Girl, Interrupted (25th anniversary)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hey everybody, it's release date. Rewind a podcast that celebrates
milestone anniversaries in film. Welcome to another episode of my show.
My name is Mark J. Parker and I'm a film
lover and filmmaker, and thank you so much for checking
this out on the straw Hut Media network wherever you
get your pods or watching on YouTube. January has not

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been great, so I hope this episode is a nice
distraction for you and maybe makes you laugh or at
least makes you smile. Now, there's not much smiling when
you're stuck in a psychiatric hospital in the nineteen sixties
during the winter, but we're making the most of it.
My theme here for the month of January has sort
of accidentally become movies starring Winona Ryder surrounded by strong

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women in Massachusetts. So we have more of that for
you today. We are celebrating the twenty fifth anniversary of
the Oscar nominee James Mangold's film Girl Interrupted, which is
based on the memoir of the same name by Susannah
Cayson played by Winona. So grab your friends, wear your florals.

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I think I'm gonna just start saying that in every episode.
Now it just felt right for this one, and I'm
just gonna continue it. Why not right now? If you'd
like to watch or rewatch this movie before continuing it
sadly doesn't seem to be streaming anywhere right now with
a subscription currently in the US. Want wah, But you
can borrow it from your library, you can rent it,
or you could find it on some random site somewhere.

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All right, patients, take your medicine and settle down, because
it's time to rewind. Okay, everybody, I am so excited
to have a new friend, well new chatting, but not

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so new on Instagram. We have bonded over movies and
memes and all sorts of cool nerdy stuff. Please welcome
Rudy Valdez to release date rewind, Hi, Rudy, Good afternoon,
Good afternoon, good evening, and good night. Who used to
say that? Didn't like that? Oh? Yeah, yeah yeah, Johnny
Carson and then and then didn't? I think it's Jim Carrey.
Doesn't Jim Carrey say it in the Truman Show show?

(02:19):
I think he copies it? You're right, I'm like, wait,
wait where did I hear that in a movie? Yes? Anyway, Hi, Rudy,
thank you so much for joining me on this show.
Rudy had you know, We've been Instagram friends for a
while and I saw you were kind of liking some
stories about this great movie, and I was like, hey,
you know, Rudy could be really great. Let me see
three let me see if he wants to do it.
And everybody, you just heard his voice on the show

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not that long ago. Rudy, you made an amazing little
voicemail for Black Christmas. Really great stuff. That's right, you
had some good thoughts. I love Black Christmas so much.
It gets better and better with every rewatch.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Do you agree? I agree? It's a watch every December.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Oh do you watch it every year? Oh?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
There are certain movies you want to watch those certain holidays,
and that's one of the yes.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Real quick?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
What do you think of the remakes? The two thousand
and six remake and then the twenty nineteen one?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Okay, so I like.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Them both Hot take okay for its own reasons, totally,
and I liked I didn't mind twenty nineteen. I know
a lot of my horror friends hate it, but I don't.
I don't mind it. Yeah, you know it has its
own little twist to it.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
It definitely does. I didn't see that it, yeah, but
I just love like a shutdown campus. You know, some
people run around screaming. It always works, so.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
You can always shut down for some reason.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Or right, of course, it's always. Yeah, there's a really
good you might have seen. Oh god, I think it
was called Christy with a K. Do you ever see Christy?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Oh no, I didn't. Don't think so. No.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
I think it's like ten years oldish. It's the same thing.
A girl, maybe a couple. I think it's just her.
I think she's alone, if I remember correctly. But it's
the campus is shut down for Thanksgiving break, so it's
not Christmas, that's Thanksgiving. But oh my god, Rudy, add
that to your list. I think I found it on
YouTube a few years ago. It is so scary, so intense, Christy.

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Check it out, all right?

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah? Thanks? Many more Thanksgiving movies too, at least horror one.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
So yeah, right, yeah, we need more Thanksgiving horror for sure,
or at least I need to discover it more. I
know again they're out there, it's just so few. Yeah, yeah, totally,
But anyway, we are not talking about, well, we are
kind of talking about I mean, this movie kind of
takes a turn. As you know, we just rewatched it.
This movie takes a turn towards the end, and it
kind of does become a horror movie in these tunnels,

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the under the institution that they're in. So I guess
it all kind of makes sense. But before we nerd
out about girl interrupted, Rudy tell us about you. I
know you write movie reviews for local news, right newspapers
and things.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, so started at the end of the past summer,
I started writing movie reviews for the Lamott Weekly.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
It's a local paper here in Portland, Oregon.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
I have a friend who's like an editor or assistant editor,
and he asked me if I would be interested in
trying our doing some submissions and seeing if his editor
wanted to bring me on. So every now and then
I'll pitch some movies that I want to see. It's
usually poor ones I want to.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Do, but nice. But it's been a lot of fun.
And I've done non horror as well.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
And I've also covered a recent we had documentary here
last fall. It was a queer documentary that focuses on
like local stories our local We focus on some of
the local ones, but they are worldwide docks and stuff,
so I covered that and that was that was a
bigger piece and that was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Nice Rudy, I love that. So do you do you
Is that like your normal like day job. Do you
do a lot of writing for work or is this
sort of like a side.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Oh, this is just fun. I used to write, like
for school and stuff, but my day job is very boring.
It's just like I'm a fraud investigator for financial firms,
so it's flowed.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Ooh, that's spicy, and I don't think that's boring. Is
it boring?

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Sometimes there's every every now and then there's outliers where
things can get really exciting because you catch things, but
most of the time it's just pretty like kind of boring.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well that's good then that at least you then can
you know, do the right gigs on the side to
kind of keep that side of your brain going and yeah,
nerd out and everything that way right.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Definitely to keep my my brain working or thinking.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, and that way you get to you get to
express all your love for these movies because you're a
big movie fan like I am like, I mean, I
feel like, have you been watching movies since you were
a kid?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Oh yeah, like yeah all the time?

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Like right, And my my aunt was the one who
got me into scary movies, so horror, she's what was,
you know, watching my sisters? She's like, you know, let
me let me watch them with her when I was
not supposed to. But so I blame her for all
that she knows it.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
That's amazing. I love it. Yeah, I love hearing you know,
like my dad did not care about what about ratings?
Who cares? Righted, r It's just a movie, Like he
introduced me to some amazing, very adult, scary, disturbing stuff.
So yeah, we have to appreciate those family members that
just didn't care. Whatever, it's not a big deal, right
And speaking of horror, Actually, Rudy, I saw your post.

(06:54):
I saw that beautiful four k uh you have you
just bought up the faculty? Did you watch it? How
does it look?

Speaker 3 (07:00):
I haven't watched it yet because it came in Friday
and by this stuff going on, so I will watch it.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, I love that one. I mean that whole era
late nineties. That was ninety eight, this is ninety nine.
I mean like late nineties. God, it was just so
everything looked so good. Everyone looked pretty good. I mean,
Angelina's bangs they're given actually some gale weathers. I never
really thought about that until this latest rewatch. Was like, okay,
winter of two thousand, we were getting some real blunt,

(07:27):
you know, scary bangs. But yeah, I love the faculty
so much. I saw your post and I was like, yes,
good for you. And that just came to four K. Right,
that's a new discs Yeah right, yeah, like in the
whole yea.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
I was of the price to drop, but it went
up and then it dropped again, so I'm just gonna
buy it, Like I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I know, yeah, how much are four ks?

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Now?

Speaker 2 (07:48):
I haven't bought a four k just.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
While sometimes it's like twenty five to thirty five forty bucks,
this was it was like thirty eight, but it lived
like forty four, and I was like, oh, I thought
I was gonna go down, yeah down.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
I ordered it.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Oh God, I got the substance. I got the substance
four K for twenty four dollars. So it's like it
just depends here.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, that's so strange. I guess it really depends on
the amount that's available maybe you know, I don't know. Yeah,
but wow, the Substance. So you have that on four K.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
It's delayed, but it's on the way.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Oh it's on the way. Oh my gosh. I think
I'm gonna rewatch it. I have a screener because I'm
in the you know, the Indie Spirit Awards. They do
them every year. It's film independent. I'm I've been a
member of them for a while and anyone should if
you love indie movies, and you get to vote for
the awards. But I have a screener of the Substance,
and I think I want to watch it again before
before it expires, because what I'm just so it's so

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fun and exciting that like it's getting so much love.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
You know, I'm happy for it. It was like I
went in blind when I saw it, and so it
was a great, just a fun watch. I gave it
my highest rating last year for the Paper.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
So oh good. Yeah you wrote about that. Yeah, tell
us real quick, because I know we can read your
reviews online at least like some of them. Right, do
you have another review coming soon for the Paper? Is
a thing we can look forward.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
To it's it's like the Shipwreck one, the shipwreck horror movie.
I'm oh, oh, the damned. Yeah I came out.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
I know that came out a few a month or
so ago. Okay, the Damned I missed that one. Was
it any good?

