Producer Albert Bianchini on Teaching Mrs. Tingle (25th anniversary)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Straw Hut Media.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome to release Date Rewind, a podcast that celebrates milestone
movie anniversaries. Hey everybody, it's your host, Mark J. Parker,
a movie lover and a movie maker, and thank you
for listening to my show on the straw Hut Media
Network wherever you get your podcasts or watching on YouTube.
We're doing a whole career retrospective today with my very

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special guest. So if you love trivia as much as
I do, then you're gonna love this episode. The kids
are back to school and back to the drama, drama
with each Other, Drama with their teachers, drama created by
Kevin Williamson in the late nineties. We're rewinding back to
nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine, and two thousand, primarily because

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it was just the twenty fifth anniversary of Williamson's dark
comedy Teaching Missus Tingle, which was released in theaters on
August twentieth, nineteen ninety nine, right before Season three of
Dawson's Creek aired on the This Katie Holmes, Helen Mehre
and Thriller was his directorial debut and one of the
very first scripts he had written. Speaking of Dawson's Creek.

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Were also, of course going to talk about that groundbreaking
series that Williamson created, which I've talked about in depth
on this podcast before, because my special guest today worked
on that show as well with Kevin and other projects
with him, and other projects with other filmmakers. So you're
in for a real treat. If you need to watch
or rewatch Teaching Missus Tingle is currently streaming in the

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US on Paramount Plus, and Dawson's Creek is on Hulu
and Prime Video. All right, students and faculty, you're about
to get a history lesson because it's time to rewind everybody.

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We are rolling. I'm so excited to be talking to
a friend I haven't talked to in a long time.
We worked together a long time ago. We're gonna go
down memory lane with this amazing producer. Albert bian Keeny
is here. Albert, Yes, are you welcome? This is some fun.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
So happy to be reconnecting with you. You were, and
I will tell this to those who are listening the
star intern of Live with Regis and Kelly when I
was a producer there.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
That's very nice. But Brittany Britney Forgione worked with me.
She worked at Live for a few years.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I mean there were no Monica.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Monica was Regis's assistant, but she wasn't his assistant at
that time. We weren't interns. But it's funny because I
stay in touch with a good amount of people.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
That's so sweet. Well, I remember Albert you. Okay, so
back in two thousand and seven, you were producing Live
with Regis and Kelly. I was an intern, and a
Gossip Girl had just started airing. It's just premiered on
and I remember Blake Live, and you know, that was
a big deal. And especially of course, you know, as
a young person in the city, like everyone was obsessed
with Gossip Girl, right, And I remember she was on

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the on the wall, she was coming to the show,
and you were producing her. You might not even remember this,
you were producing her, and I think you had overheard
us because this was back in the day everybody where.
I don't think we're giving anything, you know, secret away,
but like all the interns kind of like sat right
next to each other at a table.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Oh yeah, and they were like tensed.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Okay, really, oh god.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, there's no longer ten. It's a lot less over
it's a lot less.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, yeah, they did end up in the PA's I heard,
but yes, like ten or twelve of us Elbow to
elbow and we were talking about Gossip Girl and I
feel like you came over and you said, hey, are
you guys talking about Gossip Girl? And I was like
so video. I was like, yeah, do you watch And
you're like, well, I'm producing Blake Lively. Do you want
to come in next week early to greet her? And
I was like, I like raised my handmet yeah, And

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so I remember coming in an hour early at seven
am Blake and she was so sweet. You know, I
know she's kind of in some hot water right now.
We won't get into that, but you know, but yeah,
she was like this new it girl and I just
remember greeting her and that's all because you let me
come in early to do it.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
And that was Listen. I always tell anyone that can
get an internship on that show, it's so understaffed that
if you can get an internship there, like you'll do everything,
You'll greet the celebrities, you'll I mean, you're just it's
an all hands on deck situation. And I think it's
probably one of the best internships in the industry.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
You're so right. Absolutely, amen, it was, and it's fun.
I mean it's it's a lot of work, it's fun.
But yeah, you're so right. Everything from the calls and
then the letters and fan mail, but then you're greeting,
you're helping produce the contest. You know, beautiful Baby all
a few years.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
With Oh my God, beautiful baby. By the way, everybody
thinks their baby is the most beautiful baby. That's Albert.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
So many babies that were not beautiful. I'm like, do
you remember that away? Sorry, sorry, but now okay, we're
gonna jump all around. But Albert, how long were you
producing at Live with Regis and Kelly?

Speaker 1 (04:49):
So? I was there six years. I was working at
the time for Todd Phillips. I was running development for
him and his production company Downtown, and he was gonna
moved the company out to LA I had just moved
back from la and then I had lunch with a
friend of mine, Ane Marie, who was a producer at
Live Funny, and she was telling me about her crazy

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day and like how like George Clooney was there and
an elephant came through the double doors and broke the
doors and she's like, how is your day. I'm like, well,
I read six scripts and talked to two agents and
she's like, well, you know, Geleman is looking to hire
a a producer, a freelance producer if you're interested, and
then cut too. I had a meeting with him and
got the job. It was great.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Of the biggest talk shows still to the stages with
Kelly and Mark, you know, and of course Albert's still
working with Kelly and Mark. We'll talk about that in
a bit. But so were you Were you like a
freelan Were you considered freelance your whole time there or interesting?

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Okay freelancers? And we were laughing because on Kelly's podcast,
we had Michael Gelman on last year and we joked
that everybody is initially starts. Everyone has like a three
week gig on that show.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, until honestly, you know what, that makes sense. I
feel like, you know, working in TV and really any gig,
but especially TV film, we're like lots of big personalities.
It might not be a good fit. It totally makes
sense to kind of have like a trial period and
then to totally sign whatever contract or whatever to like
stay longer you know, it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, that's my three weeks kept getting extended.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
So you were just tired for a few weeks.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh three weeks. Wow, oh my god. It was like
a quick and then I ended up staying on and
then thinking this would just be like a fun thing
to do for a little while. And then there I
was producing live TV and listen, I don't have to
tell you because you experienced it, but you have never
lived until you are experiencing something live. At the time,
there was a zero second delay. You're holding up a

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few cards next to a camera that is being projected
to millions and millions of people. You're like, it's just happening.
So and then when you work on you know, TV
shows and feature films, and you developed something that you
may see on a screen in three, four or five years,
and here you're seeing something twenty four hours later. It
was just an adrenaline rush.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Oh yeah, it's wild. It's amazing. And yeah, very few people,
I think, really think about that and could really handle that.
I mean, it's luckily you're working with pros, you know,
both behind the camera in front of the camera, and
all these celebs that are used to it. But yeah,
did you ever work in any other talk shows or
was live the only one for you?

Speaker 1 (07:14):
So I started out out of college. I interned on
the Gordon Elliott Show, which was like this show back
in the day on CBS, and then the Rolanda Show,
which was a Rowando wats had a talk show. I
did those for a year and a half or so,
and then I said I need to move to California
and start, you know, get into like the real TV
and film business.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
And then I flew out there with no job, no nothing,
stayed in a friend's apartment and got did a bunch
of like temp work from all these random jobs, which
was great, and then ended up at ICM, which I
still say, market to me is probably one of the
most important jobs I ever had. Was the year and
a half I worked at that talent agency. It's grad school.
I mean it's grad school. It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Oh my gosh, what a great way to say. It's
grad school. That's like the real learning.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Oh yeah, where'd you go to school?

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Did you go to n YU?

Speaker 1 (08:02):
I went to n YU. Yeah, because you're studied computer science.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Right, you're a New Yorker. And then you went to
California Okay, so you studied computer science and not science, film, TV,
acting and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
At the very end of my four years there was
starting they were starting a computer graphics department which was
kind of emerged between TISH and the College of Arts
and Science, and that was like when I first started
coming live. But then I realized quickly I just needed
to graduate and get working. So the internships were like, yeah,
we're starting as you know, that's where you're just feel

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so hands on and it's so much more get out
of you. Yeah, oh my god, I couldn't wait.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
What what internships did you do back then?

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Do you remember I did the Gordon Elliott Show?

