The Breakfast Club (40th anniversary)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hi everybody, I'm your host, Mark J. Parker, and this
is release date rewind. If you're a movie lover like
i am, well you're gonna have a great time with
this podcast because we celebrate milestone anniversaries in film. Thanks
for checking out my show on the straw Hut Media
Network wherever you get your podcasts, or watching on YouTube
if you're new here. In each episode, I like to

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bring on a friend or two or three to discuss
a movie we love for its special anniversary. And we
have such a special movie from a special filmmaker to
talk about today. When you think of eighties movies, this
is one of the most famous, at least in my mind,
and its formula has been copied and admired for decades.

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This classic movie is The Breakfast Club from writer, director,
producer John Hughes, and it just turned forty years old
this month. So grab your friends where your eighties character outfits.
And if you'd like to watch or rewatch this movie
before listening, you can rent it, or you can borrow
it from your library, which would be very appropriate for

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this movie, or I'm sure you can find it on
some random site. All right, brains, athletes, basket cases, princesses
and criminals. Settle in and no monkey business because it's
time to rewind. Okay, everybody, I am so happy to

(01:39):
have her back. We've already chatted for like ten or
fifteen minutes about all kinds of amazing things. Welcome back
to release date. Rewind my longtime friend Jackie Rene aka
Jackie ran Dazzy, back when I knew her in high school,
back in the day, when we were sitting in the cafeteria,
not in detention, but in study hall. We've talked about
it before. Hijack.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Hi, thanks for having me back.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Oh my gosh, I'm so glad you're here, and thank you.
I was just thanking Jackie before we recorded for jumping on.
This was wasn't really planned for long, this great movie.
This anniversary kind of snuck up on me already. So
once I posted and you said, oh my god, I
just happened to rewatch this, I was like, you must
do this, you must come back. And she's here. Yay,

(02:23):
thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Thank you for having me. This was such an important
movie to me, especially in high school. When we were
in high school, like it was a write of passage,
so exciting that.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Oh yeah, it's such an iconic movie, right, And I
think I first saw it obviously we weren't alive, not yet, Yeah,
a couple more years, but yeah, I must have. I
didn't rented it. It was definitely on TV. I don't
know what channel, but like it's something about like a
group of teens, and I wasn't a teen yet. I
definitely was probably like middle school. When do you think

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you first saw it?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
So I actually saw a picture. I had a subscription
of Cosme Girl, and I saw a picture. Yes, I did,
taken it back. That magazine doesn't even exist anymore. There
was a picture and it had like a bunch of
like Rocky Horror and Breakfast Club and it was just
the picture of them sitting on the railing. And that
was the first I had ever known of it. And

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so I was probably like middle school. And once I
saw it on TV, like you know, T and T
or AMC or whatever channel was always playing it, I
was like, well, I have to watch it, and I
fell completely in love with it. And for the longest time,
I only saw it cut for TV because I taped
it off of TV, so I never had it unedited.

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So when I finally got a DVD, I'm like, oh,
there's actual swearing in this.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Oh yeah, there's there's some big swearing. I meant some bombs,
we get some f slurs. I mean it was eighty five.
I mean unfortunately, you know, I even forgot after seeing
this so many times in my life, although it had
been a long time since I last rewatched it, I
forgot it's righted R. I look at it at the poster.
I'm like, wait, that movie's righted R. I'm like, oh, yeah,

(04:07):
oh yeah, we're getting dark and we're saying some f
us and yeah, for sure. Yeah, I probably now that
you bring up TNT, I think you're sorry. I think
that's probably how I discovered it as well. And I
can't remember, for the life of me, what did I
watch first? The iconic season one Dawson's Creek episode which
I've talked about on the show where they're in detention,

(04:28):
which is a total homage to this great movie. I
don't know if I saw that first or the Breakfast Club.
I knew no matter what, I knew that like that
was the Breakfast Club episode, But you know what, you know,
I just don't know if I saw the full movie
by then, because that was I think like fifth or
sixth grade for us. So you know, I don't know
what came first, but I definitely combine both of them

(04:51):
in my mind, and not another T movie, which of
course lovingly pokestpun at this movie, you know, which is
also a great movie.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
And there was the Lizzie MacGuire pisode The Lunch Bunch,
which I've definitely watched this first, and then I was like, oh,
Lizzie McGuire, you know, like, you know, they're doing to
take on the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's really cool. And I remember that was like eighth grade. Wow, Okay,
I didn't know that one. Now I got to watch
it and you might have seen the lunch Bunch was
apparently the original title, right, So how perfect that they
took that love it, love it, love it well. Before
we nerd out more about this movie, because I'm so
happy Jackie's here to talk about the Brat Pack, we
were just talking about Demi in the substance as she's

(05:34):
on her rise with awards, and yeah, you were mentioning like,
not only did the Brat Pack have these five stars,
these teens, right, but we had Demi. We had Andrew McCarthy.
Who else was in it?

Speaker 3 (05:48):
There was some like bratt Pack adjacent people, So.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
You write like John Cryer right, like John.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Cryer, mayor Winningham, rob Low I definitely think was like
in in the brat Pack, and you had like Leiah
Thompson was kind of brat Pack and Jason and because
she was in the movie with Eric Stoltz the sometimes
so I think Mary.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Not who was in who was in that one with them?
Not Mary Stuart Masterson or I think it was her.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's Mary Stuart Master and Eric starts
in the yep yep.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
So yeah, those were like adjacent. I would say, like,
because this movie's kind of like core brat Pack, would
you say.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
I mean, this is who the brat Pack was, so
the brack Pack. Have you watched the Brats documentary.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
The one that just came out recently that Andrew McCarthy.
I haven't watched it yet, and now I'm kicking myself
because hello, everyone, I should have watched it before this.
I heard, I heard it wasn't so great. Did you
check it out?

Speaker 3 (06:44):
I did? I did, and it just kind of cemented
my opinion on Andrew McCarthy a little bit. I'm not
I'm not his biggest fan.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Wow, I don't know enough.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
About Docky Team Docky.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Ok. Yeah yeah yeah, uh huh.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
I'm sure he's lovely in person. I just I find
his characters a little grading. And you can see that
he puts some of his self into these characters, I guess,
and he comes off a little little grading, a little
awkward when interviewing people because he tends to talk over them.
So if that was a you know, feedback that you

(07:20):
got from anybody else, that's one hundred percent accurate. But
it was really insightful, if anything else, just to hear,
especially from Demi Moore, how that impacted her, I mean,
aside from her being one of like the highest paid actresses.
Like once she finally hit it big and you know,
Ghost happened, and then you know, a few good men

(07:44):
and then Stripty's happened and she basically after g I
Jane kind of like tanked a little bit, which is
so crazy.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Back then, how like how her career really shifted and
it's like, I mean, we were going to cheat.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
A woman in a position of power. She was making
a lot of money and people didn't like that, and
I think that it just shows that going back to
the Brat's documentary, one of the things that I noticed
is that even in talking to the guy who did
the article, so this whole thing came about because it
was a profile on Emilio Estevez, and so then he

(08:22):
started kind of picking up all of these other actors
that were in that circle because the article came out
when they were doing sat Emu's Fire, so he was
in direct contact with you know, Demi Moore and Rob
Low and these were all really really talented people that
were on the rise. And this guy was like, you know,

(08:45):
pushing thirty and sounded really really bitter in this article
that he was talking about these kids that are just
like the Brat pack Moniker was. It felt like a way,
even when he was like apologizing quote on quote, it
felt like it was a way for him to diminish
the efforts because they were younger.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Oh wow, oh way, yeah, it's a peg, right, because
this group was so successful. I mean, these movies that
John Hughes made with these young people were so huge.
But yeah, I felt I feel like even in hindsight,
because you know, we weren't there at the time of
their you know, newness, they've always been kind of knocked
down a bit. But it's like they obviously were successful,

(09:28):
you know, so people liked them, people saw themselves in
these characters, So why kind of like there were just
certain people that I feel like have sort of thrown
some shade at these at these movies.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
And it's you know, their whole career. So it's like,
even as to me more got more successful, I feel
like there was just more ways to kind of like
keep her down because she was like, oh, she was
just a member of the brat pack that got lucky,
you know, Like that's how I kind of interpreted it.
And same thing with Jamilio Estebez, like, oh, he's just
another before we knew what a NEPO baby was, He's
just another nepo baby, you know. Right on Martin Sheen's

(10:00):
success blah blah blah blah, when he had talent all
in his own.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Totally Oh yeah, I mean I know, Charlie Sheen, we
know is cuckoo and Emilia is kind of cuckoo.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I'm so like confused and annoyed with him that he
didn't do the short lived Mighty ducks like Disney Plus
show because of like he didn't want to get vaccinated.
It's just like, oh my god, like okay, whatever, right anyway,
But no, those those you know Sheen boys are they

(10:33):
were talented. I mean the whole Sheen family, so you know,
I mean someone.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
And even Judd Nelson. You look at interviews of him
and he's so self possessed, and it's just you wonder
if like all of you know, the little microaggressions that
were kind of thrown at them over the years and
had the career director trajectory that he's had, you know,
if that you know, had an effect on him because

(10:59):
he was incredibly well spoken. He was an amazing actor. Honestly,
one of my favorite parts about this movie is what
he brings to it, you know, so.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Sure, oh yeah he is to me out of the group.
Bender is the star. Jud Nelson is the star, and
he's the villain. I mean, we know, the villain is
the man the school the fact that Vernon, yeah right,
Vernon is totally but but you know, Bender is kind
of another villain, just different motives and different things he wants,

