What if love isn’t a feeling but a force—and you’ve already felt it? We sit down with Laura Hoorweg to trace the surprising ways the divine breaks through: a child searching for God in church aisles, a teen lifted above a cliff into the galaxies, and a young woman warned by a “police officer” who may have been something else entirely.
Alongside Laura’s mystical path, Sylvia opens up about the ICU night that remapped her life—Easter weekend, an 80% chance of dying, and a peace so tangible it changed the room and the prognosis.
Across stories, a pattern emerges: connection starts within. Laura’s mantra—go in, then up—untangles language wars over God, Spirit, and universe, pointing to the same summit reached by different trails.
We explore why many awaken around thirty-five, how quantum ideas echo ancient wisdom about energy and consciousness, and what mediumship looks like when the aim is healing rather than proof.
From wilderness epiphanies to angelic protection, the thread is consistent: love as energy and action, not sentiment, and purpose as the next faithful step taken from a centered life.
If you want to connect or work with Laura, visit her website at www.spiritspeaks2.me
To download a free chapter of host Sylvia Worsham's bestselling book, In Faith, I Thrive: Finding Joy Through God's Masterplan, purchase any of her products, or book a call with her, visit her website at www.sylviaworsham.com
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SPEAKER_00 (00:02):
If you've ever struggled with fear, doubt, or
worry and wondering what yourtrue purpose was all about, then
this podcast is for you.
In this show, your host, SylviaWarsham, will interview elite
experts and ordinary people thathave created extraordinary
lives.
So here's your host, SylviaWarsham.
SPEAKER_03 (00:31):
Hey my bringers, it's Sylvia Warsham.
Welcome to Released Out ReviewPurpose.
SPEAKER_02 (00:35):
And today is Laura Horwick, all the way from
Canada.
Yet another Canadian interview.
They're everywhere.
They have so much to say.
And when I read her story, I wasso intrigued.
She said that her path startedat age 11 when she sought out
God and the Angels.
And that right away got myattention.
(00:57):
Because as a woman of faith, assomeone who's received miracles
in 72 hours, that is a topicthat I love talking about.
But she's not only someone thatstarted very young, she's
followed that path intuitively.
Now when you when you're in anintuitive like Laura, you allow
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life to flow through you toguide others.
You don't look at answersoutside of yourself, you look
within, and you allow it to flowfrom within, and that is very,
very powerful.
And that's why I was sointrigued to have her on the
podcast because she's someonethat channels.
(01:40):
I remember the first time thatsomeone explained what was
channeling, it actually freakedme out.
And but they said, you know, soyou just stay open because you
have the gift of prophecy, andso you've got to stay open to
that gift because you havethings to share from somewhere
else, from beyond yourself, andso the channeling is to just
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allow and stay open, and that'swhat Laura does best.
So without further ado, Laura,thank you so much for joining us
on Released Out Review Purpose.
SPEAKER_01 (02:15):
Oh, thank you for inviting me.
SPEAKER_02 (02:17):
It's a pleasure to finally meet you.
I saw your face, the light inyour eyes and your picture, and
I and then when I met you rightnow, I was like, oh my goodness,
that is her.
She you look like there's lightcoming from you.
SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
Oh, I love that.
Better than the opposite.
Yes, way better than theopposite is well, you know, and
we we come at very I I'm justgonna kind of set the I've been
told to set the scene here.
We come to very similar ideasand and basis, but we come at it
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from different avenues.
Because you're very much in yourfaith and and you you're you're
quite religious, whereas I'm notI have had my religious times,
but I was not brought up inreligion.
I was not brought up in religionat all, and that sparked what
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you had asked me about thatwhole journey when I was eleven,
because I wasn't brought up in afaith-based family.
And all of a sudden when I wasaround ten or eleven, I decided
that I needed to know where Godand the angels were, and just
because sort of in ourJudeo-Christian culture, um,
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everybody said, Well, you know,if you want to know God and
angels, you have to go tochurch.
So I would I certainly wasn'tgonna go to I know, I know, but
I certainly wasn't gonna betaken to church by my family,
okay, because as I said, theyweren't church-going people.
So I decided I was lucky enoughto live in a neighborhood where
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there was oh at least five orsix churches of all different
denominations within walkingdistance of my home.
So every Sunday for five or sixSundays, I got all because I'm
gonna date myself, but back inthe day, okay, you had to get
dressed up for church.
That was the thing, right?
You had to Sunday best and allthat thing.
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So I put on a skirt andeverything, which at that age
you would never catch me inotherwise, uh, because I was a
bit of a tomboy.
But my my little patent leather,strappy shoes, and all that, and
off I went.
So the the reader's digestversion is I met a lot of really
nice people.
I met some not very nice people,and I discovered that God and
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the angels, even though therewas a lot of lovely things, a
lot of lovely ceremony, a lot oflovely music, and as I said, I
met some wonderful people.
God and the angels were notthere.
That's not where they werethere, at least not for me.
Um, I'm sure there are somepeople who that's where they
connect.
Um, so then uh what happened wasI would got into at that age,
(04:59):
well, I had been a guide, uhokay.
I I'll I'll Americanize it foryou.
I'd been a Girl Scout, a gaygirl guide.
I'd been a brownie and a girlguide, and actually I went into
the Rangers after when I wasolder.
But um, so I was got into a lotof camping and hiking and canoe
tripping and all these wonderfulthings out in the wilderness.
And to be perfectly honest,that's where I discovered my
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connection.
My connection to God, to spirit,to the angels, to the earth,
whatever, whatever way theuniverse, you know, I don't care
what language and labels you puton it, it to me it's all the
same thing.
Okay, it's the energy of loveand the energy of connection.
And that's where I discovered mytrue connection was in the
wilderness.
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And that connection to thebeauty of the wilderness, the
the freedom, the energy is somuch different.
Now I'm talking aboutwilderness, I'm not talking
about you know walking around inyour neighborhood park.
Um, now that that's better thannothing, but if you want to get
to the level of the energy thatI'm talking about, you really
have to find um true wilderness.
(06:03):
And I think that's why so manypeople get hooked on being out
in the wilderness because it'sthat energy.
Whether they understand that ornot, that's what it is.
SPEAKER_03 (06:16):
I wanted to I cannot disagree with you.
SPEAKER_02 (06:21):
In nature is where I connected with them in 2020.
unknown (06:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (06:26):
Uh I connect with God everywhere, it's not in the
church.
Although I go to church now, Idid not go to church for many
years.
And I didn't grow up going tochurch because my parent, my
father, was a doctor and wasalways on call.
And as a family, we never wentto church.
They send us to Catholicschools, but as you know, and
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more Catholics will tell you,they don't teach you how to have
a relationship with him, theyteach you about their religion.
You see the precept there doingdishes, like my husband says,
you know, washing dishes, doingdishes, but you don't really get
to know him.
And what he's seeking from allof us, at least that's what he's
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explained to me, isrelationship.
The way I came to it was aftermy when I first married very
young at 23, I married a man 12years my senior, and he used to
go to the Catholic church, andwe started going, but I he would
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be a completely different personwhen we were at church, and then
the minute he stepped out, hewas like Jekyll and high.
And I experienced people in sucha negative way in that church
that I decided to turn away fromGod for many years.
Not that I was angry at him, Ijust associated the hypocrisy
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that I felt in others with GodHimself, and that wasn't the
case.
God is not a hypocrite, He istotally opposite of that.
Now I know that, but in thoseyears I didn't.
And it wasn't until my firsthusband asked for a divorce
through major change and throughthe darkest of times that I felt
the pull in my soul and said,You need you need to get to know
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me again.
We need to talk.
And I've always written eversince I was a little girl, and
so I just started writing in myjournal.
And the more I wrote, the morehe would reveal himself to me.
And that's how I started todownload some of these things.
Um, and then came my threemiracle story that I've shared
(08:40):
on the podcast multiple timesthat I was facing an 80% chance
of dying.
The doctors were very confidentI was not going to survive the
night.
And the weekend, justinterestingly enough, was Easter
weekend when I received mysecond chance at life.
I find that so interesting.
The timing.
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The timing of it is very, verymuch.
SPEAKER_01 (09:06):
You know, I love this because it what this
illustrates, which I I have a viI'm also very steeped in in
multiple religious what should Isay, um, learning.
Uh a lot of Eastern learning isand well, and there and you
know, the the phrase that alwaysgot me was there was many many
paths to the top of themountain, and everyone has to
(09:28):
find their own path.
And I don't really, you know, Ihonor everyone's path, I don't
care what it is, because I knowsome people too are who are
devoutly religious, um, butagain, it's uh as you said, it's
not so much the church, it'stheir deep relationship uh with
their faith and with God.
(09:48):
Uh they're they're you know,everybody has their own and you
know, we I guess I've been doingthis for so many years.
I'll be sitting with two peopleand they'll be arguing back and
forth and back and forth andback and forth about spiritual
things and religious things.
And I I just sit there and Istop them lots of times.
(10:09):
I said, Do you realize thatyou're both saying exactly the
same things?
You're just using differentverbiage.
So I I try not to let myverbiage or other people's
verbiage, very verbiageverbiage, get in the way.
Because you know, I think that'sone of the problems in this
world right now is that so manypeople are saying the same and
(10:31):
believe the same things.
Um, they just are expressingthem in different ways, and
people are going to war, they'rekilling people, they're you
know, um disassociating withpeople, hating people, um, and
they don't even reallyunderstand that everybody's
really saying the same thing,they're just saying it
differently.
SPEAKER_02 (10:52):
Yeah, and I've actually encountered so many
people that have said, Oh, doyou mind if I say the word
universe?
I said, No.
So, because long ago, God cameto me long, long ago, and said,
Baby girl, I need you to go getmy law sheet for me.
And I'm like, what do you mean?
SPEAKER_03 (11:11):
And he said, I need the people that are looking for
me.
I need you to find them, I needyou to meet them where they're
at, and in a gentle and kind waybring them back to me.
SPEAKER_02 (11:24):
And that to me meant I gotta meet them where they're
at.
That means I need to understandhow it is where they're at, how
they're seeking him.
And if they're saying universe,then I gently say God.
You know, I don't push it onthem, I don't, I simply talk
about my testimony and him insuch a way that I've heard from
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other people is very attractiveto them because I I allow, I
don't push scripture down, I usescripture to elevate and to
empower, and just to say, thisis this is how I've experienced
him, this is how he's shown upfor me.
How has he shown up for you?
And then they'll say, Oh, he's ashe.
(12:10):
I'm like, that's wonderful,that's wonderful that he shows
up.
I needed a dad, though.
I had a really um yeah, angryrelationship with my earthly
father for a long time.
I needed a father, I was seekingone.
So for me, he's always shown upas a dad, as a male figure, as
an energy, and he did showhimself fully in the ICU when I
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was praying for a miracle.
I felt his love, I feltincradling me.
I a peace washed over me thatwas beyond this world, a love
beyond this world.
It was so accepting and it wasso bright and loving.
It was a love I didn't want to,I didn't want to leave his
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presence.
It was so beautiful.
