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September 30, 2025 • 92 mins
You're not totally buggin' - Clueless is now 30 years old! To celebrate, Mark welcomes his homies Melissa Ward and Jason Kashiwagi back on the show to take a trip down memory freeway. This trendsetting, aspirational Amy Heckerling classic only gets better with age, but they wonder if the romantic ending is actually pretty weird and ponder what direction the upcoming TV show continuation could go in. Plus, Mark shares what happens in his Clueless 2 script that he wrote in elementary school, the trio decides if Paul Rudd or Jeremy Sisto was cuter, and the other 1995 teen movie Kids (less virgins in that one) gets a shout-out.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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(00:27):
Mark J. Parker, a movie lover and movie maker, and
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(00:48):
one of the Class six, a comedy that stands the
test of time and only gets better with age, and
that is Amy Heckerling's Clueless. I know, I'm totally bugin
because it's all my October and I'm late getting this
episode out, But you tried driving in platforms. I could
never leave this masterpiece out of my lineup.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
As if, really, Alicia, as if.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
So grab your friends and your friends of Dorothy, where
your plaid and your knee highs? And if you'd like
to watch or rewatch Clueless before continuing, It's currently streaming
in the US at this very moment on Netflix, Hulu,
Paramount Plus, Canopy, maybe even some others, So you got options,
all right, Betty's and Baldwin's hop in and ignore the

(01:35):
stop sign because we're getting on the freeway and it's
time to rewind. I have two amazing guests that are

(01:55):
so you both remind me so much of this movie.
So I'm so glad we were able to make this work.
I have Melissa Ward nurse mel is back on the show,
and we have cha Chay we hate Schaeferman just like
that is here. Wow, perfect timing. The show ends, but
now a new show begins for Chay. No, we have

(02:17):
Jason Kashawaggi is back. He was just on. Jason, you
were just on a few months ago for Brady Bunch,
which is perfect. We went from Brady Bunch movie to
now Clueless. Mel your last visit was Little Women, right,
was there anything more recent?

Speaker 3 (02:30):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Okay, So I love this. We're like just you both
are following me along with this like mid nineties great
time in our young lives and now we have Clueless,
which just turned thirty. How does that make you both feel? Jason,
I'll start with you, how does that make you feel
that clean?

Speaker 1 (02:45):
The fact that it's still relevant and so that makes
me feel that I'm so relevant.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
There you go mm hm as you as you report
live from the Hollywood Hills love that. What about you, Mel,
how does this make you feel? That it's thirty?

Speaker 4 (02:59):
I'm fine with it. Honestly, it feels honestly timeless. So yeah,
the fact that it's thirty kind of means it doesn't
really compute, like, yeah, if you could have come out
like last year.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Right, It's it's so like eternal in a way, and
like it's amazing how it's one of those few movies that,
like still every time I watch it, I actually, this
is a rare time for me, everybody. I watched the
movie twice before coming on today. I watched it in
the theater when it just came out like a month ago,
for like a couple of nights, and then I was like, well,
you know, because when you're watching it in the theater,

(03:31):
you can't really like take notes or like posit or
look up stuff. So it's like, let me do that again.
But every time I watch it, like, it doesn't feel
like an old movie, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
I think because even back then, like the styles were
their own, Like it wasn't really like it was influenced
by the time, but it kind of created like its
own faction.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Absolutely, it's very much like a.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Famous language in a way.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, You're so right, because everyone looks looks crazy,
you know, like like some like half of everyone looks
normal at the time, you know, and then the other
half is just fantasy wild like fantasy looks, you know.
And then yeah, the way they speak. Some things, of
course were real, but a lot of it feels like
it's own made up language. You're right, it feels timeless

(04:19):
that way. Now, Jason, you grew up on the West Coast.
You saw this probably in the theater, right, Yes.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I don't thing weekends.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Wow, Oh my god, mel and I were too young.
We didn't. I didn't see in the theater, did you.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
I do remember when it came out, No, but I
remember the chatter about it, yeah, about like it being
her stepbrother kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Oh, so you remember hearing about that like at a
young age. Interesting. Okay, wow, the kind of like a
sort of risque. Yeah, yeah, totally. That's so funny. And actually, Jason,
I'm just realizing it's so perfect that we're talking about
this movie and step siblings getting together, because that was
Cruel Intentions.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
I was gonna say, is that someone else? He knows?

Speaker 1 (05:03):
No, no, no, no, no no. But but it's funny. Is
so melded Little Women we did coul Intentions. Now we're
doing Clueless, like we're doing like the modern class like
modern classics, the classics.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
You're so long these sort of new versions, whether you know,
like pru Intentions and and Clueless were like modern retellings.
Of course Little Women was period, but you're right that
whole wave of like hot young women especially, you know,
but like bringing back the classic stories. Jason tell us,
since you how old were you when this movie came out?

(05:38):
You were a teen?

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah? I was fifteen.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Oh my god, you were shares age. They're all like fifteen, right,
She infamously says one of the best lines, Well, I
was born in April, so as someone older, can I
give you advice? She's older by like a month, right,
But wow, so you were at prime age for this.
Who did you go with? How did you feel? What
was the crowd? Like? Do you remember?

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yes? So it was part of my like every week
my group of friends in high school would go see movies, okay,
and so Clueless was one of them.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
We just knew that because we were hitting all the
teen movies. Every teen movie.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, there was always like a new release back then.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Oh my gosh, there was always something.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
It was really catering to teens, especially exactly.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, and I've said this, said that on the show
before that, like and especially like starting kind of with Clueless,
it feels like but maybe even before, but this was
like such a wave of like teen content was so
like popular important, right, and now I feel like, I
don't know, we're all older. I don't feel like teens
really are.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
That dominate the way.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, right, what would Netflix? Yeah, they're they're You're right,
they're they're watching Netflix and things that we don't even
like probably know about, you know, or the just on
their phones, which like one of my one of my
young acting clients, I had asked her last week. I said, hey,
because every now and then I like to just ask,
you know, which I'm curious, but also I want to
hear from them. I'm like, so, like, have you watched

(07:11):
anything lately, a movie or a show in the last
couple of months where like, A, you saw a great
performance or b you saw like a terrible performance, and
why you know? And she literally says she's seventeen. She's like,
I don't really know what to tell you. I'm just
I watched a TikTok person's video. I'm like, okay, well, sure,
tell me why you liked it, And it was like

(07:33):
it wasn't about a performance, it was about info. So
it's so interesting.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
They're not really learning.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, yeah, they're not really watching much in terms of
like performances, you know.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
And then straight I still watch things like the Summer
I Turned pretty Oh.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, oh yeah that takes place. Oh outer Banks.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh they love Outer Banks. They love that, and like
kids love like ten year olds love Outer Banks. I'm like, okay,
I thought it was maybe for a little litle bit older,
but all right.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
I know, in hindsight, I used to watch stuff like
that at that age, which is not appropriate.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, parents watch or watch a lot of
these shows too.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yea, yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Like the kids.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
It's the kids are watching you, but also it still
appeals to Yeah, I don't know, maybe some of us
are still just we never grew up mature. I feel
that way about myself.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Oh yeah, oh totally. I mean that's half of why
I have the show, is like I'll just watch something
from the past and I'm ten again. Yeah the summer
I turn pretty I feel like I might have a
lot of teens watching, but I feel like it definitely
has older people watching, you know, for like just that
kind of nostalgia factory. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I don't look at these movies for a nostalgia factor
at all. Okay, really, yeah, you know, as you know,
like I haven't even rewatched Cluless in years, Like I
don't really watch for this or Cretensions or Pretty Pretty
Bunch is an exception.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Actually you did watch Brady Okay, so interesting, So tell me,
tell me why no interest in rewatching.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
I mean, I guess there's always new things for me
to watch. Yeah, and I already have the memories, like
you have visceral memories of these films, right, So it's
like I don't need to relive it. I don't want
to relive fifteen year old me.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Do you have any do you have any comfort watches
something that like you go to.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Good question, just like as a you know really I
mean no, no, not even Sex and the City.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Okay Ah, there's.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Some people that are like, I mean, I definitely know
I will not rewatch things.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Okay, I like that.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
I love to rewatch.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Mail is a rewatcher you watch? I just learned this year.
Mel watches Claudiator once a year. I didn't know that
about you. I know, Godfather you watch once a year. Right,
Typically I.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Watch a lot of these movies like if I'm on
a plane, Yes.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
That's nice. That's a nice way to like, has a
great soundtrack.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
The best, great lines, great soundtrack.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Right, And meanwhile, I haven't rewatched Gladiator in decades, so
I got to catch up to you. It is good.
I remember it was great, right.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
It's incredible. It holds up wow too, but you just
haven't rewatched.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
It, so okay, Like right now, for example, the Haydians
need to come to America, but some people are all,
what about the strain on our resources?

