Just One of the Guys (40th anniversary)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Straw Hut Media.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hello, students of all ages. I hope you've been having
a great prompt season. Welcome to another episode of Release
Date Rewind, a podcast that celebrates old movies during their
special anniversaries. I'm Mark J. Parker, a movie lover and
movie maker, and thanks so much for pressing play on
your favorite podcast app or watching this on YouTube. This

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podcast is part of the straw Hut Media Network and
the You Run Podcast Network, so check out those groups
to see other great entertaining pods. After you finished this episode,
school is almost out for summer, but we're continuing our
April theme of masculinity and talking about a really fun
nineteen eighty five drag comedy that you might have seen

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called Just one of the Guys for its fortieth anniversary.
If you know me in this show, you know I
love a drag comedy. Gave us Tootsie, which I've talked
about on this show, and then Victor Victoria, and then
this loose update of Shakespeare's Twelfth Night, which had the
original titles. I was a teenage boy and also ladies man,

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So grab your friends, wear your gender bending eighties fashion,
and if you'd like to watch or rewatch this movie
before listening. It's currently streaming for free with ads on
to be all right, prom Kings and queens. Let's go
undercover and put on our disguises because it's time to rewind. Okay, everybody,

(01:46):
we're already chit chatting. Such a great guy, such great
conversations going on. He's wearing. If you're watching on YouTube,
check out this shirt that my guest is wearing. Another
movie we love. But I was just saying, we're going
to keep it very eighties. We're going to keep it
very on. Maybe who knows, maybe maybe we'll reveal some
some titties like our star in this movie. Anyway, everybody,

(02:07):
welcome back Devin Lotfy to release date, rewind, Hi, Dev,
how's it going great?

Speaker 1 (02:12):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
I'm good. It's always so nice to chat with you
and see you. How's life I know good?

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, things are things are going well. I did just
put out a new episode of my podcast. Any have
you ever ended up watching the Comeback based off of
my my appearance on release date?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Rewind, I hope, yes, I hope so. I hope you
got some more listeners. But yes, tell us about your
pod because you just had a very cool guest. Only
a couple like a month ago, not even right, Oh
my gosh, tell us.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Well, yeah, Trishelle Kenna Tella is the winner of The
Traders season two most recently, but she was on the
Real World Vegas back in two thousand and two. Yeah,
and you know, I I knew her because I still
only reality. I still watch that come back. Yeah, is
those Real World road Rules Challenge shows because they.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Start they're doing a good Yeah, they're still dying.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
And it's nostalgic because you're watching these people you remember
from twenty years ago now forty and fifty, like still
trying their best. So it kind of makes me feel
young because older than me. But it's also like reminds
me of like just you know, those mindless days just
watching you know, MTV. And but it's funny she started,
I don't know when she started following me and commenting

(03:29):
and and then she wanted to come on, and it
was really cool and it made sense because I was like,
this woman is a reality star, no wonder she loves
this show about a reality star that she could probably
truly relate to. And none of us, you know, have
been in that in that boat. So so yeah, and
over the summer, Lisa was talking to Newsweek and yes
she is a podcast and that it's really great and

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that that was just like I died.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Oh my god, Devin, I died for you. That is.
Can you get her on the pod? Like, have you tried?

Speaker 1 (03:57):
We've talked, she said she want to wait till Michael
Patrick King was also available, and it's just like NonStop
with and just now the trailer came out and I
realized that's gonna be premiering close to the anniversary of
the comeback, because I was hoping to do something around June.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
I know, the twentieth anniversary no come back, but I'm.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Like, because I had a little meeting with someone about it,
and I'm clearly Michael was going to be busy with
press around that time. So you know, the anniversary is
still the whole year. We don't have to lock it.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, oh yeah, totally, well at least like end of
because you know this the season was from I remember
like June to like August, right.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Oh right, yeah, so they can maybe die in to
when the finale.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Any any of that, right, but really anytime. Yeah, that'd
be amazing, Devin, Oh my god, I know. I thought
of you, of course when I made my list for
the year of all the things, because you know, I
talk about TV every now and then, mostly movies, but
TV every once in a while. And the comeback turning
twenty this June, and I was like, oh my god,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Why, I'm like, I can't let it pass me. But
I also don't want to like lose my mind if
I I you know, don't I know.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, It'll happen no matter what at
some point, but it would be great if it did
happen then in the next you know, four months or so,
you know, Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
And one other quick thing I remember on last year's
episode with You, I have mentioned that I was hoping
to do a drop dead gorgeous twenty fifth anniversary and
I did end up pulling that off. Guys. I was
published in Indie Wire. Yeah, I had to stick with
Annis Richards and Michael Patrick Chan the director, and Mindy Sterling.
So if you're a dropped a gorgeous fan, definitely check

(05:30):
out My piece of Indie Wire came out July. It
was it was that was that was very tough work,
but it was paid off. It was really.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, because how long did that? Like, it's because you
also did an article about Jawbreaker earlier last year.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, that was so, you know, it was a learning
experience as a writer because with Jawbreaker, it was I
made it more personal and with dropped a gorgeous indie
wire that's not really their vibe, Like yeah, I don't
want to say they're not cheesy, but it was like,
I can't make it about me. I have to little
more to articulate what it means to me, but as

(06:03):
as well as what it means to all of us
journalistic I guess, yeah, exactly, and then blend in the
interview tidbits. And also because it's such a loaded movie,
it was hard because I want to make sure I'm
not getting myself canceled getting anybody I'm talking to you.
And then a few weeks ago there's an amazing theater

(06:25):
in LA called Vidiots, and I ended up setting the
director up with Vidiots, and he ended up coming and
it did a Q and A and the owner or
manager director of Vidiots was so kind to me and
got me and my friend like reserve seats and free drinks.
She shouted me out in front of the audience about
and I got to meet a lot of cool people

(06:45):
and finally meet Michael. So it was like a weird,
perfect thing.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
And this is just a couple of weeks ago. You said,
just yeah, oh, I love it. What a great movie.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
And when you're in La, we'll have to go to videos.
They've got beer and wine and snatch and it's attached
to their actual rental store that's been opened since eve
Wow years, same as this movie, and you can still
go in there and rent physical copies. And what made
it special is we're sitting there watching droptor Gorgeous and saying,
the only other place you can really get it is
next door, Yeah, at the physical media store. Because it's

(07:21):
not really streaming. It has slowly popped up again on
like two b yeah and stuff like that, but as
far as like I just want to rent it on Amazon,
you're not.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
I know, it's so weird how some movies are like that.
You're right, yeah, wow, that is so cool. Yeah, dev
I was in You might remember I was in LA
for literally twenty four hours at the very beginning of November,
and I remember you were like, oh my god, are
you here, And that would have been so fun if
I had tie. But next time I'm there, oh my god, yeah,
that'd be great to go. How cool I get to
rub elbows with Devin and his famous friends. We'll go

(07:52):
to the movies, right, Yeah, But I wanted to ask
you also, on a serious note, how has La been.
I know, obviously everyone knows, you know, the beginning of
the year was rough, but like, how how is the city?

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Like?

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Are things not probably not back to complete normal, but
are things like in the right direction rebuilding getting better?

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I think, you know, every tragedy comes with that sense
of camaraderie and togetherness. So yeah, I mean also just
counting your blessings like it was. You know, there was
one night where there was one in Studio City and
one in Hollywood that was like feeling like a little
too close to home and I packed the bag and

(08:32):
things like that. But yeah, but I know, like a
manager at my other job he lost his house in
the Palisades like completely, so you know, you do feel
like you're kind of six degrees connected to certain things.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
And I know a couple of people that I know
two people that their house is burned down, so it's
just crazy. Oh my gosh. So you did pack a
bag and where'd you go?

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Oh no, I mean I didn't have to leave, we
were ready.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah yeah, okay, good, good, Wow, Well, okay, I'm glad
to hear at least. Yeah, we're just kidding, but that'd
be actually pretty amazing, right, Okay, Disneyland's open. Come in,
we're just gonna, you know, start the rides, right, get safe,
go inside.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Well I'm glad all that's all right.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
And yeah, it just makes it definitely you know, grounds
you a bit and makes you.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Oh my gosh, well good, I'm glad
things are going well. I also saw your story. I
know you are also a screenwriter as well, so yes,
I think, thank you.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I have finished that pilot that I told you, which
i'm you know, still still trying with that. But the feature,
I'm not done. It's just it's it's something I've been
wanting to do for a while and I haven't finished
a feature in quite a few years. And yeah, yeah,
like I need to keep it secret, but yeah, I'll

(09:53):
definitely tell you about it.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah. Oh no, it's exciting.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I saw that.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I was like, oh yay, I mean I.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Think yeah again, if any writers are listening when you
get that mad a moment where you're like, Okay, I
know where I'm going and I know, like when you
know you can finish it. But I was in I
was in UCLA, and my teacher she was great, but
again in a learning experience because she had like a
producer mentality, and like every all the pages I'd turned in,
she'd be like, oh, okay, well, you know you have
to think that would be really expensive. And I get

(10:18):
it because as a writer you do have to think
that way. But it's like I felt like, creatively, you
gotta just let yourself finish it. And then if you
have to go back and change, you know, the wedding
from being at the met to being at like a
little you know what I mean, just like going in
after the fact and.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Then ye tailoring it and make it.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
More attractive to producers and stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, absolutely, that's smart. That's great. Wow, well, very exciting.
I love to hear because features are tough. It's funny,
like that's how I kind of started writing. And then
I was like, oh god, this takes this takes so long,
this is so crazy. So that's why I've just been
doing shorts.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
But I do you finished something, you're like how or
when you reach start like, how did they ever do
this book?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (11:02):
My god? Right?