SPEAKER_01 (12:58):
This sounds so from this sounds very much like the
out-of-body experience I hadwhen I was 15.
SPEAKER_03 (13:04):
Oh, do tell me about that.
I want to know about that.
SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
Um, yeah, because it's it has it has elements that
are very close to a near-deathexperience, except it's
different.
Okay.
Okay.
So again, as I told you, youwere continuing the story.
I really got into um hiking andcanoe tripping and all that kind
of thing and rock climbing.
And I was at a I was working ata canoe camp, and we which we
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also did rock climbing, and wewere out rock climbing and
repelling.
We were on the top of a hugecliff and in the middle of a
massive um wilderness park inOntario, which is like a state
park for you guys.
And it I was looking off thiscliff, and all she could see was
the beauty of nature.
(13:51):
There was rocks and lakes andrivers and trees, and you
couldn't see anything human formiles and miles and miles and
miles, okay?
And it was so stunninglybeautiful.
I think that's what triggeredthis experience.
And what happened?
And I was just standing there,and all of a sudden, you know,
just taking in this all this aweand beauty in front of me, and I
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just boom, I popped out of mybody, and all of a sudden I
realized that I was in the sky,and I was looking down at my own
body, and I was looking down atmy compadres sitting on this
cliff, right?
And I'm like, what is going on?
But I was like not fearful inany way, it was very much the
same description.
I felt held, I felt warm, I feltsafe, I felt bigger though.
(14:37):
I felt I still felt like me, butI felt like part of everything
at the same time, okay, whichwas a really incredible
experience.
So you have to remember, I wasonly like 15, right?
And then all of a sudden, whooshagain.
And all of a sudden I lookaround and I'm above the earth,
and I'm gonna really date myselfhere because when I was young
was the time when they werehaving the first moon landings.
(15:00):
And I remember hearing theastronaut, because that was the
first time that anybody saw theearth from outside of the earth
was when they did the um thewhole space program, right?
And I remember hearing them talkabout it and thinking, wow, that
would be something great to see.
And that's exactly what Iexperienced.
I was like, wow, I can see thewhole earth below me, and it's
(15:22):
turning, I can see all theclouds and the land and
everything.
And I'm like, wow, like this isand again, the same uh thing.
I felt totally safe.
I was just in this sense of aweand wonder and safety, and I
felt part of everything, yet Istill felt like myself.
And I thought, wow, I can't getany better than this, right?
(15:44):
And and just literally, as Ithought that, whoosh again, and
all of a sudden I was out in themiddle of the universe.
And how I knew I was in themiddle of the universe is there
was all these spiral galaxiesaround me, and I went, oh,
there's our there's the MilkyWay, and Earth's right about
there in that arm of thatgalaxy, right?
And I'm like, What and I just Ijust started thinking, okay,
(16:09):
this is this is pretty wild.
What could possibly happen next?
Like, where could I possibly begoing next?
And just as I thought that, uh,it's like in Star Trek when that
giant hand comes out and grabsyou, it's like this giant hand
came, grab me, and pulled mesuddenly, like so quickly, back
(16:30):
into my body.
And I always use thisexpression, it was because like
my energy, my soul was soexpanded that it felt like
trying to take a basketball andstuffing it into a Coke bottle,
okay?
Because it was like I wouldn'teven fit back in my own body,
and it took three or four daysfor me to acclimatize to being
(16:52):
back into my body.
It was a really bizarre feeling.
But what actually happened,okay, in in 3D life, was one of
the instructors, the climbinginstructors, he grabbed the back
of my pants because he wasworried that I was too close to
the edge of the cliff, and he'dliterally yank me back by the
back of my pants.
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And that's what brought me backinto my body.
Wow, I'm telling you, thisseemed like this experience went
on for several hours, okay?
But I could tell that in intime, in Earth time, it was
probably seconds.
Like it was probably literallyseconds, maybe a minute.
(17:34):
Okay.
But I could tell becauseeverything was exactly the same
as I had left.
It was it was quite bizarre.
So this whole experience changedeverything, okay.
Number one, it told me that wewere more than a body, because
obviously I was still me, and Iwas out of my body, and so there
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we must be something differentthan just what's in this body.
Um, two, it told me that therewas not really any such thing as
death, because of course I wasoutside of my body and I wasn't
dead.
SPEAKER_04 (18:06):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (18:07):
Okay.
And so it just changed the way Ilooked at everything, and it
changed the way um I looked atwhat was possible and what was
not possible.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (18:18):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (18:19):
Yeah.
So that was at 15, okay.
But I always say, like, thespiritual journey is like this,
okay?
Everybody thinks it's a straightline, it's not, okay?
It it's a wave.
There's peaks and troughs andeverything.
So we just talked about twopeaks in my journeys, and then
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of course, you know, I went onmy own thing for a while.
And of course, the crazy 20scame along, and I I wasn't
typically that spiritual when Iwas in my twenties, although it
was still the basis was stillthere.
Um, and then I got back into itand into my into my 30s and 40s,
and and sort of just carried onfrom there.
But yeah, so that was anotherexperience.
SPEAKER_02 (19:02):
So what ended up happening in 30s and 40s?
I'm curious now.
You said you got back into it.
What got you back into it?
What was that moment for you?
SPEAKER_01 (19:14):
I don't know.
There was a huge shift around35.
Okay, in 35, we should talkabout this because I've been
shown how significant the age 35is.
Okay, I'll I'll give you I'llgive you the quickie version of
this.
I discovered this through mychanneling and through my
mediumship work, and I actuallydiscovered it, but my guides, my
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angels, made me figure it out onmy own, and then I said, Oh,
this is what it is, and theysaid, Yeah, you're right.
This is what happens all thetime.
Okay.
A lot of times I will ask foranswers and they'll say, figure
it out, which really pisses meoff.
Because I get all kinds ofinformation for other people,
but a lot of times if I want toknow something, they'll they
want me to figure it out firstor at least partially uh before
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uh they will actually talk to.
Me about it.
But the thing about 35 isbelieve it or not, universe,
God, the angels, again, I don'tcare what you want to use,
doesn't really consider us to bemature adults until we're 35.
Okay.
(20:18):
So this is one of the reasons Iyou know I I've said recently, I
don't believe that anybodyshould be having a child until
after they're 35, or at least 35around that.
Because for so many hundreds ofyears, we have been children
raising children.
Okay?
And you want to know why there'sso many problems in the world?
That's the basis of it, okay?
(20:39):
Because we've had childrenraising children instead of
adults raising children.
Okay.
So, where was I going with this?
SPEAKER_03 (20:47):
That what was the turn point for me?
Like, why would we let you backin?
SPEAKER_01 (20:51):
Yeah, it was that it was kind of the switch in that
energy, and then I startedreading again, and I actually
came into spirituality in a bigway because of science.
This is when science startedtalking about spirituality and
and and religion.
And actually, one of the booksthat's really funny that really
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started to bring me in was thebook called by uh Gary Zukoff
called Sea of the Soul.
And he was a he was a physicist,and now even more so, with all
the quantum physics andeverything going on, um, they
are actually provingscientifically so many of the
(21:34):
long-hilt spiritual beliefs,which they which science
poo-pooed for so long, right?
And I'm just like, yes.
And what people don't know whothey haven't studied ancient
religions and ancient beliefs,uh, in the beginning, in the
beginning, um, science andspirituality were the same
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thing.
Okay?
It was split when big timeorganized religion came on the
scene because it was a powerplay.
Okay, they wanted to, you know,they wa it it's all about
control.
We could go on that for a wholeshow.
We're not gonna go I'm not gonnago down that road today.
unknown (22:15):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (22:16):
Because it really doesn't matter.
Uh, because that's what it was,and that's history, and that's
how we got here.
Everything is a step to where weare.
And we're taking some prettypretty big steps over the next
few years, so it's gonna getinteresting.
SPEAKER_03 (22:34):
Oh, do tell.
Do tell what do you think ishappening?
SPEAKER_01 (22:38):
Well, this is the most radical, most rapid change
um to humanity that's everhappened.
unknown (22:50):
Ever.
SPEAKER_01 (22:51):
And we are there's more people awakening and
awakening than ever before.
Like people that I thought wouldnever the kind of people that I
thought would never awaken in amillion years, all of a sudden
they're waking up.
And when I say waking up, I meansome of the things that we
talked about earlier before wecame on the recording, was about
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that connection, knowing, havinga real personal connection to
whatever it is.
Again, whatever you want to callit, faith, spirituality, your
knowingness of the universe,whatever that is, that's what
we're talking about.
Okay, that that everythingemanates from inside, not
outside.
(23:33):
Okay, and and people often askme how to connect to spirit, and
I see people reaching up tospirit, and I say, you can't do
that because you have to go inand then up.
That's the key.
Okay, and so many people havebeen taught through different
(23:54):
religions that it's all aboutreaching up to God or reaching
up to the angels or reaching upto spirit, I don't care what
particular you know, religionyou're talking about, but it
they they've lost thatconnection because that root
connection is through you.
You have to be connected, andthe thing it's the same thing if
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you want to find love, okay?
You have to find love withinyourself before you're gonna be
able to find love with somebodyelse.
Absolutely that you know, thatis the big thing, and um because
there's tons of you know, I usethis word religiosity because
like you talking about church,that's what it actually I went
(24:38):
through a very churchy kind of Iwent through the when I was
young, actually, I think it wassomewhere in my thirties.
Um yes, it was in my earlythirties.
I went through this born-againChristian thing.
And I just went no.
(24:58):
Just it just because I I raninto a lot of what you were
talking about in terms of peopleacted one way in in church
because people thought that theyhad to act that way and they
wanted to show that face toother people, other Christians,
and then they came out of churchand they were oh my god, some of
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the most hideous people.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm nottalking about everybody, but a
certain a certain segment ofthat, and I just thought this is
the hypocrisy of this wholething is just unbelievable,
which I couldn't stand.
SPEAKER_02 (25:33):
So that see, and and for me, it I want to touch base
on one thing you said becausethe Holy Spirit was wanting to
say one thing here.
The whole love yourself beforeyou can love another is very
real.
If you look at his word, itsays, Love me first, and then
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love others as you loveyourself.
It's the same concept.
The love is what transforms thisrelationship.
It's not the building.
If you walk into any building,you can find God anywhere.
SPEAKER_01 (26:09):
It's not who's standing up at the poltergeist,
he's everywhere.
Everywhere.
SPEAKER_02 (26:14):
He's in you, he's in me, this is what connects us,
we're interconnected.
SPEAKER_01 (26:19):
Well, this is why nature to me is so important
because uh you know, the energy,the universal energy, the Christ
consciousness, whatever you wantto call it, the Holy Spirit,
whatever, is so in naturebecause it's unspoiled, because
nature is not like people,people can't cur because people
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corrupt energy, and and youknow, my belief on negative
things is all about I don'tbelieve that God generates
negative things, I believe thatwe generate that energy.
Oh, yeah, because I talk aboutevery because see, this is why I
love science, because nowscience has finally come you
know full circle, and it's likeeverything's energy,
(27:03):
everything's energy.
