You
know where is she from? She's from she lives in Paris.
She's from Paris. She's French. You're not French. Okay, you
need to tell me. I've never been to Bulgaria Like amazing.

(03:47):
So have you tell us a little bit about yourself,
Like you grew up there, You've been there your whole life.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
So yeah, it's nothing like friends. Let's start there. And
Seleni is from France. I'm from Bulgaria. I grew up
here in Bulgaria. Yes, currently I'm living in the capitol.
This is where I graduated from. And I stayed here
too to work and live. I used to live in
the States for a while. Oh yeah, in New York. Yeah,
for maybe a little bit less than a year. I also,

(04:15):
I think I spent like three months in New Jersey
or something.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Oh where in New Jersey. That's where I'm from. Do
you remember what town?

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Wildwood?

Speaker 4 (04:25):
You said, you know it?

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Oh I know it? Oh yeah, Wildwood. Yeah, it's one
of the beaches. That's so funny. Total When were you
living in New Jersey and New York? Was it a
long time ago?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yes? I think it was twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Okay, I was in New York too, So I wonder
if we passed by each other back then. That's so funny. Wow,
So you were there for BI and then you went
back to Bulgaria.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Right, Yes, I came back here. I finished my education.
I studied in the National Academy of Arts. I'm working
here as a designer. So it's and I travel a
lot in Europe and other places as well, Like it's
here in Europe at least, everything is quite connected, so
it's super easy to go from one place to another,
which is which is actually super fun because culturally we

(05:13):
are quite different and it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah. Absolutely privilege, Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I've been to Vienna
long ago. Gosh, what you're saying twenty twenty five. I
went back in like twenty twelve. I think my sister
was studying abroad in Germany, and so my family and
I did a little trip. We were fighting the whole time.
Oh my god, my parents are so American. I was like, oh,

(05:36):
but we went, you know, from Switzerland to Italy to
Austria to Germany, so just like did a little loop there.
But have you been to You've been to Vienna? I was.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
I think it was like four or five years ago.
It was no longer than a week, but it was.
This is one of the places I really liked. It's
just the vibe is so neat, it's so cool, historical.
They have these amazing high ceilings everywhere, which I'm to
lie in love with. They have these old things in

(06:08):
the buildings, these old cafes. We see one of those
in the movie. So Vienna is an incredibly beautiful city.
Funny enough, I actually remembered the movie in a very
wrong way. It appears, because I saw it when I
saw the second one. It was shown to me by

(06:30):
a friend and then she told me, actually, there's another
movie that was made seven years ago and it deals
with those two people meeting in Vienna. But somehow I
forgot it was Vienna, and I thought it was New York.
And since I remember vividly, yeah, I do remember that
they met with Celine later on in Paris, where she's from.

(06:51):
I thought he's Americans. He's probably from New York, and
that's probably why I thought that they originally met in
New York. Oh, you know that's not the case, as
we learn it's Vienna. Well, yeah, it's a nice, nice
setting for a movie.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Oh yeah, definitely. And you know it's one of those
cities where, at least in American film, I feel like
we don't go to Vienna much like you know, you
always see Paris. You always see, you know Italy, you
know various cities in Italy, but like you don't really
see a lot of Austria in movies. I feel like,
of course, like sound of music, like when I went

(07:28):
with family. I remember Totor, I remember going to Salzburg
and we went to Vienna. But in Salzburg it was
where it's like sound of music country, like the hotel
we were in I remember had all different images of
like sound of music and Julie Andrews singing and everything.
And I'll never forget I took a selfie because it
was one of the sunniest places I had ever been.

(07:50):
And my hair I used to dye my hair blonder
back then, and my hair got like this fun beautiful
like yellow, and my skin I remember I was just
like wow, this Salzburg, and I got like I need
to come here more often. Right now, I'm very pale
white as it goes. But yeah, I really liked I
liked Austria. It was cool. It was a place that
I didn't really ever it wasn't like high on my

(08:13):
bucket list, you know, maybe because I didn't know about
it much. But yeah, going to like the Vienna opera
and walking around totally. It's a great setting for this.
And I think I did read somewhere that originally the
idea was gonna be in the States, maybe in New
York or a bigger city, you know, but they switched
it to Europe, to Vienna, so that they both were

(08:34):
kind of on a more open like open to whatever
kind of possibilities, because you know, when you're traveling, you
have a more open experience rather than when you're when
one of you is home, you know, you're a little
bit more closed off.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I thought that was interesting, Yeah, you know, I think, yeah,
it played a major role in how things developed between
those two people because they were abroad, both of them.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Nobody knows them, so you made this ranger and of
course you're more open to having experiences outside your comfort
zone nobody would know about and during a foreign city
and it's unknown, and it's much more romantic, so you
go with the flow. So it makes sense for the story,
even although I did read that the original story because

(09:21):
it is based on the personal experiences of the director.
I'm not going to even try to say his last name.
I know the first one is Richard. I'm not sure
how to say the other one. Link later, link later, Yeah,
you got it, link later, okay, coy. So yeah, it's
actually a little bit of a sad story what happened

(09:42):
to him, But the part on which he based the
movie is actually quite romantic. But before we go into that,
I don't know if I did mention that I did.
I went so deep into this, like I was so
so serious about this. I did a history. It's like
tons of research.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Tell me.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
I just wanted to I just wanted to check what's
what's been going on in the world in nineteen ninety five.
So here's a few things which were happening this year.
From the cinematic perspective, this is the year when we
got Toy Story, the first one, Brave Heart, Casino seven,

(10:22):
Golden Eye, Diehard with Vengeance, which I don't know why
why I included this one in the list. I haven't
seen that one. I don't think it's a bit.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Oh it's a good one. It's a good one.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
It's a Bruce Willis movie. So let's let's have it there. Clueless, Oh,
give it to us, Groundbreaking, Delicious Heat, Batman Forever, The
Unusual Suspects, and Pocahontas.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yes, Oh my gosh, look at that, and I love
like I feel like everyone listening is like, yes, total,
tell me more, Tell me more about nineteen ninety five. Yes,
great list, a little bit of everything, big animated movies,
big like action, some good comedy. Right, we had like
such a good variety of all genres back then. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, And I think that those are movies, some of
which most of which actually we still remember. And it
kind of quote this pivotal in this or the genre. So, uh,
this year seems seems to be quite big for cinema,
and actually other things happened that we're very curious, Like
this is the year when the DVD format was announced.

(11:33):
So for the younger audience, what DVD is is how
we used to watch movies after VHS. VHS is actually
something even older that is probably quite distinct at that moment. Also,
it was the year when the Windows ninety five came out,
the OJ Seempson trial, which was the big thing in States,

(11:56):
crazy eBay and Yako were founded.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Oh wow, yeah, this is pretty much they know.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
When the Internet became like an everyday thing and people
started using it or for lots of stuff, shopping included
apparently so I guess that changed the scenery quite a lot.
Like before the Internet and after the Internet is completely
different worlds with the living in some of us. Do

(12:24):
you remember that time?

