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You're listening to thursday mornings with alex and don
team ad don is a pastor with 40
years experience and alex is just as curious as
you are we look at the most important and interesting
questions about the bible and christian faith so
let's talk about it pastor don good morning
good morning thanks for joining us everyone we
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we just got done taping a few of them and we started to have a discussion and i
said you know whoa whoa whoa stop this is a good talk and
we're talking about you know how how satan
has been so good recently he's or he's he's he's buried a lot of fruit for himself
and you said something about you know how we kind of shied away from podcasts
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and media and well and you know we we shy shy to create away from podcast media.
The way the word got out another could be used
in other ways and just you know didn't invest there right
kovat helped us invest there if god
could bless an epidemic he used that was just gonna say that yeah
but we were shy yeah in
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using those forms because we saw the world using those
forms and didn't like what was coming out well devil was already in the and
and a few bright guys like yourself started thinking well why not use that same
platform to bring the subject of our lord out into the open and then what it's
done is allowed us a platform then to be approached.
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Unthreateningly right with questions by people who
have legitimate questions and and want
to have them answered yeah and so yeah we i think
we were shy too long yeah and now
we're doing some corrective to that oh yeah and
and it's good it's it's developing relationships online
relationships but there's still relationships we
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got a long ways to go yeah i mean i would say that there's still you can kind
of see how the world the corrupt part of the world is working its way into social
media and stuff like that and they're not and this is not in like the you know
like the the devil is in YouTube or something like that. I don't know. Right.
But you definitely see a lot of companies that are shielding or doing what is
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in their best interest to a detriment of not necessarily even conservative beliefs,
but Christian Christian platforms, real Christian beliefs,
because the only thing that you can do on my platform is.
Is to accept that's the only thing you can do you
can't criticize the wrong things so
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there's a hierarchy there you know what's acceptable to criticize and
what's not acceptable to criticize or you know or to
tell people to you know clean up their act they're doing the wrong
thing opposed to what you're doing is right don't worry
about it now we've seen on if
you if you've seen if you're part of our email that i just send you the the
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videos recently i started putting a rumble link on there if you notice that
and in the first email i did that i kind of explained why but it's because i
didn't really like the way that youtube was treating some of the other,
christian channels that i've interacted with they don't
get a lot of traffic they don't they don't get a lot of you know views
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on it because of how the algorithm is
or whatever i don't want to be be too conspiratorial
about it but then we switched to you know have it on rumble
and youtube and rumble's taken off cool we get double the views on there than
we do on youtube that's interesting that is interesting we've even monetized
it we've made 17 cents oh my goodness i know pretty soon we can buy a cup of
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coffee i know just one we'll have to share it eight and a half cents of that That is yours, Don.
Well, that's interesting. But, you know, okay, so do we not use it because they're,
well, conspiring against it?
Or do we use it as much as we possibly can? Oh, no, that's on Rumble.
Oh, that's Rumble. Rumble, the month that gave us 17 cents. Right.
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But, I mean, do we stop using YouTube because Rumble's successful?
Oh, I'd say no, it's even on both. Yeah, I would too. And specifically because
we need to use, we shouldn't shy away from any spot where we can shine for Jesus.
And so keep it up.
But, yeah, it's interesting because even we as Christians have a bias.
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Well, we don't want that out there because, well, that's messy and dirty.
And so we want to screen those things out.
And yet the same law, if we want to go constitutionally, the same law would
apply against us as applies against pornography.
Right and so how do we
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live in this environment that accepts
both and then not be
so shy that we won't shine for jesus right i
mean hopefully we have enough christians we
we have moved this is an indication we've moved as
a nation from being primarily judeo-christian in
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all of our understandings across the board social.
Economic to being a
secular humanist it's what's
good for me as a human being i hope it doesn't hurt
you too bad right of thinking and very selfish
yeah and so by moving
there we no longer have any
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governor that that holds
back from the most vile right any
more than the most holy right and when i
talk about a governor i'm thinking about an engine where the
engine is kept from destroying itself with a
governor that will pull it back throttle it back when it reaches extremes right
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there's nothing that's holding us back from extremes and so while we have legitimate
concerns about how the uh the uh free speech is done done.
If we get too high on our horse on free speech, we won't be able to speak either. Right.
And so how do we do this and do it well? I mean, as bad as some of the aspects
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of the founding fathers were with their flaws, they really designed something that's exceptional.
And was very exceptional at that time. just the
fact that everything before then and every
country around us still has this
little piece in their rules that's like
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yeah you don't get to say whatever you want you know you can't you know say
that because that's going to make me look bad as the government official so
you can't do just the fact that there's all those governments do it it's wild
did you know this is a tangent but but we're going to get back to the actual question from Anita,
but there were tribes, Indian tribes, where they have this special person,
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and this person's job, and it wasn't just, sorry, it was this person's job to mock leadership.