Speaker 2 (11:03):
All right, well enough of today, Let's get enough of today, everybody.
Let's let's get to Terry. Let's go back in time, everybody.
We're gonna rewind forty years long before Devin and I
ever even were like a thought in our parents' minds.
I mean, what even what even are the eighties? Right?
So we are going back, everybody to April twenty sixth,
nineteen eighty five. I'm so excited to chat with Devin

(11:25):
about this movie because if you remember, like we were saying,
Devin was on last year and we talked about election
going back to the eighties, but we talked about sixteen
Candles and how it's beloved. It's great, but it's also
a little little problematic. And this movie is also like it.
I think personally, I.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Think I think it's I think it was less problematic
than it would be. Yes, I actually found some scenes
like very graceful.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yes, I actually thought it was kind of thoughtful. Some
of the jokes, even though they might be they might
make your head turn now, they're still kind of playful
and thoughtful.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
In a way.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
You know, you can tell there was care and maybe
that's because we had a female director with this one.
I don't know, right, but now we're going to talk
about just One of the Guys. One of my favorite
high school movies, and I believe it is in the
top fifty high school movies according to Entertainment Weekly.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
It was that.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, right, so I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
What you want to do this movie? Though? Oh it
is not that well known.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yes, it's not that well known, but I love it.
I saw it as a kid on cable.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah. I was thinking the same thing, like do I
even remember what network it?

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Like, you know, what do you think We're not.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Starting movies from the beginning, so I'm sure we just
jumped right in and we're like, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, I was into it. I didn't care that it
was in the eighties. I probably saw it in late nineties,
you know. I'm probably was around I don't know, ten
or fifteen, you know, but I loved it myself.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Like, now are there kids that like catch mean Girls?
Which is insane? It's twenty misgo and they're like falling
in love with it and not thinking like because we
definitely didn't think like this look's old or whatever.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, I mean it definitely, you know, I say often
on the show, And I just feel like sometimes like
eighties movies, depending on the budget or the quality the camera,
like some of them do look really old. But this,
I feel like looks pretty good.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
I watched it. I mean, I think that's something I
didn't notice as a kid, Like it's clearly low budget,
Like I think they didn't have they didn't have a lot,
and and.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
You don't need a lot for a movie like this.
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
I would have liked a better soundtrack. There's no like
there was, Like I mean, I love some of like
the saxophone at the prom and something that. But I'm like,
you know, most eighties movies are tied to like some
kind of iconic or or a hit that you would
know and right, right, I think that was something in
the that's true.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, there's no real standout. Although I did write the
lyrics to the first song that opens up the movie.
Girls got something, Boys ain't got what I mean, And
for the film it must have been, right, I mean,
it's just so it's so uh, it's so on the
not for this movie, right, amazing. Yeah, So Devin, So
do you think you also you watched this on TV

(14:05):
on cable? Were you with were you with anyone? Were
you home alone? What were you alone? What are your memories?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I remember just I mean, I
don't want to jump to the ending, but I just remember,
oh yeah, like definitely. It's such a like triumphant moment.
Like that's why the other night when I was I
was watching it and all my stories, I posted a
clip from when Terry finally atta's Greg and I was like,
karate kid.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Who, like, I know this was he such a villain.
By the way, Greg is such a jerk. Oh my god, Like.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Are you watching her? Like, I'm like, I cannot wait
till he gets what's coming today?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
I know, I know. And it's so funny that they
even there's I think Sherylyn Fenn, her character says about
Terry Mail Terry. She even mentions the karate kids. She's like,
looks like the karate kid, dresses like Elvis Costello, you know,
So it's fun to have a little karate kid reference
with the star will be right back.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Cherry's a girl who wanted to be taken Seriously, I
am going to be a reporter, but her body kept
getting in the way.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Pretty curly, you could be a model. Sometimes I just
wish I were a guy. You know, the male body
needs sex at all times.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
It's a living health.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
I found a whole half an hour Q and A
on YouTube from a twentieth anniversary screening ten years ago,
which no, I'm sorry anniversaries. And it was at the
Sina Family, which was in LA and it was a
midnight place. I think I saw sounds of lambs there.
It's since been shut down. There was a lot of

(15:45):
drama there and it was rebranded as it's a new
theater now in LA. I have to find the name
of it. But yeah, and everyone was there.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Wow, oh my god, I got a watch it.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, Buddy was there, Greg was there. Uh,
the director was there. And I love that. It was
like a midnight you know movie.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
That's great. Oh I love that. I just I love
a drag movie. I love a drag comedy.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Well, I think that's what the director was saying. She
was like, it was kind of it fell into her
hands because they were like, Okay, we need a youthful
Tootsie movie, yes, or like a teenage yento or whatever.
So it was like it was.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Right, okay, and I love you. You just name drop
the movies that they name drop. I believe it's Buddy
the brother says. It says, you know what are you, Totsy?

Speaker 1 (16:31):
You know who do you think you are?

Speaker 2 (16:32):
TOTSI yes, like you're right. This one's a little bit
of a deeper cut. It's not as famous as other
great drag comedies, but god, I love it, and it
really is such a precursor to a movie. I love
She's the Man. I mean, you can't those who know
just one of the guys and no, She's the Man.
I mean, you have to put them in the same family.

(16:53):
What a great double feature.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
And it's funny because I think when we were talking
about the pilot, I wrote about, you know, the guy
pretending to be a teenager to get cat whatever. We
referenced those films and then I realized, whatever the genre
is called, I think that's what I really like it
the whole Like under.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Undercover, yes, the seat Identity, Yes, they're always all so good,
even like twenty one Jump Street the movie did it,
and so many movies do it, you know, younger.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
I love younger.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Oh, younger.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
That's having a huge resurgence now because it's on Netflix now.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Oh how funny. I wonder if they'll bring it back.
That's so interesting. I actually never watched, but I know
it was a huge deal and I was living in
New York at the time. Was everywhere.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I tried to watch it, and I guess I just
didn't give it enough of a chance. Maybe I'll try again.
I have a long and.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
I think it kind of filled like a Gossip Girl
Sex in the City void for me.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
But yeah, but it's fier than gossip Girl, right, yeah, later.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
I mean they're twenty minute nuggets.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yes, little nuggets.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Oh love it. Speaking of Gossip Girl, I love that
you were on that too, Like I was. I wonder
if we were ever likeny. When did you When were
you working on that? When did you live in New York?

Speaker 1 (18:00):
No, I lived in Baltimore. So I booked it and
I was like, oh, I'm just gonna take that's right.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
That's where it's from.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, So I got a hotel in Brooklyn. I was
surprid of myself.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I stayed at the Pod, which was a fancy hostle.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
I just stayed at the Pod, New York. Oh my god,
I Brooklyn, but oh my god, I didn't even know
they were around back then.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
No, Brooklyn, but yeah, I hit the Pod and I
probably took like a five hundred dollars taxi every time.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Just oh my god, oh my god. I love that
so much. I was living there and I worked on
it a few seasons. Yeah, totally, Oh my god, fun
fact crazy. Okay, Well, everybody, let me set the scene
before Dev and I, you know, get even more nerdy
about this movie. I'm gonna tell you what was going on,
what was popular at this time forty years ago, April
and nineteen eighty five, Devin, you tell me what you think. Okay.

(18:48):
On the music side, these were the top songs. The
number one song was We Are the World, which is
just amazing to think of. Crazy for You from Madonna
was in the top ten top.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Which does does Madonna have vision Quest to thank for
her career? I mean, wasn't that like her? No? I
mean I watched that a few years ago. I've never
seen it before. I don't know why I watched it
in this Yeah, that's one singles right, yes?

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Oh yeah. Because her first album was yeah, it was
a little more than forty years ago. Yeah, for sure.
So that was a big one for her. Rhythm of
the Night from DeBarge, Oh wow, right, that was in
the top five. Don't You Forget About Me from Simple
Minds from the Breakfast Club, another huge nineteen eighty five
teen film, of course, with some of our brat pack.

(19:39):
I think the other night they just did I need
to see the full video. It's like an hour long
discussion they were, I don't know where, maybe a festival
or I guess a convention. The whole cast. I know,
it's not amazing. That's I have that queued up. I
think it's all the whole thing's on YouTube. So between
your Q and A that you found for this movie
and that, I mean nineteen eighty five reunions, I'm ready right.