Speaker 4 (10:29):
And it's like when I had to start.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
In party for my father's birthday, right, people came that
like did not RSVP.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
So I was like totally bugging.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
I had to haul ass to the kitchen, squish in
extra place settings and like people were on mismatched chairs
and all. But by the end of the day it
was like the more the merrier, and so if the
government could just get to the kitchen rearrange some things,
we could certainly party with the Haydens.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Wow, you guys talk like bonnuts.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Oh well, this is a really good school.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
So remember years ago, Mel, do you remember like ten
years ago? I think it was for the twentieth anniversary
we did clueless trivia. Do you remember that with like
a bunch of people. Jason, were you there? Yes? Were you?
I think you were there? Oh my god, Oh yes,
it was that big day daddies. Yep, yeah, big daddy.
I don't think we won, but I feel pretty big daddies.
Oh big big daddy's.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
I think that was for your birthday, actually, Mark.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, I think I think it was on my birthday, right,
or it was right around our birthdays. Yeah, But so
that's funny. You were there, Jason, yeah, CC and there
was like a group of us for sure. It just
came to me, I know, what the hell I feel
like we really hard. Yeah, but Mel and I, I
know we've talked about how like this movie also gets
better and better with age, because you know, we were
what I don't know when I saw it. It wasn't

(11:45):
probably a ninety five. I was probably a little later
on TV or renting it, right, so, like I must
have been maybe nine or ten, so, you know, and
like I loved it so much like I thought I
would seeing the like poster. I remember going to the
movies when it was out, but probably seeing Free Willy Too,
which came out the same day or something else, right,
and seeing like the cutout, like the cardboard cutout of

(12:07):
the girls, and I was like, oh, that looks so fun.
But I feel like my mom had said like, oh
that's too sexual or something, because I think the tagline
on the poster was something like clothes sex, like phones,
what else do we need or something, so I think
in order to like maybe attract the boys, the marketing

(12:28):
was kind of playing up a little bit of like
sex comedy when it's really not a sex comedy at all.
I mean just a little bit. But right, so I
do kind of feel like, yeah, absolutely so, yeah, I
saw this later, but as We've said, it gets better
and better because as we got older, we could actually
understand more and more of the jokes, because a lot

(12:48):
of them when you're ten, of course go over your head.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Like I wonder even what I liked. I mean, I
always liked the movie, So what did I like about it?
What did I find funny back then? Oh yeah, so
any of the jokes you will not understand.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Oh yeah, I still am like hearing and like because
especially watching with subtitles, I'm still like learning some of
these great lines and I'm like, wow, that's what they say. Okay,
didn't know you know, yeah, but like you know, the
Crimson wave and like hall ass and like things that
I feel like I learned from this movie.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
You know, Honestly, there's so many parts or lines that
just in my everyday life on the regular remind me
of this movie. Like I'm just living life, and I'll
think of that, like, for instance, the Cranberries.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Oh yeah, the music. Incredibly, if I.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Hear a Craierry song or someone brings up the band,
I think of Clueless.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, yes, oh my god, I love that sometimes And
when I get really judgment I will stay in my
head as a.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Noon is a fantastic character.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Elton is a fantastic character. And you know what, he's
very funny. He's he's we know, like a pig sort of.
But I mean, you know, he's not like that bad
of a guy, because it's just like a miscommunication in
a way, right, I mean, he like gets a little forceful,
but it's funny. Like Elton and even Dion and Amber,
like a few of them kind of fade away in
the second half and it's really all about Share and

(14:23):
Josh and Tye. You know, Tye. It's funny watching this
in the early years love ty love, blah love. But she,
to me was always very supporting when actually she's kind
of a co lead with Share because it's all like
all the change, all the story is centered around this
makeover with Tie and you know how she gets too
big for her bridges, you know what I mean. So

(14:44):
it's funny because like d you know, is so part
of it. And then she kind of takes a back
seat Elton once once, like cher says like leave me alone,
and he drives away. We kind of never see him again.
I don't think he dances with Amber at that cool
mighty mudy Boss Stones party. But that's it, you know.
So it's it's pretty cool that the way the script

(15:05):
is and the amazing casting that like some of these
characters like I'll always love Summer, Let's play Suck and Blow.
It's so random, so cute, you know, not in it
much at all, but like you remember her. You know,
everyone is very memorable. They have their moments, you know,
and then they just kind of dip out when we
got to focus on on bigger stuff. Will be right back.

Speaker 6 (15:33):
Mister Hall was way harsh.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
He gave me a c minus.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Well, he gave me a seat which tracks.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
On my entire average.

Speaker 6 (15:41):
Oh there was a stop sign.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
I totally paused.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
We tried driving in platforms.

Speaker 7 (15:47):
Oh should write them a note.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I mean it does follow the adaptation of Austin's Emma.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
I'm glad you bring it up, Jason, because I was
going to ask you to thank you. Have you have
either of you ever read Emma or or seen the
Gwyneth Paluch Emma which came out.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yeah, and Gwyneth Paltrow one too.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Did you? Okay?

Speaker 1 (16:07):
So? And I was that Eastide Catholic High School. I
was a junior. I believe this is nineteen eighty five. Yeah,
and our English department went crazy over Clueless. They were
telling everyone, all our students, all the students to go
see Clueless.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Wow. They were going to head into teaching Austin.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
So yeah, it's a great retelling.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
We were all everyone in our high school.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Wow, it's a great way to not read the book
and just see the movie and you'll get it. You know,
we had book Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
But yeah, we I think we all got extra credit
if we saw Clueless.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Wow, that's amazing. That's so West Coast. Yeah, I know
that's so clus So like, can you imagine if like
I don't know, I can't really picture where mel and
I went to school, if teachers would be like, I
mean maybe some, but I don't know if they'd be like,
you get extra credit to can see clues. That's pretty cool. Yeah,
I would love that.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Really good.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's educational. I love that. Yeah. Wow. So so oh,
I was just gonna say, did you read the So
you read the book in school, Jason, and then you
saw the movie Emma or vice versa. Did you see
the movie?

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Then? I was interning at the Seattle Film Festival and
Emma premiere there. Cool.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Oh that's great.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
That premiere or you know, screen isn't like a Hollywood premiere,
but yeah, screen.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, that's great to see it. Nice because I know
I think that was a year later, ninety six years later.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
So it's funny how like this movie was inspired by
the book Emma, and then because this was so popular
popular then that they're then like, Okay, Gwyneth, let's do
now the movie. Like it's actually kind of funny when
you think of it, Like, I don't think that would
happen so quickly now. I feel like they'd be like,
let's give it some space and then we'll do a
new version. But maybe not, you know, only a year apart,

(18:00):
same story, you know.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yeah, I didn't realize they were so close together.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
So close, Yeah, because that was when it was kind
of before Gwyneth was That was like as she was
really rising, you know, because ninety five with seven, so
she was with Brad Pitten that but very supporting. You know,
she wasn't like a list star yet. You know, mamel
have you seen the movie Emma and read the book?
Have you done both?

Speaker 4 (18:22):
I haven't read Emma, but I've definitely seen the movie
and I okay, I love that version.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
That's great. Okay, well, I gotta watch it.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
It's actually not my favorite Jane Austen story.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Right, you love Pride and Prejudice? Is that your favor?

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yeah? I mean it's basic, of.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Course, I mean is it? I mean I don't know.
Sometimes the most popular ones are the best ones, right,
I mean.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
That's my favorite. But yeah, really, Sense and Sensibility too.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right, SMA, Pride and Prejudice, those are like the her
major ones, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Of me.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
As if Cher's got attitude about high school boys.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
It's a personal choice.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Everyone has got to make for himself. So Clueless came
out July nineteenth, nineteen ninety five. Real quick, I want
to ask you both. Yes, I can picture this, you know,
as a summer movie, of course, But does it feel
because it's set during the school year, I don't know,
does it feel like summer to YouTube? Or does it
feel more fall spring? Like I could have I could

(19:28):
see this movie coming out really anytime of the year
except winter. But maybe that's just like the California vibe.
What do you think, mel like, does it make sense it.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Works for the summer?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeaheah, yeah, it could work in the fall, right, It
feels right like kind of back to school. What about you, Jason,
do you feel like this is like a perfect summer fit.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
It's a perfect summer movie, but it could have also
been a great spring break, right movie?

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, Like I could see this March April May, like
totally you know, kind of leading up into you know,
a big summer blockbuster territory, you know.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
But yeah, yeah, I guess summer it was great because
you know, I went with a group of friends.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, so, I mean they were smart and there was
a hit, right, it made like eighty eight million or something,
you know, so totally yeah. But so this is what
was going on in July nineteen ninety five, just a
little over thirty years ago. Everybody on the news side,
feel free you to chime in, let me know what
you think about all this. On the news side, Forbes
magazine had just announced in July that Bill Gates was

(20:23):
the richest man in the world, with a net worth
of twelve point nine billion dollars. I remember for a
while like yeah, like that was like every like kids
knew like, oh, Bill Gates, He's like the richest guy,
you know, Like that is such a time capsule for
me hearing that.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
You know, wait, is he not the richest anymore?

Speaker 2 (20:41):
I doubt it, right, isn't it probably like Jeff Bezos
or what? Do you think?

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Right?

Speaker 4 (20:46):
It's still always just think yeah, right, because like like
we especially were at that at that age rich It's like,
all right, well he's the one, you know, he's the guy.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
That's what he's like most famous for, you know, besides
Microsofts and everything on the TV side. You guys are
gonna love this. My jaw dropped. I didn't know this
until this morning. Road Rules premiered on MTV on the
same day this came out. Isn't that like such a
teen dream? Like yes, yeah, that is like a match
made in MTV heaven and singled out with Jenny McCarthy,

(21:18):
was about to say, Jenny Garth Jenny McCarthy. That had
premiered a few weeks prior, about a month before, so
those were the popular new shows on MTV, and of
course this movie, of course, was heavily marketed and and
promoted on MTV with even like I need to like
share it. I've been seeing like they've been coming back
on Instagram like they had Alisia Silverstone, like do special

(21:39):
promo commercials, like you know how MTV would do that
for some movies, Like they weren't really like from the movie,
like she was in a studio as share, just kind
of talking to the camera. There was that. I know
they did that again with on MTV for say The
Last Dance. I remember like Kerry Washington like talking to
the camera in character, you know. Yeah, So like that
was the thing they were doing. On the music side,

(22:01):
Waterfalls by TLC was the number one song huge of
course their biggest song, right, But I thought this was interesting.
Earlier in July, TLC had just filed Chapter eleven bankruptcy,
so they had the number one song, but they were
like three or four million dollars in debt, lots of money, mishandling.
I forget the exact details, but I feel like maybe

(22:22):
it was their management or something wasn't kosher with like
them and their team, right h. So that was a
number one song. Selena our beloved rip Selena she became
in July nineteen ninety five. She became the first Hispanic
singer to have an album debut at peak number one
on the US Billboard two hundred chart and became the

(22:43):
first and only female singer to place five albums simultaneously
on the Billboard chart. So she was huge.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Huge. Do you remember like listening to her a lot,
Jason back then?

