Mean Girls (20th anniversary)

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Straw Hut Media welcome students of northShore High to the release date Rewind podcast.
Thank you for listening on the strawHut Media Network or watching on YouTube.
I'm your host, Mark J.Parker, a film lover and filmmaker,
and yes, you can sit withus for this new episode about another

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memorable movie from the past. Ifyou're new here, this show celebrates milestone
anniversaries in film and girl. Thisone is big. It's super gruel and
beyond fetch and we are continuing theApril theme of comedy and girls gone Wild.
They've gone wild, The girls havegone wild. So today we're wishing

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Mean Girls a very happy twentieth anniversary. This movie always puts a smile on
my face, as it does formany people around the world, and it
instantly changed the game and became partof our vocabulary. Now, if you
need to watch or rewatch this moviebefore we can continue, it is available
to stream on Paramount Plus in theUS with a subscription. And so is

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the new movie musical that came outearlier this year, and we will be
talking about that a lot as well. Spoiler alert, so you might want
to check that out too if youhaven't on Paramount Plus. All right,
get in, losers, because thelimit does not exist and it's time to
rewind. It's a big movie thatwe are discussing today, a class.

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Sic. I cannot believe this movieis twenty years old, and I can't
believe I have such fun people tochat with about this classic movie. Everybody,
welcome back to the show. JasonA. Coombs, who was last
on, Jason, you were backin I think it was November, like
a year and a half ago forthe Bodyguard, remember that. Yes,

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welcome back movies. I know,and I remember Jason, you and Cinderella.
Yes, we did a Whitney doublefeature that night. Absolutely thank you
for that. And I wrote downin my notes when Jason said, oh,
if you ever do mean girls likeI am there, I'm like,
okay, all right, file itaway. Yes I knew, I knew

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you you would love to do this, So I'm like, let's get Jason
back. And it's not just meand Jason. Folks, if you're watching,
you see this beautiful face. Ifyou're listening, you're waiting with baited
breath to hear from Madison Eastman,actress, beauty queen Crafter. All these
things, all these things. Madison. Hello, Hello, my first podcast

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ever? No really, yeah,I'm so excited. I've never done this
before. This is so very cool. Off the list. Oh my gosh,
I am honored that I'm your firstpodcast check Mark. That is crazy.
Are you sure you're not forgetting anything? I'm sure. I've never been
invited. There's it's never been areason. And then I think when I
messaged you after I saw the MeanGirls musical on my tangent, I think

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I must have sent you like thirtymessages. You're like, oh, we
got we got to have you on. So yeah, this is the one.
Save the date April twenty twenty fourand a couple months because the movie,
right, we saw it in theatersin what was that January, right,
a couple months ago. So Iwas like, yeah, all right,
hold that thought, say no more, say that the poet, and
I said, you got it.That feels like it was just yesterday.
But here we are. I know, I know, time is crazy.

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I cannot believe guys that this movieis twenty years old. It's freaky because
I remember this time in my lifeApril two thousand and four. So well,
okay, where were we all twentyyears ago, Madison, You're very
young. Were eleven? Oh andlike not understanding sex jokes and like things
in that show were just going overmy head. Yep, exactly, I

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was eleven and I did see itin the theaters for sure. Wow wow,
Oh my gosh, Jason, howold were you twenty years ago?
I was what were you doing?Eighteen years old? I was a senior
in high school when this movie cameout. Yes, wow, Jason,
Yeah, you're like me. Iwas set newly seventeen. I just I
when I saw this in the theatersopening weekend. I didn't see it opening

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day April thirtieth. I saw itSaturday, May first, right after taking
the SATs, So like what andlike right, like what a big high
school day for me? So yeah, it was the end of junior year.
So you were, Oh my gosh, So Jason, you were You
probably knew by this point, likewhere you were going to college, right,
you probably did? Yeah? Iwas, Yeah, I was actually

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you know, so I didn't seethe movie in the movie theaters. I
don't know how. Wow, Imissed this movie. When I was like
thinking back to the I'm like,where was I in April twenty twenty four
two two thousand and fourth. Excuseme? Yeah, I think because I
was like a theater major and Iwas like doing like shows. I guess
I just totally missed this I didfreshman in college. Wow later like a

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September of two thousand and four.Oh my gosh, you missed the theatrical
run. But I mean, I'msure you said the DVD. I mean
like, I feel like I've seenthis movie so many times. I'm sure
you guys have it as well,so many repeat? Right? Wow?
Okay, Well hold the me andgirls thoughts. I want everyone to hear
what's going on in your lives.So Madison, let's go to you,

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first newbie to the podcast world,newb to release date rewind. So,
Madison, like I said, isan actress. You have mad crafty on
Instagram and TikTok Right, that's right, and I'll tell you. I'll tell
you something something more funny than coolabout my mad crafty TikTok. So,
So I have I have this Ido like di I y, but not
Martha Stewart DIY like cool. Takeyou know anybody can actually do this like

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fun stuff for adults. Mind you. So I've had my YouTube for about
five years. I said, letme go on you, let me go
on TikTok. Let me try thatout. So I'm really going for it.
I'm posting every day, and thenone day it just kind of had
a silly thought. I was like, you know what, I have like
crazy loud hiccups. So I wasat it. I was at a dog
cafe with my dog and I hadthese hiccups and I was like, let

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me just like record them. AndI don't really know why I posted them
on my mad crafty but can someonejust tell me why that my haiccup video
got more attention than any craft videoon my entire channel. Not only did
it, it's ridiculous. Not onlydid you get more attention, but I
got dms asking for like hiccup videos. I was like, no one wants
to see me paint, no one, no one wants to do crafts.
You guys just want to see mehiccup. So I just think it's a

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kind of hilarious that of course,you know, that's just like TikTok.
But I guess the algorithm, it'skind of it's kind of tough. But
yeah, crafty crafty all day,every day on YouTube. I have a
children's YouTube channel too, where Iread alouds, which is why I have
this whole get up now. Iwas recording a few children's books actually a

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few minutes ago before we started.Oh, I love that you're meant for
podcasts because you have an amazing setupright here. I mean as soon as
as soon as COVID started and voiceoverauditions were like not in person, they
said, you got to get somethinggood if you want to continue. And
I think during COVID I had morevoiceover auditions than any other kinds, like
like honestly one hundred at least onehundred in the two year span. So

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this kind of became my best friend. And now I'm so happy because when
he wrote to us about the microphone, I was like, oh my gosh,
I've got I've got the whole setup. So mm hmm ye just checking
it off the list. Love it. Oh well it looks great and so
yeah. So so YouTube TikTok thechildren's YouTube page. So how does that
work? Are you reading like stories? So? Okay about that? Okay,

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So the idea was to create analter ego of myself because I'm thinking
about you know Steve from Blues Cluesand he's forever just kind of Steve from
Blues Clues, and I wanted to, of course still audition in this world,
so I said, I need awig, I need an alter ego.
I need a costume alla like alike a Steve or a Dora the
Explore. So we're at the sameoutfit, the same wig. I'm still

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Madison, but but I think maybepeople wouldn't recognize me. Uh, And
I do read allows, I dointeractive games, some crafts, but mostly
read allows, and I post everysingle day, so I'm like crossing my
fingers at the algorithm whole pick meup. And what's interesting about YouTube is
that people do read alouds on there, but like there's some they're not all
actresses, so so like they don'thave the equipment. So I'm listening to

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them read and like the p's arebeing popped and like the annunciation is off.
But then you'll learn that to achild, that doesn't matter because those
people have astronomically more views than Ido. But I'm on the train and
we're just riding the train for that. So I'm hoping that ray for some
sort of eventually once they have thefollowing. I would like to write a
children's book. Love that. That'skind of like the next step I'm going

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for. But it's good. It'skeeping me busy with all you know,
the downtime as actresses and actors,you know, people in the business or
in general, You've got a lotof it. So you've got to put
that creativity somewhere. M h wow. Love that, Madison. And I
would love for you to write achildren's book. I'm right now producing very
on the side, a side projectwith a team of people up here in

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Maine, an indie children's TV show, So oh cool. Yeah, it's
it's it's very like I mean,I signed an NDA, so I guess
I should. I mean, oneother thing I'll say about Madison before we
move over to Jason's whole career goingon as well. He's got to fill
in on what he's doing. Madison, like we were saying, is awso

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an actress? And I've had thehonor of how many how many years do
you think you've been working on?What would you do now? Has it
been like close to ten? Yes, very close to ten. Yeah,
And I'll thank you for that becausethat you got that was all you.
I only, well, I'm prettysure and you'll know better than me,
because I used to remember these thingsand then all these faces and all these
years and I'm like, I don'treally remember anymore. But I think was

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the was your first scenario? Dowe fly you to Portland, Oregon?
My gosh, No you didn't.Oh no, oh no, I did.
We did fly we went to Arizonawhere we shot five scenarios. Was
that your first? It wasn't myfirst, but it was it was very
early on in this and that Iwas, OK. So that was like
the most exciting. I mean,to work on location is a dream I

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think for any especially on that showwhere everyone is actually kind and nice.
But my first scenario was getting engagedto an Asian boyfriend, and my parents
disproved that was the first one.Oh my gosh. So yeah, you've
done that one a couple of times. We've had you do the Did we
did a transgender? We did NativeAmerican? Native American reader that one?

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Oh my gosh. Yeah, Ithink Madison became like the girl that's getting
married to aren't happy? Yes,and so grateful for it, let me
tell you so? Oh yeah,no, no problem, at all.
Yeah, we we love madisone andyou were just on this current season that's
airing. Yes, are you inany more episodes or no? I just
they aired both my scenarios in thatone episode, which was which was kind

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of cool. I was just thatone for this I need to watch.
I loved I loved that show.I loved to right and it looks so
good now, Jason. These camerasthat the team used because this last season,
like I, I strictly was castingnothing else, thank god. And
so Amanda our friend who got ropedinto casting. That was very interesting.
So yeah, I didn't get achance this season to really cast Madison because

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they tried to, like, youknow, do some shoots without me.
And then Man is like, yeah, we really need Mark to like help
me out here. But tell usMadison, what scenarios were you just in
that just aired. I know,the infamous date rape, rufie, my
drug, sorry my drink, whichagain is always always fun, although sometimes

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like I want to say that,I really I think I prefer a little
bit to be the Regina George,which sometimes I get to be, but
this time was the victim. Andthen in the second scenario, I was
a manager of a store and wehad someone stealing. First they did a
teenager and then they did a womanover over the age of sixty. I

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would say, kind of see thedifference, which was another Sometimes they're really
light hearted, sometimes they're super serious. Those two were like, you know,
the shopping one was kind of funny. There was a lot of fun
films there. Yeah, and Marythat was that's absolutely right, the sweetest,
wonderful woman. I hope to beback as long as the show runs.