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Oh yeah, I remember like Windows ninety five being new,
you know, and it looked so ugly. But like at
the time, I was like whoa, you know, Oh yeah,
I remember seeing some of those movies in the theater,
especially the animated movies. I was. I was turning eight
years old in ninety five. Yeah, and you were how old?
You were probably around the same.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Seven yeah, seven years old at that time.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, we're basically the same age.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
So and and like you were saying, some of those
great movies I remember seeing on TV renting like really
strong year for pop culture, for entertainment and for some Yeah,
like pretty big changes in in culture and in technology.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Right, significant significant?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I mean, now, tell me total, like what movies are
out there right now? Like do you get like American
movies later I assume you know, or or like maybe
maybe it's at the same time, Like what's what's at.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
The same time? Okay, it's at the same time at
the moment, we see pretty much the same content at
the same time. I mean, there's difference actually and what
what we we stream on these services here and what
is being streamed in the United States. But I think
whichever is like a worldwide popular we have a at

(13:42):
the same time basically, so I think culturally in that sense,
we are pretty much aligned at that moment at the time.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's so interesting because you know sometimes some
countries it's like, oh yeah, they don't even know who
that is or what that is, you know, So it's
interesting when you.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Know it's the same, pretty the same. Yeah. Interesting also
in terms of celebrities and in terms of all that
I think is quite aligned already. It's pretty much the
same everywhere. Like for example, I remember when I went
to New York and it's on the other way of
the world, seven hours difference, it's a completely different place.

(14:20):
It felt so familiar, it looked so familiar because because
of all the media and everything that I've seen, it's
usually when when it is an American movie, it's almost
always New York. So you have this perspective of that
place and it's it's super familiar and which I liked,

(14:41):
of course. And also growing up, I was born in
eighty seven and like friends, was a big thing, and
then Sex and the City was a big thing. And
I think partially our personalities are more or less formed
based on these shows. Like the sense of humor we
have is a little bit based on those shows. And

(15:03):
in that type of culture, you just recognize that it's
yours since you grew up with it. Yeah, and yeah,
I learned how the English I speak I learned from
from TV.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
I was gonna say, probably right, Yeah, and your English
is amazing, of course, how many languages can you speak?

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Bulgarian and English?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Okay, you got to that's great. Yeah, Hey, that's more
than me.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
I tried for German. It didn't work.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Will be right back, all right.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
I have it a minutely insane idea.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
But if I don't ask you this, it's just gonna
hold me the rest of my life.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
I want everyone to know a little bit more about
your great art, because I feel like I can tell
you have been watching movies since you were a kid.
You have some really amazing designs of all kinds of
beautiful men. But what really brought me to you was
probably a year ago at least, I saw your amazing art.
I know what you did last summer, Ryan Phillippy what

(16:04):
a babe. I've talked on the show about how he
was like a sexual awakening. So, yeah, can you tell
us more about your art and if you know specific
movies or styles influenced you and and how often you're
designing all that good stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Well, my profession is actually quite different from from what
I draw, and I haven't like an Instagram account where
I collect all my illustrations and this is this is
more like a creative outlet for me to do something
more creative afterwork, because my work is actually very technologically involved.

(16:41):
So I work as a designer on very complex applications,
which is interesting, but in a very different way. It's
not as coreactive. It's it's far less visual than doing
an illustration, for example. Yeah, and so that's how I
started to just draw while I was watching something on
TV that night or in the evening to be more accurate.

(17:05):
And I just started suploding those illustrations, and then you know,
people started to like them. I started to do it
more often, and then it kind of grew. So it's
it's a it's a very nice hobby that I have.
I don't see it as anything else, though, And it's
it's I kind of like keeping it this way because

(17:27):
it actually gives me that sort of satisfaction, which is
I don't want to feel a pressure to deliver on
that front as well. So yeah, it's I've been doing
it for like five or six years already. And of
course it's movie related. Like I read a lot and
I watch a lot of movies, and one of the
genres I really love is horror. So I grew up

(17:50):
with the scream movies and therefore I know what you
did last summer and Urban Legends and all the nineties
uh car Slashers. Yeah, it's always so much fun. So yes,
some of my illustrations are movie connected. Sometimes they're like
a querified version of a movie where I just substitute

(18:14):
all the female characters with male ones, yes, which kind
of shares similar characteristics. And yeah, it's fun. I'm just
trying to I'm not really thinking of so much what
am I doing exactly, or spending too much time on
craftical concepts that I'm going to develop over time. I'm
just I'm just opening my tablet and I'm just drawing.

(18:38):
And if it's amazing, my dog, do.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
I hear a pup dog? Oh? Now total, since you
were talking about your tablet, I'm curious, and I'm sure
other people are too. So do you you draw everything
on your tablet? Like you design everything like with a
like a little kind of pen thing, and like, is
that what you do?

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, it's super comfortable, it's super easy. I draw my
hands well, but it just it takes a lot more
preparation because you need to have the right materials and everything.
And with the tablet, you just have all different sorts
of techniques and colors and paint brushes and times of

(19:18):
types of materials that you want to use. And it's
super easy. And again, this is something that I do
after I'm done with work, gym, cooking, cleaning, taking care
of the dog and all that and just chilling at
the at the sofa and there's a movie playing. So
it's it's just much easier. But I graduated from a
classical art academy so which drew by hands a lot.

(19:41):
And yeah, I do enjoy doing this as well.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
That's so cool. I love it now. And you like,
like we were saying, you draw beautiful muscular men, So like,
where does the inspiration come besides movies? Are you like
looking in the mirror and you're like, Okay, I'm going
to like copy myself or are you like looking at
the guys at the like? Where where do your ideas
of the male body like come from? Pictures? I guess

(20:05):
magazines that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, I do. You use a lot of references, but
most of the time I do use my own body
to reference pos this. Unfortunately, I'm not as good to
just imagine something and recreate it from my mind. I
actually need to post for it, take a picture, look
at it while drawing, and it works like that, and yeah,

(20:29):
that's the body I have available, so I just use
it there you.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Go, Oh my gosh. Yeah, absolutely, Well maybe after this
you'll be inspired to do like a gay before Sunrise
design or something. And you know, it would be so
nice to have a gay version of that. I feel
like we probably do and I just can't think of it,
but you know, that would be just so cool to
see two guys meet and like wandering around the city.

(20:55):
You know, I'm sure it's out there, but.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Oh, that happens. I'm sure it happens. Of course it happens.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
It's oh, yeah, how two people fall.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
In love and that that happens across genders, generations, races.
Everything is the same, is the same for everybody, practical.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Absolutely yeah, And you know it could be cool to
see a version of this with like an older couple,
no matter what the gender is, straight, gay, whatever, like older.
You know, that could be really cute as well, you know,
Meryl Streep and I don't know, Harrison Ford, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
You know, I think this is something that is happening
much more often now. I don't know you notice that,
I believe you have. But like people are making movies
not just for twenty to thirty something and for teenagers. Now,
people seem to be making movies for all genders. For
there's more diversity and issues as well, which I like

(21:48):
very very much. Right, absolutely more saturated in that way, semantic.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I think I agree to you before.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
And what you were saying about like the great new
wave of like slashers in the late nineties, Like I've
said before on the show, even starting in ninety five
with movies like this and clueless, like teens and like
young people in their twenties were really like what the
studios and the companies were going after. So for a
while we had very young focused entertainment. But now yeah,

(22:18):
it's all over the place. There's young but then there's
a lot of stuff for older people and people our age,
you know. Yeah, look at this puppy. What's his name?

Speaker 1 (22:27):
His name is seth All set what Egyptian got? Yah?