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Not a lot? Okay, I remember her plant it being
played on the radio.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah. Wow. So that was what was going on in
pop culture at the time as Clueless was about to
take over the country of the world. It didn't open
at number one. It was behind A Poulla thirteen, which
still I still have never seen. I'm actually really I'm surprised. Mel.
I feel like you would totally have seen a Paula thirteen.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
I remember, like, yeah, I remember being out of the loop,
like feeling like I was the only one that hadn't
seen it back then.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Oh yeah, totally. You saw Jason and it was just okay, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
I mean I liked it.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, I'm sure it's fine. Yeah, yeah, not surprised. I
just remember at that age, my neighbor and friend Mel
knows c J Stewart Egel. Shout out to CJ, who's
definitely not listening to this. He was so obsessed with space,
and I just remember that summer he was so excited
about a Paula thirteen, and I just remember faking being interested, like, oh, okay, yeah,

(23:54):
well yeah you should go see it. Yeah, let's go
see it. Okay, Yeah, let me know when you're gonna go,
and I'll let you know. No, I didn't want to go.
So yeah. So paul thirteen was the number one movie,
but you know incomes Clueless, but other popular movies so,
like I mentioned, Free Willie two came out the same day,
as did a very controversial movie that I still to
this day have never seen. Jason, I'm sure has seen it.

(24:16):
Mel I'm sure has not seen it Kids, the indie
movie Kid. No, No, I've never seen it.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
I have not seen it yet either.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
I am floored. Really, Jason, I feel like that's your
life act.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
I always associate that movie with our friend Sarah's brother
bringing up kids when we were younger, and I was laughing, like,
thinking it was funny whatever he was talking about. He
was like, no, it's serious, Like no, that movie's messed up,
and I was like, whoa, I'm scared.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Oh my gosh, wow, So Matt medical had seen it. Oh,
out Sarah has seen it. I'd be shocked kidding that
you don't think it's too crazy. I'm sure. I mean, well,
back then it seemed to be crazy. Maybe now maybe
not so much. Wow, I don't know. But Rosario Dawson,
Chloe seventy doing all sorts of naughty things throughout New
York City. So that had come out but in very

(25:10):
limited release, very like just a couple of theaters in
mostly I think New York, maybe La you know, so
that was going on, and then, like I mentioned, Apola
thirteen was the number one movie other popular movies. This
will really give you a laugh.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yes, what I thought when you said Apollo thirteen, I
was actually picture Armageddon.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
No.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
I saw Apollo thirteen as an adult.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Oh okay, so you have seen it, but you haven't
seen Armageddon.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
No.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Wow, Now that I'm death, I death saw Oh oh yeah,
I have na actually Elijah Wood, Tayleoni Morgan Freeman, Oh yeah,
you should do.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
A double feature.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
One ye, Deep Impact, And because they're basically the same
movie and came out like a month apart, right, very different,
very different. Which do you prefer, Jason, Oh, Deep Impact
of course, but so other other popular movies that you
might guys might remember. Nine months oddly with that movie
at that age right now, isn't it so weird? And like, yeah,

(26:10):
I have said that too. I guess we just really
got a kick out of Hugh and Julianne. And isn't
Williams in that too, I think?

Speaker 1 (26:17):
And just was the doctor?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yes, yes, very funny. That's where I learned, you know,
the whole terminology of my water broke. I had no idea.
I remember saying that. My parents was like, so what
what why is that bad? And They're like, okay, let's
pause it. Let's tell you what that means.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Right, there's such a negative lore. I mean, oh, is
there remember all the controversy that happened around nine months?

Speaker 3 (26:37):
No?

Speaker 4 (26:38):
What was Oh because that was when he got arrested.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Oh oh yeah, okay, yeah that was like that same
year maybe right after, right, yeah, with the process. Just fine,
he totally did. Isn't that really interesting? We have nine months,
We have one of my faves so silly species with
like the female sexy alien that was a big deal.

(27:00):
We have Mel's daughter's daughter, Gigi's favorite Disney movie, Pocahontas. Oh,
one of her faves. I love Pocahontas, but that.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Was part I saw that in the theater.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Oh definitely, me too, Me too. And also another movie
I saw in the theater, Indian in the Cupboard. I
remember that was like I feel like we went to
see it.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
I actually remember we got there late, and we never
get there late. My mom's friend who we were seeing
it with like forgot our tickets or something. I forget,
but we had to sit way in the front. And
I distinctly remember like that was the first movie I've
ever like walked into it had already started.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Oh god, what a stressful feeling. Still to this day,
it actually happened to me early, like a month ago.
I showed up, I showed up very late, but I
you know, previews, and then I realized, oh my god,
we are like the movie actually started. It's a terrible feeling,
it is. I hate You're like, oh my, I'm not
going to know a thing, what's going on.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
No, that's the only time it's ever happened to me.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Now we have to be like five minutes late.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
No, we were late, my friend Katie and I were.
We were late. But yeah, because now previews are literally
half an hour and somehow we're still like a minute
or too late to oh hi, which was so cute,
A really fun movie that's in theaters or was, I
don't know if it still is, but anyway, Okay, so
those were the popular movies. Now I'm gonna throw it
over to YouTube real quick, like I always do. And
it's always fun when I have more than one guest.

(28:22):
You guys can work together in your own words, does
not need to be long at all. Give me your
own little you know, logline, your little pitch for clueless.
Pretend I'm the executives that really were not so keen
about clueless, And I'll tell you more about that in
a minute. But give me your own little brief summary
for anyone out there living under a rock? What is

(28:42):
clueless about? I feel like, since Jason probably saw before
Mel and I did, Jason, why don't you start it off?
And then Mel you can take us home and wrap
us up. Okay, So we.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Have share a sophomore in at Beverly Hills in a
Beverly Hills high school. She is living the lavish, lavish
lifestyle and she is just trying so hard to match

(29:14):
up her friends. She wants all her friends to be happy,
and she meddles in their lives to make their dreams
come true while ignoring her own.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Until then, Melt can feel free to continue a beautiful start.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Well, I would just say, basically, you're describing and this
is what it is. Is the story of Emma by
Jane Austen. Emma also was basically a matchmaker, instead of
trying to find a match herself or not realizing her
match is right under her nose. Because she's so focused
on setting other people up, she doesn't recognize how she

(29:56):
truly feels about someone right in front of her, someone
that's very close to her. And I mean in setting
up other people, she kind of gets herself into some trouble,
offend some people. It all leads to her coming to
terms with her own feelings about somebody in her life.
And yeah, getting together with that somebody love it.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
That's great. Wow, teamwork.

Speaker 6 (30:24):
Share is saving yourself.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
To Luke Perry Share, you're a virgin.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
I mean, I'm not prude, I'm just highly selective.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
When you see how picky I'm about my shoes and
they only go on my feet.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Nice stems.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
We can jump around, and I feel like this is
a good time to talk about the ending. Mel you
had mentioned you heard the buzz that, like she ends
up with her stepbrother, So like, what do we think
is that that weird? Was it that weird?

Speaker 8 (30:50):
Then?

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Is it weird? Now?

Speaker 1 (30:53):
What thing?

Speaker 2 (30:54):
No? Mel, what do you think it is?

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Personally? It's one of my only complaints about the movie.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Think it is disgusting, and I don't watch the ending.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
They definitely explain it well, like why it's not a problem, right?

Speaker 1 (31:08):
You know?

Speaker 4 (31:08):
They have lines like you were barely married to his.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Mom that was five years ago. He even and he
has a very interesting line that I wrote down today.
He says, Dad says, you don't divorce. You divorce wives,
you don't divorce children. So he's got a nice heart.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Yeah, but Josh doesn't he call her dad dad?

Speaker 2 (31:27):
I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
I think she's something like, that's not your dad.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Oh she does correct him, but usually most times he
just calls him by his first name. Mel. So that's
perfect that you're here.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah wait, wait right? What So it's more a turn
off that he's the stepbrother and not that he's in college.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Oh my gosh, you're right. Okay, that's also a turn
off twofold. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
I don't know what else they could have done it
because the story of Emma, it is sort of not
her brother, but it's someone very close to the family. Again,
like I was wondering the one that her dad sees
as like a son.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Okay, but he's actually no, there is no family connection. Okay.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
I don't remember exactly, but I got it.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Interesting. Yeah, I wonder why Amy Heckerling made Josh a
stepbrother because it's a little complicated, you know what I mean,
and not a neighbor. You know, another movie would have
actually the twist would be share falls for Travis because
they sort of bond at the end, do you know
what I mean. Yeah, No, Jason's like no, no, no, no, no, no,

(32:38):
Travis entire perfect.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
We know, financial hierarchies, materialists.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Huh oh of course, like Omel hasn't seen materialists yet,
But yes, you are so right. There is a structure
to things. Yes, but that's so interesting, Mel. Yeah. So
I've kind of you know what's crazy, guys, I kind
of all these years of watching this movie, and I've
seen it many times, I kind of forgot that. Yeah,
she's fifteen sixteen and he's like eighteen nineteen. He's like

(33:11):
a freshman at college in college. Wow, yeah, that's.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
It might even be a software already older.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, she does say like a great line that is
one of the more under the radar one. She said, Oh,
freshman's psych rears its ugly head. You know, he's like,
I'm not even taking psych. So I think it might
be a freshman you.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Know, probably and he's just all the time.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, I guess, yes, I guess.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
That's the way. The fact that he used to be
her stepbrother, that's a way to explain why he's always
at her.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
House, right, Yeah, what do you think, Jason, Is any
of it weird to you? You brought up the.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
College different of that era. You know, a lot of
high school students were sleeping with college students. You know,
Oh my god, were you one of them? I wish?