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Okay, those were internships, got it?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Okay? I feel like that may have been my only
main internship because then they kept bringing me back for
the following semesters, which was great, and then they hired
me right out of college.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Right, Yeah, that's the dream. Yeah, just like stick with
it and there you go your first job.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Intern as much as you possibly can, because people only
want to work with the people that they like working with,
so absolutely.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
I used to remember how many internships I had. I
could go through all the list, but like pretty much
every semester, like except for maybe freshman year because I
went to Temple in Philly and then I transferred to
Fordham in New York. So but like pretty much every
semester in New York, different internship, and maybe one carried
over for another one. But I just remember I was like,
I want to you know, I obviously with Live with Extra,

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with Fox search Light, like so a mixture of film
TV One Life to Live you know. Also, oh my god,
yeah that was really fun in the writing department, all
these notes of.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
The oh my god, you got to experience that. That's epic.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
And I was never really a soap opera guy, but
I knew how obviously important and powerful that show, all
those shows were, you know, and uh so totally, Oh,
I completely agree intern if you're not interning and you
want to work in this kind of field, I.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Mean, it's the only way, right, especially if.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
You don't know I like, you know, your parents aren't
someone special, you know, you got to intern, Yeah, totally.
So then you you go to school in New York,
so then you you just decide I want to go
to LA and you didn't have a job lined up.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Nothing, which your parents I think I thought I was crazy.
My dad was like, where the fuck are you? Sorry,
where do it? Where the fuck are you going? My
mom my Italian American parents were like, you're going where?
And I just went and they, of course, everybody came
to visit. My parents would come, my sister, my cousins.
But I just knew that there was a chapter in

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my life that needed to that I needed to spend
out there, and I went and did it. And for
you know, every six months, I would hit this, I
can't stand living out here. I need to move back.
And then that just kept extending and extending, and then
I got a bunch of really great jobs which we
could get to, and finally I just hit the wall
and four years later moved back.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, and you haven't really moved back
to LA at all. You've been in New York since Okay?

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Oh yeah, I decided. Someone told me right before I
moved back, you should live in the city your happiest
landing in. And every time I land in New York,
I like, come alive, Like I look at the city,
I'm so excited. And then that same Memorial of the weekend,
I flew back to LA and I looked at the
Hollywood Sign and started crying like this is my sign.

(11:20):
Get the fuck?

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah you knew. Yeah, it's tough. It's a weird. Anyone
who likes New York does not really like LA in
my opinion, Like I was much more, way more New
York LA. You get swept away with of course the
history and the cool glitz and all that fun stuff.
But yeah, to live there day to day.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Oh, I was depressed.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
It's just for my very short time, just a couple
of weeks living there.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
For how long we were out there.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I was only there for three weeks. Just as a
little test, I did, like a little this was actually yeah,
this was after my live internship. I went out for
this little acting program when I was like, let me
see if I still want to try this, and it
just made me want to get back to New York
right away. Like so very short little blit, but I
just kind of knew, like, man, I didn't have a
rental car, so that was also all hours to the beach.

(12:06):
I'm just like, no, this was I didn't think this through. Yeah,
so you get the job at ICM. Do you remember
what kind of things were you doing at ICM?

Speaker 1 (12:15):
So they put me on a desk. This agent was Ben.
His name was Ben Press. He's now a manager, and
he was in the Motion Picture talent department, and they
put me on while his assistant was out and they
ended up the assistant ended up not coming back, and
then I ended up getting the job full time. And Mark,
I mean the language that you learn, the yes means no,

(12:36):
the no means yes. The I'm telling my client this,
but the casting director really told me that it's just wild,
like the and then the you know, the hierarchy of
the industry and like who you're talking to and who
you have to go through to get to that person,
and really understanding it. It's just you can't learn that
anywhere else. It's just the on the job experience. But

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it was wild. I mean the ship that went down
when I was there, and I'm like, holy shit, that
just happened.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
And and you probably saw some things thrown or doors
slammed or maybe not.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
They were just the were screams occasionally.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
But even from my years in casting, like I've never
you know, had to book anyone of that level at
an I c M. But you're so right, like there's
a whole pecking order of like agents and assistance and
and it's like a secret even if you work in
the industry, it's like, I don't really know anything about that.
That's like a you know the fortress, right, you were

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able to really and you were there a year.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
You're on all the calls and you're you know, you're
in the meetings often, you know, listening in or watching
what's going on, and it's just you're it's just it's
a it's an amazing chance to really learn a lot,
and yet you have this so much tea that you
get from those jobs. Also, a lot of you.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Probably had a sign. Did you have ever have to
sign like a non disclosure? Oh? Oh yeah, Oh my god, yeah,
why old Albert?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Okay, So watching assistants get fired and then sent down
to HR and then being hired an hour later and
brought back, I mean it was oh really, oh yeah,
it was.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Just did you ever get fired? I can't No, I never.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
I never got fired.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah. Wow, But I bet those days were long. Were
you working?

Speaker 1 (14:15):
They were long? Yeah? Yeah, because you always had to
be there before. You always had to assistant, You always
had to roll calls, but as the agent was driving
in and then you had to stay to the very
end until they got home, and and yeah, it was crazy.
My favorite was the where the New York was trying
to nail people down on either coast and then the
New York people would call early in the morning so

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that they didn't have to speak to the person and
they would just leave word. It was always a game.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
So I didn't even think about that. Yeah, you're really
the middleman, like taking calls like because yeah, they hate
each other. Oh yeah, because some of these agents have
such attitude.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Oh yeah, it's like do you want the gig or not?
But you got to be a little nice. Come on now. Wow.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
I was just telling this story, the related story that
I kiss. Kelly was interviewing I forget her podcast maybe
it was it may have been Henry Winkler, and she
was talking about they were talking about Scott Rudin and
I said, oh my god, I almost was his assistant
in LA and they were like. She was like, well

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what happened? I said, well, I went for like four
interviews and I got the job and I was about
to take it and then I walked into this agent
at the time office in LA who I knew years
ago had worked for him too, and I said, listen,
I'm about to accept the job offer. I just wanted
to ask your opinion on it. And he just stopped.
He took his head set off and he said, Albert,
life is too short. Why then? Yeah? And then I

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walked down and didn't take the job, and then got
the job that I wanted about a month later.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Oh, okay, good, you dodged a bullet.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Right, dodged the bullets?

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, y, that is Yeah. Sometimes you got to take
advice like that right and be like ooh oh yeah,
even if you feel like you could do it right,
it's like no, no, no, oh yeah, life is too short.
Oh my god, Well be right back.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
All her life, Leanne Watson has done the right things.
Her only ticket out of town is the one scholarship
that goes to her school's top student. All she needs
is an A in history. There's just one problem.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
The history teacher, mister single. She hates me. She hates everyone.
She even hates me. Whenever I walk in the room,
she's lying in wait, just ready to rip skin and
drop loo.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Okay, so then you're out there, you're at icm So
then when when do you get into the Kevin Williamson
world because I so same agent wearing like last summer
T shirt, like.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Big god, he's in Wilmington right now.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, you'sed to Scream seven.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Hello, he's directing it. Oh, now I'm going to go
down there.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
You're gonna go down there.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
I want to go down I'm gonna start crying.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
You're gonna go down Albert. That's amazing. I love it
And how perfect back in Wilmington where you guys were
making don hello he now? Is he from Wilmington?

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Is that why he is from the Outer Banks area?

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Outter Banks?

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Okay, but yeah right right there, so yeah, that's why
he's Oh my god, that's amazing. You're gonna go I
I can't wait over the moon. I'm so excited. Whenever
people are like, you really like, want to watch another
screen movie, I'm like, I'm gonna watch them until the day.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
When they are great? And like I'm I'm I want
to check in with my friends every few years. Yes, absolutely,
let the ghost faces just continue. Oh my god. So
so of course, you know, Scream was huge, you know,
and Kevin Williamson now becomes a big huge.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Huge deal in guy right, so he's he just got
the the with the time. It was called killing Missus
tingle gig. And I saw an email that came out
and I see him from one of the agent saying
that one of our clients is looking to hire an
onset assistant if you know of anybody, And they didn't
say who. And I walked down to the assistant's desk

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and I said, who is this client? And he's like,
I'm not allowed to tell you, but it's Kevin Williamson.
And I said, well, shut the fuck up, and whoever
else resume you're getting, you have to throw out and
you have to get a meeting. I need to meet
this man. He's an icon. And he set up a
meeting for me with Kevin, and I went to the
Sony lot and I will never forget like walking up

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this long metal staircase into his corner office and there's
Kevin in like in you know, kaki shorts and a
white T shirt and we had like the most incredible
interview and basically he hired me on the spot. It
was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Oh my god, this is amazing. And you guys were
probably similar in age, wasn't he pretty young?

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, Kevin was born in sixty five and I was
born in seventy three, So what is yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, yeah right? Wow?

