October 30, 2025 • 42 mins
What if the fastest path to peak performance isn’t more hustle, but a quieter shift—one that starts in the heart and ends in decisive action?
Dr. Lise Janelle joins us to unpack how life’s hardest seasons can become training grounds for strength, clarity, and purpose. From champion rowing and clinical practice to a cascade of personal losses, her story reveals why willpower isn’t enough if your subconscious believes success is unsafe.
• life as a video game and intention setting
• Dr Lise’s transformation through grief and loss
• Why visualization needs action to work
• the subconscious as gatekeeper to goals
• three clues you are stuck beneath awareness
• dissolving beliefs with the Heart Freedom Method
• gratitude as the neutralizer of emotional charge
• moving from stage one reaction to stage two creation
• money ceilings, family loyalty, and cultural scripts
• faith, purpose, and letting go of the how
• raising children with love, gratitude, inspiration, and wisdom
• practical questions to reframe challenges
If you want to purchase Dr. Lise Janelle's book, head on over to Amazon and purchase Conversation with the Heart: Reveal Yourself to YOUR SELF!
To download a free chapter of host Sylvia Worsham's bestselling book, In Faith, I Thrive: Finding Joy Through God's Masterplan, purchase any of her products, or book a call with her, visit her website at www.sylviaworsham.com
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SPEAKER_00 (00:02):
If you've ever struggled with fear, doubt, or
worry, and wondering what yourtrue purpose was all about, then
this podcast is for you.
In this show, your host, SylviaWarsham, will interview elite
experts and ordinary people thathave created extraordinary
lives.
So here's your host, SylviaWarsham.
SPEAKER_01 (00:35):
Today is Dr.
Lise Janelle, and she's joiningus from Toronto.
And boy, does she have a storyto tell.
She works extensively withEntrepreneurs.
She's about to publish a bookand is really passionate about
peak performance.
So without further ado, Dr.
Lise, thank you so much forjoining us on Release Out of
(00:58):
Review Purpose.
SPEAKER_03 (01:00):
Thank you for having me, Sylvia.
I love speaking about thesethings and inspiring people.
So thank you for inviting me forhaving me on your platform.
SPEAKER_01 (01:09):
Yes, and I'm so excited that you and I both
speak a little, well, you speaka lot of French.
I haven't spoken French in about15 now, and I was there when I
was 20, 30 years ago.
SPEAKER_03 (01:20):
Wow.
I'm actually very impressed.
Your accent and wow, no, youwere really good.
You should let it go.
I learned I learned to speakEnglish watching Sesame Street
in French.
SPEAKER_01 (01:37):
Yes.
Because that's kind of learninglanguages, don't we?
We just kind of see pictures andwords, and then we just start
pronouncing.
But of course, French is notalways the easiest thing to
pronounce.
And I was blessed that when Istudied in Chicotomi for a month
because I was crazy enough to bethere in January.
SPEAKER_02 (01:54):
Oh my goodness! I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (01:56):
That was not the time to be there.
Uh I posted that on Blackville,Texas, which is worse because
that's South Texas, that's likea tropical environment, and we
don't have snow.
And it was the worst winter inChicago for a while.
It was in 1994.
And then supposedly supposed toprepare me for my year abroad in
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France.
And I spent the Leo in France, Ispent about nine months of all
pregnancy abroad.
And then I came back, and andyou know you're fun when you
when you dream in French.
And I dreamt in French rightbefore I flew back to the United
States.
So that was that wasinteresting.
But it was so cool when I sawyour PubMed description that you
were English and French.
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I was like, well, let mepractice for just a little bit.
SPEAKER_03 (02:44):
And and that's also part, and you know, those
stories, those are great becauseour purpose in life, I believe,
is to bring the best out ofourselves.
This is our purpose in life.
But we all have talents andqualities that we can, you know,
gift the world with.
But you know, learning French ormusic or you know, gardening or
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whatever you do, just do likeyour best intentions.
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
Like just set your intention at the beginning of
the day, which is what I startedto do with my 10-year-old this
morning.
I was like, let's set anintention.
No matter what happens to ustoday, we're we're gonna intend
to have a wonderful fun day.
And so she was like, okay, I waslike, well, I'm just gonna keep
doing it because uh I want toset the example and the modeling
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for my kid.
I did for a long time, and thenyou kind of get out of these
pattern, like these habits, andyou and it's like, why did I do
that when it's such a good habitto like start off your day with
an intention to have fun, nomatter what happens to you.
Because you know, you you'regonna have good days, you're
gonna have bad days, no matterwhat, you're still gonna have
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joy thrown at you.
And if you if you're so focusedon the bad, you're gonna miss
it.
SPEAKER_03 (04:01):
Yeah, to me, I look at life literally like a video
game.
When you play a video game, theidea is to have fun, isn't it?
Yeah, and but you don't alwayswin.
That's what makes the video gamefun.
I turned left the last time,that didn't work, I'm gonna turn
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right this time.
And then we learn to navigate,and that's you know, you have
fun playing the video game ofyour life.
That's why we all need tounderstand what's the game we
want to play.
And I I totally agree.
If you are modeling that foryour daughter, that's perfect.
SPEAKER_01 (04:40):
You know, and I love the whole video game analogy
because in video games you seekids not quitting, they want to
level up, and it's the samething in life.
When you talk about peakperformance, you're in essence
leveling up.
So tell us more about that.
Tell us more about your story oftransformation, Dr.
(05:01):
Lee, because I really want yourlight to shine.
How did you land in peakperformance?
SPEAKER_03 (05:07):
Well, my background, I was a chiropractor, and I was
pretty successful chiropractor,and I was also a competitive
roar.
So I'm a Canadian champion, aHanley champion, and like an
eight, a four, a double.
I've done all the books.
And I was I was you know, I wasgoing after all these goals.
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I was like, okay, I'm gonna goafter this goal, and okay, I got
this, and then I got the otherone, but I was still feeling
empty.
And then in 1988, all of asudden my father was diagnosed
with terminal cancer and he wasgiven nine months to live.
That that was three weeks beforemy sister's wedding.
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One week after my sister'swedding, my 21-year-old daughter
died in a car accident.
And then within a month of this,my eight-year relationship to
the man I thought I was gonnamarry ended.
And it was like ow, ow, ow.
So, those of you if you'rewatching it, I always use my
yin-yang.
So it was so painful that tosurvive it, it sent me on the
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quest to understand what does ittake to live a great life so
that when these things happen,because it's not if, it's when.
When everybody, you know, likeeven if you have the most
perfect life in the world andyou still have people you love
are gonna die.
Just that.
Like you need to be ready.
So I I am I went on the quest tounderstand that so when these
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things happen, you don't want togo flat like a pancake.
How can you learn to useeverything that's happening to
your advantage?
How can you bring the best outof yourself, especially when
we're being challenged?
And yeah, so that's how I endedup you know being driven to want
to do this.
And I love, I love, love, love.
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I love giving hope.
Like I have a peer review studythat came out uh about the
method I created.
I created a method called theheart freedom method.
Because peak performance, peopledon't most people have no idea.
Like if you read, you know, theclassics like Think and Grow
Rich or The Secret or TheMillionaire Mind and all these
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things, it's so true.
You need to consciously be clearabout what you want, but then
you need to take actions becauseI'm part of the group of the
movie The Secrets.
I was there when they came andthey shot the movie The Secret,
and I tell you all these peoplework really hard.
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But if you want to sell to themass, you want to have millions
of people listening to you, andit's like you sit there and you
just visualize what you want andit's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
No, no, I mean the imagination is powerful, right?
Because we know that theimagination, our mind doesn't
know the difference betweenwhat's imagined and what's
actually done, right?
So that's part of the magic ofthe imagination, but you're
right, you can visualize as muchas you want, but got to do the
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action.
SPEAKER_03 (08:15):
And the only difference between someone who
lives an ordinary life and anextraordinary life is their
ability to take action.
And so what most people don'tknow, and I'm very passionate to
talk about this, is that sureyour conscious mind knows, but
what you don't know is 90 to 95%of what you believe is actually
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pre-programming yoursubconscious mind.
And when your subconscious mindassociates more pain than
pleasure, more danger thansafety to something you want
consciously and won't let youhave it.
So that's why peak performancedemands that you be a conscious
being who's aware of your goals,but also is conscious enough to
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be aware of your subconsciousmind.
Great.
Once you're aware of it, thenyou still need a tool to get
you, you know, unblocked.
That's why I'm writing a bookright now with Jack Canfield and
it's called Unstuck.
SPEAKER_02 (09:21):
How appropriate.
SPEAKER_03 (09:26):
Um he says it's the missing link he'd been looking
for in f 50 years of doingtransformational work.