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I liked it?

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Okay, it's like it's like nineteenth century icelandic core.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
It's like set in Iceland. Oh, there was a lot
of It was a really good one. I liked it.
It's pretty cool, creepy. I love a good ninety minute
movie these days.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Oh yeah, I actually just today saw Presence. Speaking of horror,
I saw that yesterday. Oh you saw it yesterday? All right, Well,
we won't spoil it for anyone, but what did you think?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Did you like? I really liked it. The third act
was wild.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I want to rewatch it someday and just kind of
let it all wash over me again, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, I can't wait for me watch it.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah yeah, but anyway, Okay, enough of today, everyone, enough
of horror. We are now going to a different kind,
like I said, a different kind of horror, going to
the sixties, where you know, women already were having a
tough time, but especially women dealing with various you know,
mental illnesses, various issues, and also just issues with the world,

(10:09):
you know, calling them crazy women. So we're gonna, like
nerd out here, We're going to go back in time.
We're not going all the way to the sixties. We're
going back to nineteen ninety nine, two thousand, when Girl
Interrupted came out for its twenty fifth anniversary. Everybody, It
came out in limited theaters December twenty first, ninety nine,
right before the year ended. But I called this a
January movie because Rudy, just so you know, when things

(10:31):
go wide, I always think like, well, that's when most
people were able to see it, So let's just you know,
talk about it when it went wide. So it went
wide January fourteenth, two thousand, and I saw this in
the theater.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Did you see in the theater, Rudy, I did not.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Okay, you caught it later, you think maybe on TV
or you rented it or something.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
I remember stocking the tapes at Blockbuster as I worked there,
so I heard the whole shelf, the whole shelf of
their faces, and Angelina added it the original post you
didn't have her on.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
It was just in a writer's face.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
So when they did the tapes or the release, they
put the Angeline on the cover. So I remember walking
walking the wall and seeing wan On's face with Angelina.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yes, I know it's that interesting because you're so right.
The original poster was almost kind of like Scream in
a way where it's just huge Winona's wide eyes, her face.
But yeah, because Angelina was getting so much buzz, rightfully,
So she's amazing in this movie. And I'm sure by
the time it came to Blockbuster, I think Angelina had

(11:31):
already probably won the Oscar, right because back then movies
didn't you know, come out that way for her home
video until at least six months later, right.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, I think it either she was either nominated or
she had won, because I think we we're seeing like
the logo the Oscar on it.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Right.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
In nineteen sixty nine, the wild Ones went to Woodstock,
the Unlucky Ones went to war.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
There's something happened in Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
If you didn't know where you were going, you have.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
The distinction of being the only seeing you not going
on to college.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
I don't have a plan.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
I just don't want to end up.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Like my mother, who's they said you to Claymore The best.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Place in the world for someone like you is less
than a half an hour.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
For my heart. Welcome to claim wossann Wow, how long
did you work at Blockbuster?

Speaker 1 (12:16):
For a few years?

Speaker 3 (12:17):
It was fun. I made some good friends. I'm still
friends with them today. It was just like it was retail,
you know it. You had a good issue bad. I
always had to work Friday and Saturday nights.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
So oh busy nights. Yeah, so there goes your social life, right,
But I I wish I could go back in time.
I mean, in nineteen ninety nine, I was too young
to have a job. I was turning thirteen in two thousand,
so I couldn't work at Blockbuster yet and then, but
I could have worked there later. And I don't know
why I didn't, because they didn't really go out of

(12:47):
business until well, like I guess, like later in the
two thousands, I think. Right. Yeah, So, man, I'm like
living vicariously through you right now, looking at the walls,
browsing the aisles. That's so. So you're there working and
you're like, Okay, the second girl interrupted comes here, I'm
snatching a copy for myself. Right.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
We got five free rentals a week, so oh, good
a week. Yeah, but they were free. If they were late,
we got fees.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Oh okay, good, Hey, you gotta follow the rules. You're
not any more special than others. Right, wow, but five
free rentals a week, Good job, Rudy, that's a good perk.
I thought you're gonna say five a month, which still
feels pretty decent. Wow, all right, blockbuster. See they don't
make them like they used to. All right, well, okay, everybody,
let's let's rewind. I'm gonna set the scene for you, Rudy.

(13:34):
This is what was going on in January two thousand,
so of course, everybody, we had just survived y two k.
Remember that everyone was nervous about like New Year's Eve,
the clocks are gonna reset and things are gonna I
don't know the technological yes, guy did exactly. Things are
gonna like short circuit and no one's gonna be able
to communicate. Nah, we survived. It was all good right.

(13:57):
On the music side, What a Girl Wants the One
and Only ex Tina was the top song number one song.
I love that song. I mean that album, that first
album from Christina amazing. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I remember
I also had a cassette tape This is so old
of It was the single for Ganina Bottle so oh yeah,

(14:18):
big Christina fan. She was like on top of the
world with that album. Other top songs that were in
the top ten. That just made me laugh, and I
thought this could be fun. I knew I loved you
from Savage Garden. I knew I loved right uh so catchy,
not not really good. I loved Savage Garden for a

(14:39):
bit there, but you know, just that really brought me
back right. And then another good ballad, Whitney Houston's My
Love is Your Love? Oh, I forget about that one.
Sometimes will be right back. Those were some popular songs
on the TV side. Usually January isn't like a big

(15:01):
TV month, especially back then when we were only watching
really just broadcast, you know, networks. But Malcolm in the
Middle had just premiered on Fox. Thought that was funny.
That was when we were starting to learn who Brian
Cranston was. You know, now he's this megastar, but back
then we didn't really know who he was, right, And
I never really watched this. I kind of forgot about it,
and I realized, I guess I never watched that show,

(15:23):
but saved by the bell. The New Class had just
come to an end. I guess I didn't watch it
because the original cast was so amazing that, like, who
needs to see a spinoff with just Screech in like
a supporting role right from yep he was still around. Yeah,
but like newcast. I'm surprised. Actually I saw I was
reading that like lasted six or seven seasons. I did

(15:45):
not watch any of that. I must have just been like,
did you.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
No if I watched anything? I saw clips like right right?

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah? I think like even as kids, you know, we
are already just like whatever, like old news.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
So that was on the TV side and on the
move beside. Other popular movies along with Girl Interrupted were
Next Friday, the sequel to Friday Stuart Little, directed by
the One and Only m Night Shyamalan, Crazy The Hurricane, Yeah,
isn't that crazy? The Hurricane with Denzel Washington, The Green Mile,
Tom Hanks, Galaxy Quest Sigourney, Tim Allen, and the talented

(16:20):
mister Ripley, Matt Damon, Gwyneth Jude. I mean, we had
some a good, a good kind of variety of all
sorts of things. What do you what do you think
of when you hear some of those movies, some good ones,
some okay ones, some you know.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Good ones.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Definitely said the Hurricane, I was like, which, what was
that about? Then I remember the Washington and then the
tapes at Blockbuster and we had a whole wall. We
had a whole wall because it was so popular and
it was always rented out. And then Gog's Quest is
a good one.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Oh yeah, I gotta think they got a recent steel
book or four K, but.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
I think they did too, You're right, Yeah, I haven't
seen that. That's another one, and even the talented mister Ripley.
I mean, I remember it so well and it's so good,
but I haven't really watched some of those movies in years.
Any Quest was so fun, and I forgot how hot
Sigourney there Ie. She is total babe, absolutely and she's

(17:10):
I love her so much so and also just perfect
casting for her to do that movie. I mean, I
really have to rewatch that. And I know Sam rockwell
before he was like super huge, you know, was in
that so justin long You're right, You're right, yeah talking
about it. I think I think I did see that too.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
I forgot it.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, absolutely, I know, so we got some good ones,
for sure. I guess I'm puzzled as to why it
is I have to be in a mental institution.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Call me a can.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Okay, you're a can. You've chased a bottle of aspron
with the bottle of vuk. I had a headache. Incomes
Girl Interrupted, Like we said, in a few theaters at
the end of December. Now in like probably close to
two thousand theaters in January. This is the time when
I throw it over to my guest, in your own words,
and it does not need to be long. Give me

(17:59):
a brief, little summary in your own words. What is
Girl Interrupted about. It can be a little logline, it
can be a little whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
What is it, Girl Interpreter to me is the story
of a woman that are a person who isn't ready
to accept the consequence of her actions and has to
like figure herself out, and she does that by leaning
on the most lean, unexpected people, like the people she's
in there with as far and also the staff. So

(18:26):
she just has to find herself and navigate who who
she's going to be here, what what her impacts, what
she did to herself as far as like she's lost,
and she's totally lost.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
She needs help.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
In finding the path to accepting herself and learning to
love herself again.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Mm hmm, oh beautiful. Oh my gosh. Yes, run of
applause for Rudy. Let's get that on the back of
the four K you know, DVD cover. Yeah, totally. And
it's it's funny actually because I kind of forgot how
young Susanna is. She's like eighteen nineteen, Like she's not
going to college, Like she's like a high school graduate.

