From Strategy to Surrender: Dr. Nona Djavid's Journey from Burnout to a Life of Ease, Joy, and Faith
October 16, 2025 • 43 mins
What if the life you built isn’t the life you want—and the way through isn’t more hustle, but more trust? We sit down with Dr. Nona Djavid, an immigrant from Iran who did everything “right”: advanced degrees, a thriving practice, marriage, and motherhood. Then, in a quiet moment on a closet floor, she realized strategy had delivered success without fulfillment—and chose a new path anchored in surrender, identity, and ease.
Throughout this conversation, we explore the distinction between forcing outcomes and allowing a vision to unfold. Dr. Nona explains why our bodies become chemically addicted to stress, how “the other shoe will drop,” and why replacing the nervous system loop requires daily repetition of new states, such as joy and gratitude.
She shares her four-step framework for a true leap: writing an unreasonable vision in the present tense, expanding your identity to your signature self, embodying that self in ordinary moments, and taking unreasonable, aligned action.
If this conversation resonated, please send Dr. Nona a note on Instagram (@nonadjavid) for her free 90-minute training and mention this podcast, Release Doubt, Reveal Purpose.
If you'd like a copy of host Sylvia Worsham's bestselling book, In Faith, I Thrive: Finding Joy Through God's Masterplan, visit her website at www.sylviaworsham.com and download your free chapter!
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SPEAKER_00 (00:02):
If you've ever struggled with fear, doubt, or
worry and wondering what yourtrue purpose was all about, then
this podcast is for you.
In this show, your host, SylviaWarsham, will interview elite
experts and ordinary people thathave created extraordinary
lives.
So here's your host, SylviaWarsham.
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I've still got a lot of fight left.
SPEAKER_03 (00:29):
Hey Lightbringers, it's Sylvia Warsham.
Welcome to Release Out Review ofPurpose.
And today is Dr.
Nona Jeffid.
And she is an immigrant fromIran.
And when I read her phenomenalintroduction, I was blown away.
She had her PhD in neurology andchiropractic, had a successful
career, and then had a moment, amajor turning point that made it
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all come to light.
So without further ado, welcomeDr.
Nona on release out revealpurpose.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
Yes, thank you for having me.
We were just chatting rightbefore.
It seems like so much alignmentalready.
So I'm excited to dive in.
SPEAKER_03 (01:10):
I'm fairly excited.
And I'll tell you why, becausewhen you said the line that
really caught my attention isit's not about strategy, it's
about surrender that reallyspoke to me because it's been a
line that's been resonating withme for the last couple of weeks.
I've seen it more and more.
And so I'm thinking there'ssomething to this is surrender
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instead of strategy.
So really tell us your story oftransformation.
I know you have a story ofcoming to this country and
checking off the boxes of whatyou thought success was all
about and then realizing halfwaythrough your journey that nope,
that's not it.
So do tell us your story oftransformation.
SPEAKER_02 (01:51):
Yeah, totally.
I want to start by saying thatI'm no expert in surrender or
trust, but what I am is astudent of trust.
As a matter of fact, uh, ifanyone's watching this on video,
I have a tattoo that says truston my on my arm.
Constant reminder to trust andsurrender and to lean into the
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vision for the future.
So it didn't always start outthis way.
Um, as you brought up, I I wasborn in Iran.
I moved to the United Stateswhen I was 16 years old, and I
didn't speak a word of English.
And then I jumped into highschool and I was then a senior
in high school.
I skipped a year and now I'm asenior in high school, barely
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speak a word of English.
And um, you know, and and alsocoming from Iran, my parents,
they had uh they sold everythingand they brought their entire
life savings to the UnitedStates, but because of the
currency exchange rates, webasically hit poverty levels
immediately, as soon as weliterally landed in Los Angeles.
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So there were a lot of complexemotions that had happened at
the time, which then I'll kindof fast forward to the story and
bring us back to this point thatwere pivotal in my story of
struggle as well as my story ofsort of you know the Phoenix
rising, if you would.
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So I continued that path and Ilearned English and I went to
Berkeley and I got my doctoratedegree and I studied neurology
and I started a business and Igot married and I had my first
child and you know checked offliterally every single box that
society tells you.
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My parents, the culture, themedia, the world, the
consciousness tells you theseare the things that will make
you successful and happy.
And so I checked off all ofthose boxes, and I remember um
one day I had a business thatwas really successful, so I took
a call with my team members anduh 13 team members at the time,
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went over some numbers, like atypical day, put my son to
sleep.
He was just born, he was a brandnew baby at the time.
Uh, he's 10 now, so this is adecade ago just for timeline.
And I put him down for a nap andI walked myself into the closet,
to the walk-in closet, and Ishut the door and I shut the
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lights, and I sat there againstthe wall, and I held on to my
knees and I started sobbingbecause I had this I'd built
this life and this business andthis marriage, and I'd given it
all of what I had.
I had built it based on strategyof setting I'm gonna set goals,
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and this is what I'm gonna donext, and this is what I'm gonna
do next, and here's how I'mgonna do it.
And I had built it from a placeof scarcity and not enoughness,
not enoughness.
So while this was nearly aseven-figure business, while I
was married to a great man, Iwas completely unhappy,
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unsatisfied, unfulfilled,broken, alone.
And I had this, you know, what Icall a God moment, you know,
plug in whatever you believe in,but I had a God moment in the
closet where I realized what Ihad been doing was not going to
work.
I mean, this could really be theend as I'm sitting in the
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closet, or I thought perhapsthis could be a beginning to
something.
But if it was going to be thebeginning to something, I would
absolutely have to do somethingthat was different.
And I remember uh in in thoseseries of moments uh that I was
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completely burnt out thinking,well, where what was it that I
truly wanted to experience as alittle girl before I became a
mom, before I had to nurtureeverybody, before I had to
overgive, and before I became awife, and before I became a
doctor or a student, like Imean, before any of those roles
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were taken, why did I come here?
Why did my soul choose to arriveand expand?
What did I come here toexperience?
And uh I remember having avision that wasn't the first
time that I had the vision, butthere was one distinguishing
factor.
So when I was a little girl, youknow, as we all kind of dream
about this really magical life,and in my case, I love to travel
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and adventure, and I love tohave an impact in the world that
is meaningful.
I um wanted to be in love, Iwanted to travel with my kids,
and I wanted to be present withmy children, with my family.
None of those did I have in thatmoment.
Um, but this time, and this wasa vision I had had before, but
this time I made a decision tocontinue, and this is where
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surrender plays a role, tocontinue to say yes to the
vision and to continue tosurrender to the vision that I
had had for you know all ofperhaps all of my life, instead
of asking, well, who do youthink that you are, or that's
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not possible, or you're sittingin the closet, why do you think
that you're going to have thislevel of life or this level of
freedom or this level of impact?
So instead of questioning thevision and allowing the noise to
get in my head and in the way ofthe vision, to continue to
surrender to the vision, whichto me in that moment meant to
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say yes to the vision.
The other difference in thisparticular area as I moved
forward was instead ofapproaching the vision from a
place of strategy, like youknow, what how am I gonna do
this?
What are step one through ten?
Instead of approaching it fromstrategy and approaching it from
a place of scarcity and notenoughness, I made a decision to
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approach it in a state of easeand love and fun and joy and
freedom.
So I was going to get to myvision without struggle, which
is what I had been doing upuntil that point, was really to
surrendering while why we're allhere to experience all the range
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of the emotions, but having theability to choose the next uh
the next energy, the nextfrequency.
SPEAKER_03 (08:35):
I find it interesting because one I had
several questions that came upas you were speaking.
And first off, what a powerfultestimony to visualize you in
that closet.
I could put myself there andthink if I had what she had and
experienced that unhappiness, Iwould totally break down as
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well.
So very relatable.
Thank you for sharing that.
First off, my question is howeasy was it for you to just be
and not do?
SPEAKER_02 (09:13):
Thank you for asking that.
I make it a point every time Ishare the story, and also thank
you for validating me because itdid take me a long time to share
the story, and I find that it'sit's very healing.
I never thought it would bringthe healing that it's brought
for me since I started sharingthis story or any level of
vulnerability.
Um and thank you for asking thequestion.