(11:30):
you know, So yeah, I rewatching. I was like, man,
you're like really awful, but I love you.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, well that's you know, it's so complicated because I
feel like I am an actualized person, you know, as
we approach our forties, is like I actually know who
I am, and like I just remember what I was
like in high school and I would have one hundred
percent fallen for all of his bullshit and even still

(11:59):
unlike God, you appeal to my bassest instincts, like I
am has like bender, the way that he is being
played has ADHD. He's like he's frantic, he's you know,
saying whatever intrusive thought comes into his mind. He's always

(12:20):
touching things and running around and he's like he's loud and.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
And his different voices, like I had laughed out loud.
I completely forgot. When he's in the playing basketball and
Vernon's like it over here, you know, and he says
and he has a he's a weird.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
I was like kind of grossed out with myself because
I'm like, girl, you know better, he's a walking red
flag and you're so charmed still like.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
There he looks good, good skin, which that in hindsight,
I'm like, now his skin can't look that good if
he's the criminal. He's got to have a little bit
of acne star like something. He looks too good by.
That hair is silky smooth. It's like I want Vender's hair.
I'm like, why didn't I just get a haircut because
I want to grow it out like Bender. You know.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, it's that floppy hair that everybody had in like
the late eighties early nineties. And I think that broke
us because even like the Don Blue cartoons that we
were watching as kids, if you look like Anastasia Tightening,
like all of them had like the floppy hair.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Oh yeah, I loved it. Are you kidding? Oh my god?
I loved it. And I was gonna say, is it
coming back? It's not, because now everything's like the mushroom,
weird fluffy mullet and like all these teen boys have
this strange cloud of hair now, and I'm like, no,
I'll bring back.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Like when we were seniors in high school, everybody had
that weird like Jared padilaky like long flippy hair. It
was really bad.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
It was not good at all. But I mean Jared
Petal like he was so pretty and it was just like, sure, yeah,
that's the thing to do better than in middle school.
Everyone happened the ramp exactly, the flip ramp, the wave
and it was gelled. It was so it was like
the hard ramp. It was just you could skate right
off that thing. Right. Everyone looks so good. Everyone is
so cute and young. But like the hair on the

(14:21):
girls is just so eighties to me. It's so like I.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Love Molly Ringwold's hair, like I it is.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
It works so well.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
It's so beautiful and so bouncy. I you know, living
in Florida, I don't have.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
And you're always more beautiful. You've got gray hair, girl,
both the color.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
As I'm freezing out right now, like.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Don't look, You're like, this is a filter.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
But I have no volume. The volume on Molly Ringwold's hair,
I'm like, that's the volume that I've wished for, like
that Chryln Finn kind of like.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Bob where it's just it's just like staying up and
it looks effortless, right, and it's like we'l see and yeah,
it's yeah no matter which way she flips her hair.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
But Ali, Shety's hair is what my hair looks like
when I chop off all my hair in high school,
I don't want to go back there.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
That's so funny. I don't really remember you having ali
sheety hair. I my memories of you, of your look
in high school. I feel like you always had your
hair back. Would you say like you often? Yes? How
to go back?

Speaker 3 (15:26):
I was told that I looked like a Flamenco dancer.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Because will be right back.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
From John Hughes, creator of Mister Mom and National Lampoon's
Vacation and writer director of Universal's Sixteen Candles, comes another
yet the breakfast Club.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
I was texting some people the other day and I,
honestly Jackie could not remember. I was like, did we
have lockers in high school? I feel like I would
lock my lockers? But where was my locker? Like? I
had no memory? I remember maybe freshman? Like, here's my question,
do you remember did we have the same locker all
four years of high school?

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Did?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah? We did? Okay?

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Did so? It was the same combo too?

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (16:14):
I remember exactly where my locker was. It was so
far away from my freaking home room.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yes, okay, so I bet our lockers were probably because
P and R we were we were near each other.
So okay, now I remember because I thought that was
maybe just freshman year. I'm like, did I have a
locker senior year? So that was all four years. It
was all the way like at the end of the building,
almost like closest to like the middle school, do you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (16:36):
So I was in the Spanish hallway, so you were
probably in my hallway with me.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
I think most of our grade probably was over there.
I remember there was lots of light coming in. Yeah,
like it was, you know, but it was just so
far and it was near Spanish class. Yes, yes, yes,
I forgot it was near Spanish class. You're right.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
But then you and I think were we in the
same homeroom or you were in because I think are
cut off?

Speaker 2 (16:58):
We might have been. I can't remember. I know, I
can remember all the peas near me where we sat,
I can't remember. And oh, Becky Reid was in my homeroom,
so you must have been.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
I'm like we were because we would talk about like
partial five.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
I like I feel like, if I remember correctly, you
were like just to the right of me over there.
I think it was like that like behind me probably yeah,
right near you, because I remember, you know why, I
remember good old Becky in homeroom because sometimes she would
wear Sailor Moon outfits like complete cot and I just
remembered that, like, wow, okay, first thing in the morning. Okay, hi, Hi,

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Sailor Moon you know. So yeah, she.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Went to Japan on it like exchange right, and then
she came back and like could speak Japanese. I was
so impressed.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Oh yeah, I remember. I was like, whoa, you really
are so advanced.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Like you're so talented. I can't like even keep up
with my friend. This is amazing.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
I know, I know, but yeah, with Party O five
that brings me to And we've talked about this before
on the show. But so Jackie and I were never
inttention together. I don't know if I really I can't
really remember. I'm sure I was in attention a couple times.
Did you ever get in like never a Saturday?

Speaker 3 (18:06):
I did get a Saturday, but I talked my way
out of it.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Oh my god, this is amazing. This is even more
perfect that you're here. Okay wait wait wait wait wait, okay,
you got to tell us everything. Why did you get
a Saturday? What was it for? What? How? What year
were you? Do you think?

Speaker 3 (18:21):
So it was sophomore year I got caught cutting because
there was this little hallway and I, you know, I
was just you know, a misanthropic teen, and you know,
like I was very angsty. Again, this is why this
movie was like made for me. I was very angsty.
Nobody got me. I was kind of feeling on the
outside of everything, and so I would just you know,

(18:45):
do shit, agct up.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
And so.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
There was this little hallway that nobody ever went down.
It was in between the stairwell and then the emergency exit,
and it was just this weird, little like white entryway
and I would just hide out in there and I
would draw in my sketchbook, and I would like read
books and stuff. Or I would go to the girls
room and put my feet up on the toilets and

(19:09):
nobody like him scream that I was in there.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
And I got caught the one time.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
By the vice principal. So it wasn't Argo, it was
the guy that replaced him, like the generic looking white dude.
He was bald and he had a white beard.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Oh my gosh, Wow, I forgot about him. I can
picture him, but I can't remember his name. Wow. So
he caught you, had he seen you a few times
and then he caught you or he just like you
think he just saw he.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Just caught me. And I was like, I'm like, I'm
just having a really bad day, you know, like got
me some slack like I was, and so you're.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Like, I'm sad and like people are mean to me.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
So basically what it up happening? It was I got
a Saturday, and then I talked to my math teacher.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
I was gipping her.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Class, and I'm like, well, I talked to whatever his
name was, and he said, if I served two consecutive
detentions after school for you, that we could waive the Saturday.
And you know, yeah, and so I made it up.
He didn't say anything. I made it up. And so

(20:27):
I told her, I'm like, look, he says that as
long as I you're okay with it, as long as
I can serve those two detentions and you write it off,
then we can wave the Saturday. And so she reached
out and he was like, yes, Jacque Linkin, you know,
instead of a Saturday, please let her serve two after
school detentions directly with me, and then you know, I'll

(20:50):
sign off on this. And I went back to him
and I'm like, so, whatever her name was, I was like,
you know, we'll just call him Missus Anderson. And because
I have no idea what her name was, Missus Anderson
says that if I serve those huge attentions with her,
if you could waive the Saturday, you know, I kind
of told her what was going on, and you know,

(21:12):
as long as we're cool, and he's like, yeah, whatever,
get out of my office. I got bigger things to do.
It kind of and I talked my way out of
a Saturday detention. So I've never had a Saturday because
I got created.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Oh and it worked out. They never talked about it,
so that's rare, or if they did, it must have
just been like, yeah, are you cool with it? Yeah,
I'm cool with it. Like oh my god, Jackie, you
are an icon. That's amazing. That is amazing. We're out
of applause for being so smart and clever and fast.
Do you have to think of this quickly? Wow, that's
how you do it. Everybody fake it till you make it.

(21:48):
Two parties make it. They don't need to write, they
don't need to talk to each other. You can just
be the middleman and you are in control I love it.
Oh my gosh, that is amazing that right, there is
a social clip right now, if you're okay with me
blasting right, that should have made its way into Breakfast Club.
That would be such a great that one of these
characters would have, for short done that. Bender would have

(22:09):
done it, or at least tried to. Somebody would have
tried to, right. I don't know if he would have
had the he had too much of a reputation. They're
onto him. But maybe someone like Claire right even set
for long together. Yeah, he'd be too proud, boastful. And
then it's like, oh, yeah, it is now seven six.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
You have exactly eight hours and fifty four minutes to
ponder the error of your ways, any questions.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, as barry Man alone, know that you rate his wardrobe.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Now, everybody, we're going to rewind. We are going to
focus on the Breakfast Club, which came out forty years
ago February fifteenth, eighty five. Now, this is what was
going on. Jack y'all set the scene for us. You
you shut out whatever you think about these things, just
to sort of place this movie in our memories. Right,
So this was back in the Ronald Reagan administration. The
top song was Hairless Whisper from George Michael and Wham,

(23:03):
followed by the number two song I Want to Know
What Love Is by Foreigner That was the number two
most popular song on the Billboard chart. And get this,
Whitney Houston's debut album had just dropped the day before
February fourteenth, nineteen eighty five, so just right, Oh my god,
can you imagine what a time that had? That had?