He's actually giving, I thinktoday is his last course he ever
gives.
He's retiring this week.
So um yeah, so it comes I I knowreally good background because
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I've been using this literallywith thousands of people
one-on-one.
And um I have a peer reviewstudy, which is why I started
talking about this.
And what we saw with that isthat the most powerful outcome
is that it gives people afeeling of control over their
life and hope that they can havea great life.
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Because otherwise it feels sorandom.
unknown (10:14):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (10:15):
You you go about making, you know, either
athletes with their you know,start their performances, an
entrepreneur with their sales,their business, relationship,
love, uh, weight management, allof these things feels like it's
random and it's never random.
I am convinced that if you havesomething in your heart, not
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your head, not your gut, whichis your emotions, but if you
have something in your heart,it's a true calling inside your
heart, you're meant to have it.
But as you move forward tomaking it happen, when your
subconscious mind believes it'snot good for you, it will hold
you back.
For example, the first time Idid this mind-body work, um I
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was I I can do it doing musclebecause my my background
carapatter was doing muscletesting.
So I muscle tested myself, I'mready, willing, and able to be
successful.
And subconsciously with thisguy, like I'm I'm strong, and
then I went weak.
It's like, ah so then we endedup back five years old, and it
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was it's fascinating, like itpopped right out.
I'm five years old, I'm coloringin my coloring book.
My little sister is three and ahalf.
So I finish before her.
I go and show it to my mother,and my mother says, Well done,
Lisa, you'd colour between thelines, it's beautiful.
My little sister, she can colourbetween the lines, yeah, she's
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three and a half, and she wasnot finished.
So now she ran away crying.
Standing there going, Oh, thatsucks.
When I'm successful, I hurtother people's feelings, and
worse, I ended up alone.
And I can tell you from workingwith thousands of people
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subconsciously, that is such acommon story.
Like I was in Chicago and I wasspeaking to 350 coaches from
North America and Europe, and Italked about this, and I offered
at the end, I said, if you want,I'll test you.
I had at least 100 coaches.
So coaches are supposed to beall about success.
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And out of the hundred, therewas only one coach that was
congruent with wanting to besuccessful.
Everybody else associates beingsuccessful with uh not fitting
in the family or making theirfriends feel bad about
themselves, being abandoned,people being jealous.
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And I because we're socialbeings, when you have these
beliefs in the back of yourmind, it will hold you back, you
will hit a plateau and you won'tbe able to go through it.
And there are three clues thatyou have a subconscious belief
working against you.
Number one, you know what needsto be done, but you're not doing
it.
The famous procrastination.
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So the good news is it's notbecause you're lazy or lack
willpower, it's because yoursubconscious mind imagine like
your conscious mind that wantssomething is like the size of a
football, but your subconsciousmind the football field.
So imagine like how much energyis being drained out of you, and
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that's why you feel like uh allof a sudden you know if you
picked up that phone, you canyou know have something, or if
you trained that day, you couldhave amazing results, but
instead you go on social media,you call your friends, you eat a
whole bag of cookies, you know,to do all of these things.
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Why?
Because the subconscious mindbelieves it's gonna be too
dangerous for you to have thisthing that you really want.
The second clue, and andactually, when is your audience
is probably kind of driven kindof person, and what I find is
that people then get upset andashamed of themselves because
they know what they should bedone.
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So on top of not doing it, nowthey're blaming themselves and
they shame themselves into notlike why am I being like this,
which just increases thestuckness.
Alright.
Number two, you do what needs tobe done, but uh, it feels like
drudgery.
Writing that report instead oftaking you one hour takes you
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three and that's okay if youare, you know, it's just a
one-time thing, but like let'ssay you have a goal of starting
your business and be successfula year from now, but
unconsciously it's not good foryou, you're gonna be fighting
for a whole year drainingyourself, working against
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yourself and getting sick often.
Like for me, I can shareeveryone, uh last few months I
have not been sleeping verywell.
I was sleeping like I couldn'tfall asleep, I couldn't stay
asleep, I would sleep four hoursa night, and I'm going, is that
my hormone?
What's going on?
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And then maybe this is anemotion, so I do the heart
freedom method on it and wentback when I was born.
My mom was asleep and I felt Iwas gonna die in there.
So for me to go from onequantum, which is the belly of
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my mom, to the outside worldwould meant death.
So now my book with Jack isabout to come out.
So even though it's a goodthing, the Pavlovian bell rings,
and now like my conscious, mysubconscious, like danger,
danger, danger.
This is dangerous, you're goingto die.
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Like hyper alert, hyper alert,like be aware, be aware.
This is dangerous.
So, anyway, I got rid of thisand I've been sleeping like a
baby.
SPEAKER_01 (16:13):
And you get rid of it because you talk to yourself,
right?
You recognize that that's athought that's coming up, that's
not in alignment with who youwant to be.
Is that how that works?
SPEAKER_03 (16:23):
It's deeper.
It's a 10-step, it's a 10-stepmethod that we end up actually
plugging into the subconsciousand finding the exact moment
when the belief was stored inyour physiology.
SPEAKER_02 (16:38):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_03 (16:39):
Yes, okay.
This is how it works.
I have like two psychiatristswho got trained in Sunday
because talking about it isgood, but it doesn't go into the
subconscious.
You need to clear thesubconscious.
And then I take it one stephigher.
I actually bring gratitude tothe event at that moment.
So that's because as long asthere's an emotional charge,
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either positive or negative,we're not free.
We're stuck energizedlyspeaking, recreating this over
and over and over again.
So the only way to neutralizesomething is to actually have
gratitude for it.
SPEAKER_02 (17:15):
Even if it's bad, right?
Even if it's especially whenit's bad.
SPEAKER_03 (17:20):
Especially, because sometimes we store a moment in
in life where we we wereoverjoyed, and then we just try
to reproduce this over and overagain, which is a kind of
addiction, and it gets ustrouble.
But like me, I told you aboutmy, you know, what happened to
me.
SPEAKER_02 (17:37):
Your daughter and your dad, and and I can tell you
all kinds of substory.
SPEAKER_03 (17:42):
In the room, my I had a twin that died beside me.
So, but my twin died beside memade me want to be a healer.
So I'm grateful for my twinstory.
So that's why, no matter howchallenging it is, I am so on a
quest to understand thateverything that has happened
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happened for us, not to us.
That's why when I saw you thinkabout purpose, I thought, ah,
perfect.
Because your purpose, like youwrote, and you know this, comes
from the challenges.
Some of the challenges you'reconscious of them, but some of
the challenges you're not awareof.
And that's what's really cool.
When you learn, if you if youwant to be fully in peak
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performance, you need to besomeone who's consciously aware
of what you want to create, butyou also need to have a tool how
to deal with your subconsciousbelief.
And then it's about takingactions and seeing what works.
The third clue that you have asubconscious believer working
against you is you do everythingright, but you get the opposite
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results.
And that is frustrating.
SPEAKER_02 (18:50):
Yes, it is.
SPEAKER_03 (18:52):
When you're driven and you follow the recipe that
they tell you, if you'll followthis, you're gonna get it.
But then always something seemsto happen that prevents it from
happening.
It's not a coincidence.
And it's really it becomesdepressing for driven people
because they feel like I triedfive times already and it's not
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working.
I think I'm just not supposed tohave it.
And now people feel unlucky andfeel like maybe it's not for me.
And I that's what I'm really,really uh passionate about
talking about because I wantpeople to know that they can
have heaven on earth, they cancreate their own amazing life,
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but they just need to understandthe game.
I call that the ultimate game oflife.
Like the ultimate game of lifeis that is that have your
purpose that's not based on yourthoughts or your emotions, but
truly from your heart.
And and you know when it's yourheart because it's quiet, it's
not like, oh my goodness, Iwanna have this, it's gonna be
amazing.
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Every time we go into this, intoinfatuation, we end up in
depression right after that.
So when it's your heartspeaking, there's a part of you
that goes, Oh man, really, I'mgonna have to do this.
But is it's a calling, you don'thave a choice, you must do this.
Like for me, in 1989, I wrotedown a mission statement for my
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life, and the career part saidthat I'm gonna help heal the
hearts of a million people.
SPEAKER_02 (20:27):
That's a pretty bold one.
SPEAKER_01 (20:29):
That's a big that's a big hairy but big bold
butcher, yeah, hairy vision,absolutely.
SPEAKER_03 (20:36):
And and through maximizing their life potential,
and I had no idea.
I just knew the what and thewhy.
SPEAKER_01 (20:44):
The how is not up to you, actually.
Exactly that's what most peopledon't understand, especially the
high achievers.