So I talk a lot of times interms of energetics because
everything is energy, and whatis that energy when you come
right down to it, and this iswhat they're finding out now,
too, is it's the energy of love.
And if you wanted me to defineGod, um, I would say God is the
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energy of love.
SPEAKER_03 (27:24):
Yes, very much so.
SPEAKER_02 (27:26):
That that is something I you felt it, I felt
it in both experiences the outerbody, in-body.
However, it just felt like forme, what it felt like, it was
like a bubble, like being in abubble, like very protected.
It's happened to me severaltimes in my life, but that one
was very pronounced because Iwas in the ICU and we were
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praying the Lord's Prayer, andwe were in a circle, and it was
so powerful because the momentthat the lady from the church
left the room, the ICU, myboyfriend, who then ended up
being my husband, turned to meand said, You felt them too,
didn't you?
He came to him too, he madehimself known to him, and he
felt the same peace that watchedover me and the radiance that
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was in my eye, my face, thenurses that saw me moments
later, because they were aboutto wool me into radiology to see
what had happened with thetherapy they had given me.
And if that hadn't worked, thenwhatever they were gonna put me
on next was likely gonna kill mein surgery, right?
And so it was a really I reallyneeded the miracle, and he and
(28:36):
he granted it.
It was and she said, So yeah,your face was luminous, but it
felt like a bubble, it was likewe were in a bubble, in a
protective bubble, like nothing.
SPEAKER_01 (28:47):
Okay, I'm you want an angel story?
I just got prompted to I have somany stories.
I just got prompted to tell youthe angel story because I
haven't I don't think I've donethis publicly too many times.
Okay.
Do so.
When I was in my twenties, thisis my spiritual experience in my
when I was in my crazyrebellious twenties, I was
living in um Alberta, which is aprairie province, like you know,
(29:11):
um it's like being in Montana orsomething.
Okay.
You know, it I'm just giving youa reference, right?
And um again, I'm gonna datemyself.
It was just as they brought inthe new seatbelt laws, okay?
Because before that, you therewas no law saying that you had
to wear your seatbelt.
So of course I'm in my 20s andthen I'm rebellious.
(29:32):
I'm like, there's no way I'mwearing a seatbelt.
You know, it's too confining, itcrushes my clothes, you know.
Uh oh, I'm not wearing it.
I'm just not not stubborn Lauracame out.
I just I'm not.
So then I'm driving to work andI get stopped by a police
officer.
(29:55):
And I'm well, here comes, andhe's standing there writing, and
it was a huge ticket.
I think in it was like$300 orsomething, and that was a long
time ago.
Like that was in the 80s.
Uh, it was a really heavy dutyfine because they really wanted
to get people to wear theirseatbelts.
So let's just say it was threeor four hundred dollars.
(30:17):
It was a big fine, okay.
And what was weird about it isusually, commonly, police
officers don't give youlectures.
They give you the ticket, theytell you what, they want to get
out of there as quick as theycan, okay?
So this guy proceeds to give me,I'm not kidding you, a 10 or 15
minute lecture, like he was mydad, okay?
(30:39):
And all the things that couldhappen to me, and I was such a
beautiful young woman, and whywould I waste my life?
You know, da da da da da.
Okay?
And I thought this was reallyweird, and I just wanted to get
the H out of there and get towork.
Because this guy, this cock wasmaking me late.
Not only was he giving me anenormous ticket, but he was
(31:00):
gonna make me late for work.
So, anyway, I I decided, well,this is ridiculous, Laura.
I don't want to spend this moneyon tickets, so I decided I I
gave in.
I surrendered and I put myseatbelt on and I started
wearing my seatbelt.
Well, not even probably a day,maybe two days went by, and from
(31:22):
my work there was a big hill,like a huge hill that you had to
come down into the river valley.
At the bottom of that hill was across street.
There was no lights, there wasno stop sign, there was only a
yield sign.
So yes, so people used to blowthrough that yield sign all the
(31:42):
time.
So as I was coming down thehill, you always slowed down
because you just never knew whowas gonna blow through that
right that yield sign right infront of you.
So I saw another car coming andshe stopped.
She yielded, and I went, okay,she's treating it like a stop
sign.
So I put my foot back on thegas.
(32:03):
So this is where you gotta useyour scientific brain.
So I am now accelerating, notonly with the heel, but I
actually have my foot back onthe gas.
So I'm literally almost to thecorner, and this silly girl
decides now is the time she'sgonna drive right across in
front of me.
Okay.
So I T-boned her, thankfully, onthe passenger side, okay,
(32:27):
because she probably would havebeen dead if she'd been if she'd
been going in the otherdirection.
And uh if you know aboutphysics, hitting her broadside
like that and accelerate, it waslike accelerating into the wall,
okay?
If you know your physics, I Imight as well have been driving
into a wall.
So basically, the engine andeverything basically ended up
(32:49):
pretty much in my lap.
I had my my one of my knees wentright through the dashboard.
I was mangled, okay.
And she got out of her car, shedidn't have a scratch on her.
She totally totaled both cars,okay?
That was back in the day.
That it they didn't just totalcars for a couple hundred
dollars damage, like they youknow, bent fenders like they do
(33:11):
today.
These two cars were totallywritten off.
And the policeman arrived, andthey're extricating.
They this is how serious theaccident was.
They took me out on a backboardwith a full collar, the whole
nine yards.
So I get to the hospital and thepolice officer comes because he
(33:31):
had grabbed my purse and allthis stuff out of my car, and he
looks down at me because myhead's still taped to a
backboard.
It's the worst feeling you'veever.
Because you can the only thingyou can see is straight above
you, it's horrible.
And he he just looked at me, hegoes, You're really lucky, young
lady.
He said, if you hadn't beenwearing your seatbelt, he said,
You would have been dead.
(33:51):
He said, We would have beenscraping you off the tarmac
because you would have goneright through your windshield,
right over the other car andlanded on the roadway.
And I'm like, Oh shit.
And this is literally two daysafter, okay?
So I'm waiting to get in to geta CT, and I said, I told him
(34:12):
about this other police officergiving me the ticket two days
before.
And he's giving me, he's gotthis weird look on his face, and
he goes, Well what did this guylook like?
And I described this man.
He was very um he was very, hewas not the guy next door.
He was actually quite tall, he'svery handsome and he had a
(34:34):
certain air about him, like hewas somebody that you would
notice, okay?
He didn't kind of blend into thebackground.
And the guy's looking at him, hegoes, I don't know.
He said, you know, I've been inI've worked for this precinct
for almost twenty years.
And he said, There's nobody likethat here in my precinct.
He said, There's nobody intraffic that looks at anything
(34:56):
like that that would have givenyou a ticket.
And I said, Well, he could havebeen from, you know, some other
uh and and he goes, No.
He said he wouldn't have beengiving you a ticket then because
he would have been out of hisprecinct.
And I just went, Oh my god.
I my uh my Spidey sentence went,Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel.
SPEAKER_03 (35:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (35:18):
Somebody Angel maybe somebody that passed on through
a body.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (35:26):
I I know I I definitely and I definitely and
actually I'll go even further.
Um, I believe it was ArchangelMichael, actually.
Archangel Archangel Michael isone of cause I'm like a warrior
angel.
SPEAKER_04 (35:43):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01 (35:45):
And I I have always known for a very long time that
I've been from the family of umMichael.
And um he was like Michael.
Like I he I told you he was areally sharp looking man.
And like he was really tall.
Like I mean really tall.
Because I'm 5'8, so when I saysomebody's really tall, they're
(36:05):
really tall.
Like he was at least, and I wassitting in my car.
SPEAKER_05 (36:08):
Like really six.
SPEAKER_01 (36:11):
Yeah, he's probably six five at least.
You know, he was like reallysuper tall because he just
towered, like he literally hadto bend himself in two in order
to talk to me and through thewindow and get my license and
stuff like that.
It was wild.
And I tell you, uh, ArchangelMichael has appeared to me
(36:31):
several times during my life.
I I can't tell you how manytimes I've nearly died.
Um, and a couple of times he'skind of shown up in his real
size, and I'm talking 35 feetkind of thing, and it's really
wild.
SPEAKER_02 (36:51):
It is wild.
You know, there is a blowout.
It's not Imagine Heaven,although Imagine Heaven tracked
the near-death experiences, butthey talked about angels, and
there was an atheist in the bookthat that followed Imagine
Heaven for John Burke, a NewYork Times bestselling author.
(37:12):
And interestingly enough, he isthe founding pastor of the
church I attend to, which isreally interesting.
It's really really interesting.
Well, the latest book that hewrote, there was an atheist that
had had a near-death experiencethat they tracked.
They did a scientific study,they they followed these people
(37:32):
for like 25 years, and they werepicking up, like they got their
testimonies.
Well, the atheist was brought toheaven with two angels guarding
him, and he said the angels weresuper tall.
I mean, like they're huge,they're like nothing what you
(37:54):
imagine them to be.
And the reason why they wereblocking him was because there
was a demon following them, andthey were blocking him from
being able to lock eyes with thedemon.
And when he they said that whenthey parted and he saw took a
look at the demon's eyes, it wasjust pure hatred coming out, and
(38:16):
it terrified him.
But he made it up and he had asemi-review with Christ himself
that showed him his hands andhis and his feet because he was
an atheist, right?
And said, This is who you'respeaking to, but everything is
via thoughts, like you weretalking earlier.
You would think it, andimmediately something happens.
(38:37):
It's like that's you how youspeak in heaven.
All other people said it in thebook.
That's that was one of thecharacteristics that everything
is via thought.
The angels are huge, the colorsare so vibrant, like colors that
you'll never see here on earth.
And the love.
SPEAKER_01 (38:54):
Yeah, I was taken by time.
This was in a this was in a umin a dream state, but it wasn't
a dream, okay.
No, no, no, I was I was taken toit was at night time when I was
asleep.
Let me put it that way.
It was in and anotherout-of-body, uh like an astro
traveling uh they I guess peoplemost people call like astro
(39:17):
traveling, but again, I wastaken by Archangel Michael and
another angel.
That's a whole nother story, um,to a healing temple in heaven.
And it was crystal, the wholething was crystal, um, and it
was all made of crystal, and itwas so I can't even describe how
bright it was to you.
(39:38):
Like if I if you'd been in yourphysical body, I could not have
looked at this because it was sopiercingly bright, like
something you can't and brightin the sense that there's like
that kaleidoscope of colors.
Like if you look at a prism or aor a clear quartz crystal and
all the colors are are vibratingoff of it.
(40:00):
That's what it was like.
So it's pretty wild.
SPEAKER_02 (40:02):
Yeah, they they all mentioned that.
That the light is so brilliantthat if you were doing it on
earth, it would it would justblind you.
It's like you can see back.
And that he's the energy.
Like he's an entity of energythat comes near you know it's
him.
Like everybody knows it's him.
And that the love is like nolove here on earth, which is
(40:26):
what I felt in that ICU.
It was so accepting, peaceful,so loving, so everything.
That's how I experienced them,but that's how a lot of these
people they were following inthis study experienced them
because they came back to telltheir testimony.