(23:25):
Oh God, Now I'm blanking on all the songs, but
lots of big, big ones.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
I mean, I want to dance with somebody.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, and oh god, hold on, give me a second. Well,
I know, of course, exactly, thank you.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
We're not going to try to sing with this voice.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Oh yeah, just mess forward this part.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
I gotta I gotta work on my pitch.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's it's just impossible. But I mean, what a time
for some of these big songs that we've heard. On
the TV side. The final episode of The Dukes of
Hazzard had just aired on TV, so that had just
come to an end in February. Kind of a random
time for a big show like that to end, But
I guess who knows. I'm sure with contracts and you know, yeah,

(24:05):
they're probably like, all right, you're just gonna have a
shorter final season. Who knows, right. But so that was
a bigger thing on TV and other popular movies that
were out at the same time, Beverly Hills Cop that
was number one, Eddie Murphy of course, Witness with Harrison Ford,
The Killing Fields, and Vision Quest. Now, I admit everybody
those eighties movies I just mentioned. I've heard about them

(24:25):
for years. I've never seen anything.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
You've never seen Witness.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
I've never seen Witness, and I really want to. I
feel like Carol out among.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Them English You've never seen Witness.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
I know, an Amish country basically our backyard. I mean, yeah,
it's why.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
I'm a brand of parking garages. You have to.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Watch all that. Yeah, parking garages are scary in a
lot of Pelican brief scream four cursed, Yes, yes, yeah, interesting.
I didn't know there was a parking gross scene. Oh,
now I really have to watch. I love good parking
garage scenes.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Well, and Patti Lapone is a it for all of
like five minutes. She plays Harrison Ford's sister, and she's
like got all the attitude in the world and the
worst haircut in the world. And like, Pattie, I'm trying
to like place why you had this haircut like my
whole life. I'm like, she is a beautiful woman. What

(25:21):
is this hair?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, I wonder if maybe she'd cut it really short
for a roll or for a wig, and it was
maybe in an odd length or something.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
It was a mullet. It was a straight up mullet,
so maybe she had to cut it for like so
it would fit under a wig. But like she wanted
to be fun and funky, and it was like.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Okay, I already wanted to watch and now I'm like, okay,
let's urry this up so I can watch Witness. That's cool,
that's really cool. Yeah, I got it. I got And
Beverly Hills Cop. I'm it's crazy because I think I've
seen like Beverly Hills Cop three on HBO and so
I've seen some. But I'm just like, that's such a
classic movie. I cannot believe I've never seen it.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Is a classic. It's worth it just to have it
in your pop culture lexicon. But I rewatched it recently.
It doesn't have the staying power that like I watch
coming to America every Christmas. If you're gonna pick an
Eddy Murphy movie coming to America is well, I think too,
because you're getting from like Lisa's perspective and the really
isn't a female perspective to be had at all in

(26:22):
Beverly Hills, cop and I find that more and more.
It's like in our current climate, I like to see
a dual perspective.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Mm hmm. Yeah. So those were popular movies and incomes
The Breakfast Club. So Jackie, I'm gonna throw it over
to you, as I normally do, in your own words.
It could be whatever you want. It could be short
tell us for anyone out there who somehow has not.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Seen you've been living under a rock.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Geez, I mean, are you okay? Tell us in your
own words? What is the Breakfast Club about?

Speaker 3 (26:53):
So? The Breakfast Club is about five kids who get
a Saturday detention and even though they're from vastly different
socioeconomic backgrounds and different you know, high school casts, they're
able to come together and find commonality amongst themselves by

(27:14):
you know, sharing their problems and you know, sharing their
hopes for the future. And yeah, no, to break it
down the way that they have it. There is a princess,
a jock, a basket case, a nerd, and a criminal
I don't know if a brain brain, and that was

(27:36):
an a criminal, and they're able to kind of get
past all of those barriers that are kind of keeping
them apart in their everyday lives and come together by
the end of the movie.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Absolutely. And I don't want to bring it up now,
but since you did bring up the end of the movie.
In my adult late thirties point of view, we were
going to, yeah, you know what, we'll say, we'll say,
we'll go in order. But I just want to let
you and everyone know the ending. I don't love it.
I don't love it. I love this movie, but the

(28:08):
ending is so easy, so cute, Like I just feel like,
who was I think it was universal. I just feel
like some studio was like, hey, in the ending, can
you actually like let them all like get together or something.
I just felt make it yes, yes, And I'm like
I have see, yeah, okay, good. I figured I have.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Such beef with this ending, and in general, I feel
like this was just what you did. I rewatched Speed
recently and I'm like, Sandy, Sandy, you knew him from me. Day.
I understand we all want to suck face with Keanu Reeves,
but you're rolling around than the rebel girl go out
to dinner first.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Ridiculous, But hey, she was under a lot of stress.
I mean, she just needed support, she needed a release.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
But like with this, I feel like you know just
and again I it's with male writing too, and I
don't mean to keep bringing it back to that. I
get very, very better when I look back at movies
and I find that they don't have the staying power
with me.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
If it's really like, egregiously.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Like male writing, Like you can tell the writer was
writing from a male perspective, and now we make them kiss,
and it's like, as a woman, I'm like that shit
would not happen, like right, even in my Like I
admitted earlier that I one hundred percent I was buying

(29:32):
what John Bender was selling and probably like okay, would
have sucked face, but I would have yelled at him
a lot more and really aggressive, and I would not
have sat on the car and made out with him
in front of my dad. I would have like, I
am I'm shocked. I'm shocked, like behind the building, hit

(29:53):
him in a closet.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
And I'm like, I'm like, for real, John Hughes, I mean, amen,
rest in peace, Like what a what a God? But like, whoa,
You're not even gonna have I thought, for short, let's
have dad say like what are you doing with him?
And have Claire say like shut up, Dad, or like
just mind you. I don't know, like there's not even
gonna be a quippy little moment. She just gets in

(30:17):
the car and they about.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
A brain, a beauty, a juck, a rebel, and a recluse.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I can't believe this is really happening to me.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Before this day is over, they'll break the rules.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
There's like extended scenes and when you go into some
of the stuff that got cut for Claire, she was
like she holds up a paper and like, my parents
ignore me basically, and this is my dad, okay, honey, nicely,
you're home. My wallet's on the counter. And then her

(30:57):
mom's like, are we going to Saint Saint Bart's And uh,
it's like, you know what, you can go to Saint
Bart's by yourself, and she said, no, I'm gonna take Claire.
And it's just like it's a back and forth between
the parents and they kind of ignore her, so I
can believe that the dad is like, you know, somewhat disassociative,

(31:19):
but he's not blind. You're sitting and like full on.
And the scene is longer too. If you again, if
you watch those cut scenes, it's like there's a whole
extended conversation that happens before they just this cut is
much better than what they had because he's like bossy
and he's like put your coat down and like really

(31:41):
going in, like and it was way grosser than what
they cut to with like the really romantic music and everything.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Oh wow, geez yeah, Like I don't even love. I
know we're jumping around, but I don't even love when
she goes into the like closet where he goes back
in to you know, protect me.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
That I find more because that you would do with John, That's.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
What you would do. But I still don't like it
because I'm like Claire.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
No, no, it's terrible and you'd feel like trash after.
But at the same time, it's like that I can
get because you're like, you're it's mutually short destruction. You're
both using each other, and I like it would be
it's just Red Flag City, But I get it. Because
it's like, no one will ever believe you that we

(32:30):
hooked up in this closet, and that's more of what
I see with her personality. So I have I have
something that I think would be fun for us. I
think before we wrap up, there was I read that
John Hughes initially before I everything kind of fell apart

(32:50):
with his relationships with the you know, the actors in
this movie. He wanted to do a breakfast club every
ten years, and he wanted to explore their lives as
they age before we wrap up. I am dying to know,
Like what your take on that is?

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Wow, I love that because.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
I've got some kind of dark takes.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Up because I would have loved that. Yeah, where like
if they.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Go this way, here, here's what could happen. If they
go this way, Here's here's what could happened.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Then, Oh my gosh, that's so interesting. I would love
I would have loved that because it's like before Sunrise.
I just talked about that on the show, like, I
love it where we can, But I'm part of the problem.
I do like a sequel. I like to see my
friends again. I like to you know, especially if it's
been a long time. Let's see him get older, Let's
see what's changed. Right, that's interesting. I have to think
about where they all could have gone, because yeah, oh god,

(33:47):
some things could get darg not a.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Happily after situation. And I'm like, I I in high school.
I related to the line like when you grow up,
your heart dies because I'm like, yes, adults don't understand
what I'm going through. That is one percent true. And
now I'm like, I have this very dark day where
all these kids have ended up, and I'm like, did
my heart dive? Am I just a bitter old one?