(19:05):
So yeah, she's got so much growing up to do
in a short amount of time, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Definitely, I remember like the scene where she's talking to
her guidance counselor about like she's like the only one
not going to college, but she was a writer, you know,
so that I was like, oh, that's why I run.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Oh, she's a child, like she's barely leaving school totally.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, And so do you think because she's still a child,
do you think she like now that we've rewatched it
for the first time in a long time. For me,
now that we've watched it, is, is she actually like
mentally ill, mentally unstable, whatever you want to call it,
or is she just being like a dumb kid and
just needs a little bit of like tough love. What

(19:41):
do you think?

Speaker 1 (19:43):
You know?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
I was, I was I was imagining that, like why
was she in this institution with all these people that
were all obviously had issues of themselves, right, And I
was even I was like, wow, like did she did
they just chuck her in there because their parents don't
want to deal with it, because parents were more concerned
about their image with their friends and the the community
around them. So with their daughter, you know, self harming

(20:04):
herself and they didn't want they didn't want to deal
with they didn't want to talk to her about it.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
So this kind of just pushed her into this facility.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I really just thought she was just a person that
made a mistake. You know, I had a hard time
and she did something an extreme. I just thought that
maybe just like maybe going to counseling would have been fine,
not blocking her up in an institution for eighteen months
to kind of like.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Sold out her stuff. But so that was a bit
of a bit of extreme for her parents to do.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
I agree, Yeah, because especially and like in the beginning,
you know, when we're meeting her and like she's smoking,
and and we learned what she did right the line.
You know, you swallowed a bottle of a bottle of
aspirin with a bottle of vodka something like that, right,
and she says I had a headache, right, so badass.
But like the therapist, whoever psychiatrist? You know this doctor

(20:53):
who's saying that to her, I forgot, but like he's
just a family friend. He even says like, well, I
don't really do this anymore. It's like, wait, okay, she
should talk to someone who does this, you know, who
is still licensed. And maybe all she needs is, yeah,
just like a weekly session with someone. I don't know
if she needs to like be locked away, like like
exactly how you said, with women who have real you know, problems,

(21:16):
real trauma to work through. I mean you got Elizabeth
Moss with the burns, you got, I mean obviously Angelina, Lisa,
you have Daisy, Oh my gosh, Brittany Murphy, Oh my god,
Brittany amazing work. But like you have some real, you know,
dark stuff. And like even even Susanne is kind of
like why am I here?

Speaker 1 (21:37):
You know, like her parents never came to visit her.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
I never come to visit I know that Joanna kurns Man.
She looked so good in this movie. Did you ever
see Growing Pains the show?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, yeah, she's familiar to me. I don't look her
quick like the familiar face and so right, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Look, she looks the exact same from from her Growing
Pains days, like you know, ten years prior. So yeah,
she doesn't have much to do. But yeah, you're so right.
They are so focused on image and the parties and
all that that, like they they won't even be seen
at the at what is it, Claymore, you know, at
the hospital so dark, so twist it. They'll give her
a call, but that's it, you know.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah, And it was thirty minutes away, so it wasn't close,
but it wasn't far, not at all.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
But they didn't even visit. So that was like a
big red flag, right.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
I know, if I was Whoopy, I'd be like, okay, girl,
you need a new set of parents. Let's let's get
you somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Oh I love it. I know she pulled up I saw.
I'm like, oh, yeah, she's in this movie.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, she's kind of She's just waiting there for the
cab to arrive, you know, yeah, Oh she's really fun.
Well wildered out about all these great women, these great
actors that be sweets.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Oh I don't, I don't need them.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
I'm going to have a problem. Look at me. I'll
just kind of tell everyone where our key players were
and how this movie started. Okay, so obviously based on
a book by the real Susanna Cason, right, and although
she apparently maybe you saw this too, Apparently she was
one of the film's main detractors where I guess she

(23:04):
did not love some of the embellishments, Like I guess
Susannah and Lisa never did escape, you know, the hospital
and go to Daisy's house. I guess that was all
made up apparently, but a lot of it was based
on her book. But I guess she was really upset
that they took a lot of you know, fictional twists
and turns that were not real. But what was real
was Susannah really did, you know, have a whole bunch

(23:28):
of aspirin and try to drink herself to death at
a very young age. So at least the beginning is real, right,
and so you might have seen this. To Rudy that
Winona Ryder like was a big not only is she
in it, she produced it. You know, she partnered with
a producer named Douglas Wick. She got the rights to
the book after you know, some kind of rights, you know, battles.

(23:49):
She got it with with Columbia Pictures, and they developed
it for her to star, of course, and so then
it took a few years some different scripts trying to
find the right kind of script for this, and so
I'm sure it was to adapt all this stuff. And
I love the back and forth. We don't see it
like in the last half, but the first half. I
love the cutting between like present and past, and you know,

(24:11):
a door opens and in someone's apartment, I think it's
Jared Leto's apartment, and then you see like one of
the nurses saying checks Like, I loved all that interweaving
of like past and present. Did you like that?

Speaker 1 (24:22):
I did?

Speaker 3 (24:23):
I know, Yeah, that part it just kind of made
it wasn't confusing like some movies will do that and
it can be a little jarring, but this one kind
of made sense because you're you're going through her lens
and so you're seeing what you're kind of seeing what
she's going through as far as what she's remembering because
she's in Klaymoark, so she's probably writing in her book
or thinking about stuff while she's in her room. So
she's having these images and her memories. And then then

(24:44):
reality comes in and it's like, Hi, by the way,
you're still in here.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Right, yeah, I think, And it's so seamless, and the
camera just kind of turns and it's like, oh, we're
back here. I kind of missed some of that in
the later half, but then I remembered, Well, she's getting better,
you know. And she even says, you know, doctors, She's like,
I'm getting better, you know. So naturally we wouldn't be
so kind of all over the place, so it makes sense.
But so yeah, so incomes so writer gets a writer,

(25:11):
director James Mangold, to come in and he co wrote
the script with a writer named Lisa Lumer. He directed
it How funny. He's having a moment right now with
a complete unknown, the Bob Dylan movie he directed that.
Have you seen that?

Speaker 1 (25:23):
I've heard you think?

Speaker 3 (25:24):
My friends recently saw I haven't yet, but they said
it was really really good.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
They thought, really, okay, there's something about that. I'm just
I don't know why I'm like.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Not, yeah, but they're saying that the we're talking about Oscars,
and so they were saying that the nominations were justify
as far as like, well, ok they saw all.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Right, yeah, because it got a good amount, I know,
like obviously Timmy and the actress, the supporting actress Monica,
and then Edward Norton got Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
My friend was saying that he was really good. He's
always really good in the movies he's in.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, he never does a bad job. But yeah,
that it just sort of not that it surprised me.
I knew it was coming, but I'm just like, wow, Okay,
this movie, I guess, really is a major contender, you know,
and now with all these nods for sure. Yeah, so
he's having a moment. But he had previously directed a Copland,
which I never saw. But again going back to Blockbuster,
I remember seeing the the vhs there on the wall

(26:18):
and I was like, ooh, so that's just alone looking
very right, Harvey Kaitel. I think so Copland and he
his directorial debut. His feature debut was a film called
Heavy with liv Tyler and an after named Pruett Taylor Vince,
who then re teamed with James Mangold a couple of
years after this in a great horror movie Identity.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Do you remember Identity?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, I forgot James Mangold did that. He does all
sorts of genres. It's pretty impressive. But yeah, I love Identity.
I haven't seen that one in a long time. At
the Motel Rainy, Yeah, yeah, I love.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
I remember record or Morning was cast in that and
I saw a little crush on her and so she
was in a so I really wanted to see it,
you know, because you know, yeah, so I remember I
hadn't seen it in a while though it's been a while.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, So that's James man Gold. Let's move over real quick.
We'll just talk about our like lead ladies. We'll talk
more about the all the other supporting ladies, but at
least our leads. Going back to Wanona, she was previously
in just up in like in the year or two
right before this Celebrity, which was a fun one with
I think was that a Woody Allen movie? I think so, yeah, Leola, yeah, right,

(27:30):
all the faces exactly. Yes, So she was in that
and also, I mean just two years prior Alien Resurrection.
Going back to Sigourney, so this was an interesting time
for Winona. She was already nominated for an Oscar and
Little Women, which I just talked about. So this is
like Winona month on the podcast. So yeah, this was
a couple of years after that. She's trying some different
things action, like more gritty, gritty kind of drama like this.

