December 10, 2024 • 40 mins
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In this inspiring episode of 'Renew and Transform', host Moussa Mikhail and his mentor, Jerold Limongelli, dive deep into crucial topics such as accountability, integrity, dealing with shame, and leadership in the modern world. Jerold, a devout follower of Jesus, shares how his faith guides his actions and maintains his moral compass. The discussion touches on the significance of inner leadership starting from the home, the importance of living for an audience of one, and how aligning one's life with God's word can bring transformative power and authority. Personal anecdotes underline practical steps to achieve integrity, manage emotions, and foster strong, faith-based communities. The conversation ultimately urges men to lead themselves and others by overcoming personal struggles, maintaining a humble and accountable spirit, and experiencing the true freedom and power of God's love.
00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
00:44 Welcoming Jerold Limongelli
01:02 The Importance of Accountability and Integrity
01:40 Living for an Audience of One
04:26 The Role of Legacy in a Man's Life
06:41 Leadership and the Home Ministry
13:08 The Power of Confession and Mentorship
15:47 Living from Power and Authority
19:08 Practical Steps to Align Words with Faith
21:39 Overcoming Worry with Faith
22:15 The Power of Prayer and Personal Development
23:31 The Role of Personal Development in Spiritual Growth
25:52 Encountering God's Presence
29:12 Living with Integrity in a Challenging World
34:28 The Importance of Accountability and Brotherhood
38:09 Merging Business and Ministry
39:38 Final Thoughts and Encouragement
Jerold is a mighty man of God gifted in evangelism & the Prophetic. He is an accomplished athlete, globe-trotter, and successful business leader; Jerold Limongelli's journey through life has taken him on incredible paths. His career started in the nightlife industry, where he excelled at working with large venues and CEOs; his career then turned to digital advertising. With great success for two years, resulting in multi-million dollar revenues - Jerold has created, invested, and run multiple companies. His most recent project is "Guaranteed Clients," which supports coaches & consultants in building their online businesses and mastering sales.
Jerold Limongelli:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeroldlimongelli/
https://www.instagram.com/joyfuljerold/
https://www.facebook.com/jerold.limon.7
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Moussa Mikhail (00:00):
In this episode, me and my great friend, Jerold Limongelli are going
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to dive deep on topics of accountability,integrity, dealing with shame as a
man and leadership in this modern day.
Jerold has been a mentor for mefor years, a great man, a follower
of Jesus, a husband, a leader,a coach, and a great speaker.
You're going to have a lot ofnotes after this episode, so stay
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tuned and let's get into the show.
Welcome to Renew and Transform, apodcast to renew and transform your
mind and cultivate your leadership tolive a life worthy of your calling.
I'm your host, Mindset andLeadership Coach Moussa Mikhail.
Let the renewal begin.
Jerold all the way out from New York.
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What's up, brother?
Jerold Limongelli (00:49):
Hey, man, how's it going?
Blessed to be here.
Moussa Mikhail (00:52):
Amen.
It's my blessing.
I'm so honored to have you didhave you a couple of times on my
previous podcast, Jerold played ahuge role in accountability in me.
Back in 2020 to get my life together,to launch my podcast he's a mentor of
mine and today we want to talk aboutthat topic specifically and how it
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connects to faith for men in general andChristian leaders all around the world.
But the big topic ofaccountability and integrity.
So Jerold I know we live in a worldof compromise and It is so common
to, to compromise our integrity.
But I wanted to ask you how youpractically remain committed
to your values and standfirm in integrity as a man.
Jerold Limongelli (01:39):
Yeah, that's a good question.
So I really think it's youraudience, who you're serving.
So I serve an audience of one.
serve my, my one and true God,Jesus Christ, the king of kings.
So everything I do isto honor and appease.
direction that the Lord has for my life.
Now, if you're not, you know, if you'renot a Christian or you're not a believer,
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it's, know, it might be a little bit ofa different context to look at, but I
think there's value in looking at who orwhat distinguishes your moral compass.
Based on your morality, I thinkthat it really starts setting
standards in your life, right?
And standards then go into yourdisciplines, and disciplines go into
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your accountability, and your integrity.
Like, how integrous are you?
if you don't really care about things,or you don't have a strong moral
compass, or you don't think aboutothers, and you're really self centered
and self focused, you're going to bevery integrous to yourself, but you're
not going to come off as an integrousperson to other people, because
you're, you know, a solo minded person.
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So I think as believers, peoplethat are living for an audience
of one, we're always looking tohow is our actions righteous?
How is our disciplines both holy and dothey follow things like your physical,
spiritual, and your mental disciplinesand how they all play into your life?