Speaker 2 (34:12):
You're like, wow, Okay, that really happened to me? All
right here, I am. That's so funny. Wow. But speaking
of the group, let me now, I'll just tell everyone,
great little summary there, Jackie. Now I'll just tell everyone
where everyone kind of was what they had just done
previously in their careers. Right, So of course we're mentioning
John Hughes, writer, director, and producer. He had written this
a couple of years earlier, but then had written Sixteen Candles,

(34:34):
which I've talked about in the show, and that was
actually his directorial debut, so he made that one first,
but this was his second film, so he had just
done Sixteen Candles with of course two of the five kids,
Anthony Michael Hall and Molly Ringwald. It's so funny. You
probably saw Molly Ringwald. I guess at first was going
to be Alison the Mute, you know, basket case, but

(34:55):
I think she was. You think that would have been
more fun.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, I been playing for her. I think this was
more of a challenge because I think that Mollie Ringwold's
like kind of a fun little freak, Like she was
really into a lot of the music that we have.
Her and John Hughes vibed because they were both like
into all of these The reason why we have all
of this like an English new wave music in these

(35:22):
movies and now you've got kids out in the Midwest
that are listening to like Oingo Boingo and you know,
like Spando Ballet is because that's what like Molly Ringwold
was into. She was definitely like, you know, like a
cool little freak and that is so cool.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
More of a challenge for her, Yeah, yeah, I see that, Yeah,
because she's she fits the role really well. I now
can't really imagine anyone but her in it, right, because
that it's just all so memorable. But I do kind
of feel like, yeah, she was Alison, it would actually
show more of her range, you know, there's less to say.
But yeah, So anyway, so she was she was really

(36:00):
hired to do that at first, but she was so
upset and I guess I really told John. I guess
they felt very close already just after the one movie,
and she's like, I don't want to do that, and
she got the studio to, like, you know, have her
play Claire. So she kind of got her way, which
is pretty impressive because she was still super young. Maybe
she was eighteen, I mean not even I don't think,

(36:22):
because sixteen Candles, she wasn't illegal eighteen.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I think No, she was actual sixteen.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
She really was sixteen. Yeah, so she was still very young.
So good for you, girl, But so he had just
done sixteen. With those two, we have Amelio Estevez, who
is just so good as the jock, as the athlete,
Andy Andrew, he was just in The Outsiders Classic another
eighties absolute classic, and Repoman. We have the great Judd Nelson,

(36:49):
who we'd been raving about. He was in Rock and
Roll Hotel before this, and Ali Sheety was in War
Games the year or two before this, so everyone was
kind of on the rise, you know, some had done
more than others. But then you're lightning in a bottle
with this cast, right do you love? Like, does anyone
in the cast not work for you? Uh?

Speaker 3 (37:10):
No, everyone is perfect. Just there are some moments that
I wish that Anthony Michael Hall didn't always go for
like an elderly black man impression when he.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Was trying to be cool.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
He was in this movie and it happens in Weird
Science where he's.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Like, yeah, like like.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Darvin, you can't do that.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Smoke that's we Oh yeah, there's there's a little bit
of that. A few of them do that in this movie.
I caught, you know, like little lines here and there
that have a affectation that you're like, huh okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
I just meant even like even when I was back
in high school, I'm like, you are not cool doing that?
Like it was just it was cringe. I guess it
works though, because Brian in his everything is very cringe character.
But I know, I think everything one works. And Ali
Sheety out of everybody, I think, like, I mean maybe

(38:18):
equal to jud Nelson knew her character if not more
like she really got what made Alison tick and a
lot of her suggestions. So similarly to Sixteen Candles, John
Hughes wrote this in basically like two days, and because
sixteen Candles he wrote in a weekend, and he was

(38:39):
just like turning these scripts out and he but he
wasn't precious about his work and was really receptive to
the cast giving suggestions that whole like the end confessional scene,
which is just framed beautifully. I love that, yeah, and

(39:00):
everybody is because it almost looks like they're in like
little huts because they're like sitting underneath the chair and.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
They kind of have like their own like they're a
little cubby.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah, and it's very like it brings it back to
childhood because they're sitting on the floor. It's very vulnerable.
Like it's just one of the best scenes in the movie.
And he allowed them to add lib why they were
in detention, and a lot of the back and forth
between all of these characters was ad lib by the actors. Wow,

(39:35):
and just any suggestion that they felt like wasn't within
their character. Ali Sheety in particular, was like, no, like
when everybody's smoking pod, She's like ah, someone do that,
and which.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Is so interesting because I would think she kind of would,
like the people who do it are kind of surprising
to me, you know, which.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
I like, I feel like you would expect Alison to
do it, and but she's a liar and she's probably
never like, drank vodka a day in her life. No.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
I love when when he's like, what's to pick, what's
your poison? She just goes vodka like wherever whenever. Oh
my god, yeah, maniac. I think this was the first
time I'd ever heard that word. I think I learned
it was.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
This was the first time I knew what I info
maniac was. And yeah, and she's like, I've never had
sex either. I'm also a pathological liar. That makes me
think that she's never smoked day in her life. She
never drank a day in her life. She's she was
like me. She was a little suburban kid that wanted

(40:46):
to act out because she felt on the outside of things.
And like, you know, as opposed to Alison, I had
a very lovely, supportive home life, but like you know,
adults didn't get me. I was like, especially since I
was diagnosed with add they would always like they didn't

(41:09):
know how to deal with like attention deficit or any
of that, and would make you feel sort of less then,
so I'm dealing with that too, and that would like
I would act out and do some of the weird
shit that I've done just because, Eh, you know, I'm bored.

(41:30):
I get why Alison does, why she what she does,
but I think that she's a total phony and wouldn't smoke,
wouldn't drink, wouldn't do any of that.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
They are their souls.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
I'm an informaniac.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Your parents areware take some chances.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I love that Ali Shedy was able to have this
kind of input on her character and all again, like
weird shit just to get attention, like smashing up all
of the uh crunch and the pixie sticks.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
She's got the weirdest lunch I've ever seen. I mean,
oh God.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
And the dand Drift and everything Drift.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
I know I was gonna say, I know you might
with a record.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
I've never done anything that disgusting.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Okay, good. I was gonna say, she can be your
spirit animal, but no, no, forced Dan Drift.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
I mean, I've desperately wanted to be Claire, but I
was definitely more of I mean right down to like
the dirty chucks and the weird like grandma rockabilly skirts.
That's what I was wearing, not shoudy, but that's more
of what I was wearing high school.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
It is so amazing, how yeah, like she's got such
a style and like even though we were growing up
about you know, fifteen twenty years later, we were that
age that we knew people. I mean you were one
of the you know, we knew people that would have
some of that same style. Yeah, and like you know,
the dirty, the dark, you know, the weird, the baggy. Totally.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
I've got pictures of me with eyeliner that's like down
to here as it is said. As it stands now,
I'm somewhat of a reformed high school like goth adjacent person.
I still wear quite a bit of eye makeup. But
it was bad, like.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, it was well back then, like you know a
lot of girls really did like the skunk guys, like,
you know, just like.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
It was like the Angloreen smudget. Yes, and I look
like a raccoon. And when she's like, I like that
black shit under my eyes with the most egregious, awful
movie makeover of all time, with the stupid milk bow
in her hair. I'm like, she looked beautiful as.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
It was, I know. And going back to the ending,
Jackie I agree, I'm like, Okay, maybe give her a
quote unquote makeover because it's the eighties and it's a
teen movie and someone's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
In her hair and call it a day.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, just yeah, And where did these clothes come from?
Was Claire wearing that under her like what? Right?

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Like it was Alison wearing that under the giant Grandma
sweater like, okay.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
For the is this pink like dress? Right?

Speaker 3 (44:00):
It was like a pink camusoul and it was belted,
which all right, by all means queen, yes, belt give
yourself a waste like love that for you. You can
still be fashionable and be edgy, but like.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
And show a little bit more skin like you know,
that's oh you know, But where did this come from?
If anything? I'm like I even made a note in
my phone I was watching. I was like, couldn't they
have like just quickly like snuck over to like the
theater wing and like pulled, like you know, gone through
some clothes or something like that maybe would.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Have made sense, right, But like you know, get her
a pair of like petal pushers from when they did
Grace or something.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Right like where she could still look a little weird,
but it's like this other side to her, which is cute,
But I just don't like how Andy is like then
so enamored with her.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
I'm like, right, and what that one always struck me
as like when I was in high school. I'm like, Okay,
I get it, like or at least looking back on
myself high school of why I accepted it. Because we're
all just filled with hormones and want to hook up
with everybody and like that shit happens. Okay, cool, but
as an adult, like gross, it's gross.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
It's think think, like take another second and just think how.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
She washed her hair.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Probably not oh d oh god, I know, I know.
And also I'm just like, where did Claire, I mean,
you got like kind of like a blowout girl, like
your hair is now like poofy, but like straight, like where.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
From no amount of backcoming unless she had that much
grease in her hair that Claire was able to use
it to tease. First of all, brave of you to
go in there if she was literally and I guess
they use parmesan cheese, which is even grosser. The fact
that Ali lets someone put parmesan cheese in her hair
for her to shake out. That's just wow.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
That's a crazy trivia. Oh my god. Okay, Wow, they
only met once.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
I don't want to be alone anymore.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
They don't have to be but.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
It changed their lives forever.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
And I could see you guys my friends not wrong,
am I. Yeah, there's so many gross things with Ali,
shady and food in this, like in the deleted scenes,
she's eating Dorito's on a toilet. It's nice because in
that same deleted scene, she goes past Vernon's office and
they're like, girl, get your ass over here. When they're
like it is an extended part of when they're running
around the school and she's just like fuck you to

(46:35):
Vernon and he doesn't see and he's beating on the
sona machine and Claire's like she's nuts, but she's cool, Like, oh,
I liked how that extended their relationship. I liked the
conversation that they were having when she was doing the makeover.
I liked the relationship building, but how it was executed again,
I think it's just it's the failure of a male

(46:58):
only perspective when writing female characters. It was nice, but
like girls wouldn't do that. It'd be like, you know what, girl,
let's just like brush your hair and you know, I'm
gonna take this beelt, I'm gonna belt your sweater. There
you are, you look beautiful, and then they know what
got together?