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Oh wow? Okay, cool.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
I have no idea what your situation is, but I
feel like we have some kind of connection.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Right yeah, me too, great.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
So listen, here's a deal. This is what we should do.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
You should get us a to train with me here
in Vienna and come check out the tent.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
So this movie, before Sunrise was released, I would say wide,
you know, and wide release a lot of theaters, but
actually I was looking it was pretty limited. It was
only in the US when it came out. It was
only like three hundred maybe four hundred theaters. So it
had a smaller release, but it made a great amount
of money for such a small movie, such a small budget. Right.
So it came out January twenty seventh, nineteen ninety five,

(23:07):
just a couple of days really, about a week or
two after a premiere at the Sundance Film Festival. So
had that buzz went right to theaters. This was the
top song in the US. You must know. I'm sure
you know a lot of these big, big songs. So
the number one song was Creep from TLC. So I creep,
Oh love it? Iconic?

Speaker 6 (23:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Other songs in the top ten Another Night from The
Real McCoy, another that another Dream, Take a Bow from Madonna,
and one of my all time faves totor And it
felt like very much of this era when you think
of before Sunrise. This song is part of that DNA
the song you Gotta Be from Desiree, you Gotta Be,

(23:48):
you gotta Be, bed, you gotta Be. You know these songs,
do you remember that?

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah? Yeah, all of them, Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Of course, right, they were all pretty big. But yeah,
that was climbing the charts around this same time. So
that was the music side other popular movies. This of
course didn't open up at number one or even in
the top ten. Like I said, it had a smaller
uh success, but the big movies to jog your memory.
Number one was Legends of the Fall with long haired

(24:15):
beautiful Brad Pitt. Right, I still have never seen that.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
The best bread bit. That's the best bread bit I've
ever seen. It was the long hair.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yep, interview with the Vampire. He had just done that.
I talked about that on the show a couple of
months ago, so like he was in his long hair,
sort of period piece phase back then. I still have
never seen Legends again, right, Should he should threw it out? Yes,
I really should. I know people when I posted that,
so many people said, oh my god, one of the

(24:45):
best makes me cry, and I'm like, really, it looked
so kind of like corny, sappy, but I'm gonna watch it, everybody.
I'm totally gonna watch it. So Legends of the Fall.
Other popular movies in the top ten Dumb and Dumber
Big obviously Jim Carrey. You know, that was came out
around Christmas, so that was still hugely popular. The movie
Higher Learning, which I don't know if that made its

(25:05):
way to Bulgaria. It's a deeper cut, but a really
interesting movie. Yeah, with a kind of a plethora of
different people, but it's about race and it's set into
college and just different kind of mid nineties issues, mostly
very US focused. So that was in the top ten.
Little Women I just talked about that on the show
with Winona Ryder. That was still very popular. Love that one.

(25:28):
So much, and the tales from the crypt movie Demon
Night with Billy Zane Jada Pinkett. Did you ever see
that one? Do you know that one?

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say horror, you must know
for sure. So those were in the top ten, right,
those were all big deals. But here comes Before Sunrise,
a sort of sleeper hit. And so now, Totor, I
want to throw it over to you. We've already kind
of talked a bit about you know what the movie's about,
but in your own words, it does not need to
be long. You can give me a little brief synopsis.

(25:57):
What is Before Sunrise about? For anyone that wants to
hear it from your lips, go for it.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Before Sunrise It's about that magical moment where two people
meet and find each other and they have this, in
this case, very brief moment in the beautiful city in
Europe where they actually fall in love, and they have
until sunrise to experience that love because afterwards, each of

(26:23):
them goes their separate way. And it's a treaty story.
It was never premeditated as one, but it's a beautiful
love story which puts you in a very romantic, safe
place and it never takes you out of there, You're
saying the whole time, you can just relax and enjoy

(26:46):
and experience the way people communicate fully openly, no games,
nothing to hide, nothing to lose, just fall in love.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, beautiful. Absolutely. Have you ever had a situation like
this where you're traveling and you just strike up a
great conversation with a stranger. I mean, I feel like
nowadays it doesn't happen so much because we're all online,
we're all on our phones. But have you ever had
an experience.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Like this, an experience like this, Yes, but it wasn't
in a foreign country. It was in my own country.
I've had. I've had that date which started this date
and continued as a whole day of conversation and then
there's a relationship.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
So yeah, oh nice, Oh my gosh, that's beautiful. I
love that total. That is so cool.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
I mean I don't think i've ever well, you know,
I've never actually traveled. I mean I've traveled alone for work,
like work trips around the US, but I've never traveled
internationally alone. I don't know. Maybe I'll do it someday, but.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Oh, I should very different experience.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
You should, Yes, okay, because yeah, when when you traveled
to the US, when you traveled internationally, you came alone,
right or did you have like? Yeah? Interesting? Yeah, I'll
try it someday. It kind of scares me. I'm not
gonna lie. I mean, I love traveling. I'll travel with
a friend whoever. Internationally, oh my god. Yeah, but to
go alone, I don't know. I I definitely want to

(28:18):
try it, but I'm a little overwhelmed by it, you
know what i mean. Maybe that's the American mind.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Me. It is overwhelming in the sense of that everything's
up to you and all decisions are going to be
made by you, and that might be a little bit scary,
but it's it's exciting because again, there's nobody else you
need to think about or consider. You just exactly do
whatever you want to do, and you experience places I

(28:43):
think in a very different way. Yeah. Yeah, it's free,
it's very free.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah. And you just pop into a restaurant or a
cafe or a whatever, and yeah, you're not on any
real limit. Yeah. Absolutely interesting. Yeah, maybe I'll do it,
maybe all Maybe I'll visit Bulgaria. Wow, there we go,
Okay here, just not not during winter. Let's let's meet
up like these two.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Now, let's yeah, let's do this. Yeah, we need a
warmer time. It's it's a little bit nicer, yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Right, yeah, And I do love that every one of
these movies. Of course, this is part of the Before trilogy, right,
this starts the story, and then there's before sunset, before midnight.
But I do love how every movie is in the summer,
because they even say this is June and then and
before the sunset it's a nice you know, warm spring
summer day. And then I know, and before midnight they're

(29:36):
there on summer break with their kids. So it is
fun to see these beautiful cities, uh, you know, thriving
and everything's blooming, and you know, it's it's much I
think it's much nicer to see warmth rather than it
could be interesting if they ever do a sequel to
do it in the winter where like, you know, there's
snow and like, oh, let's go in here, you know.
But I think the whole energy of just wandering and

(29:59):
just having no real plan is so summer.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
You know. Yeah, it doesn't quite work if you have
scarves and the jackets on and and it's rainy, it's
it makes things a little bit more difficult.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
We just got into Vienna today and we're looking for
something funded it.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
But I think that there's actually an open conversation about
doing another sequel.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Oh my gosh, I would love it, now, would you?
Because I know you were saying that normally this would
not have been your cup of tea. You're kind of moving.
But now that you've you've watched them, would you want
them to continue? Or are you good with the trilogy?

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I don't know if I want them to continue. And
that's the other thing. This wasn't premeditated as a three
piece story. They just told one story, and after a
certain amount of time, it's like they created this creative
group of people between the director and the actor, the
actors and also there was another writer, female writer that

(30:59):
was part of the whole thing, and they just felt
that they need to tell another story about those characters.
Seven years I think was it seven years later?