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Yeah, just such a good timein John is like the most wonderful
man. And I hate when peoplethink the show is fake because it's so
not fake, and people really reallythink so. The amount of conversations I've
had with sometimes strangers, I'm like, no, no, it's one hundred
percent real. I know, especiallywith me saying yeah, I cast that
show. Then so many people arelike, oh, so I knew it.
All those people are fake. I'mlike, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, justlike the three people that are like
doing the bad thing or whatever,right, everyone else I don't. I
don't know them at all. Butthen I have to really explain, like
I've lost them, I've lost sonow I'm gonna finally move over to Jason.
Hello, mister Jason, So jumbojombo, you you are also an
actor, You're a filmmaker. Youknow, any listeners that remember from last

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time, Jason also has a podcasthe's gonna tell us about in a second.
He's got a film festival. Youdo a million things as well,
tell us like, where where areyou at with everything? How's everything going?
What do you want to promote?What are you working on? I'm
trying to not to get any moregray hairs and all these like all these
things I'm doing is keeping out allover the place. No, but yeah,

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I've been just hustling. You know. We have a podcast I do
with my amazing co host, SamanthaSaid Solo called Survival Jobs, a podcasts
fore coo interview artists. Yeah,we interview artists that we admire about their
artistic journeys from working in gigwork orbaby center whatever they were doing, to
like getting on Broadway or you know, directing a movie or writing a screenplay

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that gets sold to Netflix. Wehad a bunch of really amazing guests on
the past. This past season wereseason three right now, you guys are
doing really well and I loved Jesuspictures of video that you posted, like
because because your podcast is with BroadwayWorld, right, Yeah, yeah,
guys had like a like a party. Was it a premiere party or something?
But it was like, oh mygod, that's so exciting. Yeah,

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we had like a season three premierelaunch. Yeah, I wish I
knew Madison out in by any jigglesin years? Do I have the survival
survival gigs up the wazoo? Yeahyeah right, being an actor you kind
of have to. Yeah. Soyeah, we had a really good time
with that and move on season twowith actually Jonathan Bennett Aaron Samuels. Wow,

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oh girl, I didn't I needto listen. Oh my god,
I'm behind. I'm so behind.What's he great? Good? He was
so great. He actually did likea quote from the movie for us.
It's a it's a really fun episode. He's a really wasn't he just?
He was just on Broadway and spama lot. Yeah, cool Broadway debuts
spam a lot. Yeah, Sothat's that's. Yeah. I just seem

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getting ready for the Brideport Film Festhappening this September coming up, And yeah,
I just did a reshoots on anindependent film I did in December twenty
twenty two, but we had reshootslast week. So okay, that's coming
out this year. And that mighthave been the movie you were telling me
about that you were working on.Yeah, how funny. Wow, okay

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you're in that? You didn't,right? Yeah? Yeah, someone cast
me and yeah we had a reallygood time. And it's my first like
lead role in a feature film.So that's been pretty cool and that's amazing.
Thank you. Yeah, we're gonnasee what happens. But having a
good time. But yeah, Jason, how many years have you been running
the Bridgeport Film Festival? Now?It's our fourth year. September will have

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fourth year. It's crazy. Ifeel like it's it's just started. But
it's been. Yeah, we're beenpretty consistent. That's awesome for years.
So and we're doing like meetups,and we're doing like networking events, and
we're doing pop up screenings. We'rejust really trying to make a really inclusive
community and bring more art and cultureto my hometown of Bridgeport, Connecticut.
So yeah, that's great. Ohmy god, so exciting. I love
hearing all the good stuff with yourpodcast Survival Jobs. Can you do you

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want to tease you know, anyupcoming guests later in April May or do
you want to keep us You feelfree to plug if you want. We
have a really like, really funseason. We have somebody from The Notebook
coming on cool This in a coupleof weeks, and we have an actress
from selfs So from the new Broadwaymusical. Yeah. Yeah, so it's

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really fun. We're talking to people, we're making those connections. That's great.
Yeah. So we're also on BroadayPodcast Network, which I should shout
out as well, and they've beensuper supportive of helping us get guests as
well. So like we do alittle bit outrage, we slide into those
dms, you know, we geta shot. But also like they have
a really cool connection to the communityis of course, so they're always like,
hey, we have this guest,so you're interested, and we're like,

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yes, we will talk to almostanyone because we love inspiration. We
love people telling their stories and weget inspired by that because Samantha and I
are both creatives ourselves, as youknow, so we love a good inspiring
story and we just want to bewhere these folks are one day. So
we're gonna keep pushing and keep learningand keep listening. That's great. Oh
my god, love it. SetWait so I didn't know what. Oh

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yeah, it's a great show.And I feel like what you just said
there Jason is like, I'll justI can clip that and send it to
you. And that's a great littlelike ad for your show or something the
way you just describe it. Sothere you go. Right, yeah,
definitely check out both of these greatcreators stuff everybody, and I'll i'll link
things and all that as well.Will be right back. I'm sixteenth.

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Until today, I was homeschooled,and then it was goodbye Africa and hello
high school. All right, Well, enough of today, everybody, enough
of twenty twenty four. We're rewinding. We are going back to when Madison
was a little eleven year old.Oh my god, we are rewinding everybody
back to April thirtieth, two thousandand four. Oh my gosh. Spring

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is in the air and was inthe air. I don't know about you
guys, but today, the lastcouple of days here in southern Maine,
it's been so nice, feeling thesun, feeling that winter is slowly going
away. So I'm sure New York, Connecticut, right, thank god right,
we have gotten through winter. Andthat's how I was feeling twenty years
ago when this movie came out,you know, basically May first, and
like as a teen or a kid, like, oh my god, school's

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almost over, thank god. Right, and so incomes Mean Girls. So
everybody, I'm just gonna set thescene for you both, and I want
to hear your thoughts. I'm gonnajust, you know, list a few
things of what was popular at thistime to jog our memories. Okay,
here we go. On the newsside, I thought this was so funny.
Earlier in April two thousand and four, Google had just introduced Gmail.

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Well, like I was like,wow, twenty years ago, because I
didn't get Gmail until I was usingmy aol for a while. Yeah,
so Gmail maybe closer to like twentyI don't know, two thousand and eight
and nine. I don't even know, so I was a little late to
the Gmail game, but they hadjust unveiled that whole part of their business.

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On the music side, Usher waslike King, it's yeah right exactly,
Jason, Yes, and it's asong I don't love. I've talked
about it on the show I Don'tLove. Yeah, Yeah, yeah,
it's just even back then, Iwas like, oh my god, Okay,
this song is so repetitive. Butyeah, by Usher with Ludacrous and
Little John, it was still numberone. It was number one on the

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charts for like two solid months.Like I just feel like that doesn't happen,
right, But but he he hadthat, and then he also had
Burn, Let It Burn that wasin the top five, right, So
he had big songs. Beyonce's NaughtyGirl remember not girls that cover them exactly?

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Yes, that was such a sexysong that was in the top five.
This Love from Maroon five, ThisLove, I feel like was that
like this? Oh no, maybethat wasn't their first song, but it
was like a big early song forthem. Yeah, that was that was
in the top ten. What elsedo I have? Right? I just
feel like, like again because Iremember this time so well in my life,

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Like these were songs on I probablygreen iPod because this was the time
when all the iPods were right,Oh my gosh, did you know that
Usher was in that Beyonce video?Oh yeah, I either didn't know,
I had, I probably knew,and I just totally forgot. Yeah,
Usher was everywhere you couldn't oh mygod, and it's amazing that. Then

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twenty years later, now he's youknow, he just did the Super Bowl,
so he's not going anywhere. He'shugging Keys right there. And speaking
of Alicia Keys, she was alsoin the top ten. If I ain't
got you remember that song right thenA couple more, just because I gotta
keep shouting out this like soundtrack oftwo thousand and four Toxic by Britney Spears,
I mean truly yeah, two thousandand four. I think that was

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on her album that came out inthe end, Free in the Zone.
I think, yeah, that wasmy song. Oh my gosh, I
love that so much. I lovethat so much. And that was also
speaking of dancing, that was ourgo to dance song. Okay, you
guys are gonna laugh at me.But back in two thousand and four,
when I was a junior in highschool, a group of us theater kids

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from school that were juniors and seniorsand a few sophomores, we had a
like an after it was it wasalso a state of mind, but sometimes
it would actually be at people's housescalled clubs cilantro and so usually after like
a show ended, or it's justlike Friday or Saturday night and it's like
nine pm, and it's like,let's go to Club Cilantro. So usually

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we'd be at someone's house, butsometimes it would just be like in the
parking lot of Starbucks in our townand we would just have dance parties.
And Toxic usually often got the partystarted. So yeah, and it always
and it always will, I meanit always like, I mean, how
how do you not get excited?Right? Exactly? So Toxic was in

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the top twenty. What else mayImmortal by Evanescence the very like, very
somber. Oh my god, that'sa slow one. I forget how it
goes. But no, Immortal waslike it was like piano, Oh yeah
it was. Yes, it waswhen you cry, I wipe, I

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wipe all of your tears exactly.Yes. Yeah, she starts kind of
like, you know, belting itout and everything. Yes, exactly.
So Evanescence was having their like balladsong and then The Way You Move,
I Like the Way You Move byOutcast That was number twenty of the top
twenty when this movie came out.So I just wanted to really, you

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know, give everyone the soundtrack toApril two thousand and four. Now it's
right, I hope, so we'regetting nostalgic. So let's go back right.
But now a song and an albumthat was nowhere in the top twenty
at this time. But I justwant to shout out an album that I
was obsessed with. I made thisvideo of friends and everybody at school for

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our like film festival at the endof the year, and it was quite
popular. I mean, you know, I'm counda just like, you know,
give myself on the back. ButModest Mouse, do you guys remember
the song float On and We'll allfloat on? Like that had just come
out and I not here, Iam, I'm seventeen. I think I'm
like cool and I'm like, yeah, Modest Mouse, like I'm a little

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edgy, Like they're like rock andquirky and sun. So I just had
to give them a shout out becausethat album, I think it was called
Good News for people who love BadNews. But made a few songs,
made a few videos of this.It was a great, great album.
Yeah, So if you really wantto go back in time, Modest Mouse,
that album float On, It wasjust so good. So that's it
on the on the music side,let me wrap this up with TV and

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movies because TV was big. Everyonein a week actually, I think a
little less than a week after this, on May sixth, Friends was about
to air their series finale, whichwas huge. Do you guys remember that
time, right, that was abig deal. We made T shirts.
We went over to my friend's house, we made T shirts. We had
popcorn like it was a it wasan event. Yeah, Madison, you

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remember that all you were young,I was. I remember I recently binge
watched Friends and because back then therewas no DVR, so there's episodes that
everyone remembers, and then there's episodesthat I watched I had never seen before.
And because you know, you hadthe TV guide, So unless you
were you were home on Friday night. I think it aired on Friday nights,
Thursday Thursday. If you weren't home, you missed an episode. So

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I'm seeing kind of fresh fresh things. Uh so I don't. I was
probably honestly Thursday nights. I thinkI had hip hop on Thursday night,
so of course I probably watched itlater on. Yeah, you recorded it
on like a VHS. Yeh actuallythough, right, oh yeah for real?
Are you kidding? Yeah? AndJason do you remember, like,
did you watch the finale live?Do you remember that? We all watched