Speaker 2 (47:19):
And she would talk up Yeah, exactly, amen. I know
if anyone out of the two couples, and I say
that very loosely, everybody like, no one's sticking together. But
I who do you like together more? Andy and Alison
or Bender and Claire, if you had to choose, I

(47:41):
think I kind of like Andy and Alison. There's a couple,
but they need they needed a bit more moment.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
More chemistry. And it's like I understand that. You know,
they had that moment when they were up in the
upper floor of the library and they're talking and even
Andy says something that like is one of my absolute
favorite lines. You know, we're all pretty bizarre. Some of
us are just better at hiding it, and that's really
stringing up throughout my entire life.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
I agree with that statement. I think everyone is so bizarre.
Everyone is so weird. You just are different levels of
weird and you just kind of hide the real weird
in different ways. Right, Yeah, I can't.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
I literally, if I am disgusted, if I am like
terrified or really happy, you're feeling a little bit of
shot and freuda all here, it's all in my face,
and like, I can't hide that, and so I've always
kind of beat myself up about it because I can't,
Like I'm just weird. I just am who I am.

(48:44):
And like remembering, like especially now as an adult and
kind of having that reminder, like hearing that line again
when we were watching this, I'm like, God, I think
I needed that because I questioned myself sometimes I'm like,
am I just too unpalatable for the average person?

Speaker 2 (49:02):
But I know what, Yeah, even still all these years later, Yeah,
you kind of still question yourself. And I mean even
as an adult, I mean, you know yourself more, you're
more comfortable yourself, but it's still not easy making friends
or you know, dealing with coworkers. Still. Yeah, you're kind
of still often kind of comparing yourself to others, which

(49:23):
sounds worse than it is, but we all just kind
of naturally do it. So I hear you. Yeah, but no,
you are very palatable. Don't you worry?

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Thank you? But like, yeah, I just I think that
they are a less Alison and Andy needed more time for
their relationship to develop, but they're less toxic than then.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Just like a couple more conversations, right, they just needed
like maybe two more because they you know, they have
the hallway thing with the vodka and there's like, yeah,
I mean Brian's there when she dumps out her bag,
but and they're high and you know, and then there's
just not enough between them.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
You know, it's like, don't worry about it. Everything's cool.
Like she does want to talk about it. That's why
she dumped the bag. And then they have uh kind
of a heart to heart and that's sweet, but it's
not enough for me. But I do think that if
they chose to pursue it, there is a better chance
for them to have a normal, healthy relationship. He could

(50:20):
bring on, you know, Alison out a little bit so
she's not like, you know, meeping in a corner.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
It's got one of the one of my favorite moments,
the most memorable moments for me, is when she just
goes and then puts her head on I mean so good,
so like bizarre. I had never seen anything like that
before on film. I'm like, what is this character? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Or when she just added like a out of completely
nowhere and it's like.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
They all like, look at her. Yeah, weird. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I think that he could bring her out a little bit,
and then she could bring him down to earth a
little bit and give him away to you know, I
don't know, because she doesn't really talk to her parents.
I'm walking this back a little bit. I'm like, oh, well,
maybe he could kind of like stand up his parents

(51:15):
a little bit, but I don't even know if she
has the capacity to give him that, or even just
maybe being supportive and not interested in him solely for success.
Maybe that would give him enough of, you know, confidence
in his own agency that he would be able to
speak up to his parents and kind of push back

(51:37):
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
I don't know, Yah, totally, Yeah, because she he obviously
we know he has major issues with his dad, who
wants to always push him to be the best. And
then she says her parents ignore her, right, So yeah,
they both don't have the healthiest relationships with her parents.
But I don't know, I do like them together, but
there's something missing, whereas with and with Claire and Bender.

(52:01):
Don't get me wrong, I like when they're in the
closet together, but I don't I think it should be
almost like a will they or won't they? Like, yes,
I don't want to see them actually kiss, but I
want them both to want to. But then they're like
pulling back at different times. And then at the end
they could just kind of look at each other and
be like, see you around and maybe eventually it'll happen.
But it does not need to happen.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
I like that much better.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
I don't think it needed to happen. I think that again,
it's sort of that wish fulfillment that you had in
these eighties movies, where like why even with Sam in
sixteen Candles making out with Jake Ryan like on top
of a cake, like you barely have, like you've barely
spoken to each other.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
It's just this like wish. It's fantasy. It's basically it
turns into fantasy. You're right, you're so right.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
And I think in a movie that's so grounded that
really feels like a stage play like this, it kind
of takes you out of it, out of the seriousness
of it, because this is pretty rare that we had
a movie with young people that didn't really have like
wildly comedic beats and was completely not grounded in reality.

(53:08):
Like if you look at sixteen Candles compared to Breakfast Club,
I know why people prefer like Breakfast Club to or
prefer sixteen Candles to Breakfast Club because Breakfast Club is
more serious, it's more grounded. Oh yeah, I think it
takes you out of it a little bit to have
that sort of like wish for filment. Oh it's an
eighties movie. Let's have them hook up, you.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Know, right? Yeah, because this movie gets heavy. There are
heavy moments, like we were saying in the some R
rated language, like it does get you know, a little
I don't want to say disturbing, but dark at times,
but then it's so fun and so funny, and then yeah,
we have a little bit of wish for filment. That's
a perfect way to say it. With this whole the Makeover,

(53:48):
I just wish Alison. When Alison gets her makeover, I
kind of want her to be like, all right, can
I make over you now? And for Claire to be like, huh, okay, sure,
it's been a weird day, why not, And like for
them both to kind of swap places that could have
been kind of fun, where it's just like an experiment,
you know what I mean, rather than let me fix you,
Like that's you know, that nothing that needed fixing. You

(54:12):
all just agreed that, Like she's a weirdo, but we
like her and like she's herself cool, so what are
we doing fixing her? And then also in that same moment,
I don't love how Claire pushes the essay writing onto Brian.
I'm like, girl, can you relinquish some power please? And
like maybe you know you should be writing the essay,
you know what I mean? Like I just didn't love
that poor Brian. I wrote my notes. God, poor Brian.

(54:35):
Now he actually he's always doing the work, you know,
and he's all alone, you're right. And also I thought, okay,
it's even though it's eighty five, why do we not
have one person of color, even just a mixed race,
I mean, so white? And also another quick thing, why
is no one queer? And I'm like, all right, I
guess maybe Brian's gay or bisexual or something.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Maybe I don't for him because it would have been
an extra layer of like, Okay, I can't come out
to my parents. I can't. I need to be successful
and they have all these expectations of me and then
eventually to marry a woman and like give them grandkids
and stuff. And it's just like that would have added

(55:16):
so much more dimension to his story and so interesting
that you bring up the diversity thing. And I know
this came up when you actually talked about sixteen Candles
and just the egregious examples of inclusivity that we've had.
John Hughes just writing what he knows, and what he
knows is a very white suburban existence. And unfortunately, at

(55:42):
that time in that you know area of Chicago with
the like segregation, you had segregation, you know, desegregation happened,
and then what the school districts did is they basically
resegregated again. So you had like school districts that were

(56:03):
almost exclusively African American or white. So it's like you
may not have had more than like one black kid
in your class because of how the lines were drawn
and where the districts were.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Okay, so it's like I get it, but it isn't great. Yeah.
So yeah, that's interesting because then so that tells you like, actually,
this kind of is what this group would have really
looked like. But still, you know, and move is so
do you want to be as authentic as possible or
do you want someone I mean, Brian could have easily been,
you know, or like I mean the athlete I mean,

(56:41):
And still this is not this is not like something
to push especially right, Like you know, the athlete character
could have totally been black and that would have been
a stereotype in itself, but like, do you know what
I mean, like there could have been just something. So
I'm like, but I say that a lot about movies
we love from the past. It's like, oh no, and
really white.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
But you know, I'm not about a racing history. I
think it's important for us to acknowledge that the lack
of diversity, the lack of the you know, just the
diversity in the cast, the diversity in the writing teams,
the you know, just the visibility of you know, the
people of color, and having someone who was part of

(57:22):
the LGBQ community, like these were people that were severely
marginalized in these really iconic movies from particularly the eighties,
was really homophobic and really really basis it's just like
we don't want to gloss over our history, but at

(57:46):
the same time we have to be able to in
current cinema. We have to be able to offer something
for everybody. People like, you know, if you were gay
or you know, a person of color watching these movies,
you had to identify with somebody who didn't look like you.
And at me growing up like suburban white, this woman

(58:10):
like I always had somebody to look up to in film,
Like there was always somebody that was available to me.
I had a Disney princess that looked like me, Like
the simple things that people are all up in arms about,
like even today, and it's like, oh, you know, we're
pushing diversity and inclusion. Yeah, wasn't it nice like when

(58:32):
you had people that you could relate to on film?
Don't you think other people would want that too?