They think they're responsiblefor the how.
I was having a coffee with afriend of mine yesterday, and
she's a very high achiever, andshe just went through a lot of
darkness, and she was stuck.
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And I said, This isn't the howis not up to you.
The how, and we're face-based,both of us.
And so I said, The how is up toGod?
You leave that one up to him.
You are the one that designedthe what.
And that's that's your job.
That is your job, that's whatyou focus on, and you don't
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worry about how you're gonna getthere.
You're just you know that thisis your next step.
That's it.
That's what you're focused onright now.
SPEAKER_03 (21:35):
Yeah, that what you're saying is so true.
Like, and I believe that ourheart is our connection to our
soul that's connected to God.
So when we're connected there,when we feel that calling inside
of us, then the journey tomanifest that calling is what
brings a rich life.
Like my life, since I wrote downmy mission statement for my
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life, has been so rich.
It's not been easy.
No, and and but it's been coolalso.
SPEAKER_01 (22:05):
Like, but you know, we all have dark moments, and
that's the thing we were talkingabout yesterday, too, with my
girlfriend.
She said, I'm just tired oflearning.
I kind of just want to coast fora while.
That's not gonna work out, girl.
SPEAKER_03 (22:19):
You know what I find though, the if you have big
goals and you want to make themhappen really quickly, you're
gonna attract lots of baseballbats to get you there.
So if you want to coast, youneed to have, you know, you can
have big goals, but instead oftrying to make them happen in
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six months, you make them happenin five years.
Because otherwise it's likeyou're driving on the highway
and you put your you're going at100 miles an hour, you're still
doing a map, you're turning thecorner and there's a tree there.
It's like, you know, sometimesyou just need to slow down and
then you'll pass.
But you learn your lessons a lotfaster.
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That's the thing.
If you jump in really full on,it's gonna come at you left,
right, and center.
Fear, you know, but you're gonnalearn fast.
SPEAKER_02 (23:12):
Yeah, there are lessons here that we're meant to
learn.
I mean, for sure.
And when we get repeatinstances, like we were talking
yesterday.
SPEAKER_01 (23:26):
Why did this happen to me so many times?
And it's it's I go, well, haveyou learned the lesson of
whatever it is that God istrying to teach you in this in
this dark chapter?
And she she said, no, and Isaid, Well, I'd start there, you
know, because it's if it keepsrepeating, there's there's
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something stuck there.
There's, and we were talkingabout beliefs yesterday, because
I'm a I'm a life coach.
I was like, look, there'ssomething that is preventing you
from moving forward.
And it's it's something thatlikely, you know, happened at
the moment of trauma.
Whatever that is, whatever isthese three things that are
happening to you, if they'rerelated.
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There's a little there's there'ssomething, it's backing up into
a wall of experiences that yourmind is using to program a
response.
And and I said, So now we haveto go back to understand what
that belief system is, right?
We know what the trauma was.
Now we have to identify what isdriving this thing, what is
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driving those thoughts, that aredriving the big feelings, that
are driving the reactions, andthat are giving us the results
in life.
And she said, Oh my gosh.
I said, Yeah, we're gonna haveto go way back.
And and here's and here's wherefaith steps in.
You can ask God for help.
Please reveal to me what thatbelief is and allow him to show
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you, to guide you out of thatdark chapter.
But I imagine that this youmentioned something that was
really key, it's the acceptancepiece.
You didn't say the wordacceptance, but that's how I
described students, which isacceptance.
SPEAKER_03 (25:12):
But this is with your friend, if she knew how to
do the hard free dumb method,she would find it.
It takes 10 minutes.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (25:22):
We'll have to include your your link to the
book where you discuss thisbecause that way people can buy
it and and that's where youfully explain it, right?
Isn't the book?
SPEAKER_03 (25:33):
Yeah, it's in the book, but also I have an online
program right now that peoplecan sign up for and and like
live with me.
That's that's what I want to do,is like the book is gonna show
people, and then if they want togo deeper, they can come and do
an online program with me.
But what you're saying is sotrue, is like and from working
with thousands of peopleone-on-one, I find there are two
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stages to human development.
The first stage is theunconscious and a sleep
infantile stage.
Everybody goes through that one.
The second one is the conscious,awake, and mature stage.
I call the first stage the bootcamp.
I call the second one heaven onearth.
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And this is what happened instage one.
We need these beliefs because Iam convinced that our essence,
the essence of each and everyone of us, is love.
SPEAKER_02 (26:26):
Oh yes.
SPEAKER_03 (26:27):
I believe that God is love.
So our essence is love, but wehave to forget our divine
essence because otherwise, whenyou fully in your heart, like a
little Buddha under the Buddhatree, have no desire.
Like, could you imagine billionsof people have no desire?
That would not work so well.
So we have to forget our divineessence, and then we attract the
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perfect challenges to drive us,because you know, we run away
from pain towards pleasure.
That's what we all do.
But once we can when once wecome from that understanding and
you find the belief, then yougo, Wow, that is why I needed to
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have this story.
And you're right, until likeit's just gonna keep happening
over and over, until you find abelief, which is the heart
freedom method, you dissolve itthrough like you need to go in
the subconscious mind, and fromthat place clean it out of your
physiology, and then bringgratitude to that moment that
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was challenging.
So now you're free.
Now you can go and start playingin your stage two, heaven on
earth.
So I like giving visuals.
So the difference between stageone and stage two is in stage
one, we get a sense of self fromthe way the world reacts to us,
and the way the world reacts tous in a way we like, I'm queen,
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I'm king of the world, anythingis possible, I can have
everything I want, I'm worthy oflove, I'm amazing.
But as a baby, if you cried andcried and cried and cried and
cried and cried, and you wereput in the nursery and your mom
would love to see you, but shecan't.
You go, What's wrong with me?
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She's not coming.
Something must be wrong.
If I cry too much, it hurts.
I'm gonna stop ha asking forwhat I want.
Now we create these beliefs thathaving what we want is painful.
That's why people, when they'rein s in the boot camp, I call
(28:38):
that hell on earth also.
Because you can't get out of it.
But in stage two, this is whatuh if you're not if you're not
looking, if you're onlylistening, it's like if you have
the yin and the yin and you usethe dark side as the female
principle of listening to yourheart.
Your heart wants you to know twothings.
(28:59):
The first thing your heart wantsyou to know is you already have
loved and to do everything youcan to let go of any beliefs to
the opposite.
And the second thing your heartwants for you is to admit your
dreams and aspirations, and thenit's to organize your male
principle to bring your heartwhat it wants.
Ta-da! So this is how you createheaven on Voila! Extractable!
(29:25):
Expect them all! So, and what'scool is when you're playing in
stage two, you can go and lookin my stage one.
Which event did I attract thatgave me the talents, the
quality, the courage that now Ican use in my stage two to
create heaven on earth.
It's it's really like a videogame.
(29:47):
It's once you understand it,it's like and I like talking
about this, so thank you forhaving me here because yes,
because this is a when when youare in stage one, you find you
suddenly you Can go like, am Iin stage one or in stage two
right now?
Am I creating or am I inreaction?
Oh, pull myself back in to stagetwo.
(30:09):
Everything that's happening ishappening for me.
SPEAKER_02 (30:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (30:13):
Cool.
And live becomes a different, itbecomes a video game, a fun
game.
SPEAKER_01 (30:20):
Well, you're leveling up.
You're leveling up because youare now using the conscious
ability of your mind in stagetwo to work with your
subconscious mind and get themout of and get yourself out of
there and understand and becomeaware of oh, I can choose
different thoughts.
I don't have to listen to mythoughts.
I can actually talk to myselfand talk to myself and be
(30:44):
grateful that yes, this was ahard chapter, but I learned a
lesson and I'm able to applythat lesson to get me the skill
sets to give me the dreams thatI want.
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (30:56):
Exactly.
And and what you're saying is sotrue.
And when you do it right, whenyou really dissolve this the
belief in the subconscious mind,you don't need to go over it.
It's done.
SPEAKER_01 (31:10):
No, it's done.
It's actually, it seems to havepower over you once you identify
it and actually dispel the whywith the evidence of your life.
I think that's very powerful.
Because then um it's like you'reconvincing yourself.
You're using your consciousability of your mind to convince
your subconscious of like, whyare you believing this?
(31:32):
This isn't even true anymore.
Might have been true when I wasa baby.
SPEAKER_03 (31:36):
I'm grateful.
SPEAKER_01 (31:37):
And I'm grateful, you know.
SPEAKER_03 (31:39):
I don't need it anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (31:40):
I don't thank you.
Thank you for being there forme.
I know you tried to protect mebecause you know our mind loves
that.
