We trace Beth Green’s journey from a nine-year-old activist to an intuitive counselor who grounds social change in oneness, mutual support, and evolved ego. We challenge exclusionary religion, reframe purpose as co-creation, and offer practices to align inner healing with outer impact.
• early activism, refusal to conform, moral courage
• burnout and 12‑step surrender as a doorway to serenity
• intuitive awakening and counseling at the human–divine intersection
• God as consciousness, truth‑telling despite consequences
• oneness over competition, mutual support as a principle
• reframing ego through belief shifts and “I am” identity
• inclusion across faith, gender, and status, love without exclusion
• collective healing, interdependence, and a new “we” economy
• practical practices for returning to center and sustainable action
To get a free chapter of host Sylvia Worsham's bestselling book, In Faith, I Thrive: Finding Joy Through God's Masterplan, head over to her webpage at www.sylviaworsham.com.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:02):
If you've ever struggled with fear, doubt, or
worry and wondering what yourtrue purpose was all about, then
this podcast is for you.
In this show, your host, SylviaWarsham, will interview elite
experts and ordinary people thathave created extraordinary
lives.
So here's your host, SylviaWarsham.
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Because I've still got a lot of fun left in me.
SPEAKER_01 (00:29):
Hello bringers, it's Sylvia Warsham.
Welcome to Released Out RevealPurpose.
And today is Beth Green.
And my God, does she have astory of transformation to share
with y'all?
To have spiritual activism.
When I read that, I was like,what is that?
She has a story of like key, andI don't know.
You just want to dive in there.
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So, Beth, thank you so much forjoining us on Released Out
Reveal Purpose.
SPEAKER_02 (00:54):
Oh, I'm so happy to be here and to meet you and by
extension to meet yourlisteners.
I'm sure they're wonderfulpeople.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02):
They are.
They are.
I can only say that.
I've had a couple of them reachout to me and say, thank you so
much for these interviews.
They've shed a big bright lighton some of the issues that have
been plaguing me.
And so I know that you have anenormous story of transformation
to share with us.
So please dive deep, Beth, andplease just share with us how
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you landed on spiritualactivism.
SPEAKER_02 (01:27):
Hmm.
How did I land on spirit?
Well, I guess I was born weird.
And I bet you may have been too.
You know what I mean.
I I don't mean that everybodyisn't an individual, but I mean
I didn't fit anywhere.
I didn't fit in my family.
I didn't I was giving lectureson spiritual topics at five.
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And I didn't know anything aboutit.
I thought it was just normal.
You know, to me, I was normal.
Everybody else was weird, totell you the truth.
And I became uh an activist atnine.
And uh I was uh they were gothey were going to expel me from
elementary school.
I don't know what stopped them,but I I refused to salute the
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flag, the flag when they addedunder God to the Pledge of
Allegiance.
Not because I wasn't spiritual,but because I didn't believe in
church and state.
And so that was to me aconstitutional issue.
Now I'm nine years old, right?
And Senator McCarthy is ontelevision talking about
communism.
And I read a book about theSpanish Civil War and the
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fascists, and all of thesethings together, they made me
very upset about our world,about the lack of kindness,
about the lack of incomeequality, about the suffering,
the needless suffering.
And I just felt like I needed tobe a socialist.
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Now, to me, socialist hadnothing to do with communism,
the way it's seen, it's notabout China, it's not about
Russia.
In fact, the way Marx describedit, which I only read many years
later, is from each according tohis ability.
Of course it would have been hisat those days, from each
according to his ability, toeach according to his need.
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Now, can you argue with that?
I call that the potluckrevolution.
That's what a potluck is.
It's as American as a potluck.
You bring what you can and youtake what you need, and it still
brings tears to my eyes.
And that's what I came tobelieve in when I was nine years
old.
And remember, Senator McCarthywas going around screaming there
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were communists everywhere andpeople were being arrested and
blacklisted and all of thatstuff.
And I stood up and I spoke, anduh that's that's when they
started talking about expellingme from elementary school.
Uh, because I mean this is yougotta understand, I was born in
1945.
This is 1954, there's nomovement.
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And um there was, you know, thisnever really died in me, this
kind of social consciousness andawareness.
I was very upset about the bomb.
And uh we were in those days,you you had shelter, you know,
air aid shelter drills where yougot under your desk at school,
and that was supposed to protectyou in case of a nuclear bomb.
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So uh I think I'm a little olderthan you, Sylvia, so you
fortunately do not rememberthese days.
So, although they're they'rethey're back in many ways.
So um this was how it was, and II wrote a letter to the New York
Times, and that letter to theNew York Times was about being
16 years old and seeing my myworld going towards disaster, or
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how I perceived it, and that wasthe the the thinking of the
time, and uh it was publishedall over the world.
It was published by the New YorkTimes, it traveled around the
world, it ended up on a PeteSeeger album.
You you may not know who PeteSeeger is, but he was an icon of
the movement in the day of agreat man, very generous, always
was at every rally, everystrike, he was out there
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singing.
He had no interest in money, hejust wanted to serve the world.
He's a great person.
And so anyway, I got expelledfor that from college.
And uh yeah, so I I know badtimes when I see them.
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And uh, you know, I've been herebefore.
But that set me on a course ofit was very, very depressing.
I saw the way the society wasstructured, I saw the economic
system.
I went to I was given ascholarship to go to an Ivy
League school.
I was ill my entire life.
I was born with a hereditarycondition, I became severely ill
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when I was 15.
And so I'm trying to do all ofthis with a very, very difficult
physical condition that uhnobody could understand at the
time and was very debilitating.
I don't know what's happening tomy computer, but things are
popping up and I'm just poppingthem back.
(06:23):
We we're we're used tosurprises.
Anyway, this is a verylong-winted story, so you're
wondering, but that's how Ibecame an activist out of
caring, out of seeing suffering,out of being moved by the
conditions of other people.
Plus, I came from a workingclass family.
I was born at the end of theHolocaust.
I mean, how wouldn't that be inmy DNA?
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I was Jewish, you know, I knewabout fascism and suffering and
Nazism just with mother's milk.
And then I became very active inthe political movement, um, in
the anti-war movement, in thewomen's movement.
Very, very active.
I was arrested three times, andit was all out of passion and
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caring.
I never gave one thought to whatam I gonna do for a living, or
how am I going to it wasn't inmy consciousness.
It was like, how am I going tohelp?
Which I know is your mantra too.
How am I gonna help?
What can I do?
The little that I could do.
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And I was totally burnt out bythe time I was 35.
SPEAKER_01 (07:34):
It does happen like that, doesn't it?
Usually it does.
It has it's what they call themidlife crisis, but for us it's
like a turning point.
Yeah, it is a major moment ofshift.
Yes.
So that was for you.
How did you pivot out of thereand to step into a healing
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space?
SPEAKER_02 (07:57):
I guess.
Very interesting question.
I was the um for four years, Iwas the West Coast coordinator
of the Wages for Houseworkcampaign where we were trying to
get recognition for women'swork.
The care the the work ofnurturing, the work of caring.
That's what housework is, istaking care of people.
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And uh so I was doing that forfour years, and at the end of
that one, there was a bigblow-up in the organization, and
the anger and the infighting andand and the misogyny in the
movement, how the men werekeeping the women down.
And let me tell you, I I wasvery, very active, but they
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still wanted me to make thecoffee.
It was insane.
But it was something thathappened in the organization.
I don't need to go into detailsof that, and all of a sudden it
was it was gone.
They uh they threw me out ofthey didn't, they wanted me to
do something that was wrong, andI just stopped.
And I had nothing.
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I was nobody, I was emptyinside, I had been fighting for
others uh all my life, and um Iwas no one.
And at that moment I met a man.
Now he was a full-blownpracticing alcoholic.
He was had been a drug addict,he was a drug addict at the time
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I knew him.
He was a mess, and he went to uha 12-step program.
So I called AA and I said, Howcan I get my boyfriend to stop
drinking?
And they told me to go toAl-Anon.
And I thought it I would go toAl-Anon, which was for the
families of alcoholics, and theywere gonna tell me how to get
them to stop drinking.
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So and of course it was nothinglike that, because it was a
spiritual path for people whowere in these really painful,
difficult relationships ofpeople who were in terrible
trouble and were often lost.
And um, but it was a program forthe inside, and I I swear to
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God, Sylvie, it was like amiraculous experience.
One of that became miracle aftermiracle.
But this was the first.
I went to this meeting and Ilooked at these women, because
they were all women, because atthat time the women stayed with
the men and the men left thewomen who were alcoholic,
because we we were thenurturers, right?
You know what I mean?
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So what happened is that Ilooked at their faces and they
seemed m better emotionally morepeaceful and serene than I was.
And I said, I better sit down,shut up, and listen.
They have something I don'thave.
And I had a spiritual awakeningin that moment.
And two years later, because ofmy terrible health, I went to a
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holistic chiropractor who sentme to a metaphysical counselor.
He said I was literally theweakest human being he'd ever
met, ever met.
They couldn't muscle test me.