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it and we talked about the nextday all day long, and then my
friend Lacey it was like a DVDof just a episode. They came out
a couple of weeks later. Doyou remember that it was just an episode?
Yeah, oh my gosh. AndI remember the It was them all
looking very like sleek and they wereall it was like it was like the
final one. So yeah, Jasonwas like a couple of weeks later,
you watched it was a group.It's yeah. That was my senior year

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of high school. What a timefor that to end, and for high
school to end? Whoa? Youwere like, that's a big time.
And I remember two thousand and four, I think is when Facebook started,
so that was like brand new aboutto be out. So like, yeah,
what an interesting time. What wasI gonna say about? Uh oh
yeah, friends? It's funny becauseFriends ended this time and then Sex and

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the City had come to an endjust a couple months prior, and they
both I remember like thinking, thisis like the year of like the girl
needs to decide is she gonna goto Paris or stay in America? Because
both both yeah, both very bigseries. Yeah, had that whole like
is are they going? Are theygonna live there? They gonna stay there
or not. So it's funny howParis was like it was either like the

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US or Paris, nothing else,nothing else for blonde white women. It's
those two so right, exactly exactly. So, So that was TV that
was about to have a big momentwith The Friends finale and then other popular
movies at this time. So,like I said, this came out end
of April. Other April movies werethirteen going on thirty, iconic right for

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Garner, Mark Ruffalo, Judy Greer, Like I almost talked about that on
this show, but I was like, I can't do it all. So
maybe in five years for its twentyfifth Yeah, oh yeah, maybe we'll
all come back for that. Butlove thirteen going on thirty, so much
fun, Man on Fire with DenzelWashington, and I think Coda Fanning?
Am I right? Yeah, alittle Dakota Fanning? Kill Bill Volume two.

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I was obsessed with the kill Billmovies. Oh my gosh, Mark,
I need to stop you there fora second. Tell me I'm going
to Japan and in this weekend Imade a reservation at the restaurant. It's
an Isekaia where they filmed Kill Bill, and I am yeah, I'm so
excited. I'll send you pictures.Oh my god. Yeah, at the
location, at the location restaurant thatit's probably very recognizable. Probably is it

(27:06):
with like Lucy Lou and all thefighters and everything that one. Yeah,
Oh, Madison, that's awesome.Yes, anyway, I love that.
Oh I love that. Yeah.No, that's a great tangent. Those
tangents are more than welcome. I'mso happy for you. That's awesome.
And Scooby Doo two, which wasanother big deal though I think by this
time I was sort of over that. But smg, we love our Sara
Michelle Gellar right, so very funmovies at this time. So there we

(27:32):
have it. That is a little, you know, trip down memory lane.
Now I'm gonna throw it over toYouTube for a second. It's always
fun when I have two guests becauseit's a little bit of teamwork. So
in your own words, guys,let's have it. Let's have Madison start
and then Jason you can finish.Okay, So Madison and Jason in your
own words, doesn't need to belong. But for anyone out there who

(27:52):
I'm worried about and has not seenme, and girls, if you haven't,
please get help, please like blinkyour eyes, but please give us
a sign. But anyone out therewho just needs a refresher, you know
what is mean girls about. Sowe'll start with Madison and then halfway through
throw it over to Jason and hecan take us home. Okay, I
think everyone that has been to middleschool or high school there is a mean

(28:15):
girl clique. Sometimes. Actually,unless you went to theater school like I
did, and there was not amean girl click, we were all just
kind of like theater nerds. Soin a pretty standard high school there is
a click of mean girls. Andthis movie is about said click welcoming a
out of country or I was gonnasay out of towner. Katie is from

(28:37):
Africa, South Africa, and shecomes and she is experiencing high school for
the first time because she was homeschooledher entire life, and she kind of,
I guess, I would say,get swallowed into this high school hole
of meanness and hotness and fashion andmakeup and drama. Uh, that is

(29:04):
just so juicy and fun to watch. You know, these it's different when
you when you experience mean girls inreal life, it's like not fun.
This is fun. This is funand it also comes with like, you
know, learning lessons and Tina Feywrote and it's hilarious. So anyway,
so you're on Katie's journey basically throughout, and Katie befriends these three mean girls,

(29:30):
and I guess not to spoil it, but I mean everyone has seen
the movie. Oh yeah, wecan spoil. Yeah, midway, there's
some boyfriend action, there's Santa Clausoutfits, there's Candy canes. I don't
know, Jason, you might doa better analysis than me. Yeah,
that's a perfect Well, I guessI was just feeling that Katie kind of

(29:53):
falls in love with Regina's boyfriend,and Regina, who's like the queen Bee
of the mean Girls, doesn't reallytreat her boyfriend. Well, Katie,
that's her first crushes hat and shewas like five years old, and she
teams up with kind of the outcastsof the school, right Damien and oh
my god, janis Ian who havebeen victimized much like the rest of the

(30:17):
school, by Regina George, andthey had a plan to get back at
Regina and to take her down frombeing the queen bee. Yep, yes,
yeah. And then I guess Katiebecomes the queen Bee of the school.
She becomes what she had no clueof what she wanted to become,
and she kind of enjoys being thatrole, taking down Regina and taking over

(30:38):
that role. And then she hasher come to Jesus moment where she's brought
back to reality by her mother,her parents, by her outcast friends,
and of course Tina Fey's character missusNorberry also brings her back down to life
as well. Well said, ohI love that teamwork. Yes A plus

(30:59):
on that mean girls, Madison,I am Katie, I'm jess Is Damian
through. This map shows the school'scentral nervous system of the cafeteria. You
got your cool Asians purnounce jocks,the greatest people you will ever meet and
the worst. So you've never beento a real school before. Shut up,
shut up, and sane. Heevery time I rewatch, I forget

(31:23):
how I feel bad for the adults. Like there's a time when I feel
bad for her parents, you know, when when she's lying and she's supposed
to go, you know, tosee late what is that Ladysmith Black Yes,
which is a real band apparently,and no clues, like three years
after I saw that movie, right, yeah, I'm like, Gina Fey

(31:44):
totally made that up. Oh no, she did it right, But yeah,
you know when she's lying and andthe party, and then and then
with miss Norberry when Tina Fay says, I'm really disappointed in you, Katie,
when like she knows that Katie's lyingand is not festing up to it,
It's like it right, I feelbad And the adults are disappointed,
you know, because they're actually prettycool, you know, but just when

(32:04):
you're a kid, you think theyall are awful. You know. Plastics,
what are the plastics? Thirteen Royalty. That's Karen Smith. But she
is one of those dumbest girls youever meet, some kind of psychic really,
It's like I have ESPN or something. The Gretchen Wiener's she has two

(32:24):
Fendy Purse's and Isliva Lexis and eviltakes a human form in Regina George.
She knows everything about everyone. That'swhy her hair is so big. It's
follow secrets. Okay, plastics.Well, before we get into our favorite,
you know, scene's favorite moments.Let me just quickly tell you where
are major players, not everyone,but where they were in their careers at
this time as they were working onthis movie. How it came to be?

(32:46):
Right, So a lot of peopleforget that this movie is based on
a book. Did you guys everread the Yeah? Did you read about
it? I didn't read it?No? Did you read it? Jason
never read it? No? No? Right, it's not really it's not
like a traditional book, right,right, it's nonfiction. It's a self
help book, right, Queen Beesand One of Bees by Rosalind Wiseman that

(33:07):
came out in two thousand and two, so just around two years before this.
The subtitle for it is I justlove it because it's so serious helping
your daughter survive clicks, gossip,boyfriends, and other realities of adolescents,
right, which, right, Iknow, I'm like, I kind of
want that to be the mean girlslike subtitle because that's like so great.

(33:28):
But yeah, so that was athing, right. It obviously caught Tina
Fey's attention, right. So TinaFey, of course, as we know,
she was on SNL for a whilewhile making this, and while it
premiered, they shot it so quicklythey shot. I read in the fall,
I think it was September to Novemberin Toronto of two thousand and three,
and then it came out in lateApril of two thousand and four,

(33:50):
So really fast turnaround, Like that'scrazy. Yeah, And it takes me
a year to like finish a short. I'm like, yikes, I guess
I got to like speed up alittle bit, so I mean, but
I mean, also I didn't haveme and girls money, right, But
so they're working on that. AndI just heard, actually I was listening
to Tina Fe on Willie Geist's podcast. I guess because she at this time
really did not like flying. Shewould do SNL. You know, she

(34:13):
would be doing the Saturday night showsand then that night get in a truck
or a van that had a bedand someone would drive her to Toronto and
she'd sleep. She'd get there bythe morning and then and then shoot and
then go back. Isn't that wild? Wild? Yeah? And she she's
funny. She says like I reallyshould have just flown because I would have
gotten there much faster, or justleft Saturday or Sunday morning. But you

(34:37):
know, but isn't that amazing whenyou just you know, when you actually
hear that and you're like really puttingyourself in her shoes, like, okay,
by everyone, great show, letme get in this van to then
direct Lindsay Lowan and friends the nextday for a few days and then come
like crazy crazy. So yeah,So season twenty nine of SNL so screenwriter
Tina Fey she loves the book nowbecause it was nonfiction, I guess obviously

(35:00):
she really had to get really clever. And I mean this script, as
you guys can agree, is soperfect, Like the words really not only
the lines, right, the lines, there's a reason we're quoting them still
twenty years later, they have totallyentered much like Clueless, but even I
think more so like right, Yeager, all ages have been quoting this for

(35:22):
twenty years, but even just thestory, just how things get more and
more twisted, how things come back, you know, like it's just amazing
what she was able to do witha nonfiction book. So apparently she did
add a lot of her own eightieshigh school experience in Pennsylvania into the mix
as well, right, And wecan feel that because it's got some good
classic teen movie stuff, But italso felt I think so modern, right,

(35:46):
like it felt when we first sawthat that was so fresh. It
did not feel corny or dated.Right. No, it still doesn't,
really still doesn't. It still doesn't. And we're going to talk about the
movie musical. But I thing Iwill say that I life about it.
I'll just say it right now,speaking of feeling fresh, I did appreciate
that the brand new movie musical didincorporate social media, cell phone, some

(36:09):
vertical video. I thought that worked. Well. Do you guys agree or
no? It didn't have been made? It was so good. Why didn't
they have to make that? AlthoughI feel like it happened and now no
one's talking about anymore, like itkind of was big. It had its
moment. And then now when anyonesays mean girls, I don't think of

(36:29):
that. I just think of themovie the original. Yeah, I watched
it. I watched it this morningand I made and I actually made the
choice. I was like, Idon't really want to watch the musical one
again. I really I didn't.I really didn't love it. Whatever,
I'm sure we'll get into it.Yeah, we'll get into it. It's
just like, how do you recreatethose characters? I know, you're watching