(20:02):
And then another song I love that was in the
top ten One Night in Bangkok from Murray.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Oh God, I love that. Yeah, I think I don't
want to say it was the first time I heard it,
but I rediscovered it on screen Queen season two. Oh.
I used it for the opening of season two in
a lash vaccine.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Wow, good memory. Wow, I forget how I I only
discovered it. Yeah, maybe around that same time, maybe ten
or so years ago. I don't know how I did,
but wow, yeah, what a great wild song. So it's
funny to just kind of piece all these puzzle pieces together, like, okay,
that was happening at that time. And on the movie side,
other popular movies besides this one, this opened at number two.

(20:43):
This was actually, you know, not like the biggest hit,
but I mean it was number two for two weeks
in a row, so I mean people were going to
see just one.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, yeah, eleven million. I think it's right, which even
now is good.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
For like yeah, now it's like I know, right, but
was the number one? Number one was a Burt Reynolds
and Candice Bergen movie called Stick. I don't really know
much about it, but so I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
The director's name is Lisa, right.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, Lisa gottlie B.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
I believe she She said something when I watched The
Q and A that I didn't didn't check out. She
said it opened with perfect the John Travolta Jamily Curtis movie.
The numbers they weren't ou at the same time. Yeah,
I think I think what she was saying is whatever
a distribution company or whatever they chose to push Perfect,

(21:31):
and I think she was weirdly happy and relishing in
the fact that Perfect ended up bombing just one of
the guys still kind of held its own and obviously
had a life after. Perfect is weirdly iconic just because
of that, Like I know, yes, which that's the only
part I've ever seen in that movie. She said they
gave it nothing. There was no guy, so you know again, wow, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Well impressive then that it did as well as it did.
You know that it didn't open at like ten, it
opened at two, right, But yeah, Stick was number one.
That was a Burt Reynolds. I mean, he looks like
he's a cop, so maybe it's like a thriller.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Other popular movies Police Academy two, Mask with Share, which
I still need to see. I still have never seen it,
and Young Laura Dern and Eric Stultz, right, Lady Hawk
with Michelle Pfeiffer, and Desperately Seeking Susan going Back to Madonna, Right,
those were all in the top ten movies or so.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
It made me realize that I don't have many favorite
films from eighty five, like, I mean, maybe besides Micro's Club,
which I discussed this episode I don't love as much
as I used to. Yeah, have you ever seen Laura
Dern Smooth Talk?

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I've heard of smooth Talk that came out.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Later this year with Treat Williams. She recently passed away.
Oh Mark, It is one of my favorite movies. It's
actually in my letterbox top four right now.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
No, what's the genre? Romance comedy?

Speaker 1 (22:56):
People say it has arguably the best tunnel shift of
a time, like she plays like a fifteen year old.
It's based off of a Joyce Carol Oats short story
called where are You Going? Where have you Been? And
it's funny, Like I've actually inspired to write something about
it because I just this movie has lived in me
for so long. It is sorry to go on a tangent,
but I love it and you got you all need

(23:17):
to watch it. So Lardern plays this fifteen year old
who is just starting to come into her own and
blossom and kind of sneak to bars with her friends
and hang out at the mall and and I'm giving into,
you know, a little bit of her promiscuous side. And
Treat Williams plays this older man who's kind of like
semi stalking her throughout the film, but again the first

(23:37):
hour or so just feels fluffy. And then at the
midpoint of the film, when her parents and her sister
are away and leave her at home, he shows up.
And that's all I'll say. It is absolutely relentless, terrifying.
Oh shit, insanely. I mean, it becomes like I will say,
it becomes like a horror movie too. It's a very

(23:59):
hard movie too, writing this down down. Okay, I got
the Criterion of that too, and it's incredible.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
But yeah, please watch Oh my god, smooth talk.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
People have seen it.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I just got so like giddy and excited. I just
added to my very long movies and TV.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
To watch only because, like I said, like for some reason,
eighty five, you know, eighty four's I got Gremlins and everything.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
And yeah, well eighty five does have the Goonies.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Like I mean, I I appreciate the Goonies.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, maybe it's a little you know, so Breakfast Club,
the Goonies return to Oz.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Which that's scary.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
That's a good scary one. I know. Yeah, those are
movies I'll probably talk about.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
But yeah, guys, if you're movie fans, props, artwork, posters, everything,
prop store is amazing. We just recently had an auction.
We've had a Twilight auction Star Trek Auctions. Wow, so cool.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Twilight. Oh my gosh, that's so fun. I just saw
that Twilight is now I saw the maybe it's going
all over, but because I know Labyrinth is going all
over with like a live orchestra, you know, screening, But yeah,
I went no, did you went that's right? How was it?
Was it awesome?

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah? It was awesome.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Oh one of the best that'll be next year. I
think that's an eighty six move if I remember correctly, right,
But no, I saw the Twilights now. Oh okay, all right,
good to know absolutely, I love right, Yeah, our next
eighties movie. You're like on my eighties track. Yeah. I
didn't realize that you worked part time, like at a

(25:26):
prop what do you call it prop house?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Prop? It's actually an auction house, because I think it's
called prop stores. So people call like, can you make
a spaceship? But it's like we have after the fat thing.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Right, yes, absolutely, things that are already that have already
been made or used for something right now.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
We had a Rick Baker auction one, so that's how
I learned about Cursed I think a total one eighty
and you had mentioned that a couple of weeks ago. Yes,
we had stuff from Rick Baker from earlier auction off there,
like weird.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Did you take pictures? Did you? Did you?

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Like? I still have pictures? Oh, but of course we
had the gremlins to everything. Oh so I have a
picture with the gizmo.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
So to prove to the men in her life she
had a mind, Terry decided to try life as a guy.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Dash my zip's open.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
That was the dashing part.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
In your own words for anyone who hasn't seen just
one of the guys, which some people might be listening
and they're like, I have no idea what that is.
Tell us what is like the logline? What's it about?
In your own you know? Brief synopsis? What is this movie?

Speaker 1 (26:32):
When a young writer feels belittled by her teacher in
her efforts to get an internship with the Sun Tribune
for writing for the summer, she decides to go undercover
as a man at a different school so she has
an opportunity to be so seriously as a writer. Absolutely

(26:53):
jes and it also just made me think, God, don't
we miss the time when like a pitch could be
just so simple, and like that was just you know,
that's it's me. I mean, that's why I wanted to.
I mean, I know I'm jumping ahead, but I loved
how like we had no makeover, seeing, no thought process.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
It's just like, no, you're so right, You're so right.
She literally I And you know, it had been a
long time since I've rewatched this. You know, I've probably
been maybe at least twenty years.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I thought it was on Pluto a few months back,
and this is that chance. Like that's what I love
about Pluto. It's kind of old school cable style. Yes,
and oh my god, I definitely wherever I start, wherever
it was at when I turned it on, I yeah, went.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
To the oh nice. Okay, so you just rewatched at
least like part of it, just not that long.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Enough to say. I not that it would have done
anything for me as a young gay kid, but when
you watched it on TV, you didn't know that that
iconic scene happened. And I think that's why it was
important that she did that backshot too, because it's like,
how are they going to put this one right?

Speaker 2 (27:56):
You're so right. Yeah, it's like they knew in real
time making it like this is the real version and
then this is the edited for TV version. You have
to get you know.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
What was this like moments before VHS, which is interesting
like beta max right, like, yes, that's one thing again
in the Q and A. Joyce was like, my brain
didn't go there thinking about freeze frames and people, you know,
because in their mind, so I think she just wasn't
thinking in that long term.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Of hate of like oh god, yeah, wow, I mean
it's a it truly though.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
I mean we'll go more into that later, because they
talked a lot about should they or shouldn't they do that?
And it was really really interesting.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
I can't imagine the movie without it. I mean, it
is the moment and it's and it's not gratuitous, it's
funny and it's obviously so honest and you know, so
I mean, yeah, that's amazing. But no, yeah, going back
real quick to there's no makeover, to the point where
as I'm rewatching it, I'm like, whoa, Okay, we're already here,
like she was.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Isn't that like isn't that a director or a producer's dream?
Like just get to the get.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Your heart oh my god.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah. Especially there's a lot of build up in a
way like it's it's slow. At times. I did think
it could have lost ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Oh yeah, I thought the same thing. It's an hour
and forty and I was surprised at that was like
an hour forty. But to me, I feel like the
beginning before, before the change, before she realizes like she
has a plan that all works. It's actually like a
little later like I do, it's fun with the whole
Sandy Sharlan fan stuff she's wearing, like the love Yeah yeah, yah,
yeah hot. Oh yeah, she's hot. She's totally hot. But

(29:36):
like I do feel like later on we almost spend
a little bit too much time with either like Shehriylyn
Finn or Debrah. Like when when there are some like
girlfriends around, I kind of feel like, yeah, like you know,
there's some good stuff, but we could trim it, or
maybe too much of the karate Kid bully.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
What a Fox dresses like Elvis Costell?