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Nine years? Every ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Years, it's nine years. And then they did another one
in twenty fourteen, I think it was.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
It came out right, yeah, thirteen.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
So that's a very good question. Actually, I'm sure that
those two people have more to tell, Like later in life,
because life continues and so many interesting things get happened
to you at any point. And now being thirty seven,
I realized that so much than I would when I

(31:43):
was twenty five, for sixteen thinking that people at twenty
five are like old old but super grown up, which
is not true at all. So I think there's definitely
place for that type of stories. And I think the
the chemistry that they have Aten Hulk and Jimmie Delpy,

(32:07):
I think they can definitely tell another story. And to
be honest, I think the storytelling is getting better with
each movie, and the dialog is getting better with each movie,
and that's very, very important because this movie is practically
ninety percent of the dialog, So it's a lot of

(32:27):
talking all the time.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
It's a lot of talking. Can you imagine like being
I mean, it's it's very much a two hander like
there are other small roles, of course, they talk to
different people around the city, but it's just these two.
There are so much to memorize and talk. Although I
do it feels either they are such great actors or
their death. I'm sure with Richard link later, there was
some opportunity for improv you know, improvisation coming up with

(32:51):
some stuff following the script. But you can just feel
there's like a natural conversational vibe where like it's not
always memorized lines. They're kind of throwing some stuff out there,
you know what I mean. It feels that way.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Oh, from what I read, I think that everything was
actually scripted, and there were some things that were improvised
on the spot, but they were scripted afterwards. So the
scenes that we see were actually written in advance. And
I don't know how you do that, because it seems
like it was made by these very long takes where

(33:24):
people would a certain actor would talk and talk and
talk and talk. And yes, it has to feel natural,
and I think, to be honest, it doesn't seem quite
natural in the first movie. But you know what, when
I was listening to those characters speak and how they

(33:46):
approached each other, I realized that these are twenty five
ish characters, right. And I did remember that once. I
was at the party at the friend's place and one
of our friends brought his girlfriend and she was twenty
five and we were all like thirty five and plus,
and she was so intimidated that she was trying to

(34:10):
sound smart and she was talking about politics and philosophy,
and she was, you know, phrasing herself in a very
complicated way, and you could see that she was super
tense and super intimidated. I suppose this is something that
you do when you're twenty five and you're trying to

(34:31):
impress people around you, because when you're in your late thirties,
you don't give a shit as much, like you're not
really trying to impress people anymore. But at twenty five,
it's a different story, and we like each other very much.
They were trying to impress each other very much, or
at least Jesse's character was trying to impress a Selene

(34:54):
because it was kind of clear that Jesse really likes
her and would like to for things to happen between them,
where Selene knew that if she wanted, things would definitely
happen between them, so it was up to her, and
she felt much more in control and much more relaxed
in the situation, where for me, he was kind of trying.

(35:15):
He was kind of pushing it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Hmmm, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, no, I hear you. Yeah,
he's the one. She she notices him when she moves
in the beginning to sit near him, but he at
the camera even does this really nice kind of push
into him where it's almost like he's realizing, like whoa
like she's beautiful. I like her, you know, but it's interesting.
I had forgotten he had just broken up with his

(35:38):
girlfriend earlier on this same trip, So it's sort of
funny how he's sort of maybe looking for a rebound,
you know, and and and obviously it grows more than that.
He he you know, they fall in love. They talk
for hours, all day, all night long, right, But it's
just sort of funny, like she's kind of a rebound,
but as we see in the sequels, she forever changes

(35:59):
his life. So it's kind of cool how the timing
when you think of it, like, oh, you just got
out of like a longer relationship, you're not ready for
another one, but he he was. And because of their
dynamics not seeing each other for years, you know, between
one and two, there was time for him to you know,
absence makes the heart grow fonder, as they say, so

(36:20):
there was time to really kind of let that new
love kind of marinate in both of their brains.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
I like to feel his.

Speaker 7 (36:26):
Eyes on even able to wear well confessiting away nit,
Like this is important to my life right now that
he is.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, I just love how both in one end two
before Sunrise and Sunset. I think it's really so brilliant
how it ends with Jesse's got to get on the plane.
He's got to go back home, right does he? Does
he not? You know, like the first one he does,
you know they part ways, of course, but the second
one is so vague, that beautiful ending. But I just

(36:57):
love a story that has know, there's like an there's
a a time limit, you know, there's like an end
goal where it's like, yeah, the story has to end.
It's not just like you know it'll fade and you know,
blah blah blah. Like what makes this kind of conversation
exciting is they only have limited time together in both
both movies, you know, and before Midnight it's it's different.

(37:18):
They're together, they're I forget if they're married. I haven't
seen that one in a long time. They're either married
or they're married but have like kids, and they're like, yeah, they're.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
They're basically a family. Yeah, regardless to whether or not
they they were married, but I think they were I
don't remember exactly if they were living as a married
couple with.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
A bicker like a married couple. So yeah, you know
that one's. The third one's kind of sad. And it's
funny those of you who are listening, who uh follow
me on Instagram, I did a poll and total you
might have seen the poll. I just did it yesterday,
which one is your favorite? And one and two were equal.
They got like forty seven percent each something like that,
and before Midnight got one vote. So it is funny

(38:01):
how the third one is amazing. It is so good,
But I think because it's sad, you know, we don't
there are times when like they're going to break up,
you know, they they became that couple in the beginning
that's fighting on the train, you know that then brings
them together, making her sit. You know, it's it. So
I would love to see a sequel, you know, because

(38:24):
I just love growing old with these great characters, no
matter what the movie is, right scream seven, Like, I
love to see people get older and I want to
connect with them again. So I could totally see a
before whatever. But it does work really well as a
trilogy because now they kind of became that bickering couple.
Are they going to last? Or, like they say in

(38:44):
this first movie, is there such a thing as a soulmate?

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Like?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Are we supposed to only have the one? And that's it?

Speaker 1 (38:50):
You know?

Speaker 2 (38:51):
So it works as a as a as a three parter.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
You know, I don't actually think about the outcome of
the whole story, especially for the first one and the
second one, And I think this is something that I like,
I don't need to think about the outcome. I don't
need to care whether or another is going to be
a happy ending because they seem to understand the situation
pretty well in the first movie. They just realize that

(39:17):
they're probably not going to continue with this relationship, like
it's very hard to manage. It's a long distance. They're
having this moment which, having had more time, they would
probably find they actually have a conversation about things. It's
fine about this, fine things about each other that they

(39:38):
don't like as much. And that's why this moment is
so mesmerizing because it's a moment because it's a capsule
of time. It's a constrained time and constraint space because
they're in this one city, which is neither her nor
his which is super freeing, and they know that problem

(40:00):
this is not going to continue. Therefore, let's take everything
we can from this moment for ourselves and not lose
time worrying over perspectives, which I think is what's what's
genius about this movie. I really love the concept of

(40:21):
having this story being told through time, which wasn't exactly
like Primitive heated as such, that's how it developed. But
I and it's in Horror as well. I do like
when things are happening over one night or one day
in one place, because you kind of get to concentrate