Speaker 4 (34:01):
But yeah, we would would have would like to but.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, right, I mean yeah, that was like the goal,
but like very few people I feel like, actually did it,
but like at the same time, it felt like everyone
was doing it. Yeah, you know, it is funny because
it's legally wrong, but it was such a thing, like
you knew people that did it, you know, we know
people inhigh school that had like an older boyfriend older PRIs.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
She was sixteen, he's nineteen.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Say yeah, it's really in the grand scheme of things.
It's not an age gap really at all. But at
that time in your lives kids, you know, talk about
kids the movie. Yeah, you know, it's complicated. So it
is interesting that Amy Heckeling wanted to not only make
them family by marriage and this age gap. But it
is so cute. It works, and I have to say,

(34:46):
every time I rewatch it, their banter they're bickering gets
cuter and cuter. It's so good. They are so good.
Do you know what?

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Actually I don't like the part when she starts liking it,
like realizing.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
She likes it, Okay, you sort of like, what is
it that you don't love? You just started to not care.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
I don't know, I start to get I guess a
little weird it out.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Yeah, we're on the couch and she likes him.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Oh yeah, when she's in that when she's combing her
hair and.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
She feels all self conscious.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, yes, things, yes, Oh my god, you're right, the
self conscious bit. Maybe that's also what it is. It's like, wait,
share cannot be self conscious. So this also just feels
so wrong, you know. Yeah, it's tough because I do
love her. A great kind of shopping montage during All
by Myself and the Fountain, and she realizes like I
love Josh, you know, like I do love that and

(35:39):
the memories of him and Paul Rudd's so cute. But yeah,
it's weird. The movie. The movie is in my opinion,
I mean, it's so perfect, but it does dip a
little bit for me kind of right before that when
Ty is getting kind of like we were saying, like
too big for her breeches and like the guys at
the mall, the mall, I know.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
I hate that. Yeah, and then post the scene afterwards.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yes, and of course we get the iconic I think
we should say her line all on the count of three, one, two, three,
you're a virgin, who can? Right? We get that, which
is probably so I mean it really, and I have
to tell you because I know Alicia maybe isn't always
the best actress in everything she does. But Alicia's reaction

(36:23):
that shot of her looking at Tie and she's kind
of holding her breath and she's she like, let's out
this sad sigh. Like that was way harsh. Tie like
you can feel like she was just punched, do you
know what I mean? It's so good and Brittany, Oh
my god, so good. So we at least get that
iconic moment, Like I think that is the moment of Clueless.

(36:43):
Is that line right? Most people are gonna say that line,
but yeah, it's sort of the movie just kind of
like droops a little bit.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
I think in conflict, Yeah, I think it has to insecure.
This is share being confronted with.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, this is like the all is lost moment. Things
have to crumble and then and then they quickly you know,
you know, get solved. Right, But I know what you mean, Mel, Yeah,
Like there's just kind of like a I think we're
just supposed to feel a little like icky around those moments,
you know, because they're kind of back.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
To You also have like secondhand embarrassment when the lawyer
or the whole like when they're going through the papers
helping her dad with the case and she like messes
something up, yes, and then the other lawyer makes a
comment to Josh, I love.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
That other lawyer. Yeah, so comfortable. He's like, I don't
care what you do with your butts, but like and
he's like he's so mad about like these papers. This
is going to set us back a few hours, right,
yeah it is. It's weird, yeah, because that's when Josh. Yeah,
they have to they have to truly like come together

(37:52):
in a moment of failure, right, like they can, like
that's what helps build them each other up. I guess, right.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
So do you guys think that they would have ended
up to get like would they have gotten married one day?

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (38:06):
I think, I hope. So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Yeah, I mean she is sixteen, so what are are
you going to date for ten years?

Speaker 1 (38:14):
No? No, they get married at like twenty.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
And then divorced because cher Horowitz is not getting married
at twenty. Daddy was not allowing that.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
No, no, Daddy would not allow that, even for Josh.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Even for Josh.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, I never know, you never know, you know, twenty
twenty something twenty year olds are getting married.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Now, oh god, fools? Really yeah, I'm excuse my friends,
but you fucking fools like you are idiots and see
you at your divorce. Okay, like many like I don't
like that. Well this brings up a great so your question,
now do they do they get married? Okay, real quick
and then we will talk more about some some scenes

(38:54):
and the music and the wardrobe. But the news broke, Jason,
you and I and CC were on that email back
in April. Well, the news broke this year that there
is officially going to be the Clueless sequel series with Alicia. Okay,
so that really that is in the works. Yes, Alicia
cher is back, you know, and of course we know
that there already was the TV show for three seasons.
I believe immediately after the movie, which I did watch some,

(39:17):
you could sort of feel the upn of it all.
It wasn't really as exciting, but you know, it was
fun to see a lot of returning faces. Right, But
this is like legit, Alicia's back. I'm sure they're going
to try to get some some others back. They have
to write what do you think, like what is the
story for share? Now? Are she and Josh married? I

(39:39):
assume they probably are divorced. I don't know right.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Where he's dead?

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Oh yeah, just like yeah, that's what everyone likes to
write nowadays.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Husband died, move forward. Yeah, and since Paul rud is
so huge, is he gonna I mean he has done
He did that really interesting show where I think he
played a couple of characters on Netflix. It was like
a short lived limited series. Do you guys remember that?
Would he do a TV show?

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Not a clueless show.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Because he's like in the Marvel movies and you know.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
The show actually happens.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Oh you think, you think maybe it's not going to happen.
Hmmm interesting. Why do you think that, Jason? It's just
it's just.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Too good to be true. Three. Yes, you can't these
stories because she's.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Not involved at all in the actual Legally Blonde TV show?
Am I right? Oh she is producing it. Okay, okay, yeah,
but no Mindy is Mindy involved in the show.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
See, that's a bummer when, like you hear of these
kind of exciting people like collaborating and they're working on something,
and then like you know, we know Barbie had like
multiple iterations with multiple writers, Amy Schumer, you know, all
these different people. So yeah, it's so interesting when things
are announced and then just quietly fade or turn into
something else. All right, you got a good point. Maybe

(41:01):
it won't happen. There were books, There were not one,
but two different musical stage musicals of the show, I believe,
Am I right? Jason? Because there's the Dove Cameron one
which was kind of short lived, and then now there's
like a new one. Yeah, in the West End. Is
it like playing right now?

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Do you know the Off Broadway version with Dove Cameron,
was it you box? Right, just with rewritten lyrics to
the songs, whereas the West End has some of the
classic songs from the movie, but it's new songs, a.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Lot of new original songs that the characters sing. Okay,
I thought it reeked.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
I believe that was her designer imposter Perkin.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Amy Heckerling is a very interesting filmmaker because she had
and now this is perfect time because now I'll just
tell you a little bit about where everyone was in
their careers. Okay. So Amy Heckerling obviously writer, director, and
I mean this script is magic, Like I think this
script is one of the best ever, ever, ever, ever, Right,

(42:02):
But when you think about it, she actually hasn't had
a ton of movies, you know, before this she was involved.
She had written, directed, and produced most of those look
Who's Talking movies, which I did love as a kid.
You know, they would say them right, they were like
year after year leading up to this, Right, So she
had that success. Of course she had. Oh she did

(42:23):
National Lampoon's European Vacation, which I still have not seen,
but I know fans of the Vacation movies. Oh do
you like it? I feel like that is the least
fave of the vacation movies. Yeah, but you love it?

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Okay, because I know people love the original until is
it really crazy?

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Oh? Okay, Amy Heckerling, all right, because I know people
love Christmas Vacation. I guess Vegas Vacation has sort of
hit or miss. That was fun. I liked it, but okay,
you like European, all right. But she had that, and then,
of course, most famously, she had Fast Times at Richmond High,
which was like her first movie. She didn't write it.
That was Cameron Crow, which is pretty amazing that the
two of them collaborated. But that was huge, huge for her.

(43:00):
That made her like a star filmmaker. So yes, it
is interesting that after Clueless she never really had hits
kind of in that region. You know, she had Loser
with Jason Biggs. She did work with Alicia a couple
more times, at least one more time in Vamps. And
she worked with Paul and Stacy dash in a movie
that actually was really good, but it's just, for whatever reason,

(43:22):
got really held up in like studio. Yes, I Could
Never Be Your Woman, which was a relationship about a
big age gap, and I think it was set in
La so it sort of felt like the DNA of
Clueless was sort of there. I liked it, but you
can never find it. I mean, it's like it's weird.
The rights are always weird with that. But so the
idea for Cluss was first a TV pilot. So she

(43:45):
wrote a TV pilot in ninety three and the title
I Kind Of Love This was called No Worries. And
then as time went by, you know, she had her manager,
she would show it to different executives apparently, and everyone
liked it and thought, actually, this would be a great movie,
even though execus katives had come to her saying, we
really want a TV show about the cool kids, not
the nerds. We want the popular, rich, cool kids. You know.

(44:08):
So the goal was a TV show, but then everyone
thought make it a movie. But then after she turns
it into a movie, then all these executives were apparently
telling her, oh, well, there aren't enough boys, like it's
so female centric. We're going to pass, and not until
Scott Rudin, infamous producer who you know, major jerk, not
until he got involved. Of course, a man has to

(44:30):
get involved and fix things. He gets involved, and then
all of a sudden everyone starts really loving it, taking notice,
and then there's a bidding war. And so Paramount bought
the script for the movie Clueless, which was great because
they owned MTV, Nickelodeon, you know, so all that synergy
there with marketing, with promoting, right. But I thought this
was interesting because I am one of the very few

(44:51):
people that I've seen clips of Fast Times at Richmond High,
but I've never actually seen the whole movie. I know,
it's crazy. You've seen the movie, Jason? Have you ever
seen it?

Speaker 7 (44:58):
Mel?

Speaker 2 (44:59):
No, Okay, we gotta watch it because people love it.
I know.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
It's isn't that like a stoner movie.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
It's kind of like a stoner movie high school?