Speaker 1 (30:00):
It looks like the Karate Kid, I mean again. Another
thing I saw was that the movie's resurgence slightly was
to thank for chry Lynn's rise to fame from Twin
Peaks because people were like, I want to see what
everything she's done, and you know, yeah, had a lot
of fans.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
I thought that was interesting and it's funny because like
this was definitely a few years before Twin Peaks, and
I'm like, wait, I forgot she was in this. So
I'm like, how do I know that face? Like I
recognized her, but like I didn't. I'm like I thought
she was someone else at first. I was like, oh,
that is her, you know, so yeah, great cast.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
And it's when you go back to what you were
saying about it taking too much time. When she first
meets Rick, it definitely gives us little goosebumps. But like
then it's like another twenty minutes or so now they
encounter each other again.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yes, so they do take their time, which I didn't
mind that. I thought that was pretty cool. I think
just maybe in the in the second half, like maybe
even I don't know, maybe not the third act, but
I don't know. It just it drags a little bit
when I'm like, Okay, we could probably get to a
big finale sooner, you know, but either.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Way big I mean the finale, I will say, like
makes up for Oh yeah, that you would have been
like a little like you know, bored with if you will, it.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Ends that prom I mean like proms the big climax.
I mean, it's just like perfectly it's a perfect teen
movie in that way where it's all leading to the
better dans.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
But I mean the actor who plays Buddy Buddy, just
in general, that character and that performance, oh does I
don't want to say saves the film, but like he's.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
So God, Buddy is box.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
One of the reviews was like best little brother.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Oh my god, although I know we're jumping around, but
although I did write my notes, God damn it, Buddy,
because Buddy's the one that brings Kevin, her boyfriend, who's
such a douche to prompt like, so he's like backing
her up. He's he's supporting her even though he's always
making fun of her and always saying some not so
kosher things. Right, but then for no real reason, he's like, oh, okay,

(31:54):
I'll take you to where she is, and you know,
like this is gonna be something to see. It's like, wait,
why are you doing that to your sister? This is
going to ruin everything? You know what I mean so,
but we don't have a movie with that. I know,
I know, but also I just have to say that
actor I think his name is William Jacoby.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Uh so, I have no idea why I remember Parker
Lewis Can't Lose. Obviously I had seen that before I
actually discovered this film. I don't know what kind of
like you was, Sheri Lynne, like, yeah, Parker Lewis, I
think ran for only a couple of seasons. I'm sure
I was very young when I saw it on TV,
but I recognized him, maybe had a crush on him,

(32:34):
a crush.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
On him, I mean, and I looked up his age
in this movie. He is only fifteen, which I feel
very creepy now, I mean I think we were we
were young. We were yeah when we when we saw this,
we were young. But wow, like he really is such
a cutie in his little bod and I'm just like,
oh my god, William Jacoby. What so he really is
a great character? Yeah, great character, great actor. What a sidekick?

Speaker 1 (32:58):
And oh Billy Jane Billy.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, now, I guess he goes by Billy James before
it was Billy Jacoby. I believe he changed it for some.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Of the lines I've put I've had lots of sex
just now I'd like to try it with a partner.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Oh, I know, he's got great and I think.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Maybe my favorite. Nope, I'm horny. Horny will kick embarrassments
ass every time.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
I mean so true. He has great lives.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Today's woman has the freedom to be just as sick
and bruited as us guys. Again talking about the plot,
before Terry makes her decision, and there's a scene where
the other teacher is such a cree Oh yeah, because
again with the lead up to the catalyst for the
her decision, I thought that was.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
You know, such a creep. I wrote those lines down
because it was so I said, creepy teacher has the
hots for Terry. Once her teacher which I believe his
name is mister Raymaker. He wants mister Raymaker to flunk
her and keep her back a year because she has
great tits, long legs. It's so gross and she can
hear all this, which is cool, right, and so yeah,

(34:06):
I just that is really creepy. I mean, the movie,
you know, is fun and light, but some of these
moments I'm like, well, you men, back to an election. Jeez,
like a writ your student.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
You mentioned she's the man there. So they're both loosely
based off Twelfth Night, correct, right, And it makes me wonder,
what was the first team movie to do that, you know, uh,
you know, using one of those stories you.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Know, right, absolutely, yeah, right, all those.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, that might have been one of the first. This
might have been one of the first, Like.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
It might be one of the clueless is am I
you know?

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Interesting?

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, I always I always want to say clueless is Shakespeare,
but I stopped myself to say, I'm like.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
All right, it's not, yeah, just as far as classics, but.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yes, classics modernized. Yeah, this might be one of the
first ones, which I love. And that's another reason why
the story just totally works because it's a classic Shakespeare story.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
But but yeah, speaking of the actors, I wanted to quickly,
you know, just talk about Joyce Heiser, who plays our
girl Terry. She had just done this is Spinal Tap
Valley Girl Staying Alive, so she was popping up in
some very memorable early eighties movies. What do you think
of her? I mean, she's so like magnetic in this movie.

(35:20):
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, like I said, I she's so charming. I am,
it's funny. I'm embarrassed, like as a Chris guest fan. Yeah,
I've never went that far back. I've never watched that.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I haven't either. I know I've seen clips, but I
haven't seen the full thing.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
I hear you and what else did you mention?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Valley Girl?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I will rewatched that because I remember, like, you know,
we all had our like let's discover every teen field
ever era. I feel like I've never watching that, maybe
not thinking it was that great, but I was pretty young,
so I need to watch that.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
So it's been a lot.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, I mean this, Yeah, so you know, I wish
she had more of a career after this. I don't
know if it harmed her. It could have of being
known as like the rack or something. I feel like.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
It is a great rack. Oh my god, I mean wow,
And even as a young boy is like, whoa girl? Okay,
good for you, you know, but man, she's so funny and
she's so stinking cute. I mean, she rocks that short
haircut so well, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
And I'm sure I think she had she had had
a handful of chemistry reads with people. And Rick is
so unconventionally cute, if you will. But there's there they are,
There's there the energy between them that we feel, even
though she has to be so reserved with him, it's
like it's such It's a really good performance. And I

(36:42):
hate to mention the androgynist sleeves bag line, which is
so funny, but I think there was something to that
casting that was like she can pull it off.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yes, she actually could. I mean in many shots.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Well it was supposed to be. Again, this karate connection
is bigger than we realized. Like Ralph Machio the blueprint
for what they wanted.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Oh wow, Okay, yeah, I guess because yeah he was,
you know, but yeah, that had come out the year prior,
you know, and then I think this was a story
again you know, yes, but I guess because yeah he was.
He was sort of scrawny, you know. I wouldn't say
he was androgynist, but I guess. Yeah, that's so interesting

(37:23):
that he was the blueprint. That's really interesting. Wow. Yeah, No,
there are other lines I wrote down about, just like
the sex change her friend. I forget her girlfriend's name, Denise,
Denise of course, who who buddy is obsessed with? Right,
But like it's just I mean, you know, it's it's funny.
I mean, in a twenty twenty five lens, it's kind
of like, all right, chill everyone. But again I don't.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Again, when they're mentioning these things, whether it's trans sections,
they're not really doing it with disdain. It's like, we
know this exists, like taking your testosterone pills or whatever
like they so again, that's something I found nice. It's
something that they just knew was kind of a matter
of fact thing that people do. But they're making fun

(38:05):
of her because it's really what she's going through, you know,
in regards to that. But I still don't think it
was treated.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
With like a oh yeah yeah. And a lot of
it comes from Buddy, which he's making fun of his
sister because of course he would, you know, when he's
on the phone with their parents, like oh, she's a
transsexual now, like she can't come to the phone doctor.
The doctor says like something to do with her voice changing,
you know.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
It's just like and again that word was.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, and then he says transvestite as well, So yeah,
some words you know back then. And it's funny like
when I actually really love so speaking of you know
when the quick change to now she like tricks him
into thinking that he's a guy looking for his sister,
you know, and he's like.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
And then he's like helping her with like grabbing you know,
nuts and like do you want a walk? Like it's
actually very cute.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
And I like that balls.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Maybe my balls don't itch.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Sometimes you gotta get inside dig a little. Let's some
aaron move things around.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Yeah, well maybe my ball stone it all balls itch.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
It's a fact. But like with the sock, actually it
merely made me think of Boys Don't Cry, which is
a very different movie but you know, you know, stuffing
your pants. But sad little connection there. But I really
loved because a different nineteen eighty five movie would have
had the brother be like eh, and then maybe it
would have been Denise helping Terry like figure out how
to be a guy, you know, or but I love