(40:43):
on the characters and the relationships they develop, and you
don't have the distraction of what's going out, going around
and outside of this of this situation.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Absolutely, it gives you like nice parameter of like like
I always think, yeah, exactly, like I always think of
like the Scream movies because I'm a hard heard like
you like, yeah, they really only happen over maybe three nights,
three to four nights, you know, like it's short, Like
it helps you focus on the problem. So in this movie,
the problem is, oh, we like each other, but oh

(41:19):
I'm only here for eighteen more hours, you know, So
like Yeah, it just helps us the viewer really zero
in on the characters, who they are, who they are
together before times up. Yeah, I love it too. It's
pregnancy English.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, speak for a change.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
So our key players obviously written by like you were
saying to two writers, male and female, which I think
is really important for a story like this, you know.
And Richard Link later did want to bring on his
co writer Kim Chris and Chrison not sure exactly. This
was her first screenplay, so go you, Kim, that's awesome,
but he wanted to have that female perspective so that

(42:00):
it really is a balanced story and obviously as natural
and realistic as possible, which is so smart. So Richard
linklater not only wrote, but of course directed, and right
before this he had just done a very popular movie,
a big one for him, Dazed and Confused, with a
big cast, so comedy, you know, and this has some comedy,
of course, but this is a much smaller, much more

(42:21):
simple and romantic kind of story compared to that one. Right,
and then our two leads, Ethan Hawk and Julie Delpy.
I mean, they are both so damn cute in this movie.
I mean, Ethan with the hair I'm like, oh my god,
why did I just get my haircut? I want hair
like Ethan Hawk, and Julie Delpy just looks like effortlessly
cool and beautiful. Right. But so Ethan the year before

(42:44):
had just done he was in like his prime Ethan Hawk,
early to mid nineties dream Boat Vibe. He had just
done Reality Bites with Winona Right and Ben Stiller, Jane Garoffalo,
all those good people, very nineties grunge. And the year
before that he did such an intense movie do you
remember Alive the plane crash in the Winter and yeah, right,

(43:07):
so he was in that over with Julie Delpy. She
had just done the Three Colors trilogy Blue White, and Red,
which I've never seen, but I've heard about. Have you
ever seen those three movies?

Speaker 1 (43:18):
No, and I haven't heard about them, but yeah, it
sounds interesting. It's a thrilling yeah, named after colors.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
On colors, Yes, isn't that so interesting? Yeah? And they
all came out like pretty quickly, like from ninety three
to ninety four ish, ninety three to ninety five. So
she had just done those, and she had just done
one of my favorite movies as a kid. You probably
saw it too. I don't know why, but I just
I haven't seen it in decades, so it's probably not
as good as I think, but I loved I think

(43:44):
it was nineteen ninety three The Three Musketeers with Keith
for Sutherland, Charlie Sheen, Chris O'Donnell, what a babe. So
she had a supporting role in that as well, which
was of course very fitting for her being so you know, European,
and could easily you know, add into a period ninety
five that I think was ninety three, that was just

(44:05):
a couple of years prior. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, did
you ever see that one?

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Like she was like twenty one or twenty one while
they were filming twenty oh yeah, extremely young.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Oh yeah, uh huh. Absolutely. And what's so cool is
like we're saying there are two writers on this specific movie,
although Julie Delpy has said that she and Ethan like
rewrote the movie, but then Kim, the female writer, was like, well, no, like,
you know, that's not really true. So who knows. But
at least I think it's so brilliant in the sequels
that Ethan and Julie were on the writing team. They

(44:39):
wrote and co wrote it with Richard. I don't think
Kim continued writing it. She kind of gets credit for
story by and characters by, but the three of them
would write the sequels and then they would get Oscar noms.
This one never got a script nomination, but the second
and the third got you know, Best Screenplay nominations. So
it's really amazing what the really these four but especially

(45:01):
the three director and two actors have really created together.

Speaker 6 (45:09):
Then, I like, you, we don't bite off the head
aftimating certain insights did that, you know, like spiders and stuft.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
We at least let you live the second one. I
rewatched that last night and it just makes me smile
the whole time. I love the sequel so much before Sunset,
but you can really feel their input even more in
the later sequels. You can feel like Julie Delpi's since
she's also not only an actress, but she's like an activist.
You can feel there's more talk of politics and government

(45:37):
and you know, pollution, global warming. You can hear all
that and you feel her input, you know, which is
pretty cool. You know.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah, she's very outspoken in this movie as well, and
she mentions quite a few things and I can only
imagine how personal this project feels for all everybody involved,
but especially for the actors and for the director. Like
and yes, they got a writing credits on the sick

(46:06):
rolls And it makes perfect sense that they kind of
made these characters theirs and they changed them and they
make them sound more believable. And and I think that
it wouldn't work unless you have an amazing chemistry between
those two characters. Yes, and I didn't read about their

(46:27):
relationship how it was, but I would only suspect that
they truly like each other and they're super fun of
each other, and it shows on screen. And did you
read that who else was considered for the different roles?

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Tell me, I didn't see that. I did see they cast.
They were doing the casting process for like nine months,
Like Richard link later was really careful to do a
long process to find the right actors. So who were
some other people in the mix? I love this conversation.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
So I read that he actually didn't want to cast
it in Hulk because he was too young for him,
but he saw him in a play and then he
realized how much of a good actor he is and
that he would have the maturity to portray this character.
And before Sophie Delpy, I think they considered the Jennifer
Aniston and Gwynet Poltrol interesting. Can you see Can you

(47:21):
see this movie with any of those two?

Speaker 2 (47:24):
You know, I could totally, I really could totally see
it with Gwyneth Paltrow maybe because she looks she and
Julie Delpy could be sisters almost, you know what I mean,
They look so similar. Gwyneth does have a kind of cool,
laid back vibe. Jennifer I think could have done it,
but it would have been a different movie. It would
have been a little more. She would have had to be, yeah,
the American, and then I guess it would have been.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Very American, very Hollywood kind of movie.

Speaker 6 (47:48):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah. One of the things that makes it work, actually,
I think it's the fact that those are two people
from different continents, and I think that kind of sells
the story and it elevates it a little bit to
to something different. And so, yeah, they it was a
long casting process, but once he found the separate characters

(48:13):
in the faces of fitting Hawk and the chemistry was
there between them as well, and he was sold on
these are my two characters and oh yeah, these are
my Yeah, and they they're.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
A perfect couple, right, It's just it's so fun to
see them laugh together, like, and we'll talk about some
of our favorite moments.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
I think they grow into that so much with you
with the sequels, like you can see how these people
really like love know each other very well.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Absolutely, Yeah, you can tell in the sequels they're having
fun reuniting. They really are, like the the just the
electricity between them when they laugh that's not forced. It
feels like they really are surprising each other and laughing.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
It's just it's so good. It's really such an amazing
acting exercise. And this is what's so cool about Richard
link Later because you know he does a lot of
the one off movies, but a movie like this and
a movie like Boyhood which got a lot of awards,
love right, like how he shot that each year a
little bit for what like ten years or more. And
then this is kind of similar when you look at

(49:21):
the when you look at it as one big long movie,
you know, taking his time. All right, it's been eight years,
what are you doing next year? Let's like get together again.
So I really appreciate his very you know, when you
think about it, very experimental kind of way to make
a story to film, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
But luckily it's successful. It works, right, It's very interesting
way of storytelling. Yeah, and he's probably very good in
maintaining his relationships with the people he works with because
it's a small cast and it's not a lot of people,
and you have to stay close to with these people
and you have to really like each other so you
can pick up the phone after a certain amount years

(50:00):
and ask them to come, you know, make a scene
or two or three. And those people careers evolve and
they become more and more famous because in the beginning,
like I mean, eat Hawk was a hard drop and
probably a household name. Oh yeah, but later in the
later years he become bigger and bigger and bigger. But

(50:22):
I guess they really like each other, so that's why
they made themselves available for these projects to happen.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Hey, Rewinders, hope you're loving this love fest as much
as I am. If so, don't forget to leave a
rating on the app you're using to listen, or a
thumbs up on YouTube. So it's not just Totor and
me who have things to say about this great movie.
Before Sunrise and its sequels. Here are friends of the pod,
Rudy Valdez from my last episode and also Jason Choked

(50:52):
with their thoughts.