Speaker 3 (45:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
The famous character is Jeff'spiccoli, played by Sean Penn. He's
a stoner, right, surfer, dude, blonde, you know. And speaking
of him, she said, here's a quote. The most successful
character in anything I'd ever done in you know, Clueless
Time was Jeff's Piccoli in Fast Times. People think that's
because he was stoned and a surfer, but no, that's
not it. It's because he's positive. So I thought, I'm

(45:28):
gonna write a female character who's positive and happy, and
that was Sharon and very smart because we love this cute, blonde, positive, bubbly,
clueless girl. Right, what is there to hate? There's literally
no one thing to hate? Are you kidding? What the

(45:53):
hell is that?

Speaker 6 (45:55):
Who?

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Calvin Klein?

Speaker 2 (45:56):
You got to see if anyone hates Share? Yes, she's
actually and yeah, she's a little rude to Travis. She's actually, yeah,
rude to Travis. She's pretty mean to him, and she's
mean to Amber. But honestly there meets to each other Amber,
and it's so funny how Amber's in the in the

(46:16):
TV show like the first show as like their friend,
because it's like, you guys are absolute like friend of
Me's like emphasis on the enemy, you know, yeah, right,
like they they're a little like they cut each other down,
you know. So sh Share can be mean, but no, overall,
I mean, are you kidding? She sees tie and any
I mean, we all went to school with mean girls.
Any girl who's popular and rich and spoiled. Seeing tie

(46:41):
Ty Frasier coming into gym class, they are not going
to take her under their wings. So Share is our
mother Teresa of nineteen ninety five. I mean, you know,
let's give it up her for share, right, So you know,
so that brings me to I'll just briefly talk about
our leads and where they were in their careers, because
I think this is interesting because this and I assume
you guys agree, this cast is perfect. Does anyone out

(47:03):
a place do you think? Right? And it's so funny
because not all of them are famous, really like some
of them really kind of you know, kind of went
to the wayside, you know, which is fine, But I
really it just goes to what I always think is
like there is a role for every actor. You just
got to be at the right place, right time, ready

(47:24):
enough for it, you know, because a casting I just
think is perfect. So we'll start with Alicia real fast.
She had mostly been known for dramatic movies because she's
in one of the best, The Crush, which really got
her noticed. She's in Hideaway a Dark I think that
was with Jeff Goldbloom, Like she was doing some dark
stuff like in like the year two prior, and of

(47:45):
course she really became a pretty famous face from the
Aerosmith music videos, right, she did three of them. I
forgot she was in that many crying, amazing and crazy
with live, right, and that's what really got Amy's attention.
But so this was like new territory. Sorry for Alicia
doing comedy, and she does it so well. I mean,
you know, and I feel, like Amy has said, sometimes

(48:06):
she wasn't even acting sometimes just really was Alicia, you know,
just like ye say these things.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Right.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Apparently Hadians was a total accident and they did not
correct her. And I love that. I think that's great.
I love it. Right, So that's Alicia. Paul Rudd, the beautiful,
great Paul Rudd, which as a kid I never really
thought he was that good looking, but as an adult,
oh my god, what a babe. Those eyes? I mean,

(48:32):
do you guys agree as you get older, like looking
at him now and even back then, like WoT, oh
yeah you knew Jason you just yeah, okay, all right,
it took me a while to realize for sure. Right,
but Paul Rudd, can you believe debut film? Like had
not debut? This was his debut? Why debut that came

(48:53):
out a couple months after this, just two months. Oh,
he might have maybe worked on that first maybe or
like back to back, but yeah, that came out September
of ninety five, Halloween six, which is like everyone's least favorite.
But I don't know, I kind of like it. It's not
that bad. He's pretty good. He's very moody completely, I
mean he's moody in this, but completely different movie. What
a crazy nineteen ninety five for him. So first movie

(49:15):
that actually like you know, came out first. Right. Then
we have Stacy Dash, which we know she's crazy, although
it seems like in recent years maybe she's kind of
slowed down on the crazy. I don't know she's leveled
out right, because she was yeah, no, the yeah she was.
She was pretty extreme there for a while. And noticed
how like none of her cluelest friends ever were alike

(49:38):
seen with her, talked about her. Right, But she does
seem to have leveled out right, And she's so good
in this too, and so gorgeous. She is the prettiest, right,
and like she's got some good sas great lines, like
she is very good. We forget how good Stacy Dash is, right,
she had just done Renaissance Man with Danny DeVito and
Mo Money with Damon Wayan, So she was, you know,

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busy in these years leading up and last, but not least.
I mean, let's just let's just give a round of
a clause for the great I miss her. She was
so good. Guys, Britney Murphy. I mean, all of these
people are great, but wow, like I really feel like,
I mean, Alicia makes the movie, but right behind her,

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I think is Brittany Murphy. I mean, without Brittany Murphy,
this movie would feel very different, do you know, right?
The accent when she's in her makeover, you know, to
I'm a super model, Like it's so cute, the bouncing
the curls. Yeah right.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
I don't think I liked her as a kid, but
I appreciate her in the movie as an adult.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah. What do you think you just weren't gravitating towards
her when you were young?

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (50:45):
I guess she just didn't hit for me like I
always thought Dionne's boyfriend Murray Murray was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Yes, oh yeah, but she she wasn't that funny for you.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
No.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
I think because of her getting like an ego and
stuff like that. I didn't love it.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Okay, she turns on us for sure. Yeah, but she
is just so stinking good in this movie. She had
done lots of TV. She was only seventeen making the
movie lots of TV, including The Torcal Sins. Do you
guys remember that at all? The Tortal Sins aka Almost Home?
So yeah, Mel, that was like I think I watched it,
that is maybe maybe once it was in syndication. I

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feel like it was on Disney Channel, so it must
have been like an ABC show short lived one season,
but it was just a really cute family drama edy.
I think she was like the neighbor and she was
so quirky, so I knew her from that before before
seeing this movie. I was like, oh, the Tortal Sins.
You know who loved The Tortal Sins and we would
talk about it was Liz Mackay.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
I'd never heard of it from the interesting Okay, yeah, yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Was definitely a TV girl, So yeah, wow, you gotta
I wonder if maybe you I think The Torkal Sins
was on ABC because I would watch it after school
reruns on Disney Channel like some you know, around ten
years old or so, maybe you know.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Yeah, I didn't have a Disney channel actually, so oh okay,
I have not.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Heard about Heard the Air.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Oh but but you know what it is. You remember
it was a show.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Yeah I never watched it.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yeah, you probably were like beyond that. Yeah, okay, you know,
like there's an actress I don't know her name, but
she was the mom and she's a very unique specific actress.
I just rewatched Idle Hands and she's like she's in it. Anyway,
I'm going off tangent, but anyway, so those are our leads.
I'll leave it there. That's where everyone kind of was

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in their careers. As then Clueless comes in. So now
in our remaining time, we can go around the room.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Here.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
I want to hear like favorite moments, favorite lines, like
favorite songs. Because the soundtrack slays favorite looks, we can
just jump around. You know, what is clueless to you?
When you think of Clueless? You know, when you watch
the movie again, what are you most happy to see again?
You know, because this is the kind of movie where
I can quote it before they say the line, because

(53:06):
I know what's coming, right, So mel let's start with you.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
I love obviously the party scene, rolling with my homies.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Oh my gosh, rolling with the homies.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
I love when Donald Faison is getting his head shaved,
ye and Dion's flipping.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Out, flipping, I'm calling your mother, right.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
I think probably when I think of Clueless, I think
of that scene with her walking in high school and
the guy tries to put his arm around her and
she's like, as ef, That's what I think of.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
It's such a visceral first to introduce that line, right,
it's so yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
But I just loved that part where he's like, I
can't find my CD.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
I gotta go.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I can't find my Cranberry CD. And then I'm pretty
sure he's singing it later in the car with her, right,
he's singing. He's like trying to really like flirt with her,
and she does not care, and he's like, turn away.
I love that you're you're like an Elton girl. I
love that you, you know.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
Seem to really you know, I would go out with him,
but I do, but he's entertain bits were.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Good, Yeah, yeah, who's cuter back then? In nineteen ninety five,
Paul Rudd or Jeremy Sisto who plays Elton, I.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Mean Jeremy's sisters, all.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Right, oh you okay, We're split.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Run has aged better. But I think comparing those two, yeah,
just in that movie at that age.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Elton Jeremy System, Yeah he was so like yeah, like
you know, the jaw was sharp.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
I have been trying to get you together with tie Ty?

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Why would I go with Todd?

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Why not?

Speaker 6 (54:46):
Why not?

Speaker 7 (54:47):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Don't you even know who my father is?

Speaker 4 (54:52):
You are a snob and a half?

Speaker 2 (54:53):
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the more you know. Here are more of my homies
joining the val party. We have Alison Cantaveros, Brad Posa
Kai I think I might be butchering your last name, sorry,
brad Hi, David Park, and Olivia Barbarian, who's an actress
in my film's casting Kill and your last summer Take
it away classmates.

Speaker 6 (55:57):
Hi everyone, my name is Alison from New Jersey and
I'm a friend of Mark since high school. It's so
wild to think that it's been three whole decades since
Clueless hit theaters in nineteen ninety five. I can't believe
that so much time has passed, and it honestly just
makes me feel really old. It felt like just yesterday
we were watching Clueless on repeat while sleeping on Mark's

(56:18):
futon in his New York City apartment after drinking Mike's
hard lemonade all night. The nostalgia this movie brings for
me is unmatched. I remember being totally obsessed with sher
In Dion's fashion and spending hours looking at outfits in
my deliest catalog inspired by their iconic style, wishing they
could give me a makeover. Even thirty years later, this

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movie has stood the test of time as one of
the best teen films in history and definitely one of
my favorites, share being like the original influencer.

Speaker 8 (56:49):
Hey Mark, this is Brad. I'm going to give you
some of my Clueless history. I discovered the movie on
VHS tape and not at the movie theater. I'm not
sure why. I'm guessing I didn't know what it was
when it came to the movies because I was extremely sheltered,
and I would watch it over and over again on

(57:11):
VHS tape, and then I bought the soundtrack at the
mall and I would play it twenty four to seven
on my boom box when I was playing video games.
And then I found novels at the bookstore and I
would read those, and I still have those novels in
a box somewhere. And then the TV series came out

(57:34):
and I would record those and watch those over and
over again. One of the best movies ever made.