(27:54):
So yeah, she's doing some cool stuff. Moving over to
the Great Angelina, who, like we were saying, won the
Oscar for this supporting role. And I mean remember Rudy
when she won. That was the infamous night where she
kissed her.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Brother, I remember that, right, and she looked.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Very very pale, very black hair. I don't know why
she looked like that. Maybe she was getting ready to
shoot Lara Croft tomb Raider or maybe something else in between,
I forget, But.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Yeah, it was just another Sunday for her, right, She's
just like, I'm gonna go We're gonna wear dark clob
black clothes.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
I'm gonna make out with him. We're fine.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah, We're just like two vampires, just like you know
here at the Oscars.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, So that was a big moment for her in
multiple ways. But so she had just previously done the
Bone collector. I remember that. I really like that one. Yeah,
I have the old DVD somewhere Henzel.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
She was also in a movie I love, even though
it might not be great. I don't know if it's
aged well, but a movie one of those many movies
we've seen with like a big cast interwoven stories playing
by Heart where it's her and the cutest Ryan Phillippy
with blue hair.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Right, that was like that movie I love.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I know. I'm so glad you love it too.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
I have it on DVD, And then I bought the
Blu ray because that ray I came out for No,
it's a very small run, but I remember I got
for like twenty five bucks. But now it's like six
years more. But I love to come the soundtrack somewhere
over here.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
I'm so glad you love the soundtrack too. Yes, I
have a song that is the weirdest song, drinking in
La that I'm pretty sure is h huh yes, yes, yes, yes,
oh my god, you're speaking my language. Yes, I think
that opens the movie if I remember correctly, I'm pretty
sure that starts like the opening credits. But yeah, such
a cute Angelina and Ryan and like Gillian Anderson and

(29:40):
oh my gosh, everyone Jenna Rowlands, I mean everyone said
he was an R right, yeah, Anthony Edwards, thank you, yes, yes, yes, yes,
uh huh. And I think also John Stewart before he was.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Like yeah, like cute and.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Right doing like what he does that we know him for.
You know, he actually act going back to the faculty
as well, he was in that, right, So playing by
her and she also of course really I mean we
were just talking about hackers on Instagram. She was in that,
of course. But right before this, about a year before,
she was in that big TV movie that really got

(30:16):
her major Gia. Remember Gia. Yes, that was a big deal.
And it makes total sense for her to be chosen
to play this role because I mean seeing her in Gia,
all that fire and sexiness and just like all the complications,
it makes total sense for her to play Lisa, you know,
like no brainer eyes and low's increasingly to the ear.

(30:42):
Weasa think she's hot because she's a social fath.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
I'm a social math.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
No, you're gay. So those are our two leads, and
I'll just wrap it up here with Whoopee, going back
to good old Whoopee, who I love in this movie.
She says so much on her face. You know, she
doesn't have to say anything with her mouth, but her
eyes just when she just glaring at them or just
looking sadly or you know, like I'm just like I
love her, like she's such a motherly figure, but she's

(31:08):
not at all like warm. She's still got that cold like.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, it doesn't work, you know.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, you can tell she cares about them, you know,
she really wants the best for them, but she has
to be She knows she can't be their friend. She
needs to be someone that they can respect and go to.
But she's not gonna let not be their friends. She
can't be, you know, she shouldn't allow herself to be that.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
But yeah, I love.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Seeing her in the movie and love that you I
was gonna be walked away for you know, for self care.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
I would want to be in the care of Woodby right.
Me to.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Sounds great, Like I would be like, teach me everything,
like tell me your whole story, right everything. I know,
I'd be like, it's all right, you can watch me
shave my legs, like let's chat girl, right, But I
know Winona Susannah did not like that at all, Right,
But so when Whoopee was just in before this The
Deep End of the Ocean, completely forgot. She's in that
movie with Michelle Fighter maybe Treat Williams.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
I think she loses her child.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, like I think she loses her child and then
years later he comes back. I believe it's foggy, might have.
I might have only seen it once back then, you know,
but I just remember the poster is like Michelle hugging
like a young man, a you know, older boy. So
Whoopy was supporting in that. She was in How Stella
Got her Groove Back with Angela Bassett, that of course
was a big thing. And she had also just done

(32:28):
the Alice in Wonderland TV movie. I think it was
for NBC where she played the cheshire Cat, which I
remember at that time. I was like, oh my god,
that makes great sense. I gotta watch Whoopee in this
TV movie. Back then, when you know, all the networks
would do like two or three night like TV movies,
I kind of miss those, you know, miniseries, I guess,
you know. So that's where I'll leave off. But we
have many more people will talk about as we nerd out.

(32:50):
But Rudy tell me, you know, why when I asked you,
would you want to talk about Girl Interrupted, why'd you
say yes?

Speaker 3 (32:58):
I think it's because I had to see in a
while on a gaming opportunity to revisit it. Yeah, and
I just know that I love the cast, you know.
I was like, okay, I could revisit this, you know,
see a Brittny Murphy performance essentially early and so again
I was reminded what he was in it, but I
just knew Jered Leta was in it, So I just
wanted to check it out again.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
And I'm like, why not revisit it with the purpose
to discuss it? You know? It's fun.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, I love that. I'm so glad you're here. And yeah,
even with Jared Little like I mean, for me, the
whole cast is great. I don't think there's one week person, right,
I mean, I think everyone is perfectly cast. And we
have Clea Duval who's great and especially back then, was
really you know on movies right, so young that yeah,
and like Elizabeth Moss I was reading was only fifteen.

(33:44):
I mean, it's it's kind of hard to tell because
of course with her with her makeup, her her burn scars,
but and she's playing young but I didn't realize she
was that young in real life, you know. And even
like Angela Bettis, she's got great sassy energy. And it's
funny to see Jeffrey Tambour like, I'm just so used
to what he looks like now, or at least in
the last few years with that show Transparent, right, that like,

(34:07):
oh I forgot he was like a little bit pudgier,
you know, like he had a round her face and
you know, so I just think the whole cast overall
really really.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, yes, didn't have much and she had some key parts,
but she didn't have a lot, but she but she
was effective when she was then because she just nice
to hear a voice he heard talk, you know, Oh
my Gordeous, it's.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
So soothing, absolutely, and you know what I love. She's
like the head doctor, right, doctor Wicks, right, And I
just love how she's there managing people's health and she's
smoking inside and I'm just.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Like so much in the movie everybody so.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Much everyone's smoking. I know, but you would think, like, okay,
maybe at least the one of the main doctors wouldn't
do that, but no, everyone was right.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yes, when she wh when his character got to the
facility and they were talking about doctor Wicks. She kept
referring at first then being made and they work, and
that corrects her like, no, that's the female. And so
it kind of made me think about like the timeframe,
you know, they just didn't you know, the time when
we said in so absolutely she assumed that B, a

(35:12):
male doctor would be ahead of the absolutely.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah for sure. Yeah. I think that's a great way
to talk about that time without it being like a
full on conversation. It's just an assumption and a quick
correction and she's like, oh, you know, and we move on.
But yeah, at that time, you know, sixties, women still
kind of were only seen as doing certain things, capable
of only certain things, right, Yeah. And also it's just

(35:37):
great how she how Vanessa Redgrave just naturally is, and
how she's directed. She's so still, so calm, and of
course that kind of makes Susannah even more like tightly wound,
you know, and like, am I crazy? Am I saying?

Speaker 4 (35:52):
You know?

Speaker 2 (35:53):
So there there scenes together are fun, but like you said,
there aren't many, but some good tensions, some good opposites,
and like when Ona's freaking out and Vanessa's just there
like well, do you see.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Like later in the movie, towards the end, when she
meets up with her again and she's progressed and gotten
better like that, it's shifted like there wasn't that much
tension between them or they weren't doing that. It's like
the stand offishness they were. She was more receptive of
each other, speaking and talking yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
And there's such a lightness on them both, you know,
even Vanessa. They're just kind of literally just chatting and
kind of smiling. Their eyes are a little brighter, right,
it's not so combative. Yeah, it's nice for sure.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Is there something about sex lifts your feelings of despair?