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Yeah, it's kind.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Of a no brainer.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
And there will still be characters that you can relate
to and look up to or you know, yeah, they're
not going away. It's just doing a little bit of
like making sure some bases are covered, right, I know,
it's crazy, crazy, yes, Well, making.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Sure that everybody feels included. Everyone should belong it's art.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
At the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Everyone should have something that's you know what, even if
it's not for you, it's for somebody.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Else, right, and it's probably gonna make the story even better.
I really think so. Right, Yeah, everyone should feel seen,
especially in a story like this that is all about
kind of the five archetypes, the kind of pillars of
like school life, of like who are you when you
start out? You know. So it's like, yeah, we could
have just added a couple more details and it would

(59:31):
have been a bit a little bit more well rounded.
But at least we have what we have, which is
still very good. And I think a lot of people,
of course it's so successful and such a classic because
there is at least someone that you relate to, you know,
so at least we have that or wanted to be like,
you know, or wanted to be like.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
And touch each other in a way they never dreamed
possible when you do that.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Even I love claire Line during towards the end when
like kind of the all is lost moment, when like
they were getting along. We had some montages which are
so great, but you know, now we just confessed and
now we're kind of like down in the dumps, and
like when Claire says, like your friends are look where
the people your friends look up to? And it's like, oh,

(01:00:19):
it's true, but like I can't believe you said that,
you know, And Brian calls her like, so what does
he say? Like egotistical? I think, like And then Bender
calls her a bitch and she's like, why am I bit?
Because I'm telling the truth. It's like, yeah, so I
do really appreciate that the script is always kind of
wavering back and forth between some hard truths, some fun moments,

(01:00:42):
some comedy, some heavy you know. So I think it's
a pretty special script that way that it's it never
kind of just switches and stays over there. It's always
kind of much like a real conversation with any friends,
but especially like friends you wouldn't normally hang out with.
It's gonna be so fun and then it's gonna be

(01:01:02):
like weird and you're gonna be like all right, I
want to go. You know, I just feel like I
could relate to that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
You know, well, there's an authenticity when in what Claire
is saying, because that is exactly she would never have
the forethought to try and soften the blow. She's never
had to do that with anybody else, So she's not
going to put thought into it and kindly find a way.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
To say what she wanted to say.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
She's just gonna say it because she's never had to
explain herself because nobody questions her right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
She never had to be delicate with like how the
rules are because the rules well. I also have a
special place for this movie because in one of my
kind of first acting classes in Philly at this place
Mike Lemon casting, I was given the Andrew monologue of
taping the Buns together, which I always was like, fun, right,
you had to be number one. I was pretty young.

(01:01:57):
I was like, I think, you know, which is was
totally fine. But I think I was only in middle
school at that time, so and I knew it was
from Breakfast Club, but I can't again, I can't remember
if I had seen it yet, but I was given
that heavy monologue, which is like, you know, but this
movie is such an acting class movie I've given kids,
Yes it is from it, Like it's just it's just
so perfect, you know, Like the lines are great, there's

(01:02:19):
like we said, there's anger, there's then some funny bits
all in the same conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
So just in the showers, very organic, like it's not
contrived or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
And maybe that's because they maybe that's because they were
able to add lib a bit and improv and make
it feel authentic to themselves. You know. I feel like
that always when that shines through, it really makes for
a great conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
You know, well, these kids feel real. So this wasn't
a time where kids didn't have like I say kids,
but they were like, you know, eighteen to like early
to mid twenties, and they didn't have the media training
that like someone like Sendea or right, you know, there's
another Disney kid Sabrina Carpenter. Uh, Like, they don't have

(01:03:07):
the media training that exists now, and there was no
way for them to prepare for any of this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
They were just their authentic selves.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
So it's just I think it's why we don't get
movies like this now because if you are getting a
child actor or like you know, a true teen or
young adult, they've already been coached.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Yeah, I'm part of the problem. I'm like, Okay, you
need to say it this way. No, Yeah, I know,
it's it's everything's kind of just been part of the machine,
rather than for the most part, we still you know,
find we hear, people are found like out of nowhere
and they're great, you know. But yeah, the it's all
about the stars and those who have already had success
and have been part of the machine. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
Universal Pictures presents Emanio Estvez, Balls Lison, Anthony, Michael Hall, Judson,
Molly Ringwold, and Ali Sheety again a John Hughes film.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Hey, Rewinders, If you're loving this conversation as much as
I am, give the show five stars for our five
main characters and a thumbs up on YouTube. You might
be able to tell from listening or watching this episode
that I'm not in my normal recording space. I'm actually
home visiting my family and their condo, which is very
fitting for this movie. I feel like I'm a teen again.
But it's not just Jackie and me who are celebrating

(01:04:27):
the fortieth anniversary of The Breakfast Club. Here is my
brand new friend, Victoria. She's a first time watcher of
this movie, so here are her thoughts.

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
Hi, this is Victoria. My Instagram is Paper and Screen,
where I talk about both books and movies. My husband
and I recently watched the Breakfast Club for the first time, actually,
and it is such a classic film. Everyone is like,
oh my gosh, you have to see it, So we
finally added it to our list. We're watching one hundred
movies this year. I definitely see the value in it.

(01:04:58):
I think I would have enjoyed it more or perhaps
as a teenager in the eighties. I feel like it
really would have resonated strongly then. But there's certain things
that are problematic to me, especially the way that Claire
basically gets harassed by Bender and then weirdly ends up
with him in the end. I'm not sure if I
buy that or how good that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Feels to me.

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
My husband's not a huge fan of how Ali Sheety's
character totally changes herself in the end from going to
like from the cool goth girl to some pretty pretty
princess kind of. I don't know. It's a weird transformation.
But it is a fun movie. It is iconic. It's
a great movie, like so much of its time. So

(01:05:43):
I'm glad that I was able to enjoy it and
experience it, and I definitely look forward to exploring more
eighties classics.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
What's that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Sushi?

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Sushi?

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
My sister and I'm to this day we say sushi
like Jack Nelson because of how he's say it's so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
It's also such a shock that she's eating sushi, and
it's it's such a great choice because it's random.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
And Ali input like she was, She's like it was
a rare commodity in you know, the mid eighties. It
was a luxury item, and like Claire would definitely have it. Cool.
But Claire, it's been like four hours since you got here. Uh,

(01:06:37):
if you're eating at like eleven, has that sushi been refrigerated?

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
True? True? Oh yeah, that's and I I have I
have pushed things to the limit with non refrigeration when
like bringing stuff to work or whatever. Sushi, Yeah, that's
something you don't want to rest. But you're so right,
You're so right. I didn't think about that. Yeah. Yeah.
The whole lunch thing is so that whole moment is
so funny for everyone, you know, because then I know

(01:07:03):
Andrew has like so much food, and then I can't
really remember what did Bender even eat. I don't think he.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Didn't bring lunch. Brian had like a little banged lunch,
and then and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
I think it was like peanut butter and jelly or something, right. Yeah, yeah, we.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Already talked about Allison's lunch and when she throws the
bologny up onto that like library sculpture, and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
It just that oh my god, yeah that's great.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Yeah, So it's like that moment always makes me laugh.
And then there's this weird moment of physical comedy with
Emilio STFs in the magazine rack when Bender takes out
all of the uh, the screws out of the door
and just to him trying to like climb up with
the magazine rack. It kills me every time. And I
don't know if it's like it was supposed to be

(01:07:51):
that funny, but I find it absolutely hilarious, and like
it's just so silly trying climb over the magazine records.
His book keeps slipping. It's just it's it's very silly
and like a very serious movie. This is what I
mean about, Like the comedy is very organic and like

(01:08:13):
the moments seem very natural. But I mean, like, just
as far as like favorite moments, the dance sequence is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Oh my god. I I Jackie, I wrote my notes
and I've seen this a bunch of times, but I
had forgotten just how much fun that dance montage. It
is towards the end, after they've you know, been getting
a lot of stuff out. Now they got to like
purge and just dance. I before I die and before
we die, we need to be in a dance montage,
just like they are letting it out, you know they

(01:08:44):
are the way Ali Sheety is just like it's just.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Like like this, like I still and then benders like
whipping his hair and Molly rings.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Molly Ringwald is like doing the kick on the stairs
and it looks so.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Basically like skanking, and I'm like, I love this. Uh yeah, no,
Like I will say that probably that scene inspired like
my dance moves for the rest of my life. It was,
even though it's a completely spastic it's just when I'm
alone dancing around my kitchen to like, oh, I'll put
on like Edge of Glory or something, and like that's

(01:09:18):
how I'll be dancing around, like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Good choice, good choice, And that fits this vibe too.
I could totally you know, perfect you're alone. I would
played Edge of Glory while playing that and see how
I bet it matches.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Perfectly the music in the movie too. It's all very
like obscure artists, but it's so like we are not alone,
like it's or even like when they're running through the
halls the like I don't know what they're saying, the
man beneath the white or like beneath the Light. I
don't know the lyrics to the song, but I'm like,

(01:09:51):
it's it fits it just it doesn't feel like it
was from anywhere else except this movie. I've never any
of those artists like ever again, I know Carla Defudos
and some other stuff, but.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
We haven't even mentioned speaking of music the iconic do
you know? I mean, But besides that, yeah, everything feels
a little bit more obscure, a little more. And also
I had forgotten that the movie has these moments where
music is so part of the emotion, especially for Bender,
like he shout fuck you, and like there's a couple
of moments where then there's like a very intense sound

(01:10:27):
of like of music. You know, I had forgotten about that.
And also I totally forgot that I'm pretty sure it's Andrew.
I think it's around the time they're dancing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Yeah, that's that always pisses me off because I'm like, Okay,
I smoke weed you don't punch glass like or not
kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Like whoa Like, Oh yeah, I mean when you're pretty high.
I mean I can kind of barely move move the
opposite guy. Maybe it's a different kind of weed. But yeah,
I didn't like that either, just because I only like
Bender being destructive. I don't really want anyone else to
be destructive, do you know what I mean? And even
when Bender's destructive, it's too much obviously. I mean, like