You know what muscle testing is?
You go like this, and oh, and Ican ask you, are you allergic to
this or that?
They I couldn't hold up my arm,I couldn't hold one muscle.
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I was 35 years old, you know.
And um she turned on a greenlight, and suddenly I could hold
one muscle.
It wasn't a lot, but it was alittle bit, and I thought, what
is this?
So this was the second miracle,and she starts telling me about
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past lives, which and then Isaid to her, and I swear this is
the truth.
I said to her, It didn't happenthis way, it happened this way.
And I started telling her, likeI started seeing things, I had
visions, all I needed was agreen light, and I just I I had
a psychic awakening in aninstant.
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Although when I think about it,from the time that I went to
Al-Anon, I was hearing the voiceof God, but I thought everybody
did.
I thought that was just normal,you know, because uh they talk
about it in the 12-step program.
But this was really intense, andthat day I went home and I
called my Al Anon sponsor, andshe said, Well, can you do that
for me?
And I said, Sure, why not?
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Come over.
And that was it.
I started seeing things andcounsel, I became a counselor
that day, and I have not gottenoff that path since.
Now it's been a very tumultuouspath, and I love just before our
show, you you talked about yourpath not being linear.
Well, God told me change isnonlinear, slow, nonlinear, and
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sudden.
Oh yeah.
It's like the water boils,right?
That's what happened.
So the water boiled and itbecame steam, and all of a
sudden I saw things differently,and I became intuitively guided.
Now, in the process of this,this part you're probably not
gonna like.
My guides, I had guides thatthey were called the ascended
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masters, doesn't matter who theywere, and they started revealing
themselves and telling me whatto do, and I was very, very
trained to stay in thatintersection between the human
and divine, and that's where Ilived.
I was always listening forguidance on everything, what I
should eat, if I should make aleft turn or a right turn.
That was my training, and that'show I became a counselor, and
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then they said, We're leaving.
It's time for you to own whatyou know.
And I said, I don't knowanything.
And I had just bought this bighouse for this organization that
I that I was building, and theysaid, And they said, We're
leaving.
I said, Thank you.
They left me with this mortgage.
Uh anyway, it was it's been likethat a wild ride.
In fact, some years ago, Godsaid to me, Beth, there is no
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God.
And I want you to teach there isno God.
There is only consciousness.
There is a higher level, and Ido I know you don't believe
that.
And I this is not about arguingabout different beliefs.
Beliefs are just the beliefs, itdoesn't matter.
It's the essence that God wantedme to teach that it was about
consciousness.
And so that I did that.
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I was I uh once I turnedsomebody turned on a microphone
and said, Okay, we're gonna tapeyou, and I didn't know what
topic I was gonna speak on.
And I said, and today I'm gonnaspeak about God, and that was
back in the early 80s, and itwas about God being God
evolving, and and thateverything evolves, including
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God, and that God is thetotality.
And I lost half of my clientsovernight.
So every step of the way,Sylvia, it's been I I reached a
point where I had to saysomething that I believed was
true or that I thought might behelpful.
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And no matter what theconsequence, I have to do it.
So spiritual activism, comingback to your question, I know
I've gone on and on.
I hope this is helpful anyway,um is about coming back to I
have to be an activist, I haveto do something to help with
suffering for the planetsuffering, people suffering,
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animal suffering.
I have to do what I can and andbut I have to do it from the
perspective of the higherconsciousness.
And that means not gettingcaught up in opinions.
That means always being open tothe guidance and coming from a
place of connection to thedivine and having the guts to do
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it.
SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
It does take guts to do it because in some cases it's
this radical obedience that mostpeople don't understand.
And when you're in thatposition, it feels sometimes you
feel a little lonely because youfeel like no one else is doing
this.
Why me, right?
But we're very gifted in feelingshifts, energy shifts.
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We're very gifted in feelingother people's feelings.
They call them empaths, but Icall them highly sensitive
people.
And I my husband and I both areHSPs, which can be a little
complicated in a marriage, butand I treat them are the same
way.
So we have uh an entire familythat can sense shifts in energy
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within each other, and which canbe interesting at times, but
very gifted and a true blessing.
Now, I don't disagree with youof God being consciousness
because God does come to us inthought.
Thoughts.
The thought is the consciousability of the mind, which most
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people think, oh, that'ssubconscious.
Nope, that's not subconscious.
Feeling is subconscious, but thethought and attitude and choice,
that's conscious ability of themind.
We don't use it as much on adaily basis as the other one, as
the other mind.
But when we learn to use theconscious ability of our mind,
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it actually can help transformthe subconscious beliefs.
Oh, yes, in a very big way.
Because those beliefs wereformed a long time ago when we
were faced with modeling andprogramming and trauma and and
experiences good and bad andugly and all the times that we
get in in daily life, and we allhave these belief systems that
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are driving our thoughts and ourfeelings, and ultimately the
results we have in our life.
So I'm in total agreement withyou that God does come across in
thought.
Mine is a persistent thought,and I know that to me, because I
have a faith background and adifferent journey than yours,
yeah.
I do know that's the Holy Spiritguiding me and saying, This is
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this is where you're meant togo, and this is what you're
meant to do.
Yes.
And I don't question it.
I do, and I know I get looks byother people like, why are you
doing this?
Yes, and I'm like, this isgreat.
This is because this is part ofmy gifting, this is part of my
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journey, and it's totally uniqueto me.
And so I'm actually taking stepsto to and I'm not a leader at
our church, but to do that, Ihad to go through a process.
And these questions that theywere asking me, I had to dig
deep inward.
I go deep and ask God, okay,what is the answer to this
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question from your perspective?
SPEAKER_02 (18:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:51):
Um, I've actually taught my husband to do this
because I think men strugglewith this a little bit more.
Oh, yeah.
Connection with the divine is, Ithink, more on the woman's side
than connected to the divinethan men are.
Men are too self-reliant.
SPEAKER_02 (19:05):
And I and that self-reliant to be.
They are their ethics, they'resupposed to be.
I think they have it in them,but I don't want to interrupt
you, but I just want to say Ithink they have it in them, but
they have been so brainwashedand conditioned to pretend that
they are self-reliant whennobody is.
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We are only part of the oneness.
SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
Yes.
We're all interconnected.
You and I are connected.
Yes.
Uh you and my daughter is we'reall connected.
And when God puts us in eachother's path, it's for a reason.
A very powerful reason.
Your gifts are supposed to alignto mine, and vice versa.
But most people don't see itthat way.
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They see it as a competition.
Um between men and women, menand women, which is the worst.
I cannot stand competition withbetween women or men and women
because it just defeats thepurpose altogether.
Yes, yes.
And so I'm in total alignment.
SPEAKER_02 (20:09):
There's I don't use different words.
It doesn't matter to me.
You say Holy Spirit, I knowexactly what you're talking
about.
Yeah, I you know, it and and andyou see, that's why I'm a
spiritual activist because Iwant to do something about the
capitalist system, which is allbased on competition.
Yeah.
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It's all about profit usingpeople, exploiting people.
You're talking about okay, in myI wrote a book called I didn't
write this book.
I I I have six books.
Uh I I didn't write any of themreally, but it's it's nine play,
it's called Living with Reality.
And it's about how to evolvespiritually.
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And uh and in it I talk aboutoneness, uh, accountability, and
mutual support.
And those are the threeprinciples of the spiritual
activist movement.
I really have more, it's moredetailed than that.
But mutual support means I amhere to empower you, you are
here to empower me, therefore weare all more empowered.
We can create throughco-creation.
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We get because we co-create withthe universe.
We don't create, we co-createwith the universe in uh uh in a
dance of intention andallowance, and we have to be in
alignment with that, and we needto support one another instead
of so that each one of us canmake the contribution that we
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are there to make.
If you have a child who is sickor is drinking leaded water,
they're going to damage theirbrain.
That child might be the one thatcould have found the cure for
cancer.
I believe we all need healthcare, we all need clean water,
we all need to be encouraged.
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We need to learn, we need tolearn critical thinking and we
need to learn cooperation fromthe minute we are born.
We don't even do it, most of usdon't even learn cooperation in
our families.
Kids are competing with eachother, parents are competing
with each other.
That's the modeling that we'reseeing.
Plus, we're traumatized.
I so agree with you.
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That's why I'm a counselor.
I spend most of my, I mean mywork life is counseling people,
going back to the origins andusing my intuitive gifts to help
people to face things they don'twant to face about themselves.
Because we are so brainwashedand so conditioned, we think
this is God's will.
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This is the way it has to be.
And it isn't.
And so I think that I was, youknow, if you use the term God or
the concept God, it's there seeGod told me not to believe
anything, just to acknowledgethat beliefs are just beliefs.
When they're useful and helpful,keep them, and when they're not
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helpful, get rid of them.
SPEAKER_01 (23:11):
Or shift them, empower them.
Because I say the ego is the theenemy.
I said the ego is not the enemy,the ego is the self-image.
The self-image is comprised ofbad beliefs, shift them.