(39:32):
that the brothers kind of like you're a weirdo. All right,
sure I'll help you, you know what I mean. So
even though he's like a little skeezy brat, he really does.
I mean, he's just a great character. That's why I'm
just like, why did you have to send her awful
boyfriend to prom. But of course, you know, it all
has to fall apart somehow.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
You know, one thing I wanted to ask you again,
you're talking about, you know, characters being introduced even are
very minor side characters, those those alien boys.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Wait, yes, uh huh, yes, exactly now it's so funny
now rewatching this, I was thinking the same thing, like, oh,
can't hardly wait. Totally was inspired by those guys. And
they also were giving me a little bit of sixteen candles,
like with the John cusack Nerdy boys a little bit.
But these boys are like, you know, super and they

(40:26):
you know, it's funny. Some of the some of the
lines that are kind of the most cringed now are
said by supporting characters. Because even those guys, and I
like them, they're funny. How they say about their teacher.
They're like, oh, she's so like neurotic or something. She
she's had too much coffee and not enough sex. You know,
it's like, you know, there's just there's a lot of judgment.
Of course, that's the whole reason for the movie. There's

(40:47):
a lot of judgment from men. No, she told she
told Terry, you have to go to the bathroom three minutes,
like time limit, you know. And also funny to have
a hall pass for boys and one for girls. It's
just like a pass is a pass, right. Oh god,
I don't miss those days.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
I'm pretty sure. After we cut to the basketball scene
and this was so true. Did you ever were you
ever in a shirts and skin situation?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Luckily?

Speaker 1 (41:17):
No, God I was an angel every time. Oh, I
mean from what I'm insecure and I'm trying to buy.
When I look back, I'm like, that's really fucking weird.
But again it's like they're not thinking that maybe one
of these I know, God, it's just insecure with my
body too. I'm like, I don't, I don't want to,
you know.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
And of course, and of course she is like fully clothed,
like she has layers.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
On, like like sweat shirts. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yeah, it's I'm so I know. I'm so glad you
brought that up, because yes, some of these scenes I
realized are triggering, Like it brings me back to a
time where yeah, like and and it's funny I think.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
We yeah, we were truly putting yourselves in her.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Oh yeah, because she almost represented us in a way.
Oh for sure, you know, people you know, hiding an
identity and the secret and also feeling very physically not
totally connected with people you know, and oh my god,
don't even get me started on like the shower scenes.
I remember, and maybe I realized rewatching, I'm like, did
this movie start getting me scared about like high school showers?

(42:20):
Luckily that was never part of my high school gym experience,
but I remember like going on a tour and asking,
whoever the torqu i is, do I have to take
showers with other people? Like do I have to like
take clothes like cause you know, like, yeah, we were
queer boys, and like, you know, we see these like
gods in movies and TV, and that's not at all
what I look like. And of course the hot boys
look like that. Like I don't remember ever having to

(42:43):
be in a shirts versus skins thing in Jim, but
I do remember some really cute boys taking their shirts
off in front of everyone like for something, So I
don't know how I got lucky, and again, like you
like didn't have to do that? Yeah, I mean I
remember staring and being like, wow, that's not how I look,
you know, But oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, I think I think even if it was before
we knew about our sexuality or whatever that we internally
repressed whatever, like we were, we were able to identify
with this movie. I think that's why it stayed with
us and it was special.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yes, oh my god, the showers, the locker room.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
She it's so funny rewatching. I'm like, oh my god,
that's right. She does the trick with like the paper
with the with the sprinklers just to change. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
really clever. So it's like that great comedy that's able
to really not only make you laugh, but like really
kind of feel for her and feel for anyone in
this awkward situation. Because you do feel for what's lover

(43:42):
boy's name, Rick, You feel for him too, because he's
also like not like one of the guys, you know,
he's like, I mean when.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
We that that lunch table is just so so good.
Oh yeah, I was gonna say, if we're gonna just
go back to not nitpicking, but just yeah, tell me
of you know, like, oh, we'll just say the parents
are away for two weeks. How perfect?

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I know. I was like, how easy? And it really
made me think of like, don't tell mom the Babysitters Dead.
It's just funny how like certain movies like this, it's like, oh, yep,
you're doing that lane, Okay, Yeah, it's funny. At least
they had a phone call with them, because for a
while I'm like, we know, where are your parents?

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Right?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
But I mean, can it happen? Can all this happen
in any other way? I guess it could. I guess
they could have been around and she just constantly has
to Maybe there would have been more of those antics
of like, you know, because we do have the misdoubt
fire moment or the Lady Bugs moment. I love that
one as well. Where towards the end though, with Sherylyn
Fenn coming up with Sandy coming up the steps as

(44:43):
Terry's and female and.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
She looks so good, it's always like excruciating to watch
her have to take off that whole outfit and make
up everything.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Honestly, it is so smart of director Lisa Gottlieb and
the writers Dennis Feldman and Jeff Franklin haven't shouted them
out yet, so smart whoever's decision it was to make
her look so good, so glam and now, because that's
the that's got to eat up, time.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
To wipe all that look, you know, you know, especially
it is.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
It is crazy, though, Devin, now that you're you're really
like making me realize without any sort of makeover and
you know change, we don't even see like a haircut scene.
We don't even like literally I kind of forgot, like,
oh wait, yeh, she just had long hair, like literally
a minute ago. Now it's short, you know. Tutsie like
showed us, you know, the make up, all those close ups.
We didn't get any of that. Of course, missus Stutfire.

(45:34):
That's like some of the most of course, some of
the most iconic montage. So it really is interesting. They
didn't give any uh, they just went from A to
B without any connector you know. With that with that change.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
She learned their secrets.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
I asked surprised Jack inspections three times a week, award
to the wines.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
And dated there women. Yeah, but I got this one rule.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
I never go out with girls who say fit more
writing compliments that I have here, just the little moment
with Deborah with the eraser, I love that one. It's
connecting him to the most popular girl in school and
showing that she's not a cliche bitch. You can't possibly

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hopefully to make the movie work be as bad as
as Greg, but just that when when she's walking away,
it's just like, wait, that's really fucking weird that I yes.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I have a sister, but you know what, I also
wrote that down because I'm like, also, guys had earrings
back then, so it is kind of funny how It's
like another joke could have been like are your ears pierced?
How do you know that? You know, like it would
just be interesting to see how what other ways you
can take that joke. They instead were like, wait, I'm
a dude, I don't know anything about that, you know,

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but yes, that is a cute moment. And that's really
of where we start to really meet Deborah. You know,
she's kind of introduced a little later, which makes sense
because then it's part of this love triangle because of
course Terry wants Rick, and it is it is kind
of heartbreaking, but although she kind of did it to herself,
Terry's pushing Rick to like get his glow up, and
he looks I mean he looked cute before, but he

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looks great, you know, with the quaff, and then she's
like you gotta you gotta have a date, you know,
and then he finally asked Deborah to prom She says yes,
and then we're looking at Terry looking so defeated, like,
oh god, how did I just do that?

Speaker 1 (47:34):
You know, Just just to pinpoint another creepy moment, when
he says that when his dad died a friend of
my mom's. Yes, yes, I wrote that's onking that up
to be like, Okay, I'm not a version, but I
was like, what.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
The know the way the tone is like how he
says like, yeah, he basically lost his virginity to his friends,
to his mom mom's friend, I believe, so an older
woman to make him feel better, and Terry's just like
oh and then they just move on. It's not really
like a funny moment. I mean, that's that's a strange
That to me is like, Okay, one of the writers
that that was based on real life, Like one of

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the writers really lost his virginity to his mom's friend
or something. Right, that details too random. Yeah, that's a
little that's a little strange.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
But yeah, but again, I know we went like we
do see that montage of him trying to like pick
up these girls, I'm like, these girls are stupid, Like
he is such a catch. I would week and perfect
casting because you you known't. It's it's his personality and
everything that. Oh yeah, clay Claaron Wroner.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, Clayton Roner, And that's funny. I recognize him from
a bunch of other things, but I couldn't tell you,
like right now, what he's done, like right, like he's just.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Interesting about this movie. We have people we recognize, but
no one ended up.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Being like a huge yeah, which is surprising, especially Buddy.
I just feel like, whoa you could have been? I
don't like an Adam Sandler type or you know, oh something,
but it is funny. A year later, it was April
Fool's Day, which brings Clayton Roner and Deborah uh oh
yeah back together again? Oh did they? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:11):
I've seen that, but only once, so not enough to remember.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Oh interesting, Clayton Roner was in Ozark, but I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I don't remember. I heard. Yeah I've never seen that,
but I heard I heard that.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah, oh you've never seen Ozark?