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
So okay, so you basically met him for killing Missus
Tingle before you worked on Dawson's Creek and all that. Yeah,
oh yeah, but this was what ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Ninety seven, ninety eight, Yeah, yeah, ninety seven, Sorry, you're right,
ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Wow. So this was like, yeah, right after the successive
Scream and all that.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yep, and Season one of the Creek had already been out,
so people were losing their minds, and oh my.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
God, I was one of them. Are you kidding? Hell
the w B, Buffy and Dawson's Creek, I mean, are
you kidding? In Heaven? I mean it was only like
what was I when Dawson's Creek premiered? I was I've
talked about on the show with friends that were also diehards.
I was like eleven, So I mean I was young,
but like, you know, I knew about Kevin Williamson, Like
I knew that the creator of Scream is doing a
WB show. Like I mean, sign me up, Glen to

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the screen, Mom, get out of my way, you know,
like so so okay, so then you sign up to
be ye you you basically were meeting him to be
his assistant on killing Missus Tingle.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Is that his second assistant on set? He had this
guy that he went to college with that was like
his main assistant who just wanted to work like normal
business hours, and Kevin clearly needed somebody to be there
until like the wee hours of the morning. What was
scary at shit, but now in retrospect, it was like
one of the coolest things ever. Week one, he said,
I need you to go to wasn't Culver City. I

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need you to go to the Dawson's office and sit
in on the writer's room and take notes for me
because I can't be there today. And the writers are
going to pitch you a lot of story ideas and
just write them down and just come back and bring
them back to me. At the time, I'm like me,
like this guy, the one you just hired, and I
would go and I would sit in for weeks on end.

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At that point, they would bring me in to just
kind of sit there and listen to their what was
going on. I would take notes for him and they
would pitch ideas to me. And I was just writing
this down earlier when I was thinking about it. But
I will never forget Mike White, who would wear He
had these T shirts every that had iron on letters
for every one was said Monday, one said Tuesday Wednesday,

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and he would wear them every day of the week.
It killed me.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Wow, But Mike, like people don't know that Mike White
wrote on Dawson's for what at least a season, maybe more.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Least the season okay, yeah, yeah, And he would pitch
me stuff and he would say, Albert, don't fuck this up. Albert,
you need to tell him exactly like in a joking way.
You need to pitch this, pitch it back to me
exactly like I pitched it to you. And Mike White.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
So, which is common. Even though the show was shooting
in North Carolina, there was where all the writers based
in LA is.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
That yeah, all the rights for in La yep. And
Kevin was still very involved like he you know he was.
He juggled so much and was so hands on and
worked until you know, twelve one o'clock in the morning,
and the minute he would wrap on tingle or even
interspersed within it. He was constantly doing Creek work. I mean,
he was, he did it all, and it was kind
of remarkable for someone like me to watch that. I

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mean it also just you know, his there is no
more creatative, successful person like him that I've ever worked with.
I mean, the guy just spewed story out and could
write a scene that would just blow your mind in
a matter of minutes. And yeah, I would watch it happen.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
It was.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
It was crazy, Albert.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I'm I'm like holding back tears. This is amazing, this
is awesome. So yeah, because because so he's working on
Tingle while dealing, yeah, with Dawson stuff. What else was
he working on? I'm sure he was working on other
stuff too at the time. After that, I think we're done,
I know was done. And then he didn't work, you know,
like I remember hearing he wasn't so involved with Scream

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three because he was busy with these things.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
And then Wasteland, the Wasteland, which we did, so.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, wow, juggling a lot of things, and then saying
with Katie Holmes. Of course, with Dawson and and Tingle,
I guess I guess they weren't shooting at the same time.
That'd be insane, you know.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
But Katie, I have to give it to her. Like she,
you know, of all the cast members would really maximize
that window of time like they were when they were
done wrapped on a Friday, she would get on a plane.
She would fly somewhere to shoot on a movie for
a day or two and then fly back and be
on set Monday morning like they were. She just did.

(23:10):
She did not waste that opportunity. Like and I watched
it happen. I mean, and it wasn't the case with
all of them. I think they thought, well, we're here
and we want to you know, dedicate ourselves to this.
But she did a lot and pulled a lot off. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Oh yeah, this was like she was busy.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
It's actually busy.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Amazing that she's she seems to be like totally okay
now because yeah, all these starletts, Sarah, Michelle Geller like
all and Michelle Williams, like you know, they were all
so busy and so in demand with movies and shows.
It's really wild. Like you know, you hear like Nef
Campbell's shooting Party of five and then screamed to like
on the weekends and like no sleep. It's just amazing.

(23:48):
No one like had to breakdown that we know.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
I know, you know, well, I think about it. She
was young, and I you know, they were all they
were all young. And I think the one thing that
made Dawson's to me so special was that they lived
in a bubble down there. So you're in Wilmington, North Carolina.
You're not in on Sunset Boulevard, you know, see running
into agents or running into other actors, like, you're living
in like a little bubble. And which is kind of

(24:12):
what made that show so magical is that production lived
in this small town and the actors lived in a
small town and they had no Hollywood influence other than
when we would come down there then or when they
would jet off to California for meetings. But it was great. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Absolutely. Okay, So, so did you work on Dawson season
one or by the time you met him? Okay, two
and three? Right, you worked on a couple of seasons?

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, wow.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
So were you on set much or were you more
in la And then you would.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
You we would fly we would fly to set all
the time. And I'm still very close with with Julie
and with Greg.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
And it would be the four legends. Yeah, I know.
Well the three of them, Kevin, God, Julie, Greg and me.
The four of us were constantly flying to Charlotte like
La to Charlotte and then a puddle jumper from Charlotte
to Wilmington like that trip happened a couple I mean
definitely monthly, if not more often. Sometimes it was a lot. Wow,

(25:08):
And we have this Greg and I still have this
iconic story that I will run in Well, i'll get
to the punchline of what he does now. But we
were in Charlotte and we were waiting to fly home,
and Julian and Kevin were booked in first class and
Greg and I were on the wait list, and they
and I went up to check on it and then
sat back down, and then like a minute later, the

(25:29):
woman says, well, Albert b and Keeney please come up
to the gate. And Greg stood up in the airport
and screamed, Brilante comes before being Keenee.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Oh wow, oh my god, that's so funny.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
We and to this day I'll run into people and
they'll say Greg wanted me Greg Borlanty wanted me to
let you know that Burlanty comes before.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
That is so cute. Oh my god. You know years ago,
Greg Borlanty did Political Animals, the Sigourney Weavers show. Am
I right? So yeah, yeah I did that limited series
really good. I worked on an episode just like a
like a featured extra because they were shooting in Philly,
where wow, I'm from. And I remember seeing him and
of course I already kind of knew some cool stuff
he had done and and like, so seeing him, I

(26:09):
don't know if he was directing, but he was obviously
he was in the chair and yeah, he was at
least like eping. That was really cool to see.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Did you see fly Me to the Moon? His latest? So?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Did he write and direct or just direct? I need
to look direct? He directed?

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I haven't seen, unbelievable huge movie. I went. He invited
us to go to the premiere in New York and
it was just mind blowing. How I mean the guy
is Yeah, he was able to pull that off.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
And director Scarlet Apple TV, right, I'll come to Apple
at some point. Yes, well that's amazing. Yeah, great, good
for him. Yeah, is he doing any other TV right now?
I'm trying to remember he's working on so many.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Oh my god, he works. He's got a million shows going, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I'm sure yeah, given moment, right and Julie's I mean
the Vampire Diaries with because Julie and Kevin worked on that,
I think, right, Yeah, yeah, huge, that was huge, fun
to watch, right.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Welcome to the WV Wednesday night to night, A.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
New season begins.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Everything's different now you've got Joey and our friendship but
just can't okay what you go?

Speaker 2 (27:17):
I love them and I want him back American three,
I know. So back on Dawson's So yeah, Kevin was
EP was what was what were Julie and Greg? Were
they writers or producers.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Or Greg was a writer? Greg was a junior was
like what you know, young writer on that show. Julie's
position was at the production company, so she was at
Outer Banks. Okay, she ran development and production, so that's
how that's how she was involved in the series. But
also very hands on and yeah, it was it was
a that was like a it was a very cool

(27:53):
family environment that they made. And then when we would
go to Wilmington, we would like hire a DJ and
throw a party for everybody, and it was cool because
you know, it's when you were in this room where
they would be in la breaking story and to not
see it happen, you know, to be able to fly
there and watch it was it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Oh my gosh, that's so cool. Such a big show,
big deal, huge. So then okay, so you worked on
Tingle first and then jumped over to Dawson's Now Tingle.
Let's talk about Tingle for a second. It just turned
twenty five. What an iconic movie, such a special like,
I know it gets some flak, but I know there
were some changes that had to happen. Of course, in
nineteen ninety nine with Columbine, right, like we're saying, it

(28:31):
was called Killing Missus Tingle for a while, but.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Then it had to be Then it turned into teaching.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Teaching, and I guess you know, as you were, as
you guys were working on it, it sounds like it
was going to be a little darker, a little more
r rated, but they kind to sort of soften it,
of course because of what was happening in the news. Right, Yeah,
what was that like from your perspective with Kevin, I'm
sure there was a lot of pressure and with the
Weinstein's you know, well, I.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Mean during the production it was still it was Killing
Missus single while we were filming it, and I think,
you know, the tone of the show was pretty spot
on the tone of the movie. Sorry, it was pretty
spot on and didn't really change. It wasn't until we
got into post production that that became the issue, and like,
how do we then work with what we have and
do we have to do reshoots? And but no, I
think it was it was so it was kind of

(29:16):
compartmentalized because while we were in the midst of it filming,
none of that was affecting anything. But it was this, Oh,
just Tingle's final exam tempting, isn't it slither away?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Let's go the smartest girl in school caught cheating.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
It'll be scandalous.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Innocent, even the innocent sometimes burn at the steak and
get out of my house.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
That's so fast. What do you think you're doing. You
can't keep treating people the way you do.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
No, don't we stupid?