It's like the acknowledgementand the acceptance piece of
like, this was just part of me.
And I needed it to learn theskill sets to serve to thrive,
right?
And now that I have them, I'mvery grateful, but I need to let
you go.
And it's the way we talk to ourparents and to our habits that
(32:03):
just no longer serve us, andit's ready to let go.
SPEAKER_03 (32:06):
And it doesn't have to be traumatic, like I shared
with you.
You know, I was coloring in acoloring book.
unknown (32:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (32:12):
I needed that belief.
Why?
Because that belief made mehumble and made me want to
understand, to have empathy.
Like all kinds of blessings camein my life for me while I needed
it.
Now it's okay for me to be myfull expression, you know.
I don't myself small anymore.
And and it was fascinating.
(32:33):
Like once I let go of thatbelief, I was able to break
through ceilings that I had, andit I find it's amazing.
You can go from ceilings toceilings.
Like I can test someone, like uhsomebody last week came in and
he wanted to make 40 milliondollars.
All right.
Okay, well, but he was not evenokay making 250,000.
SPEAKER_01 (32:56):
You see, but you gotta be okay with it a little
bit.
It's like the blessing, right?
You still have a blessing,you're making$250,000.
You gotta let it left.
unknown (33:08):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03 (33:09):
Because of his pastor, where it came from, and
his father.
That's another one.
That's a really good one.
Like if your family, you know,was you know, poor, it's like I
don't have the right to havemore money than my family of
origin.
SPEAKER_02 (33:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:25):
But those are the like generational beliefs, too,
that get passed down.
That we adopt his own, like minethat got passed down that I
identified long ago in thewriting of my book in Faith I
Thrive, I identified one thatsaid, I need to sacrifice
something to have it all,because I come from a Mexican
(33:47):
background.
And the Mexican woman, thecultural, you know, the society
and the way they think, and therole of the woman, and the role
of the man.
And sometimes I think religionplays a role in it as well, that
you don't understand well uhscripture and how scripture is
set up, and until you reallydive into the word, then you
(34:08):
understand what your true roleis, and it's very powerful.
But you don't realize howpowerful it is until you you
understand it fully.
But going back to the originalwith this, the example of this
guy is you're right, it could bea generational thing, and it
could be very simple.
It doesn't have to take years toget rid of the belief, it's just
(34:30):
an acknowledgement.
SPEAKER_03 (34:32):
Yeah, if you do it, but you have to do it not only
in your head, like from myexperience, because then it just
keeps coming back.
That's why you need to go in thesubconscious mind.
It's subconscious mind to clearfor the physiology, but then the
the spiritual experience is tosee wow, it was perfect for me.
It was a divine design just forme.
(34:53):
So when you you do thesubconscious, which is great,
but then you bring it intogratitude, which makes you feel
connected with your divineessence.
That's why it really clears outof your of your uh physiology
and your now.
You just move on to the nextone.
SPEAKER_01 (35:13):
Yeah, and that's how and that's you know, because we
never stop learning aboutourselves.
There's just so many layers,right?
We're very there's so manylevels to us, if you will.
We're gonna use the video gameanalogy that we started from the
beginning.
And the beauty of the journey oflife is discovering those layers
and using those layers to levelup, to kind of say, okay, thank
(35:36):
you.
I've learned something here, andI now know how to get to this
level because I learned thatskill having gone through this
dark chapter.
And that's awesome.
And I and I appreciate it, God.
Thank you for my divine design.
Uh, let's move on to purpose.
Do you think this is your divinepurpose now?
To work with people, to reallyuse the heart method.
SPEAKER_03 (36:00):
Ultimately, I'm gonna tell you my big agenda
that I discovered through doingthis work is that I know that
when I do the heart fit onmethod, I heal the hearts of
people.
But more than that, I discoveredlately.
But it really inspires me isthat it's a big buttish goal,
(36:20):
but that if I can get a lot ofadults to know this and do the
work, then they can raise littlekids since they're little kids.
To know that no matter what'shappening, it's happening for
them.
Yeah, to them.
And they can do the heartfeeding method right from the
beginning and let go of stories.
(36:42):
And then because we can neverlife will never only be support,
it'll be challenged.
What we all need to do is weneed to challenge ourselves to
follow our heart.
I actually got to be on stagewith the people from the movie
The Secret, and I got to teachthem the true law of attraction.
So I got a kick out of that.
And I thought I'm gonna give youthe true law of attraction.
(37:05):
So if you challenge yourself,you attract support.
SPEAKER_02 (37:11):
If you sit in your comfort zone, you attract
challenges.
SPEAKER_03 (37:16):
So if we wanna raise a state a whole generation of
children, we're gonna teach themthey're worthy of love.
They're gonna know it in theirheart of hearts.
And then we're gonna ask them,like, how are you gonna bring
the best out of yourself?
Like if even if they're playinga game, like how are you gonna
(37:36):
do this out of joy or whatever,like they're doing to do it,
like challenging themselves tobring the best out of themselves
with their friends, with theirmom, with like their studying,
like doing it in the in aconscious way.
Like one of my coaches, becauseI certify coaches in in my
method, she has a four yearsold.
Her name is Rosemary.
(37:57):
When she was four years old, shetold her mom, you know, mom, I
was in the car and I had carsickness, and I did the heart
feeder method.
And it went back to when I was ayou know, eating in my high
chair and la la la la la.
So she did the heart method, andthen she was my coach was
telling me, Um now Rosemary isfive years old.
(38:18):
She was at a party and talkingwith this grown-up woman, and
the grown-up woman saidsomething, and then Rosemary's
five said, Soul, what do youthink was the benefit to that?
SPEAKER_02 (38:29):
It was funny because you know, kids they absorb their
sponges.
SPEAKER_01 (38:34):
My goodness, they absorb everything.
I just tell my kids, it's like,don't focus on my negative
attributes because we all havethem.
I can look at the good stuff I'mdoing too.
Come on.
SPEAKER_03 (38:45):
But that's why I when you told me that this is
what you wanted to do with yourchild, it's like, yeah, this is
exactly what we need to do, islike get them inspired.
Like the four things that livein the heart, one is love, the
other one is gratitude,inspiration, and wisdom.
Love, gratitude, inspiration,and wisdom.
(39:06):
So when we're connected in ourheart, we get inspiration.
Emotions don't live in theheart.
Love is not an emotion, it's ouressence, it's who we are, and we
know when we are there becauseit's powerful, it's stable.
And and in a way, emotions islike you can be on a cloudy day
thinking there's no sun, but thesun is always there.
(39:27):
So our heart, our love is alwaysthere, and emotions are like
clouds, they come and go, butour essence is always there.
SPEAKER_01 (39:35):
Yeah, and we gotta ground ourselves in it.
So that's awesome.
Thank you so much, Dr.
Lee.
You've given us so much wisdom.
Speaking of wisdom, any lastminute um tips or just us words
that you want to leave with thelisteners of released outreveal
purpose, and also let us knowhow we can reach you.
SPEAKER_03 (39:58):
Cool.
Um, yeah, so because it goeswith that thing I just said
about the little kids, is likeall of us when we feel a
challenge, we can't allowourselves to feel sorry for
ourselves for five minutes.
You know, we don't have aspiritual bypass.
So and then you take a deepbreath and you go, since I'm
worthy of love, how am I goingto use this to my advantage?
(40:22):
What is this asking me to do?
What is it I'm supposed tomaster?
Which direction is this sendingme?
Just like you know, I told youmy story in 1989.
Um so I face a challenge, I takea deep breath.
(40:43):
Since I'm ordered of love, howam I gonna use this to my
advantage?
I'm being asked to mastersomething because obviously if I
had mastered it, it wouldn't bea challenge anymore.
Or it's sending me in adirection I don't know I need to
go yet.
Or sometimes we know we'rekicking and screaming, not
wanting to go.
(41:03):
So challenges always are therefor us.
And once you start looking atlife that way, it's it's really
powerful.
And and for you to make itfaster, make sure you learn a
tool to master your subconsciousmind so you can make it your
your friend and not your foe.
SPEAKER_01 (41:22):
And do tell us how we can reach you, Dr.
Lee.
So if we want to take yourcourse or we want to buy your
books.
SPEAKER_03 (41:29):
Um, so I have one book that you can download right
now.
It's about the conscious part oflife, and it's called
Conversation with the Heart.
Conversation with the Heart.
So it's a conscious way ofcreating your life.
That's one really good way.
The other one is you candownload um a checklist called
(41:50):
Get On Stock Checklist.com andthat will connect you with that,
or you can uh reach us at Gregat drlegionale.com.