(36:52):
these like stars and they were andthey weren't even stars yet like they were,
they were so in their career.It was like the beginning. It
was the beginning. And to seethe kind of roles that they you know,
like after that. But just likeKaren is, how do you read?
Yes, Yes, it's amazing howthey all have become. I mean,

(37:15):
Rachel McAdams and like Lacy Shaver,who is like I think now officially
the Queen of Hollmark. Like theyall are doing all sorts of great things.
And Jonathan Bennett, you know,like yeah, yeah, it was
his first movie too. Wow,oh good story about Oh I cannot wait.
He's fun but you know it's funnylike the new guy that plays Aaron

(37:39):
Samuels in the movie Musical. Iknow he's on that show the summer I
turned Pretty and I guess he couldbe kind of cute. I don't really
see it. I just Jonathan Bennett. He was not Jonathan Bennett. I
agree, Madison. Do you turnaround when he does that first turn around
and looks at you like you stillnow? When when I watched it before,
in my heart was like oh mygod, like yes, But when

(38:00):
he did it. I was justlike, I know, I was like,
he needs like something in his hair, He's got something on his face,
like what's going on here? Right? No, Jonathan Bennett looked like
like he looked so of that time, because so many guys had that kind
of like yeah, bold cut kindof thing, like very like you know,
emo like punk bands at the time, right, But he's so like

(38:23):
his skin. It's just yes,the eyebrows, I think that's what it
is. I think like Caterpillar eyebrowswere like, oh right, can't redo
that magic. It's just not No. I agree. I know we're gonna
we're gonna compare because I want toalso hear your thoughts later on before we
wrap up about like casting wise,you know, I think everyone was better

(38:44):
in the in the original movie,but you know, your your favorite,
Regina, your favorite all that.So we'll talk about that in a minute,
but I'll just talk back about TinaFang. So. Yeah, she
was, you know, going backand forth. She brought in because she
thought the book was good. Shehad this idea. She's the one that
got Lorne Michael's involved, obviously theSNL executive, right, so they worked
very closely together. She gets Laureneinvolved. Lauren had already produced a bunch

(39:04):
of movies obviously a bunch of TV. And it's so funny because would you
guys call this an SNL movie becausethere are including Lauren Michael's there are five
SNL people in this movie, ya, Amy Poehler, Tim Meadows and on
a guest dire and then Louren Michaels. So what do you think, Madison,
would you say, is this technicallylike an SNL movie? Yeah?

(39:25):
What do you think? Would youcall it that too? I think it's
just surpassed it in a way,right, But I think at the moment
when it first came out, Iwas like, yeah, this is like
everybody mess knows in this, Butlike now I don't even like think about
that. I don't make that connectionanymore because it's just I choose life of
its own. Yeah, yeah,I agree, I know it's wild.
It's it's kind of more than justthat because we have such great SNL movies

(39:45):
Superstar Night at the Roxbury, youknow, on and on, but like
this is so much more, right, Yes, exactly, So Lauren's on,
Lauren gets paramount involved the studio,So just like that, now they
have money and now they have abudget. In director Mark Waters and his
career. You know, you mightnot know the name that well, but
whoa up until this point really strongmovies. So right before this, the

(40:08):
year before, he worked with Lindsayon Freaky Friday, the remake with her
and Jamie Lee Curtis. That wasright, and a sequel. What do
you about that? Excited? Excitedabout that? Yeah? Yeah that makes
sense. Gonna happen? Yeah,like that makes sense to me. Please
bring back Christina of the Dow toplease I hope yes, as her friend.

(40:30):
Yeah, yes, good thinking.And I remember Chad Michael Murray with
his greasy hair in that movie,but he did look good. I am
a Chad Michael Murray fan. Ihave to admit. Sorry he got me
back to name taking off the shirtone Tree Hill basketball, I mean yeah,
sign me up. Okay, wewere into it. But yeah,
So Mark Waters had directed Freaky Friday. He directed Head over Heels, not

(40:52):
as good but very memorable. FreddiePrince Junior, Monica Potter, a bunch
of models, rom com and hedirect I didn't even realize until today.
He directed the House of Yes,also with Freddie Prince Junior Parker Posey.
It's a deeper cut movie, butthose who love it love it. It's
Indy. It's a little twisted,dark comedy. I think Tory spelling different

(41:13):
good people. Yeah, so theHouse of Yes it was I believe it
was a play before the movie,So that name has definitely that title's been
around for a while. So hehad done some really cool stuff. Now
onto our actors, and I'll justkeep it at our four plastics, all
right. I could talk on andon about the everyone, but we got
things to talk about. So Lindsaylow And, like I said, just
came off Freaky Friday. Of course, she became famous with The Parent Trap,

(41:37):
which I rewatched recently, and god, it's just so much fun her
remake of that. So she waslike the Disney remake Queen for a bit
there. If you remember, rightaround this time, maybe right before there
was that Madison. You probably weretoo young to hear about this, but
maybe not. She was like sortof in like a love triangle with Aaron
Carter and Hillary u Yeah. Iwas going to say Lizzy Maguire, Hillary

(42:00):
Duff. Yeah, that was sortof like a little bit of the gossip.
I feel like that ended right beforeMean Girls came out, or maybe
it was during, but yeah,a little love affair there. I guess
he dated Hillary and then left herfor Lindsay and Hillary did like Lindsay right,
something like that. Yes, sothe Problem Girls? Is that true?

(42:23):
So maybe I heard that so interesting? I don't know what picture?
Was it a like a real girlmean situation right there? Can you imagine
she goes to the Mean Girl's premiereto like ruin Lindsay's night or was it
purposeful? Is that like a youknow all the time? Totally? You're
right, Yeah, the studio thepublicists could have been like, yeah,

(42:44):
we want to invite you and likeyou you know, get some shots.
Oh yeah, we'll have to goback and look at like red carpet photos.
Right. Rachel McAdams what an absolutequeen as Regina. She had just
done The Hot Chick, a veryfun, uh body swap movie with her,
and oh god, why can't Ithink of his name right now?

(43:05):
He's in all the Adam Sandler movies. I can't think of him name his
name, but we know who heis. He's done a bunch, but
she swapped bodies with him in TheHot Chicks. She was also currently on
She's from Canada. She was ona show called Slings and Arrows. I've
never seen it. Have you guysever checked that one out? Slings an
Air? No, I've never I'venever actually heard of that. Oh yeah,
she was on that at this timefor a few years. I think
it was set during like like ina theater and like actors in a theater,

(43:27):
so it sounds pretty cool. Soshe was doing that. Another TV
star Lacey Shabert, who I personallythink, I mean, the whole cast
is perfect. I think, likethe MVP of the movie is Lacey Shabert.
That girl is so funny. Hervoice, her look, she is
acting, she is keeping it going. She is a ball of anxiety.
You know, we sometimes forget howawesome she is in this movie as Gretchen

(43:51):
Right, I agree, kills itkills right love Caesar. So she she
had just wrapped up Party of Fivea few years prior to that. Yeah,
that was a big deal. Shewas a kid. She also,
I forgot, was on The WildThornberry. So she was doing animated.
Who was she on the Wild Thorner? Yes, and that's one of my

(44:19):
favorite favorite now I hear it.It is it's her, Yes, Rob
Schneider. Yeah, I'm like RobSchmidt something like that. Yes, good
thinking, Jason. I would lookit up on my computer, but I
don't want the Wi fi to likeget wonky because I'm I'm worried. I'm
scared, so I'm like, well, let's give over that. But no,

(44:42):
Yeah, Gretchen Wiener slash Lacey Shabert. Yes, so she was wild
Thornberry's Party of Five. I readsomewhere that she even was doing a voice
on Was It Family Guy? Butthen was replaced by she was season Yeah.
Interesting, I wonder why, Yeah, I wonder I I don't know,
I should have looked into that.But interesting because yeah, she obviously

(45:04):
was a successful voiceover actress, soI wonder why. But yeah, so
she was doing that, and likewe were just saying, Amanda Seyfred cutest
little thing movie debut. She haddone some TV, she was in some
soaps, she was a series regularin All My Children, so I think
she was the New York actress.But yeah, first movie. And it's
funny. Maybe you guys saw thistoo. Apparently Amanda Seyfred and Lindsay Lowen

(45:24):
were very close at getting Regina.They were seriously considered for being Regina first,
but I guess Lindsay Lohan and Paramountthey kind of came to this decision
like, oh, you're such alike star now with Freaky Friday, Like
people really like you, Let's nothave you play the villain because I guess
people will always view you as avillain. So, and then Amanda Seyffred

(45:49):
apparently blew Mark Waters the director awayas Regina, but I guess it was
Lourene Michaels that said, actually giveher a quote the dumb girl role.
I would have loved to see thataudio. Though, Yes, I I
wonder if it's online somewhere right.I looked, I couldn't find. I
wanted to find. I totally looked. I wanted to see auditions, but
I watched. Actually, Ashley Tisdalewas on Watch What Happens Live a few

(46:12):
nights ago and there is a clipgoing around and she talks about how her
and Blake Lively read for Karen andAshley Tisdale says that in her audition she
improvised and they, yeah, didyou see that? And apparently she kind
of like was like shading it.She's like, I improvised something and it
ended up in the movie and sheit wasn't her playing it, which I

(46:34):
was like, oh, And thenthey live course made headlines about it.
So I watched the movies today andlike thinking, oh my gosh, I
wonder what the audition scene was.I wonder what iconic line might have been
her improv And that's kind of wild. That would annoy me if that that
would piss me off, if ifthat was me. I have to tell
you, honestly, it annoys me. And it happens in casting all the
time. That's not cool. Idon't love hearing that. But wow,

(46:55):
I'm glad Ashley Tisdale told us aboutthat. Wow, I don't know how
And can you imagine? Can youimagine her in that role or bleak lively?
I mean I could totally see it. Yeah, yeah, time.
And it's funny, you know,I know, she is so good,
and you know, it's really funnybecause maybe because the marketing, the imagery,
the posters, the cover, youknow, it's the four of them,

(47:15):
right, but Karen definitely has theleast amount to do. She is
very supporting and I forget that,you know, every time I rewatch,
I'm like, oh, yeah,you know, because she had the few
lines she actually has are just killers. They're just so good and the way
she delivers them, right, I'ma mouse, duh, you know,
like just the way you know.But yeah, she doesn't really have a

(47:37):
ton to do, which is interesting. You know. The other three obviously
have way way more to do.So yeah, but what a movie debut.
Yeah, I love the casting trivia. That's some of the most fun
stuff to talk about on the show, is like who was up for what
and who did they want? Butwho did they end up getting? Right?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Butwe'll end it there with with our

(47:57):
cast because you know, we don'twant to talk about everyone, but you
know, we have amazing performances.Lizzie Kaplan and like we said, Jonathan
Bennett and yes, Jason, Iwas gonna say I read today I was
doing a little bit of research.I'm not sure how true this is.
I've never heard this before, butJames Franco was in running to be Aaron
Samuel's Okay, really interesting. Letme just think what was he doing in