Speaker 8 (50:53):
Hey, Mark, it's Rudy. I just wanted to say a
quick low and let you know how much I a
door before sun Rise. It's a start to a phenomenal trilogy.
But before we even get that far down the road,
we have to dis examine Sunrise by itself. It's just

(51:14):
a fun little snapshot of young love, you know, taking chances,
having a fun, wild night out and just kind of
just living life.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
You know.

Speaker 8 (51:26):
It's kind of It definitely has that charm to it.
And what was so great about it is when we
watched these people, you know, basically fall in love, had
this amazing night and then say goodbye, and we weren't
sure if they were ever going to get back together
or meet up again, you know, and we were always
wondering that, and so granted we do see the progression

(51:51):
of the relationship later on, but it was one of
those movies that I would watch and would always wonder
what happened to them, you know, cause it was such
a magical, fun night for them that they took us
on this this fun little journey of love, you know
and unexpected experiences. You know, much love for the sequel,

(52:12):
which builds onto the story even more so. And then
of course there's Midnight Before Midnight that kind of like
rounds out the entire story and just kind of puts
a puts an end to it as far as we know.
But yeah, just a just a fun cast. I love
both of them so much in this series. I love

(52:32):
their characters, and I love seeing their characters grow with
each sequel and so but yes, Before sun Before Sunrise
just a fun, fun movie and I adore it.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
Hello, my name is Jason or Jaizuki on Instagram. I'm
looking in the Central Valley. I'm here to kind of
share some love for Before Sunrise, just these two people
walking the night in Vienna, and I appreciated the depth
dialogue with mobility just seemed like a very intellectual compatibility,

(53:05):
you know, that also included flirting with intimacy. I just
feel like I've grown up with these characters of Jesse
and Selene, being that there's now three installments, you know,
all nine years apart. However, after seeing the first one,
I didn't ever dream of, you know, getting two more movies.
That ending of the film, if they ever met again
dependent on your views, you know, optimism. We would later

(53:27):
learn they did meet up again in a short segment
of Richard Glinklatter's Waking Life, you know. However, that would
go into more detail with the second installment. Some highlights
of the movie Kath Bloom's song Come Here. That song
was perfect for that scene with Jesse and Selene and
the listening booth, glancing back and forth at one another
and without making eye contact, the tension of time throughout

(53:50):
the movie, with the clock ticking, the slow burning farewell
their shared journey, you know, or night was coming to
an end, the saying goodbye early, so they didn't have
to do it at the end at the train station,
them looking at one another without having cameras and just
staring at one another, so they could have like a
mental picture of them in their mind, you know, in
their head. And I saw the movie was fine on

(54:14):
all four cylinders when it came to you know, shared
human experiences. If they had from meeting one another, making
a connection, the intensity of their connection and then that's
sad goodbye. Or wondered if they'd ever see each other again.
So that's a little snapshot of my love for this film.
Thanks for the time.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Do you think if before Sunrise was made today, would
it even be theatrical or would it just go I
think it would probably just go right to streaming. I
don't think a movie today even if it was like
one pretty well known star like Ethan Hawk at the time,
Julie Delpy wasn't you know, a household name, right at
least not here in the States, you know, But could

(54:52):
this movie with I don't know who's Ethan Hawk today? Maybe?
Oh gosh, it's tough to kind of maybe it would
it be like Jacob Alordie, you know, I was about, yeah,
someone like him, you know, not yes, someone from Euphoria, right,
so him and then you know, some awesome European girl,

(55:15):
you know that I can't think of right now.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Streaming, no director, streaming impossible. Yeah, people just I don't
think people showed to the event unless it's a bigger,
scenic kind of movie where which is actually more suitable
for a big screen as well.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I agree, Yeah, I don't think it could.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Go works better in a smaller setting, but you can
you can also see it in like a smaller theater
where it's a more select kind of crowd. But it's
not like the mainstream kind of crowd that goes in
the mold towards the next, you know, big budget story.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
It has to be like an art house and indie theater,
more intimate. I did see the third one.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Which is fine, which is okay. I think, oh yeah, yeah.
I saw that in the French Institute period, Sofia, and
it was a small group of people and it was oh,
the whole the whole theater laughed so hard on certain scenes.
It was a great group cinematic experience. I don't get

(56:24):
that a lot when I go to the movies, to
be honest, like I think the Bulgarian public is not
as responsive. We don't react as much. We just sit
there and watch the movie. But it's when it happens,
when you're watching something and people are reacting and it's
a shared reaction, it actually contributes to the whole experience

(56:46):
because it's not just the surround sound and the big screen.
It's also the fact that you're with those people who
also want to see the same movie, and you guys
are reacting at the same time, and you have the
share experience since we.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Never kind of see each other again.

Speaker 7 (57:03):
I don't think we should sweep together.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Let's see each other again.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
I don't want you to break out just so you
can get late.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
I missed the first one, like we were young. It
looked a little too romantic for me. I wasn't really
interested in it. I watched Oh no, it was a
grown up movie, right, it was a grown up age.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
You wouldn't see that movie. No.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah, and like Eve, even growing up, even a like
twelve thirteen, fourteen, I'm like, oh yeah, before Sunrise it
looks good. But no, I'm not you know, but not
until college.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Right.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
It's funny, like you have to be a little more
mature to it, to uh, to appreciate these kinds of movies. Right.
So in college, in a film class, my great professor,
we would watch movies every Wednesday. I was like, this
is heaven and he was saying, Okay, next week, we're
watching the sequel before Sunset. And he said, so, if
you haven't seen the first film, you know, go library,

(58:00):
go rent it. This was back when Blockbuster was still around,
although they were starting to close. This was like in
two thousand and seven, eight and and so he said,
so go rent it. I was like, okay, so I
rented that. I know, I know. We were around when
Blockbuster was like yeah, we saw the highs and the
lows of Blockbuster. Although now Blockbuster's coming back. I see

(58:22):
around the country as like, well, it's not Blockbuster, although
I did read there might be a one Blockbuster bar,
which could be really cool.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Now we're seeing like yeah, right, we're seeing like speakeasies
pop up and it's like video stores. I mean, I'm
into it. I want to go to these, but they're
popping up all over so we'll see. But yeah, so
I borrowed before Sunrise, watched it at home, thought it
was just so amazing, so nice, you know, what's not
to love. And then seeing the sequel in class, I

(58:51):
was floored. I was like, oh my gosh, this is
so fun and exciting. It's it's again, you know, two
people just walking and talking. But the sequel has such
a just such an excitement. It's like there's an intensity
there because time is so short. They they went from
a day to now an hour and fifteen minutes. Right,

(59:13):
it's a short movie. And there they're sexual chemistry, you know,
they're really into each other, but they're in different place.
It's just, oh, I love it so much because you know,
the movie, the first movie before Sunrise, kind of keeps
it a little vague. Did they have sex in the park,
like they're making it out?