SPEAKER_01 (40:45):
Yeah, because we think we have we have actually
most people don't even reallyknow what love is.
People think love is an emotion.
It's not.
Okay, love is an energy.
Okay?
And it's and and it's a dynamicenergy in the sense that it is
love is a verb.
Okay, it's not a noun.
(41:06):
It's it's action.
It's energy and action.
Actually, that oh, I love that.
Energy and action.
That's what I'm doing.
Yeah, I yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (41:17):
Write it down for you so you don't forget.
SPEAKER_01 (41:19):
Energy and action, yeah.
Yeah, because everybody's we'reso much taught that it's an
emotion, and it's not an emotionat all.
SPEAKER_03 (41:29):
It's also a choice that you made.
SPEAKER_01 (41:31):
It's a force.
Um well and and honestly, no,it's not really.
It's not really.
Because see, that's part ofpeople thinking about that it's
an emotion.
It's not a choice.
It's there.
SPEAKER_03 (41:47):
It's whether you allow yourself to receive it or
not.
That's the choice, I think.
Well, and see, I'm gonna beg todiffer here because I am getting
a message.
SPEAKER_02 (42:07):
When Christ came and prayed in the garden before he
got arrested, before he gotbetrayed, he prayed to not have
to go through the flogging andnot have to go through the
crucifixion.
He asked God the Father if therewas any other way.
And yet, but he keptsurrendering to God's will over
(42:28):
and over and over again.
So, in essence, it is also achoice.
Yes, it's an energy.
Yes, you can choose to receiveit or not, or choose to give it
or not.
SPEAKER_01 (42:41):
But in in here, we're we're we're um I can't
can't I can't reach that.
We're we're we're we're lookingat thread instead of the big
picture.
SPEAKER_03 (42:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So now that we're in this space,I was curious about something.
SPEAKER_02 (43:05):
Like, who do you work with exactly?
SPEAKER_03 (43:09):
Because it's not something when you when you talk
about intuition people havedifferent ideas of what that is.
SPEAKER_02 (43:21):
So how how do people come to you?
SPEAKER_01 (43:24):
Like how do they find you I have well P I always
say that most people are led tome, uh all people are led to me
in one one way or another.
Um, but I have all kinds ofpeople.
Like I have probably clients whofrom every every organized
religion you could think of.
(43:46):
I have uh clients who are arewould only uh identify
themselves as spiritual.
Um I've had people come to mewho were who would have
identified themselves as beingatheists or or total non-believ.
I've had like I won't skepticismis one thing and I love skeptics
(44:09):
because actually those are thewhoops let's not shake the
camera.
Um some of the people that areum are the most blown away
because they come in wanting todisprove what I do and then they
they just have such anexperience that they can't.
Um so I always love that.
(44:30):
Uh cynics are another storybecause cynics just don't
believe anything.
SPEAKER_03 (44:35):
Well and they're angry.
SPEAKER_01 (44:36):
They're angry and they're angry and they don't
want to believe.
Like you could I could manifesta rose in my hand and they would
still think it was crap.
You know, it's just like so Ihave people from all walks of
life.
Um mo primarily women.
unknown (44:54):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (44:55):
I do tend to focus on women and women and that's
just a function.
Now that's changing.
Okay.
I do have men clients, but Ialways say most of I I have had
a few that have come directly tome, uh, but the vast majority of
men that clients that I workwith have come to me through
what I call a significant woman.
(45:16):
Okay, so it's either a wife, agirlfriend, a mother, a sister.
Um, sometimes I've had uhthrough female work colleagues,
um, that's the people that Ideal with.
Um but and I deal with alldifferent kinds of things.
Like I deal with people onpersonal issues, on um spiritual
issues, on uh business.
(45:37):
I have a lot of people that cometo me looking for uh business
because I deal with energy.
I always say that I help peoplemake their lives work, um, and
I'm really focused on helpingpeople to to get clarity and
direction and to find out, helpthem to find their path and
(45:59):
their mission, whatever thathappens to be, and healing.
That's the other huge part of mypurpose.
Um, even with my mediumshipwork, when I'm I'm helping
people to to gain access totheir loved ones and messages
from their loved ones on theother side.
Um I'm not an evidentiarymedium.
(46:20):
I don't, you know, you see allthese people on TV and stuff and
they're spouting a bunch ofstuff and blah blah blah.
And I'm not saying there'sanything wrong with that, but
usually their major objective isto prove to people that there's
life after death.
Okay?
I don't care if you believe itor not.
I really don't.
I'm not here to prove anythingto anyone because my my
(46:44):
commitment to both the others onthe on the uh see I have two
commitments, one to the peopleon the other side and one to the
living.
And that commitment is to to umallow the people on the other
side to connect with their lovedones and and give them messages
of healing.
Okay.
(47:16):
There's so many things aroundpassing, um that or even just
damaged relationships when we'rehere.
I've seen so many of thosehealed from the other side.
It's always b I always say this,it's always best if you can heal
your like you were describingabout your father.
It's always best if we can healthem with that person while
(47:37):
they're alive.
But if we don't get thatopportunity, then it's just as
powerful to heal it from theother side.
You know, it's really all abouthealing.
So, in terms of my mediumship,that's that's the uh mediumship
now is pro my mediumship groups.
I always do I have somebody hostit in their home and they invite
(48:01):
their you know their friends,their family, their colleagues,
uh either separately or mixed,it doesn't really matter.
Um, but that work I've I've justbeen really guided.
Some people do it on on here.
I uh I've been told by myguides, nope, mediumship work
has to be done in person.
Um so that's what I do.
(48:22):
But I've actually most of my uhspiritual counseling session,
well now all of my spiritualcounseling sessions and my uh
intuitive coaching is all doneon on online on Zoom.
And you know what?
It's really interesting becauseI used to do some of it uh in
person, and I found the theconnection is actually stronger
(48:45):
on um on this than it is, and Iknow what the reason is because
I asked, of course, and Ifigured it out myself, and then
I asked and I got confirmation.
It's because I'm in my ownenergy, I can control the energy
I'm in.
Okay, you can control my space,and then the people are relaxed
(49:06):
and they're in their own space,so they feel more relaxed, and
we can both control uminterruptions, but if you're out
in some kind of a public space,um there's interruptions, you
can't control the energy.
Uh, it's not that I can't do itbecause I did it for years.
I just prefer to do it like thisbecause the connection is even
(49:29):
deeper, and a lot of people, youknow, there's still people who
say, now, now, now I want to doit in person, it's not the same,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And that's totally untrue.
It's actually better onlinebecause I've done both, and it
the connection is actuallybetter.
SPEAKER_02 (49:47):
That's awesome.
I was curious about that.
I was like, how does this work?
SPEAKER_01 (49:51):
You know, you know, I explain it.
I explain it's just likedistance healing.
unknown (49:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (49:56):
Because it's all about the energy.
Okay, you do not have to be inthe same room with somebody, and
for all the reasons I've alreadysaid, it actually works better.
And and the wonderful thingabout this is I have clients all
over the world.
Okay.
If I could only do this inperson, I would be restricted to
(50:16):
my very, very small um, youknow, local area.
SPEAKER_04 (50:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (50:24):
Um, but I just love working with people from around
the world.
It's just amazing.
SPEAKER_02 (50:29):
Well, that's awesome.
So, I mean, it it my obviousfollow-up question.
If I wanted to work with you oranybody listening, how do we
find you?
SPEAKER_01 (50:40):
Well, the easiest way to find me is I'm all over
social media, especiallyFacebook.
Um, you can go to my website,which is I know you're gonna
list all these lovely things inyour notes, um, which is just
www.uhspirit speaks to thenumber two.me.
And um or you can reach medirectly by um if you're looking
(51:05):
for to set up a session or forsome more information, you can
just email me at lauremorwig atuh gmail.com.
SPEAKER_02 (51:14):
Awesome.
It was so amazing to have youon, Laura.
I was so excited about thisinterview, and I did feel quite
a few uh interactions as we werespeaking, some energy being um
you know passed between us bothand hopefully on to whoever
listens when this releasessometime early next year, or
(51:39):
possibly even end of this year.
We'll we'll determine that.
And that's I would prefer.
SPEAKER_01 (51:46):
I'm gonna give you a real reason.
Okay, because my when I I'veonly been doing this podcasting,
guesting thing for oh this thislast year, and my guides, for
whatever reason, I think it'sobviously for energetic reasons,
um, they always say um try tomake sure that it comes out as
(52:06):
close as possible to when youdid it.
Okay.
Because they channel the energyfor this particular time.
So if it's like you know, four,five, six months from now, the
energy shifted, especially rightnow.
My god, if it's a month fromnow, it's gonna be different.
SPEAKER_02 (52:26):
Yeah, that was you know, interestingly enough that
you say that.
I was thinking, who is next onthe podcast from the list I had
already interviewed?
Because I've done over 115interviews, and now I am like
looking at releasing twointerviews starting next year.
(52:48):
So starting next year, it'sMonday and Thursday release.
Right now it's only Thursdayrelease.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Okay, two weeks during the week.
Yeah, and that's been somethingthat I've been prompted to do
because I'm doing so many ofthese interviews, right?
So if I were to wait until nextyear, it would release like
(53:08):
later part of next year.
And who knows, like you said,energetically shifted.
SPEAKER_01 (53:14):
Oh, totally.
I I tell you, the energy rightnow is shifting so fast that
from one day to the next, theenergy can be totally different.
And I I people look at me andgo, Oh, come on.
And I'm going, oh.
SPEAKER_02 (53:25):
And the interview I had that released last week was
called Near Death Shift.
She died.
She died, um, it was twointubations during COVID-19, two
intubations, 70 days in thehospital, and she had all these
encounters with people that hadpassed on, with Christ Himself,
(53:48):
the stadium of light.
I mean, it was a very powerfulinterview with Holly Porter.
SPEAKER_01 (53:53):
Well, I just they tweaked me something because I
had complications after COVID,and I had to have uh in 2021, I
had open heart surgery.
Uh-huh.
And if you want to look at ittechnically, because when you
have open heart surgery, theystop your heart and they put you
on heart bypass.
So if you because the mostcommon well, the definition of
(54:17):
death is when your heart stops.
So it felt well, so reallytechnically, um, like they were
pumping oxygen, of course, inand out of my body, but my heart
wasn't pumping.
There was a machine pumping.
So my heart was not working.
It was stopped.
(54:37):
So I had I've oxy I've neverthought of it that way, but I
just thought of it that way, andI went, wow, like I've nearly
I've been killed so many times,it's just unbelievable.
SPEAKER_02 (54:49):
Yeah, yeah.
So it wouldn't matter to do itin December, because I think in
December we're closing out thethe year, you know, and it's
Well, and I'm just gonna putthis this bug in your brain
because they're putting it inmind.
SPEAKER_01 (55:04):
Um I would love to do, and I don't say this to
everybody, uh, but I would loveto do uh a Laura 2.0 with you
next year.
Oh sure.
Because we have they're sayingwe have some other things that
we need to talk about.
SPEAKER_02 (55:20):
That's funny.