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Like, how did you get into thebeing?
Was it difficult to do?
How long did it take?
So I always make it a point tosay it's not an overnight
decision or it's not anovernight um success.
We're talking, I mean, in thepast decade, a divorce sold
business, lost half a milliondollars, um, revamped and redid
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the business.
You know, I mean, there are somany different things, met the
love of my life, traveling theworld.
So like all of these things havehave happened in a spam in a
span of uh 10 years of over adecade now.
And I think uh the key thoughwas walking out of the closet
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and not just choosing tosurrender and say yes to the
vision when I'm inspired or whenI'm fired up or when I'm happy,
or it was, and this was thechallenging part, but really a
commitment to choosing surrenderand choosing ease and choosing
joy in the moments of doubt, inthe moments of fear.
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And I think that was really thekey that I had recognized I was
going to master myself.
I wasn't going to master thestrategy and figure out some
external strategy that was gonnaget me to the next level.
I was more focused on how can Imaster myself moment by moment.
And it took a while, and I'mstill working on it.
SPEAKER_03 (11:07):
I didn't always work on it until the die.
You know, and I call it agraduation of sorts into heaven,
because for me I'm veryfaith-based, and it the faith
has really kept me on adifferent path than my first
act.
The first act, like you talkedso eloquently on it's based on
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fear, and my first mastermind isfreedom from fear.
What does that look like?
Because a lot of people, fear isaddictive.
If you think about it, it has alot of energy.
We know how to handle fear,we've lived with it, we lived
with the scarcity mindset, weknow how to strategize out of
there.
What I found that most peoplestruggle with is to be in joy,
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to really understand what joyfeels like, and those small
moments of joy that come to ourlife, they're they're fleeing.
I mean, they're not the biggestmoments, but we tend to miss
them because we're caught up inthe checking off the boxes and
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the doing, because we're reallygood at that.
I mean, we really have masteredthat.
The mastery comes, like yousaid, in the everyday choice to
be, to stop your thinking whenit when it wants to take you
down a rabbit hole of overwhelmand doing and not doing enough.
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I think it's it's an everydaydiscipline to choose to say no.
And in the last two days, it'sinteresting that you brought
this up because I've had to talkto myself instead of listen to
myself.
SPEAKER_01 (12:57):
Sure.
SPEAKER_03 (12:57):
And I'll tell myself, so you're not
overwhelmed.
You you live a very beautifullife, and you can do this, it's
just one baby step at a time.
That's all it is.
And it's like any other thingthat you learn to do, you gotta
do it in baby steps, smallsteps, right?
And the more you do it, themore, the more your identity
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evolves into this person.
And I always talk to my daughterabout these habits that we are
forming at a young age, why wedo these things.
We don't do them because we haveto.
We do them because we arecreating the identity of the
person that we're born to be,right?
We're removing these layers thatcome about because of the
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modeling we get from our parentsand the generational stuff that
gets passed down.
I came from a Mexicanbackground, and it there's some
belief systems that came from mygrandmother that just kept
passing down because, well, thisis the way it is, and it's like
not really, you know how tochoose that.
I used to I used to think youhave to sacrifice something to
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have it all.
Like you can't be all thesethings, and I'm like, well,
where did that come from?
And that came from all thegrandmothers from all the
generations ago, because that'sthe way their society had built
things to be.
But that doesn't mean that weneed to follow the same thing,
and you're right, we want to betotally different individuals
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than we become.
SPEAKER_02 (14:28):
Absolutely.
Yeah, so many gems in what youjust shared, uh, brought up so
many things in me.
One, uh, you're right, thoseemotions of fear and stress and
overwhelm, they are anaddiction.
All emotions are addictions.
Um, and you know, if I ask you,when was the last time you were
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stressed out?
If you're listening to this, youmight say this morning, an hour
ago, right now, you know, lastweek.
But if I say, unless you have aspiritual practice of gratitude
or something like that, I go,when was the last time you were
grateful?
You're gonna be like, if youhave one, that's mornings,
you're gonna say this morning.
But if you don't have one, yougo, I don't really actively go
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into and innately move intogratitude, but you know the
feeling and the emotion ofstressed out and overwhelmed.
And so one missing link here,and and I learned this from my
background in neurology andmedicine, is the neurochemistry
of stress, the neurochemistry ofoverwhelm.
Because every time you arestressed out, every time you are
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tapped into struggle, there isliterally neurotransmitters
released in your nervous systemin your body that are just like
a drug.
So your body becomes addicted tothe stress and truly in a form
of a chemical addiction.
So you're addicted to stress,which means even when things are
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going great, I call it the othershoe is gonna drop syndrome,
you're thinking, when is thenext time I'm gonna get my hit
of stress?
I mean, you're not thinking thatactively or consciously, but
these are emotional addictions,which is exactly why if you
choose to say yes to the nextemotion that you are
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intentionally picking joy, love,service, abundance, freedom, you
know, whatever it is, impactthat you want to experience, if
you keep choosing that over andover in a form of repetition,
now you are replacing those oldaddictions, old patterns with
new addictions.
Now, will it ever go away?
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I don't believe so.
I don't know one single person,and I work with so many
beautiful humans that are happy,and so many beautiful humans
that are successful, and so manybeautiful humans that are happy
and successful and fulfilled.
And this this is a never-endinggame.
You consistently have to choosea different energetic state, or
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choose a different um frequency,or choose a different addiction,
addiction to joy.
And um also want to address whatyou said about pat getting, you
know, these things get passed onto us.
No baby is ever unless there isactual reasons, you know,
through the birth process orsomething like that.
But typically, innately, we arenot born with stress and
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overwhelmed, those are learnedbehaviors, those are things that
our body has taken on because ofa trauma or something, or
something has been passed on tous.
And some of these are beliefsystems that are passed on.
The other part of the equationis ancestral through the DNA.
I mean, like my body has livedthrough what my
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great-great-great greatgrandmother has lived to some
degree.
So this is getting ancestrallypassed on to me that I have to
overcome.
But the great news is we get tohopefully shift the next
generation or the next wave of,even if you don't have kids, the
next wave of um people that arecoming through.
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Because the reality is you areborn with infinite potential.
We have we are literally bornwith only two fears fear of loud
noises and fear of um falling.
Not fear of failing, but fear offalling.
SPEAKER_03 (18:26):
Yeah, and we all have those dreams, right?
Those nightmares where we'refalling and we wake up and we're
sweating.
I remember, I do remember havingthat horrible nightmare.
SPEAKER_02 (18:35):
And you're right, that really is the only fear
that's the only fear as a baby,because you're you know, and
it's not really a fear whenwe're born, actually.
It's more of a reflex.
You go to put the baby down andthe baby startles, or there's a
loud noise and the babystartles.
But there's no actual fear,there's no doubt, there is no
stress, there's no overwhelmwhen you are born.
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All of those are learned orpicked up behavior that have
brought you to this point.
Um, so if you're struggling inyour life or if you're stuck in
your life, it's time to unhookfrom those and really hook on
and surrender into the visionthat you may have had for a
lifetime or a new vision for thefuture.
SPEAKER_03 (19:19):
Yes, it just brings up so much.
I'm still like so curious aboutthe tips, like the everyday tips
that you can share with thelisteners of released out reveal
purpose in terms of once youmake the decision, hey, I want
to do this.
We all know that our mind hasthe ability, like at the initial
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starts of any change, we're veryexcited.
But halfway through, the mindkind of kicks in.
The what I call the egoidentity, which is the past
programming, the modeling thatcan come into play, will kick in
and say, no, you can't do this,and those people quit.
So, can you give us some tips onhow to push past that ego
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identity?
SPEAKER_02 (20:07):
Yeah, absolutely.
So, and this works because itutilizes the nervous system,
literal reprogramming of thenervous system.
I have a four-step um frameworkthat I teach.
I I we won't have time to likeexpand on all of it, but I'll
just briefly go over the foursteps and I'll tell you what is
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my non-negotiable that haschanged my life over and over
and over again, bothprofessionally and in my
personal life, and this is whatI teach.
And then if anyone's interested,I'm happy to like send an
extended version of this.
But the very first step in theprocess, you've got to have an
unreasonable vision.