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Okay, whoa? That was just such a big show. It's
good if you ever want to get into it. I
mean it's really I mean, the later seasons are really great.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Even though boomed over the past decade.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Oh, it's hard to watch it. Forget it.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
I mean as severance, I was on it, you're on it.
It's one of a kind.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
My bro, just one of the guys.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
But he looks it.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
He named his cock. He's like sorry, Spike, Like when
they're both crawling up the stairs.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yes, oh my god. Yes, she's drunk, and he's like
sad because what happened? I think a girl just left?
And like he didn't get lucky, right, So he's kind
of bummed. She's drunk from their stressful double date and
we got Kevin her her boyfriend, like looking around. Yeah,
but yeah, I like that too. It's so kind of

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random and fun and again makes us not only like
each of them individually, but them as like a duo,
like brother and sister are really in this together, which
is cute because again, so many brothers and sister types,
like the guy would not be helping the girl at all,
he'd be making her feel bad. They would have gotten
into a fight. I don't think they get into a

(50:42):
fight at all in the movie. There's no like, oh
I went too far I hurt your feelings with them
at least, you know. So it is fun that he's
so he's so like kind of reluctantly supportive, you know,
but also another kind of like, uh because like what
what we were saying, buddy, when he's kind of saying
derogatory things to her, it's it's he's just kind of
poking fun. When the jock what's his name, Greg, it's

(51:06):
so funny when I'm glad I don't say that F word,
the F slur, because I was thinking that was gonna happen. Instead,
he says tulip, and I kind of liked. I mean,
it's it's obviously a derogatory word, but I don't know,
you don't hear tulip too often at all, So I'm like, Okay,
I can handle tulip.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
And I also like that saying he's insecure, yes, which is.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Important, He's insecure. And then I love how Terry says
she says, deep down he's insecure. And then I think
Terry says, well, in the front, he's an asshole. Like
I love when Terry, like not only as boy Terry,
but all throughout. She's kind of got this like way
of speaking that's a little blunt, a little like no bullshit.
You know, she's such a queen. She's such a great character,

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you know, played by the right actress. And going back
to she's the man, I mean joyce when she's like
in guy mode. Like I love when she in the
bathroom in the men's room and another guy comes in
and she goes, oh, I finished.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
But even that was again like I don't want to
like triggering, like I think you know that's other regardless
of your sexuality. Just those moments where you're.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Like you're ready to pee and then someone comes in
and you're like, that's in the bathroom. And I've never
liked to put the bathroom like pretend you're yeah, you're
just like you're like fuck.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
And you're like, let me go outside for a minute,
and then you think enough time has passed, but you
walk back and the same person's in there.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
And I know, I know it's so funny that Yeah,
I really, I really do relate a lot to this movie.
I think that's why I might not watch it a lot,
but I have such love for it because I completely
see myself in a lot of terry, you know, and
it sounds like you do too, and maybe.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
A lot of no buy I do love a flannel
cut off, and then funded me down the beach and
I'm like, maybe this is I got my fashions.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Yes, I think it is. You're right, David, because I've
seen pictures of you and that and you can rock
that flannel cut off. Hey, I think it needs to
come back. I think it's a good look, right. But yeah,
I feel like Buddy is like the teen male Samantha
Jones from Sex and the City, you know what I mean,
Just so Horny can't get it out of his mind.

(53:17):
It's sort of like this is the Samantha prequel that
we didn't know we needed.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Right.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
But even the coach, I mean, like going back to
like the locker room and stuff he called he calls
Mail Terry a pussy. He's like, what are you a pussy?
So like it is funny how all the mean words
are from men outside of Terry's immediate circle, you know
what I mean. So I do like that because you know,
like I said, another movie, her immediate circle would be

(53:43):
jabbing her with meaner words, you know, with meaner attitudes.
But they're all going along with it and think it's funny,
which is kind of cool. You know, there's not a
lot of judgment from her immediate kind of family, let's say, right,
which I like, you know, it's all from the outside
of God that coach again of triggering a lot of
triggering stuff in this movie.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
When Rick decides to embarrass Greg, that's an incredible, incredible
moment him as a character and just you know, just
ye know, it's like and it's funny because this is
still not the just desserts for Greg, but it's uh
a foreshadowing ish of like yeah, like he's he's definitely
gonna get uh revenge because yeah, so Rick, I think

(54:29):
Terry's coming into her own and Rick through because of
maybe the confidence that Terry has instilled in him. He's
growing as a person and getting his backbone. And it's yes,
it's so cool because again after in Police Greg it
might be like a one note character on paper, but
the look he's giving it's like he knows that everything

(54:50):
he's saying is right and this is a secure person
like most bullies are. Yea, yeah, I think that's such
a great scene and.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
The absolutely and you know, it's funny. I want that
I kind of was remembering the scene and she's all
that with the weird pube pizza. But that's when like
Freddy Prince Junior, not that he needs to like figure
out how to stand up to people because he's the
popular jock, but like he really has that scene in
the cafeteria. So it's just funny to see this movie
and then see some of its DNA trickle into other movies,

(55:18):
you know. But yeah, it's really actually beautiful that that
mail Terry really does help Rick, you know, get some
confidence makeover, you know, because I.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Mean she's really cool at her other school totally. I mean,
like she's probably the of her school.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah, she's popular, she's got like they they call Kevin,
you know, I think they say like a Greek god
or he's perfect or whatever.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
So and he's in college. She's going to college guy.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
You know, he's kind of like Torrance, you know.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Oh totally, yes, absolutely, Yeah. So it's it's really I
I really love their dynamic of like you know, they
are kind of like Buddy Rick and and Terry. It's
just that Terry is of course falling for him, and
you know, and then so we get to the big reveal,
which we're right. Well, right before the you know, the

(56:12):
visual reveal, Kevin says, I'm Terry's boyfriend, you know, after
this big fight a prom, and here's Rick being like, oh,
Terry's gay, which that was interesting too, because now how
wonderful that.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Yeah again, well we already knew that Rick is an
amazing person, but just I understand.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
He's like and he's like, no, no, I get it, you're gay,
and she's like, no, I'm a girl, you know. But
then later when Terry does kiss Rick in front of everyone,
which is embarrassing for you know, Rick, because you know,
he knows the truth, but like not everyone does, and
everyone's like, oh, you know, and he says, it's all right, everyone,
she's a girl. She has t right, Like he does

(56:50):
sort of need to qualify it, he needs to sort
of explain like no, no, no, no, homo, she's you know.
So there's a little bit of that which is underst Hannibal,
you know. But it's just funny because once he's upset,
he's been tricked, he's been lied to. You know, I
totally get it, right, But then it is funny to
me how even though it's sort of just been revealed,

(57:12):
that she is a girl. You know, then she still
goes back into the dude voice and like that great
line like you all have a nice prom Oh it's
nine p fifteen. I really gotta go. Like she's still
trying to, you know, like do the act, which is
just but.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
I just want to I want to pinpoint again, just
on a serious note, that I do think whether you
feel the same way or not, like you know, when
you're growing up closeted and you do have straight friends
that you do have crushes on and you fall in
love with and nothing you know, on requited love, I
mean I feel like that's I was like, I felt
like what Terry was, what was happening with Terry is

(57:51):
what I felt like what happened with me, obviously without
the happier ending or whatever. But you know, a guy
like Rick can sometimes be rare, especially in high school.
So oh yeah, you know you have a straight guy
being nice to you.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
You're just like, oh yeah, I mean so funny, yeah,
Like it really is an allegory for queer people. And
it's funny how creep people like I guess because we
are scared of straight people, because there are those straight bullies.
So you know, any straight person is a little risky.
So that Yeah, when there is that nice straight guy,
yeah who is who just so happens to also be

(58:26):
cute or in perfect shape or whatever. You know, it's like,
no wonder we fall for them because it's like, oh,
you're not gonna hurt me or make fun of me,
you know.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
So, I mean and Joyce and Lisa, it's not past
them that, like this movie was very helpful to the community,
So I know that's a good feeling for them.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
That's amazing. And I mean also, hey, Joyce with her
short haircut, she's kind of like like a queer queen.
I mean, she rocks. She look very well, you know,
like I know, obviously she's playing straight. You know, cis gender,
but like she kind of embodies this look that fits
the community. Like Sowell, you know.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
What would you do give the girl of your dreams
decided to become Hey, how you doing the boy next door?

Speaker 1 (59:14):
We'll talk boy later.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
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(59:36):
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to Just One of the Guys. And before I continue
my celebratory chat with Devin, I have another friend and
fellow podcaster who loves this great movie too. Here's Ralph
from the Scream Society podcast.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
With his thoughts what is going on, girls, gools, gays
and days. My name is ELpH, host of the Scream Society,
the world's most chaotic, spooky, pop culture and true crime
variety podcast from Hell. I was summoned to drop in
and share my two cents on an iconic film, Just
One of the Guys. This movie, to me is peak

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eighties teen movie goodness. As a child of the nineties,
I caught this one a lot on HBO and Gosh, HBO.
The nineties just hits differently, doesn't it. And with an
iconic plot about a girl who goes undercover as a
guy to prove she's just as good a writer is
always a storyline. I'm down for gender bending comedy teen

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angst and just the right amount of chaos and edge
of your seat? Is she gonna get caught?

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Anxiety?