Because anything that couldn't be mocked was baloney.
Any power that couldn't be mocked was baloney.
It was fake. It was fake. Right? It couldn't stand on its own.
It was false power, right? Right.
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If anything is truly, you know, that's kind of what they say,
you know, sticks and stones might make, but if someone calls you a name,
don't let it bother you or else then you're not strong.
You're not brave. You're letting them, you're not even your own person.
They're manipulating you.
So let yourself be true to yourself. And you see the same thing with gesture. Yeah.
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Let, let your, don't let your ego take over. That's a bad thing.
Right. Live in the present. That's, that shouldn't bother you.
I thought that was interesting. you know?
Okay. Did that tangent make any sense? Although we were just talking about free
speech is all I was trying to. Yeah.
Now this falls into free speech from Anita. She wanted to know,
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I came from the Kim Commando show about these AI generators,
speech generator, AI bots. And we've talked about this once before. Okay.
So what Kim Commando, she was trying to get, I think it was the Google bars.
This is Google's version of.
She was just trying to get it to tell me the verse that was talked about in
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the Charlie Brown Christmas show.
That's all I want. And it was saying, sorry, I can't do that. Oh, really?
Yeah. No, I was not able to duplicate that. I'm sure since someone brought it up, they fixed it.
But on chat GPT, I typed it in and it came right up.
It didn't have any problem with it. It told you.
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Yeah told us everything says it was from you know
luke 2 8 through 14 this is
the king james version of it and gives it to you
yeah so it's fine now so they're
crediting they're they're saying that's a glitch what happened
well this is chad gpt i tried
it on the google bard it kind of does this gave us the same thing okay
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now if you type in political things or oh
or you know what's so
bad about islam or something
like that it it will
give you a little bit of an answer but it will try not to alienate oh
okay because there's
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right now there's currently a competition between multiple different artificial
intelligence chat or speech
generators all it is is just a big it's
just reading every article in the world and compiling it to
make itself make a logical answer or of some kind yeah this ai stuff i think
could get out of hand and it's still going to be something we have to live into
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right because it's it's here it's not going away so what i typed in just now
is so you know what's bad about christianity.
Oh, boy, it has no problems. I noticed it's going down. Do you see it's still typing?
Yeah. So it says, right off the bat, it's important to note that opinions about
any religion, including Christianity, can vary widely, and perspectives on what
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may be considered bad can be subjective.
People may criticize or have concerns about certain aspects of blah,
blah, blah. Here are some.
Dogma and doctrine, historical controversies, intolerance, influence on politics,
and literal interpretation.
That's a good list. honestly there's some
of that that i don't yeah well i'm not
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sure if i disagree on some of that the thing is
we need to live into our electronic age yeah and help people understand that
not everything that comes out especially of ai i mean the ai is going to be
screened by whoever's developing it to do whatever it want they want their goal
is is going to be commerce yeah they They want to make money with it.
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And that's why, you know, we're safe because we're not trying to make money. Right.
Almost got our cup of coffee. Haven't quite yet. Not quite. But they're going
to try to make money and they're going to develop it in such a way that it will
make money for them. Oh, it makes money.
Oh, for sure does. Yeah. It won't tell you, you know, like the upcoming,
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you know, what should I put stocks into?
But it won't be long before it's going to have a better insight than any one of us will.
True that'll right wreak havoc with the
market right like there's people that are projecting
that it will be able to beat insider trading because it's going to know that
shift in mentality of the public quicker wow but it's you know it's interesting
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because you know i can actually i found this website this is just kind of like
behind the looking glass if you haven't played around with it.
I can just tell it, you know, make a short video, one minute long.
Use a man in a suit and tie with glasses, with a mustache,
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and another one wearing a hoodie sweatshirt, and they're talking about climate
change from a Christian perspective, and then it has different boxes you can check.
You know, do you want this to be like an argument, or do you Do you want both
of them to be on the same side?
Is it a friendly tone, a condescending tone? Is it an angry rant?
You can type, push all these little buttons and it comes out.
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And even though you just told it to Christian perspective on global warming,
it'll make a very compelling video for you.
Wow. And you can just upload it. All you got to do is pay a monthly subscription
fee for it. Naturally. Yeah.
But there's your money revenue from it because it's doing something.
But then if all of them are doing the same you know same thing referee is interesting yeah,
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I see danger. There's a lot of danger with this. Yeah.
Cause you can tell it to you. Somebody's like the same thing.
I can take it and upload your speech into it.
Let's say 20 minutes or so of it, or probably not. It might even be 20 seconds
of you talking nonstop and then say, use this voice and have it say something horrible.