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You've got to kind of tap in,get childlike, figure out what
were the things that you wantedor what are the things that you
do want.
It doesn't have to come fromyour childhood, but it's got to
be childlike.
You know, I want a unicorn, Idon't know, I want a farmhouse,
I want a beach house, I want tohave this level of impact, I
want to write a book, I want tospeak all over the world.
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Whatever that unreasonablevision is, you've got to write
that down.
Write it down in present tense,add in all the emotions, put in
the visceral feelings ofexperiencing that as if it's
already happened, as if it'shappening right now, you're
living that life.
That is the foundation ofeverything.
There's so many aspects that gointo this that gets your nervous
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system to feel safe in that.
But I'll go over the couple ofother steps.
The step two, these are thesteps to quantum leap, if you
would.
So, in step two, and we've kindof already talked about this a
bit, is you have to expand youridentity.
All right, you have to expandyour identity.
What this means is the versionof me who I just wrote out in
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the first step, right?
Living this life and has thiskind of relationship and has
this kind of impact, thatversion of me who is she?
Because it's clearly not me.
Now, I want to be very clear,even though this step is
expanded identity, what it trulyis is taking you back to who you
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innately were before the fearpopped in, before the identity
stuff came in, before you weretold who you you need to become.
So this is really going back tothe core of your unlimited
potential.
So in step two, you're using theleft part of the brain to ride
out who is the version of you,what are the traits, what are
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the habits, what are thepersonality things of the this
version of you that's livingthat life you described in step
one?
Step three, embodiment of thatparticular identity.
So I could show up to this Zoom,uh, to this podcast, to this
episode, I could show up to myemails, I could show up to my
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clients, I should show up to mychildren or to my husband.
But who am I gonna show up as?
Am I gonna show up as theversion of me now that is
limited, or will I show up asthe version of I call her this
the signature self?
Do I show up as my signatureself?
And what does that feel in mybody?
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This is where you engage theright side of the brain and the
limbic system.
So that's step three.
And then in step four, you thestep four is called taking
unreasonable action.
Unreasonable action.
These are the kinds of actionsthat the this current version of
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you would not be taking.
These are the kinds of actionsbecause this current version of
you would take the actions thatbring about the same things you
have been doing, right?
Maybe 10% improvement,incremental growth, right?
But what are the actions thatthe next version, the signature
self version of you, would betaking?
So you've got to look at whatthose unreasonable actions would
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be and take those.
Now, that could be overwhelming,right?
Four steps.
What do you want me to do withthis?
And this is a whole retreat, andyou're right, it is.
This is I break this down inretreats and workshops and
things like that, and weliterally walk people through
this.
But here's the number one tipand the non-negotiable in my
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life, because I've seen at work,is uh to start with the vision
and to read and feel the visionin your mind's eye as if it's
already happened.
Now, I'm gonna tell you why thisis important when your body and
your nervous system will onlyexperience what it has
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experienced in the past.
So if you've been experiencingtrauma, stress, overwhelmed, not
enoughness, scarcity aroundmoney, whether yourself, your
family members, or that's whatyou've been around, that's
exactly what you're gonnaexperience.
This is just pure facts.
Now, the only way around it isif you give your body and your
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nervous system somethingdifferent to experience.
And by reading the vision andfeeling the vision and giving
that to your nervous system,you're actually making that next
level life safe for your nervoussystem to experience.
And in in this process, you ifyour dream vision is really
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authentic, it's really you'velistened to your heart, and this
is the seed that has beenplanted by God in your heart or
universe or whatever you believein, then you're surrendering to
the desire.
You're saying, This is gotta bemine, if this is what I've been
wanting, or this is what I myheart wants to experience, it's
got to be mine.
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And if you believe that, thatcomes with the how.
It's packaged up in the how.
If you can just let go andsurrender to the vision, and it
makes it safe for your nervoussystem to go, I can, it's okay
for me to have this beautiful,joyful, easy, impactful life.
SPEAKER_03 (26:11):
I'm in total agreement with you.
A lot of what was coming up forme, uh, for those that know, and
you may not know, but I wrote abook in Faith I Thrive, and it
was published last year, but thefirst version of it was
published in 2021.
And what you're describing isbasically the cycle of
transformation that I kind ofguide people through because we
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use the power, it sounds likethe power of the imagination,
which is very powerful.
The mind does not know thedifference between what you've
already lived through and whatyou're imagining.
So it could it kind of takes itas truth.
Am I good or not good on that?
Is that realistic?
And what I have found that rightat the point of change, which is
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where most of us want to shiftgears and move in the direction
of our soul, the soul identityand the ego identity are
constantly battling each otherout.
That's the mind and the spiritkind of battling it out.
And what really makes thedifference is the desire that
you feel on the inside that isgearing you to move in the
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direction of your soul and wherethe soul is guiding you to.
And that's the soul identity inmy book, is the identity that
you were created to be beforethe trauma, before the modeling,
before all of this, all theselayers kind of clouded your
view.
But we start to move throughlife and we we kind of forget
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about that soul identity untilsomething major happens.
And then I always tell people itchanges the opportunity that God
is giving you to shift your lensto the person he created you to
be.
And it he starts to guide youinto your own light, which is
where joy resides in the presentmoment.
It's not in the future, it's notin the past, like some of us are
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constantly living in andstressing about, but rather in
the present moment.
And that's where I'm thinking,my goodness, there's so much
alignment here.
Because you're right, you gottayou gotta adopt that identity.
And when you do that, it all ofit starts to flow.
It's not hard anymore.
The the hard part is when themind kicks in and tries to stop
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you from from stepping into thatvision, because it's that it's
that subliminal, thosesubliminal messages that you
constantly receive that youcannot do this unless you have
all these other things.
And when we see that, we'relike, ah, that's not who we are
at all.
And that that requires a lot ofenergy and a lot of of pushing
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past uh versus the other sidewhere you just surrender, you
don't strategize, you surrenderto it.
Yes, interesting.
The soul identity is a fullsurrender, and it's a daily
surrender.
I think most people thinksurrender is when things are
really going bad in your life,and then you're surrendering to
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you know the higher power.
But the true joy in life, I havefound, and and the book kind of
guides you there too, is aneveryday surrender.
It's an everyday surrender, it'schoosing to surrender to your
true identity and stepping inthere without apologies to
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anyone, especially to yourself.
SPEAKER_02 (29:39):
Yeah, absolutely.
What a what a beautiful way todescribe it.
And um I think that what youwere describing when the
conflict arises between soulidentity and your ego, I call
that range of time fear fence.
So you're going at your vision,you're going, you know, you're
walking in.
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In faith, and you're walking insurrender, and then here, boom,
a fear offense, which is all thedoubt and all the um ego and all
the old patterns will pop up,and uh you know, and then to get
through the fear offense to getto the other side requires the
surrender.
I love how this has become thetheme of this conversation.
(30:20):
I don't I wasn't planning on it,but I guess this is what
everybody needed to hear.
And I want to say that surrenderis an active intentional
participation of moment bymoment.
So surrender, you know, I thinkverbiage, especially in English
language, is like we saysurrender could mean so many
(30:41):
things.
It could mean you sit on thecouch, put your feet up, it
could also mean you're in themountains and you're meditating,
you know, and it could be uh therange in between.
But one thing is for sure iswhen we're talking about
surrender, at least I know youthis will align with you
probably too, and you candisagree.
Uh, but for me, surrender is anact of participation of letting
(31:03):
go of the desire, and this isthis might be a little bit
complex, but letting go of thedesire, but surrendering to the
fact that the desire is is mustbe mine.
Like it is mine.
This is this is God's seedplanted or the universe is
planted.
I'm surrendering to this andletting go of the desire of it.
(31:26):
Because if I'm in the desire ofit, then I'm gonna be in the
frequency of lack.
If I constantly want this nextthing that's on the other side
of fear fence, then I'm actuallyin the frequency of not having
that thing.
But if I'm in the frequency ofsurrender in that vision, that
this vision's gotta be mine, itmust be mine if it's in my
(31:49):
heart.
And if I continuously surrenderto it, I no longer am in the
frequency of desire, which meansthat next level thing is here
right now, it's unfolding as wespeak.