Speaker 1 (59:30):
I was going to ask you or didn't they because
didn't like show that explicitly, and right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
I could write you could see it kind of going
either way because she's sort of like, no, I don't
want it to just be about that. But then they're
making out and they're like okay, and then we just see
them the next morning, so it's like, well, did they
or didn't they? But the sequel does confirm. Julie Delpy says,
we we had sex twice that night, and you know,
so yeah, they did do it and apparently it was amazing,
so good for them in the park under the Vienna stars.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Right, maybe she just said that because she wanted to
take care of Jesse's reputation with him, you know, maybe
we're just trying.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yeah, you never know.

Speaker 7 (01:00:15):
And I'm gonna call my best friend in Paris When'm
supposed to have lunched within eight hours, okay, okay, pick
up the phone a hello.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
So I'm gonna give you like several scenes that I
really like a lot. Yeah. The first one is uh
that scene in the trend where Jesse convinces Celine to
h to join him and see if panna together. It's
just the things that didn't hold us uh and his
uh facial reactions and body twitches and stuff, which made

(01:00:46):
it very real. I like the scene in the listening
booth a lot where there's no dialog and it's just
the music that that tells the whole story. And if
you listen to the then you just see those two
people not watching each other because they never like cross eyes.

(01:01:06):
It's always one looking at the other, and then it's yeah,
it was a very nice scene. I like the scene
that they have in the back of the tram and
they're just juna about it was fun like and on
a first date, when there's actual chemistry and there's really
two people very much liking each other, you do talk

(01:01:27):
about those things and oh yeah, fun everything that you
guys talk about. It's a moment you don't want to
end and the conversation just floats cloth absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
And that scene specifically that you just mentioned at the
back of the bus, the tram. That's really when I
was like, whoa, this is such a long take, like
the camera's still rolling, like they are remembering all these
lines and just totally in it and focused on each
other and their memories. Very impressive. Yeah, I love that
scene too, And how I believe it's he he almost
touches her hair, He almost like moves her hair, yes,

(01:02:00):
her face.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
And he has her arm like that, but he's just
touching her and she's aware of that arm, and he's
aware of what he's trying to do. And then when yeah,
it's it's a very yeah, but it is like that
between usually when you have this chemistry and the man
is sometimes a bit more timid and not sure because

(01:02:22):
he doesn't know if something that he does might ruin
the moment. And it's very sweet. It has that boyish
kind of energy and it brings some innocence and romance
to the whole thing, which I really enjoy. The other
thing that I really liked was the one in the
cafe in Vienna, which is probably like three, four or
five in the morning CORREADI at that point, and they're

(01:02:45):
in this very old, very beautiful cafe where there's like
a different kinds of people on the different tables, super
peculiar funn you're looking talking about different There was one
American as well. They were from different places. And then
they have this pretend ringering conversation. They're making bonds with

(01:03:06):
their hands and they managed to talk about things that
they feel insecure about, like whether or not they they
like each other. For example, what she's saying, pretending to
be his friend is she probably liked you, and that's
why she made the decision to sit across from you,

(01:03:27):
which is actually the scilly telling Jesse, I liked you,
That's why I chose to sit across from you. Like
they're reassuring each other that this is real. This is
not imaginary for either one of us. This is real
for both of us.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
It's share, which is so cute and it's and it's
also so smart, just as human beings to be, like, Okay,
I'm gonna call my friend and tell her that I'm
not gonna make it to lunch tomorrow because I'm with
this stranger. And she's talking to her friend, but really
she's talking to Jesse, right, and she's basically telling Jesse,

(01:04:04):
I really like you, like I like your hair, like
everything about you, but it's in a safe way because
she's talking to her friend, do you know what I mean.
So it's just so cute, so charming, and it's something
that I think a lot of us would do to
sort of carefully tell each other, like yeah, I really
like you, like this is amazing, but you don't want
to say that just directly because then it's like weird,

(01:04:26):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
So I don't know if people are so so sensitive
like in general, and I'm not sure if people are
so romantic anymore. I think just we have other channels
of communication that have polluted the normal way of communicating
with each other, wow, and have obscured that way of
how we see things and how we perceive communication in general,

(01:04:49):
which is extremely sad. Yeah, I mean it is what
it is, right, but yeah, and I really like that
they don't play. You know, usually when people like each other,
they play a lot. They don't allow to express how
much they like each other. But the fact that they

(01:05:11):
felt safe enough to do this at that early stage.
This only happens when things are true for both of you,
and then you feel safe and you can say whatever
you want to say. It doesn't matter it's not going
to win anything. It's it's not going to you know,
it's not a game anymore. It's not something that you're
trying to win. It's your you've already won.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Basically, Yeah, oh yeah, I love that, well said. Yeah,
they're kind of what's so nice about it is kind
of from the beginning they're not really playing a ton
you know, like they're pretty open, pretty honest. But then yeah,
it doesn't take long midway through the movie. Yeah, there's
there's no like acting. There's no like, oh, you know,
like the dumb things you might do, especially when you're

(01:05:54):
in your twenties on a day, like pretending to be
someone else. No, by then, it's as if they've known
each other for years and they're just completely opening up
and yeah, it's like it's no bullshit, you know what
I mean, there's like, no, right, thank you, Seth. Seth's like, yeah,
no bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
He agrees. He I don't think I'm going to be
able to make it for lunch today.

Speaker 7 (01:06:18):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:06:19):
I meet a guy in the train and I got
off with them Indiana, I was still there, Are you crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Probably one that I really liked was when they do
they're out at like one of the restaurants one of
the cafes, sitting outside and the fortune teller the psychic
comes over, and I think that's really fun because it's
just a really I mean, I'm I I actually really
want to see a psychic soon. I just I need
I need some like perspective from someone. But so that's

(01:06:46):
already kind of cool, and especially on like kind of
a first day. Ooh, like is she gonna tell me
something bad about this guy?

Speaker 7 (01:06:53):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Like so there's that mystery there. But what does she say?
I wrote it down. She says like we are all stars,
go be stars something like that, right, But before she leaves,
and I just love how she's like, okay, money, you know.
But before she goes, she kind of digs into Jesse
a little bit, which gets him a little ruffled, which
then causes them to have their first kind of you know.