Yes, you just shift them, youdon't change them, you just from
I'm not enough to I am enough.
Or whatever it is, I'm a loser,I'm a winner.
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I mean, there's there's it'sit's just shifting them.
It's it's displaying the lieswithin you.
The lies performed long ago.
My goodness.
Like these things formed long,long ago, before the age of two
years old.
Yes, and we're still holding onto them as truth.
I'm not held on to mine forever.
I know it was so exhausting.
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And then finally, I had thenear-death experience I
experienced in 2012, and facingsix doctors and saying, Well,
you have an 80% chance of dying,and you likely won't survive the
night and meeting a miracle, andI received three within 72
hours.
Well, that kind of shifts yourper purpose and perspective
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dramatically.
It's not right away because youknow, we're human and fallible
and we're stubborn.
At least I am.
You said you were born weird,well, I was born stubborn.
And so, my you know, God'ssaying, My stubborn child, let
me wake you up.
And since you don't listen to meand you haven't listened to my
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promptings, I need to use yourchoice.
And I'm gonna just just a littlepain.
You're gonna feel a little pain.
I'm just gonna wake you up and Ineed you to listen.
And so I listened after my threemiracles because it was hard not
to.
And uh and then I just I startedto ask the deeper questions of
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why am I here?
Like, why did I survive?
When so many people die frompulmonary embolisms, I had
multiple, I had so many, thedoctors were like astounded.
I even walked in, I walked inunassisted to the hospital.
I was in deep pain, and I shouldhave died multiple times, but I
survived, and they were all inshock.
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And at the end of my threemiracles, when the doctors come
in and they're like in totaldisbelief, yeah, that there is
no evidence of of illness.
I had already been told by God.
He had already made hisappearance known in the ICU with
my boyfriend who ended up beingmy my husband, and we both felt
his love and we both felt peacein an instant, and a knowing
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washed over me that I was okay,that I had received my second
chance.
And from that moment on, I havehad a very different
relationship with myself andwith God, because myself and God
are one.
It's this oneness approach thatwe must use with others.
When we when God loves us, heloves us completely and wholly.
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Like every all of our mistakes,all of our faults, he does all
of it.
The way he loves us is the waywe are meant to love other
people.
But we don't understand thatconcept because we don't.
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Before then, it didn't makesense to me.
He tells you, like the consciousunconsciousness for you, that
made sense to you because hecreated you differently with a
different different part of hisplan because his sheep are all
different and they all thinkdifferently.
And he came to me years ago andsaid, Sylvia, I need you to go
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find my lost sheep and bring himback to me.
Okay, so you so I ended uphaving to learn all these other
modalities because I had to meetpeople exactly where they were,
whether they believed in him ornot.
Yeah, I was there to guide themback to him calmly and
peacefully.
None of this fighting, none ofthis, oh my gosh, you guys are
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gonna fight it up.
Nope.
None of that came into play.
And for people that I callmyself a Christian now, in the
Christian world, I would be anabomination because I talk to
different sectors that are notnecessarily who they believe are
Christ's followers, right?
SPEAKER_02 (27:35):
They're not prejudiced, you know, prejudiced
enough.
That's your problem, Sylvia.
SPEAKER_01 (27:42):
So I keep there and I go, okay.
But you know, I've had my mydirection from God, and I am
obedient.
I don't question him, I justsimply do.
Yes, and I do it through thispodcast, I do it through my
books, I do it when I speak toothers, when I share testimony.
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This is a thing for you.
I'm imagining, I'm feeling fromyou that you get the same
intuitive hits that I get.
I get visions, you get visions,probably as well, and we just
feel like our way through life,which for some people that's
hard to do because in our world,we're told you need to control
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your circumstances.
Yeah, that's what a joke.
And there is no control, that'san illusion.
Exactly.
Of our mind, just likeperfectionism, there is no
perfection.
He's perfect, we're not.
SPEAKER_02 (28:42):
I say God isn't perfect, and neither are we, but
it's we're really saying thesame thing using different
words.
What's something different?
And you're so right.
We're we're built differently,we have different purposes.
See, the way I see it, and andall which is so much in
alignment with what you'resaying, is well, let me tell you
what God told me once.
I wrote a book called God'sLittle Aphorisms.
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And one of the because I, youknow, I would get these zingers
from the source that I you knowit just came from nowhere.
And I know I'm not that smart.
You know, I'm smart, but I'm notthat smart.
And and uh so I was beratingmyself for not for making a
mistake or not knowingsomething.
And God said to me, Beth, if Ihad meant you to know
everything, I wouldn't have hadto create other people.
SPEAKER_01 (29:27):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (29:33):
Yes, we are made for a job.
I am I am designed to be who Iam.
I'm a musician.
I'm the you know, I I I have apolitical background so that I
can go out into the world nowand I can talk about the society
from the perspective from thespiritual perspective that is a
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part of me that is so much apart of me, I I couldn't lose it
if I wanted to.
SPEAKER_01 (30:00):
I think you get to to begin with.
I think it'd be like yeah, seemy role will come into play and
I will, you know, it'll comeback.
Um, I mean, this is therelationship I have with them.
It's a really interestingrelationship.
And my kids often will say, Mom,are you talking to yourself
again?
Are you talking to him?
And I'm like, Oh, I'm talking tohim.
He's sitting right next to me,and like, wow, the belly right
(30:22):
next to me as I'm driving thecar.
SPEAKER_02 (30:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:25):
But I it's a very natural relationship that I want
them to understand withourselves and with him.
And yes, you're right.
We do use different language,but the message is quite the
same.
SPEAKER_02 (30:38):
Right.
The energy behind it is thesame.
The intention behind it is thesame.
The consciousness behind it isthe same.
And I I I love this.
And I love I've always felt veryclose to people who were
extremely religious in a realway, because they're hearing the
same message I am.
(30:59):
And it's it hurts to see peopleusing religion in order to
demean others or hurt otherpeople, or exclude them
completely.
SPEAKER_01 (31:08):
I wrote a post not too long ago on uh you know
excluding people because theyloved different genders.
Yeah.
And that really hit a nerve, butit also forced people to think
about things.
Because you see, I used Jesus'ministry.
(31:29):
I said, if you look at Jesus'life when he came to earth,
yeah, he included women, whichin those years was a big no-no.
Oh, yeah.
And then he included thievesbecause Peter or Simon was a
thief.
Yes, and you know, they were theoutcast, the tax collectors.
Who would be the outcast todayin society?
(31:52):
And these uh they're like, well,homosexuality would be the
outcast, quote unquote, or thegender, the different genders
and the different sex.
SPEAKER_02 (32:01):
And the immigrants as well, by the way.
SPEAKER_01 (32:03):
And the immigrants, yeah, they would be considered
the outsiders, right?
Yeah, what would Jesus say?
Yeah, exactly.
What would his opinion be?
And why was the plan standing soenlightening to people?
And people are like, and you'rea Christian, and I said, Yes,
I'm a Christian.
And but I also think that theChristians that believe this
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need to stand up because it willbalance out what the true, like
the difference between religionand faith.
Because you see, I'm not reallyI don't consider myself
religious.
Yeah.
See, Jesus didn't work.
SPEAKER_02 (32:41):
Jesus didn't work for it.
SPEAKER_01 (32:43):
Jesus didn't consider himself religious if
you think about it.
He didn't agree with thePharisees.
He was constantly against them,constantly calling them out for
the rules.
You and I and Jesus were beenfriends because I was always the
level.
I was always breaking the rules,going against the string.
(33:05):
And and people were like, Whyare you saying these things?
It was so different.
Well, it's because we were builtto be these different people
that had people question theirmotives.
Why are you doing this?
What is the purpose behind this?
Yeah, your purpose is to drawpeople closer to him.
(33:25):
You're not.
But the way you're you'reattacking them and you're using
scripture, his word, to excludepeople, he'd be he'd be so
excited.
He'd be horrified with that.
So I'm always the one that stepsin and defends him and says, No,
no, no, no, no.
See, that's not what God wants.
This is not what Jesus would sayyes to.
(33:51):
This is not the way he wantsthis done.
He wants us to love him and loveothers the way he with us.
That's it.
SPEAKER_02 (33:58):
That's what he wants.
Isn't that what uh isn't thatthe saying what you do unto the
least of my brethren you do untome?
Yes.
How can you possibly justifythis behavior?
But you see, this is where theego comes in.
And I agree with you.
The ego, I think of it as theego twice-born.
(34:21):
It's the ego evolves, and whenthe ego starts to support us in
the right way, then the ego istwice twice born.
But the ego is born in ourinfancy, you know, we're like
immediately fighting forourselves, we're out of the
womb, and we've got to fight forourselves.
And then our whole, you know, uhthe we learn how to manipulate,
(34:44):
we learn how to get what wewant.
We we don't, we're not taught tocare about other people.
And this kind of survivalmechanism that in in the living
with reality, the introductionis called ego, instinct, and
evolution, and it's all abouthow the ego comes into play and
how it runs us, these oldpatterns run us for the rest of
our lives, and it makes usblind, it makes us
(35:07):
short-sighted, it makes usself-centered, we don't
understand the oneness.