SPEAKER_02 (42:04):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (42:05):
Wonderful, wonderful.
And for the listeners of releasedoubt reveal purpose, remember
Matthew 514.
Be delight.
Have a wonderful week.
SPEAKER_02 (42:14):
Stay safe.
Love you all.
Bye now.
Bye-bye.
SPEAKER_00 (42:21):
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If you've ever struggled with fear, doubt, or
worry, and wondering what yourtrue purpose was all about, then
this podcast is for you.
In this show, your host, SylviaWarsham, will interview elite
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So here's your host, SylviaWarsham.
SPEAKER_01 (00:35):
Today is Dr.
Lise Janelle, and she's joiningus from Toronto.
And boy, does she have a storyto tell.
She works extensively withEntrepreneurs.
She's about to publish a bookand is really passionate about
peak performance.
So without further ado, Dr.
Lise, thank you so much forjoining us on Release Out of
(00:58):
Review Purpose.
SPEAKER_03 (01:00):
Thank you for having me, Sylvia.
I love speaking about thesethings and inspiring people.
So thank you for inviting me forhaving me on your platform.
SPEAKER_01 (01:09):
Yes, and I'm so excited that you and I both
speak a little, well, you speaka lot of French.
I haven't spoken French in about15 now, and I was there when I
was 20, 30 years ago.
SPEAKER_03 (01:20):
Wow.
I'm actually very impressed.
Your accent and wow, no, youwere really good.
You should let it go.
I learned I learned to speakEnglish watching Sesame Street
in French.
SPEAKER_01 (01:37):
Yes.
Because that's kind of learninglanguages, don't we?
We just kind of see pictures andwords, and then we just start
pronouncing.
But of course, French is notalways the easiest thing to
pronounce.
And I was blessed that when Istudied in Chicotomi for a month
because I was crazy enough to bethere in January.
SPEAKER_02 (01:54):
Oh my goodness! I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (01:56):
That was not the time to be there.
Uh I posted that on Blackville,Texas, which is worse because
that's South Texas, that's likea tropical environment, and we
don't have snow.
And it was the worst winter inChicago for a while.
It was in 1994.
And then supposedly supposed toprepare me for my year abroad in
(02:19):
France.
And I spent the Leo in France, Ispent about nine months of all
pregnancy abroad.
And then I came back, and andyou know you're fun when you
when you dream in French.
And I dreamt in French rightbefore I flew back to the United
States.
So that was that wasinteresting.
But it was so cool when I sawyour PubMed description that you
were English and French.
(02:40):
I was like, well, let mepractice for just a little bit.
SPEAKER_03 (02:44):
And and that's also part, and you know, those
stories, those are great becauseour purpose in life, I believe,
is to bring the best out ofourselves.
This is our purpose in life.
But we all have talents andqualities that we can, you know,
gift the world with.
But you know, learning French ormusic or you know, gardening or
(03:07):
whatever you do, just do likeyour best intentions.
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
Like just set your intention at the beginning of
the day, which is what I startedto do with my 10-year-old this
morning.
I was like, let's set anintention.
No matter what happens to ustoday, we're we're gonna intend
to have a wonderful fun day.
And so she was like, okay, I waslike, well, I'm just gonna keep
doing it because uh I want toset the example and the modeling
(03:34):
for my kid.
I did for a long time, and thenyou kind of get out of these
pattern, like these habits, andyou and it's like, why did I do
that when it's such a good habitto like start off your day with
an intention to have fun, nomatter what happens to you.
Because you know, you you'regonna have good days, you're
gonna have bad days, no matterwhat, you're still gonna have
(03:55):
joy thrown at you.
And if you if you're so focusedon the bad, you're gonna miss
it.
SPEAKER_03 (04:01):
Yeah, to me, I look at life literally like a video
game.
When you play a video game, theidea is to have fun, isn't it?
Yeah, and but you don't alwayswin.
That's what makes the video gamefun.
I turned left the last time,that didn't work, I'm gonna turn
(04:21):
right this time.
And then we learn to navigate,and that's you know, you have
fun playing the video game ofyour life.
That's why we all need tounderstand what's the game we
want to play.
And I I totally agree.
If you are modeling that foryour daughter, that's perfect.
SPEAKER_01 (04:40):
You know, and I love the whole video game analogy
because in video games you seekids not quitting, they want to
level up, and it's the samething in life.
When you talk about peakperformance, you're in essence
leveling up.
So tell us more about that.
Tell us more about your story oftransformation, Dr.
(05:01):
Lee, because I really want yourlight to shine.
How did you land in peakperformance?
SPEAKER_03 (05:07):
Well, my background, I was a chiropractor, and I was
pretty successful chiropractor,and I was also a competitive
roar.
So I'm a Canadian champion, aHanley champion, and like an
eight, a four, a double.
I've done all the books.
And I was I was you know, I wasgoing after all these goals.
(05:29):
I was like, okay, I'm gonna goafter this goal, and okay, I got
this, and then I got the otherone, but I was still feeling
empty.
And then in 1988, all of asudden my father was diagnosed
with terminal cancer and he wasgiven nine months to live.
That that was three weeks beforemy sister's wedding.
(05:50):
One week after my sister'swedding, my 21-year-old daughter
died in a car accident.
And then within a month of this,my eight-year relationship to
the man I thought I was gonnamarry ended.
And it was like ow, ow, ow.
So, those of you if you'rewatching it, I always use my
yin-yang.
So it was so painful that tosurvive it, it sent me on the
(06:15):
quest to understand what does ittake to live a great life so
that when these things happen,because it's not if, it's when.
When everybody, you know, likeeven if you have the most
perfect life in the world andyou still have people you love
are gonna die.
Just that.
Like you need to be ready.
So I I am I went on the quest tounderstand that so when these
(06:37):
things happen, you don't want togo flat like a pancake.
How can you learn to useeverything that's happening to
your advantage?
How can you bring the best outof yourself, especially when
we're being challenged?
And yeah, so that's how I endedup you know being driven to want
to do this.
And I love, I love, love, love.
(06:58):
I love giving hope.
Like I have a peer review studythat came out uh about the
method I created.
I created a method called theheart freedom method.
Because peak performance, peopledon't most people have no idea.
Like if you read, you know, theclassics like Think and Grow
Rich or The Secret or TheMillionaire Mind and all these
(07:20):
things, it's so true.
You need to consciously be clearabout what you want, but then
you need to take actions becauseI'm part of the group of the
movie The Secrets.
I was there when they came andthey shot the movie The Secret,
and I tell you all these peoplework really hard.
(07:41):
But if you want to sell to themass, you want to have millions
of people listening to you, andit's like you sit there and you
just visualize what you want andit's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
No, no, I mean the imagination is powerful, right?
Because we know that theimagination, our mind doesn't
know the difference betweenwhat's imagined and what's
actually done, right?
So that's part of the magic ofthe imagination, but you're
right, you can visualize as muchas you want, but got to do the
(08:14):
action.
SPEAKER_03 (08:15):
And the only difference between someone who
lives an ordinary life and anextraordinary life is their
ability to take action.
And so what most people don'tknow, and I'm very passionate to
talk about this, is that sureyour conscious mind knows, but
what you don't know is 90 to 95%of what you believe is actually
(08:42):
pre-programming yoursubconscious mind.
And when your subconscious mindassociates more pain than
pleasure, more danger thansafety to something you want
consciously and won't let youhave it.
So that's why peak performancedemands that you be a conscious
being who's aware of your goals,but also is conscious enough to
(09:05):
be aware of your subconsciousmind.
Great.
Once you're aware of it, thenyou still need a tool to get
you, you know, unblocked.
That's why I'm writing a bookright now with Jack Canfield and
it's called Unstuck.
SPEAKER_02 (09:21):
How appropriate.
SPEAKER_03 (09:26):
Um he says it's the missing link he'd been looking
for in f 50 years of doingtransformational work.
He's actually giving, I thinktoday is his last course he ever
gives.
He's retiring this week.
So um yeah, so it comes I I knowreally good background because
(09:48):
I've been using this literallywith thousands of people
one-on-one.
And um I have a peer reviewstudy, which is why I started
talking about this.
And what we saw with that isthat the most powerful outcome
is that it gives people afeeling of control over their
life and hope that they can havea great life.
(10:11):
Because otherwise it feels sorandom.
unknown (10:14):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (10:15):
You you go about making, you know, either
athletes with their you know,start their performances, an
entrepreneur with their sales,their business, relationship,
love, uh, weight management, allof these things feels like it's
random and it's never random.
I am convinced that if you havesomething in your heart, not
(10:38):
your head, not your gut, whichis your emotions, but if you
have something in your heart,it's a true calling inside your
heart, you're meant to have it.