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And I can even use your, I can even put the video of you in it and it will make
a video of you saying something horrible and it's your face talking and it's
your voice that it sounds like.
That's the thing I think is scary. Well, that's coming up on Facebook all the time.
Yeah, so video evidence of any certain thing, you can incriminate anybody for
anything at that point in time.
What's going to stop them from putting the AI of such and such and so and so?
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Because most of the videos are marked that way right now. Right.
That's because whoever made it wanted to point out what AI will do.
And boy. So there's not a lot of people talking about it. Everyone's saying
it's kind of scary. but have no doubt that there is somebody,
plenty of people behind the scenes that are already working through this.
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Yeah. And putting it into play.
The thing, you know, we're not talking about the ethics of it yet. No.
And so at some point, somebody's going to have to embrace the ethics of saying,
okay, what are we going to do with this?
Oh, well, all the big companies already have ethics boards and they're all working
together for the ethics of these things.
Well, it's better than we've had some. Yeah. And so some of that is kind of
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why some of these things kick out weird answers.
You know, like, what's the best political party? You know, it's going to tell
you, well, everyone has different opinions.
That's all it'll say. Because that's... Because ethically...
Screamed. Yep. That makes sense.
Yeah, I'm not sure what to do with it, because we were kind of behind with,
you know, getting people on board. With Christian content, yes.
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But I don't know how to use this for... I don't either.
Either but i think i think we have to keep working on it yeah because it it
is the next wave yeah that we need to my yeah go back to that one on angels
and demons and things i don't trust it,
i'll use it but it's got to have our content in it yeah is i don't trust it
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on its own yeah it's i mean the interesting thing is you know i i don't i'm
not a great speaker i'm not as fluid fluid as you.
I mumble sometimes. I don't enunciate very well.
Would it be very easy for me to just type this stuff in and we don't have to
meet anymore and we could produce about the same amount of content?
And honestly, if I could tell it to be more compelling, it would be more compelling
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and it might be much more compelling than we are.
It wouldn't be as much fun as sitting here together with you.
Yeah, people wouldn't have to listen to or watch little bits of boring parts in between.
Yeah, especially when we can't find the passage we're looking for in the Bible.
Right, yeah. That's a tricky one sometimes. That is a tricky one because it'd take care of that.
Yes, it would. Well, I'm not willing to quite put it on my faith in that yet.
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No, no, there's going to be some deception. I don't have all the answers,
but I'll do the best I can. Yeah, well, that's good. Okay.
So I think I hopefully we kind of covered that a little bit for you, Anita.
I think they've kind of fixed some of the bugs with, you know,
being one sided or against Christianity or something like that.
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But there's certainly a lot of that out there.
Where the algorithms do not, or they do hinder some of that content.
We've even seen that in Facebook as well.
I think we got dinged once for having the election night supper at the church.
And I wanted to advertise that. And they said, you cannot advertise a political
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thing in a religious institution.
It's not a political, it's just a supper.
But anyway, because it had election in it. Exactly. Yeah.
Sweet. Call it chicken supper. you should yeah i i still yeah still screen everything
that comes i mean we do the same thing with a brand new translation of the bible
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when it comes out we scrutinize it yeah and we scrutinize it and i'm probably
one of the scrutinizers that scrutinize as much as anybody,
we've got to do the same thing here yeah the ai is not the only answer right.
It can't be spirit. Nope. And it can't listen to the Holy Spirit. Yep.
It's just, what did we say last time? It's just, it's, it's just intelligence. It's not knowledge.
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Intelligence, not wisdom. Wisdom. There it is. Yeah. That's right.
Just compiles the data. It doesn't know really what to do with it until you tell it. Right.
Right. So you get to decide whether it gets used for good or bad.
So I guess maybe there's your approach, using it for good. Use it for good.
Okay. If we can use all this for good, at least we're getting somewhere with the gospel.
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I think that covers it quite a bit. I'll have you pray out a little bit,
but if you have any instances that you know or you've heard of that you want
to send us to kind of shed some light on it, or maybe you've tried a certain
inquiry into it and it spit out something weird and you want to tell us about it, send it.
It'd be really cool. I'd be interested to see it. I'd like to get some of that data.
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Yeah. And know it. Yeah. Compile our own. Amen. All right. We pray, Sal, Don.
Heavenly Father, we thank you for the privilege you give us to be together and
together with the audience that is listening.
Heavenly Father, as the world continues to turn its back on you,
allow us the privilege of shedding your light in this world.
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Guide us in every aspect and in every opportunity to share your good news,
Lord, in Jesus' precious name. Amen. Amen.
Thanks, everyone, for joining us. We will see you next week. Lord willing. Bye.
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