I'm sure God's gonna talk to meabout this tomorrow.
As long as he doesn't as long ashe doesn't wake me up at three
again like he did today.
I was like, really?
We've talked about this, man.
I know that you're up there andthe time is like nothing for
y'all.
But I we need our sleep.
(55:41):
I need I need sleep, and I havean 11-year-old counting on me.
Please stop doing this.
And I'm also in pyramidopause.
Please have, please have pity onme.
My goodness.
I have pity on you.
So, anyway, I so enjoyed yourlights, Laura.
It is wonderful to be in thesame light as you.
(56:01):
So the listeners have releasedthat reveal purpose.
Remember, Matthew 5.14, to bethe light, be this beautiful
light, step into it withconfidence.
You were created for a verydivine purpose.
You are fearfully andwonderfully made, and this world
needs you.
Have a wonderful week.
SPEAKER_03 (56:19):
Stay safe.
Love y'all.
SPEAKER_00 (56:21):
Bye now.
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Welcome to Released Out ReviewPurpose.
SPEAKER_02 (00:35):
And today is Laura Horwick, all the way from
Canada.
Yet another Canadian interview.
They're everywhere.
They have so much to say.
And when I read her story, I wasso intrigued.
She said that her path startedat age 11 when she sought out
God and the Angels.
And that right away got myattention.
(00:57):
Because as a woman of faith, assomeone who's received miracles
in 72 hours, that is a topicthat I love talking about.
But she's not only someone thatstarted very young, she's
followed that path intuitively.
Now when you when you're in anintuitive like Laura, you allow
(01:19):
life to flow through you toguide others.
You don't look at answersoutside of yourself, you look
within, and you allow it to flowfrom within, and that is very,
very powerful.
And that's why I was sointrigued to have her on the
podcast because she's someonethat channels.
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I remember the first time thatsomeone explained what was
channeling, it actually freakedme out.
And but they said, you know, soyou just stay open because you
have the gift of prophecy, andso you've got to stay open to
that gift because you havethings to share from somewhere
else, from beyond yourself, andso the channeling is to just
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allow and stay open, and that'swhat Laura does best.
So without further ado, Laura,thank you so much for joining us
on Released Out Review Purpose.
SPEAKER_01 (02:15):
Oh, thank you for inviting me.
SPEAKER_02 (02:17):
It's a pleasure to finally meet you.
I saw your face, the light inyour eyes and your picture, and
I and then when I met you rightnow, I was like, oh my goodness,
that is her.
She you look like there's lightcoming from you.
SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
Oh, I love that.
Better than the opposite.
Yes, way better than theopposite is well, you know, and
we we come at very I I'm justgonna kind of set the I've been
told to set the scene here.
We come to very similar ideasand and basis, but we come at it
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from different avenues.
Because you're very much in yourfaith and and you you're you're
quite religious, whereas I'm notI have had my religious times,
but I was not brought up inreligion.
I was not brought up in religionat all, and that sparked what
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you had asked me about thatwhole journey when I was eleven,
because I wasn't brought up in afaith-based family.
And all of a sudden when I wasaround ten or eleven, I decided
that I needed to know where Godand the angels were, and just
because sort of in ourJudeo-Christian culture, um,
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everybody said, Well, you know,if you want to know God and
angels, you have to go tochurch.
So I would I certainly wasn'tgonna go to I know, I know, but
I certainly wasn't gonna betaken to church by my family,
okay, because as I said, theyweren't church-going people.
So I decided I was lucky enoughto live in a neighborhood where
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there was oh at least five orsix churches of all different
denominations within walkingdistance of my home.
So every Sunday for five or sixSundays, I got all because I'm
gonna date myself, but back inthe day, okay, you had to get
dressed up for church.
That was the thing, right?
You had to Sunday best and allthat thing.
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So I put on a skirt andeverything, which at that age
you would never catch me inotherwise, uh, because I was a
bit of a tomboy.
But my my little patent leather,strappy shoes, and all that, and
off I went.
So the the reader's digestversion is I met a lot of really
nice people.
I met some not very nice people,and I discovered that God and
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the angels, even though therewas a lot of lovely things, a
lot of lovely ceremony, a lot oflovely music, and as I said, I
met some wonderful people.
God and the angels were notthere.
That's not where they werethere, at least not for me.
Um, I'm sure there are somepeople who that's where they
connect.
Um, so then uh what happened wasI would got into at that age,
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well, I had been a guide, uhokay.
I I'll I'll Americanize it foryou.
I'd been a Girl Scout, a gaygirl guide.
I'd been a brownie and a girlguide, and actually I went into
the Rangers after when I wasolder.
But um, so I was got into a lotof camping and hiking and canoe
tripping and all these wonderfulthings out in the wilderness.
And to be perfectly honest,that's where I discovered my
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connection.
My connection to God, to spirit,to the angels, to the earth,
whatever, whatever way theuniverse, you know, I don't care
what language and labels you puton it, it to me it's all the
same thing.
Okay, it's the energy of loveand the energy of connection.
And that's where I discovered mytrue connection was in the
wilderness.
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And that connection to thebeauty of the wilderness, the
the freedom, the energy is somuch different.
Now I'm talking aboutwilderness, I'm not talking
about you know walking around inyour neighborhood park.
Um, now that that's better thannothing, but if you want to get
to the level of the energy thatI'm talking about, you really
have to find um true wilderness.
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And I think that's why so manypeople get hooked on being out
in the wilderness because it'sthat energy.
Whether they understand that ornot, that's what it is.
SPEAKER_03 (06:16):
I wanted to I cannot disagree with you.
SPEAKER_02 (06:21):
In nature is where I connected with them in 2020.
unknown (06:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (06:26):
Uh I connect with God everywhere, it's not in the
church.
Although I go to church now, Idid not go to church for many
years.
And I didn't grow up going tochurch because my parent, my
father, was a doctor and wasalways on call.
And as a family, we never wentto church.
They send us to Catholicschools, but as you know, and
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more Catholics will tell you,they don't teach you how to have
a relationship with him, theyteach you about their religion.
You see the precept there doingdishes, like my husband says,
you know, washing dishes, doingdishes, but you don't really get
to know him.
And what he's seeking from allof us, at least that's what he's
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explained to me, isrelationship.
The way I came to it was aftermy when I first married very
young at 23, I married a man 12years my senior, and he used to
go to the Catholic church, andwe started going, but I he would
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be a completely different personwhen we were at church, and then
the minute he stepped out, hewas like Jekyll and high.
And I experienced people in sucha negative way in that church
that I decided to turn away fromGod for many years.
Not that I was angry at him, Ijust associated the hypocrisy
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that I felt in others with GodHimself, and that wasn't the
case.
God is not a hypocrite, He istotally opposite of that.
Now I know that, but in thoseyears I didn't.
And it wasn't until my firsthusband asked for a divorce
through major change and throughthe darkest of times that I felt
the pull in my soul and said,You need you need to get to know
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me again.
We need to talk.
And I've always written eversince I was a little girl, and
so I just started writing in myjournal.
And the more I wrote, the morehe would reveal himself to me.
And that's how I started todownload some of these things.
Um, and then came my threemiracle story that I've shared
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on the podcast multiple timesthat I was facing an 80% chance
of dying.
The doctors were very confidentI was not going to survive the
night.
And the weekend, justinterestingly enough, was Easter
weekend when I received mysecond chance at life.
I find that so interesting.
The timing.
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The timing of it is very, verymuch.
SPEAKER_01 (09:06):
You know, I love this because it what this
illustrates, which I I have a viI'm also very steeped in in
multiple religious what should Isay, um, learning.
Uh a lot of Eastern learning isand well, and there and you
know, the the phrase that alwaysgot me was there was many many
paths to the top of themountain, and everyone has to
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find their own path.
And I don't really, you know, Ihonor everyone's path, I don't
care what it is, because I knowsome people too are who are
devoutly religious, um, butagain, it's uh as you said, it's
not so much the church, it'stheir deep relationship uh with
their faith and with God.
(09:48):
Uh they're they're you know,everybody has their own and you
know, we I guess I've been doingthis for so many years.
I'll be sitting with two peopleand they'll be arguing back and
forth and back and forth andback and forth about spiritual
things and religious things.
And I I just sit there and Istop them lots of times.
(10:09):
I said, Do you realize thatyou're both saying exactly the
same things?
You're just using differentverbiage.
So I I try not to let myverbiage or other people's
verbiage, very verbiageverbiage, get in the way.
Because you know, I think that'sone of the problems in this
world right now is that so manypeople are saying the same and
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believe the same things.
Um, they just are expressingthem in different ways, and
people are going to war, they'rekilling people, they're you
know, um disassociating withpeople, hating people, um, and
they don't even reallyunderstand that everybody's
really saying the same thing,they're just saying it
differently.
SPEAKER_02 (10:52):
Yeah, and I've actually encountered so many
people that have said, Oh, doyou mind if I say the word
universe?
I said, No.
So, because long ago, God cameto me long, long ago, and said,
Baby girl, I need you to go getmy law sheet for me.
And I'm like, what do you mean?
SPEAKER_03 (11:11):
And he said, I need the people that are looking for
me.
I need you to find them, I needyou to meet them where they're
at, and in a gentle and kind waybring them back to me.
SPEAKER_02 (11:24):
And that to me meant I gotta meet them where they're
at.
That means I need to understandhow it is where they're at, how
they're seeking him.
And if they're saying universe,then I gently say God.
You know, I don't push it onthem, I don't, I simply talk
about my testimony and him insuch a way that I've heard from
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other people is very attractiveto them because I I allow, I
don't push scripture down, I usescripture to elevate and to
empower, and just to say, thisis this is how I've experienced
him, this is how he's shown upfor me.
How has he shown up for you?
And then they'll say, Oh, he's ashe.
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I'm like, that's wonderful,that's wonderful that he shows
up.
I needed a dad, though.
I had a really um yeah, angryrelationship with my earthly
father for a long time.
I needed a father, I was seekingone.
So for me, he's always shown upas a dad, as a male figure, as
an energy, and he did showhimself fully in the ICU when I
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was praying for a miracle.
I felt his love, I feltincradling me.
I a peace washed over me thatwas beyond this world, a love
beyond this world.
It was so accepting and it wasso bright and loving.
It was a love I didn't want to,I didn't want to leave his
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presence.
It was so beautiful.
SPEAKER_01 (12:58):
This sounds so from this sounds very much like the
out-of-body experience I hadwhen I was 15.
SPEAKER_03 (13:04):
Oh, do tell me about that.
I want to know about that.
SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
Um, yeah, because it's it has it has elements that
are very close to a near-deathexperience, except it's
different.
Okay.
Okay.
So again, as I told you, youwere continuing the story.
I really got into um hiking andcanoe tripping and all that kind
of thing and rock climbing.
And I was at a I was working ata canoe camp, and we which we
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also did rock climbing, and wewere out rock climbing and
repelling.
We were on the top of a hugecliff and in the middle of a
massive um wilderness park inOntario, which is like a state
park for you guys.
And it I was looking off thiscliff, and all she could see was
the beauty of nature.