Speaker 4 (29:50):
Put it down?

Speaker 3 (29:52):
You lose mister Churner.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
And then Helen Mira and my god, what I mean?

Speaker 2 (29:57):
And she was new for me, for kids like me.
You know, I was like twelve by the time this
came out, Like I had seen her in like at
the video store. Like Prime Suspect, like a British Prime show.
But I was like, what's Prime Suspect? What is this?
So she was a little new for me. But yes,
I mean I was just rewatching it and like, I
mean what I mean? I feel like, I mean obviously
uh Merrill as Miranda in Devilware's product. I but I

(30:20):
I feel like she had to watch a little bit
of teaching missus Tingle. There's like some same DNA.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Correct right right? Wait, can I tell you funny Helen story?
So tell me I bought I bought Kevin a laptop.
Like you know, back in the day, Apple laptops were
brand new and Helen was like, what's that, Albert, And
I like, I know, it's Kevin's new Mac laptop. It
was those big like clamshell was that the laptops? Like,
it wasn't the cult ones. It was the big thick
black ones with I had that.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Oh my god, you curved, Oh I like Karen Bradshaw style.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yes, so Helen said she wanted one. So I bought
her a laptop and then I would spend like her
breaks in her trailer with her tea, teaching her how
to use while she's dressed as.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
While she's missus tingle. Oh my god, that's.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Teaching her how to use the slaptop. So put that away,
and like I just so a couple of years ago
or whenever I was at Live, Sorry, no it wasn't.
It was after Live. I happened to be there and
she was a guest on the show, and I had
gone with her with Kevin a few times to see
her and the things that she had been in New York.
And I went into the room to say hi to her,
and she stopped me mid sentences and she turned to

(31:28):
her wrap and she goes, Albert bought me my first laptop.
How do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (31:35):
That's so well, Yeah, you taught her, you were, I
guess updating her into nineteen ninety eight, nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
That's amazing, funny.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I love that so much. Was she was? She awesome
to work with you.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
She was amazing for Yeah, the whole time, the whole shoot. Yeah,
it was a great shoot.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
It had to be so fun because it really is.
It's very much a thriller, but it is a comedy.
I mean, she's got a lot of you know, villainous
dark stuff going on with the lines I mean and
Kevin Williams dialogue, Oh my god, were you reading the
script and just like this is.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Making so fun, right, and like we would get the
sides that they you know, the night before, and I
would always have to get them ready for Kevin to
have and then I would just reread them again and thinking,
oh my god, I just remember every night, like putting
it together his packet, thinking this is just I can't
wait to see her do it. I mean, she's just
an assassin. The woman is.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Even just just just a stare just to glare. I
was like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
From Kevin Williamson, Oh my god, we should give him
mouth to mouth.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
I'm not gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Okay, a wicked film.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Sorry, what do we do now? But she wakes up
for reason with her.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
And then the other three leads, Katie, Barry and Maria.
Oh my gosh, oh my god, Marisa gets to do
so I forgot how much fun.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
She has a lot of fun with it.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Great cast, and she stuck around with you guys for Wasteland, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
She sure did.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
A year later that year, Wow, we had a.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Lot of fun. We had a night I was thinking
of this earlier. Also, we you know, one night we
wrapped early and we all went to this karaoke bar
in Culver City and the whole cast, most of the crew,
Kathy Conrad and like Katie, Julie Pleck and Kathy and
I sang love Shack and we had this like Crazy
fifty two's moment that we've tried recreating like once or

(33:29):
twice more and it wasn't a successful.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, thats right, you can't recreate it. Oh that's so special. Yeah,
what an exciting time. I mean, you know, it's I
said a lot on this show when I have various
friends talking about you know, old movies, especially of the
late nineties, like Team Focused stuff was like the top,
you know, like Yes, and because of Clueless and Scream,
you know, and Titanic. Even with these young young stars

(33:52):
like young adult, it's different. Now we're like, you know,
you get a little bit of everything. Everyone wants to
say everything. But back then, the Katie Holme you know
what she was maybe twenty twenty one, like yeah, they
were the most in demand, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
And the dialogue, you know, Dawson's it was such an
incredible thing to read, this adult dialogue coming out of
these teenagers. Character, these teenage characters mouths and you're like,
my god, it's just And I think so many people
loved it because they felt like, we feel like we're
being seen, our intelligence is being seen. You're not mocking me,
You're showing what I'm capable of. And I just the

(34:26):
show had such an impact on people.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Oh my god, it was. It was a big deal
for sure, and yeah, just an effect on teen drama
TV dramas, right, absolutely, Yes, was Kevin so So teaching
missus Tingle was his directorial debut, So like, yes, you know,
he was obviously a great writer. Was was he stressed?

Speaker 1 (34:45):
You know?

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Was he feeling the pressure at all? As a direction?

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Had an amazing and I'm blanking on who it was.
He had an incredible, deep director of photography that worked
with him, that had done a lot of films in
the past, and they worked very closely on what they
were doing and really spent a lot of time i'm
rehearsing and planning for the upcoming days. And so I
think going into it he felt pretty confident because he

(35:08):
was so prepared. He was always prepared on set. And
then you have an actress like Helen, and then you
have Katie and all these other you know who. You know,
they were young, but they had already done all these
shows and already had so much on set experience. So
it was just a lot of pros thrown into this
environment at once, and you just, you know, for someone
as young as I was to watch it and think, Wow,

(35:30):
they nailed that. I like very few takes and then
they're moving We're moving on. I'm like, that's it's just incredible.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
That's the benefit of doing TV.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Right.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
TV. You know, whether it's a soap opera or a
scripted primetime show, it's not like you have like tons
of days to shoot the scene, Like, no, you got
to get it done in like a week, right that
each episode is roughly a week, So that's me. And
then also just the supporting cast. You had icons like
through the k Fox, Molly ringwal McKean, Leslie and Warren
you guys, I mean got a.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Sit It was major, right, it was pretty major. I
actually got ROLANDA. Watts, who was talk show hosts that
I told you I worked for. They needed a newscaster
to like do some news reporting of something, and so
I called up Rolaza and I'm like, any chance you'd
want to do this, it's a Kevin Williamson movie, not
even thinking thinking that she's gonna be doing us a favor.
And she's like, Albert, of course.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
That's amazing. So I didn't even realize is she So
she has like like a little came.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Like a quick little scene that she's in there.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
I'm like, I'm thinking she's I know. Anyway, that was
my That was my one contribution.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah, oh no, I'm sure you did way more than that.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Do you think every Joey has a Dawson and every
Dawson is a Jeli. I hope.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
So, okay, Jenson cheerleader and Jackson the football team. I
got saying that everyone else went crazy.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
They were casting the first gay character for Dawson's and
I got was was at the office and they brought
the handed me a VHS tape with Curs Smith on
and they said, get play this for Kevin. We need
to sign off and we need to hear what he
thinks of. So I remember driving it over and I'm like,
I need you to come into your trailer for five minutes.

(37:05):
They need to improve this and get the deal going.
So I brought him into his trailer, sat down and
we played Kerrs on the VHS tape in his trailer,
and he was like, oh my god, this guy is unbelievable. Yes,
of course, and then yeah, like I forgot about that moment.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
And that was on the set of Tingle.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, I was on the set of Tingle.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, oh, Albert, this is so cool. Like you are
You're You're just delivering even more than I can.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I'm trying to remember there's anything else I'm missing. I
feel like so.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Is so special. And also like as a kid, you know,
like everyone loved Joshua Jackson, what a babe still to
this day, but like also Pacey was still but like
curse Smith, I kind of forgot, like it took me
a few years a little later in life looking back
at the show, like, oh, yeah, what a babe, and
of course what you worked on season three. So season three,

(37:54):
the finale, if I remember correctly, was the first gay
kiss on TV, which is in saying that it took
so long in the year.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Isn't that crazy? Right?