I'm no longer in the way.
SPEAKER_03 (32:05):
Yes, for me, desire in the book was something that
God placed in my heart as thenext step in that change.
So for me, it was because desiremeans from the father.
And so I looked at desire alittle bit differently in the
book, but um, it was like togive an example.
In one of my chapters, I talkedabout being totally heartbroken
(32:28):
out in college from a brokenengagement and flying across the
ocean into France, and this wasa very big step for someone
that's already she's young, sheis flying completely away from
her safety zone and coming intoa foreign country and and is
(32:49):
heartbroken at the same time.
And I look back at that younggirl, my goodness, I was so I'm
really proud of her because Godhad placed the desire in her
heart to be fluent in French andto actually get involved, like
to live in France and to immerseherself in that culture.
And regardless of what hadhappened, the circumstances, he
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places this desire.
And you know, halfway into thejourney, I have a moment where
my ego kind of comes into play.
Because when you're a foreignstudent, you know you're gonna
make mistakes in the language.
I mean, you're gonna really messup, and not really messed up.
Like I basically said I waspregnant like a cow instead of
(33:34):
like fool in the middle of likedinner.
It was really funny, and but youknow, when you make that first
mistake, you want to just crawlinto a corner and die.
But um but the next day Iactually pulled myself out of
there and said, no, no, no, Godhas put this desire in your
heart.
Yeah, you're gonna follow thisthrough.
(33:54):
It's not gonna be easy, but it'sgonna be so fun, and you're just
gonna you're just gonna own it.
And so I just went and Iobserved the French for a while,
and I just noticed how theywould speak to each other and
and how they would draw us, andI just started to become that
identity.
It was really interesting.
Um, and the more I did it, theeasier it flowed, like I was
(34:17):
able to step into that soulidentity.
And by the end of the year, Iwas full in French and and was
flying back to the UnitedStates.
But so that's how I use desireto kind of bring it back to the
conversation.
But I understand what you meanbecause when when the want can
be from external factors, as Ithink we were going with this,
(34:40):
versus the intuition that isinward, right?
The the part where God isguiding us, and that voice that
does not shout at us, actually,and that's why it's so important
for us to tune that noise leveldown so we can actually hear
that voice because it's verylow, it's on a lower frequency
(35:02):
that most people don't reallypay attention to because it's
just too noisy in our heads.
So we totally understand whatyou meant by it.
SPEAKER_02 (35:11):
So I could follow we're we're on the same page.
You had the desire, you youunderstood the desire that you
felt the desire that was in yourheart, and you surrendered to
it.
You didn't push to make anythinghappen.
You didn't you weren't in lack,you just followed and you
surrendered.
That's the difference.
That's the difference betweenhaving a desire and surrendering
(35:33):
to the desire because it's beenplanted, or I have this desire
to take my business to the nextlevel and then I'm gonna push
and make the things happen.
Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (35:44):
So up here, that that desire is up in the head,
the other desires in the heartspace, and there's a huge
difference between the two.
When it's here, it's being, whenit's here, it's doing, and
that's how I see the differencebetween the two desires.
So I'm total alignment with you.
(36:05):
And let's dive a little bitdeeper into intuition because I
think this is a harder topicthan most people realize.
Guide us a little bit on thataspect from your perspective and
how you guide your clients.
SPEAKER_02 (36:20):
When it comes down to intuition, I think to be
completely honest with you, Ithink for most people is
creating space.
It's creating space for intuitto learn how to listen to
intuition without the push.
So what I mean by that is mosteverybody just runs through the
(36:43):
day, does the things, you know,and even if you have a spiritual
practice of prayer, meditation,visualization, affirmations,
anything like that, um, you'renot that's not space for
intuition.
Space for intuition and thepractice of intuition shows up
when you're sitting at arestaurant before you order to
(37:05):
pause and go internal and go,what do I actually what would I
actually want to experience inthis moment?
What does my soul, what does myenergetics, what does my body
want to experience in thismoment?
It's a process of going from theunconscious into the conscious.
And we do not create enoughspace for intuition, which
(37:29):
basically means our entire lifefor most people is ran by
unconscious old patterns of justdo the thing that has always
been done, order the same food,drink the same water, you know,
have the same kind of coffee.
And if you're not creating spacefor intuition, you're not
(37:51):
developing your intuition.
That there's too much noise outthere for you to actually listen
in to see what is real in thatmoment.
And again, this from a practicalperspective, I used to do this,
but but I'll kind of explain.
So practically, you could go,okay, I'm gonna space, I'm gonna
create space for intuition, I'mgonna sit down for 10 minutes
(38:12):
and really tap in and see what'sin my heart, which is great.
That's a great practice.
But how is that playing out inyour day-to-day activities
before you sit down and answerthe emails, before you pay your
bills, before you sit down andplay Legos with your children,
before you go on a date withyour husband?
Are you sitting down andcreating space in the daily
(38:35):
life, in the chaos and thestresses of life?
Are you creating space, um, evenif it's in a moment or in a
breath, for intuition?
So I believe that that's thespiritual practice.
It's not so much the hour ofwhatever we do in the morning.
It's like, what are you doingright now when you got to get
the kids ready and out to schooland it's summer camp and you
(38:57):
know all this chaos is going on?
That's where it really matters,the practice.
SPEAKER_03 (39:02):
It does.
And it matters the more you doit, the more you become it.
It's so natural to you.
It's not as like a to-do thinganymore.
It's like it's who you are.
Um, I've been shifting as Imove.
I did a lot of gratitudejournaling years and years ago,
and now I I feel the need to doit again because I feel like
(39:24):
I've moved away from it, butit's something that's calling to
me in my soul to do.
And it's not this big to dothing, it's just in the moment,
if I see something beautiful,I'm grateful for it.
And it and it just shifts mywhole being around.
Like it just does.
(39:46):
The prayer and the meditation,it's important, and for some
people it works to do it at thesame time every day.
For me, it's my first coffeechat of the morning with with
God.
I just sit down, I have my cupof coffee, and I just chat with
him and I pray and I readscripture and I do the things
that my soul is guiding me to doin that preparation for the day
(40:08):
ahead, because the day ahead issomething that God guides us
into.
I know in the mornings I alwaysask him, How am I to show up for
you?
Guide me, guide me, let me knowwhat I am to do, and and give
me, give me clues along the way.
And I find that when I do that,he does speak to me through
(40:29):
people, through messengers, thathe spoke to me through you this
morning as I was reading, and Ithought, okay, that's him, and I
know it's him, and so I know thetopic of our conversation today,
because there's someone that isgoing to listen to this podcast
episode.
Of course, that's gonna saythey're speaking directly to me,
(40:52):
and this means something to mein this moment because it's what
God needs them to hear to getthem out of this darker chapter,
out of that closet, like hedescribed, in my case, out of
that hospital room.
How am I gonna get out of here?
Some people look at it and thinkit's so overwhelming to get out,
(41:14):
but the truth is it's it's allin your head, it's all in your
mind.
And when you stop listening tothose thoughts and start
speaking into that vision, thatbeautiful vision that you
create, like you talked about,the more you do that, the more
you become that person, and theeasier your life will flow from
(41:36):
that point on.
And so I'm I just find it's it'sso it's so amazing how he sent
you to me in these in this intoday of all days and this week
of all weeks.
And so I always know there'salways a timing to these things.
Um, any last-minute tips thatyou want to share with the
audience, Nona, and how canpeople reach you too?
(41:58):
If they want to work with you?
SPEAKER_02 (41:59):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Um, thank you so much.
I'm so um honored that I that itit had an impact on you and it
was uh hopefully it is somethingthat people needed to hear.
I think the best way that peoplecan connect with me, I love a
personal connect.
So if this conversationresonated with you, send me a
(42:20):
message on uh Instagram.
That's typically where I'm at,but really anywhere, LinkedIn,
Facebook, anything, but butInstagram.
Let me know that you heard thisconversation with Sylvia, and uh
I'm happy again to give you moreresources.
I have a 90-minute trainingwhere I break down the four
steps of a quantum leap and howto write out your vision and how
(42:43):
to go about it.