(01:11:09):
I was saying, he's kind of a Billain, you know
he is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
He is, but like at the same time so charming,
Like some of my favorite lines come from him, like
and it's just how he's saying them. Mister, have you
finished your paper? Like just how he says it. It
is so funny. Yeah, sweetheart, you couldn't ignore me if
you tried. That was being bad feels pretty good. I

(01:11:34):
had a T shirt that said that had him with
his feet up. I two Breakfast Club t shirts, and
I were all the time in high school. That one
had been around. It says being bad feels pretty good. Huh,
being bad feels pretty good. And the other one was
with Ali Shady and it said when you grow up,
your heart dies, and I would wear the crap out

(01:11:55):
of them until they started peeling, and then I had
to throw them out. But I was just I was
obsessed with this.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I love that. I also some other quotes that I
wrote down. Claire is a fat girl's name.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Yeah, say that to my mom sometimes because her name
is Claire and she knows the movie, and she's like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Shut up, that is funny. Oh my god. Yeah. I
love that line and how she's so offended, and then
how he says you're gonna squeeze out a few puppies,
which always made me laugh as a kid. I was like,
and then it's so good.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
It's so rude, but it's funny. And he's like he
gets up, we'll all get up. It'll be anarchy. Like
I like, if I were in that class. I always
kind of liked it when people talked back to the
teacher because I was like, I, you know, later on,

(01:12:51):
when I was in high school, I kind of got
a little snarky back, but like I always was, I
had such respect for people who had a disrespect for authority.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Pot well that I was. I was. It's funny. I
was one of those kids. Not that I was not
that bad, but I should not have yelled at some
teachers or I don't know who I thought I was,
and that my white privilege I think was on display
and I didn't even know it. So I don't want
to say I have regrets, but I do cringe at
like some of the stupid fights I got into with

(01:13:21):
authority figures. I don't know. I had nothing to be
that upset about, so I don't know what was going
on with me, But yeah, I was one of those
kids that there was a moment with a librarian that
I just am knocked out of at all. And I'm
so sad it was a librarian, but that was Sorry everyone,
Sorry about the shouting in the library. That was definitely me.

(01:13:41):
I guess I was just having a bad day, you know,
but I hear you. I also, I did kind of
appreciate anyone, at least within reason, who stood up and
said something to a teacher or whatever, right, because there
are some teachers that are shitty, you know. There were
some people that should not have been working and all
over the place, not even just an.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Art and I was always like, really, really, I took
a shine to the people that were able to kind
of fuck authority a little bit when I was afraid to,
and then it gave me the confidence to kind of
do it myself later in life.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Yeah, I hear you. Yeah, it's definitely inspiring. It's just
go easy now, you know, make sure if you don't.
I think there was a little my young aries was
like really that ram was bucking. Sometimes I'm like, okay,
calm down, take a minute. But drama queen.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
So it's like I have even now where I'm like,
well I should just kill myself, like you know, like
very Lucille Blue.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Like, oh my god. Which is so funny because over
the holidays I met your amazing husband Chris, and I
feel like he is so not a drama queen. He
must really, you guys must you must bring out a
little bit in him and he must kind of tame
you at times. Am I right?

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Yes? So I am like in the relationship, it's like
he's so easy going that like when things we have
a very like he the relationship that Judy Garland had
with her dresser, like where she would be freaking out
and you know, he would freak out more so that

(01:15:20):
she would stop freaking out and she'd be like calm down,
calm down, like, of course I'll go on. And so
I feel like sometimes he has to do that to
kind of ground me, because when he freaks out, I'm like,
oh my god, like why is he freaking out? And
then I have to kind of like, you know, bring
him down. But I think it's all intentional so that

(01:15:43):
I am kind of brought back to earth because when
I have not eaten, when I am just like very
like high emotional, like I tend to run very hot blooded,
and he likes to make fun of me for being
Italian and blame it on me being Italian, which is
partially true. But like I'm just I've always been a

(01:16:04):
very dramatic kid, and I've turned into a very dramatic adult.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
And I love leaving each other out good. I've got
you for the rest of your natural born life. If
you don't watch your step, you want another one? Yes,
you got it, You got another one right there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
That's another one, pal kind out.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Just going back to the time period, I love that
Vernon says I make thirty one thousand a year. When
I heard that was like, but back then, forty years ago, Yeah,
that was that was different. That was probably double you know,
or something like that, you know, but I just thought
that was so funny hearing in that twenty twenty five
lens like, oh, dang.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Doing better. And again that's another amazing scene.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
It just shows what.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
A how good of an actor that Paul Gleeson is
and Jeded Nelson because you get real emotion. Bender does
not emote. He's like, he deflects with humor for the
whole movie and then it's like it isn't until he
goes into his you know, it was a Benner ear
at the Bender household, like he does that whole thing,

(01:17:13):
smoke up Johnny like all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
When he acts out as his father, it's like, ooh,
we're getting dark, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Yeah, And do you see him genuinely emote like it
looks like he unfortunately a lot of people in abusive situations,
it's like he wants to cry, but then he's pushing
it down, and very similar when Vernon threatens him, Like
that was scary for me as a kid watching that
and knowing like, God, like, have teachers really done that?

(01:17:42):
Have teachers really like do they think that they can
speak to underached kids this way?

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
I know?

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
It was very villainous, very scary, and it was just
it was a great exercise in like how well that
they could pull out the talent of Paul Lison and
jud Nelson, like playing off of each other like that.
They were just amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Yeah, they really go head to head. I mean they're iconic,
you know, when he's giving him more detentions, right like
eat my shorts, you want another? You know, which I'm
pretty sure not another team movie totally makes one of that.
But that is a do you know what I mean
going back and forth whoa it's oh, it would be
my pleasure or whatever he says, you know, like, oh,
it's it's like a volley session. Just oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
I mean the chemistry between them, I know people are
always talking about like male female chemistry, but the chemistry
between Jed Nelson and Paul Gleeson was fantastic. And because
of his antagonistic relationship with Molly Ringwold and how rude
and method he was on set with her, Paul Gleison
was really the only person kind of stick enough for
him to stay on the film. And I'm glad he did.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Oh that's interesting, Okay, I knew that. Yeah, I guess
jud pissed off John Hughes By constantly being an asshole. Yeah,
but that's interesting that Gleason Okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
He was the one to stick up for him, and
I'm glad he did because he was, like, he's a
good actor, and yeah, the two of you are absolutely
I mean the word that you use electric to watch.
It's just I'm so glad that he fought for that.
And we have those moments now because it's two of
the more serious beats of the movie, because I mean,

(01:19:24):
you know, when he's in the gym and everything, it's
a little silly, but like two of the most serious
beats in the movie are between the two of them,
and the chemistry is off the charts.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
M h. Yeah, I totally agree. Yeah, you know, we
think of the five kids, but Gleason Vernon is so
pivotal to the whole thing. Of course, and did you
see I read that the janitor, which not a super
pivotal role, but fun. I do love his line how
he's like, I'm the eyes and ears of this school
or this institution. I think he says, right that was

(01:19:53):
originally going to be Rick moranis.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Which is yes, and he got tired for doing it
in a Russian accent.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Yeah, like when you hear of those occasional stories how
it was going to be someone else and they they
went to the direction to be bender. Oh yeah, and
I saw John Cusack and Nicholas Cage. Nicholas Cage would
have been great. Some of these guys were too sweet.
They're just too calm, you know, yeah, no way, no, But.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Because I could, Yes, they're all great, amazing, all great.
Gotten the Nicholas Cage that we have.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Now, eyes you know, like whoa, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
I think the reason why we have the Knick Cage
that we have now is because of Moonstruck. If it
wasn't for a moonstruck, like because Scher is willing to
take a shot on him, like you know, Raising Arizona
and you know, Valley around everything. We're all good and
you know, he was successful in his own right, and

(01:20:54):
you know the early Mirror movies that he did. But
the Nick Cage we have now is because of Moon's Struck.
And to think like if he had done Breakfast Club,
it would have it would have catapulted him sooner than Moonstruck.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Any questions, Yeah, I got a question.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Does Barry Man alone know that you rate his wardrobe.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Give you the answer to that question, mister Bender next Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
So interesting about the It's a great way to pivot
back to my original question the janitor. So Carl, the
janitor in a cut scene actually has like when he's
talking all the kids and he's like, I'm the eyes
and the ears of the school. He goes further.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Into like where they're all going to end up?

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Wow, and and so that, like, you know, that got
me thinking, So if we did a sequel every ten years,
would Carl's version so like come to pass? So I
wrote it down and he tells the kids like Brian
will be successful but have three heart attacks and uh,

(01:22:06):
you know because of all the stress, Andy will you know,
he won't go anywhere with his athletic career. Her Marius
Stewardess and the book get fat and miserable. Bender will
get ten years in prison for hard drugs. Allison will
end up living a meaningless suburban existence where her art
is underappreciated and she just pop out a bunch of

(01:22:27):
kids and end up joining the PTA. And Claire will
get a ton of plastic surgery and marry a wealthy
but unfaithful man with many many partners, and I was like,
this is so so dark, but like, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
God, I just got chills. I'm like, oh, I don't
know if I want to see that sequel.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
So this is kind of a sliding door thing. I
do think unfortunately, if they don't change their actions, Like
I was thinking about it after I watched it this time,
I'm like, I wonder if these kids actually talk to
each other again after this whole thing, like they're you know,
the two couples couples quote unquote or being couple. It's like,

(01:23:09):
will this last past the Saturday?

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
And like will you know?