Speaker 2 (38:02):
We had to wait until two thousand, right, But the
first you know, where we actually see kur Smith kiss.
I forget the other actor's name, but that was a
big moment.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
I mean huge moment, and you were you.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Were part of that, you were you were involved. Oh
my god.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Wow. And I laugh now because you you know, there's
so much talk about casting gay actors in gay roles,
and Kerr was not a gay actor, and he was
perfect for it. I mean he I couldn't think of
anybody that would have done a better job in it,
and and just he brought so much heart and so
much you know, warmth to that role. And I don't know,

(38:39):
it was it was, it was, It was pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Bring up a great point because also at that time,
it actually made the most sense for not a stereotypically
you know, gay obviously gay actor to play that because
it was still as we're saying, like it was this
was the first kiss, you know, gay kiss on camera
in two thousand, So it's like you kind of had
to just you know, pace yourself, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
So it makes sense that.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Someone like him, pretty masculine, you know, would would rope
people in and then you could start to kind of
open the doors for different kinds, you know, actually queer actors, right,
So it makes no sense for sure.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, wow, I want to show you. Yeah, I want
to show you that I can and that I'm not
afraid to.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Woll this Jack.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
No, I know there's people around me who cares, right,
I mean, that's the whole point.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
I finally have the courage to do this.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
For twenty years, she's terrorized her students.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
When I have planned for you is a fate worse
than death.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
This year, they're going to give her a lesson teaching
missus Tingle.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I mean, we just had so much, you know, as
you know on a movie set, like we had so
much downtime, Like I would hang out and be hanging
out with Katie at the at the craft service table,
like shoving pretzels in our mouth, and she was like,
they're gonna kill me because of my outfit I have
to fit into. But yeah, it does.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Have to, you know, just robe her and Barry. I
remember whoa ripping shirts and everything. So, oh my god,
I can Oh you love.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
This, Mark, Wait, this is a great story, a tangle.
I forgot this. I went down to Laguna with a
bunch of my gay friends, and Katie and Barry came
down and stayed the night, and we took them to
the gay bar and Laguna Beach fuck. What was the name?
It was like, was it Boom Boom or was it
the Boom whatever it was? Here we are And then

(40:39):
Katie Holmes and Barry Watson walk into this gay bar
and they the place. The guy's jaws just dropped to
the floor. We're seeing him in there.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
That's amazing. I mean, yeah, they forgot WB stars at
the time. Huge, that's so fun. Yeah, Katie, they both
seem amazing. But yeah, Katie, I just get the vibe.
I mean, you're still friendly with her, right.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Still really good friends. I love that going to her show.
A show is opening soon she's in is she on
right now?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
She's doing our town of course as sick. That's gonna
be so great. Oh my god, I love I love
that she does theater because yeah, she was doing all
my sons, yes, Diane West And this was maybe two
thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, so soon after,
you know, I was I was, uh, you know, in
interning it live. But I was working at Extra and
this was back when she was married to Tom Cruise,

(41:25):
so of course they were the talk of the town.
So I had to I was paid one night with
the extra camera to record, just record the doors and
just get Katee going into the theater and out. I
remember I went to Juniors for dinner. Extra was paying
for my job, so I had to get b roll
for getting out of her car. I mean, the stupidest stuff,
but her going into the into the stage door and

(41:46):
then two and a half hours later whatever wait and
be there with the paparazzi to get her. The dumbest thing.
But I you know, I had to do it.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
It was sorry.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
I was part of the problem probably, But yeah, no,
that's amazing. So you're gonna go see her on stage soon.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
That's I'm gonna go see her. Yeah. We were just
texting the other day because I'm having dinner with a
mutual friend next week and I wanted her to come,
but she's having us. Oh my god, she's busy. So yeah,
we're going to try to meet up, like in a
break of hers maybe this weekend at some point.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Oh my gosh. Well, you know, tell her that we
love her, we have loved her for years, and that
teaching missus Tingle still slaves now, okay, now tell me Albert.
So I know Kevin kind of stopped being so hands
on with Dawson's Creek. Was that like after season three?
Do you remember, like, like what.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
I'm trying to remember what season I had? It was
right around when I left working. Yeah, like it was
pretty I had moved back to New York pretty soon after.
But he wasn't his hands on on the Creek anymore.
He had Wastelands, He had a lot of other projects
that were going on at the time. And then Greg
at Brilanty as you know, became showrunner of Dawson's and
then ran that triumphantly to the end a few more seasons,

(42:56):
a few more seasons, but no, Yeah, Kevin was on
that show for several seasons and clearly, you know, set
the mold for it. And and yeah, I laugh every
time someone brings up, you know, that show coming back
or people trying to rekindle it, and like there's no
world in which here and I mean it's it's it
exists in a period of time that it should just

(43:17):
not be remade or.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Right and that kind of drama at that time, I mean,
what do you do? I guess what it's it's if
we reboot it, like let's say, if it's like a sequel,
what is it now about some of their kids. I
mean I would watch it, but you know that's a risk, right,
Or if you just remake it like what they did
with like Party of Five, and like you know, some
of these shows are just completely remade, that's I think

(43:39):
even riskier because now.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
I mean Scream is like what is there's a clear
reasons and what and why that that can you know,
multiple chapters of.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
That because copycats. Oh yeah, certain things for sure. And
horror is always a little easier to come up with
ways to continue it. Drama that's tough, you know, once
you tell the story in that finale. For I mean, god,
oh my god, I will always associate Jewel's song My
Hands with the finale Dawson's Creek and Poor Michelle Williams Dying.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
James Vanderbeek, Katie Holmes, Joshua Jackson, Michelle Williams, Kurs Smith,
Meredith Monroe, Rittney Daniel.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
They make you nervous, make me confused. I'm just a
girl standing in a janitor's class asking you to kiss her.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
A all new season of Dawson's Creek.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
There was a screening party for the finale at the
sixty Thompson Hotel we rented out the penthouse and we
were all everybody was there and it was we goodbye,
Oh my god, and we all watched it live as
it was happening. It was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Oh my god. Yeah, I remember watching that live. That
was a bit two hour finale.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
I was like, wow, I'm in this is it.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
But nothing beats those early seasons. I loved the high
school years. I mean because I mean and my friend Kate,
who has been on the show, we looked a little
like Dawson and Joey, so in Oh my god, so
many people would be like, oh, there's Dawson and Joey
and we did the place, so like, you know, I
kind of looked a little like him and oh my god.
So yeah, so we were all over that show for sure.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
What's the matter missus Tingle, Are you getting little scared
of yourself?

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Oh no, dear, things are just starting.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
To get fun.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Kevin was the reason I extended as long as I
did if it wasn't for him and that relationship. I mean,
we got very very close, like he and I were
brothers and still are, you know, but we spent every
minute of every day together and it was like one
of these things where I'm like, how do I leave
this job and this man who means so much to me?

(45:56):
And it was a very tough decision. But I'd come
back to New York and gone with a bunch of
my friends to Provincetown and it was literally a weekend
where not one person asked me about work, gave two
shits about what I was doing. And I'm like, oh
my god, I could live like a balanced life, Like
I could live this life where people don't care what

(46:18):
I do for a living and aren't constantly, you know,
asking me about work, and so I.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Get away from it.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Out there, I felt very suffocated out there, and I
will never forget I flew That's when I told you
about that flight that I flew back to LA I
looked at the Hollywood Sign and I started crying. I
went into work The next day. I went into I
said Kevin, I need to talk to you. I shut
the door and he looked at me and he said,
you're moving to New York, aren't you.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
He knew it?

Speaker 1 (46:42):
And I said he knew it. I said I am,
and then I started to tear up, and he said,
listen to me. If New York could do for me
what I know what will do for you? I would
move with you. Wow. And I thought that sentence was
so powerful and it was basically him saying it's okay

(47:03):
and yeah, because I had a lot of I didn't
want to leave him. It was tight.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Oh of course. Wow. Yeah. You know it's so interesting
comparing that time to now because I'm sure now where
we all can do this online and you know, maybe
maybe he could have moved, you know, but back then,
I'm sure la he was just stuck there like that's.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
What he was immersed in them and he needed I
mean yeah, and all the hands on stuff that he
does in the room and you know, pre pandemic, when
the rooms were actual writer rooms, you know, there was
he was there. He was he was very hands on.
He never got and that's what I don't know. I
just admired about him as if he was involving himself
from something. It was really he needed to commit to

(47:43):
being there for it. It wasn't like someone that just
threw their name on a project. It had to mean
something to him and he had to know that he
could be involved with it. So yeah, yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Hey, Rewinders, I hope you're loving this conversation as much
as I am. Here are messages from other fans of
Teaching Missus Tingle, my friends Katie Bruno, Tom Rhodes and
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Speaker 4 (48:06):
Is so Jerry Springer, I just rewatched Teaching Missus Tingle,
and it's funny. I told Mark I hadn't seen it,
but upon rewatch, I realized I had. It's just literally
probably been about twenty five years since I've seen it,
so it was a very fun rewatch. It definitely was
a good time. I loved Helen Mirren. I mean, how

(48:30):
can you not. She is so deliciously evil as Missus Tingle.
Great supporting cast of course our hot you know WV
actors Katie Holmes and Barry Watson, but also a great
supporting cast I forgot Molly Ringwall, Jeffrey Tambour, Vivi k
A Fox, just really great supporting cast. It's definitely a

(48:50):
ridiculous movie with a ridiculous ending. I mean, come on,
they all would be in prison. But okay, let'll suspend reality.
But it was a really fun movie, and honestly, I
have to say I was glued to the screen figuring
out what's going to happen next as I truly could
not remember, so that was good. I just wish there
was more of the supporting cast, because they had such
a strong cast, and I would have loved to see

(49:13):
more of them, and I would have loved to delve
more into missus Tingle's past and figuring out why she
was the way she was. But in general, a fun rewatch.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
The very last true Kevin Williamson movie.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
I just remember talking about this week with a friend
in high school when it was announced, and we were
really excited about it because, you know, Kevin Williamson was
going to direct and he didn't scream, and I know
he did last summer, and we were just pumped for it.
And then of course all the things that happened with
the delays and title change and change up of the
movie itself happened, but we still loved it. I remember

(49:52):
watching it with my friend and we enjoyed it, had
a great time. She mostly went for Barry Watson, not
gonna lie me and eye candy like that, but I was.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Going for Helma Mirren.