You know, God gave me another uhaphorism, which was you can't
clean the air over one house inLos Angeles.
So if you think you're gonnamake a great life for yourself,
you're wrong.
Because if you're living in asick world, if you're living in
a depressed world, if you'reliving in an angry world, if
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you're living in wherever peopleare poor and can't get their
needs met, your life is damaged.
You can, I don't care how manywalls you build, you still have
that stinking air over you, youknow, that pollution, because
that is something we have to docollectively.
We have to heal the collectiveon an emotional level, on a
(35:53):
spiritual level, as you'retalking about, and also deal
with the collective.
I have something called the NewDeclaration of Independence, and
uh that God told me to write thenew, you know, God keeps popping
in, even though he says there isno God.
So I mean I understand thesubtleties of things are
nuanced.
These are these are all humanconcepts.
(36:13):
You know, we think in humanconcepts, so I laugh about it.
In fact, once in the early days,I asked my guides, I said, Do
you exist?
And they said, What do you care?
Is this helping or not?
So if it's helping, use it.
If it's not, get rid of it.
(36:33):
So I get it.
It's like, oh, where when you wget into the oneness, there are
no concepts, there are nodistinctions, you're just kind
of like you know.
God gave me an analogy too aboutuh the white light, which I
think you might enjoy, which isum that if you look at the white
light and you put it through theprism, you'll see all these
(36:55):
colors.
But it's really all the aspectsof the white light, and that to
me is what God is, is thetotality and all these things
that we're afraid of, includinganger, including h you know,
there there's no duality inreality.
It's all oneness.
(37:16):
But we have to learn how to dealwith these emotions and not let
them dominate us because theyare we're run by our guts.
We people think that they'rerational, but they're not.
Uh, you know, i it's wonderfulbeing a counselor because I get
to see irrationalityirrationality uh in action every
(37:37):
day and try to get to the depthof what was the trauma, what was
the treen training, what was itthat got you to think this way?
Because not everybody is gonnahave like the miraculous
transformational moment that youhad.
A lot of people it's like youknow, there these things, these
(37:59):
beliefs have roots, and you'vegot to go in there and you've
got to pull them all out.
Because if you don't pull themall out, they're gonna drag you
back.
And so as a counselor, that ismy job is to go in there and
pull out all the roots of thethings that are self-destructive
and destructive to others.
And the ego just gets so wrappedup in defending you in its own
(38:22):
egoic way, it thinks it's thehero.
SPEAKER_01 (38:25):
It does, it takes on the hero's journey, and it's
not.
It's not, it's just one aspect,it's the mind aspect of it, it's
the the the belief that that aredriving these results.
That's all it is, and so it'sidentifying and becoming aware
of what those beliefs are,shifting them, empowering them
(38:47):
rather, which is what I discussin my first book.
Well, my the second edition ofmy first book, it's the same
theme of like the ego, the soul,and spirit becoming one.
And it's that life's journey isall about that.
It's about aligning all threetogether because the soul has
always been there.
(39:08):
This person that God created youto be, she's always been there.
Yes, it's just now you've got tomake sure that these layers
aren't on top, mucking it up.
Exactly, exactly.
Remove, remove a line and moveforward as a one piece.
When he talks to us, we listen,we obey, we move through life.
SPEAKER_02 (39:29):
We are the God that's talking to us.
We are we are one with the Godthat's talking to us.
I my will is your will is God'swill.
SPEAKER_01 (39:37):
That's we're one, we're one with him, and so we
there is no I'm a loser becausehe doesn't create losers.
That's right.
That's right.
He's not a loser, so that's I'mnot a loser.
The great I am.
This is why in coaching the I amstatements are so powerful.
Yeah, because we are in essenceidentifying ourselves as him.
(40:02):
Yeah.
Or however you see God, youknow, because we have the uh
feminine and the masculinedivine, and you know, man,
however, it works for you, andhowever it makes sense to you,
use whatever.
But the truth is the onenessaspect is the message that needs
to be clear.
And I know that that's been yourpurpose.
It sounds like it, right?
SPEAKER_02 (40:22):
Oh, all my life.
All my life.
That was when I was five yearsold and I was lecturing people,
and I I didn't have any ideathat there was anything unusual
about that.
It was all about oneness.
I didn't like the way that theJewish people, because I was
grew up Jewish, how they weretreating the Jewish immigrants
that were coming over after theHolocaust.
(40:43):
They called them greenhorns.
And you know, how could you dothat?
SPEAKER_01 (40:49):
No, no.
You just don't, but it's the theprejudice, you know.
But that's why you but that'swhy you're here.
You release the doubt and yourevealed your purpose at the age
of five.
So that's pretty cool.
Most people don't get that.
You know, some of us don't getuntil we we are forced into a
corner, like I was, and we'relike, okay, here comes your
(41:09):
purpose.
Ready?
Here comes.
Um, but and and some people livetheir whole life and never
understand the concept ofoneness.
They don't.
SPEAKER_02 (41:21):
No, they no, they don't.
They really don't.
They think it has to do withbeing the same.
It has nothing to do with beingthe same, it's about being an
integrated whole, that wetogether are God.
You know, it is not me or you.
I am, you know, but I mean, Ithink people have really
distorted all of that and usedthe the spirituality in uh
(41:43):
service to the ego.
SPEAKER_01 (41:45):
Yes.
And go it shows his purpose toto show us the contrast of what
once was, the way we believed,and who we are now becoming.
And it's okay, you know, to havethat contrast, but realize that
it's not who you are, who youwere created to be.
It's just the layers of yourexperiences.
(42:08):
That's what ego is.
That's what it is.
SPEAKER_02 (42:11):
I have another thought about the ego that it's
there to tell you that you needto put on a sweater.
It's the thought that protectsyou in a healthy way, and that's
it, but not to have it dominateyour whole life.
I see people, they're soself-protective, they can't do
anything, but what are theyprotecting?
(42:31):
They're not really protectingtheir inner beings, they're not
living an authentic life, theydon't love themselves.
They're busy drinking and takingdrugs and womanizing and being
angry and climbing the ladder tosuccess.
And they will never get thatpeace that only comes from that
(42:53):
feeling of connection toeverything that come and I don't
always feel it either.
You know, when I read the news,my stomach turns, and then I
have to go back into the I amthat.
That's one of my favoritephrases, I am that.
So I wanted to tell you aboutthe new Declaration of
Independence only because whenGod told me that I was supposed
to write this a couple of monthsago, um, I went and I read the
(43:14):
Declaration of Independence, andit's about life, livity, and the
pursuit of happiness.
And it says if the government isgetting in the way of that, you
have a right to abolish it.
So I say, okay, guys, we have aright to abolish this.
Uh this is the the capitalistsystem is based on ego.
It's all about me.
It's all about me.
(43:34):
So, and I can go into thepolitical and economic analysis,
but well, I don't need to dothat here.
So it's not, but it isn't aboutme, it's about we.
And what we need to do is getrid of a system that feeds that,
that feeds that you have tocompete to survive, you have to
take from someone else that it'snot about uh the we, it's not
(43:58):
about the universe, and thensubstitute for it something
different and look forward to apositive vision.
And I believe it's reallyimportant to have a positive
vision, and I talk about thingslike corporations that have
workers on their boards, notjust not having this one is
(44:19):
exploiting the weaker.
How do we build up everybody'sstrength, everybody's power,
everybody's well-being in thesociety?
And I believe that the purposeof an economy is to meet the
needs of people in the earth.
SPEAKER_01 (44:36):
Yes, yes, it is, and that's the way he taught us in
his life.
Like it was about makingeverybody better.
And that's that's the message Iwant to leave the listeners or
release out with today, becausewhat you and I have talked about
and discussed, there's a lot ofprosal wisdom shared without
asking the question of the tipsand the you know of what we
(44:59):
would do in Crossroads.
You shared all of that with yourstory of transformation.
Thank you, Beth, for being hereand for sharing your story and
your heart and yourvulnerability, because not
everybody has the courage.
I know you said you were bornweird, but not everybody has the
courage to like talk about thesethings openly.
They they want to hide.
(45:19):
And I appreciate you coming hereand discussing this this subject
matter that really needed to bediscussed, especially in the in
the turbulent times we findourselves in.
We need more of the messages ofoneness, of hope, yes, of peace,
because there's a lot of peoplewith a lot of anxiety right now,
(45:40):
especially in on the worldstage.
So any last-minute words youwant to leave our listeners
with, Beth.
SPEAKER_02 (45:50):
Don't give up.
Don't ever give up.
Don't ever give up searching foryour inner self.
Don't ever give up for standingup for your real self and not
for the make-believe self thatwe create for the world in order
to get ahead.
(46:10):
No, there are people planted outthere everywhere who are
standing up, who are trying todo the right thing, that deep
inside us we are all the same.
We all have compassion, we allhave courage.
Some of us, it's been beaten outof us.