Just shoot me a message and say,hey, I heard you on uh Sylvia,
and uh I will be happy to sendover that training for you.
SPEAKER_03 (42:52):
Thank you so much, uh Nona.
And for the listeners of ReleaseDoubt, Reveal Purpose, remember
Matthew 514.
SPEAKER_04 (43:00):
Even liked.
Have a wonderful week.
Stay safe, love y'all.
Bye now.
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I've still got a lot of fight left.
SPEAKER_03 (00:29):
Hey Lightbringers, it's Sylvia Warsham.
Welcome to Release Out Review ofPurpose.
And today is Dr.
Nona Jeffid.
And she is an immigrant fromIran.
And when I read her phenomenalintroduction, I was blown away.
She had her PhD in neurology andchiropractic, had a successful
career, and then had a moment, amajor turning point that made it
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all come to light.
So without further ado, welcomeDr.
Nona on release out revealpurpose.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
Yes, thank you for having me.
We were just chatting rightbefore.
It seems like so much alignmentalready.
So I'm excited to dive in.
SPEAKER_03 (01:10):
I'm fairly excited.
And I'll tell you why, becausewhen you said the line that
really caught my attention isit's not about strategy, it's
about surrender that reallyspoke to me because it's been a
line that's been resonating withme for the last couple of weeks.
I've seen it more and more.
And so I'm thinking there'ssomething to this is surrender
(01:31):
instead of strategy.
So really tell us your story oftransformation.
I know you have a story ofcoming to this country and
checking off the boxes of whatyou thought success was all
about and then realizing halfwaythrough your journey that nope,
that's not it.
So do tell us your story oftransformation.
SPEAKER_02 (01:51):
Yeah, totally.
I want to start by saying thatI'm no expert in surrender or
trust, but what I am is astudent of trust.
As a matter of fact, uh, ifanyone's watching this on video,
I have a tattoo that says truston my on my arm.
Constant reminder to trust andsurrender and to lean into the
(02:11):
vision for the future.
So it didn't always start outthis way.
Um, as you brought up, I I wasborn in Iran.
I moved to the United Stateswhen I was 16 years old, and I
didn't speak a word of English.
And then I jumped into highschool and I was then a senior
in high school.
I skipped a year and now I'm asenior in high school, barely
(02:32):
speak a word of English.
And um, you know, and and alsocoming from Iran, my parents,
they had uh they sold everythingand they brought their entire
life savings to the UnitedStates, but because of the
currency exchange rates, webasically hit poverty levels
immediately, as soon as weliterally landed in Los Angeles.
(02:55):
So there were a lot of complexemotions that had happened at
the time, which then I'll kindof fast forward to the story and
bring us back to this point thatwere pivotal in my story of
struggle as well as my story ofsort of you know the Phoenix
rising, if you would.
(03:16):
So I continued that path and Ilearned English and I went to
Berkeley and I got my doctoratedegree and I studied neurology
and I started a business and Igot married and I had my first
child and you know checked offliterally every single box that
society tells you.
(03:38):
My parents, the culture, themedia, the world, the
consciousness tells you theseare the things that will make
you successful and happy.
And so I checked off all ofthose boxes, and I remember um
one day I had a business thatwas really successful, so I took
a call with my team members anduh 13 team members at the time,
(04:01):
went over some numbers, like atypical day, put my son to
sleep.
He was just born, he was a brandnew baby at the time.
Uh, he's 10 now, so this is adecade ago just for timeline.
And I put him down for a nap andI walked myself into the closet,
to the walk-in closet, and Ishut the door and I shut the
(04:22):
lights, and I sat there againstthe wall, and I held on to my
knees and I started sobbingbecause I had this I'd built
this life and this business andthis marriage, and I'd given it
all of what I had.
I had built it based on strategyof setting I'm gonna set goals,
(04:43):
and this is what I'm gonna donext, and this is what I'm gonna
do next, and here's how I'mgonna do it.
And I had built it from a placeof scarcity and not enoughness,
not enoughness.
So while this was nearly aseven-figure business, while I
was married to a great man, Iwas completely unhappy,
(05:07):
unsatisfied, unfulfilled,broken, alone.
And I had this, you know, what Icall a God moment, you know,
plug in whatever you believe in,but I had a God moment in the
closet where I realized what Ihad been doing was not going to
work.
I mean, this could really be theend as I'm sitting in the
(05:30):
closet, or I thought perhapsthis could be a beginning to
something.
But if it was going to be thebeginning to something, I would
absolutely have to do somethingthat was different.
And I remember uh in in thoseseries of moments uh that I was
(05:50):
completely burnt out thinking,well, where what was it that I
truly wanted to experience as alittle girl before I became a
mom, before I had to nurtureeverybody, before I had to
overgive, and before I became awife, and before I became a
doctor or a student, like Imean, before any of those roles
(06:12):
were taken, why did I come here?
Why did my soul choose to arriveand expand?
What did I come here toexperience?
And uh I remember having avision that wasn't the first
time that I had the vision, butthere was one distinguishing
factor.
So when I was a little girl, youknow, as we all kind of dream
about this really magical life,and in my case, I love to travel
(06:35):
and adventure, and I love tohave an impact in the world that
is meaningful.
I um wanted to be in love, Iwanted to travel with my kids,
and I wanted to be present withmy children, with my family.
None of those did I have in thatmoment.
Um, but this time, and this wasa vision I had had before, but
this time I made a decision tocontinue, and this is where
(06:59):
surrender plays a role, tocontinue to say yes to the
vision and to continue tosurrender to the vision that I
had had for you know all ofperhaps all of my life, instead
of asking, well, who do youthink that you are, or that's
(07:20):
not possible, or you're sittingin the closet, why do you think
that you're going to have thislevel of life or this level of
freedom or this level of impact?
So instead of questioning thevision and allowing the noise to
get in my head and in the way ofthe vision, to continue to
surrender to the vision, whichto me in that moment meant to
(07:41):
say yes to the vision.
The other difference in thisparticular area as I moved
forward was instead ofapproaching the vision from a
place of strategy, like youknow, what how am I gonna do
this?
What are step one through ten?
Instead of approaching it fromstrategy and approaching it from
a place of scarcity and notenoughness, I made a decision to
(08:06):
approach it in a state of easeand love and fun and joy and
freedom.
So I was going to get to myvision without struggle, which
is what I had been doing upuntil that point, was really to
surrendering while why we're allhere to experience all the range
(08:26):
of the emotions, but having theability to choose the next uh
the next energy, the nextfrequency.
SPEAKER_03 (08:35):
I find it interesting because one I had
several questions that came upas you were speaking.
And first off, what a powerfultestimony to visualize you in
that closet.
I could put myself there andthink if I had what she had and
experienced that unhappiness, Iwould totally break down as
(08:58):
well.
So very relatable.
Thank you for sharing that.
First off, my question is howeasy was it for you to just be
and not do?
SPEAKER_02 (09:13):
Thank you for asking that.
I make it a point every time Ishare the story, and also thank
you for validating me because itdid take me a long time to share
the story, and I find that it'sit's very healing.
I never thought it would bringthe healing that it's brought
for me since I started sharingthis story or any level of
vulnerability.
Um and thank you for asking thequestion.
(09:35):
Like, how did you get into thebeing?
Was it difficult to do?
How long did it take?
So I always make it a point tosay it's not an overnight
decision or it's not anovernight um success.
We're talking, I mean, in thepast decade, a divorce sold
business, lost half a milliondollars, um, revamped and redid
(10:00):
the business.
You know, I mean, there are somany different things, met the
love of my life, traveling theworld.
So like all of these things havehave happened in a spam in a
span of uh 10 years of over adecade now.
And I think uh the key thoughwas walking out of the closet
(10:22):
and not just choosing tosurrender and say yes to the
vision when I'm inspired or whenI'm fired up or when I'm happy,
or it was, and this was thechallenging part, but really a
commitment to choosing surrenderand choosing ease and choosing
joy in the moments of doubt, inthe moments of fear.
(10:44):
And I think that was really thekey that I had recognized I was
going to master myself.
I wasn't going to master thestrategy and figure out some
external strategy that was gonnaget me to the next level.
I was more focused on how can Imaster myself moment by moment.