Speaker 5 (50:03):
You know, she was like this you know, esteemed actress
who was doing a you know, a light horror thriller. Movie.
And you know, we all liked Katie Holmes, but uh,
but my real joy was seeing some of the character
actors pop up. You know, Vivica a Fox showing up
doing her thing, and of course Molly Ringwold. Molly Ringwold

(50:24):
was in this movie, and every time she popped up
on the screen it was so fun to see in
such a good time. So even though both our parts
were small, I love seeing them on the screen, and
so it was a fun movie. I still enjoy it
to this day. And also let's talk about the music.
Like this music soundtrack for this film is just a

(50:45):
time capsule warts era. I found myself shazaming the tracks
as I watched it so I can play them later.
So that's the impact it has. All this years later,
I still love teaching missus Tingle, well.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Done, Miss Waltz Wow. So then, yeah, you moved back
to New York.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Moved back to her. So then I had as a
no job. I quit my job and I'm like I'm
moving again with nothing on the horizon. And Gina Gardini,
who was the publicist for Miramax at the time where
our deal was said, you know, I'm my boyfriend Todd Phillips,
who wrote and directed Road Trip, is looking to hire

(51:22):
a New York development executive. Do you want? Are you interested?
And I said, wait a second, really and she said, yeah,
he's in LA right now. Why don't you have lunch
with him? He's staying at the Four Seasons on joheany
So I went, Mark, this is such a nutty.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Story, cool, like just one door closes opens bizarre.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
So I went and had lunch with Todd and I
spent the first forty five minutes bitching about Los Angeles
and all I did was ripped the entire city to shreds.
And he's laughing the whole time because he's a New
Yorker and he hates it out there also. I hated
it out there. And finally, like forty five minutes in,
I said, wow, I really biffed this interview. I said,
I'm so sorry I waste your time. You know, I

(52:02):
wish you luck finding someone. Clearly you don't want somebody
as bitter as me like coming into this job. And
he said, what are you talking about? He said, when
can you start? He said, Gina says you're amazing and
that Kevin loves you, and you know you're great Albert,
let me know, just figure it out. Tell me. I'm like,
really you're hiring.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Hey, you're disdained for la your shared disdain.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yes, it's got me, did you get And then I
like set my start date and then I moved back,
and then a month later started working for him as
he was writing Old School and he would send me
pages for that, and you know, and then I was
meeting with writers for other projects. And it was about
a year and a half into that that really similar
thing with Kevin is the business started really pulling him

(52:42):
more and more to Los Angeles, okay, and he decided
that he was going to move the you know, the
company out there. And then, as you know, I was
not way. It was like going back.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
That's so tough because here you are with a second
great guy, huge company. H but yeah, you just knew like,
I'm not gonna be I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
So doing development for him were you? I'm sure it
was a mixture of kind of reading his stuff and
then reading scripts from other people for him to produce
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yeah, exactly a lot of several things that we were
trying to get made. And as as we talked about earlier,
that lengthy process of how long things take to get
And one of what we did do is there were
a lot of SNL writers at the time that we
were talking to that had some really great feature ideas
that we were trying to develop it, and we were
really tapped into that whole world. And Todd remains, you know,

(53:32):
someone that everybody wants to work with and it's such a.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Cool He's a bigger than ever and it's funny because
now he makes dramas, but back then Billy crazy.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
You know, very very popular. And I still when I
whenever I run into him, it's like this moment of like,
oh my god, Albert and Todd like and it's but
yet he's one of the most sought after directors now it's.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
It was just at Venice, right, I think with Joker.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Too, we just can't wait to see it.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Oh, it's gonna be huge, are you kidding? Like huge?
It's already iconic. So then okay, so he so he
you know, you have to quit. Unfortunately, so did you?
Did you? Is this where you kind of fell into Live?

Speaker 1 (54:13):
This was the fall into Live three weeks stint which
got it, which ended up groping me in Kell and
then within I would say the first few months of
being there, it was very clear that Kelly was my
person and I was her person, and we got very
very tight.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Oh my god. So yeah, it's probably been what twenty
years of working two thousand and two, twenty two years? Right, Wow,
that's amazing, Albert. Yeah, I have to say, it's so
cool hearing your story because you have been able to
really collaborate and befriend like really cool, interesting people for

(54:49):
like long periods of time, you know, especially Kelly of course,
but yeah, you really kind of like found amazing creators
or characters, right, and stuck with them for as long
as yeah, you know, you were able to suffer I
mean loyalty.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I mean, listen, these are people that I'm still, like
I said, very close with and you know, every time
Greg comes to New York, I see him every time
I'm in LA. When I go to LA, now, I
don't ever stay in a hotel. I either stay with
Kevin or I stay with Greg, because otherwise I don't
get to see them. Like then you're you know what
it's like, Yeah, you're out there working.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Yeah, you guys, like maybe a couple of texts, but
it's like you never get to really see each other face.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Like we shut our Work Wife pilot for ABC a
couple of years ago, and I was living in Greg's
guest house and there I was coming home from work
and he would text me say, I'm ordering us Chinese
food now, and then we would eat Chinese food and
watch Rachel Maddow and then like barely speak because this
was just You're one of your closest friends.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
You're just yeah, you're like family.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah, work Wife sounded great with Christopher Gorham, right, yes, yeah,
I love him from Popular from a ton of TV.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
So okay, so yeah, you do live? And when did
Melojo Darkest? Because Kelly company Melojo for years now, so yeah,
did they come to you? Was it sort of a
group idea? How that form?

Speaker 1 (56:10):
So two thousand and seven, Mark and Kelly did a
documentary that ended up airing on ESPN called The Streak,
and it was about a high school wrestling team that
had a thirty four year winning streak and they hired
this incredible director to go down and shoot and they
were three quarters of the way through shooting it and
they lost the streak while they were filming oh geez,

(56:30):
and it made it into the dock and it's one
of the most incredible scenes of any documentary I've ever seen.
And then the rebuild of this team and the people
in this environment, it was just an amazing feat. So
that doc ended up going to Tribeca and then it
ended up airing on ESPN, and then out of that,
Angela Shapiro, who was one of the ABC executives who

(56:55):
helped cast Mark into All My Children, came to them
and said, listen, you guys are producers. Now I'm working
at TLC and Discovery. I'm the general manager. Would you
ever be interested in us doing some type of overhead
deal so you could really beef up your company? And
they said yes, and they negotiated that deal and it

(57:15):
was really they were giving them money to really start
like ahead of the company and the development slate and
bring in reality shows, docuseries, anything that would fit under
the TLC Discovery umbrella. And Mark came to me and said, listen,
I know you were from development before. Would you want
to go back and here's the opportunity? And holy shit,

(57:37):
it was like, really, this is the most incredible offer.
But with that came this fear of leaving, and again like,
how am I going to leave? Live? Like this is
a place that no one ever leaves? And then Kelly, Kelly,
when we talk about it years later now she still says,
you were at the top of my pro and my

(57:57):
con list. How do I like the perfect person for this?
But also how am I going to live without you
on set every day? I mean, Mark, you understand it
because you were there. It's there's a rhythm in that place,
like this, this person opens the door, that person walks through.
Two seconds later, this person says this, and when that's
thrown off, people are like, wait, what just happens? So

(58:19):
I was a little scared to do it, but it
was an opportunity that I of course had to say
yes to. And then I moved over to the company
and started running it in two thousand and eight. Wow,
which has been amazing.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
And so many shows, docs, specials. I mean, how a lot?
How many things do you guys make a year?