And and and not not to judge thepeople who are doing wrong, but
(46:34):
to try to extend a hand and knowthat deep inside us we are one.
SPEAKER_01 (46:40):
I love that.
I love that.
Thank you so much for joiningus, Beth.
I will send you the clip whenit's available.
And to the listeners of ReleaseDoubt, Reveal Purpose, remember
Matthew 5.14.
Be the light.
Have a wonderful week.
Stay safe.
SPEAKER_02 (46:56):
Love ya.
Thank you so much.
Bye-bye.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:29):
Hello bringers, it's Sylvia Warsham.
Welcome to Released Out RevealPurpose.
And today is Beth Green.
And my God, does she have astory of transformation to share
with y'all?
To have spiritual activism.
When I read that, I was like,what is that?
She has a story of like key, andI don't know.
You just want to dive in there.
(00:49):
So, Beth, thank you so much forjoining us on Released Out
Reveal Purpose.
SPEAKER_02 (00:54):
Oh, I'm so happy to be here and to meet you and by
extension to meet yourlisteners.
I'm sure they're wonderfulpeople.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02):
They are.
They are.
I can only say that.
I've had a couple of them reachout to me and say, thank you so
much for these interviews.
They've shed a big bright lighton some of the issues that have
been plaguing me.
And so I know that you have anenormous story of transformation
to share with us.
So please dive deep, Beth, andplease just share with us how
(01:24):
you landed on spiritualactivism.
SPEAKER_02 (01:27):
Hmm.
How did I land on spirit?
Well, I guess I was born weird.
And I bet you may have been too.
You know what I mean.
I I don't mean that everybodyisn't an individual, but I mean
I didn't fit anywhere.
I didn't fit in my family.
I didn't I was giving lectureson spiritual topics at five.
(01:50):
And I didn't know anything aboutit.
I thought it was just normal.
You know, to me, I was normal.
Everybody else was weird, totell you the truth.
And I became uh an activist atnine.
And uh I was uh they were gothey were going to expel me from
elementary school.
I don't know what stopped them,but I I refused to salute the
(02:11):
flag, the flag when they addedunder God to the Pledge of
Allegiance.
Not because I wasn't spiritual,but because I didn't believe in
church and state.
And so that was to me aconstitutional issue.
Now I'm nine years old, right?
And Senator McCarthy is ontelevision talking about
communism.
And I read a book about theSpanish Civil War and the
(02:34):
fascists, and all of thesethings together, they made me
very upset about our world,about the lack of kindness,
about the lack of incomeequality, about the suffering,
the needless suffering.
And I just felt like I needed tobe a socialist.
(02:59):
Now, to me, socialist hadnothing to do with communism,
the way it's seen, it's notabout China, it's not about
Russia.
In fact, the way Marx describedit, which I only read many years
later, is from each according tohis ability.
Of course it would have been hisat those days, from each
according to his ability, toeach according to his need.
(03:23):
Now, can you argue with that?
I call that the potluckrevolution.
That's what a potluck is.
It's as American as a potluck.
You bring what you can and youtake what you need, and it still
brings tears to my eyes.
And that's what I came tobelieve in when I was nine years
old.
And remember, Senator McCarthywas going around screaming there
(03:46):
were communists everywhere andpeople were being arrested and
blacklisted and all of thatstuff.
And I stood up and I spoke, anduh that's that's when they
started talking about expellingme from elementary school.
Uh, because I mean this is yougotta understand, I was born in
1945.
This is 1954, there's nomovement.
(04:08):
And um there was, you know, thisnever really died in me, this
kind of social consciousness andawareness.
I was very upset about the bomb.
And uh we were in those days,you you had shelter, you know,
air aid shelter drills where yougot under your desk at school,
and that was supposed to protectyou in case of a nuclear bomb.
(04:31):
So uh I think I'm a little olderthan you, Sylvia, so you
fortunately do not rememberthese days.
So, although they're they'rethey're back in many ways.
So um this was how it was, and II wrote a letter to the New York
Times, and that letter to theNew York Times was about being
16 years old and seeing my myworld going towards disaster, or
(04:56):
how I perceived it, and that wasthe the the thinking of the
time, and uh it was publishedall over the world.
It was published by the New YorkTimes, it traveled around the
world, it ended up on a PeteSeeger album.
You you may not know who PeteSeeger is, but he was an icon of
the movement in the day of agreat man, very generous, always
was at every rally, everystrike, he was out there
(05:19):
singing.
He had no interest in money, hejust wanted to serve the world.
He's a great person.
And so anyway, I got expelledfor that from college.
And uh yeah, so I I know badtimes when I see them.
(05:39):
And uh, you know, I've been herebefore.
But that set me on a course ofit was very, very depressing.
I saw the way the society wasstructured, I saw the economic
system.
I went to I was given ascholarship to go to an Ivy
League school.
I was ill my entire life.
I was born with a hereditarycondition, I became severely ill
(06:02):
when I was 15.
And so I'm trying to do all ofthis with a very, very difficult
physical condition that uhnobody could understand at the
time and was very debilitating.
I don't know what's happening tomy computer, but things are
popping up and I'm just poppingthem back.
(06:23):
We we're we're used tosurprises.
Anyway, this is a verylong-winted story, so you're
wondering, but that's how Ibecame an activist out of
caring, out of seeing suffering,out of being moved by the
conditions of other people.
Plus, I came from a workingclass family.
I was born at the end of theHolocaust.
I mean, how wouldn't that be inmy DNA?
(06:44):
I was Jewish, you know, I knewabout fascism and suffering and
Nazism just with mother's milk.
And then I became very active inthe political movement, um, in
the anti-war movement, in thewomen's movement.
Very, very active.
I was arrested three times, andit was all out of passion and
(07:07):
caring.
I never gave one thought to whatam I gonna do for a living, or
how am I going to it wasn't inmy consciousness.
It was like, how am I going tohelp?
Which I know is your mantra too.
How am I gonna help?
What can I do?
The little that I could do.
(07:27):
And I was totally burnt out bythe time I was 35.
SPEAKER_01 (07:34):
It does happen like that, doesn't it?
Usually it does.
It has it's what they call themidlife crisis, but for us it's
like a turning point.
Yeah, it is a major moment ofshift.
Yes.
So that was for you.
How did you pivot out of thereand to step into a healing
(07:56):
space?
SPEAKER_02 (07:57):
I guess.
Very interesting question.
I was the um for four years, Iwas the West Coast coordinator
of the Wages for Houseworkcampaign where we were trying to
get recognition for women'swork.
The care the the work ofnurturing, the work of caring.
That's what housework is, istaking care of people.
(08:19):
And uh so I was doing that forfour years, and at the end of
that one, there was a bigblow-up in the organization, and
the anger and the infighting andand and the misogyny in the
movement, how the men werekeeping the women down.
And let me tell you, I I wasvery, very active, but they
(08:39):
still wanted me to make thecoffee.
It was insane.
But it was something thathappened in the organization.
I don't need to go into detailsof that, and all of a sudden it
was it was gone.
They uh they threw me out ofthey didn't, they wanted me to
do something that was wrong, andI just stopped.
And I had nothing.
(09:00):
I was nobody, I was emptyinside, I had been fighting for
others uh all my life, and um Iwas no one.
And at that moment I met a man.
Now he was a full-blownpracticing alcoholic.
He was had been a drug addict,he was a drug addict at the time
(09:21):
I knew him.
He was a mess, and he went to uha 12-step program.
So I called AA and I said, Howcan I get my boyfriend to stop
drinking?
And they told me to go toAl-Anon.
And I thought it I would go toAl-Anon, which was for the
families of alcoholics, and theywere gonna tell me how to get
them to stop drinking.
(09:43):
So and of course it was nothinglike that, because it was a
spiritual path for people whowere in these really painful,
difficult relationships ofpeople who were in terrible
trouble and were often lost.
And um, but it was a program forthe inside, and I I swear to
(10:04):
God, Sylvie, it was like amiraculous experience.
One of that became miracle aftermiracle.
But this was the first.
I went to this meeting and Ilooked at these women, because
they were all women, because atthat time the women stayed with
the men and the men left thewomen who were alcoholic,
because we we were thenurturers, right?
You know what I mean?
(10:24):
So what happened is that Ilooked at their faces and they
seemed m better emotionally morepeaceful and serene than I was.
And I said, I better sit down,shut up, and listen.
They have something I don'thave.
And I had a spiritual awakeningin that moment.
And two years later, because ofmy terrible health, I went to a
(10:48):
holistic chiropractor who sentme to a metaphysical counselor.
He said I was literally theweakest human being he'd ever
met, ever met.
They couldn't muscle test me.
You know what muscle testing is?
You go like this, and oh, and Ican ask you, are you allergic to
this or that?
They I couldn't hold up my arm,I couldn't hold one muscle.
(11:09):
I was 35 years old, you know.
And um she turned on a greenlight, and suddenly I could hold
one muscle.
It wasn't a lot, but it was alittle bit, and I thought, what
is this?