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Claire says like, oh, so you know, Antie, you're telling
me in front of all your sporto friends, Like if
you said hi to Brian, they wouldn't laugh their asses off, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Right, you know, come on, like just because we're getting
along now, your friends are gonna make you make sure
that you don't keep this going, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Yeah? You know. What would have been interesting is maybe
if we didn't get a sequel every ten years, but
at least one idea is what if we got a
sequel ten years later, just one. Maybe it was called
The lunch Punch then I don't know, breakfast, lunch, dinner,
I don't know, but but yeah, what if the sequel

(01:23:55):
was sort of a little experimental in that, Yeah, like
work kind of going down the two roads and we're
comparing them, we see the bleak road for everyone, or
or or mix it up. Maybe some characters are bleak
on one side and then some or the other, you know,
because I could also see like Alison, you know, and
maybe it's I don't think it's too happy, but I

(01:24:16):
could see her like moving to a city and maybe
not doing like cool grunge art but actually like becoming
like a graphic designer or you know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
I have written down exactly what I have written down
for her.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Yeah, something normal but still artistic and cool, but not
like she's you know what I mean. So I could
see that. I kind of get the vibe Andy like
a good thing for him could be he just becomes
like a teacher. I feel like those guys often just
become a teacher or like a gym teacher or coat,
you know, and he just sort of lives in the
area his whole life. But he's like happy and like
he's not a professional athlete, but he's now coaching kids

(01:24:50):
like that would be fine. I could see that. You know, yeah,
Bender's tough because Bender could go down that road, of course,
and Vernon even says, like, it's really funny, is in
five years look at Bender's life like that sadly can happen.
Or Bender might end up being totally normal and he
might be like, yeah, I remember when I was such
an asshole. Sorry, guys. You know, I could see him

(01:25:12):
being I.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
Think he'd be like something like a parole officer, where
he would like all counsel people.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
That's interesting, wow, or like even just a guidance counselor,
or like what if he becomes a therapist now that
I could see the group being like, you're a therapist.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
You're a therapist. I think that's a bit of a
stretch for him. I feel like parole officer or like
even a school guidance counselor. I don't know, with his
ramp of distaste for authority, if either of those is
in the cards. But you know, I like, I never
thought I would be a corporate early, so you know, no,

(01:25:48):
you're gonna end up in life.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
So that could be really cool to see two different
versions in the same movie. I mean it's almost kind
of getting like sci fi or something, But I don't know,
that could just be a cool way to do it
in a new, fresh way where it's not just them
getting together again, but like two versions and seeing kind
of each person have a good or at least decent
and the bad. You know, that could be kind of cool.

(01:26:11):
Now I'm like so much, Claire or something.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
You know, this is amazing, And again, people should pay
us to write this, Like when you were talking about
Scream seven the other day and I'm like, this is
better what you have.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Put to page right. It's like it's better than anything
we're gonna get. Do it right, I know, right here
a dream team. I know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
It's so for Claire, it's funny that you everything that
you mentioned about Andy about Alison, I've already actually written
that down.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Oh my god, brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Completely. I am of the same mind.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
But for.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Alison or not Alison. Claire, I was like, I feel
like she could have and again this is because I
just binged a shit ton of Gilmore girls. I feel
like she could have a very lorelike Gilmore restart in life.
So if she did get involved with Bender, I think
like the dark path for her is that she would
end up having a teenage pregnancy and like she would

(01:27:09):
finally lose her virginity to bender. And you know, if
they pursued that really really toxic like relationship, I don't
see it going anywhere, but I do see like there
could be something and that's real, like that happens to people,
you know, Like it's especially in the scope of the
eighties where there wasn't a lot of conversation around safe

(01:27:31):
sex until the AIDS crisis in schools. I think that
that's totally realistic.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
And so great.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
All right, So maybe she like decides to keep the
baby and her parents disown her and she ends up
having to start out on her own and she starts
a boutique and you know, kind of starts her life
over again in a small town and has like a
little shop with her daughter. And I'm like, it's very

(01:27:59):
Gilmore girl, but like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
You're right, it fits. I could totally see that where now.
And and also I mean it could just be interesting
like some popular friend from school who she like kind
of like I could see her not keeping in touch
with a lot of the people she was that were
so important to her, you know, so it could be
an interesting like reconnection with someone now that she kind
of has a new life, she's not as rich and

(01:28:21):
you know, comfortable.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
Yeah, that's she's got an entirely new support system, like
her parents have written her off, her friends have written
her off. Like and it's also I think too kind
of playing into that other Molly Ringworld movie for keeps
uh cof. Like I was thinking about that a little
bit too, But like where would Brian be that he's.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
The only one that I'm just like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
You know, the idea that he was quieted.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
I yeah, like that could be. I mean, no matter what,
he's a brain, so he's going to be super smart
and successful. But like, yeah, I wonder as what will
he be like a professor? I kind of see, like,
you know what could be so interesting, like in a
fun way is because I mean the whole heart attack thing,
that's that's realistic. That's a good more bleak one for
him that he's successful, but he's his health is tearing.

(01:29:11):
Maybe he's not married, maybe he's kind of lonely, you know,
I don't know. But then another one could be like
I could see him being like that smart expert that's
like interviewed on TV or whatever, you know, like as
he's random his little headshot on san Yeah, and he's
written books and yeah, he's like a commentator Like that
could be you know again, it's kind of random, but

(01:29:32):
it's like perfectly random for someone who's who knows so
many things. Maybe it's politics or whatever. And so he's
not that he has his own show. That might be too,
he's just fantasy. He's this tum and go too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Can you imagine being with the person that you were
involved with when you were sixteen seventeen? I would rather
chew lass.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
I don't know how people do it. I have a
lot of respect for it, but I.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
If it works, it works. But if it works, it works.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
But also, like how do you not often think about
what could have been what could have been different? Like
that's like a big sliding doors situation isn't fully.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
Formed until you're after the age of twenty three. So
it's like, imagine being with somebody unless you're growing together.
And it's because I know I'm gonna say this and
get like a ton of hate from people, or like
I'm married right, you know, high school sweetheart, I've.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Been together for twenty seven hearts to.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
High school sweethearts too, but they like they grew together,
and things were different back then. It's like, you know,
you didn't have a lot of they went to Palmyra,
they didn't really have a lot outside of their small town.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
And they were comfortable and yeah, they just go they
ride the wave together.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
Yeah, and they've grown together, and so you know, not
to discount that. But like me personally, I know, I
did so much growing in twenties, and I mean even
now in my thirties, I like, I would say within
the last like four years, I've even done a ton
of growing post pandemic.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Of like yeah, and like what.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
I stand for as a person. So I just I
don't see any of these relationships that were were cultivated
by the end of the movie. I don't see them
lasting beyond.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
They can't last. It's just too it's too fantasy, right, Yeah,
But I like your idea that maybe it's Bender and Claire.
Maybe they do have a baby, and so that could
be interesting to see them ten years later still maybe
having to be part of each other's life. Maybe or
maybe not. Maybe Bender, you know, disappeared and maybe he did.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
I like the idea of like he did go to jail,
and now he's somewhat reformed and you know, wants to
be a decent dad and available to his child because
you know, Claire had to is the baby by herself.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
And yeah, that's pretty beautiful. Yeah, uh huh wow. Now
I'm like, Okay, who's gonna make it because I but
I doubt I mean now with it since John passed
away and you know, everyone no, and we'll never get it.
But it could be fun whenever this movie enters like
public domain. Yeah cool.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
I would love for Molly Ringwold to like give her
blessing on that storyline in particular, because I feel like
it's dark enough and realistic enough that because she is
really she has come out and said her daughter was
grossed out by the end of the movie. I'm like, see,
at least we're raising the kids, right. She has come

(01:32:42):
out against you know, the two of them being an
item because he's verbally abusive as charming as he is
when he is charming, and like, whatever gross chemistry you
have with people like that, there is a voice in
the back of your head that tells you that it's
a bad idea and it's a red flag and don't involved,
But like I think that if she just gave in

(01:33:05):
to youth full abandon and was really trying to get
back at her parents, because when he says, like, you know,
you were saying your parents, you know, use you as
a weapon against each other. You know, don't you think
I'd be outstanding in that capacity. And she's got a
really like kind of like mischievous grin, like she's all

(01:33:28):
in on it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Yeah, I am.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
I feel like Mollie ring Well would back that. Yan's
so nice to me.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Because you're letting.

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
Me the breakfast plug.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
At least what we have. Obviously, we're talking about it
for a reason, right, it's so good. It's super moving,
and it's super fun, you know, running through the hallways,
the dancing, the whistling that when they're all sleeping. I mean,
we just have lots of fun moments sprinkled with some
real statements, you know, which is why I think it's
last so many years as like a true classic.

Speaker 6 (01:34:02):
It's a movie that treats youth problems with a level
of seriousness, and so I think that that wasn't something
that was a priority before.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
You know, there wasn't a lot of youth centric stories.
So this has become a write of passage for a
lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Yeah, yeah, it was a right a.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Passage for me for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
And that's what happens when you spend nine hours together
on a Saturday at school. Detention never looked so fun
and so dramatic, am I right? Thanks so much for
listening to or watching this episode. And thank you to
my pal, my longtime friend, Jackie Rene for coming back
and sharing your love for this memorable movie. What a

(01:34:42):
fun chat. And to who are yours? Breakfast Clemens, thank you,
Strawha Media, Kyle Motsinger, Greg Clements, and Portland Media Center.
Follow me on Instagram at release date, rewind if you
haven't already to see more footage from this chat and
from this film, and get ready everybody for the next topic.

(01:35:03):
On release date, rewind a movie very near and dear
to my heart, The Brady Bunch Movie. Bye.

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