But as you move forward tomaking it happen, when your
subconscious mind believes it'snot good for you, it will hold
you back.
For example, the first time Idid this mind-body work, um I
(11:01):
was I I can do it doing musclebecause my my background
carapatter was doing muscletesting.
So I muscle tested myself, I'mready, willing, and able to be
successful.
And subconsciously with thisguy, like I'm I'm strong, and
then I went weak.
It's like, ah so then we endedup back five years old, and it
(11:23):
was it's fascinating, like itpopped right out.
I'm five years old, I'm coloringin my coloring book.
My little sister is three and ahalf.
So I finish before her.
I go and show it to my mother,and my mother says, Well done,
Lisa, you'd colour between thelines, it's beautiful.
My little sister, she can colourbetween the lines, yeah, she's
(11:45):
three and a half, and she wasnot finished.
So now she ran away crying.
Standing there going, Oh, thatsucks.
When I'm successful, I hurtother people's feelings, and
worse, I ended up alone.
And I can tell you from workingwith thousands of people
(12:07):
subconsciously, that is such acommon story.
Like I was in Chicago and I wasspeaking to 350 coaches from
North America and Europe, and Italked about this, and I offered
at the end, I said, if you want,I'll test you.
I had at least 100 coaches.
So coaches are supposed to beall about success.
(12:31):
And out of the hundred, therewas only one coach that was
congruent with wanting to besuccessful.
Everybody else associates beingsuccessful with uh not fitting
in the family or making theirfriends feel bad about
themselves, being abandoned,people being jealous.
(12:54):
And I because we're socialbeings, when you have these
beliefs in the back of yourmind, it will hold you back, you
will hit a plateau and you won'tbe able to go through it.
And there are three clues thatyou have a subconscious belief
working against you.
Number one, you know what needsto be done, but you're not doing
it.
The famous procrastination.
(13:16):
So the good news is it's notbecause you're lazy or lack
willpower, it's because yoursubconscious mind imagine like
your conscious mind that wantssomething is like the size of a
football, but your subconsciousmind the football field.
So imagine like how much energyis being drained out of you, and
(13:37):
that's why you feel like uh allof a sudden you know if you
picked up that phone, you canyou know have something, or if
you trained that day, you couldhave amazing results, but
instead you go on social media,you call your friends, you eat a
whole bag of cookies, you know,to do all of these things.
(13:57):
Why?
Because the subconscious mindbelieves it's gonna be too
dangerous for you to have thisthing that you really want.
The second clue, and andactually, when is your audience
is probably kind of driven kindof person, and what I find is
that people then get upset andashamed of themselves because
they know what they should bedone.
(14:18):
So on top of not doing it, nowthey're blaming themselves and
they shame themselves into notlike why am I being like this,
which just increases thestuckness.
Alright.
Number two, you do what needs tobe done, but uh, it feels like
drudgery.
Writing that report instead oftaking you one hour takes you
(14:40):
three and that's okay if youare, you know, it's just a
one-time thing, but like let'ssay you have a goal of starting
your business and be successfula year from now, but
unconsciously it's not good foryou, you're gonna be fighting
for a whole year drainingyourself, working against
(15:01):
yourself and getting sick often.
Like for me, I can shareeveryone, uh last few months I
have not been sleeping verywell.
I was sleeping like I couldn'tfall asleep, I couldn't stay
asleep, I would sleep four hoursa night, and I'm going, is that
my hormone?
What's going on?
(15:22):
And then maybe this is anemotion, so I do the heart
freedom method on it and wentback when I was born.
My mom was asleep and I felt Iwas gonna die in there.
So for me to go from onequantum, which is the belly of
(15:43):
my mom, to the outside worldwould meant death.
So now my book with Jack isabout to come out.
So even though it's a goodthing, the Pavlovian bell rings,
and now like my conscious, mysubconscious, like danger,
danger, danger.
This is dangerous, you're goingto die.
(16:03):
Like hyper alert, hyper alert,like be aware, be aware.
This is dangerous.
So, anyway, I got rid of thisand I've been sleeping like a
baby.
SPEAKER_01 (16:13):
And you get rid of it because you talk to yourself,
right?
You recognize that that's athought that's coming up, that's
not in alignment with who youwant to be.
Is that how that works?
SPEAKER_03 (16:23):
It's deeper.
It's a 10-step, it's a 10-stepmethod that we end up actually
plugging into the subconsciousand finding the exact moment
when the belief was stored inyour physiology.
SPEAKER_02 (16:38):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_03 (16:39):
Yes, okay.
This is how it works.
I have like two psychiatristswho got trained in Sunday
because talking about it isgood, but it doesn't go into the
subconscious.
You need to clear thesubconscious.
And then I take it one stephigher.
I actually bring gratitude tothe event at that moment.
So that's because as long asthere's an emotional charge,
(17:01):
either positive or negative,we're not free.
We're stuck energizedlyspeaking, recreating this over
and over and over again.
So the only way to neutralizesomething is to actually have
gratitude for it.
SPEAKER_02 (17:15):
Even if it's bad, right?
Even if it's especially whenit's bad.
SPEAKER_03 (17:20):
Especially, because sometimes we store a moment in
in life where we we wereoverjoyed, and then we just try
to reproduce this over and overagain, which is a kind of
addiction, and it gets ustrouble.
But like me, I told you aboutmy, you know, what happened to
me.
SPEAKER_02 (17:37):
Your daughter and your dad, and and I can tell you
all kinds of substory.
SPEAKER_03 (17:42):
In the room, my I had a twin that died beside me.
So, but my twin died beside memade me want to be a healer.
So I'm grateful for my twinstory.
So that's why, no matter howchallenging it is, I am so on a
quest to understand thateverything that has happened
(18:02):
happened for us, not to us.
That's why when I saw you thinkabout purpose, I thought, ah,
perfect.
Because your purpose, like youwrote, and you know this, comes
from the challenges.
Some of the challenges you'reconscious of them, but some of
the challenges you're not awareof.
And that's what's really cool.
When you learn, if you if youwant to be fully in peak
(18:26):
performance, you need to besomeone who's consciously aware
of what you want to create, butyou also need to have a tool how
to deal with your subconsciousbelief.
And then it's about takingactions and seeing what works.
The third clue that you have asubconscious believer working
against you is you do everythingright, but you get the opposite
(18:46):
results.
And that is frustrating.
SPEAKER_02 (18:50):
Yes, it is.
SPEAKER_03 (18:52):
When you're driven and you follow the recipe that
they tell you, if you'll followthis, you're gonna get it.
But then always something seemsto happen that prevents it from
happening.
It's not a coincidence.
And it's really it becomesdepressing for driven people
because they feel like I triedfive times already and it's not
(19:15):
working.
I think I'm just not supposed tohave it.
And now people feel unlucky andfeel like maybe it's not for me.
And I that's what I'm really,really uh passionate about
talking about because I wantpeople to know that they can
have heaven on earth, they cancreate their own amazing life,
(19:38):
but they just need to understandthe game.
I call that the ultimate game oflife.
Like the ultimate game of lifeis that is that have your
purpose that's not based on yourthoughts or your emotions, but
truly from your heart.
And and you know when it's yourheart because it's quiet, it's
not like, oh my goodness, Iwanna have this, it's gonna be
amazing.
(19:59):
Every time we go into this, intoinfatuation, we end up in
depression right after that.
So when it's your heartspeaking, there's a part of you
that goes, Oh man, really, I'mgonna have to do this.
But is it's a calling, you don'thave a choice, you must do this.
Like for me, in 1989, I wrotedown a mission statement for my
(20:21):
life, and the career part saidthat I'm gonna help heal the
hearts of a million people.
SPEAKER_02 (20:27):
That's a pretty bold one.
SPEAKER_01 (20:29):
That's a big that's a big hairy but big bold
butcher, yeah, hairy vision,absolutely.
SPEAKER_03 (20:36):
And and through maximizing their life potential,
and I had no idea.
I just knew the what and thewhy.
SPEAKER_01 (20:44):
The how is not up to you, actually.
Exactly that's what most peopledon't understand, especially the
high achievers.
They think they're responsiblefor the how.
I was having a coffee with afriend of mine yesterday, and
she's a very high achiever, andshe just went through a lot of
darkness, and she was stuck.
(21:06):
And I said, This isn't the howis not up to you.
The how, and we're face-based,both of us.
And so I said, The how is up toGod?
You leave that one up to him.
You are the one that designedthe what.
And that's that's your job.
That is your job, that's whatyou focus on, and you don't
(21:27):
worry about how you're gonna getthere.
You're just you know that thisis your next step.