(48:17):
like two thousand and four, whatwas he already Oh, he was already
in like the Spider Man mused,Yeah, interesting, Okay, I mean
he was dreaming back then before youknow, he was sort of many great
things, So I could see that. But yeah, I wouldn't change this
cast, you know. And alsoanother thing, and again you're gonna be

(48:39):
hearing this a lot from me,another thing that the movie musical. I
didn't hate it as much as Madisondid. Jason, Well, we'll hear
what you think of it, butI'm not a huge busy Phillips fan.
And I gotta tell you, AmyPoehler owns that role. She owned the
cool mom role as Regina's mom,Like there is no comparison like that,

(49:01):
Like why not just bring her back? Well? People people think that she
very much resembles Renee Rap Like peoplesay they really look like yeah, okay,
yeah, sure, I mean yeah, but I would have rather seen
Amy, right, and like howfunny would it have been, you know,

(49:21):
because Tina Fey came back, TimMeadows came back and they look amazing,
you know, And I did kindof enjoy how the movie musical is
sort of a sequel in a way, right because now they're together, you
know, and like spoilers everyone forthe musical. But you know, then
Lindsay does have a very fun cameoand she's like sort of her, like
I really wish I wish there wasmore to that, or it was not

(49:45):
seen. I think they could haveput her somewhere else. I would have
liked somewhere else. I agree,yeah, or like I thought it was
fun to have her come out aslike the mathlete toast, but like I
wanted her to be like, andwhat's your name, young lady and she
says Katie, and how cool ithad been. She was like me too
a moment or something like something whereit's like, oh, this is officially
a sequel because it's kind of hintedat with the teachers. You know,

(50:07):
now there are a couple, SoI just wanted like one more thing to
just drive it home. We're like, you know, but yeah, we
didn't get that. We want toinvite you to have lunch with us,
Regina seems sweet. Get in Listhere, We're going shopping. It's hilarious.
Number one. It's such a funny, funny movie. Like I think

(50:30):
everyone was perfectly cast. Everyone hastheir own moment of humor. The supporting
characters like I was watching today aswell, Madison and like supporting characters like
the other students who have their theirlittle like interview parts like oh, they're
so funny as well, like it'sjust a good movie and you just feel
like it's such a comfort movie forme. And like I said, I

(50:51):
don't know where I was in Apriltwenty four where I missed this in theaters,
Like I think back that, I'mlike, why did I not see
this in theaters? But I rememberwatching it for the first time in college
with like and sitting in the dormlounge with all of our like all of
our floor mates. It was likea ram at college, and I was
like, oh, I guess I'llwatch this. And I remember just watching

(51:14):
it the whole time and laughing hysterically, like crying, and also like it
was such a ride, like Ididn't know what to expect. I didn't
where the story was going. Iknow, it was like if it was
like a satire, Like it wasjust such a journey for me to watch
it, right, And I rememberjust like every day every day I would
watch that. I got the DVDwhen it came out, and I would
just like watch it every day everyday. Wow. Basically, if not

(51:36):
every day, at least three timesa week. Me and my best friend
at the time, Ashley, wewere in college together. We would watch
it like every day almost and sincethen, like it just it's almost been
one of those movies I'd always comeback to. It always bring me so
much joy and comfort. I rememberwhen I moved apartments in like twenty sixteen
and I didn't have any internet orcable for like a week, and I

(51:58):
would watch Me Girls like every day. Again. It was just like a
comfort movie between ming girls and burlesque, Like every day. Oh, I
think, Wow, it just bringsso much joy to people, and then
it's so iconic it has been.I think every year just gets stronger and
more people fall in love with it, like it's so quotable. Yeah,
beautiful. I love Wow. Ilove that you went from zero to hero.

(52:19):
You were like, yes, sure, I'll try this mean Girls movie,
and then you're like savvy every day. Wow. I love obsessed.
I was obsessed with this too,because so I saw it in the theater.
And then a few months later wewent to Vegas my family and I
great place to go with your family, but we went because my mom had
to go there for work and itwas so hot. We went in like
August it's like the worst time togo to Las Vegas. And we were

(52:42):
sweat and like, we gotta goand just let's just like rent an expensive
movie on the TV. And myfamily hadn't seen Mean Girls, and I
was like, oh, this moviewas amazing. We're gonna rent it and
you're gonna love it, right,And and then I got the DVD like
you, Jason, and once itwas out, and yeah, it's a
movie that like you needed to own, you needed to study, right.

(53:04):
It's like that warm blanket where like, you know, and I love that
we actually all watched it earlier todaybecause actually, you know, you know
how some movies they're meant to beseen at nighttime. Yes, this movie,
I actually think I prefer it inthe daytime. I realized while watching
it again. I'm like, Iactually think I've seen this mostly at home,
like on an afternoon where like thesun is shining, and like it

(53:25):
kind of just adds to that funnostalgic teens Are they people or something?
When behold right people growing up?Exactly? They could just be on while
you're cleaning, you know. Themovie. To me, it's like I
feel like it's just kind of likea little black dress that will never go
out of style, like all thatwe're going to be watching this movie in
thirty years feeling the same way.And I'm I'm, I'm, I guess

(53:49):
in the millennial bracket. I someonerecently called us like the spice Girl generation,
which I love. And I don'tthink any movie is more quotable,
Like when I say, I feellike at least once a week I hear
someone quoting mean girls, like likeon podcasts I listened to on TV shows,
just like in general, I mean, like like I'm sick, like

(54:10):
just it's just like it just itjust comes out like boo you like,
but any anytime, honestly to thepoint where I think even Taco Bell is
associated with oh my god, Iforgot about Taco Bell. Uh huh Yeah,
an iconic Karen Lyne. It's justI don't know, will never go
out of style, it will neverbe like dated for me. Yeah,
she's to me, she is theog like in a movie when I like

(54:35):
watch, when I like rita castingbreakdown, when it says mean girl,
it's Regina George for me, meangirl, that's her. That's who I'm,
That's who I'm kind of sort ofand yet yeah, that's when she's
your inspiration. Yeah, and thenthat's saying something because we've had a line
of mean girls in movies before this, and even Jawbreaker, which it's funny.

(54:58):
I talked about Jawbreaker on this showand I the filmmaker Darren Stein on
which was amazing, going back tothe d MS. You know, sometimes
it's amazing. Ricky Lake shared mystory and then I guess I got a
little too about Cereal Mom, whichI love. I love Cereal Mom.
Oh my gosh, I did.Yeah, I'm actually tomorrow so no,

(55:19):
it's not okay, yeah, butit'll be out tomorrow hopefully if I finish
it. But you know, Itagged Ricky Lake and she shared it and
I was like, then, Ithing I got a little too excited,
and I said, oh my god, Ricky Lake, love you. If
you ever want to be on thepodcast, I'd love to talk to you
about it, and like it saysscene and she didn't responsible. Yeah,
I mean whatever, right. Yeah, But it's interesting because talking to Darren

(55:39):
Stein on that episode, we bringup mean girls, you know, because
Jawbreaker, Rose McGowan very mean girl, you know, Courtney Shane. We
have all these other iconic roles andI I we were comparing Jawbreaker to Mean
Girls, and it is funny tosee a few similarities, you know.
And he did say that Tina Feyhas never really publicly said she was inspired
by Jawbreaker, but you know,everything from there's like some phone call action.

(56:02):
There's even that iconic slow motion walk, which other movies had done too.
But you know, there's some definitelyclose similarities here that I'm like,
oh, yeah, that's that's somedrama right there. But I wouldn't.
Yeah, that's saying something Madison.Yeah, like by side. Yeah,
maybe like the Heather Heathers to Clueless, which is similar but not you know,

(56:27):
not entirely to records to Mean Girls. I see how that trajectory kind
of goes. I think to breakit down, Yeah, it's funny because
Clueless I love so much. Butyeah, there are I mean, they
can be a little cold, butthere are really no Mean Girls in clud
Yeah you know what I mean.Yeah, they're like nineties girls. They're
just nineties girls with that finactular theoutfits, the jeeps. Yeah, Like

(56:50):
I can't quote I can't if youask me to quote clues, right,
now i'd have to like look itup. Oh okay, I don't think
I could quote it. There's yeahhe's a virgin who can't try. But
see what's so funny, Madison?I love this and this is why,
Like, I'm so glad I haveyou guys here, because like Jason and
I, we knew Clueless. Wewere like your age. Yeah right yeah,

(57:14):
later in my life, not whenit came out. Yeah, uh
huh exactly. Yeah, so that'sso fun. Yeah, when you discover
different things, and Clueless is justas amazing as this movie. But they're
very different. Yeah, it's it'sthey're famous, popular, great teen movies.
But maybe because Clueless is like,you know, kind of got the
shakes, the modern Shakespeare thing goingon, kind of like ten I hate
about you, you know, whereasthis is much more in that kind of

(57:36):
Heather's jawbreaker vibe. You know,your house is really nice, I know
right. Being with the plastics waslike bleeding the actual world and entering girl
world. Have you see any guysthat you think you're cut yet? There's
this guy in my calculus class.His name's Aaron Samuel. No, it's
for Genie's ex boyfriend, ex boyfriendsare golf limits. I mean, that's
just like the rules of feminism.You know, you watch when you're eleven

(57:59):
and you watch when you're fifteen.You've gone through like different things. And
what I'm thinking about and how isyou know? In the beginning of the
movie, Jason asks asks Lindsay Lohanlike, would you like your your your
muffin butter? Like do you wantme to butter your muffin? And so
I remember listening to that as ayounger person, and I was like,
I didn't I didn't know what Imeant. And then so I watched this

(58:19):
today again and I said, Istill don't think I know what it means.
And then I watched an interview aboutTina Fey and she said, I
don't even know what it means.She goes, I made it up.
It doesn't She goes, it hasno meaning. She said that had no
meaning. And she also said thatshe made up fetch. Fetch was not
a slang word. She totally madeit up. So I was like,
I was like, this makes nosense because in my you know mind,
I'm like, oh, does thatmean like that would they put that in

(58:42):
a movie? But I think thereis no meaning, which I think is
kind of fun. You know,you know those movies where you keep watching
and like you always find a newsomething, like you didn't hear it before.
I think this is one of thosemovies where I'm like, oh,
yeah, how did I not hearthat before? It's funny because you think
of the iconic lines, but thenthey're, like you said, like the
the one liners throughout the whole cast, that all are like topp tier and

(59:06):
I can imagine like I would,I would recognize those people if I saw
them on the street, like fromthat movie, even if they have the
one line, like totally totally wouldrecognize them, which I think that's a
dreamy part to be an emoment.And I can't say the same thing about
the Mean Girls the musical because theydid that too, and they had they
had people doing the one liners,and I was like, not the same

(59:29):
thing. Yeah, you're right.I don't know what any of them look
like, but I know all theone liners I see them. The actress
that has such a great face forthis movie, who has one of the
lines I repeated the most. Ican't help it if I have a heavy
flow and a wide set vagina Iwould say that line with my friends like

(59:49):
too many times as a team.But she definitely became a successful actress because
I reckon as I watched her today, I said, oh, I think
I've seen her in a lot ofthings. I think I don't know her
name a TV. Yeah, wedon't know her name. But that's also
kind of the fun of it,because like, wow, what a star,
but like not a star, youknow what I mean. Like but
all of them, I mean andlike all they're great lines. The girl
that I love when like in theburn book they say she made out with

(01:00:14):
a hot dog, She's like madeout with a hot dog. That was
one time time again. The casting, you know, excellent all and excellent
writing. Every person who has aline stands out. I I you know,
do not think anyone has a throwawayline? Everything even you know,
And it was kind of said inthe movie musical Katie doesn't have a dad.