So this was the second miracle,and she starts telling me about
(11:31):
past lives, which and then Isaid to her, and I swear this is
the truth.
I said to her, It didn't happenthis way, it happened this way.
And I started telling her, likeI started seeing things, I had
visions, all I needed was agreen light, and I just I I had
a psychic awakening in aninstant.
(11:52):
Although when I think about it,from the time that I went to
Al-Anon, I was hearing the voiceof God, but I thought everybody
did.
I thought that was just normal,you know, because uh they talk
about it in the 12-step program.
But this was really intense, andthat day I went home and I
called my Al Anon sponsor, andshe said, Well, can you do that
for me?
And I said, Sure, why not?
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Come over.
And that was it.
I started seeing things andcounsel, I became a counselor
that day, and I have not gottenoff that path since.
Now it's been a very tumultuouspath, and I love just before our
show, you you talked about yourpath not being linear.
Well, God told me change isnonlinear, slow, nonlinear, and
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sudden.
Oh yeah.
It's like the water boils,right?
That's what happened.
So the water boiled and itbecame steam, and all of a
sudden I saw things differently,and I became intuitively guided.
Now, in the process of this,this part you're probably not
gonna like.
My guides, I had guides thatthey were called the ascended
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masters, doesn't matter who theywere, and they started revealing
themselves and telling me whatto do, and I was very, very
trained to stay in thatintersection between the human
and divine, and that's where Ilived.
I was always listening forguidance on everything, what I
should eat, if I should make aleft turn or a right turn.
That was my training, and that'show I became a counselor, and
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then they said, We're leaving.
It's time for you to own whatyou know.
And I said, I don't knowanything.
And I had just bought this bighouse for this organization that
I that I was building, and theysaid, And they said, We're
leaving.
I said, Thank you.
They left me with this mortgage.
Uh anyway, it was it's been likethat a wild ride.
In fact, some years ago, Godsaid to me, Beth, there is no
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God.
And I want you to teach there isno God.
There is only consciousness.
There is a higher level, and Ido I know you don't believe
that.
And I this is not about arguingabout different beliefs.
Beliefs are just the beliefs, itdoesn't matter.
It's the essence that God wantedme to teach that it was about
consciousness.
And so that I did that.
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I was I uh once I turnedsomebody turned on a microphone
and said, Okay, we're gonna tapeyou, and I didn't know what
topic I was gonna speak on.
And I said, and today I'm gonnaspeak about God, and that was
back in the early 80s, and itwas about God being God
evolving, and and thateverything evolves, including
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God, and that God is thetotality.
And I lost half of my clientsovernight.
So every step of the way,Sylvia, it's been I I reached a
point where I had to saysomething that I believed was
true or that I thought might behelpful.
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And no matter what theconsequence, I have to do it.
So spiritual activism, comingback to your question, I know
I've gone on and on.
I hope this is helpful anyway,um is about coming back to I
have to be an activist, I haveto do something to help with
suffering for the planetsuffering, people suffering,
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animal suffering.
I have to do what I can and andbut I have to do it from the
perspective of the higherconsciousness.
And that means not gettingcaught up in opinions.
That means always being open tothe guidance and coming from a
place of connection to thedivine and having the guts to do
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it.
SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
It does take guts to do it because in some cases it's
this radical obedience that mostpeople don't understand.
And when you're in thatposition, it feels sometimes you
feel a little lonely because youfeel like no one else is doing
this.
Why me, right?
But we're very gifted in feelingshifts, energy shifts.
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We're very gifted in feelingother people's feelings.
They call them empaths, but Icall them highly sensitive
people.
And I my husband and I both areHSPs, which can be a little
complicated in a marriage, butand I treat them are the same
way.
So we have uh an entire familythat can sense shifts in energy
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within each other, and which canbe interesting at times, but
very gifted and a true blessing.
Now, I don't disagree with youof God being consciousness
because God does come to us inthought.
Thoughts.
The thought is the consciousability of the mind, which most
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people think, oh, that'ssubconscious.
Nope, that's not subconscious.
Feeling is subconscious, but thethought and attitude and choice,
that's conscious ability of themind.
We don't use it as much on adaily basis as the other one, as
the other mind.
But when we learn to use theconscious ability of our mind,
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it actually can help transformthe subconscious beliefs.
Oh, yes, in a very big way.
Because those beliefs wereformed a long time ago when we
were faced with modeling andprogramming and trauma and and
experiences good and bad andugly and all the times that we
get in in daily life, and we allhave these belief systems that
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are driving our thoughts and ourfeelings, and ultimately the
results we have in our life.
So I'm in total agreement withyou that God does come across in
thought.
Mine is a persistent thought,and I know that to me, because I
have a faith background and adifferent journey than yours,
yeah.
I do know that's the Holy Spiritguiding me and saying, This is
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this is where you're meant togo, and this is what you're
meant to do.
Yes.
And I don't question it.
I do, and I know I get looks byother people like, why are you
doing this?
Yes, and I'm like, this isgreat.
This is because this is part ofmy gifting, this is part of my
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journey, and it's totally uniqueto me.
And so I'm actually taking stepsto to and I'm not a leader at
our church, but to do that, Ihad to go through a process.
And these questions that theywere asking me, I had to dig
deep inward.
I go deep and ask God, okay,what is the answer to this
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question from your perspective?
SPEAKER_02 (18:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:51):
Um, I've actually taught my husband to do this
because I think men strugglewith this a little bit more.
Oh, yeah.
Connection with the divine is, Ithink, more on the woman's side
than connected to the divinethan men are.
Men are too self-reliant.
SPEAKER_02 (19:05):
And I and that self-reliant to be.
They are their ethics, they'resupposed to be.
I think they have it in them,but I don't want to interrupt
you, but I just want to say Ithink they have it in them, but
they have been so brainwashedand conditioned to pretend that
they are self-reliant whennobody is.
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We are only part of the oneness.
SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
Yes.
We're all interconnected.
You and I are connected.
Yes.
Uh you and my daughter is we'reall connected.
And when God puts us in eachother's path, it's for a reason.
A very powerful reason.
Your gifts are supposed to alignto mine, and vice versa.
But most people don't see itthat way.
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They see it as a competition.
Um between men and women, menand women, which is the worst.
I cannot stand competition withbetween women or men and women
because it just defeats thepurpose altogether.
Yes, yes.
And so I'm in total alignment.
SPEAKER_02 (20:09):
There's I don't use different words.
It doesn't matter to me.
You say Holy Spirit, I knowexactly what you're talking
about.
Yeah, I you know, it and and andyou see, that's why I'm a
spiritual activist because Iwant to do something about the
capitalist system, which is allbased on competition.
Yeah.
(20:37):
It's all about profit usingpeople, exploiting people.
You're talking about okay, in myI wrote a book called I didn't
write this book.
I I I have six books.
Uh I I didn't write any of themreally, but it's it's nine play,
it's called Living with Reality.
And it's about how to evolvespiritually.
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And uh and in it I talk aboutoneness, uh, accountability, and
mutual support.
And those are the threeprinciples of the spiritual
activist movement.
I really have more, it's moredetailed than that.
But mutual support means I amhere to empower you, you are
here to empower me, therefore weare all more empowered.
We can create throughco-creation.
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We get because we co-create withthe universe.
We don't create, we co-createwith the universe in uh uh in a
dance of intention andallowance, and we have to be in
alignment with that, and we needto support one another instead
of so that each one of us canmake the contribution that we
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are there to make.
If you have a child who is sickor is drinking leaded water,
they're going to damage theirbrain.
That child might be the one thatcould have found the cure for
cancer.
I believe we all need healthcare, we all need clean water,
we all need to be encouraged.
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We need to learn, we need tolearn critical thinking and we
need to learn cooperation fromthe minute we are born.
We don't even do it, most of usdon't even learn cooperation in
our families.
Kids are competing with eachother, parents are competing
with each other.
That's the modeling that we'reseeing.
Plus, we're traumatized.
I so agree with you.
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That's why I'm a counselor.
I spend most of my, I mean mywork life is counseling people,
going back to the origins andusing my intuitive gifts to help
people to face things they don'twant to face about themselves.
Because we are so brainwashedand so conditioned, we think
this is God's will.
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This is the way it has to be.
And it isn't.
And so I think that I was, youknow, if you use the term God or
the concept God, it's there seeGod told me not to believe
anything, just to acknowledgethat beliefs are just beliefs.
When they're useful and helpful,keep them, and when they're not
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helpful, get rid of them.
SPEAKER_01 (23:11):
Or shift them, empower them.
Because I say the ego is the theenemy.
I said the ego is not the enemy,the ego is the self-image.
The self-image is comprised ofbad beliefs, shift them.
Yes, you just shift them, youdon't change them, you just from
I'm not enough to I am enough.
Or whatever it is, I'm a loser,I'm a winner.
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I mean, there's there's it'sit's just shifting them.
It's it's displaying the lieswithin you.
The lies performed long ago.
My goodness.
Like these things formed long,long ago, before the age of two
years old.
Yes, and we're still holding onto them as truth.