Speaker 1 (58:38):
What you say? God? It theres There are certain years,
certain years like we'll do like four or five projects
and little ancillary ones. Then there are years we'll focus
and we'll just do like one or two. It really
oscillates a lot. I will say the strike definitely slowed
everything down. I mean last year, Oh yeah, it kind
of put all the brakes on so much. Finally, now

(59:01):
we're start to see we're starting to see more of
an uptick in sales. Like we just sold a half
hour to Hulu that we're very excited about. We have
like a and that we're in production on Kelly's podcast.
We have the bunch of true crime projects that are
that are going so yeah. Which, by the way, I
that whole genre is true crime.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
God, it's not showing any signs of slowing down like that, right, none.
That's great. So like some some kind of docuseries about like.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Real crist We did a docuseries called Exhumed that basically
every episode and exhumation like helped solve a crime. And
we would do these we were it was crazy, and
then we would have to like recreate these coffins coming
out of the ground. And we were shooting all of
these interviews with people and like you know, and a

(59:53):
lot of it was during the pandemic, and we were
doing these as remote shoots where I'm on an iPad
and the subject is sitting somewhere else and we hard
local camera guy and a mask that was sitting, you know,
fifteen feet away, and we pulled it off. It was
it was crazy, but the reaction to it was I mean, yeah,
and I think I've never seen Kelly happier a true
crime is like her. That's great.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I was just there's a show called Fatal Family Feuds
for Oxygen that's shooting in the bus near me and
I was just able to cast some actors to for
recreations and it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
No way, I did that long.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Ago for celebrity ghost stories. So much fun, like having
these creepy ghosts and stuff. So yeah, any true crime stuff,
it's I mean, how can you not have fun, especially
with you with you know, with with Kevin Williamson's history
and all that. It's just like, you know, so yeah,
lots of things. Out of all the great stuff you
guys have made together at Malojo, what are some of
your most favorite, because, like you said, some serious, some

(01:00:47):
fun you did, like the Fire Island show. I remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
I was just going to get to it. I was
just gonna when you said that no one in their
right mind should ever shoot a show in Fire Island
where there are no road, where there's no infrastructure, and
you're now putting a bunch of camera guys and the
whole crew in the pines where nobody wants a camera

(01:01:09):
in their face and you're now trying to pull off
a dock series. It was. It was wild. Yeah, it
was wild.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
And we also went into it like, you know, there
was so much more I wanted to be able to
do in that show, Like I there were we had
inter sit down interviews with these guys that have been
living on the island for like forty to fifty years
and then like you know what life was like back then.
But you know, it's a logo. It was a logo
doc series and they wanted it to be just about
these guys, right, so we peppered in a few scenes

(01:01:38):
here and there, but holy shit, it was it was,
it was. It was just a wild ride to produce that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I justine, Yeah, oh my god, no rules, Wow, no rules.
What other big things over the years do you did
you love or or maybe not love, but like big
moments in your career?

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Well, Generation Gap was a huge one. Kelly's game show,
I will say, and getting to do that with MGM
and you know, watching Kelly in that genre who it's
so clear that you know she is, that is just
her sweet spot. And you get these you know, these
grandparents and these grandkids and they just see Kelly and

(01:02:16):
they just like light up. And it's and the comedy
that's inherent in that because of Jimmy and the whole
I don't know how much you've watched it, but like
at the end of every episode, we do this Toddler's
choice where the little kid, the little kid has to
pick like the brand new car or like a Barbie dreamhouse,
And often they would pick the Barbie dream house, and

(01:02:37):
you're like, this is so fucked up, but this is
great television.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
It's so great. Well, it's so interesting now because of
the last year's writer strikes. Yeah, have you noticed, like
the networks like ABC and other like, at least you know,
broadcast networks seem to really be leaning on more game shows,
reality less script did, less expensive you know, residuals. It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I didn't realize this until recently
when we're really digging in. But like a lot of
these shows are shot overseas, Like there's a lot almost
all of the Fox game shows are shot in Ireland.
That's because the tax and centives in Ireland are like
fifty percent.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
It's so interesting. So that's why all these dating shows
are like on some exotic.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's all about chasing the tax incentive lately.
And I just think these you know, New York and
la unfortunately can't compete with you know, Atlanta. You know,
you can shoot something down there for a fraction of
the price. So yeah, it's just interesting how and especially
a contained show like that that just exists on a
set that you can shoot anywhere if you'd shoot it in,

(01:03:46):
you know, and it's you know, you're not needing to
be outside, there are no exteriors, and you can pull
it off anywhere for a fraction of what it will
cost any of these other shows to get made. So right, yeah,
yehow yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
So interesting how you you know, sort of star and scripted,
but then you've really like completely dove into reality unscripted
docu and are you here to stay you think? Or
do you and talk? Do you think you will eventually
do some more scripted stuff again or what do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Well, we're we definitely, I mean scripted is always like
what gets us super excited. And like I said, we
sold this recent series and we have another show that
we just sold to Amazon, and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
You need it. Well, I guess I was about to say,
you need to tell me, but you don't need to
tell me anything but Mexican Gothic, right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Mexican Gothic is that we're still holding It's a holding
pattern right now. A lot of a lot of those things,
you know, just take forever to get made.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Yeah, I believe it, but no.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
I mean it's to us. It's it's one of the
things that you wish could happen faster. So you have
to have all this other you know, you have to
keep the doors open. So the reality and game and
all this stuff. I mean, those things bring in money
and they're very, very immediate. So yeah, we would say
we split fifty to fifty of our development is scripted

(01:05:03):
in the other fifty percent is nonscripted. And it's fun
and that listen, I will say this cooking right, Yeah,
you're always showing up to work not realizing which hat
you need to wear, and then throughout the course of
the day you have to change hats and you're getting
on calls that for shows that have budgets that are
nine times what the podcast was that you just spoke

(01:05:24):
about on the earlier Zoom. So you're never it's very Yeah,
it's cool and I kind of love it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Wow, And you're probably still I mean for someone who's
been doing this for so long where you've learned a
lot of things on these different jobs, you're probably still
learning things that you're then applying to the next show,
the next gig.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Always wow. Yeah, we're in the middle of it doing
a sports stock right now that we've not done before,
and like, I'm just learning. It's it's just crazy, like
the whole world of you know, of shots and things
that you're like, it's just fascinating to me and I
and you know, tried to. Our goal is to like
hire showrunners to come in and run these things so

(01:06:06):
that you know, and you always want people that are
better than you that you can learn from to be
in those positions. And this one guy that we're working
with on the sports doc, I am like just in
awe of him and I just want to So yeah,
that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Goal doing doing development for Malojo. Yeah, you probably have
a lot of meetings with showrunners and dps and writers
and all and produce, right, all these people to try
to you know, hire your team and get that going.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Like the zoom I had before
this was with the with a feature producer in La
about a feature film that we are developing, like and like,
but that's we're not going to see you. You'll be
talking about this with me and like, yeah, you know
five years when it comes out. But yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Isn't it crazy how some things just take forever and
then other things you just shot it like two months
ago and it's already like Errington, Yeah, like it's weird,
how right?

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Wow, Well, before I let you go, tell us a
little bit about the podcast. So you're working with Kelly
on a podcast. I've been doing it now, what a year?
Has it been?

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
A year?

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Two seasons? Two seasons?

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Okay, let's talk off camera, right, let's talk off camera.
It's so fun. I just can't believe Kelly still has
the energy to do her show of course, do live
and then do a podcast where she's talking more I
mean her voice.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Mark she and it's the real I will never forget.
When we were talking about doing a podcast, it was
like an immediate thing right out of her mouth. Some
of the most amazing conversations I have happened backstage at
an off camera, like right when we're in a commercial
break exaid, but those don't those never make it to air,
and the lengthy ones no one ever gets to hear,

(01:07:39):
so why don't we? And it's like, so, I mean
that alone in the podcast form is as you know,
is gold because there's a reason. Yeah, there's like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
An extended you know, because a lot of these guests,
like I was just listening to the Teresa Judice one
because I'm a I was fan, but like she was
just on live right, so that's kind of almost like
part one. But then yeah, part two. The real conversation,
well not real, but you know, like the the more
in depth conversation is, yeah, your show is so small.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
But like yours, like you having like talking about milestones,
and like there's a reason, like you're giving your you know,
your show has a reason, Like her show has a reason,
and I think it's not just a random she just
wants to sit in her son's bedroom, which is where
our setup is. Oh and interview, Oh my god, and
interview people, Like there's a real reason she wants to
do it, so she gets excited about it. And as

(01:08:26):
you know too, I mean, we'll we have a clock.
We can't it has to be under an hour because
it airs on Radio Andy and it has like a
time slot. Okay, so we have so, but often we'll
be doing interviews with some people for like ninety minutes,
two hours, and you're like the whole time, like, how
the fuck is this going to cut down to it
to an hour?

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Like a two parter? Do you ever?