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There was rocks and lakes andrivers and trees, and you
couldn't see anything human formiles and miles and miles and
miles, okay?
And it was so stunninglybeautiful.
I think that's what triggeredthis experience.
And what happened?
And I was just standing there,and all of a sudden, you know,
just taking in this all this aweand beauty in front of me, and I
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just boom, I popped out of mybody, and all of a sudden I
realized that I was in the sky,and I was looking down at my own
body, and I was looking down atmy compadres sitting on this
cliff, right?
And I'm like, what is going on?
But I was like not fearful inany way, it was very much the
same description.
I felt held, I felt warm, I feltsafe, I felt bigger though.
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I felt I still felt like me, butI felt like part of everything
at the same time, okay, whichwas a really incredible
experience.
So you have to remember, I wasonly like 15, right?
And then all of a sudden, whooshagain.
And all of a sudden I lookaround and I'm above the earth,
and I'm gonna really date myselfhere because when I was young
was the time when they werehaving the first moon landings.
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And I remember hearing theastronaut, because that was the
first time that anybody saw theearth from outside of the earth
was when they did the um thewhole space program, right?
And I remember hearing them talkabout it and thinking, wow, that
would be something great to see.
And that's exactly what Iexperienced.
I was like, wow, I can see thewhole earth below me, and it's
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turning, I can see all theclouds and the land and
everything.
And I'm like, wow, like this isand again, the same uh thing.
I felt totally safe.
I was just in this sense of aweand wonder and safety, and I
felt part of everything, yet Istill felt like myself.
And I thought, wow, I can't getany better than this, right?
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And and just literally, as Ithought that, whoosh again, and
all of a sudden I was out in themiddle of the universe.
And how I knew I was in themiddle of the universe is there
was all these spiral galaxiesaround me, and I went, oh,
there's our there's the MilkyWay, and Earth's right about
there in that arm of thatgalaxy, right?
And I'm like, What and I just Ijust started thinking, okay,
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this is this is pretty wild.
What could possibly happen next?
Like, where could I possibly begoing next?
And just as I thought that, uh,it's like in Star Trek when that
giant hand comes out and grabsyou, it's like this giant hand
came, grab me, and pulled mesuddenly, like so quickly, back
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into my body.
And I always use thisexpression, it was because like
my energy, my soul was soexpanded that it felt like
trying to take a basketball andstuffing it into a Coke bottle,
okay?
Because it was like I wouldn'teven fit back in my own body,
and it took three or four daysfor me to acclimatize to being
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back into my body.
It was a really bizarre feeling.
But what actually happened,okay, in in 3D life, was one of
the instructors, the climbinginstructors, he grabbed the back
of my pants because he wasworried that I was too close to
the edge of the cliff, and he'dliterally yank me back by the
back of my pants.
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And that's what brought me backinto my body.
Wow, I'm telling you, thisseemed like this experience went
on for several hours, okay?
But I could tell that in intime, in Earth time, it was
probably seconds.
Like it was probably literallyseconds, maybe a minute.
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Okay.
But I could tell becauseeverything was exactly the same
as I had left.
It was it was quite bizarre.
So this whole experience changedeverything, okay.
Number one, it told me that wewere more than a body, because
obviously I was still me, and Iwas out of my body, and so there
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we must be something differentthan just what's in this body.
Um, two, it told me that therewas not really any such thing as
death, because of course I wasoutside of my body and I wasn't
dead.
SPEAKER_04 (18:06):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (18:07):
Okay.
And so it just changed the way Ilooked at everything, and it
changed the way um I looked atwhat was possible and what was
not possible.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (18:18):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (18:19):
Yeah.
So that was at 15, okay.
But I always say, like, thespiritual journey is like this,
okay?
Everybody thinks it's a straightline, it's not, okay?
It it's a wave.
There's peaks and troughs andeverything.
So we just talked about twopeaks in my journeys, and then
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of course, you know, I went onmy own thing for a while.
And of course, the crazy 20scame along, and I I wasn't
typically that spiritual when Iwas in my twenties, although it
was still the basis was stillthere.
Um, and then I got back into itand into my into my 30s and 40s,
and and sort of just carried onfrom there.
But yeah, so that was anotherexperience.
SPEAKER_02 (19:02):
So what ended up happening in 30s and 40s?
I'm curious now.
You said you got back into it.
What got you back into it?
What was that moment for you?
SPEAKER_01 (19:14):
I don't know.
There was a huge shift around35.
Okay, in 35, we should talkabout this because I've been
shown how significant the age 35is.
Okay, I'll I'll give you I'llgive you the quickie version of
this.
I discovered this through mychanneling and through my
mediumship work, and I actuallydiscovered it, but my guides, my
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angels, made me figure it out onmy own, and then I said, Oh,
this is what it is, and theysaid, Yeah, you're right.
This is what happens all thetime.
Okay.
A lot of times I will ask foranswers and they'll say, figure
it out, which really pisses meoff.
Because I get all kinds ofinformation for other people,
but a lot of times if I want toknow something, they'll they
want me to figure it out firstor at least partially uh before
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uh they will actually talk to.
Me about it.
But the thing about 35 isbelieve it or not, universe,
God, the angels, again, I don'tcare what you want to use,
doesn't really consider us to bemature adults until we're 35.
Okay.
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So this is one of the reasons Iyou know I I've said recently, I
don't believe that anybodyshould be having a child until
after they're 35, or at least 35around that.
Because for so many hundreds ofyears, we have been children
raising children.
Okay?
And you want to know why there'sso many problems in the world?
That's the basis of it, okay?
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Because we've had childrenraising children instead of
adults raising children.
Okay.
So, where was I going with this?
SPEAKER_03 (20:47):
That what was the turn point for me?
Like, why would we let you backin?
SPEAKER_01 (20:51):
Yeah, it was that it was kind of the switch in that
energy, and then I startedreading again, and I actually
came into spirituality in a bigway because of science.
This is when science startedtalking about spirituality and
and and religion.
And actually, one of the booksthat's really funny that really
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started to bring me in was thebook called by uh Gary Zukoff
called Sea of the Soul.
And he was a he was a physicist,and now even more so, with all
the quantum physics andeverything going on, um, they
are actually provingscientifically so many of the
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long-hilt spiritual beliefs,which they which science
poo-pooed for so long, right?
And I'm just like, yes.
And what people don't know whothey haven't studied ancient
religions and ancient beliefs,uh, in the beginning, in the
beginning, um, science andspirituality were the same
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thing.
Okay?
It was split when big timeorganized religion came on the
scene because it was a powerplay.
Okay, they wanted to, you know,they wa it it's all about
control.
We could go on that for a wholeshow.
We're not gonna go I'm not gonnago down that road today.
unknown (22:15):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (22:16):
Because it really doesn't matter.
Uh, because that's what it was,and that's history, and that's
how we got here.
Everything is a step to where weare.
And we're taking some prettypretty big steps over the next
few years, so it's gonna getinteresting.
SPEAKER_03 (22:34):
Oh, do tell.
Do tell what do you think ishappening?
SPEAKER_01 (22:38):
Well, this is the most radical, most rapid change
um to humanity that's everhappened.
unknown (22:50):
Ever.
SPEAKER_01 (22:51):
And we are there's more people awakening and
awakening than ever before.
Like people that I thought wouldnever the kind of people that I
thought would never awaken in amillion years, all of a sudden
they're waking up.
And when I say waking up, I meansome of the things that we
talked about earlier before wecame on the recording, was about
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that connection, knowing, havinga real personal connection to
whatever it is.
Again, whatever you want to callit, faith, spirituality, your
knowingness of the universe,whatever that is, that's what
we're talking about.
Okay, that that everythingemanates from inside, not
outside.
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Okay, and and people often askme how to connect to spirit, and
I see people reaching up tospirit, and I say, you can't do
that because you have to go inand then up.
That's the key.
Okay, and so many people havebeen taught through different
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religions that it's all aboutreaching up to God or reaching
up to the angels or reaching upto spirit, I don't care what
particular you know, religionyou're talking about, but it
they they've lost thatconnection because that root
connection is through you.
You have to be connected, andthe thing it's the same thing if
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you want to find love, okay?
You have to find love withinyourself before you're gonna be
able to find love with somebodyelse.
Absolutely that you know, thatis the big thing, and um because
there's tons of you know, I usethis word religiosity because
like you talking about church,that's what it actually I went
(24:38):
through a very churchy kind of Iwent through the when I was
young, actually, I think it wassomewhere in my thirties.
Um yes, it was in my earlythirties.
I went through this born-againChristian thing.
And I just went no.
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Just it just because I I raninto a lot of what you were
talking about in terms of peopleacted one way in in church
because people thought that theyhad to act that way and they
wanted to show that face toother people, other Christians,
and then they came out of churchand they were oh my god, some of
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the most hideous people.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm nottalking about everybody, but a
certain a certain segment ofthat, and I just thought this is
the hypocrisy of this wholething is just unbelievable,
which I couldn't stand.
SPEAKER_02 (25:33):
So that see, and and for me, it I want to touch base
on one thing you said becausethe Holy Spirit was wanting to
say one thing here.
The whole love yourself beforeyou can love another is very
real.
If you look at his word, itsays, Love me first, and then
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love others as you loveyourself.
It's the same concept.
The love is what transforms thisrelationship.
It's not the building.
If you walk into any building,you can find God anywhere.
SPEAKER_01 (26:09):
It's not who's standing up at the poltergeist,
he's everywhere.
Everywhere.
SPEAKER_02 (26:14):
He's in you, he's in me, this is what connects us,
we're interconnected.
SPEAKER_01 (26:19):
Well, this is why nature to me is so important
because uh you know, the energy,the universal energy, the Christ
consciousness, whatever you wantto call it, the Holy Spirit,
whatever, is so in naturebecause it's unspoiled, because
nature is not like people,people can't cur because people
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corrupt energy, and and youknow, my belief on negative
things is all about I don'tbelieve that God generates
negative things, I believe thatwe generate that energy.
Oh, yeah, because I talk aboutevery because see, this is why I
love science, because nowscience has finally come you
know full circle, and it's likeeverything's energy,
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everything's energy.
So I talk a lot of times interms of energetics because
everything is energy, and whatis that energy when you come
right down to it, and this iswhat they're finding out now,
too, is it's the energy of love.
And if you wanted me to defineGod, um, I would say God is the
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energy of love.
SPEAKER_03 (27:24):
Yes, very much so.
SPEAKER_02 (27:26):
That that is something I you felt it, I felt
it in both experiences the outerbody, in-body.
However, it just felt like forme, what it felt like, it was
like a bubble, like being in abubble, like very protected.
It's happened to me severaltimes in my life, but that one
was very pronounced because Iwas in the ICU and we were
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praying the Lord's Prayer, andwe were in a circle, and it was
so powerful because the momentthat the lady from the church
left the room, the ICU, myboyfriend, who then ended up
being my husband, turned to meand said, You felt them too,
didn't you?
He came to him too, he madehimself known to him, and he
felt the same peace that watchedover me and the radiance that
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was in my eye, my face, thenurses that saw me moments
later, because they were aboutto wool me into radiology to see
what had happened with thetherapy they had given me.