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Have you ever had sex? And yeah, Jared Letto, I
know he's it's you know, there are rumors about him.
He's kind of problematic, I guess now, you know, there's
there's some stories. But yeah, wow, I just have to say, like,
oh my god. Every time I see him in these
old movies, I mean, he still looks good, but especially
at this era, I'm like, God, what a babe. I
Mean he doesn't have much to do either, but his scenes, man,

(36:54):
he just he just grabs my attention, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Very very cute, very cute beard.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yes, those beautiful eyes that and like, oh my god,
I think you know at this time, I was not
yet thirteen. How old were you at this time.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
In ninety nine eighteen?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
You were eighteen? Wow, oh my god, what a time.
That must have been so cool. So yeah, like I
you know, wasn't out definitely at that age, but like
seeing Jared leto and like Winona like kind of getting
it on a little bit in her bed and like shirt,
so I was just like, wow, I remember like.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Like Whoopy walks in, Yes, I thought she was gonna
kick him out, but she's just like you have crowns,
people just go for a walk.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yes, I love that. I love that. And again that's
why we love Whoopy. What is Whoopy's name in this movie?
Why do I not remember it? Her character's name? Oh Valerie.
It's Valerie. Yep, love it. Yeah, Valerie, You're sorry because
we think because we've seen her get mad. You know,
she's she swings that door open, I think to yell
at Susannah at one point when they like drug one

(37:56):
of the nurses. I'm pretty sure yeah, because when Nona's
that's that's one of my favorite scenes when they're singing Downtown,
right and and Winona, Susannah makes out with the night nurse,
the guy right.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
And he was so cute. He was so cute, so sweet.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
He had a crush on her. And also like, you
know what's really sweet also is they're like two lonely people.
I got the vibe that he also was kind of lonely,
you know. So it's so sweet. And then they fall
asleep like in the hallway. And then when Valerie walks
in and again like whoopee is just such a great performer.
Her eyes, right, she just looks at them, and that's
when we see Susannah like wake up and run to

(38:35):
her room. And then Valerie's swinging that door open. I'm
writing you up, I'm sick of this shit, you know.
So we've seen her get angry, you know. But yeah,
I love seeing Jared Letton and she's like, oh, take
a walk, right, And also that's that was aweso. I
just think the script is pretty great because they're able
to inject issues of the time without it distracting from

(38:55):
Susannah's main story and main day to day right, because
then Jared leto I forget his name.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Toby I think Tobias.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Tobias, Yeah, he just got drafted and he's trying to flee,
and he wants to flee with her, you know, and
go to Canada, and she actually says, no, I have
friends here, and he's like, are you actually crazy? Right?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
And yeah, I was watching that scene and he was like,
I'm going to get you out of here. Let's us go,
and she notes her friends. He speaks down to her
about that. But I think that was the turning point
where she acknowledges that she actually has problems that she
needs to work on and that's why she chooses to stay. Yeah,
that's where I think the turning point kind of is
she's just like, wait a minute, I'm not I'm well,

(39:37):
I need help.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
I love that well said. Yeah, that's a turning point
for her where she's actually showing maturity because she could
have totally run off with him, but she's starting to
realize maybe she is hearing what the doctors are saying.
She's like, wait, I think actually I do need to
stay because I do have to sort things out, because
you know, she ain't sorting anything out with him on
the road.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
No way, right, No, it's no way. Sound mental health stuff.
She started other things. Yeah, yeah, I forgot to mention
that a line early on in the movie when she's
speaking or when the writer's doing like the overvoice, and
she says, like a lion, similar to like those who
steal when they have the money. And when she said that,
I was like, two years later in real time, she

(40:18):
gets caught for ceiling. That was a whole two years later. Wow. Wow,
I heard that. I was like, wait a minute, okay.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
For good thinking, good catch. I missed that one. Wow. Yeah,
I know that. And that then started her pretty long,
you know, strange kind of stretch in her career. But
thank god we got her back.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Right and she says she's back on her feet.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
She got totally back on her feet, and she's she's
doing great things, of course, But yeah, I forgot that
was only two years after this. Man, it really, I mean,
it makes total sense. She was one of the busiest
actors for the longest time, I mean, all throughout the nineties.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
And the thing was, I've been reading about that she
was prescribed medication by a doctor who shouldn't have prescribed
her medication, so that was kind of like impacted. And
she's also was going through things too. And I think
when she did all the community service and she paid
back the fees, I think they reduced the you know,
the charge to misdemeanor from felany to misdemeanor because I
also acknowledged that the medication she was on at the

(41:13):
time shouldn't have prescribed herself.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Oh god.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Well, honestly, thank god she survived because we you know,
we hear these stories of celebrities getting their meds from
people that shouldn't be giving them or whatever, and then
drugs and all of a sudden, then some of them
I don't wake up right exactly. Wow, Yeah, so interesting,
a real life girl interrupted situation for her. But yeah,
she's our girl. Love her so much. She's so good
in this movie. I know Angelina got like all the

(41:39):
attention rightfully, so, but I think Wenona's great.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
I think she amazing, right, But she was just like
her she emotions on her face, you know, you like
I was invested in her, you know, shows up like
when the first scene, when I remember we're watching, I
was like, she's going to steal every single scene she's
in because she's just so good.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, And that's the thing. She's not like it's not
like when an actor is just chewing the scenery and
just taking up so much space. No, like she she's
just so committed in the role. And I think also
Angelina at that time and maybe even still now is
probably intimidating. I know you probably saw a couple. I
think it was earlier this but like last year, Elizabeth
Moss was on Kelly Rippa's podcast and did say, like,

(42:24):
because of the on screen character drama there really kind
of was like, you know, on set like you were
either team Angelina or team Winona. Like they did not
really get along that well. They were not really friends,
which is a bummer because I guess Winona really thought like, yeah,
we're gonna be great friends. But Angelina was so super committed.
Maybe a little method being in Lisa's shoes that like, no,

(42:47):
when the cameras weren't rolling, like, they did not speak,
which is a bummer, but obviously it worked, you know,
made the movie good. Right.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Maybe maybe she just wanted to focus focus on the
role itself and not like distracted, and I mean she
needed to have that bearer between them. But then impact
things too, you know, especially when you're like trying to
work with somebody and you're thinking, like, we're just going
to get your job, like, oh, when I'm trying to
make friends here, you know, yea friendly and then it
doesn't happen, bummed out.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Like yeah, oh totally, you're like, all right, well, definitely
not gonna be friends with her, Okay, got it. Who
I'm gonna hang out with? Who I'm gonna have lunch
with today?

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Right?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, but obviously it worked because yeah, you're sorry. Just
the way Angelina moves and her looks like she's so
she's intimidating, Like for half the movie, I'm like, oh god,
she makes me nervous. And Winona therefore is also so
good because she is us squirming and like kind of
looking at it like, you know, doesn't want to make

(43:41):
it too obvious that she's nervous. Right, Their tension is
so good, and then when they become tight, it's actually
like so much fun. Like the movie, even though it
gets very dark and there's dark moments throughout. I kind
of have my memories at first are, oh my god,
that's such a fun movie, which is kind of twisted
because they're such a fun team. When things are going well,

(44:03):
you know, hey, rewinders. I'm pausing my chat with Rudy
just for a second to introduce another friend of mine
who also loves Girl Interrupted. Here's artist and movie fan
totor Iliev with his thoughts.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Hey, guys, this is total from Sophia Bulgaria better known
as Ilia f illustration on Instagram and Blue Sky. I'm
beyond excited to talk about Girl Interrupted. Back in nineteen
ninety nine, when I first saw the movie, I was
thirteen years old. I think I've seen it a couple
of times afterwards, haven't seen it for at least fifteen years,

(44:37):
though I remember. The story was heavy, interesting, thought provoking.
The cast is beyond amazing. Angelina Jolie win on a Rider,
Claire Juval, Britney Murphy. That's more than enough for anyone
to give this movie a rewatch or just see it

(44:59):
for the first time. If you like the One Flew
Over the Coopoo's Nest, either the book or the movie,
there's a pretty good chance you enjoyed this one as well.
There's lots of parallels to be found. The subject matter
is it's not an easy one. It's about mental health,
it's about female relationships, It's about Angelina and Julie, her performance,

(45:22):
her hair, it kind of reminds me of Gil Weathers
from Scream three. But I think it was that time
when this fringe was kind of popular. And yeah, thanks
for reminding me about that movie.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Well, I think you know, listen how much Flip Cream
Cherry and I love the ice cream parlor scene so much.
That's right when Value takes the girls out, and like
Lisa's flirting with the ice cream guy and you know
the one the one patient is saying like pemmermint dick

(46:02):
and stuff, you know, and then Susannah sees the wife
of the professor or the teacher. I guess you know
that I completely forgot about that whole well one of
the subplot.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Yeah, because he's when she goes to the again early movie,
the party that she gets to she's late to, and
then and you see him. As soon as she looked
at him, I was like, oh no, this.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Happened. And then he seemed trying to create connect with
her and she.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
I know, I know, but you know, and again I
think I know this movie you know, isn't perfect, and
some critics didn't like it, but like, I don't know,
the second she looks at that teacher at the party,
and like just the way they're directed, Like immediately I'm like, oh,
like you just feel the electricity. And then yeah, he's
there at her door and she's saying no, like you know,
what are you doing? Yeah? Really great flashbacks to what

(46:51):
went on. And then now here is his wife and
we assume I guess daughter, right, Katie Stricken, who then
was like.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
A like a friend from school that she had talked
about them.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Oh yeah that's right, yes, yeah, same age. Yeah. Oh
my gosh. But I just love that scene because that
woman I forget her character's name, but and now I'm
forgetting her her the actor's name. But she's great. She's
done so much Mary kay Place. I think she's just so.
She's looking at Winona and she is just so upset,
comes over to the table, and I just love how