I'm not held on to mine forever.
I know it was so exhausting.
(23:55):
And then finally, I had thenear-death experience I
experienced in 2012, and facingsix doctors and saying, Well,
you have an 80% chance of dying,and you likely won't survive the
night and meeting a miracle, andI received three within 72
hours.
Well, that kind of shifts yourper purpose and perspective
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dramatically.
It's not right away because youknow, we're human and fallible
and we're stubborn.
At least I am.
You said you were born weird,well, I was born stubborn.
And so, my you know, God'ssaying, My stubborn child, let
me wake you up.
And since you don't listen to meand you haven't listened to my
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promptings, I need to use yourchoice.
And I'm gonna just just a littlepain.
You're gonna feel a little pain.
I'm just gonna wake you up and Ineed you to listen.
And so I listened after my threemiracles because it was hard not
to.
And uh and then I just I startedto ask the deeper questions of
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why am I here?
Like, why did I survive?
When so many people die frompulmonary embolisms, I had
multiple, I had so many, thedoctors were like astounded.
I even walked in, I walked inunassisted to the hospital.
I was in deep pain, and I shouldhave died multiple times, but I
survived, and they were all inshock.
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And at the end of my threemiracles, when the doctors come
in and they're like in totaldisbelief, yeah, that there is
no evidence of of illness.
I had already been told by God.
He had already made hisappearance known in the ICU with
my boyfriend who ended up beingmy my husband, and we both felt
his love and we both felt peacein an instant, and a knowing
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washed over me that I was okay,that I had received my second
chance.
And from that moment on, I havehad a very different
relationship with myself andwith God, because myself and God
are one.
It's this oneness approach thatwe must use with others.
When we when God loves us, heloves us completely and wholly.
(26:09):
Like every all of our mistakes,all of our faults, he does all
of it.
The way he loves us is the waywe are meant to love other
people.
But we don't understand thatconcept because we don't.
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Before then, it didn't makesense to me.
He tells you, like the consciousunconsciousness for you, that
made sense to you because hecreated you differently with a
different different part of hisplan because his sheep are all
different and they all thinkdifferently.
And he came to me years ago andsaid, Sylvia, I need you to go
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find my lost sheep and bring himback to me.
Okay, so you so I ended uphaving to learn all these other
modalities because I had to meetpeople exactly where they were,
whether they believed in him ornot.
Yeah, I was there to guide themback to him calmly and
peacefully.
None of this fighting, none ofthis, oh my gosh, you guys are
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gonna fight it up.
Nope.
None of that came into play.
And for people that I callmyself a Christian now, in the
Christian world, I would be anabomination because I talk to
different sectors that are notnecessarily who they believe are
Christ's followers, right?
SPEAKER_02 (27:35):
They're not prejudiced, you know, prejudiced
enough.
That's your problem, Sylvia.
SPEAKER_01 (27:42):
So I keep there and I go, okay.
But you know, I've had my mydirection from God, and I am
obedient.
I don't question him, I justsimply do.
Yes, and I do it through thispodcast, I do it through my
books, I do it when I speak toothers, when I share testimony.
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This is a thing for you.
I'm imagining, I'm feeling fromyou that you get the same
intuitive hits that I get.
I get visions, you get visions,probably as well, and we just
feel like our way through life,which for some people that's
hard to do because in our world,we're told you need to control
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your circumstances.
Yeah, that's what a joke.
And there is no control, that'san illusion.
Exactly.
Of our mind, just likeperfectionism, there is no
perfection.
He's perfect, we're not.
SPEAKER_02 (28:42):
I say God isn't perfect, and neither are we, but
it's we're really saying thesame thing using different
words.
What's something different?
And you're so right.
We're we're built differently,we have different purposes.
See, the way I see it, and andall which is so much in
alignment with what you'resaying, is well, let me tell you
what God told me once.
I wrote a book called God'sLittle Aphorisms.
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And one of the because I, youknow, I would get these zingers
from the source that I you knowit just came from nowhere.
And I know I'm not that smart.
You know, I'm smart, but I'm notthat smart.
And and uh so I was beratingmyself for not for making a
mistake or not knowingsomething.
And God said to me, Beth, if Ihad meant you to know
everything, I wouldn't have hadto create other people.
SPEAKER_01 (29:27):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (29:33):
Yes, we are made for a job.
I am I am designed to be who Iam.
I'm a musician.
I'm the you know, I I I have apolitical background so that I
can go out into the world nowand I can talk about the society
from the perspective from thespiritual perspective that is a
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part of me that is so much apart of me, I I couldn't lose it
if I wanted to.
SPEAKER_01 (30:00):
I think you get to to begin with.
I think it'd be like yeah, seemy role will come into play and
I will, you know, it'll comeback.
Um, I mean, this is therelationship I have with them.
It's a really interestingrelationship.
And my kids often will say, Mom,are you talking to yourself
again?
Are you talking to him?
And I'm like, Oh, I'm talking tohim.
He's sitting right next to me,and like, wow, the belly right
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next to me as I'm driving thecar.
SPEAKER_02 (30:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:25):
But I it's a very natural relationship that I want
them to understand withourselves and with him.
And yes, you're right.
We do use different language,but the message is quite the
same.
SPEAKER_02 (30:38):
Right.
The energy behind it is thesame.
The intention behind it is thesame.
The consciousness behind it isthe same.
And I I I love this.
And I love I've always felt veryclose to people who were
extremely religious in a realway, because they're hearing the
same message I am.
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And it's it hurts to see peopleusing religion in order to
demean others or hurt otherpeople, or exclude them
completely.
SPEAKER_01 (31:08):
I wrote a post not too long ago on uh you know
excluding people because theyloved different genders.
Yeah.
And that really hit a nerve, butit also forced people to think
about things.
Because you see, I used Jesus'ministry.
(31:29):
I said, if you look at Jesus'life when he came to earth,
yeah, he included women, whichin those years was a big no-no.
Oh, yeah.
And then he included thievesbecause Peter or Simon was a
thief.
Yes, and you know, they were theoutcast, the tax collectors.
Who would be the outcast todayin society?
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And these uh they're like, well,homosexuality would be the
outcast, quote unquote, or thegender, the different genders
and the different sex.
SPEAKER_02 (32:01):
And the immigrants as well, by the way.
SPEAKER_01 (32:03):
And the immigrants, yeah, they would be considered
the outsiders, right?
Yeah, what would Jesus say?
Yeah, exactly.
What would his opinion be?
And why was the plan standing soenlightening to people?
And people are like, and you'rea Christian, and I said, Yes,
I'm a Christian.
And but I also think that theChristians that believe this
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need to stand up because it willbalance out what the true, like
the difference between religionand faith.
Because you see, I'm not reallyI don't consider myself
religious.
Yeah.
See, Jesus didn't work.
SPEAKER_02 (32:41):
Jesus didn't work for it.
SPEAKER_01 (32:43):
Jesus didn't consider himself religious if
you think about it.
He didn't agree with thePharisees.
He was constantly against them,constantly calling them out for
the rules.
You and I and Jesus were beenfriends because I was always the
level.
I was always breaking the rules,going against the string.
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And and people were like, Whyare you saying these things?
It was so different.
Well, it's because we were builtto be these different people
that had people question theirmotives.
Why are you doing this?
What is the purpose behind this?
Yeah, your purpose is to drawpeople closer to him.
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You're not.
But the way you're you'reattacking them and you're using
scripture, his word, to excludepeople, he'd be he'd be so
excited.
He'd be horrified with that.
So I'm always the one that stepsin and defends him and says, No,
no, no, no, no.
See, that's not what God wants.
This is not what Jesus would sayyes to.
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This is not the way he wantsthis done.
He wants us to love him and loveothers the way he with us.
That's it.
SPEAKER_02 (33:58):
That's what he wants.
Isn't that what uh isn't thatthe saying what you do unto the
least of my brethren you do untome?
Yes.
How can you possibly justifythis behavior?
But you see, this is where theego comes in.
And I agree with you.
The ego, I think of it as theego twice-born.
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It's the ego evolves, and whenthe ego starts to support us in
the right way, then the ego istwice twice born.
But the ego is born in ourinfancy, you know, we're like
immediately fighting forourselves, we're out of the
womb, and we've got to fight forourselves.
And then our whole, you know, uhthe we learn how to manipulate,
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we learn how to get what wewant.
We we don't, we're not taught tocare about other people.
And this kind of survivalmechanism that in in the living
with reality, the introductionis called ego, instinct, and
evolution, and it's all abouthow the ego comes into play and
how it runs us, these oldpatterns run us for the rest of
our lives, and it makes usblind, it makes us
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short-sighted, it makes usself-centered, we don't
understand the oneness.
You know, God gave me another uhaphorism, which was you can't
clean the air over one house inLos Angeles.
So if you think you're gonnamake a great life for yourself,
you're wrong.
Because if you're living in asick world, if you're living in
a depressed world, if you'reliving in an angry world, if
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you're living in wherever peopleare poor and can't get their
needs met, your life is damaged.