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
This film is just so good. Now, some of the
jokes and themes didn't age all that well. It is
an eighties movie, but surprisingly it does hit some real
notes about sexism and gender norms that I appreciate. And
let's not forget the unexpected crushes. I had it bad
for Rick, total soft boy energy, but also Terry as

(01:01:06):
a guy and as herself. Six year old of me
was sitting there like, wait, why am I into everyone
in this movie? But that's honestly why I love this
movie even more now as an adult. Yeah, it's cheesy, Yeah,
some will say it's dated, but it brings back this
wild mix of nostalgia and honestly low key self discovery

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and I will forever be here for it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Now, the question is what's going on? Wait?

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
He gets better?

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
Can a girl tell the boy she loves?

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Terry's such a stallion?

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
Go on, show me, Harry Chess, She's not the man
he thinks she is. Wait, manut are those.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
What I think they are?

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Where do you get off having tits that flash? Tcene?
Like you said, it's not gratuitous. And I think Joyce
said there was a no nudity clause in her contract.
Oh oh, and Lisa, I don't want to say sugarcoat.
She wasn't like being forceful, but I think she was like,
we as an audience, we almost have to in that
moment be Rick and there has to be something so

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big that makes him just go, oh okay, like yeah,
you are telling the truth, because without that, you know, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Not like she's wearing a white you know where, like
you could reveal long hair, which you know, like that
it really does have to be a physical thing. I
forget exactly, it's been a while since I've seen like
she's the man. I forget how she reveals to Channing
Tatum that she's a you know, a girl viola or whatever.
But yeah, like and especially since this is kind of
it's a sex comedy in a way, especially because of

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her brother, right, all the all the dialogue that it's like, yeah,
the best way to do it, the boldest move and
the most honest and raw is to literally bear all right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
And I'm like, I mean, igat not to sound like
a proved but even at my age now, like there's
still times when I'm watching shows or you don't need this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Yeah, I'm glad you think that's too, because but it's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Really interesting that in this moment, it just it, I
don't know, maybe it felt like beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Like you don't know, because it's not sexy in any way,
and it's not supposed.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
It's funny because on our last episode we talked about
how nineteen eighty four was the catalyst for the ratings. Yeah,
Lisa said that showing the boobs got her at PG thirteen,
and I think we had said, it's interesting whether that
like I don't know, you know, let's do a deep
dive onto what PG thirteen movies besides Titanic. Titanic is

(01:03:42):
like a record point because it's like, it's not a
sexual in nature scene. Maybe showing a woman's breast is
PG thirteen approved by the NPAA because it's it's done
tastefully or just not again, not in a simulated.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Yeah, not gratuitous, not sex, not you know, vulgar. It's
you're right, that's an interesting comparison with Titanic. Yeah, because
it's just a beautiful moment of like just kind of
being your most truest physical self. Right, Yeah, but wow, I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Mean that she's burying her soul in that moment.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Absolutely, She's like, I got to talk to you, right, So,
like she's being honest. He's not getting it. What else
do you do in a situation? Right, she's in love
and she's getting more than right, and she knows he's
losing him. She's losing makes even more to oh I think, so,
I mean, how how brave to just be like you know,

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and and also how brave to come.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Like where where it's like we're hiding in those bushes
with them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Yeah, she's coming out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
It's what it's this movie. I mean, this scene takes
the movie to where it is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
This this moment, that shot makes it a classic, and
not in a like ooh you see your boobs like no,
like in a wow like you know and like you
want to applaud like yeah, do it show him? And
like you know, so, but I totally understand, you know,
he's so shocked and taken aback and angry. I mean
it makes sense, you know, because they were getting really close.

(01:05:12):
He even says, I do love how he says, Listen,
I'm not going to go to a problem with Deborah.
If you don't go. It's so sweet and again, like
platonic love. Many guys, many young high school guys, would
never say something like that, at least when when I
was growing up, you know. So, yeah, it's a it's
a really special movie. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
I'm just getting emotional because I'm like, God, before Terry
Rick had nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah, he really.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
I think he's like, I have no friends, like you
know what I mean. So it's twisted because you're like,
he Terry gives him so much, but it's also really hurtful.
So that's why the ending is so we get our kiss,
but not in the earned way, and I do love
The ending is maybe a little lack luster, but it's
very simple. When he's at the car, I screamed, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
What a brilliant Oh my god, Devin. Okay, so let's
explain it right. So it's a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
It's very quick that we get to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
The Yes, it does happen, you know, we we have
everything has fallen apart, all is lost, right. Guys are
like coming up to her, which is funny because her
her ex, Kevin, thinks she looks hideous with the short hair.
But meanwhile everyone's like, you're hot, like you know, blah
blah blah. And then so that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Kind of reminded me of a Amanda Beckett in a way.
I've been single for fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Oh my god, Oh god, I love Ken hardly wait
so much. Yes, you're right, but so so some time
has passed. You know, she's not ready to date. She's
still grieving. She even tells Denise like maybe in a
few years, right, And then.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
So I'm sorry, just like do we even know how
much time did pass? Because again, like just cracking up
reading the letter about your view, someone was like her
school didn't wonder where she was, like you're round. It's
almost you'd almost think if they had more time, it
should have been like a misdoubt fire thing where yes,
she was going back and forth.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Oh my god, yes, back and forth.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Well, you know, at the very least, you would have
thought her real school would have called the house and
maybe she would have had to put on like her
parents' voice or something, or her brother wouldn't have to
be like, oh, she's just really like, it's funny, we're
missing that kind.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Of then, like the good part of my OCD that
I like, who can rationalize things. Was like, you know,
it was so close to the end of the year.
I remember that, like, you don't really have to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Show from right, you're checked out, you're a senior. You're right.
It's now like prom so like yeah, you're so right.
It's like may right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Then, why wasn't the news school like uh, you just
need a yeah. But again, that's the simpler time. There
were less movies around for us to compare.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yeah. Yeah, And ultimately it's it's you know, your brain
is supposed to be off right, you're not supposed to
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
But yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
So then her brother's driving the con and she now
is interning. I believe at the newspaper she did because
she wrote an article about which I kind of I
needed a little bit more time with this article. I know,
we see her typing it, but then all of a sudden,
we just hear from characters like I read your article.
It was really good. I read your article. I'm like, oh, okay.

(01:08:17):
I kind of wanted maybe her brother or Denise or
someone to be reading it out loud or you know what.
I feel like we kind of that was a big
thing that she wanted, right, is to be a writer,
to be a reporter. So here she is actually doing
professionally what she's doing, and we didn't really spend much
time on it at all, you know what I mean.
So that's something I would change. But anyway, so.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Lisa said that they were the budget, like the schedule,
like they came in it was time or she finished.
So yeah, I mean again, like I don't like that.
I keep bringing that up, but you know, it almost
ties into what I said about my writing class that
sometimes it's like you you have to just keep it,
keep it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Tight, keep it tight, right, And I'm sure the studio
is probably like it's a teen movie, like we wanted this,
we wanted out this day, we wanted this long for
this amount of money. You know, she's confused.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
Of course, you're confused. You're wearing my underwear.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Yeah, that shot you were talking about where she and
her brother are talking, the camera moves over to janden right, yes,
pans over here to the right, and then when when
she's going to the car, we follow her pans left
and he's there. It really is like, oh, you know,
like God, he's got such like you're right, James Dean,

(01:09:36):
like swagger, he's got this vibe and he's just there
and he misses her and he read the article about himself,
right she wrote about him. Oh it is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
So it's just a beautiful like maybe we can try this,
maybe we can get over you know. It doesn't it doesn't,
it doesn't give us that, but it's enough, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's not. They were smart to not
make it too sappy. It's not this big sweeping thing.
It's a very realistic, kind of going back to Tutsie
in a way, which is actually really with and yeah,
they're just sort of like, you know, especially with Tutsi,
they're kind of yeah, we don't even know really like

(01:10:15):
it's not like they're holding hands here, they're a little
you know, they're more together, but very similar in that
it's like, well, let's try it. Let's kind of start
over high and let's kind of ride off or walk off,
and yeah, you know, it's cute. It's a I really
love this movie. I love I love that you love
it too, because I remember you were like, oh my god,
just one of the guys. I was like, hey, I
want to be guest, and you were like, this is