(47:23):
all these crazy girls just start going off, you know.
I think Angela Bettis is barking, and I think Daisy
Brittany Murphy doesn't. She's like, get the thing out of
my face or whatever. Right, It's just I love when
they just get unhinged and scare them away, I think.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
And they back her up, you know, I guess they're
all together because she's they see her being attacked, attacked
by this woman, you know, and she's kind of cowering,
and the rest of them kind of like join up
and you know, help her out.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
To you, they're helping her kind of you know, see
what it's like to have a voice, you know, something
she you know, was lost and doesn't really know how
to like properly get her thoughts out, you communicate. So
now here she is seeing a very extreme version. But yeah,
she's got back up, which is so fun.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
When she when they get there, she sees them, she's
hiding behind Angelia. She's like she's embarrassed, you know, she's
cowing away. So then when you know, when then they
spot her, so she like realizes that these are her friends,
they're helping her out.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Then she kind of like stands up a little bit
more straight, you know. And yes, I appreciated what they
did for her.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Oh Also, I just have to say, this rewatch was
the first time I've seen it in a long time.
So I realized I don't think I ever knew what
a rim job was. Because when Lisa says to the wife, like, okay,
she gave him a rim job, so what I'm like,
oh wait, what what? I was like, Oh that went
over my head back in the day.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
I didn't my time. Yes, And now I'm like, did
she mean it? Did she really do that?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I know, I know that's the thing with Lisa, you
never know. So I'm like, wait, is that like a
sick joke for Lisa say.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
She didn't like question or she didn't challenge and be like, hey,
I didn't do that. I did this, but oh I
know out there ether so.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
I know you're right. Susannah wasn't like what are you saying?
She was just like, right, so what is that? No?
She knew it was apparently whoa teacher student doing some
some stuff together. I was like, oh, I guess, yes,
A plus yes, so just I know. I mean, geez,
that's commitment. So yeah, there you go girl. So I

(49:20):
just had to mention that because whoa. My younger brain
never heard that ever, And when I paused it, rewound
it and wrote it down like, okay, star rim job,
mu's talk about that. But but no. What's also so
interesting about that scene is right after that the fun part.
Then it's like because then Valerie is so pissed at

(49:42):
their behavior and she focuses that on Lisa. So it's
kind of like showing how even though Lisa was supporting
her new friend, she's constantly the bad girl, you know.
And she even kind of says that later on, you know,
that great line she says, I'm playing the villain just
like you want a baby or something like that, and
the tunnels right to Susannah. So like, poor Lisa, even

(50:03):
when she has great intentions and she's being super supportive,
actually yeah, it's it's not working out, and it's thrown
back in her face and she's chastised, and I really
feel for her, you know.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
But I think that she knew that she would get
in trouble. Yeah, and she I think she maybe maybe
stepped in and did that so so wonder I didn't
have to do it to get in trouble.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
So she knew that get in trouble all the time.
I playing the villain.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
So if I step up and get have their ramifications
for it, it doesn't matter anymore to me at least,
So good point.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
I think I think that's why she kind of did it.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah, good point. Yeah, it's sort of like an acceptance
of like, this is it for me? You know, which
is a bummer. It's sad for sure, you know, but
but then great tension. But yeah, I mean another very
memorable scene. I know we're going to get dark here,
but when when the girls do somewhat very easily, it
seems escape the hospital, I guess through the tunnels, the

(50:59):
you know, the undergrad on hallways. They're just like running
out at night, and they hitchhiked their way to Daisy's
house because Daisy got out, Right, we've already seen all
the chickens under the bed. What were you thinking with
all these old, smelly chickens under Daisy's bed?

Speaker 1 (51:14):
You know?

Speaker 3 (51:14):
I was confused, and so when I at the time
and then was what we watched it watching Okay, but
we're gonna explain this better to me, I understand it more.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
But it just felt like I'm like I thought, I thought.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Maybe she was billamic or had it at eating and
eating problem, that's why she was maybe eating and perjury.
But she was just eating them and not throwing them out. Yeah, yeah,
so I didn't understand. I think it was just like
she just didn't want to get rid of them. And
then she said that line like she has to keep
five and then I have to throw them out.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Yes, well, yes, that line. It's hard because like maybe it.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Was just just to have from her father. Maybe it
was just a way of a tie to him and
she just didn't want to like abandon it or give
it away.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
But definitely kind of just very weird.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, very weird. And you you bring up a great
point because I was the same way for a while.
I thought like, oh, yeah, she's got an eating disorder.
And maybe she does, because you know she only she
says something in that same scene, you know, before she
says like once I get five value makes me throw
them away. Before that, she says something along the lines
of like listen, like you guys like to like shit
in private, and like, you know, I like to eat

(52:16):
in private. I like to be private, like with the
food going in rather than going out, So like when
you're all at the cafeteria, I want to eat privately.
So that is, in a way, I guess a bit
of an eating disorder. But you're right, we don't actually
have proof that she is bulliemic or something. It's just
more of like food hoarding. It's like holding onto yeah,

(52:37):
like what daddy gave you, like these prized chickens for
his daughter, so she's it's almost more going back to
the very strange, inappropriate relationship she has with dad rather
than with food itself, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Right.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
It's a gift from her dad and a gift, right,
it's leftover chickens under her bed, and it's funny.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
I had completely forgotten and then she does it. I
think maybe twice. She says I'm gonna you know, I'm
getting out soon and my dad's getting me an apartment
with an Eden chicken. And I think Susanna even says,
I think you mean eating kitchen, right, and I had
never caught that before. I think it happens twice. But
I just love how Brittany Murphy. I love how she
delivers this. But Daisy loves saying asshole. That's what I said, asshole.

(53:25):
You know, like it's so sassy. It's like, calm down, okay, right,
She's so angry.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
She was very fun she flip being angry.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Oh yeah, and you know I was reading and maybe
you saw this too. I saw, okay, a couple casting things.
Since this cast is so good Lee, Sobieski, apparently you
never know I read this on the internet. So who knows,
but leely Sobieski signed on to play Daisy but dropped
out just weeks before filming because she was doing Joan
of Arc, which I think was a TV movie if

(53:57):
I remember correctly. But so, okay, Daisy was going to
be very different. I cannot imagine anyone but Brittany Murphy
playing that role. You know that, Yeah, that I feel
like would be a very different Sassy because Brittany just
has that kind of like her eyes twitch a little bit,
like she just looks so pent up and leally, especially

(54:17):
at this time, just seems so kind of cool, like
more more a quieter rage. So I can't really picture that.
Parker Posey turned down the role of Lisa crazy. I
I couldn't see Parker Posey being in this movie, although
I feel like she'd be a little bit older than everyone,
but maybe not right.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
I thought you said that.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
I thought maybe she was going to be like a.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Like Valerie or something, you know, like the nurse who
checks and the pills. Yes, but like, yeah, I just
love that one nurse who said Susanna ca Sin. She
has like an accent. I think she's like Irish or
something like that always is in my in my head
when they do that the pills. But yes, so Parker
Posey was going to be in it, so bisky. James
Mangold also met with Courtney Love to discuss the role

(55:04):
of Lisa, which makes perfect sense. Totally see that as
well as Alanis Morissett. She was apparently in the mix
for a role which would have been very interesting. I
think it would have been distracting because no one, in
my opinion, is like distracting. No one's like taking your
eyes away more than they should. But I feel like
just knowing, like Alanis Morissett is acting in a movie,

(55:27):
I think that maybe would have been a little distracting.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
You know, distracting. Corny would have been distracted just because
like there's this, yeah stars, they're rock stars.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Yeah, so it's like, you know, we already have Onona,
who's our star? Angelina was on the Rise? Whoopi's a star,
you know, But like then if you have like, yeah,
a rock star in there, it's like whoa, Okay, this
is you know. But apparently other names, especially at the time,
makes sense. Reese Witherspoon and Christina Ricci, Katie Holmes, Kate Hudson,
Rose McGowan, They apparently all auditioned, and I saw online

(55:56):
Rose McGowan had even said, quote, it's the only decent
thing out there that doesn't involve taking your clothes off,
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
I believe she would say that, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Right, absolutely, that feels right. Yeah, but so I just
had to bring that up about Daisy. But so, yeah,
they they flee the the institution and they're hitchhiking and
stealing money from guys and all that, and they make
their way to Daisy's apartment. I forget how they knew
the address. I guess they got it from the files.
I think that must have been how because remember they

(56:24):
like break into their files, which is kind of a
fun scene. Mal oh maybe it was mail, Yeah, maybe
something they must have found out some way. But so
they're there, and that's when the movie starts to become
kind of horrific. Like you can feel like the lighting
is different. We're now like not, it's almost it's kind