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Yeah, We've had a few, like Goldie Han. We're in
the middle of Goldiehn and I looked at jan Let,
who's the greener, who's the producer, and I'm like Jan
She's like, yeah, this is a two parter.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Oh of course, how do you cut that down? Oh
my god? N oh yeah. You you always plan for
like an hour, right, but if the if the person
you're meeting with is a great and you have time,
why stop, you know so?

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
But I'm also fascinated to buy how different it is.
And I know you I'm preaching to the choir because
you do this. You can edit podcasts so seamlessly, whereas
TV or at least Kelly's podcast because it's audio only.
You could take you could take words out. Yeah, you know,
Kelly loved her. Her goal, as she's always said, is

(01:09:28):
to get is to get paid, to work off and
not have to be in hair and makeup. So this
is like, I believe this is her. We've we've we've
given her her dream job.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Yeah, she's like, please, you don't need to know, right,
that makes sense. I totally get it because every day,
you know, oh, every day make up. Yeah, it's amazing
every day. Any any guests that from the podcast that
you like really want to shout out that people should
listen to any episodes, Oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
God, I do that. Josh does a Josh Gad episode.
I think it's the one next week, and I tell
this story that I don't care giving it away, but
in the beginning of it, we do a little bit
of chatter and I had gone to and we were
talking at the beginning of the episode that I had
gone to fight a parking ticket in sag Harbor, which
I had never done in my entire life. And I
walk into the courthouse and I sit down and I

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watch this whole proceeding happening in front of me, and
I hear the judge say, did you hear everything that
I just explained to you, mister Timberlake. Oh wow, And
it was literally justin Timberlake's arraignment, like whenever that was
over the summer. Wow. So that's we get into that
whole thing, and you have to hear Kelly talk about it.
It's really fun.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Oh, that's so fun.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
But Josh has a great interview. Coleman's mingo, Like, we've
done a lot of really cool ones lately. Yeah. Henry Winkler,
my god, like an icon of course.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
And is it are you booking guests as jan You
have a.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Whole little tea right, we have a talent booker that book.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
That's amazing. Oh my gosh, guys, good for you. That's
so cool. Oh, it's so funny if you I mean,
jam probably doesn't remember me, but I just remember she
was pregnant when I interned. She was she was the
skinniest pregnant woman I've ever seen in my life. I
remember like we were like she with.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
A basketball with it all the time, right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
I was like, how is that possible? Because you know
in the suburbs, you know, everyone just gains some weight
when they're pregnant not Jan Wow, Jas impressive, feels like
walking around the studio the oh yeah, how is that happening?

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Right? So she's loving this format also, and I think
she's also seeing you know, because when you're when you
produce celebrities on live, you know what it's like. There's
five talk points for this segment, there's three talk points
for the next segment, and you're very limited to what
you can get into and now and Jan as you
are a huge Housewife fanh so like anytime we have

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them on, she like lights up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Yeah, I could just hear those ladies just it's just
so fascinating. I could like hearing Teresa's. I mean, I
don't even I'll cut this out. I don't even love
Teresa like you know, but still I just love the
househouse that It's just always a fascinating chat. Good. Well,
I'm the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Downloads, I mean, as you must. I mean the downloads
for those episodes are through the roof. Oh oh yeah,
people go. I mean with Jan's like, we need to
be booking more reality like Bravo people, because there it's the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
I bet if you guy just get Ariana from vander
Pomp and yeah, that's gonna be a huge that should
work on getting. You know, Oh my god, I can't imagine. Right,
that's so cool. Well, it's what also is so cool
is it's another medium that you're adding to your career.
Because had you ever really done audio radio? Pod? You cool?

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
We did a series actually for Audible, a scripted drama
that is, or a drama dy sorry, that's coming out
in October that Kelly and Mark are starring in and
it's really.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Cool audio plays. I think that is so cool, you know,
because it's great. It's so old. They've been around for years,
but you know, they kind of got less cool, but
now with just yeah right, they're cool again. So what's
it called.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
It's called Summer. Yeah, it's called Summer Breeze. And it's
basically this woman who writes this feature film and takes
it to this hot headed TV hot headed producer a
La Harvey Weinstein type, that type of person who ends
up stealing her, who ends up telling her that it's
not going to get made, and then steals it and

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puts his son's name on the cover as the writer.
And then so this actress and then the star of
this soap opera, Summer Breeze, who was also burned by
this guy years ago, decides to create a storyline on
the soap opera basically about this this psychotic producer and
he catches wind of it and they try to take
him down. So it's great, that's really great, really good.

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And Mark plays the producer and Kelly plays the actress
of the soap stuff of the soap series love it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Is it going to be like one long.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Thing or is it ten episodes? Episodes?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Oh, this is so fun. This is so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
It's going to be great, so smart.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Oh that's awesome on audible next.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Month, Audible October, Yeah, next month. I forget the launch date,
but okay, we just got told it's coming out in October.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Nice. Oh yeah Audible.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Yeah so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
I love that stuff. I just listened to like a
whole Vampire Slayer uh sequel audio play they just did
with a lot of the returning casts, Like that is
really cool. So I'm glad you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
I'm amazed that the sound effects that they can do,
the work that that whole I mean that to me
blew my mind because I was there for all the records.
And then you listen to like the one of the
scenes has them in Odeon a restaurant downtown, and listening
to it, I was like, oh my god, they're in Odeon,
Like it's it's just unbelievable the work that those people.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Do absolutely right. I mean, that's a whole other art
that people kind of ignore sound, even in film and
and you know TV you kind of ignore it. But
it's like obviously hugely important, huge sometimes more than camera.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
I think, yeah, you know, like yeah, because it could
rip you right out of it if it's done if
it's not done.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Right, absolutely, and if it's not and mixed correctly, it's
going to be like what and it takes you right
out of the story, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Yeah, Wow, Albert, Well I kept you late. I'm so sorry.
Oh my god, No, No, it was amazing. I'm so grateful.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
I'm so happy to see you again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
This is so cool. You are so cool. I'm so
happier you made the time. I so appreciated, Albert.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Let me know when you're in New York, please, oh please?

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
So fun. Yeah, and I got it. I got to
reach out to Kyle and maybe because what would you
do shooting right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Now Kyle's Vegas Loungejack parody that if you're in it's
going to come to the Gangs Aport in New York
in October. They're going to do a one night only.
It's called a Touch of Vegas. It should definitely be seen.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
And it's just two actors. It's Kyle and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
And Kyle and his Jenna Ryan, who is his partner
who he went to USC with. They played this washed
up Vegas lounge duo who get kicked out of their
hotel because it's being turned into a Hooters. And they
they now come they try to make it in New
York on Broadway and it's just funny. That's a great one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
And they wrote it and are starring in it. And
do they direct it as well or do they have
a director?

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Oh, and it is tight. It is a tight ninety minutes.
And you should have seen the reaction in LA and
like all these people who and they have these big
producers now, these Broadway producers that are are really working
with them to try to figure out how to parlay
it into something great. Yeah, how long.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Is it playing at the Gangs of Wort?

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Do you know it's going to be a one night
I'll send you night, Okay, it's going to be a
one night at the Gans of Wort and then one
night at Bay Street Theater next weekend. But yeah, it's
going to be a grace.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Oh yeah, we got to keep our eyes off for that.
That could be so fun.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
But no, and then let's talk off camera is you know,
is a big deal for us. So I'm glad that
you and then you're into it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
It makes it makes perfect sense. But like I said,
I'm just like, wow, Kelly just fills up her days
because I mean she's done that doing this. But like
you said, I mean she's been doing it for years
and she's a professional talker, so it only makes sense
to continue that the stories, you know, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Yeah, I mean Mark people just love her. I mean
the like even the talent booker who books for Kimmel
and books for all these other shows. Yeah, it was
like Albert, I get yes is for her when I've
gotten notes from people like because the trust factor.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Yeah, she's been on the air for so long and
she really is so cool. Like when people asked me
back in the day when I was working with you guys,
I was like, oh, no, Kelly's cool, Like she is
so cool. I remember she almost. She kind of asked
me to dog sit one of her dogs. Back then,
we both had shit sus my parents had Chew Chew chewy,
probably right, and but it didn't work out. I'm sure

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someone told her like, you don't really want an intern
you barely know this guy. But I was just so
excited that, like in her dressing room, She's like, would
you dog sit over the holidays? I was like, mom, dad,
I might not be coming up. I might be dogsitting
Kelly Repper's dog. It didn't work out, but just the
story alone, I'm like, amazing, you know so well.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Thank you so it internship as you know, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Absolutely, kids, I hope you're listening. In turn, you never
know you might be producing something with Kelly Ripple one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Day, right, my god, yes that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Wow. What a great time with our special guest, Albert Bianchini.
Thank you Albert so much for taking us down memory lane.
What a career. Wow. Thank you, and thank you Julia
from Molojo Productions for coordinating our schedules and helping me
set this up. Thank you Julia, and thank you all
out there for listening to this episode of Release date

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