(01:10:37):
the last movie I thought I'd be your guest on,
but I'm like, this is perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Yeah, I think it was. I think I said I was.
Most times I'm coming on about movies that I'm like obsessed.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
With, Yeah, yeah, yeah, or whatever, and not.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
That I'm not passionate about this film, but it was like,
I'm almost glad I was able to dive deeper into
it because I don't, you know, I don't have that
much with it. But but yes, and then another Letterbox
review said, was Buddy kidnapped at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Oh my god, yeah, by that by that female biker.
Oh my god. He's so funny. He will literally go
for any decent looking woman that's alive. Right, It's amazing. Yeah,
hopefully he made it alive. That's so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
So there's no special features, but it is on Blu Ray,
which is oh it's Blu Ray.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Yeah, wow, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Blue Anniversary Lisa said that I don't know if it
was I think it was Sony. She was trying to
get them all to do a commentary, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Oh, listen, Oh, that would be so great to listen to.
I'd love to hear some real you know, behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Do you hear that? James Brown was actually on set
teaching Clayton like how to dance like him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
That's so interesting because I noticed because I love to
especially for the pot I like him to do a
cameo in the movie. Yeah, why is he not in
the movie? That's really weird because in the special things
it does say it lists James Brown.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
I thought that was interesting because he got credit with
us with his songs. I think maybe they had to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Ask for clearance to even like maybe I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
To mention, but maybe maybe pictures of him on the walls,
you know. But interesting, so he was there. Wow, I
did not know that that is especially for this movie. Again,
it's a great movie, but it's so kind of scrappy.
James Brown went to this set. That's really interesting. I
didn't know. Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
They said that they did want to try to pitch
a sequel, and you know, I again, as much as
I love it, I don't know, like, yeah, it's it's
cult cult, like, oh, I don't think. I think. I
don't know if there would be I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
What would the sequel even, I mean what is there
to Would it followed Terry again, or would it would
now Rick like or or the brother or maybe it's Buddy, like,
how do you I mean, yeah, it's such a contained
story that I mean, it's risky to try to expand
on this world, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
And I have a quote here. I don't know, I
don't know if it was Lisa or what, but whatever
it is, I must have liked it. It says the film
actually operates on so many different levels and deals with
so many teenage issues, from homophobia to the pressure that
is put on kids to confirm conform to a certain ideal,
that it always surprised me that at the time of

(01:13:26):
its release it was not really judged for the sum
of all its parts. And I think that's what again
it I don't like to get too serious, but we
look at where we are now in the state of
the world, and how I watched this movie. We didn't
even mention it. Victor Victoria fucking eighty two, which is
another movie like this, this this glump of years.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Yes, Victure Victoria.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
It's like, oh my god, what's who's the actor.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
In that movie? Andrews? But then the man, oh god,
who is it? Hold on? I know it, I know
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
The way that Garner Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, from the notebook. Yeah, yeah,
I mean the way he looks at her slash hand.
I mean like yeah, and and and some of the
ways that Victor defended himself. Again, it's like, yeah, this movie,
like she's saying, didn't have any backlash or or weird things,

(01:14:22):
and and yeah, It's like there are sometimes it's like
we look at old movies and we say, oh, we've
gotten better. But then sometimes I look at old movies
and I'm like, it seems like at some point around then,
people were there were I mean, there's always going to
be people that are, you know, accepting.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
And I want because it seems like a lot of
young men nowadays are like getting really twisted, like teen men,
young adult men that like I feel like this needs
to be like required viewing, you know what I mean,
Like we need we need boys to like see this
because there's even some good lines, you know, like what
we were saying earlier. You know, she needs to do

(01:14:59):
this in order to be taken seriously by men because
she's pretty, she's cute. She should just be a model,
Like you don't, you know, you don't need to do more.
You shouldn't do more, right, And I feel like some
of that's creeping back into conversations now because of where
we are.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Which is next time I'm in Maryland, I'll go to
d C, watch to the White House.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
I'll have.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Yeah, and if we all just watched just one of
the guys, the nineteen eighty five, Yes, great, Joyeizer, I
think the world would be a better place.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Eh huh, I agree. I think you totally should. I'm
right there with you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
You got balls? Now use it? Say baby, what's happening?
I'm a lean mean sex machine, and that beat away, Yeah,
what's happening.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
I'm a name mean sex machine, and that be the
way tease.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
The original title apparently you probably saw this too. The
working title was I Was a teenage Boy, which to me,
which is fun, it makes sense, But to me that
almost feels like an even smaller movie, you know what
I mean, I was a teenage point. I love this title,
maybe also because I think the poster is so great
with just one of the guys in the locker room
with the balls or what is it the helmets. I

(01:16:15):
think it's helmets, right, I think that's the post. Yeah, yeah,
you know, it's just so cute and the title and
the image just goes so perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Oh, there's a movie from nineteen eighty six called I
Was a Teenage Boy. Oh, also called something Special, also
called Willy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Milly, Willy Milly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
My friend got me the movie poster. I don't know
where he was. It's some kind of flea market or something,
and that's really It had a nineteen eighty seven limited,
Theedral release and the VHS. I don't I've never seen it.
But that's really weird. So if someone must have ended up,
maybe someone had already took that title.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Oh maybe, Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
I'm looking when you said that, I have a movie
poster that says I was. But it's oh, how funny
that I don't think has ever been anywhere but beages.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
I'm googling the movie and like, you can't even really
find many pictures about it. Oh yeah, Willie Millie, that's
what it's called on Maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
These were competing with the same idea. It's this fourteen
year old girl who has grown frustrated with her mother's
attempts to curl tail her tom boyish nature.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Wow, we'll see. We're learning all sorts of things. Yeah,
I mean, I just I think just one of the guys.
What what a great title, what a great change. It
sounds so good, So I, uh, hey, it's such a fad.
We're yeah, we're just one of the guys, right exactly.
So I'm so glad you're here. Any last thoughts you
wanted to share, Devin about this great movie.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
No, I'm just very thankful for it. I'm very thankful that,
you know, like you said, little ten eleven year old
us just sitting on the couch home alone, you know,
and and the sum upon it and identifying with it,
and and yeah, and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
It's such a this is a sub genre I will
always watch. I will always watch someone in drag or
someone you know in some sort of disguise, yea, And
it gets.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
The steaks are it's just more fun because yeah, you
don't want them to get caught in its yep.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
And they learn more about themselves, people around them learn
more about you know, usually queerness or or something, you know,
the other, the other gender, the other something. Right, So yeah,
I just love it. So thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
I don't want to I guess this is a spoiler,
but the season three finale of Younger is when Hillary
Doff's character finally finds out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Wow, it stretches out that long.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Yeah, I mean to do such a great because I
mean she thinks that she's her peer, like late twenties,
and it reminds me of the Rick scene because it's
and it's and it's so great.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
I wonder if they were.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
I'm sure again, it's just it's it is that that
that genre.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Yeah, yeah, that like devastation. You know, it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
You have to have this, you have to. It's like
they still love this person, but they're also like are
you a fucking psycho?

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Yeah? Like how dare you? And like you know, yeah, yeah, totally.
But it's so funny that we've been talking about younger
because this is so silly. But the show I cast,
I think I still cast. It's not back yet, but
I've been doing it for years. What would you do?
We had Sutton Foster on as like a special guest
for a younger scenario. It was a few years ago.
It's pre pandemic. I think when the show was still on,

(01:19:27):
maybe it had just ended where it was like basically
older woman trying to get a job as like a
bartender and younger boss. Was like it was like an
ageism thing ultimately, but we tried to tie it into
younger and I wasn't on set that day, but apparently
something was amazing and so cute.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
So thank you for bringing light. I'm going I say
that for bringing light to this movie because I don't
think it gets enough credit. Yeah, I still hope people
can discover it and like it, and I think it
does hold up well. So yeah, I mean, our podcast
is so amazing, You're thank you. Instagram is so great.
I love and because you do you know TV songs?

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Yeah, oh totally, yeah, I try to do.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
And then that's what even got me to sit here
with you, because you're like final destination American Psycho.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Yeah, the guys.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
I don't leave the guys, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
But that's that's why sometimes I know it's it probably
would be smarter for me to have this show be
like a little bit more niche like we'll stay in
the horror lane, stay and whatever, but I just can't.
And I love all these different movies and uh yeah,
and if anything, American Psycho and just one of the
guys actually end up being sort of an interesting double
feature in masculinity in how these men treat women and

(01:20:40):
talk about them, and so there's actually a lot of
weird parallels, so you know, just keep that in mind
to everybody. But yeah, thank you, Devin. This was so
much fun. I love you know, going down to the
eighties with you so got me back.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
I mean, yeah, well, I mean we can discuss but
Elabyrinth would be a real oh yeah cool.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
And that's the story of how Terry Griffith went where
no girl has gone before. Thanks everybody for listening to
or watching this episode, and thank you to my friend
and fellow podcaster Devin Lotfy for such a great time
as usual. Check out Devn's podcast about the comeback called
I don't want to hear that, especially since that show's

(01:21:21):
twentieth anniversary is about to hit, like we were saying,
And thank you for your great cameo, Ralph. Check out
his show too, Everybody the Scream Society podcast. Tell your
friends about release date rewind pretty please leave a rating,
a review, a thumbs up on YouTube, and follow me
on Instagram at release date. Rewind to see more footage

(01:21:41):
from this conversation and from just one of the guys.
Thanks Strawha Media. Kyle Motsinger, Portland Media Center, and the
U Run podcast Network. On the next episode, we are
leaving high school and going off grid to get hot
in House of Wax, so that'll be another must listen

(01:22:01):
episode and I'll see you then Bye.

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