(56:46):
of crazy, how like even though the institution is not home,
the hospital is not a nice place. It's almost kind
of like I think when we get to Daisy's house,
I'm like, oh no, no, bring me back to the hospital,
Like that's the safe place, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
It's very dark there, like a little an easy feeling,
just because at this point you kind of know what's
going on with her home life, with her with her dad. Yes,
so just going there knowing that this is more. This
is just another cage for her, you know, hemore. And
now he's push her in this apartment that she's wanting,

(57:20):
and she's you know, she's not leaving that place.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
She's staying.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Oh, you're so right, You're so right. It's another cage
for her. Yeah, she's not leaving. She might go for
a walk, but she's no Daddy's gonna pick up and
drive her anywhere seeds to go. So yeah, there's like
an immediate darkness. She and Lisa don't get along. Of
course we had, you know, the whole fighting earlier with
the valuume and the Teddy Bear and all that stuff
that she has because she's hooked on valium and oh

(57:45):
they're fighting. This scene, Oh my god, it's so memorable.
It's it's awful. And I just remember when Nona telling
Lisa shut the fuck up, like it's getting so bad, right,
And this is where Lisa tells us like we kind
of now have confirmation like yeah, like daddy is doing
things to you and you like it.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Oh, it's so oh my god, Rudy, that's super ugh.
Oh it's hard. It's hard to watch. I mean, yes,
m m.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
And they're all so good. I mean it's mostly between
Angelina and Brittany. But the way Brittany is on the
stairs just feeling like shit, but also so badly trying
to stay cool and proud. Oh my gosh, it's so bleak.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Well because she's convinced herself that she's doing well, like
she's she has she wants, you know, she's just a home.
They're jealous of her, so she's has been fed this
and she believes it, you know. And I think that's
why Angelia is just so upset with her, because she's
just like, you need we see all we see this
happening to you and you don't. Her frustration is taken
out on anger against tor, you know, because she's even

(58:48):
maybe because she loved claymore. She maybe she felt that
she was safer there than here, you know, because obviously
you see that her and being cut up more.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Right, So yeah, yeah, and you know it's interesting because
like I'm just thinking now this just popped into my head.
Like Lisa doesn't like liars, of course. So yeah, like
you're saying, like, hello, we see this, you don't or
you just refuse to or you really are thinking that
we can't see it, you idiot, right, So that's where
Lisa's coming from. But there's also definitely jealousy because Daisy

(59:17):
got out and Lisa. I think, whoopee. Valerie tells Susannah
maybe right after this because they they part ways. This
is too dark for Susannah to like stay with Lisa, right.
I think Valerie even says, like Lisa's been here like
off and on for like eight years. She's not going anywhere,
you know. So yeah, there's also definitely some resentment coming

(59:38):
out where Lisa is taking it out on this like TWRP,
this fool, this idiot. You know, how dare you get
lucky enough to get out? I need to get out,
you know. So there there's also that you're just jealous
Lisa because I got better.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Because I was released, because.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I have a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
And of life.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Didn't at least she because you're better, dazy, They just
gave up, just the blocking, the staging of like you know,
Angelina is sitting in the chair like hanging out and
and up on the stairs is so like even though
Brittany is like above her, it's like, no, Lisa's got
all the power from wherever she is. She can be
lower physically, but she's ruling you. You know, it really

(01:00:37):
turns the tides because up until that point, Susannah and
Lisa have, like we were just saying, have had some
nice moments. They're very much a unit. And now Susanna's
like this is going way too far.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Right, Yeah, when she screams at them to stop by
and she was like do what we would wanted to do.
We wanted to stop because we're because like you said,
this movie has the ties and those with it's not
that dark to mean, it's like has its moments. You know,
we're going through this journey with the Ariker's character and
we're like enjoying it having we're seeing like the rough
patches she.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Has along the way. But then we get to this
scene right and it's super dark.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
It's like uneasy, and having watched it before, I knew
what was going to happen. Yes, this, all this that's
happening is going to build up to what's coming next.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Yeah, yeah, and even as it's even as this fight's
going on, and like as Brittany as a daisy goes
to bed, like you know, like if you saw this
for the first time, you feel it in your gut,
like ooh, that was a big twist and something bad
is going to happen, like it's just in the air.
And man, when the music keeps playing, you know, like Susannah,

(01:01:43):
everyone's awake and it's just the same song. And Lisa's
like in the kitchen hanging out right. I think she
really wants to make pancakes and she's like she's playing
that shit all goddamn morning. Susannah knows like, okay, that's weird,
and then she goes up those stairs and that's what
I'm like. It feels like a horror movie, like we
have switched. It's not really like drama, like you know,

(01:02:03):
kind of coming of age drama. It's not really kind
of like girls fun like you know, crazy girls getting along.
It's like, no, we are now in just devastation and
we know what we're gonna see. But still when she
opens that door and we just kind of see kind
of over the shoulder like hand, uh, you know, Daisy's
hand like hanging there, oh god, and how Susannah is

(01:02:25):
sick to her stomach. Belie is just there like hmm, like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Ooh mm hmmm, and she, like Angela says, we just
call it hers.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
I was like, oh, heartless.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Could you you at this point assume that Lucy has
seen this kind of She's seen people do this, maybe
at Claymore. Probably she's been around it, so she's a
little bit more used to it, unfortunately, And so that's
how I read the scene.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's a great point. Yeah, because she's
been there for a while. She's she might have even
seen this happen before even getting to Claymore when she
was younger, right, so she's seen some shit. So yeah.
And then also she's kind of enjoying that she had
the power over Daisy. You know. I think she even
says something like I didn't do that. I just like
told her the truth and we all knew that was

(01:03:14):
gonna happen anyway, you know, that was like her mentality,
And it's so sick, Rudy, how I forgot this shot.
Then we actually do see Britney Murphy there hanging in
the background as there as not they, but Lisa is
taking money out of her pockets and giving it to
Susannah and like, oh, it's just so dirty, it is
so wrong, and Lisa's not blinking an eye. Right, that

(01:03:37):
is a major turning point for all of us. I
feel like where it's like, oh, Okay, you were fun,
but no, you actually are messed up, you know. And
I forgot before this whole sequence it Actually I love it.
I remembered it so well. I remember the music, the score.
Lisa wakes Susannah up as they you know, right before

(01:03:57):
they flee the uh, the hospital, and she's got tears
in her eyes. She looks wacky. Do you remember that.
It's like a shot in the dark and she's like
you still want to go to Florida and like she's
like not all there, And that's really when, yeah, things
start to get spooky. And then and then they run
out there because she's she keeps calling at that moment,
she calls uh Susannah Jamie, who was Lisa's friend who

(01:04:21):
committed suicide before Susanna entered, Right, I forgot about that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Actually, there was a line that she did. She killed
herself while when Lisa was gone because she missed her, right,
So I think Lisa and Lucy probably have had some
sort of guilt there for that as well. You think
that guilt would have made her not be but she was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
I know, Yeah, it drove her, drove her the other way. Yeah,
So that whole bit is very memorable, very dark. Oh
it's heavy, heavy, heavy, and we kind of don't get
lighter after that. Like it's then pretty heavy for the
most part. Like Susannah gets better. That's nice to see
her montage of like you know, and no one heard

(01:04:57):
from Lisa, but then Lisa comes back. They found her
and she's looking She's got like twitches, right, she's like
on something. Oh God, spooky.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
I think I think it's part of all the withdrawals
from the medication that was keeping her hand right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
And I'm not having that impacted you know Crystal billity.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Yes, And also who knows, I mean a woman who
looks like her, you know, sexy, young, like voluptuous woman
hitch hiking like I don't like you. Also just think like,
oh God, like what happened to you after Susannah left you?
You know, you were helping each other out, but then
when you're solo, you're strong, Lisa, but you're not you know,
anyone could do anything to you, you know, so like, oh,

(01:05:39):
that's dark. And then of course they put Lisa in
that like private room where it's just the it's just
like the slot for your eyes, right, and she is
not all there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Yeah, she's like she's like strapped to the bed, right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yeah, yeah, she's like totally And but then then that
takes us to the big finale, which is I know,
some critics did not like it. They called it melodramatic.
It definitely feels different than the rest of the movie
where Lisa has gotten out and Susannah was kind of noticing.
You know, there's that one woman who's kind of lying

(01:06:11):
on the floor passing notes with Lisa in this kind
of like contained area, right, so like something's going on.
There's like a plan going on, and Susannah has Daisy's cat,
takes her medicine to fall asleep. It's her last night, right,
So of course it just feels so horror movie. It's like, okay,
it's your last night here, like you want to get
your rest. Oh it's not gonna be a RESTful night, right,

(01:06:33):
because she takes her pill, she shuts her eyes for
what seems like a second, she opens the cat's gone.
She like the place is like a ghost town, but
she hears like laughter in the distance, and Lisa has
basically rallied our main girls against Susannah by reading the
journal and it's just so mean girl, and oh my god, Rudy,

(01:06:55):
I forgot Then Angelina Joey pulls out like a syringe,
like a needle, like is she gonna hill Susannah?