(01:07:14):
Jesse says, do we just have our first fight? Because
she calls him a rooster prick? You know, So even
though it was not a fight, there's a little bit
of heat. There's a little bit of tension there because
he's like, what does she know about me? And like
she's robbing you and you know, he didn't like what
the psychic said about him. So this cute moment then
turns a little stour.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
You know, there's a little bit of growth in Jesse's
character in this regard because this is how he reacts
with the psychic. You know, of course it's in his perspective,
it's a camp. She chooses to see this as something
that's part of the magic. Then when the poet writes
the poem based on the word they give him, she

(01:07:58):
again is messed horized by the moment where he's like,
he probably had this poem written in advantage. He's just
not the work in so he can get the money.
But then at the end, there's this scene where they're
seeing this person playing it's not a piano because it
has like a double keyboard. I don't know what this
is called.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Right, I'm blanking on what it's called as well. But yeah,
they're looking kind of down in the window, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
But this time he's not making any Snutti remarks about
whether or not this is like romantic or true or whatever.
He's just listening to the music and looking at her
face because it seems that now he's he's kind of
a different person at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
They got it on in the park. So now he's
like you you know you before. But I love that
moment as well. I love that moment as well total
because yeah, you have this like old timing. Maybe it's
like an organ or I forget what it's called, but yeah,
you have this kind of old timey music in this
old timey city. And I just love how he's like,
all right, let's take a picture. And for a second

(01:09:05):
I thought, wait, where's their camera, you know, or where's
their phone? No, no cell phones that had cameras back then,
they didn't have a camera, so right, thank god. But
so then they just stand there and you're so right.
They listen to that music that they don't hear every day, right,
and they just look at each other and really like
look like And I love that because how often do
we do that? Not often at all? Right, where you

(01:09:27):
really look at someone, look at their surroundings. You take
that picture and you probably never forget it, you know,
where you're actually actively remembering this moment rather than just
living it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
You know, how could you do it at this point
of time You're too busy looking at your phone like that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
It's a good reminder. Honestly, it's a really good reminder
to like, yeah, when you're hanging out with someone, whether
it's a friend or a date or a partner, to
like really stop and like look and remember the moment.
You know, it's actually really beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Because it's so much important that everything that's happening on
that phone, because this is a person you like, love, cherish,
whose company you enjoy, So enjoy that company. Don't get
distracted by something that that has absolutely no meaning to
your or your own personal world life. It's it's just

(01:10:19):
an addictive part of everyday life that we have that
experience today, and it's it's not easy to hook yourself
out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Uh I unhooked. There you gook, There you go. I
was following, Yeah, the line that I found from the psychic.
I just thought this was just a sweet line. Everything
we know is stardust, so don't forget you are stardust. Simple.
But it's like, yeah, I think that puts a lot
of our issues and a lot of our worries into perspective,

(01:10:54):
like we're just like a bunch of Yeah. So, like,
and what you're going through is important, what you think
is important, But it's helpful to stop and be like,
you know what, I'm a spec right, like, so just
breathe and get over it, right, So just bat.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
And get over it. It's a good way of going
through life, I.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Think, right right, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:11:17):
It's beautiful you eyes, nice pink clips.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Pretty hair. I love it. It's a time capsule because
it's going to bring you to a reality that we
no longer have. At the same time, it deals with
an universal theme, which is falling in love, which is
something that I hope every human being on this planet

(01:11:40):
will experience in their lifetime because it's a magical, magical
thing that it's probably the greatest part of life. The
movie is an accurate representation of what it's like to
be twenty five. So you have this limited way of

(01:12:01):
perceiving life because you don't have this experience, which actually
continuates pretty much the way you see life at later time.
I mean, it's very beneficial because you have experience, you
have shortcuts for a lot of things, but at the
same time, you lose a big part of the innocence
and the hopes you had when you were twenty five.

(01:12:22):
So it's a bit nostalgic, but I just don't see
myself in those characters as much anymore. And I was
so so as to how they chose the wardrobe for
those characters, like the shoes really wearing. They're probably very
comfortable in everything, but the way this dress is cutting

(01:12:45):
her ankles, it's it's not luttering. It's not a good idea.
It's not a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
You are so funny. That is so funny. Oh my gosh,
I'm laughing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
I didn't even really think twice about the wardrobe because
it's just so nice nineties, and they're young and don't
have much money. I mean, I think she's still a student.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Oh she has she has lots of money. Her father
is a very successful architect.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Oh oh, I forgot about that. Okay, so you know
she's one of those rich girls that just wants to
like be bohemon.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Nevern't care. I think, yeah, I guess she doesn't gay. No,
she has this very alicious silverstone vibe from the nineties
from the Arrowsmith video.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Oh yeah, which video.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
It's just the cut of the dress and the socks
and the shoes. It's just not very flattering condiendos. And
someone should have seen that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
I think, well, yeah, that's when I guess you have
a male straight director. You know, if it was us,
we'd maybe uh be like, actually hold on before we roll.
Let's let's do something about that dress.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Not as comfortable, but I think you're gonna look great
in them, so let's just keep them on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
But I did appreciate how the camera does move more
than I remembered. You know, it's more than just kind
of a two shot. There are times like when they're
in the car, in the train, you know where the
camera's turning, or especially in the sequel, Oh my gosh,
I had forgotten when she takes him up at the
end to her apartment, the camera is just spinning with
them going up the steps, and it's sort of a

(01:14:18):
remake of their silent looking not looking at each other
in that music booth. It was really yeah, I mean,
so that was fun to see that kind of redone.
So the camera, this is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
The experience of your eye because you are doing this,
yeahng time now, and you're able to see and make
a note of these things. They right through my head.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Oh that's funny. And maybe because I'm a filmmaker that
I'm conscious of the camera, because I don't really have
the camera move a ton in my short films, but
this is reminding me I probably should, we should spend
more time with the camera moving, because every now and
then that really does add this this another emotion, you know,

(01:14:59):
to what's already happening.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
So yeah, yeah, that's the difference. You're a filmmaker and
I'm like those shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Well you're you're looking at the body a little bit right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
The proportions.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
The beauty, the style, the accessories or in your in
your designs, the lack of accessories. Thank you very much,
Thank you Link later and Hawk and Delpy. What a
trio for this amazing trio of movies. And thank you Totor.
This was awesome. We didn't get to see you. You
did say you were going to be shirtless. This is close,
so I like it, but I mean, I like, I like,

(01:15:34):
I like to get it's winter. It's winter, you gotta
it's you must still be freezing if you take that off.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
I'm cheap. There's no there's no heating in the apartment.
That's why I'm plugging the dog all the time. But
I'm wearing like a white tank top, which is it's great.
Main character in a horror movie.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Absolutely, you're so right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
You're not allowed to start in a horror movie unless
you one of those.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Absolutely, you're giving me Ryan Philippy, Freddy Prince Junior, Chad,
Michael Murray and House of Wax. Right, you're yeah, you're
wearing the uniform. Oh yes, exactly. Oh yeah. And that's
the story of Jesse and Selene. How romantique. Now I'm
about to go rewatch before midnight and think of ways

(01:16:19):
to continue this couple story. Thank you all so much
for listening or watching, and thank you to my wonderful, beautiful,
thoughtful international guest, Todor Iliev. This was his first time
being a podcast guest. What an honor to have him.
Didn't he do a great job and he's so pretty?
I mean, how can you do any wrong?

Speaker 6 (01:16:38):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Check out his designs also very pretty at iliev Illustration
on Instagram. And thank you also to our cameos from
Rudy and Jason. Spread the word about this podcast and
spread the love since it's a really crazy world out there.
Thanks straw Hat Media, Kyle Motzinger, Greg Clements, and Portland
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(01:17:00):
Rewind if you're not already to see more footage from
this convo and from this movie, and to find out
what the next movie will be on the show. Hint, hint,
it's a February eighties movie set during detention.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
That's all for now, and in the words of Jesse
and Selene.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Nice goodbye

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
Later