You can, I don't care how manywalls you build, you still have
that stinking air over you, youknow, that pollution, because
that is something we have to docollectively.
We have to heal the collectiveon an emotional level, on a
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spiritual level, as you'retalking about, and also deal
with the collective.
I have something called the NewDeclaration of Independence, and
uh that God told me to write thenew, you know, God keeps popping
in, even though he says there isno God.
So I mean I understand thesubtleties of things are
nuanced.
These are these are all humanconcepts.
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You know, we think in humanconcepts, so I laugh about it.
In fact, once in the early days,I asked my guides, I said, Do
you exist?
And they said, What do you care?
Is this helping or not?
So if it's helping, use it.
If it's not, get rid of it.
(36:33):
So I get it.
It's like, oh, where when you wget into the oneness, there are
no concepts, there are nodistinctions, you're just kind
of like you know.
God gave me an analogy too aboutuh the white light, which I
think you might enjoy, which isum that if you look at the white
light and you put it through theprism, you'll see all these
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colors.
But it's really all the aspectsof the white light, and that to
me is what God is, is thetotality and all these things
that we're afraid of, includinganger, including h you know,
there there's no duality inreality.
It's all oneness.
(37:16):
But we have to learn how to dealwith these emotions and not let
them dominate us because theyare we're run by our guts.
We people think that they'rerational, but they're not.
Uh, you know, i it's wonderfulbeing a counselor because I get
to see irrationalityirrationality uh in action every
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day and try to get to the depthof what was the trauma, what was
the treen training, what was itthat got you to think this way?
Because not everybody is gonnahave like the miraculous
transformational moment that youhad.
A lot of people it's like youknow, there these things, these
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beliefs have roots, and you'vegot to go in there and you've
got to pull them all out.
Because if you don't pull themall out, they're gonna drag you
back.
And so as a counselor, that ismy job is to go in there and
pull out all the roots of thethings that are self-destructive
and destructive to others.
And the ego just gets so wrappedup in defending you in its own
(38:22):
egoic way, it thinks it's thehero.
SPEAKER_01 (38:25):
It does, it takes on the hero's journey, and it's
not.
It's not, it's just one aspect,it's the mind aspect of it, it's
the the the belief that that aredriving these results.
That's all it is, and so it'sidentifying and becoming aware
of what those beliefs are,shifting them, empowering them
(38:47):
rather, which is what I discussin my first book.
Well, my the second edition ofmy first book, it's the same
theme of like the ego, the soul,and spirit becoming one.
And it's that life's journey isall about that.
It's about aligning all threetogether because the soul has
always been there.
(39:08):
This person that God created youto be, she's always been there.
Yes, it's just now you've got tomake sure that these layers
aren't on top, mucking it up.
Exactly, exactly.
Remove, remove a line and moveforward as a one piece.
When he talks to us, we listen,we obey, we move through life.
SPEAKER_02 (39:29):
We are the God that's talking to us.
We are we are one with the Godthat's talking to us.
I my will is your will is God'swill.
SPEAKER_01 (39:37):
That's we're one, we're one with him, and so we
there is no I'm a loser becausehe doesn't create losers.
That's right.
That's right.
He's not a loser, so that's I'mnot a loser.
The great I am.
This is why in coaching the I amstatements are so powerful.
Yeah, because we are in essenceidentifying ourselves as him.
(40:02):
Yeah.
Or however you see God, youknow, because we have the uh
feminine and the masculinedivine, and you know, man,
however, it works for you, andhowever it makes sense to you,
use whatever.
But the truth is the onenessaspect is the message that needs
to be clear.
And I know that that's been yourpurpose.
It sounds like it, right?
SPEAKER_02 (40:22):
Oh, all my life.
All my life.
That was when I was five yearsold and I was lecturing people,
and I I didn't have any ideathat there was anything unusual
about that.
It was all about oneness.
I didn't like the way that theJewish people, because I was
grew up Jewish, how they weretreating the Jewish immigrants
that were coming over after theHolocaust.
(40:43):
They called them greenhorns.
And you know, how could you dothat?
SPEAKER_01 (40:49):
No, no.
You just don't, but it's the theprejudice, you know.
But that's why you but that'swhy you're here.
You release the doubt and yourevealed your purpose at the age
of five.
So that's pretty cool.
Most people don't get that.
You know, some of us don't getuntil we we are forced into a
corner, like I was, and we'relike, okay, here comes your
(41:09):
purpose.
Ready?
Here comes.
Um, but and and some people livetheir whole life and never
understand the concept ofoneness.
They don't.
SPEAKER_02 (41:21):
No, they no, they don't.
They really don't.
They think it has to do withbeing the same.
It has nothing to do with beingthe same, it's about being an
integrated whole, that wetogether are God.
You know, it is not me or you.
I am, you know, but I mean, Ithink people have really
distorted all of that and usedthe the spirituality in uh
(41:43):
service to the ego.
SPEAKER_01 (41:45):
Yes.
And go it shows his purpose toto show us the contrast of what
once was, the way we believed,and who we are now becoming.
And it's okay, you know, to havethat contrast, but realize that
it's not who you are, who youwere created to be.
It's just the layers of yourexperiences.
(42:08):
That's what ego is.
That's what it is.
SPEAKER_02 (42:11):
I have another thought about the ego that it's
there to tell you that you needto put on a sweater.
It's the thought that protectsyou in a healthy way, and that's
it, but not to have it dominateyour whole life.
I see people, they're soself-protective, they can't do
anything, but what are theyprotecting?
(42:31):
They're not really protectingtheir inner beings, they're not
living an authentic life, theydon't love themselves.
They're busy drinking and takingdrugs and womanizing and being
angry and climbing the ladder tosuccess.
And they will never get thatpeace that only comes from that
(42:53):
feeling of connection toeverything that come and I don't
always feel it either.
You know, when I read the news,my stomach turns, and then I
have to go back into the I amthat.
That's one of my favoritephrases, I am that.
So I wanted to tell you aboutthe new Declaration of
Independence only because whenGod told me that I was supposed
to write this a couple of monthsago, um, I went and I read the
(43:14):
Declaration of Independence, andit's about life, livity, and the
pursuit of happiness.
And it says if the government isgetting in the way of that, you
have a right to abolish it.
So I say, okay, guys, we have aright to abolish this.
Uh this is the the capitalistsystem is based on ego.
It's all about me.
It's all about me.
(43:34):
So, and I can go into thepolitical and economic analysis,
but well, I don't need to dothat here.
So it's not, but it isn't aboutme, it's about we.
And what we need to do is getrid of a system that feeds that,
that feeds that you have tocompete to survive, you have to
take from someone else that it'snot about uh the we, it's not
(43:58):
about the universe, and thensubstitute for it something
different and look forward to apositive vision.
And I believe it's reallyimportant to have a positive
vision, and I talk about thingslike corporations that have
workers on their boards, notjust not having this one is
(44:19):
exploiting the weaker.
How do we build up everybody'sstrength, everybody's power,
everybody's well-being in thesociety?
And I believe that the purposeof an economy is to meet the
needs of people in the earth.
SPEAKER_01 (44:36):
Yes, yes, it is, and that's the way he taught us in
his life.
Like it was about makingeverybody better.
And that's that's the message Iwant to leave the listeners or
release out with today, becausewhat you and I have talked about
and discussed, there's a lot ofprosal wisdom shared without
asking the question of the tipsand the you know of what we
(44:59):
would do in Crossroads.
You shared all of that with yourstory of transformation.
Thank you, Beth, for being hereand for sharing your story and
your heart and yourvulnerability, because not
everybody has the courage.
I know you said you were bornweird, but not everybody has the
courage to like talk about thesethings openly.
They they want to hide.
(45:19):
And I appreciate you coming hereand discussing this this subject
matter that really needed to bediscussed, especially in the in
the turbulent times we findourselves in.
We need more of the messages ofoneness, of hope, yes, of peace,
because there's a lot of peoplewith a lot of anxiety right now,
(45:40):
especially in on the worldstage.
So any last-minute words youwant to leave our listeners
with, Beth.
SPEAKER_02 (45:50):
Don't give up.
Don't ever give up.
Don't ever give up searching foryour inner self.
Don't ever give up for standingup for your real self and not
for the make-believe self thatwe create for the world in order
to get ahead.
(46:10):
No, there are people planted outthere everywhere who are
standing up, who are trying todo the right thing, that deep
inside us we are all the same.
We all have compassion, we allhave courage.
Some of us, it's been beaten outof us.
And and and not not to judge thepeople who are doing wrong, but
(46:34):
to try to extend a hand and knowthat deep inside us we are one.
SPEAKER_01 (46:40):
I love that.
I love that.
Thank you so much for joiningus, Beth.
I will send you the clip whenit's available.
And to the listeners of ReleaseDoubt, Reveal Purpose, remember
Matthew 5.14.
Be the light.
Have a wonderful week.
Stay safe.
SPEAKER_02 (46:56):
Love ya.
Thank you so much.
Bye-bye.
SPEAKER_00 (47:03):
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