(01:00:37):
I forgot in the Broadway musical,I just got what of her dad?
I saw the Broadway Musical, buthonestly didn't really stay in my mind
for very long. It was fun, it was a fun one. It
was like yeah, but like walkingon, like I remember the Regina George
song. I'm like, but whatother songs are there now that I don't
Yeah, that was like the onlyone that really got in your brain was

(01:00:58):
my name is Rich right and everythingelse? But now I know them a
little bit more. But yeah,I love I love that you say that.
I feel like there are so manymovies where there's not like most movies
have throw away lines. But Iagree. I would also say that there
are no, no, not onethrow away line in the entire movie.

(01:01:21):
And can you say that about othermovies that I don't really can Maybe why
it's so iconic, so good,especially in a comedy, for that to
like to everyone hits? Yeah,every line hits. Come on, you
know you don't find it right?Yeah, every line is is either a
great joke, or it's really propellingthe story forward, or it's nasty or

(01:01:42):
it's purpose Like every line and it'sso funny. Madison talking about that muffin
buttered line. Maybe you saw thistoo. I guess originally it was going
to be much more vulgar, butParamount really stressed them to make it PG.
Thirteen. I guess it was gonnahe was gonna say, is is
your cherry? Popped or something thatwas way more on the nose. Wait,
so I actually love that the studiogave them that note, and I

(01:02:06):
love that she just made something upbecause we, like Katie, are like
what, I don't think so right? What do I? And like also
like butter on your muffin, likeI don't think you do? I want
that? No, I don't thinkso right. So it works out just
perfectly, you know. And alsoit's funny because re watching that moment when

(01:02:28):
we meet j I think his nameis Jason saying that line, and immediately
like, that's where we meet thePlastics, you know, that's where well,
I guess we had met them onthe field during that touch, which
we got to talk about this soundtrack, Oh my god is amazing. You
know, Regina's being carried out aswe're hearing like past that touch, Missy
Elliott, Oh my god, whata moment. But this is where we're
actually having a conversation with them,and it's just immediately, like everything about

(01:02:53):
this movie immediately felt like classic,like iconic, like you know, the
look, the shots, the writing, the performance is like you know,
have a se It's just like weare watching something special, you know what
I mean, yes, it's wild. Ritchen told me that you like Aaron
Samuels, I could talk to himfor you if you want. Really,

(01:03:15):
you would do that and want it. You're so hot. Why would she
do that? She's a life ruiner. I knew how this to be settled
in the animal world, but thiswas girl world. All the fighting had
to be sneaky. I mean,I think like it's like ESPN or something
is just like, oh, Imean, are you kidding? And that
was also a line that I remembernot understanding because when I was in love

(01:03:37):
and I was like, what's ESPN? Like? Obviously I didn't get didn't
get why it was funny, Andthen as an adult it's hilarious. I
also am laughing at one. Ijust love Janis. I feel like Janice
and Dame. I'm mostly probably morelike Jannis and Damien, like wrapped up
in a in one person. Ijust love how. I don't even I

(01:03:57):
didn't even write the first part.I just wrote Janis is one of her
early lines, your mom's chest hair, like, I'm just like man.
I wish I was cool enough tocome up with like some of these great
like comebacks like Janis Ian Oh mygosh, what about you, Jason,
any any lines that really stood outto you on this latest rewatch. I
was gonna say the one where thegirl when they're doing like when all the
girls are in the gymnasium, andthe girl's like, oh, you know,

(01:04:19):
I just have a lot of feelings. I just want to big I
want to look right, look upthe quote to look it up. She's
like to pick a cake with rainbows. And he's like, she did even
go here? And then she's like, do you can go to school?
She's like, no, this havea lot of feelings. She go home.
It works so well, Yeah,you need to go home, right,

(01:04:40):
it works so well. And evenhis blue hoodie that's tied, everything
is like stirring cylinders. Yes,I want my pink shirt back. Like
there's a reason why we say that, you know how, he because there's
you know they She throws the thelike art that she made, right,
the art piece from her show.You know, I wanted a wall or
whatever. And then there's a prize. I want a prize. There's a

(01:05:02):
few seconds of like nothing, andthen he says, then I want my
pink shirt and then like we're alreadywe've left them we're on her, but
you still hear him go even higher, like it's just it's perfect, right,
It's so good. And like Isaid, even the heavier lines right
before that when when Jenna says youare a mean girl bitch who like it

(01:05:24):
stings. We feel for Katie inthat moment because she flew a little too
close to the sun, right,She's feeling herself a little too much,
and it's like, oh, yikes, yeah, you know, like and
it gets dark and heavy there.Yeah. It also makes me wonder like
like, did did Damian improv?Was I don't know the actor's name,
Like was that improv? It couldhave been? It was? Was it?
Yeah? Yeah, they let himkeep it in. I read that

(01:05:47):
today because I feel like, youknow, when they let you like have
that last line and the actor justkeeps changing it like make something new up
every time, like that feels likeone of those. And that's again,
iconic, iconic, perfect choices.So many yes, please, what you're
gonna do anymore? When Damien's inthe bathroom with with Janis and that that

(01:06:10):
like shorter girls in there, he'slike, I love you. It's so
good because also and and at leastfrom my point of view as as a
queer boy in high school. Youknow, I like had boyfriends short lived,
but like I wasn't like talking aboutit much. Like so if you
knew, you knew, but likeyou're not gonna like get you know.

(01:06:31):
So that's how kind of how Iwas. Like. What I love about
that line is not only is itjust hilarious and such a great dig at
this girl, but he says itbecause he's in the girl's bathroom and he's
being called out, and so it'sit's such a great smart, funny but
not not too mean, you know, come back like a way, a
way to get her off him,you know, because here she is.

(01:06:55):
It's she's sort of saying, like, you know, get out of here,
like you're you know, you're notyou know, because he doesn't really
belong, you know, as agay boy. So for him to come
back like that, oh, he'slike taking the power back, you know.
So that's why I just love thatas well, because it's so funny,
but it's also like so good.Yeah, like it's not a big
deal fuck off, you know.I love Yeah, Hey, Rewinders,

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(01:07:35):
I want to lose three pounds.So these nutrition bars my mommy's to lose
weight. Your clue is five.You could try seers. Why are you
eating in call teen bar? Itmakes you don't mean like crazy? Yeah.
One more thing about Amy Polly thatI just wanted to say, I
love and I really missed in themovie musical And I thought, why did
they get rid of it? Isher fake boobs, her pointy fake nipples

(01:07:58):
hurting Katie when when she hugging her, the chihuahua is chomping on them,
And why would they not? Whywhy would they want to clue that?
And I thought, Okay, youhave busy phillips, beautiful woman. We're
in the age of real housewives.Thank you, Amen to them. But
like, why why was she notlike, you know, uh, totally
sure botox? Like why like theycould have used aesthetics, they could have

(01:08:23):
been done absolutely, Like maybe she'sshe's getting like maybe when we meet her,
you know, the new thing isnow mom has like her fifth nose
job or something. Right, Theycould have that a lot of titles,
but I think there were some missesthere. Totally. Yeah, I felt
a little surprisingly tame or something forthe mom And I don't know if they
were just trying to be like bodyconscious beauty conscious, because I did enjoy

(01:08:48):
that the musical and the movie musical. You know, we didn't hear slut,
you know, we we heard somewords in the original that I had
forgotten about. I remembered fugly slutbecause it's just so funny. But but
but they said some words that areso no goos, these are they?
And like we're like like four orfive times the specifical that starts with an
R with an R yeah, andI was like, no. In the

(01:09:11):
original coming from mostly Regina Regina,I counted at least three times. I
was also surprised. As I waslistening, I said, oh my gosh,
that's so like a word that doesn'tget used anymore. And at this
time twenty years ago, I mean, we knew that word was not a
nice word. So yeah, whoa, you know, yeah, that was
pretty bold. I'm sure they probablyare like all right, if we could
turn back time, maybe not thatword, right, But it's funny how

(01:09:34):
a lot of the insults, likeTina Fey says in the original movie,
like you guys got to stop callingyourself sluts and whores because what does she
say? Because guys to call tocall yes exactly, which I mean,
amen. Yeah, right there.It's like it kind of the point of
the story right there, right right. But the new one got rid of
those words, you know, whichI appreciate it because it's like, yeah,

(01:09:58):
in twenty years we had become waymore like sex positive body positives totally.
Yeah, the insults were different,and I thought that made sense and
I appreciated that, you know,But what are some things. Let's talk
about the movie musical now. Ifeel like we're now out of time where
we can talk about it. SoMadison didn't like it, Jason, what
did you think? I thought itwas fine, Like, I didn't love

(01:10:18):
it. I didn't hate it.I just thought it was fine. You
could tell that it was made forStreamer, so the budget like wasn't there.
I don't think I really liked themusical in general. I think I
only liked the Regina George that hertwo songs. These have two songs,
Yes, she has a really goodone at the party, which I like

(01:10:38):
that part in the movie music thatwas pretty I mean, I did I
agree with you, Jason. Thebudget, you can tell, like it
just kind of looked like made fora nice big TV, not made for
a big screen like the original.Right. But I did appreciate the work
they did with the cinematography and themovie Musical. I thought a lot of
the choreography, a lot of thecamera wort. Sure. Yeah, Like

(01:11:00):
I'm glad that they leaned into themusicality because one of the reviews I read
of the movie Musical when it youknow, a few months ago when I
was out, said like something thatI truly did not agree with, where
it's like the movie really stops andlike lags with the songs. I'm like,
no, the songs are what's keepingit going. It's kind of lagging
in the dialogue because it's basically justrepeating these lines we love with people trying

(01:11:28):
to do them a little differently oryou know, like that's where it kind
of was lagging for me. Thesongs I thought were great. I thought
a lot of their voices were awesome. I thought, like going back to
the party when everyone's kind of frozenand thing, right, that was pretty
mesmerizing. I loved, you know, let the World burn that big Regina
song towards the end. And however, you know the red yeah meant for

(01:11:54):
that role. For sure. It'sa different Regina. It was like a
tougher I don't say that. I'mnot saying this in a negative way.
It was like a little bit moreof a butcher, uh you know,
more butcher Regina because Rachel is justso girly. So it was very an
interesting take. Yeah, on anew Regina scary in a different way,
right, Like not that I needto comment on anyone's body, but I

(01:12:16):
liked that she was like mm hmm, a real person. Like she wasn't
like a like a very twiggy,you know, a little thing. She
was like a real girl. Shedid you did you see her in the
musical? Mark she was? Shewas actually on Broadway Rene rap. I
don't think I saw her when Ifeel like I saw the musical pretty early
on, and am I remember she? I think she joined a little later,

(01:12:40):
is that right? She talks,She talks a lot about her body
image, and going through some notso great times. She was on Call
Her Daddy and I watched her onThere and Shed. I think that's where
she talked about her experience on Broadwayon Mean Girls. Yeah, it was
a really interesting it was interesting.I think she is a star. I

(01:13:00):
also love her on Sex Lives ofCollege Girls. I don't know if you
either watched that. Such a goodshow. I didn't watch it, but
I've heard nothing about you have towatch it. Is hilarious, it's over
right, it's always is not goingto be in it because she's on tour
being a super sharp She's just toohuge for a platform, is it?
It's max right here? I guessmy my my problem with it is I

(01:13:25):
think that if you're going to haveRegina be of like that caliber and she's
an incredible singer and an actress,I'm just comparing the other three girls to
her and the actress that played Karen. While she's lovely, her song was
so auto tuned. I don't believethis person is like a singer. Uh.
And she just has one name andshe like a she's a Disney girl.