And it took a while, and I'mstill working on it.
SPEAKER_03 (11:07):
I didn't always work on it until the die.
You know, and I call it agraduation of sorts into heaven,
because for me I'm veryfaith-based, and it the faith
has really kept me on adifferent path than my first
act.
The first act, like you talkedso eloquently on it's based on
(11:30):
fear, and my first mastermind isfreedom from fear.
What does that look like?
Because a lot of people, fear isaddictive.
If you think about it, it has alot of energy.
We know how to handle fear,we've lived with it, we lived
with the scarcity mindset, weknow how to strategize out of
there.
What I found that most peoplestruggle with is to be in joy,
(11:57):
to really understand what joyfeels like, and those small
moments of joy that come to ourlife, they're they're fleeing.
I mean, they're not the biggestmoments, but we tend to miss
them because we're caught up inthe checking off the boxes and
(12:20):
the doing, because we're reallygood at that.
I mean, we really have masteredthat.
The mastery comes, like yousaid, in the everyday choice to
be, to stop your thinking whenit when it wants to take you
down a rabbit hole of overwhelmand doing and not doing enough.
(12:42):
I think it's it's an everydaydiscipline to choose to say no.
And in the last two days, it'sinteresting that you brought
this up because I've had to talkto myself instead of listen to
myself.
SPEAKER_01 (12:57):
Sure.
SPEAKER_03 (12:57):
And I'll tell myself, so you're not
overwhelmed.
You you live a very beautifullife, and you can do this, it's
just one baby step at a time.
That's all it is.
And it's like any other thingthat you learn to do, you gotta
do it in baby steps, smallsteps, right?
And the more you do it, themore, the more your identity
(13:20):
evolves into this person.
And I always talk to my daughterabout these habits that we are
forming at a young age, why wedo these things.
We don't do them because we haveto.
We do them because we arecreating the identity of the
person that we're born to be,right?
We're removing these layers thatcome about because of the
(13:43):
modeling we get from our parentsand the generational stuff that
gets passed down.
I came from a Mexicanbackground, and it there's some
belief systems that came from mygrandmother that just kept
passing down because, well, thisis the way it is, and it's like
not really, you know how tochoose that.
I used to I used to think youhave to sacrifice something to
(14:05):
have it all.
Like you can't be all thesethings, and I'm like, well,
where did that come from?
And that came from all thegrandmothers from all the
generations ago, because that'sthe way their society had built
things to be.
But that doesn't mean that weneed to follow the same thing,
and you're right, we want to betotally different individuals
(14:26):
than we become.
SPEAKER_02 (14:28):
Absolutely.
Yeah, so many gems in what youjust shared, uh, brought up so
many things in me.
One, uh, you're right, thoseemotions of fear and stress and
overwhelm, they are anaddiction.
All emotions are addictions.
Um, and you know, if I ask you,when was the last time you were
(14:50):
stressed out?
If you're listening to this, youmight say this morning, an hour
ago, right now, you know, lastweek.
But if I say, unless you have aspiritual practice of gratitude
or something like that, I go,when was the last time you were
grateful?
You're gonna be like, if youhave one, that's mornings,
you're gonna say this morning.
But if you don't have one, yougo, I don't really actively go
(15:13):
into and innately move intogratitude, but you know the
feeling and the emotion ofstressed out and overwhelmed.
And so one missing link here,and and I learned this from my
background in neurology andmedicine, is the neurochemistry
of stress, the neurochemistry ofoverwhelm.
Because every time you arestressed out, every time you are
(15:36):
tapped into struggle, there isliterally neurotransmitters
released in your nervous systemin your body that are just like
a drug.
So your body becomes addicted tothe stress and truly in a form
of a chemical addiction.
So you're addicted to stress,which means even when things are
(15:56):
going great, I call it the othershoe is gonna drop syndrome,
you're thinking, when is thenext time I'm gonna get my hit
of stress?
I mean, you're not thinking thatactively or consciously, but
these are emotional addictions,which is exactly why if you
choose to say yes to the nextemotion that you are
(16:17):
intentionally picking joy, love,service, abundance, freedom, you
know, whatever it is, impactthat you want to experience, if
you keep choosing that over andover in a form of repetition,
now you are replacing those oldaddictions, old patterns with
new addictions.
Now, will it ever go away?
(16:39):
I don't believe so.
I don't know one single person,and I work with so many
beautiful humans that are happy,and so many beautiful humans
that are successful, and so manybeautiful humans that are happy
and successful and fulfilled.
And this this is a never-endinggame.
You consistently have to choosea different energetic state, or
(17:00):
choose a different um frequency,or choose a different addiction,
addiction to joy.
And um also want to address whatyou said about pat getting, you
know, these things get passed onto us.
No baby is ever unless there isactual reasons, you know,
through the birth process orsomething like that.
But typically, innately, we arenot born with stress and
(17:25):
overwhelmed, those are learnedbehaviors, those are things that
our body has taken on because ofa trauma or something, or
something has been passed on tous.
And some of these are beliefsystems that are passed on.
The other part of the equationis ancestral through the DNA.
I mean, like my body has livedthrough what my
(17:48):
great-great-great greatgrandmother has lived to some
degree.
So this is getting ancestrallypassed on to me that I have to
overcome.
But the great news is we get tohopefully shift the next
generation or the next wave of,even if you don't have kids, the
next wave of um people that arecoming through.
(18:09):
Because the reality is you areborn with infinite potential.
We have we are literally bornwith only two fears fear of loud
noises and fear of um falling.
Not fear of failing, but fear offalling.
SPEAKER_03 (18:26):
Yeah, and we all have those dreams, right?
Those nightmares where we'refalling and we wake up and we're
sweating.
I remember, I do remember havingthat horrible nightmare.
SPEAKER_02 (18:35):
And you're right, that really is the only fear
that's the only fear as a baby,because you're you know, and
it's not really a fear whenwe're born, actually.
It's more of a reflex.
You go to put the baby down andthe baby startles, or there's a
loud noise and the babystartles.
But there's no actual fear,there's no doubt, there is no
stress, there's no overwhelmwhen you are born.
(18:57):
All of those are learned orpicked up behavior that have
brought you to this point.
Um, so if you're struggling inyour life or if you're stuck in
your life, it's time to unhookfrom those and really hook on
and surrender into the visionthat you may have had for a
lifetime or a new vision for thefuture.
SPEAKER_03 (19:19):
Yes, it just brings up so much.
I'm still like so curious aboutthe tips, like the everyday tips
that you can share with thelisteners of released out reveal
purpose in terms of once youmake the decision, hey, I want
to do this.
We all know that our mind hasthe ability, like at the initial
(19:43):
starts of any change, we're veryexcited.
But halfway through, the mindkind of kicks in.
The what I call the egoidentity, which is the past
programming, the modeling thatcan come into play, will kick in
and say, no, you can't do this,and those people quit.
So, can you give us some tips onhow to push past that ego
(20:06):
identity?
SPEAKER_02 (20:07):
Yeah, absolutely.
So, and this works because itutilizes the nervous system,
literal reprogramming of thenervous system.
I have a four-step um frameworkthat I teach.
I I we won't have time to likeexpand on all of it, but I'll
just briefly go over the foursteps and I'll tell you what is
(20:27):
my non-negotiable that haschanged my life over and over
and over again, bothprofessionally and in my
personal life, and this is whatI teach.
And then if anyone's interested,I'm happy to like send an
extended version of this.
But the very first step in theprocess, you've got to have an
unreasonable vision.
(20:48):
You've got to kind of tap in,get childlike, figure out what
were the things that you wantedor what are the things that you
do want.
It doesn't have to come fromyour childhood, but it's got to
be childlike.
You know, I want a unicorn, Idon't know, I want a farmhouse,
I want a beach house, I want tohave this level of impact, I
want to write a book, I want tospeak all over the world.
(21:10):
Whatever that unreasonablevision is, you've got to write
that down.
Write it down in present tense,add in all the emotions, put in
the visceral feelings ofexperiencing that as if it's
already happened, as if it'shappening right now, you're
living that life.
That is the foundation ofeverything.
There's so many aspects that gointo this that gets your nervous
(21:32):
system to feel safe in that.