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Like it feels like that, you know, it was twisted.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
It's twisted. Do you think it works or did it
go a little off the rails for you? What do
you think?

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
You know? It was? It was just it was just
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
I think I felt like jumping the shark a little bit,
try to like boost, you know, because it just would
have been I think if that scene was cut out,
like the movie still would have played fine. It just
kind of gave like an extra level of like why
do we need to make Lucy this even? You make
her even more of a trouble person to write her

(01:07:33):
this way because she's already in that room tied up, yeah,
you know, and it's just like why give this this extra.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Push to be mean? Right? Mean spirited and have all
her one of his friends, Susanna, right, Susannah, it's friends
go against her, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Yeah that's a good point. Yeah, because we already have
just seen like Lisa do her damage, you know, like
she is a bad person, right, so yeah, now to
really make her this, you know. And it's in these
we're back in the creepy hallways, the tunnels this like,
you know, and it's and like literally Lisa is chasing Susannah,
you know, like she's walking after her, very like Michael Myers,

(01:08:13):
you know. Susannah hurts her hand on the door, which
I'm like, Okay, this is definitely feeling like like the
studio where someone was like, Okay, we need to really
like make it creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
You know. I can see that a little more action,
which I mean, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
It works for me, but it's still I can tell
and I could tell even as a kid. I'm like, Okay,
this is different. Why does it feel like we're now
in a different like zone here, you know. So I
wonder if it could have been achieved just in a
less high stakes way with the needle and the screaming
and like you know, what if.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
What if I guess it could have been toned down
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I wonder if like it could have like what you're
saying is we almost didn't really need it. Maybe what
if like Lisa whispered to like her friends through the
under the you know door, like I know where her
journal is, Go get it, let's read it, And like
what if it's all just right there in the hallway,
Like that's still you know what I mean, that still
feels like a confrontations are exposed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Yeah, she's gonna walk out of her room and then
saw them all by Lisa's door and then reading the
journal together and then she kind of at that moment
because then it because it does leads late in the
movie where she makes amends and tells them you know,
you know, even like to Chloe little Ball's character, like
you know, I didn't mean I wrote about you, And
she's like she's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Like, yeah, you kind of did, but yeah, OK.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Yeah, yeah you're right, yeah, cause she's like, actually I
am a pathological hour. I like how during the big climax,
Clear says like something like did you really say that?
Like you need to erase that because my father is
the head of the CIA. You know, and she just
says it in such a great way where we all
know like, no, he's not, you're lying right now. But
she also, you know, much like a lot of them,

(01:09:51):
like she can't get out of her own way, like
she doesn't actually know what is real and what's not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Yeah, the ending is definitely it ramps up at it nowhere.
I think I like it, but it just I don't know.
Seeing the needle, I had forgotten about that and seeing
that now just the other night, I'm like, Okay, that
is crazy. What are you gonna do with that? Are
you gonna like, okay, are you gonna kill her? Are
you gonna knock her out? And when you knock her out?
What are you gonna do to her? Like it's just

(01:10:18):
it's weird. It's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
She first wanted to scare her, but I mean, I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Guess so, and then Lisa wants to once once Susannah
like really gets to her, and I love the way
we notice says your heart is cold, you know, but
she Susannah really gets under her skin. No one cares
if you die, Lisa, because you're dead already. Your heart
is cold. Like hearing that is like, oh you know

(01:10:44):
that stops Angelina from trying to attack Susannah, but then
she's trying to give herself the substance she's trying to,
like then use the needle on her, and it's like, oh,
I don't like this needle. I'm also just not a
needle person at all, so yeah, it just I'm like,
you know, so yeah. But then next day they all
wake up, Lisa's been restrained in bed, right, and Susannah

(01:11:08):
goes around hugging everyone, and everyone kind of quickly gets
over what just happened last night, you know, and they
say they're goodbyes. But at least Lisa and Susannah have
a nice moment, even though we know it's kind of
a lie. Like Susanna's like when you get out, like
come visit me that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Is that when she's painting her nails? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
I like that. I mean I like that same.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
It was nice even though, yeah, granted she knows she's
not getting out, but she it's nice to hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Yeah, it's nice that even though literally Susannah was about
to possibly die a few hours prior, she's like, she
knows that Lisa can't help herself, and yeah, she has
this nice moment with the nail polish that I believe
Angela Betta says, I had to trade with a transvestite
in the men's ward for the nail polish, Like that
line is so sixties. But yeah, they have this week moment.

(01:12:00):
But yeah, they both know they're never going to see
each other again. And I think Winona even says in
her voiceover at the end, she's like, did any get out?
Did some stay forever? And it's like Lisa state forever.
You know, she might have gotten out, but she's gonna
come back or they're gonna find her and she's gonna Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
She probably escaped a few times. You know. That was
her way out the tunnels to get out. That makes
sense how she got up so often.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
She knew how to get out, but they never figured
out how to lock them up or seal the time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
No, right, it's like whoop. He wasn't like Susannah, how'd
you guys get out? You know, like there's no there's
no brief little discussion and like showing like chains on
a door or something, you know. But I do love
that they bowl down there. I'm like, Okay, there's a
random little bowling alley down underground of this institution. You know,
that's pretty fun. Just let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
It was just so fun to see the cast young
play these roles, you know, and having us seen them
their careers go up from this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
You know, it's amazing they've done so much since.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
And that was just to kind of like go back
and and see them all as like babies. Like even,
like I said earlier, played the ball like she was
so young in this movie, uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
You know, and now she's just like an amazing director.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Oh, I know, I love her. She's great and everything.
I loved her Inveep a few years ago. So did
you watch peep On? Oh yeah, so funny, so like Stoneface.
But yeah, Lisa Beach was the casting director for this,
and we you might know she did the first three
Scream films. She did a lot at this time. Great
casting director. She knows how to piece people together and

(01:13:31):
it makes sense, you know, knowing she casts Rose McGowan
and Scream. How Rose was in the mix for this,
Like she knows, right, she knows like good women especially
and the guys, you know, but like she knows how
to come up with a good you know sassy, you
know a group of women for sure, So yeah, great,
cast I agree. It's fun to rewatch this and see

(01:13:51):
where many of them were on the rise and just
to see like Winona, who was already top of the
world just in you know, back then and now she's
still top of the world, just in a different way,
you know. So yeah, And one thing I want to say,
I do love the line and I would say this often,
just like with friends, and I feel like it was
in the trailers when Jared Leto surprises uh Susannah at

(01:14:14):
the hospital and they have their little moment in the
room again, another nice moment, Lisa notices, and she then
sees the nurses going around to do checks, and Lisa's like,
I'm gonna like try to help my friend have a
private moment, right, And so she's distracting the nurse and
she starts to get angry and it's kind of an act.
And I love the line she takes the pen but
the pe stuff, how jim this in my order? Your

(01:14:36):
a order is in your chest? Good too, and then
click good to know. I would do that all the time.
I would take a pen in class, be like good
to know, Good to know, right, But that whole little
moment is it's just cute. You know, the reason why
she's doing it, how annoying she is, how they're like,
come on, Lisa, you know, like so that whole moment
I thought, I just wanted to shout out, that's a
that's a fun moment for sure, you know. And I

(01:14:58):
love also one other quote when I think it's the
same thing right before then, I just came to me,
I think, what was Elizabeth Moss's name, Polly? I think
she's on the ground trying to like listen to Wanona
and Jared leto right, and Lisa's in her chair and
she goes, what you do? Oh yeah, she calls her torch,
which is so sick. Oh my god, so sick. She goes,

(01:15:20):
what you doing nothing? Well, why don't you go to
your room and do nothing? I just love how she
says that. Love it, well, thank you, my friend. So yeah,
did you say so you wrote your review on the Damned?
Is that out yet? We can't read it? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
No, it's already okay. My Instagram is like it is
Rudy my name.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Yeah, I highlights that there's a section from my movie
reviews and Okay, good, So you just click on that
and it'll bring it up.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
So perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
So we got to read more of Rudy's reviews. Everybody,
uncertainty about goals and a generally pessimistic attitude are often observed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
That's me, that's everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
And there you have it. That's what you have to
say about Girl Interrupted, which is the last nineteen ninety
nine Nish movie that I'll talk about for a while,
at least until twenty twenty nine if I'm still doing this.
Thanks so much to my great guest Rudy Valdez for
your thoughts and for your time, and thank you Todor
for your cameo. Give them both a follow on social

(01:16:20):
and check out what they're working on. Rudy is at
Oh It's Rudy, and Todor is at iliev Illustration. Thanks
all of you for listening, watching, and spreading the word
about this podcast. Thanks also Straw Media, Kyle Motsinger, Greg
Clements and Portland Media Center. And in the words of
Stern Valerie Owens

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
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