Speaker 9 (57:42):
Hello, Really State rewind podcast. This is David. First time
Long Time Clueless turns thirty. I am totally bugging, honestly,
this movie's on the Mount Rushmore of high school films,
especially nineties one. Every single scene is jam packed with
quotable and iconic moments. To this day, I think Travis's
classroom acceptance speech is one of the all time greats,
and I think of it every time I'm late somewhere.

(58:03):
Chef's kiss Skater poetry, and yes, every time I passed
Circus slicker here in the Valley. It's not quite Sun
Valley artistic license, close enough, I immediately have to say,
and I will totally shoot you in the face or
Sun Valley anyway. Murray another standout. Donald Bezon doesn't get
nearly enough credit for how funny and charismatic he is

(58:23):
in this role. And I always hit my wife with
his frustrated whenever we're stuck in traffick or she does
anything that frustrates me. Paul Rudd total dream boat in
this movie. One is any Walla Shawn Legend. Amy Heckerling
nailed it. Tone, character's vibe, whole cast is perfect. Britney Murphy.
This was her breakout role for me, and she's unforgettable

(58:44):
share all time movie character. She walked so Elwoods could
run the soundtrack Rips Mighty Mighty boss Stones playing at
the party, total vibe. Don't need to get into what
some cast members are up to now, but let's just
say in this movie, they're flawless timeless. Clueless isn't just
a classic. It's a snapshot of an era, and I

(59:04):
referenced it so often. It's basically a second language in
this house. Happy thirtieth to one of the greatest teen
nay greatest movies ever made. As if we could ever
forget you.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Hello.

Speaker 7 (59:17):
My name's Olivia Barbarian and I saw Clueless with Mark recently,
and it was my first time seeing the movie, and
I have to say, I don't know why it took
me so long to finally see this movie. I thought
this movie was super sweet. I thought I had a
large charm obviously watching it now in twenty twenty five,

(59:39):
like seeing kind of like some of the old school
like touches of the cinema, and like even some of
the words that the characters were saying, you could just
tell like it was in a different time. But I
also felt like the piece was really classic, and I'm just.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Like kind of like a feel good movie. I walked
out of that theater.

Speaker 7 (59:57):
Just reflecting on it and just feeling so good about
you know, the stories and the characters, and the little
bit of love that happens between that girl and guy
is like super subtle but super sweet like throughout and
I don't know, just everything kind of comes around like
full circle at the end. But in general I loved it.
And it's so funny because after I had seen it

(01:00:17):
with Mark, I kept popping up like all my Apple TV,
like in my different things. It was just like popping up,
and I was like, oh, it knows and knows that
I saw it, and then I loved it, and then
I'm probably gonna end up watching again at some point soon.
But but yeah, it was a really overall, really really
good film and I'm glad I saw it after all
these years of it being out. And I think if

(01:00:38):
anyone's out there and hasn't seen it yet, like me,
you're not too far behind. I would definitely give it
a chance when you can. And it was a really
good overall movie to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
So Yang.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Whatever knows something with good hair back, m.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
What are you doing?

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
You know what? I also like Donald Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
It's Donald's sons, so good fun.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
And a guy that played Christian.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Yeah Christian Christians great, but you know, right off the bat.
As I get older, Christian right off the bat is
bad news. And that has nothing to do with him
being gang. That was just like just like with him,
like arm on the door, where should I park? You know,
he's got this attitude and like how he talks to
SHARE's dad. I'm like, are you kidding me?

Speaker 7 (01:01:41):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Like no, I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
I like that swag swingers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Oh that's interesting, yeah, very pre swingers. And like what
is what does her dad say? I love her dad?
Oh my god. As I get older, Dan Hedeia, what
a scene stealer in this movie? What does he say?
Like just because Sammy Davis died, you think there's an
opening for you in the rat Pack or something like that, right,
you know? But yeah, Christian is a very interesting character.

(01:02:09):
So funny. How again, as a kid, I didn't really
see the signs, but as an adult you see the signs.
You know that he is not into her, and she's clueless,
oblivious and not until Murray in the infamous Freeway scene,
like the best scene ever comedy Gold but he says,

(01:02:29):
you know your friend Christian? What does he say? Is
an disco dancing Oscar Wilde reading striis in ticket holding
friend of Dorothy, you know what I'm saying. And then yeah,
says he he does like to shop dress. No, he
says he does like to shop share and he sure
knows how to dress.

Speaker 7 (01:02:48):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Oh. What I love about this movie is that it
doesn't follow trends. It created trends absolutely, A created language,
a created fashion. It you know, the music, like none
of this was in the lexicon at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Which is really wild because apparently Amy Heckling did go
to schools and like or at least one school and
like watch the girls, and she she heard some things.
But then I guess just yeah, like made up these
these great words, right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Yes, like she took it from La but then it
went across the world.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Oh yeah, of course, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
You know, the world knew the Mighty Mighty Bostones.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I love that scene too, that that whole that party
is a party, Like the house party is really fun,
but the dance party with the Mighty Mighty Bostones, Like,
I want to go to that. I want to go to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
That falls on the stairs you and never did you
ever go to a Skot concert?

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
I mean back in the day in like middle school,
like older middle school, our friends, Suzanne Cooter, SU's Cooter
and I would go to the shows. They were like
like local bands would do like like SKA punk shows
and like old Church and we would like thrash around
a little bit. It was kind of cool, you know.
It was like a five o'clock on a Friday. But no,
nothing like that, like no, with cool lights and a

(01:04:10):
bar and you know all that cool stuff. No, but
I love that scene. And apparently that scene was originally
supposed to be outside, but because of rain they had
to move it inside. But I think it works really
well in like this warehouse with the lights and oh
my god, do you think anyone saw? And then I
love I love talk about a great one line role.
Oh my god, are you okay? That looks really bad?

(01:04:31):
And I just love how Tide goes. Yeah, thanks, so funny,
so funny. You know, the movie doesn't have too much
physical comedy, but the few which is I think good
because then when you get too physical it becomes something else, right,
But there's that their share falling off the bed, trying
to be sexy for a Christian. You know, the few
bits of physical comedy are really good, really good, you know,

(01:04:54):
totally yeah, yeah, good shout out to Mona May the
costume we have to she's been on the show. I
interviewed her for romy Michelle, so listeners check out. She
talks about clueless what I mean, the costumes, the wardrobe. Yes, Jason,

(01:05:15):
what's your favorite look?

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Definitely the Calvin kline.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
The like the white dress that okay, interesting, simple, classic, Okay,
the underwear dress right because it's defiant, yes, but you
know it's funny. It's defiant, but it's still so innocent.
It's not like super duper sexy, you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
It's not like she's like no, you know, but yeah,
there's something in the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Way that it's like she's defying her father. She is
going to the valley. They're going to showcase her money,
which bites her.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
And Jason, you you know better than me and mel
all these neighborhoods, like I still don't know, Like, so
is the valley different than sun.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Valleys in the valley, But that's I think more.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Okay, because when she gets mugged, which I was gonna
say is one of is like a scene I have
to shout out. I mean that is true. I mean
I just laugh every time. This is an Alayah and
what a But when she calls Josh, you know, and
she and he's like where are you? And she goes
Sun Valley. I'm like, so is that different than the
Valley because they've been driving right okay?

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
And then like it's now a very wealthy neighborhood by
the way.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Oh really interesting, and it's like do you think thirty
years ago it wasn't really wealthy? Yeah, okay, pretty different. Interesting?
What about like oh in Sino, what about the great
after the party? You know, Shares really trying to get
Elton to go home with with Tye, So they're doing

(01:06:51):
that great with summer. They're like, no, you need to
go like as like a West Coast kid. And then
of course you've lived in LA for years now, Jason,
what do you what do you think of all that
banter with like no, you can take this and that
and things that like mel and I don't even understand,
you know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Oh love it it is you know, it is real.
That is accual, accurate language. You know, yes, Californian sesnels
get made fun of it, but that is real.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
That's like true.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Yeah, you know, take the four h five.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
To the one oh one, to the no, I'm south
of what is summer says I'm on, I can't remember now,
I should have written it down. But then then ties like, oh,
I'm right below sunset or something, and it's just like,
I love this. I don't I cannot picture this at
all on a map, but I love I just love
how this very simple conversation about just going home creates

(01:07:46):
such a great tense moment for what Share is trying
to set up here. Love it, love it. What a
great exercise with you know, the physical back and forth.
Love it, love it, love it right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Yeah, it's its own language.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
But yeah, with mona maze looks, I mean we get
so many amazing looks, mostly for the girls. I mean
the guys get some cool looks. Travis has a very
distinct look. Christian of course, is very dressy. But out
of all the girls you know, from Share to Amber
dion Tye Summer and all all the extras, I mean,
it's amazing. Also, I didn't notice, Honestly, you're gonna laugh

(01:08:23):
at me. I didn't notice until watching it on the
big screen on June twenty ninth this year, how many
female extras just got those jobs? Did you write so
many of them have the like, you know, they all
got nose dumps because at the time, you know, that
was I guess everyone was getting stuff done right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
It's but popular, that is still relevant.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
I'm sure. I'm sure. Yeah, freaky all across you as.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
The world, not just LA, it's not just New York.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
But what do you think about what are some of
your what are the most iconic outfits for you in
this movie? What comes to mind? First?