(01:13:45):
I think, Okay, she's beautiful, she's beautiful, and she came
from Disney Channel. I'm pretty sureshe's got like all the following and the
girl that played Gretchen, I alsodon't know her name. But in the
musical Gretchen Ashley Park play, Yeah, National Park, Another Star. There's
another great song, like a ballad, like power ballad is It wasn't in

(01:14:08):
the movie. It was not amovie, and I was looking forward to
it because I wanted to her sing, But then she was just saying this
weird song in the closet. Thatsong, it was what I said,
what is going on? Just don'tjust just just don't do it. Yes,
that was a weird song. Andit also was like a downer and
it wasn't a ballad, and itdidn't feel like it fit to me.

(01:14:29):
That is one of the few momentsin my opinion where like because because yeah,
we know, the movie musical doesn'thold a candle to the original.
It just can't. You know,it's just a new version. It's it's
just another way of seeing the story, right, That's how I look at
it. But like, there arejust a few moments where I'm like,
oh, clunk, and that wasa clunk that wretches song in the closet,

(01:14:51):
and I again, I don't reallyremember a lot of the songs in
the musical. Was was that songthat she does sing in the movie?
Was that in the musical? Doyou know it wasn't? Okay, amazing
song? And just like, whynot cast an amazing Broadway actress for the
other three roles. I didn't knowthese three girls anyway, Like, put
people that can really sing these songsfor the musical, and I just like

(01:15:12):
that that bothers me a little bit. Yeah, I know there's so much
more that goes into it, butif you're gonna have a musical, like
yeah singers in, put people whohave no names in, like, like
let them. I didn't know that. I didn't know those three girls anyway,
although maybe like a lot of millennialmillennials are familiar with them. Maybe
yeah, I mean I know thatthe actress and I don't know their names

(01:15:33):
either, But I know the actressthat plays Gretchen in the movie musical.
I know she was on Love Victor. That doesn't I didn't I know of
that one. I watched a bitof that. She was a friend on
that, so maybe she's got afollowing there, But I mean, yeah,
Renee rap Aside, and I didlike the Karen, but I agree
there was still something missing from her, but I thought, okay, I'll

(01:15:57):
take her. But yeah, becauseshe was funny. She was very good
at being just you know, deadbehind the eyes. But yeah, the
other two really made me appreciate LindsayLowan and lay Lacey Shabert. Like that's
when I started realizing, wow,lazy ship, Like, imagine mean Girls
without Lacey Shabert and her panicked Gretchen, And I mean that is you don't

(01:16:18):
have the movie. You know,it's crazy, And so that Gretchen was
a little I just I didn't care. I didn't care about them, and
like the whole part of the movieis you you care about Gretchen, you
care about Karen. You by theend you love them, not even by
the end you immediately love them.I just kind of I could care less
about them. I was just like, oh, well, yeah, wait

(01:16:39):
is Karen's first line you're from Africa? Where you wait? I think first
line? You just like you rightaway? And I was sort of like
waiting to be sold. And Iwill say that my favorite the actor and
actress that played Damien and janis Ithink they were the stars. Besides,
I feel like they did such agood job at their own to those roles

(01:17:01):
while still maintaining who those characters are. And I thought any laugh I had
during the movie was from them bothreally talented. And then that's another really
talented singer. You know, she'smo Wana, She's she's Molana. Yes,
she's so many she's so many things. And I appreciate you cast someone
that can do the part that wassmart. Agreed. I love love them.

(01:17:24):
They were my last They were great, and I had forgotten they're kind
of the narrators, you know,because in the original movie we hear we
hear Katie's awesome inner monologue. Imean it's so funny when she, you
know, is trying to get tutoredby Aaron and she's like wrong, so
wrong, Like it's brilliant. ButI had forgotten, you know, this
time it's not so much Katie thenarrator, it's the sidekicks. Ye perfect.

(01:17:46):
I love them. They were funny, great voices from the two of
them. Agreed. I'm gonna butcherher name. I know, I didn't
even yeah, but we'll just sayMoana actress is cute as a friggin button
the Greatest girl and I love.One of my favorite moments from the music
movie movie Musical is oh gosh,now I can't think of it, but

(01:18:08):
her amazing song. Basically she's liketelling them f you after the trust the
cafeteria's running around. Oh my gosh. I could just watch that like a
shot for so long. It wasjust okay, and I just I just
I just thought of it because thenshe's like running into the music room as
then they're like doing the different instruments. Oh, I might as well be

(01:18:30):
me me or yeah, yeah,something like that. Oh imagine if if
every musical number was like that one, yeah, and like that's that's what
I wanted. And I feel likeRenee rap songs were and if they if
they were all like those three numbersthat you remember, maybe people would be
talking about it. Yeah, Idon't know. Yeah, what do you
think? Big? They have bigshoes to fill? I mean, oh,

(01:18:53):
the biggest heels, right, biggesthe the biggest to fill you.
True, it's like not even fair, which is why said in the beginning,
I don't think it should have made. It's like why why touch what's
perfect? And yeah, it isinteresting because it was meant to be on
Paramount Plus. And then I guessas they were shooting, and I do
love that they shot it in Jerseysince I'm a Jersey boy. But I
maybe because I viewed Mean Girls kindof like in I'm sure we all did,

(01:19:15):
like in our hometowns, Like Iknow that was shot in Toronto or
in Canada, but but like tome, it just was like like kind
of in my head like Jersey.And I guess they did shoot a few
things, and I think it wasat Montclair. I saw online they got
a few shots in Jersey for theoriginal. But I do love that the
movie musical is like a Jersey movie, just because it feels so like,
yeah, Jersey suburb or whatever.Right. But yeah, you know,

(01:19:36):
I guess while they were shooting,they were like, oh, this needs
to be theatrical. And I wonderif we would be easier on it if
it had less pressure, if itwas just a streaming movie. Yeah,
I think I think maybe. Andit's funny because this makes me think,
like remember that there was like aMean Girls too, Like I never saw

(01:19:57):
it. You never saw either,but I just probably was targeted right to
you Madison as a kid you know, eleven, and then you know,
a couple of years ago, Yeah, was there a Mean Girls three or
no, it was just just two. I think just the two, but
like no one talks about. Andthen there are the people that are like,
wait, it's a musical, likepeople that didn't know, like I
don't want to hear singing, likethe non people I guess in the industry

(01:20:18):
were you know, that part wascrazy to me, Like Wonka, I
guess I could understand, but likewe had those few movies Wanka, The
Color Purple and Mean Girls that wereall musicals, but they kind of like
hid the musicality in the trailer.They didn't tell people, right. I
actually loved the movie musical trailer withthe Olivia Rodrigo song because I'm a stand

(01:20:39):
but I thought that was like sucha trailer. But I'm just like,
wait, how did you not know? Mean Girls was a musical? But
again, we're all in the industry, and you know, in the New
I was in the New York areaand like so we knew and like we
got our tickets and all that,you know, that tweet when someone was
recording in the movie theater and whenshe started when the regime. When the
Katie started singing after meeting Aaron,they all start laughing in the audience because

(01:21:00):
they know it was a musical,and he thought it was like, I
guess that breaks my heart. Imean, like hello. Also it's like,
oh really, I went I thinkI think this is what got Madison
and I talked about this because Iwent, like like Thursday at like four
o'clock. I was like the firstpossible showing as if I was a major

(01:21:24):
fan. And obviously I love theoriginal, but it's not like I was
dying to see this movie. Iwas just like, you know what,
it's a slow day at work,I'm going to why not just you know,
wrap up a little early and likego by myself. And I was
near like a family of four.I was near like an old lady,
I think, another solo guy tolike girlfriends. I'm like, yeah,
this is right. So I'm actuallyhappy that I had a quieter experience,

(01:21:45):
because yeah, that makes me kindof sad because again it's like, yeah,
how did you guys not know?It's even in the in the logo
of the New One, there's amusic no, So like when I left,
when I left the theater, therewas a bunch of people there that
were looks about my age, andwe all kind of like looked at each
other and everyone was like it wasa week and we all kind of like
had a consensus. You know,when you're a theater and like something that

(01:22:08):
happens that there's a joke that's supposedto be funny but it doesn't hit,
so then it's funny that it didn'thit. Lots of the laughs felt like
that, like I'm laughing because ohmy god, that was supposed to be
funny and it's not funny, andI'm laughing, and then I'm looking to
the left trying to laugh with mymother and she's asleep, and I'm like,
oh my god. If she fellasleep during this, it was really

(01:22:30):
she was like this is not good. Oh my god. Even Mommy Eastman
does not like gosh. So soyeah, But like I said, I
feel like it kind of came andwent like people talked about it like heavily
for a long time and then Okay, then then they move on. Yeah,
and we're still talking about the original. But I guess that's TV now.

(01:22:50):
They make musicals everything now that's justwhat And it's also was very funny
how going back to what else wasout the color purple had the same treatment,
right, movie, then a stagemusical, well, then a movie
musical. So it's funny how everynow and then that happens with Harris's book
and book and that's true. Allthat's true book. Yeah, Oh my

(01:23:11):
gosh, it's so funny how we'rejust adapting things. But see, I'm
part of the problem because this iswhy I like, I do kind of
like sequels. I can't help butlike be interested in remakes because I think
I am just naturally like interested inlike, Okay, well, what are
they going to do now with it? Like who's you know? So I
am curious. I should not be, because then I'm going to be like
always kind of let down a littlebit and be like, hmm, I'm

(01:23:33):
going to compare, like for therest of time, I'm just gonna nitpick,
right, But I do kind oflike seeing the characters again, whether
it's a sequel getting older or likejust who's doing it now? So I'm
kind of kind of part of theyou know, ad adaptation problem of every
few years and of like, youknow, that's a kind of our human
industry, Like how many verses ofLittle Mermaids were they weren't like so true.