That's it.
That's what you're focused onright now.
SPEAKER_03 (21:35):
Yeah, that what you're saying is so true.
Like, and I believe that ourheart is our connection to our
soul that's connected to God.
So when we're connected there,when we feel that calling inside
of us, then the journey tomanifest that calling is what
brings a rich life.
Like my life, since I wrote downmy mission statement for my
(21:58):
life, has been so rich.
It's not been easy.
No, and and but it's been coolalso.
SPEAKER_01 (22:05):
Like, but you know, we all have dark moments, and
that's the thing we were talkingabout yesterday, too, with my
girlfriend.
She said, I'm just tired oflearning.
I kind of just want to coast fora while.
That's not gonna work out, girl.
SPEAKER_03 (22:19):
You know what I find though, the if you have big
goals and you want to make themhappen really quickly, you're
gonna attract lots of baseballbats to get you there.
So if you want to coast, youneed to have, you know, you can
have big goals, but instead oftrying to make them happen in
(22:39):
six months, you make them happenin five years.
Because otherwise it's likeyou're driving on the highway
and you put your you're going at100 miles an hour, you're still
doing a map, you're turning thecorner and there's a tree there.
It's like, you know, sometimesyou just need to slow down and
then you'll pass.
But you learn your lessons a lotfaster.
(23:00):
That's the thing.
If you jump in really full on,it's gonna come at you left,
right, and center.
Fear, you know, but you're gonnalearn fast.
SPEAKER_02 (23:12):
Yeah, there are lessons here that we're meant to
learn.
I mean, for sure.
And when we get repeatinstances, like we were talking
yesterday.
SPEAKER_01 (23:26):
Why did this happen to me so many times?
And it's it's I go, well, haveyou learned the lesson of
whatever it is that God istrying to teach you in this in
this dark chapter?
And she she said, no, and Isaid, Well, I'd start there, you
know, because it's if it keepsrepeating, there's there's
(23:49):
something stuck there.
There's, and we were talkingabout beliefs yesterday, because
I'm a I'm a life coach.
I was like, look, there'ssomething that is preventing you
from moving forward.
And it's it's something thatlikely, you know, happened at
the moment of trauma.
Whatever that is, whatever isthese three things that are
happening to you, if they'rerelated.
(24:11):
There's a little there's there'ssomething, it's backing up into
a wall of experiences that yourmind is using to program a
response.
And and I said, So now we haveto go back to understand what
that belief system is, right?
We know what the trauma was.
Now we have to identify what isdriving this thing, what is
(24:33):
driving those thoughts, that aredriving the big feelings, that
are driving the reactions, andthat are giving us the results
in life.
And she said, Oh my gosh.
I said, Yeah, we're gonna haveto go way back.
And and here's and here's wherefaith steps in.
You can ask God for help.
Please reveal to me what thatbelief is and allow him to show
(24:57):
you, to guide you out of thatdark chapter.
But I imagine that this youmentioned something that was
really key, it's the acceptancepiece.
You didn't say the wordacceptance, but that's how I
described students, which isacceptance.
SPEAKER_03 (25:12):
But this is with your friend, if she knew how to
do the hard free dumb method,she would find it.
It takes 10 minutes.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (25:22):
We'll have to include your your link to the
book where you discuss thisbecause that way people can buy
it and and that's where youfully explain it, right?
Isn't the book?
SPEAKER_03 (25:33):
Yeah, it's in the book, but also I have an online
program right now that peoplecan sign up for and and like
live with me.
That's that's what I want to do,is like the book is gonna show
people, and then if they want togo deeper, they can come and do
an online program with me.
But what you're saying is sotrue, is like and from working
with thousands of peopleone-on-one, I find there are two
(25:55):
stages to human development.
The first stage is theunconscious and a sleep
infantile stage.
Everybody goes through that one.
The second one is the conscious,awake, and mature stage.
I call the first stage the bootcamp.
I call the second one heaven onearth.
(26:16):
And this is what happened instage one.
We need these beliefs because Iam convinced that our essence,
the essence of each and everyone of us, is love.
SPEAKER_02 (26:26):
Oh yes.
SPEAKER_03 (26:27):
I believe that God is love.
So our essence is love, but wehave to forget our divine
essence because otherwise, whenyou fully in your heart, like a
little Buddha under the Buddhatree, have no desire.
Like, could you imagine billionsof people have no desire?
That would not work so well.
So we have to forget our divineessence, and then we attract the
(26:51):
perfect challenges to drive us,because you know, we run away
from pain towards pleasure.
That's what we all do.
But once we can when once wecome from that understanding and
you find the belief, then yougo, Wow, that is why I needed to
(27:11):
have this story.
And you're right, until likeit's just gonna keep happening
over and over, until you find abelief, which is the heart
freedom method, you dissolve itthrough like you need to go in
the subconscious mind, and fromthat place clean it out of your
physiology, and then bringgratitude to that moment that
(27:34):
was challenging.
So now you're free.
Now you can go and start playingin your stage two, heaven on
earth.
So I like giving visuals.
So the difference between stageone and stage two is in stage
one, we get a sense of self fromthe way the world reacts to us,
and the way the world reacts tous in a way we like, I'm queen,
(27:56):
I'm king of the world, anythingis possible, I can have
everything I want, I'm worthy oflove, I'm amazing.
But as a baby, if you cried andcried and cried and cried and
cried and cried, and you wereput in the nursery and your mom
would love to see you, but shecan't.
You go, What's wrong with me?
(28:17):
She's not coming.
Something must be wrong.
If I cry too much, it hurts.
I'm gonna stop ha asking forwhat I want.
Now we create these beliefs thathaving what we want is painful.
That's why people, when they'rein s in the boot camp, I call
(28:38):
that hell on earth also.
Because you can't get out of it.
But in stage two, this is whatuh if you're not if you're not
looking, if you're onlylistening, it's like if you have
the yin and the yin and you usethe dark side as the female
principle of listening to yourheart.
Your heart wants you to know twothings.
(28:59):
The first thing your heart wantsyou to know is you already have
loved and to do everything youcan to let go of any beliefs to
the opposite.
And the second thing your heartwants for you is to admit your
dreams and aspirations, and thenit's to organize your male
principle to bring your heartwhat it wants.
Ta-da! So this is how you createheaven on Voila! Extractable!
(29:25):
Expect them all! So, and what'scool is when you're playing in
stage two, you can go and lookin my stage one.
Which event did I attract thatgave me the talents, the
quality, the courage that now Ican use in my stage two to
create heaven on earth.
It's it's really like a videogame.
(29:47):
It's once you understand it,it's like and I like talking
about this, so thank you forhaving me here because yes,
because this is a when when youare in stage one, you find you
suddenly you Can go like, am Iin stage one or in stage two
right now?
Am I creating or am I inreaction?
Oh, pull myself back in to stagetwo.
(30:09):
Everything that's happening ishappening for me.
SPEAKER_02 (30:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (30:13):
Cool.
And live becomes a different, itbecomes a video game, a fun
game.
SPEAKER_01 (30:20):
Well, you're leveling up.
You're leveling up because youare now using the conscious
ability of your mind in stagetwo to work with your
subconscious mind and get themout of and get yourself out of
there and understand and becomeaware of oh, I can choose
different thoughts.
I don't have to listen to mythoughts.
I can actually talk to myselfand talk to myself and be
(30:44):
grateful that yes, this was ahard chapter, but I learned a
lesson and I'm able to applythat lesson to get me the skill
sets to give me the dreams thatI want.
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (30:56):
Exactly.
And and what you're saying is sotrue.
And when you do it right, whenyou really dissolve this the
belief in the subconscious mind,you don't need to go over it.
It's done.
SPEAKER_01 (31:10):
No, it's done.
It's actually, it seems to havepower over you once you identify
it and actually dispel the whywith the evidence of your life.
I think that's very powerful.
Because then um it's like you'reconvincing yourself.
You're using your consciousability of your mind to convince
your subconscious of like, whyare you believing this?
(31:32):
This isn't even true anymore.
Might have been true when I wasa baby.
SPEAKER_03 (31:36):
I'm grateful.
SPEAKER_01 (31:37):
And I'm grateful, you know.
SPEAKER_03 (31:39):
I don't need it anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (31:40):
I don't thank you.
Thank you for being there forme.
I know you tried to protect mebecause you know our mind loves
that.
It's like the acknowledgementand the acceptance piece of
like, this was just part of me.
And I needed it to learn theskill sets to serve to thrive,
right?
And now that I have them, I'mvery grateful, but I need to let
you go.
And it's the way we talk to ourparents and to our habits that
(32:03):
just no longer serve us, andit's ready to let go.