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
Definitely the yellow plaid.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
The yellow plaid absolutely, which then Iggy Azalea even did
in her video remember that, and that really.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Yeah, Dion's when she's wearing like a maroon dress.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Oh okay, yeah, I love I love Dion's like toilet
bowl hat that we put in. Yes, that's iconic too.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
Yeah yeah, the red shares red Ala dress.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah that and then as I
feel like that is an iconic moment, and like because
she's also got the furry thing and she's got the
red satin shoes that Travis bills Stephan at the party, right,
Like what a look. She looks so cute, I have
to say real quick. In that dress at the party
when there are just so many great lines just at
the party, let's go bump into people, Let's take a
lap before committing to a location, like oh my god, poetry,

(01:09:46):
do you know what I mean? But when she's dancing
with thy who just wants to hang out with with Travis,
but she is annoyed and she says, Tie, I need
you and dance and she makes Tye like go around her,
and she's looking at Elton man, Alicia just looks so good,
like that actual a romantic tension between her and Elton there.

(01:10:08):
Oh yeah, right, But also I love that Tie. I
need like so good, like just the right amount of
fake polite, because she's getting annoyed like Lee, like Travis
is no good? Right. I saw a video. She wears
like fifty five different outfits in the whole movie, so
it's hard to travel. Oh my god, which I mean,

(01:10:29):
how was that not a real thing yet? I remember
seeing that and being like, wow, I can't wait to
have that, Like I'm sure maybe some rich people might
have something like that, but like, how has that not
become a thing? Hold alone had the talk Boy home
alone too had?

Speaker 6 (01:10:42):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
We saw that in stores? Why did we not get
like some sort of fashion software? Oh my god, that
was amazing, right, yeah, iconic and what a way to
start the movie, you know, to David Bowie's fashion playing
in the background. Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Other thing this movie is aspirational.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Mm hmm, amen, tell me more, Jason, Why.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Because it's like, not only are these teenagers rich, what
backs it up is that they all have point.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Of views, they're very cultured, and that she says, this
is a really good school.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
Well, this is a really good sort.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
You guys talk like grown ups, like I love Tie's accent,
Like every time I watched it, I just want to talk,
you know, Oh, you got coke?

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
She really thinks they're talking about coke the drug.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Right, because is like a drug like like she it's
over like like crack, like they're talking.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
About comes from the bad area. Where did I come from?

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Well, she sounds like she's from New York And in
the script, in the actual script, she I think it
says she has a New York like Long Island accent.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
Yes, she's from but they say it's a part of.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Do they say it in the movie?

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
They do?

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
I just know the principal whoever says this is Tie
for which who joins school in gym class like, I
don't know if that's I don't know, maybe it happens. God,
what an awkward way to start a new school. Can
you imagine, oh, God, walking in and then being told
you could be a farmer in those clothes, which in
the script it's different. I was looking through and now,

(01:12:18):
of course I don't have it open, Amber says, and
actually it's Dion. Dion's a little more mean. In the script,
Dion says you could be something else in those clothes,
but they changed it to farmer, which I mean, another
iconic line. Are you kidding? Of course? Right? But I
just remembered the maroon dress I'm thinking of. Amber is
then wearing the same dress at the party, right, yes,

(01:12:39):
unensembly challenged, right kind.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Of question for you? Tell me, Yeah, do you have
any friends that hate this movie?

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Well, they're not my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
I feel like, really, do you think because it was
just so popular that they just like just to knock
it into it or they.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Just hate the money the rich.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Yeah, I could see that. I could definitely see that
turning off some people. But for me, it's just part
of this fantasy, because like this is borderline not real
life at all. I mean, you know what I mean,
it's so colorful and just.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
So we are in the clueless world.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Well, you said it's aspirational, So.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
It's aspirational, and it succeeded everyone that make her. Now
everyone's an influencer, everyone has a strong point of view.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I feel like what you're saying right now could be
Shares opening a voiceover of the show, of the new show,
every this I was aspirational. Everyone's a you know, blah
blah blah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
Right, yeah, right, she'd probably be an influencer nowadays. You're right,
it show that they should make her like a mommy influencer.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Totally, and she does it so effortlessly, like it's she
has so many followers, she's like so in demand, and
she's just like what, it's not a big deal, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Like and then just have a venture into yeah, have
have shared a venture into the simple plan.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
And you know what's so sad. I can't believe I
was just saying. This guy's like I just said, And
then ty can be like no tie So yeah, how
can you do a show without tie around? I mean
you can, but.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Yeah, it would just be Shares. I mean, they might
just be stupid like Girl Meets World.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Yeah, TI the TV show.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
That's true. Yeah, because Brittany Murphy took off you know, like, yeah,
we know Alicia took off Paul Rudd. I think apparently
later in this show, Paul Rudd did make a cameo,
but not as Josh, So Josh, I guess. I guess
they broke up, like Josh was not around in the show,
and then Ty was not on the show. You're right,
so yeah, there are waste of course, cut some rolls out,

(01:14:49):
but oh man, it would be so funny.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
It would definitely make them divorced because that's realistic.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Honestly, I'm like, you know, I'm just
fine with Share coming back and then yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
New people. You know she's got a yeah, new people,
and like, yeah, she hangs out. It'd be nice to
see Summer. I guess she could see Amber. But Amber
and her have to still. I can't remember what their
relationship was like on the first TV show, but they
need to be They could be like neighbors that oh
that's good mel where like they do not like each other.
It's just like Shar's got to go, and then Amber's like,

(01:15:25):
oh where are you? Off to and it's like, you know,
or their kids go to the same schol yes, and
they have to constantly bump into each other and they
don't like it. And they're still amber, still copying the looks. Right, yeah,
this is.

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
The reason before it commits your location.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Another scene that just I just that just popped into
my mind that I really love. And another great song,
the al right song we Are Young, we Are the
fountain and the photo shoot and that's such a nice
like that is I thought, that's well, And then the
max email came in the beginning the montage. What is
this like Anaxima commercial? So much fun that jeep? This

(01:16:05):
is what this is the movie that made me realize,
like I want a Jeep, and I still want a Jeep.
I guess they're not really that safe, but I would
love a Jeep, you know, if I had the money
for like a summer car, because he really wants a
Jeep in the winter. You know, that's like if you
got to move to LA and each car it's a
good beach car right driving around. I mean, you know
I had the convertible back in the day, like that jeep.

(01:16:25):
Oh my god, jeep. Oh yeah, I'm sure I told
you that, Jason. Yeah, I guess you never Yeah you
never saw it? Yeah, I guess you wouldn't have seen it.
It was in Jersey. But oh yeah, I was driving
around with the top down with Mel. But yeah, the fountain,
Oh yeah, very unsafe. That's why my mom was so
soised off the Christmas Day two thousand and four.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
I guess yeah, yeah as a mom, I.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was no ball kid driving around
in that. There was no like safety bar like so
many convertibles after that. Yeah, Like we would sit on
the back, oh, Mel, we would do very yeah lucky,
and we would speed and two of us would be
in the front and two would sit in the back
with their hands up like at night, at night where

(01:17:10):
like anything can happen. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Do you never pretend that you were like Share Dion
and the characters like in high school? Did you ever react?

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
I'm sure, I'm sure I did. Well. Funny you ask.
I wrote a script that I actually have. I scanned
it with all the scripts I hand wrote. It called
Clueless two. The first title it was so clueless too, Colin.
It was first called The Boy's Side and instead of and,
instead of Share Dion and Tie. On the cover, it
was Josh, Travis and Murray and I drew it on

(01:17:41):
the stairs right and then I realized this is two boy,
and then I just I renamed it Clueless two Party
Time and the whole thing is and I was rereading
it the other day. It's actually so bad. I mean,
I wrote it when I was like ten, but it
is bad. The scenes are so short, and it's just like,
do you want to go shopping? Okay, want to do this? Okay? Sure,
Like it's very short, but the whole it's so cute,

(01:18:04):
and I had the long list. Everyone was back, except
it literally like took place right after Clueless one, you know,
Sher and Josh were still together. I added a couple characters.
They were babysitters this time, and I'm like why now,
like why would share a babysit? But Sharon Dione were
babysitting and they were like talking about how annoying their
their kids were, and they're like, let's go party. And
so the whole thing is just about an an Easter party.

(01:18:27):
It's Easter and they're going to a.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Party, and that's really Oh my god, I did.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
I did, so maybe I should give that to the
creators of the show, and hey, if you want to
use it somehow, right, But so, yeah, I answer your question.
I'm sure I was re enacting all of these characters
because I really there's something to love about every one
of them. You know. Why, how about you, Jason? Were
you doing it? You were a little older, So were
you like reenacting any of this or probably not?

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
No, But I felt like when I started freshman year
of college, I was influence because I went to Loyal
the Mayormount.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Oh yeah, and it was rich. Oh wow, yeah, that's
so interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Yeah, to navigate.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
She went to Loyola mary Mount Manhattan. Jason went to
Loyal mary Mount in La. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, because
there's the mary Mount Manhattan one. Yeah. She went for
like a year. Oh okay, yeah yeah, I could see
that totally just blending right in with the with the
cast of Clueless.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
What about you, mel Did you reenact any of this
like at home or with friends or anything.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
I don't think so, no one. Yeah, but I mean
definitely loved it and oh yeah, continue to watch it
any chance.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
I guess it's it is the coziest, fluffiest warm blanket
like man this. This will cheer me up at any time, right,
it's so and we didn't get a chance. We can
briefly talk about the teachers. I mean, miss Geist is
so great, Twin Kaplin, and then and then Wallace Shawan,
who I love how mister Hall should they say is
forty seven. I'm like, oh my god, forty seven years old.

(01:20:01):
Forty seven is different now he probably was, but it
looks different now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Right, I thought Sean gave the movie like the New
York cred.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
H Yeah he was, and he's so good. He's so funny.
His voice, I mean his voice is iconic. Right, and
then the teacher, Miss Snoger, Oh, he's prolific. Of course,
the adults like because Twin Kaplan worked with Amy Heckerling
a lot, you know, so like they they add a
great credit. And of course, like we were saying, Danhdea
such a great Oh my god, he's so great. I

(01:20:33):
love when they go to that mighty money Bostones party
and Josh is like kind of jealous, kind of wants
to go, and he's like, I don't trust Christian, like
and then I love how Daddy's just like, Okay, go
go to the party. And then the camera stays on
him and he gives he gives a little look like
he knows what's going on. You know, yes he does.
So I guess we can't hate that the step siblings
get together if daddy's cool with it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
Yeah, I mean they're not really related.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
No, it's fine, it's fleeting. It would be very very
strange if their parents were still together.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Mary, Yes, yes, you know. And then I shout out
to Julie Brown.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Julie Brown as Miss Stoger, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
Who also worked with the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Uh huh yes, mm hm, credibility absolutely because that's I
believe how Amy Heckerling. They knew each other from Julie's
MTV show, right was it an MTV show? I think,
or at least it aired later on MTV I forget.
And that's how Mona Mae got involved with them as well.
So yeah, there's like really cool. I don't think so.