But I'll go over the couple ofother steps.
The step two, these are thesteps to quantum leap, if you
would.
So, in step two, and we've kindof already talked about this a
bit, is you have to expand youridentity.
All right, you have to expandyour identity.
What this means is the versionof me who I just wrote out in
(21:55):
the first step, right?
Living this life and has thiskind of relationship and has
this kind of impact, thatversion of me who is she?
Because it's clearly not me.
Now, I want to be very clear,even though this step is
expanded identity, what it trulyis is taking you back to who you
(22:17):
innately were before the fearpopped in, before the identity
stuff came in, before you weretold who you you need to become.
So this is really going back tothe core of your unlimited
potential.
So in step two, you're using theleft part of the brain to ride
out who is the version of you,what are the traits, what are
(22:40):
the habits, what are thepersonality things of the this
version of you that's livingthat life you described in step
one?
Step three, embodiment of thatparticular identity.
So I could show up to this Zoom,uh, to this podcast, to this
episode, I could show up to myemails, I could show up to my
(23:02):
clients, I should show up to mychildren or to my husband.
But who am I gonna show up as?
Am I gonna show up as theversion of me now that is
limited, or will I show up asthe version of I call her this
the signature self?
Do I show up as my signatureself?
And what does that feel in mybody?
(23:23):
This is where you engage theright side of the brain and the
limbic system.
So that's step three.
And then in step four, you thestep four is called taking
unreasonable action.
Unreasonable action.
These are the kinds of actionsthat the this current version of
(23:43):
you would not be taking.
These are the kinds of actionsbecause this current version of
you would take the actions thatbring about the same things you
have been doing, right?
Maybe 10% improvement,incremental growth, right?
But what are the actions thatthe next version, the signature
self version of you, would betaking?
So you've got to look at whatthose unreasonable actions would
(24:05):
be and take those.
Now, that could be overwhelming,right?
Four steps.
What do you want me to do withthis?
And this is a whole retreat, andyou're right, it is.
This is I break this down inretreats and workshops and
things like that, and weliterally walk people through
this.
But here's the number one tipand the non-negotiable in my
(24:25):
life, because I've seen at work,is uh to start with the vision
and to read and feel the visionin your mind's eye as if it's
already happened.
Now, I'm gonna tell you why thisis important when your body and
your nervous system will onlyexperience what it has
(24:47):
experienced in the past.
So if you've been experiencingtrauma, stress, overwhelmed, not
enoughness, scarcity aroundmoney, whether yourself, your
family members, or that's whatyou've been around, that's
exactly what you're gonnaexperience.
This is just pure facts.
Now, the only way around it isif you give your body and your
(25:08):
nervous system somethingdifferent to experience.
And by reading the vision andfeeling the vision and giving
that to your nervous system,you're actually making that next
level life safe for your nervoussystem to experience.
And in in this process, you ifyour dream vision is really
(25:30):
authentic, it's really you'velistened to your heart, and this
is the seed that has beenplanted by God in your heart or
universe or whatever you believein, then you're surrendering to
the desire.
You're saying, This is gotta bemine, if this is what I've been
wanting, or this is what I myheart wants to experience, it's
got to be mine.
(25:50):
And if you believe that, thatcomes with the how.
It's packaged up in the how.
If you can just let go andsurrender to the vision, and it
makes it safe for your nervoussystem to go, I can, it's okay
for me to have this beautiful,joyful, easy, impactful life.
SPEAKER_03 (26:11):
I'm in total agreement with you.
A lot of what was coming up forme, uh, for those that know, and
you may not know, but I wrote abook in Faith I Thrive, and it
was published last year, but thefirst version of it was
published in 2021.
And what you're describing isbasically the cycle of
transformation that I kind ofguide people through because we
(26:33):
use the power, it sounds likethe power of the imagination,
which is very powerful.
The mind does not know thedifference between what you've
already lived through and whatyou're imagining.
So it could it kind of takes itas truth.
Am I good or not good on that?
Is that realistic?
And what I have found that rightat the point of change, which is
(26:58):
where most of us want to shiftgears and move in the direction
of our soul, the soul identityand the ego identity are
constantly battling each otherout.
That's the mind and the spiritkind of battling it out.
And what really makes thedifference is the desire that
you feel on the inside that isgearing you to move in the
(27:20):
direction of your soul and wherethe soul is guiding you to.
And that's the soul identity inmy book, is the identity that
you were created to be beforethe trauma, before the modeling,
before all of this, all theselayers kind of clouded your
view.
But we start to move throughlife and we we kind of forget
(27:41):
about that soul identity untilsomething major happens.
And then I always tell people itchanges the opportunity that God
is giving you to shift your lensto the person he created you to
be.
And it he starts to guide youinto your own light, which is
where joy resides in the presentmoment.
It's not in the future, it's notin the past, like some of us are
(28:04):
constantly living in andstressing about, but rather in
the present moment.
And that's where I'm thinking,my goodness, there's so much
alignment here.
Because you're right, you gottayou gotta adopt that identity.
And when you do that, it all ofit starts to flow.
It's not hard anymore.
The the hard part is when themind kicks in and tries to stop
(28:28):
you from from stepping into thatvision, because it's that it's
that subliminal, thosesubliminal messages that you
constantly receive that youcannot do this unless you have
all these other things.
And when we see that, we'relike, ah, that's not who we are
at all.
And that that requires a lot ofenergy and a lot of of pushing
(28:52):
past uh versus the other sidewhere you just surrender, you
don't strategize, you surrenderto it.
Yes, interesting.
The soul identity is a fullsurrender, and it's a daily
surrender.
I think most people thinksurrender is when things are
really going bad in your life,and then you're surrendering to
(29:15):
you know the higher power.
But the true joy in life, I havefound, and and the book kind of
guides you there too, is aneveryday surrender.
It's an everyday surrender, it'schoosing to surrender to your
true identity and stepping inthere without apologies to
(29:37):
anyone, especially to yourself.
SPEAKER_02 (29:39):
Yeah, absolutely.
What a what a beautiful way todescribe it.
And um I think that what youwere describing when the
conflict arises between soulidentity and your ego, I call
that range of time fear fence.
So you're going at your vision,you're going, you know, you're
walking in.
(30:00):
In faith, and you're walking insurrender, and then here, boom,
a fear offense, which is all thedoubt and all the um ego and all
the old patterns will pop up,and uh you know, and then to get
through the fear offense to getto the other side requires the
surrender.
I love how this has become thetheme of this conversation.
(30:20):
I don't I wasn't planning on it,but I guess this is what
everybody needed to hear.
And I want to say that surrenderis an active intentional
participation of moment bymoment.
So surrender, you know, I thinkverbiage, especially in English
language, is like we saysurrender could mean so many
(30:41):
things.
It could mean you sit on thecouch, put your feet up, it
could also mean you're in themountains and you're meditating,
you know, and it could be uh therange in between.
But one thing is for sure iswhen we're talking about
surrender, at least I know youthis will align with you
probably too, and you candisagree.
Uh, but for me, surrender is anact of participation of letting
(31:03):
go of the desire, and this isthis might be a little bit
complex, but letting go of thedesire, but surrendering to the
fact that the desire is is mustbe mine.
Like it is mine.
This is this is God's seedplanted or the universe is
planted.
I'm surrendering to this andletting go of the desire of it.
(31:26):
Because if I'm in the desire ofit, then I'm gonna be in the
frequency of lack.
If I constantly want this nextthing that's on the other side
of fear fence, then I'm actuallyin the frequency of not having
that thing.
But if I'm in the frequency ofsurrender in that vision, that
this vision's gotta be mine, itmust be mine if it's in my
(31:49):
heart.
And if I continuously surrenderto it, I no longer am in the
frequency of desire, which meansthat next level thing is here
right now, it's unfolding as wespeak.
I'm no longer in the way.
SPEAKER_03 (32:05):
Yes, for me, desire in the book was something that
God placed in my heart as thenext step in that change.
So for me, it was because desiremeans from the father.
And so I looked at desire alittle bit differently in the
book, but um, it was like togive an example.