(01:23:57):
We always kind of do that.We always kind of like we tell
the same story in a way.That's true. I'm just like, we
have our version that we love,and our version we love is always going
to be there, and whoever likesto do one can like it. I
don't know who liked it more thanthe original. I don't think anybody would.
But ours is still there, standingstrong, and yeah, it's going
to be around for the next fiftyyears. It's not going anywhere. Yeah,

(01:24:17):
this in like twenty sixties. Youguys will be back for the fiftieth
anniversary and we'll be like, Okay, I can't remember what we said years
ago, but let's just like saywhatever's on our mind. Yes, you
don't have a twenty year old daughterby that, and hopefully, oh and
she'll be in the new Me andGirls reason that would be great. No,
she doesn't have to be an actress, that's okay. Yeah, if

(01:24:40):
she wants to, she is.I invented her. Coco. We didn't
say, did we do? Oh, we didn't talk about Glenn Coco,
one of the most famous characters inmovie history, and we don't even know,
unfaced on and done just like aside of the back of the head.

(01:25:01):
Yeah right, wow, I lovethat. An extra, you know,
yeah, upgraded, up upgraded,extra. I hope he got upgraded.
Yeah, maybe not, there's nofacial and probably not. There's no
facial really, I mean maybe asidethere's no line. Really, you only
known at least he is Glenn Coco. I hope to god that is on
his resume. I'm gonna look upon IMDb when we're done. I'm gonna

(01:25:25):
make sure it's gotta be right.There's gotta be but iconic and none for
Gretchen Wieners. Right, we saythat all the time, right. Another
Another great one is when when,because someone actually quoted this the other day
on a podcast, when Regina isdescribing Aaron Samuels to Lindsay Lohan to Katie
and she's like, all he caresabout is his family and his friends,

(01:25:47):
and she's like it is that abad thing? Yeah, She's just like,
uh, that's that's another one.I love again. People are people
are saying this like on the dailylike I'm just hearing oh you yes,
and get in loser, there goesmy phone, get in loser, we're
going shopping. I mean, andI have to say, I mean,

(01:26:09):
that was a glaring omission in themovie musical, she just says, get
in, loser. I'm like,I know, are weal? And I
wasn't sure, Like do they wantus in the crowd to shout we're going
shopping? Like is it a rockyhorror moment? Because why? Okay,
but like give us the cute likethat was weird. Get in there and
maybe maybe if someone else says we'regoing shopping or or I don't know,

(01:26:33):
but it was so strange to nothave the shopping. It was I I
realized, you know, it's nota it's not a major moment in the
movie, but the mall scenes areso fun and to and I miss that
in both the musical and the movie. And I get it. You know,
the musical, you can't have somany scenes. I just saw a
play that had so many scenes andI'm like, Okay, this could have

(01:26:54):
easily been combined into a couple otherscenes. Why are we fading the lights
so many times? You know?So I get it. You got to
combine. You have to combine somecharacters. You can't take away the iconic
something the way and and the jingleBall Rock when the girls I'm like,
okay, it's a musical. Iwant to hear some acapella and I'm like,
they're not. That's like one ofmy favorite parts is when Katie starts

(01:27:15):
singing and everyone starts singing, right, it's iconic. Yeah, it wasn't
a different song. It wasn't jingleball rock, right or was it?
Oh? I think you might beright. I think it was different.
I think that's yeah, it wasdifferent, a different song. Yeah,
yeah, I guys, I completelyforgot how perfectly hilarious it is that Damien

(01:27:39):
is singing beautiful, like that songwas huge at the time. And then
yeah, and then that was sucha great little nod to everyone, but
especially like the gaze. I feellike that was like for the gays,
you know. Yeah, so ifit looks away, She's like, and
like, was that improvised? Thatfelt like it could have been to it.

(01:28:00):
It could have been. Yeah,they could have just decided that day,
Like I'm could have just looked away, right, I mean, it's
so good. And also I knowI'm gonna sound crazy and I've said this
to people before and they're like,Okay, you're crazy, but I do,
maybe because I again, I lovethe soundtrack I have, I had
it. I listened to it everynow and then because I love some of
these songs. But the ending songI was already like a big fan of

(01:28:24):
because I think it was in theMortal Kombat movie if I remember correctly,
in the mid nineties. But it'sit's I think it's called how Seonwon On
and On by Orbital. It's likethat instrumental music that's playing at the very
end where we're back in the fall, you know Regina's doing for It gives
me the chills. Okay, good, I'm glad I'm not alone. It
gives me the chills. It's sucha nice, happy ending. I love

(01:28:45):
that, you know, everyone's kindof split up a little bit, but
you know, like but Karen andKatie are kind of together with with Janice
and Kevin and you know, andthen Regina's got her thing and Gretchen's now
with the Asians, which is soso funny. They oh my god,
the straightened hair. I don't Idon't know if that is like kosher nowadays.

(01:29:11):
I don't know. I don't thinkwould fly, yeah, because it's
not that she was like, youknow, I don't I don't know if
it was appropriation, but it justwas an interesting choice. She speaking too,
like I'm sure that actress is sayingexactly it was words. I don't

(01:29:31):
think it was like, you know, gibberish, right, but she's kind
of it is it is so funnyand it's so it's I just love that,
like like Katie's narration, she findsanother creepy to follow, you know.
But yeah, I'm just like justthe way she's delivering the lines in
a sort of accent. I'm like, Okay, I don't know, it's
funny, but I feel like thisis kind of wrong, you know.

(01:29:55):
But yeah, I just I don'tknow, I get emotional and like how
then there are these new you know, queen bees of the Freshman, which
I guess that leads to me andgirls too or something, but like,
I don't know, and it justI just love the ending. I love
how it's a perfect ending where noteveryone is besties, but like everyone's content

(01:30:15):
and they found their paths, youknow, And I just love how just
you know, Rachel McAdams, shejust gives that little nod and Katie gives
it back and it's like, yeah, like peace in girl world or something
like that, I think, Andit's a great song to just kind of
end with peace. But there's thenthat still little jab, you know,
then when the girls when the bus, you know, yeah, and like

(01:30:38):
Katie just kind of like gives uslike a wink without giving us a wink,
and then we end, and andthen we go to Dancing with Myself.
Perfect Perfect winds a little bit.So when Katie does the speech the
pieces of the crown, yes,and she's like, I love that the
name of who, she says,but she's like, you look so beautiful
tonight, and yeah, it makesme like your hairdoo. And I know

(01:31:00):
she says, it's just plastic.It's just breaks and again, yeah,
oh the way the way he's right, but like the way Tina Fey wrote
that, how perfect she calls thesemean girls plastics and then here is a
plastic crown that means something. Butreally, now it's just it's simple,
but it's so effective, right,I just don't have to give a speech.

(01:31:25):
Oh my god, Yeah, Ilove and I don't know why.
But another line that like I canjust hear him say it. All the
girls report to the gymnasium immediately immediediately, I'm not leave the side for this,
right, and then another shot likegoing back to the cinematography. I
know we were talking about that withthe movie musical, but this one I

(01:31:45):
love and it's it's super chilling,you know how we're on uh, we're
on Regina after she's created chaos withthe burn book with the pages line and
then she's just there and the cameralike, yeah, Dolly's out or pans
out and fighting. Oh chills,like we have a fill in right,
But yeah, Jason, I lovethat speech and how things are good.

(01:32:09):
One thing I did like in themusical and movie musical, which we didn't
get in the original is a scenewith Katie and Regina because we never really
got right, am I wrong?In the original movie, we don't really
get like an ending scene with themkind of like being cool to get together
verbally, you know, we justhave that. I but I do like

(01:32:29):
how they have their bathroom moment inthe musical. It felt like we needed
that and in the original and wedidn't. We didn't get it, you
know what I mean? Okay,everybody, it's late at night. That's
why I'm kind of talking quietly,get ready to hear this very interesting message
from my friend Devin Lotty. Ido remember on the DVD watching this deleted

(01:32:53):
scene where Katie runs into Regina onelast time in the bathroom, and it's
a really great shot, pops upin the mirror with her praise, and
it just gives the movie this littledarker edge that I think it needed,
because I mean, as soon asshe got up with the bus, I
was like, Okay, it wentthere. We're good, because I didn't
think it would be as good asit was. No one did. But

(01:33:15):
but yeah, I kind of wishthey would have kept that deleted scene.
I don't know if you've seen itor if you're gonna talk about it on
your episode, but for me,it would have just smoothed out the ending
to be a little less sweet.But yeah, it's like this weird piece
between them because I think Regina says, you know, when I was little,
I had this really nice, expensiveGerman dollhouse, and I remember on

(01:33:39):
the commentary the creators were like,of course she wouldn't have like official price
dollhouse. She has like an expensive, fancy dollhouse, and my parents were
gonna give it away. To mylittle cousins and then Katie's like oh,
and then she's like, so Ithrew it down the stairs and broke it.
I didn't really want it, butif I couldn't have it, I
didn't want anyone else to have it. And it's just so great because she's

(01:34:00):
saying that about Aaron, like shedidn't really care, but she cared.
I'm sorry I left at you,I'm sorry I called you fat. I'm
sorry that people are so jealous ofme. But I can help it that
I'm popular. Dalk it off,walk it off. I just have to

(01:34:23):
say, Samantha Ronson is the singerof that song that we hear like three
times. They like yeah and Iwon, you know, and how funny.
Then just a few short years laterthen Lindsay Lowan and Samantha Ronson are
a couple of Yeah. I thoughtthat was like this is also these are
also things that I don't know.Oh yeah, okay, yeah totally.

(01:34:44):
They were a thing. Yeah,they were so so At my wedding a
few years ago, we had pictures, so the tables were named after gay
celebrities, so you know, oh, you're at the Ellen table, You're
at the and even if they weren'tout, you know, you're at the
John Travolta table or whatever, soyou had some of my oldest friends were
seated at the Lindsay Lowan and SamanthaRonson table. So like, yeah,

(01:35:05):
that was like a big that waslike a big thing, you know for
there those Oh yeah, look atup that that was like at the height
of like Perez Hilton gossip. Likethat was when lindsay my shirt I'm wearing
I should have showed you I'm wearingmy old Lindsay low Lowen shirt that says
ND Yeah, I love that.And that's us closing the burn book.

(01:35:30):
And I think my father, theinventor of toaster Strudel, would be very
pleased to hear about this. Butwait before you go, there is a
very fun part two of this conversationon YouTube only, where I ask mean
Girls trivia questions. So head thereto keep the party going for an exclusive
YouTube Part two. Why does Katielike mathmember Jason No, No, No,

(01:35:56):
Madison. Thanks so much everybody forlistening to or watching this Girls Part
one episode of release date rewind anda big, big thank you to my
guests, my fellow plastics, myteen Royalty, Jason A. Coombs and
Madison Eastman. Check out their stuffon Instagram. Here's a few different acts
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