SPEAKER_03 (32:06):
And it doesn't have to be traumatic, like I shared
with you.
You know, I was coloring in acoloring book.
unknown (32:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (32:12):
I needed that belief.
Why?
Because that belief made mehumble and made me want to
understand, to have empathy.
Like all kinds of blessings camein my life for me while I needed
it.
Now it's okay for me to be myfull expression, you know.
I don't myself small anymore.
And and it was fascinating.
(32:33):
Like once I let go of thatbelief, I was able to break
through ceilings that I had, andit I find it's amazing.
You can go from ceilings toceilings.
Like I can test someone, like uhsomebody last week came in and
he wanted to make 40 milliondollars.
All right.
Okay, well, but he was not evenokay making 250,000.
SPEAKER_01 (32:56):
You see, but you gotta be okay with it a little
bit.
It's like the blessing, right?
You still have a blessing,you're making$250,000.
You gotta let it left.
unknown (33:08):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03 (33:09):
Because of his pastor, where it came from, and
his father.
That's another one.
That's a really good one.
Like if your family, you know,was you know, poor, it's like I
don't have the right to havemore money than my family of
origin.
SPEAKER_02 (33:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:25):
But those are the like generational beliefs, too,
that get passed down.
That we adopt his own, like minethat got passed down that I
identified long ago in thewriting of my book in Faith I
Thrive, I identified one thatsaid, I need to sacrifice
something to have it all,because I come from a Mexican
(33:47):
background.
And the Mexican woman, thecultural, you know, the society
and the way they think, and therole of the woman, and the role
of the man.
And sometimes I think religionplays a role in it as well, that
you don't understand well uhscripture and how scripture is
set up, and until you reallydive into the word, then you
(34:08):
understand what your true roleis, and it's very powerful.
But you don't realize howpowerful it is until you you
understand it fully.
But going back to the originalwith this, the example of this
guy is you're right, it could bea generational thing, and it
could be very simple.
It doesn't have to take years toget rid of the belief, it's just
(34:30):
an acknowledgement.
SPEAKER_03 (34:32):
Yeah, if you do it, but you have to do it not only
in your head, like from myexperience, because then it just
keeps coming back.
That's why you need to go in thesubconscious mind.
It's subconscious mind to clearfor the physiology, but then the
the spiritual experience is tosee wow, it was perfect for me.
It was a divine design just forme.
(34:53):
So when you you do thesubconscious, which is great,
but then you bring it intogratitude, which makes you feel
connected with your divineessence.
That's why it really clears outof your of your uh physiology
and your now.
You just move on to the nextone.
SPEAKER_01 (35:13):
Yeah, and that's how and that's you know, because we
never stop learning aboutourselves.
There's just so many layers,right?
We're very there's so manylevels to us, if you will.
We're gonna use the video gameanalogy that we started from the
beginning.
And the beauty of the journey oflife is discovering those layers
and using those layers to levelup, to kind of say, okay, thank
(35:36):
you.
I've learned something here, andI now know how to get to this
level because I learned thatskill having gone through this
dark chapter.
And that's awesome.
And I and I appreciate it, God.
Thank you for my divine design.
Uh, let's move on to purpose.
Do you think this is your divinepurpose now?
To work with people, to reallyuse the heart method.
SPEAKER_03 (36:00):
Ultimately, I'm gonna tell you my big agenda
that I discovered through doingthis work is that I know that
when I do the heart fit onmethod, I heal the hearts of
people.
But more than that, I discoveredlately.
But it really inspires me isthat it's a big buttish goal,
(36:20):
but that if I can get a lot ofadults to know this and do the
work, then they can raise littlekids since they're little kids.
To know that no matter what'shappening, it's happening for
them.
Yeah, to them.
And they can do the heartfeeding method right from the
beginning and let go of stories.
(36:42):
And then because we can neverlife will never only be support,
it'll be challenged.
What we all need to do is weneed to challenge ourselves to
follow our heart.
I actually got to be on stagewith the people from the movie
The Secret, and I got to teachthem the true law of attraction.
So I got a kick out of that.
And I thought I'm gonna give youthe true law of attraction.
(37:05):
So if you challenge yourself,you attract support.
SPEAKER_02 (37:11):
If you sit in your comfort zone, you attract
challenges.
SPEAKER_03 (37:16):
So if we wanna raise a state a whole generation of
children, we're gonna teach themthey're worthy of love.
They're gonna know it in theirheart of hearts.
And then we're gonna ask them,like, how are you gonna bring
the best out of yourself?
Like if even if they're playinga game, like how are you gonna
(37:36):
do this out of joy or whatever,like they're doing to do it,
like challenging themselves tobring the best out of themselves
with their friends, with theirmom, with like their studying,
like doing it in the in aconscious way.
Like one of my coaches, becauseI certify coaches in in my
method, she has a four yearsold.
Her name is Rosemary.
(37:57):
When she was four years old, shetold her mom, you know, mom, I
was in the car and I had carsickness, and I did the heart
feeder method.
And it went back to when I was ayou know, eating in my high
chair and la la la la la.
So she did the heart method, andthen she was my coach was
telling me, Um now Rosemary isfive years old.
(38:18):
She was at a party and talkingwith this grown-up woman, and
the grown-up woman saidsomething, and then Rosemary's
five said, Soul, what do youthink was the benefit to that?
SPEAKER_02 (38:29):
It was funny because you know, kids they absorb their
sponges.
SPEAKER_01 (38:34):
My goodness, they absorb everything.
I just tell my kids, it's like,don't focus on my negative
attributes because we all havethem.
I can look at the good stuff I'mdoing too.
Come on.
SPEAKER_03 (38:45):
But that's why I when you told me that this is
what you wanted to do with yourchild, it's like, yeah, this is
exactly what we need to do, islike get them inspired.
Like the four things that livein the heart, one is love, the
other one is gratitude,inspiration, and wisdom.
Love, gratitude, inspiration,and wisdom.
(39:06):
So when we're connected in ourheart, we get inspiration.
Emotions don't live in theheart.
Love is not an emotion, it's ouressence, it's who we are, and we
know when we are there becauseit's powerful, it's stable.
And and in a way, emotions islike you can be on a cloudy day
thinking there's no sun, but thesun is always there.
(39:27):
So our heart, our love is alwaysthere, and emotions are like
clouds, they come and go, butour essence is always there.
SPEAKER_01 (39:35):
Yeah, and we gotta ground ourselves in it.
So that's awesome.
Thank you so much, Dr.
Lee.
You've given us so much wisdom.
Speaking of wisdom, any lastminute um tips or just us words
that you want to leave with thelisteners of released outreveal
purpose, and also let us knowhow we can reach you.
SPEAKER_03 (39:58):
Cool.
Um, yeah, so because it goeswith that thing I just said
about the little kids, is likeall of us when we feel a
challenge, we can't allowourselves to feel sorry for
ourselves for five minutes.
You know, we don't have aspiritual bypass.
So and then you take a deepbreath and you go, since I'm
worthy of love, how am I goingto use this to my advantage?
(40:22):
What is this asking me to do?
What is it I'm supposed tomaster?
Which direction is this sendingme?
Just like you know, I told youmy story in 1989.
Um so I face a challenge, I takea deep breath.
(40:43):
Since I'm ordered of love, howam I gonna use this to my
advantage?
I'm being asked to mastersomething because obviously if I
had mastered it, it wouldn't bea challenge anymore.
Or it's sending me in adirection I don't know I need to
go yet.
Or sometimes we know we'rekicking and screaming, not
wanting to go.
(41:03):
So challenges always are therefor us.
And once you start looking atlife that way, it's it's really
powerful.
And and for you to make itfaster, make sure you learn a
tool to master your subconsciousmind so you can make it your
your friend and not your foe.
SPEAKER_01 (41:22):
And do tell us how we can reach you, Dr.
Lee.
So if we want to take yourcourse or we want to buy your
books.
SPEAKER_03 (41:29):
Um, so I have one book that you can download right
now.
It's about the conscious part oflife, and it's called
Conversation with the Heart.
Conversation with the Heart.
So it's a conscious way ofcreating your life.
That's one really good way.
The other one is you candownload um a checklist called
(41:50):
Get On Stock Checklist.com andthat will connect you with that,
or you can uh reach us at Gregat drlegionale.com.
SPEAKER_02 (42:04):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (42:05):
Wonderful, wonderful.
And for the listeners of releasedoubt reveal purpose, remember
Matthew 514.
Be delight.
Have a wonderful week.
SPEAKER_02 (42:14):
Stay safe.
Love you all.
Bye now.
Bye-bye.
SPEAKER_00 (42:21):
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Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.