In one of my chapters, I talkedabout being totally heartbroken
(32:28):
out in college from a brokenengagement and flying across the
ocean into France, and this wasa very big step for someone
that's already she's young, sheis flying completely away from
her safety zone and coming intoa foreign country and and is
(32:49):
heartbroken at the same time.
And I look back at that younggirl, my goodness, I was so I'm
really proud of her because Godhad placed the desire in her
heart to be fluent in French andto actually get involved, like
to live in France and to immerseherself in that culture.
And regardless of what hadhappened, the circumstances, he
(33:12):
places this desire.
And you know, halfway into thejourney, I have a moment where
my ego kind of comes into play.
Because when you're a foreignstudent, you know you're gonna
make mistakes in the language.
I mean, you're gonna really messup, and not really messed up.
Like I basically said I waspregnant like a cow instead of
(33:34):
like fool in the middle of likedinner.
It was really funny, and but youknow, when you make that first
mistake, you want to just crawlinto a corner and die.
But um but the next day Iactually pulled myself out of
there and said, no, no, no, Godhas put this desire in your
heart.
Yeah, you're gonna follow thisthrough.
(33:54):
It's not gonna be easy, but it'sgonna be so fun, and you're just
gonna you're just gonna own it.
And so I just went and Iobserved the French for a while,
and I just noticed how theywould speak to each other and
and how they would draw us, andI just started to become that
identity.
It was really interesting.
Um, and the more I did it, theeasier it flowed, like I was
(34:17):
able to step into that soulidentity.
And by the end of the year, Iwas full in French and and was
flying back to the UnitedStates.
But so that's how I use desireto kind of bring it back to the
conversation.
But I understand what you meanbecause when when the want can
be from external factors, as Ithink we were going with this,
(34:40):
versus the intuition that isinward, right?
The the part where God isguiding us, and that voice that
does not shout at us, actually,and that's why it's so important
for us to tune that noise leveldown so we can actually hear
that voice because it's verylow, it's on a lower frequency
(35:02):
that most people don't reallypay attention to because it's
just too noisy in our heads.
So we totally understand whatyou meant by it.
SPEAKER_02 (35:11):
So I could follow we're we're on the same page.
You had the desire, you youunderstood the desire that you
felt the desire that was in yourheart, and you surrendered to
it.
You didn't push to make anythinghappen.
You didn't you weren't in lack,you just followed and you
surrendered.
That's the difference.
That's the difference betweenhaving a desire and surrendering
(35:33):
to the desire because it's beenplanted, or I have this desire
to take my business to the nextlevel and then I'm gonna push
and make the things happen.
Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (35:44):
So up here, that that desire is up in the head,
the other desires in the heartspace, and there's a huge
difference between the two.
When it's here, it's being, whenit's here, it's doing, and
that's how I see the differencebetween the two desires.
So I'm total alignment with you.
(36:05):
And let's dive a little bitdeeper into intuition because I
think this is a harder topicthan most people realize.
Guide us a little bit on thataspect from your perspective and
how you guide your clients.
SPEAKER_02 (36:20):
When it comes down to intuition, I think to be
completely honest with you, Ithink for most people is
creating space.
It's creating space for intuitto learn how to listen to
intuition without the push.
So what I mean by that is mosteverybody just runs through the
(36:43):
day, does the things, you know,and even if you have a spiritual
practice of prayer, meditation,visualization, affirmations,
anything like that, um, you'renot that's not space for
intuition.
Space for intuition and thepractice of intuition shows up
when you're sitting at arestaurant before you order to
(37:05):
pause and go internal and go,what do I actually what would I
actually want to experience inthis moment?
What does my soul, what does myenergetics, what does my body
want to experience in thismoment?
It's a process of going from theunconscious into the conscious.
And we do not create enoughspace for intuition, which
(37:29):
basically means our entire lifefor most people is ran by
unconscious old patterns of justdo the thing that has always
been done, order the same food,drink the same water, you know,
have the same kind of coffee.
And if you're not creating spacefor intuition, you're not
(37:51):
developing your intuition.
That there's too much noise outthere for you to actually listen
in to see what is real in thatmoment.
And again, this from a practicalperspective, I used to do this,
but but I'll kind of explain.
So practically, you could go,okay, I'm gonna space, I'm gonna
create space for intuition, I'mgonna sit down for 10 minutes
(38:12):
and really tap in and see what'sin my heart, which is great.
That's a great practice.
But how is that playing out inyour day-to-day activities
before you sit down and answerthe emails, before you pay your
bills, before you sit down andplay Legos with your children,
before you go on a date withyour husband?
Are you sitting down andcreating space in the daily
(38:35):
life, in the chaos and thestresses of life?
Are you creating space, um, evenif it's in a moment or in a
breath, for intuition?
So I believe that that's thespiritual practice.
It's not so much the hour ofwhatever we do in the morning.
It's like, what are you doingright now when you got to get
the kids ready and out to schooland it's summer camp and you
(38:57):
know all this chaos is going on?
That's where it really matters,the practice.
SPEAKER_03 (39:02):
It does.
And it matters the more you doit, the more you become it.
It's so natural to you.
It's not as like a to-do thinganymore.
It's like it's who you are.
Um, I've been shifting as Imove.
I did a lot of gratitudejournaling years and years ago,
and now I I feel the need to doit again because I feel like
(39:24):
I've moved away from it, butit's something that's calling to
me in my soul to do.
And it's not this big to dothing, it's just in the moment,
if I see something beautiful,I'm grateful for it.
And it and it just shifts mywhole being around.
Like it just does.
(39:46):
The prayer and the meditation,it's important, and for some
people it works to do it at thesame time every day.
For me, it's my first coffeechat of the morning with with
God.
I just sit down, I have my cupof coffee, and I just chat with
him and I pray and I readscripture and I do the things
that my soul is guiding me to doin that preparation for the day
(40:08):
ahead, because the day ahead issomething that God guides us
into.
I know in the mornings I alwaysask him, How am I to show up for
you?
Guide me, guide me, let me knowwhat I am to do, and and give
me, give me clues along the way.
And I find that when I do that,he does speak to me through
(40:29):
people, through messengers, thathe spoke to me through you this
morning as I was reading, and Ithought, okay, that's him, and I
know it's him, and so I know thetopic of our conversation today,
because there's someone that isgoing to listen to this podcast
episode.
Of course, that's gonna saythey're speaking directly to me,
(40:52):
and this means something to mein this moment because it's what
God needs them to hear to getthem out of this darker chapter,
out of that closet, like hedescribed, in my case, out of
that hospital room.
How am I gonna get out of here?
Some people look at it and thinkit's so overwhelming to get out,
(41:14):
but the truth is it's it's allin your head, it's all in your
mind.
And when you stop listening tothose thoughts and start
speaking into that vision, thatbeautiful vision that you
create, like you talked about,the more you do that, the more
you become that person, and theeasier your life will flow from
(41:36):
that point on.
And so I'm I just find it's it'sso it's so amazing how he sent
you to me in these in this intoday of all days and this week
of all weeks.
And so I always know there'salways a timing to these things.
Um, any last-minute tips thatyou want to share with the
audience, Nona, and how canpeople reach you too?
(41:58):
If they want to work with you?
SPEAKER_02 (41:59):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Um, thank you so much.
I'm so um honored that I that itit had an impact on you and it
was uh hopefully it is somethingthat people needed to hear.
I think the best way that peoplecan connect with me, I love a
personal connect.
So if this conversationresonated with you, send me a
(42:20):
message on uh Instagram.
That's typically where I'm at,but really anywhere, LinkedIn,
Facebook, anything, but butInstagram.
Let me know that you heard thisconversation with Sylvia, and uh
I'm happy again to give you moreresources.
I have a 90-minute trainingwhere I break down the four
steps of a quantum leap and howto write out your vision and how
(42:43):
to go about it.
Just shoot me a message and say,hey, I heard you on uh Sylvia,
and uh I will be happy to sendover that training for you.
SPEAKER_03 (42:52):
Thank you so much, uh Nona.
And for the listeners of ReleaseDoubt, Reveal Purpose, remember
Matthew 514.
SPEAKER_04 (43:00):
Even liked.
Have a wonderful week.
Stay safe, love y'all.
Bye now.
SPEAKER_00 (43:09):
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