And if that hadn't worked, thenwhatever they were gonna put me
on next was likely gonna kill mein surgery, right?
And so it was a really I reallyneeded the miracle, and he and
(28:36):
he granted it.
It was and she said, So yeah,your face was luminous, but it
felt like a bubble, it was likewe were in a bubble, in a
protective bubble, like nothing.
SPEAKER_01 (28:47):
Okay, I'm you want an angel story?
I just got prompted to I have somany stories.
I just got prompted to tell youthe angel story because I
haven't I don't think I've donethis publicly too many times.
Okay.
Do so.
When I was in my twenties, thisis my spiritual experience in my
when I was in my crazyrebellious twenties, I was
living in um Alberta, which is aprairie province, like you know,
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um it's like being in Montana orsomething.
Okay.
You know, it I'm just giving youa reference, right?
And um again, I'm gonna datemyself.
It was just as they brought inthe new seatbelt laws, okay?
Because before that, you therewas no law saying that you had
to wear your seatbelt.
So of course I'm in my 20s andthen I'm rebellious.
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I'm like, there's no way I'mwearing a seatbelt.
You know, it's too confining, itcrushes my clothes, you know.
Uh oh, I'm not wearing it.
I'm just not not stubborn Lauracame out.
I just I'm not.
So then I'm driving to work andI get stopped by a police
officer.
(29:55):
And I'm well, here comes, andhe's standing there writing, and
it was a huge ticket.
I think in it was like$300 orsomething, and that was a long
time ago.
Like that was in the 80s.
Uh, it was a really heavy dutyfine because they really wanted
to get people to wear theirseatbelts.
So let's just say it was threeor four hundred dollars.
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It was a big fine, okay.
And what was weird about it isusually, commonly, police
officers don't give youlectures.
They give you the ticket, theytell you what, they want to get
out of there as quick as theycan, okay?
So this guy proceeds to give me,I'm not kidding you, a 10 or 15
minute lecture, like he was mydad, okay?
(30:39):
And all the things that couldhappen to me, and I was such a
beautiful young woman, and whywould I waste my life?
You know, da da da da da.
Okay?
And I thought this was reallyweird, and I just wanted to get
the H out of there and get towork.
Because this guy, this cock wasmaking me late.
Not only was he giving me anenormous ticket, but he was
(31:00):
gonna make me late for work.
So, anyway, I I decided, well,this is ridiculous, Laura.
I don't want to spend this moneyon tickets, so I decided I I
gave in.
I surrendered and I put myseatbelt on and I started
wearing my seatbelt.
Well, not even probably a day,maybe two days went by, and from
(31:22):
my work there was a big hill,like a huge hill that you had to
come down into the river valley.
At the bottom of that hill was across street.
There was no lights, there wasno stop sign, there was only a
yield sign.
So yes, so people used to blowthrough that yield sign all the
(31:42):
time.
So as I was coming down thehill, you always slowed down
because you just never knew whowas gonna blow through that
right that yield sign right infront of you.
So I saw another car coming andshe stopped.
She yielded, and I went, okay,she's treating it like a stop
sign.
So I put my foot back on thegas.
(32:03):
So this is where you gotta useyour scientific brain.
So I am now accelerating, notonly with the heel, but I
actually have my foot back onthe gas.
So I'm literally almost to thecorner, and this silly girl
decides now is the time she'sgonna drive right across in
front of me.
Okay.
So I T-boned her, thankfully, onthe passenger side, okay,
(32:27):
because she probably would havebeen dead if she'd been if she'd
been going in the otherdirection.
And uh if you know aboutphysics, hitting her broadside
like that and accelerate, it waslike accelerating into the wall,
okay?
If you know your physics, I Imight as well have been driving
into a wall.
So basically, the engine andeverything basically ended up
(32:49):
pretty much in my lap.
I had my my one of my knees wentright through the dashboard.
I was mangled, okay.
And she got out of her car, shedidn't have a scratch on her.
She totally totaled both cars,okay?
That was back in the day.
That it they didn't just totalcars for a couple hundred
dollars damage, like they youknow, bent fenders like they do
(33:11):
today.
These two cars were totallywritten off.
And the policeman arrived, andthey're extricating.
They this is how serious theaccident was.
They took me out on a backboardwith a full collar, the whole
nine yards.
So I get to the hospital and thepolice officer comes because he
(33:31):
had grabbed my purse and allthis stuff out of my car, and he
looks down at me because myhead's still taped to a
backboard.
It's the worst feeling you'veever.
Because you can the only thingyou can see is straight above
you, it's horrible.
And he he just looked at me, hegoes, You're really lucky, young
lady.
He said, if you hadn't beenwearing your seatbelt, he said,
You would have been dead.
(33:51):
He said, We would have beenscraping you off the tarmac
because you would have goneright through your windshield,
right over the other car andlanded on the roadway.
And I'm like, Oh shit.
And this is literally two daysafter, okay?
So I'm waiting to get in to geta CT, and I said, I told him
(34:12):
about this other police officergiving me the ticket two days
before.
And he's giving me, he's gotthis weird look on his face, and
he goes, Well what did this guylook like?
And I described this man.
He was very um he was very, hewas not the guy next door.
He was actually quite tall, he'svery handsome and he had a
(34:34):
certain air about him, like hewas somebody that you would
notice, okay?
He didn't kind of blend into thebackground.
And the guy's looking at him, hegoes, I don't know.
He said, you know, I've been inI've worked for this precinct
for almost twenty years.
And he said, There's nobody likethat here in my precinct.
He said, There's nobody intraffic that looks at anything
(34:56):
like that that would have givenyou a ticket.
And I said, Well, he could havebeen from, you know, some other
uh and and he goes, No.
He said he wouldn't have beengiving you a ticket then because
he would have been out of hisprecinct.
And I just went, Oh my god.
I my uh my Spidey sentence went,Angel, Angel, Angel, Angel.
SPEAKER_03 (35:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (35:18):
Somebody Angel maybe somebody that passed on through
a body.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (35:26):
I I know I I definitely and I definitely and
actually I'll go even further.
Um, I believe it was ArchangelMichael, actually.
Archangel Archangel Michael isone of cause I'm like a warrior
angel.
SPEAKER_04 (35:43):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01 (35:45):
And I I have always known for a very long time that
I've been from the family of umMichael.
And um he was like Michael.
Like I he I told you he was areally sharp looking man.
And like he was really tall.
Like I mean really tall.
Because I'm 5'8, so when I saysomebody's really tall, they're
(36:05):
really tall.
Like he was at least, and I wassitting in my car.
SPEAKER_05 (36:08):
Like really six.
SPEAKER_01 (36:11):
Yeah, he's probably six five at least.
You know, he was like reallysuper tall because he just
towered, like he literally hadto bend himself in two in order
to talk to me and through thewindow and get my license and
stuff like that.
It was wild.
And I tell you, uh, ArchangelMichael has appeared to me
(36:31):
several times during my life.
I I can't tell you how manytimes I've nearly died.
Um, and a couple of times he'skind of shown up in his real
size, and I'm talking 35 feetkind of thing, and it's really
wild.
SPEAKER_02 (36:51):
It is wild.
You know, there is a blowout.
It's not Imagine Heaven,although Imagine Heaven tracked
the near-death experiences, butthey talked about angels, and
there was an atheist in the bookthat that followed Imagine
Heaven for John Burke, a NewYork Times bestselling author.
(37:12):
And interestingly enough, he isthe founding pastor of the
church I attend to, which isreally interesting.
It's really really interesting.
Well, the latest book that hewrote, there was an atheist that
had had a near-death experiencethat they tracked.
They did a scientific study,they they followed these people
(37:32):
for like 25 years, and they werepicking up, like they got their
testimonies.
Well, the atheist was brought toheaven with two angels guarding
him, and he said the angels weresuper tall.
I mean, like they're huge,they're like nothing what you
(37:54):
imagine them to be.
And the reason why they wereblocking him was because there
was a demon following them, andthey were blocking him from
being able to lock eyes with thedemon.
And when he they said that whenthey parted and he saw took a
look at the demon's eyes, it wasjust pure hatred coming out, and
(38:16):
it terrified him.
But he made it up and he had asemi-review with Christ himself
that showed him his hands andhis and his feet because he was
an atheist, right?
And said, This is who you'respeaking to, but everything is
via thoughts, like you weretalking earlier.
You would think it, andimmediately something happens.
(38:37):
It's like that's you how youspeak in heaven.
All other people said it in thebook.
That's that was one of thecharacteristics that everything
is via thought.
The angels are huge, the colorsare so vibrant, like colors that
you'll never see here on earth.
And the love.
SPEAKER_01 (38:54):
Yeah, I was taken by time.
This was in a this was in a umin a dream state, but it wasn't
a dream, okay.
No, no, no, I was I was taken toit was at night time when I was
asleep.
Let me put it that way.
It was in and anotherout-of-body, uh like an astro
traveling uh they I guess peoplemost people call like astro
(39:17):
traveling, but again, I wastaken by Archangel Michael and
another angel.
That's a whole nother story, um,to a healing temple in heaven.
And it was crystal, the wholething was crystal, um, and it
was all made of crystal, and itwas so I can't even describe how
bright it was to you.
(39:38):
Like if I if you'd been in yourphysical body, I could not have
looked at this because it was sopiercingly bright, like
something you can't and brightin the sense that there's like
that kaleidoscope of colors.
Like if you look at a prism or aor a clear quartz crystal and
all the colors are are vibratingoff of it.
(40:00):
That's what it was like.
So it's pretty wild.
SPEAKER_02 (40:02):
Yeah, they they all mentioned that.
That the light is so brilliantthat if you were doing it on
earth, it would it would justblind you.
It's like you can see back.
And that he's the energy.
Like he's an entity of energythat comes near you know it's
him.
Like everybody knows it's him.
And that the love is like nolove here on earth, which is
(40:26):
what I felt in that ICU.
It was so accepting, peaceful,so loving, so everything.
That's how I experienced them,but that's how a lot of these
people they were following inthis study experienced them
because they came back to telltheir testimony.
SPEAKER_01 (40:45):
Yeah, because we think we have we have actually
most people don't even reallyknow what love is.
People think love is an emotion.
It's not.
Okay, love is an energy.
Okay?
And it's and and it's a dynamicenergy in the sense that it is
love is a verb.
Okay, it's not a noun.
(41:06):
It's it's action.
It's energy and action.
Actually, that oh, I love that.
Energy and action.
That's what I'm doing.
Yeah, I yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (41:17):
Write it down for you so you don't forget.
SPEAKER_01 (41:19):
Energy and action, yeah.
Yeah, because everybody's we'reso much taught that it's an
emotion, and it's not an emotionat all.
SPEAKER_03 (41:29):
It's also a choice that you made.
SPEAKER_01 (41:31):
It's a force.
Um well and and honestly, no,it's not really.
It's not really.
Because see, that's part ofpeople thinking about that it's
an emotion.
It's not a choice.
It's there.
SPEAKER_03 (41:47):
It's whether you allow yourself to receive it or
not.