(01:21:32):
I think that was a little before her time. Out
of all the great songs, what is like the song?
I know Mel was talking about the Cranberry So maybe
that's your choice, Meil, but you could change it. What
is like one of these songs in the movies? What
is that like the ultimate song that reminds you of Clueless.
For me, it's the end, It's tenderness, love the ending.
It is so joyous, the wedding, the slow motion kiss

(01:21:54):
the dear, like I love it, love it, love it,
love it. What what about you, Jason? Do you have
like a song that is like, oh yeah, my boss zones? Okay, okay, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
That is so of the time, but it is still relevant.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Yeah. Yeah, it's such a unique sound and it fits
this California upbeat, colorful vibe so perfectly.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Yeah, and you really know about Scott until the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
That's so interesting, Yeah, because like No Doubt, it was
kind of rising, but yes, you're right, it was sort
of setting that trend. Yeah, And it is funny because
I know just a Girl from No Doubt starts Romey
and Michelle, which I always think of those two movies
are like in the same world, right that that is
the beginning of the movie for Romey and Michelle, But
it is in this movie a little bit when they're

(01:22:41):
driving around the jeep. So there's some songs that are
you know, lower and like very very short, you know,
and then you have those songs that are like the
montages like between Tenderness at the End and Supermodel. You know,
I mean those are like iconic clueless songs for me.
What about you? Malas? There a song you know besides.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
Cranberry's Supermodel, That's super Model.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Yeah that was big. Yeah, Oh my god, it's so
perfect for this. And Jill Sobuel, who who sang that,
just died recently in a really tragic way and a
house fire.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
She was home and a freak. I don't even know
what caused it, but a freak house fire. Just a
couple of months ago. She was just in Portsmouth doing
a show and I was actually thinking of going to
see her maybe, although I only really know like two
songs of her doing a show and then a couple
days later she died a couple of months ago. Yeah,
really sad. She was like on tour, so it's crazy.
So sad.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Yeah, yeah, but that's Did any of you use Noxima?

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
No? I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Actually, you know, is that right? They're separate?

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
Yeah, that would dry out your skin.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Yes, I feel like maybe I tried it once, but
I remember hearing that, and Noxema was most famous in
my mind because Rebecca Gayheart was like the Noxema girl
and the commercials. Right, yeah, why did you use a ja?

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Mm hm?

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
What's crazy? Now? Are like the ten year olds are
all into skincare.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Oh Jesus, really spending.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Hundreds of dollars at Sephora.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
I mean every time I'm in Sephora, which is rare,
it is a very nice store, Like, I look around
and I'm like, what should I buy? You know what
i mean?

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
So I get to spend money there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
It's easy for things to add up. But yeah, that
makes me sad. When you're ten, you should not have skincare.
I mean wear sunscreen, but that's about it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Yeah, it's crazy. So I was like with my friend
and we were like, we dropped off her kids at
the mall. They're about to start freshman year of high school. Wow,
and what they're into is so sophisticated, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Because social media was it?

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
Oh my god, that's so funny social media.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Yeah right, it's probably because of what they have access
to on their phones. They learn so much. Now their
skin is going to be amazing. They're going to be
the skincare generation.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Overdo it. It's like, what the products that they're being
told to do cancel out their skin. Wow, that is
just like, yeah, the clueless world is still so relevant.
M you know the people that want to be rich.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Yeah, it's going to be any something we can all
relate to.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Oh totally.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
Yeah, popular are like it's just you know, like adolescents.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
MTV really did it back then, really pumped it out,
and now it's social media.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
You're so right, you are. That what an interesting way
to think about it. MTV was our social media back then,
between that and then like AOL chat rooms, I mean right,
but you know, but we have that and now TikTok
and install and snapchat are the MTV right, and that's
where they're learning.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
All the share would be on social media. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:25:51):
I think Hamber, my plastic surgeon, doesn't want me doing
any activity where balls fly at my nose.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
There goes your social life.

Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
I'm gonna be a super model.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Yeah, even for me.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
The moment it started, I connected with m I love
that so much. Yeah, I connected with it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
But I think it's very smart that they start with
such bold and they start and end with such bold colors,
like we're being transported. It's like a mirror to society.
But it's like a little bit of a fun house mirror,
you know, and we're on a ride, you know, Yeah,
and then we.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Hear me dirty yelled, what we're gonna say, Jason? I
guess like final thought, like I did, like educationally, Cluis
did teach me the ideas of what trends are and
how what is the beginnings of like zeitgeist and stuff
like that, Like I didn't quite understand it at that time,

(01:26:48):
but it did teach you in some sense forward thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Mmmm, yeah, I hear that it's pop culture. It really is,
especially for our age, you know, anyone older maybe not,
but for younger people at that time. It really is
kind of like a guide, you know, it's a guide
of a movie, like because there are great lessons to learn.
It's actually very wholesome, you know what I mean. So
like it really is a nice kind of like lesson,

(01:27:15):
you know, on the thing on how things can kind
of spiral out of control, how to be nice.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Shares mom a total Betty never got to meet her.
She died during routine liposuction, which always scares me when
I hear that, I'm like, that is scary, right, do
you think this is just a little philosophical, philosophical question.
Do you think Cher wants people to get together because
her mom died and dad isn't with anyone? Okay, Jason's nodding. Okay,

(01:27:44):
because the movie, a different movie would have, you know,
kind of made that more obvious. But mom has talked
about in the beginning and we never talk about her
ever again, you know what I mean? Yeah, isn't that
kind of sweet? That like? Ultimately, I think it's the
story of a girl who's missing her mom.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
Yeah. I think she's trying to be a caretaker because
she doesn't have one. She always had to step in
that role for her dad, so she's used to taking
care of people and she wants to take care of
her friends. So yes, that's why she's trying to be
a matchmaker.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
I wonder if Sharon the sequel show will be a
matchmaker or if that's too on the note that that's
too obvious, right, it'd be cute, right, it's a cute
call back. My god, what if Share is a matchmaker
and it's almost like she like she has like that's her,
that's why she's an influencer, She's a matchmaker. Yeah, well,
then you get a Patti Stanger cameo and like there's
a reality shower or something. Right, Okay, so that's one

(01:28:35):
question I want to be right. Then it then materialists
comes comes in, right, final question, Betty's and Baldwin's. Betty's
we know from from Flintstone, you know, the very pretty girl,
pretty woman, and then Baldwin handsome guy. Right now, this
might be a little invasive, you know, I can cut

(01:28:55):
it if I if it's weird. But for each of you,
think back to high school, who would you say, we
can't we can't say ourselves. Who would you say was
a Betty and a Baldwin? So mel in our school?
Who who for you was a Betty, a total Betty,
a pretty girl? I guess it's like okay, yeah they

(01:29:16):
were Betty's Yeah, and were the Baldwins Hayes brothers.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
Yeah, I guess so, I mean me or just like
to the.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
School, no for you? For you, it was like who
would you call a Betty and who would you call Baldwin?
I mean maybe they listened and they'll be father.

Speaker 4 (01:29:33):
Crush on Greg now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Greg Noll, Yeah, so he was your Baldwin?

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
And then I wouldn't say he's a universal one though.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
No, but that's all right. That's your Baldwin. Yeah, that's
all right. And then the Venarias are your Betty Betty's.

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
I think they're objectively pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Yeah, okay, how about you, Jason, who do you remember
from your high school? Who was a Betty and who
was a Baldwin?

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
Actually I don't remember, Jason. I don't believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
I don't believe that you have a high school.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
I hung out like outside of high school.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Okay, well who Okay, was no one cute? I was
just like you went to class, you graduated high school.
You don't remember a cute boy cute girl?

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
No, I mean I don't remember their names.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Oh you don't remember names? Okay, so yeah, yeah, I know.
My Baldwin was Greg Paluso, so pretty, remember him, so pretty?
And then Betty. I had very pretty friends. But if
I couldn't name Mel, I really did. I mean, I

(01:30:40):
think we were a good looking group. I mean we
were like doing all the plays, so you kind of
had to be pretty. But no Betty, Betty, Oh gosh,
I don't know. For now, it's Mel. But if I
have to choose someone else, that smells here. You know,
I gotta think more about that. I mean, Shannon Bellen
was pretty, but that's an obvious choice. I want to
think deeper. I think like a little out of the box,

(01:31:01):
you know, I don't think about it. Yeah, I'll add
that in later and post. All right, well, thank you,
thank you friends, Thank you so fun. I so appreciate
your time. Tenn where is that? Tuns where is it?
And they all lived happily ever after. Britney Murphy, rest

(01:31:21):
in peace. We love and miss you so much, so
happy to have such great performances of yours on film.
This is the second Britney Murphy movie of the year
that I talked about on the show. First one was
Girl Interrupted if you listen to that episode, So we
love you, Brittany. Thank you everybody for listening or watching
this episode of release date rewind, and thank you to

(01:31:43):
my wonderful guests Melissa Ward and Jason Kashawagi for being
in my click. They could never be a full on monet,
never Hagsville with those beautiful faces. Tell your fellow clueless
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(01:32:05):
the U Run podcast Network, Kyle Motsinger, and the Portland
Media Center in Maine. Next up on the show, Everybody,
We're staying in nineteen ninety five and we're discussing a
very colorful queer and campy double feature. Can you guess
what it is? What came out after Clueless? That's colorful,
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