That's the choice, I think.
Well, and see, I'm gonna beg todiffer here because I am getting
a message.
SPEAKER_02 (42:07):
When Christ came and prayed in the garden before he
got arrested, before he gotbetrayed, he prayed to not have
to go through the flogging andnot have to go through the
crucifixion.
He asked God the Father if therewas any other way.
And yet, but he keptsurrendering to God's will over
(42:28):
and over and over again.
So, in essence, it is also achoice.
Yes, it's an energy.
Yes, you can choose to receiveit or not, or choose to give it
or not.
SPEAKER_01 (42:41):
But in in here, we're we're we're um I can't
can't I can't reach that.
We're we're we're we're lookingat thread instead of the big
picture.
SPEAKER_03 (42:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So now that we're in this space,I was curious about something.
SPEAKER_02 (43:05):
Like, who do you work with exactly?
SPEAKER_03 (43:09):
Because it's not something when you when you talk
about intuition people havedifferent ideas of what that is.
SPEAKER_02 (43:21):
So how how do people come to you?
SPEAKER_01 (43:24):
Like how do they find you I have well P I always
say that most people are led tome, uh all people are led to me
in one one way or another.
Um, but I have all kinds ofpeople.
Like I have probably clients whofrom every every organized
religion you could think of.
(43:46):
I have uh clients who are arewould only uh identify
themselves as spiritual.
Um I've had people come to mewho were who would have
identified themselves as beingatheists or or total non-believ.
I've had like I won't skepticismis one thing and I love skeptics
(44:09):
because actually those are thewhoops let's not shake the
camera.
Um some of the people that areum are the most blown away
because they come in wanting todisprove what I do and then they
they just have such anexperience that they can't.
Um so I always love that.
(44:30):
Uh cynics are another storybecause cynics just don't
believe anything.
SPEAKER_03 (44:35):
Well and they're angry.
SPEAKER_01 (44:36):
They're angry and they're angry and they don't
want to believe.
Like you could I could manifesta rose in my hand and they would
still think it was crap.
You know, it's just like so Ihave people from all walks of
life.
Um mo primarily women.
unknown (44:54):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (44:55):
I do tend to focus on women and women and that's
just a function.
Now that's changing.
Okay.
I do have men clients, but Ialways say most of I I have had
a few that have come directly tome, uh, but the vast majority of
men that clients that I workwith have come to me through
what I call a significant woman.
(45:16):
Okay, so it's either a wife, agirlfriend, a mother, a sister.
Um, sometimes I've had uhthrough female work colleagues,
um, that's the people that Ideal with.
Um but and I deal with alldifferent kinds of things.
Like I deal with people onpersonal issues, on um spiritual
issues, on uh business.
(45:37):
I have a lot of people that cometo me looking for uh business
because I deal with energy.
I always say that I help peoplemake their lives work, um, and
I'm really focused on helpingpeople to to get clarity and
direction and to find out, helpthem to find their path and
(45:59):
their mission, whatever thathappens to be, and healing.
That's the other huge part of mypurpose.
Um, even with my mediumshipwork, when I'm I'm helping
people to to gain access totheir loved ones and messages
from their loved ones on theother side.
Um I'm not an evidentiarymedium.
(46:20):
I don't, you know, you see allthese people on TV and stuff and
they're spouting a bunch ofstuff and blah blah blah.
And I'm not saying there'sanything wrong with that, but
usually their major objective isto prove to people that there's
life after death.
Okay?
I don't care if you believe itor not.
I really don't.
I'm not here to prove anythingto anyone because my my
(46:44):
commitment to both the others onthe on the uh see I have two
commitments, one to the peopleon the other side and one to the
living.
And that commitment is to to umallow the people on the other
side to connect with their lovedones and and give them messages
of healing.
Okay.
(47:16):
There's so many things aroundpassing, um that or even just
damaged relationships when we'rehere.
I've seen so many of thosehealed from the other side.
It's always b I always say this,it's always best if you can heal
your like you were describingabout your father.
It's always best if we can healthem with that person while
(47:37):
they're alive.
But if we don't get thatopportunity, then it's just as
powerful to heal it from theother side.
You know, it's really all abouthealing.
So, in terms of my mediumship,that's that's the uh mediumship
now is pro my mediumship groups.
I always do I have somebody hostit in their home and they invite
(48:01):
their you know their friends,their family, their colleagues,
uh either separately or mixed,it doesn't really matter.
Um, but that work I've I've justbeen really guided.
Some people do it on on here.
I uh I've been told by myguides, nope, mediumship work
has to be done in person.
Um so that's what I do.
(48:22):
But I've actually most of my uhspiritual counseling session,
well now all of my spiritualcounseling sessions and my uh
intuitive coaching is all doneon on online on Zoom.
And you know what?
It's really interesting becauseI used to do some of it uh in
person, and I found the theconnection is actually stronger
(48:45):
on um on this than it is, and Iknow what the reason is because
I asked, of course, and Ifigured it out myself, and then
I asked and I got confirmation.
It's because I'm in my ownenergy, I can control the energy
I'm in.
Okay, you can control my space,and then the people are relaxed
(49:06):
and they're in their own space,so they feel more relaxed, and
we can both control uminterruptions, but if you're out
in some kind of a public space,um there's interruptions, you
can't control the energy.
Uh, it's not that I can't do itbecause I did it for years.
I just prefer to do it like thisbecause the connection is even
(49:29):
deeper, and a lot of people, youknow, there's still people who
say, now, now, now I want to doit in person, it's not the same,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And that's totally untrue.
It's actually better onlinebecause I've done both, and it
the connection is actuallybetter.
SPEAKER_02 (49:47):
That's awesome.
I was curious about that.
I was like, how does this work?
SPEAKER_01 (49:51):
You know, you know, I explain it.
I explain it's just likedistance healing.
unknown (49:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (49:56):
Because it's all about the energy.
Okay, you do not have to be inthe same room with somebody, and
for all the reasons I've alreadysaid, it actually works better.
And and the wonderful thingabout this is I have clients all
over the world.
Okay.
If I could only do this inperson, I would be restricted to
(50:16):
my very, very small um, youknow, local area.
SPEAKER_04 (50:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (50:24):
Um, but I just love working with people from around
the world.
It's just amazing.
SPEAKER_02 (50:29):
Well, that's awesome.
So, I mean, it it my obviousfollow-up question.
If I wanted to work with you oranybody listening, how do we
find you?
SPEAKER_01 (50:40):
Well, the easiest way to find me is I'm all over
social media, especiallyFacebook.
Um, you can go to my website,which is I know you're gonna
list all these lovely things inyour notes, um, which is just
www.uhspirit speaks to thenumber two.me.
And um or you can reach medirectly by um if you're looking
(51:05):
for to set up a session or forsome more information, you can
just email me at lauremorwig atuh gmail.com.
SPEAKER_02 (51:14):
Awesome.
It was so amazing to have youon, Laura.
I was so excited about thisinterview, and I did feel quite
a few uh interactions as we werespeaking, some energy being um
you know passed between us bothand hopefully on to whoever
listens when this releasessometime early next year, or
(51:39):
possibly even end of this year.
We'll we'll determine that.
And that's I would prefer.
SPEAKER_01 (51:46):
I'm gonna give you a real reason.
Okay, because my when I I'veonly been doing this podcasting,
guesting thing for oh this thislast year, and my guides, for
whatever reason, I think it'sobviously for energetic reasons,
um, they always say um try tomake sure that it comes out as
(52:06):
close as possible to when youdid it.
Okay.
Because they channel the energyfor this particular time.
So if it's like you know, four,five, six months from now, the
energy shifted, especially rightnow.
My god, if it's a month fromnow, it's gonna be different.
SPEAKER_02 (52:26):
Yeah, that was you know, interestingly enough that
you say that.
I was thinking, who is next onthe podcast from the list I had
already interviewed?
Because I've done over 115interviews, and now I am like
looking at releasing twointerviews starting next year.
(52:48):
So starting next year, it'sMonday and Thursday release.
Right now it's only Thursdayrelease.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Okay, two weeks during the week.
Yeah, and that's been somethingthat I've been prompted to do
because I'm doing so many ofthese interviews, right?
So if I were to wait until nextyear, it would release like
(53:08):
later part of next year.
And who knows, like you said,energetically shifted.
SPEAKER_01 (53:14):
Oh, totally.
I I tell you, the energy rightnow is shifting so fast that
from one day to the next, theenergy can be totally different.
And I I people look at me andgo, Oh, come on.
And I'm going, oh.
SPEAKER_02 (53:25):
And the interview I had that released last week was
called Near Death Shift.
She died.
She died, um, it was twointubations during COVID-19, two
intubations, 70 days in thehospital, and she had all these
encounters with people that hadpassed on, with Christ Himself,
(53:48):
the stadium of light.
I mean, it was a very powerfulinterview with Holly Porter.
SPEAKER_01 (53:53):
Well, I just they tweaked me something because I
had complications after COVID,and I had to have uh in 2021, I
had open heart surgery.
Uh-huh.
And if you want to look at ittechnically, because when you
have open heart surgery, theystop your heart and they put you
on heart bypass.
So if you because the mostcommon well, the definition of
(54:17):
death is when your heart stops.
So it felt well, so reallytechnically, um, like they were
pumping oxygen, of course, inand out of my body, but my heart
wasn't pumping.
There was a machine pumping.
So my heart was not working.
It was stopped.
(54:37):
So I had I've oxy I've neverthought of it that way, but I
just thought of it that way, andI went, wow, like I've nearly
I've been killed so many times,it's just unbelievable.
SPEAKER_02 (54:49):
Yeah, yeah.
So it wouldn't matter to do itin December, because I think in
December we're closing out thethe year, you know, and it's
Well, and I'm just gonna putthis this bug in your brain
because they're putting it inmind.
SPEAKER_01 (55:04):
Um I would love to do, and I don't say this to
everybody, uh, but I would loveto do uh a Laura 2.0 with you
next year.
Oh sure.
Because we have they're sayingwe have some other things that
we need to talk about.
SPEAKER_02 (55:20):
That's funny.
I'm sure God's gonna talk to meabout this tomorrow.
As long as he doesn't as long ashe doesn't wake me up at three
again like he did today.
I was like, really?
We've talked about this, man.
I know that you're up there andthe time is like nothing for
y'all.
But I we need our sleep.
(55:41):
I need I need sleep, and I havean 11-year-old counting on me.
Please stop doing this.
And I'm also in pyramidopause.
Please have, please have pity onme.
My goodness.
I have pity on you.
So, anyway, I so enjoyed yourlights, Laura.
It is wonderful to be in thesame light as you.
(56:01):
So the listeners have releasedthat reveal purpose.
Remember, Matthew 5.14, to bethe light, be this beautiful
light, step into it withconfidence.
You were created for a verydivine purpose.
You are fearfully andwonderfully made, and this world
needs you.
Have a wonderful week.
SPEAKER_03 (56:19):
Stay safe.
Love y'all.
SPEAKER_00 (56:21):
Bye now.
Okay.
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The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.