Really keep me grounded.
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On a day to day basis to reallyjust gauge what I'm doing.
I always say, I think like theLord works in, in, in the ways
that he needs to work when hewants to work how he wants to work.
Because this morning I started readingthe book of Ecclesiastes and I think
it's interesting because Solomon, youknow, could have asked for a bunch
of riches, but he asked for wisdom.
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And even with the tremendousamount of wisdom, he Talks over
and over in the book about howeverything is meaningless like the
Moussa Mikhail (03:32):
that's
Jerold Limongelli (03:32):
set the way it sets It's gonna rise the way it rises the
moon's gonna come out the way it comesout The rivers are gonna flow into the
oceans And I think people get lost inthe idea that they are such an intricate
part life did that sometimes Alludesthem to understanding what really the
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purpose of life potentially could be.
And I think that could keep youvery, very integrous because things
that would irritate the averageperson are no longer irritable, like
What I do in a day to day is great.
Awesome.
But how important is itinto generations to come?
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Like, in all honesty, is someonegonna be talking about this moment
we're having right now, or isthis moment really for me and you?
Moussa Mikhail (04:22):
a good thought.
Jerold Limongelli (04:23):
Yeah.
'cause people are very focused on legacy.
Like if you, let's talkabout just men, right?
That's the arena I'm in.
Men, you know, you're,you're a man obviously, and.
Men are so heavily focused on legacy.
They forget that they forget aboutthe legacy starts right in the home.
Moussa Mikhail (04:40):
Yeah.
Jerold Limongelli (04:40):
Why don't you be a legacy level father?
Get those things dialed in before youstart trying to be like Steve Jobs.
And even if you read Steve Jobs, his laststatement on his deathbed, he didn't give
a rat's rip that he created that iPhone.
He just wanted to be around peoplethat he remembered and loved.
So I always say things to keepme integrous, things to keep me
alive, things to keep me focused.
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What am I going to betalking about on my deathbed?
Am I going
Moussa Mikhail (05:05):
You know,
Jerold Limongelli (05:05):
about that?
My wife annoyed me that shedidn't do the dishes or something.
No, I'm be talking about, let mejust get one more kiss, honey.
And one more hug.
One more moment in time, right?
So I feel like perspective, like goesback to that morality, like who you
live in for, because if you live forthe world, you're bound for destruction.
You live for an audience of one, right?
You live for a supernatural life.
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You live for treasures in heaven.
Your life's going to be very different.
Moussa Mikhail (05:31):
I love that man.
And that reminds me of somethingthat I read recently where I
think it was emotionally healthy.
Spirituality or emotionally healthyleader great book, but he mentioned
our greatest gospel message
Our greatest gospelmessage is our marriage.
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And if you're not married,it's your singlehood.
And sometimes I think you're right.
We get so caught up in tryingto make a name for ourselves.
Me, me too.
I've got caught up in this and
Jerold Limongelli (06:04):
Me too.
Moussa Mikhail (06:05):
getting caught up in the world and how I'm
going to be seen by people.
But instead of focusing on thosepeople right in front of me, my
family, my friends that are righthere, Because that's, that's who
you, at the end of the day, that'swho you make the biggest impact to.
Jerold Limongelli (06:20):
Yeah.
also it's like, how do I know,like people always say, well,
how do you know all these things?
Well, wisdom is alsolearned through follies.
So like a lot of the things that I'vedone that I think are ridiculous or
that didn't pay dividends, I knowthem and now I talk about them.
And it's like, you know, you,you listen to great people.
Like you read that in the book.
I remember hearing somethingfrom Eric Thomas, the hip hop
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preacher who I love listening to.
He said, a lot of people arefocused on their outside ministry.
They want to look good in public, buttheir inside ministry is falling apart.
And your ministry is at the home, man.
It all starts at the home.
All, all the things that I'm seeing inthe men's personal development space,
in the faith based space with, with menof God who are trying to get back to the
Lord, who are trying to salvage theirmarriages, who want better relationships
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with their kids, who want to do morethings, they're hungry for the Lord.
It all starts in the home, they want togo back to building the foundation, right?
They're not like, yo, helpme out and make more money.
I haven't heard that one yet.
When a guy gets on the phonedealing with trauma, like, yo, if
I could just, if I could just makethat million, everything's better.
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Not the guys I'm talking to.
Maybe there are some out there, butall wanting to go back to this, to the
source of it, which is the nucleus, whichis this country needs to go back to.
If you're seeing it right now, it's likethe dissolving of, of the perfect order.
God, husband, wife, child.
It's, it's a perfect order.
Moussa Mikhail (07:46):
And I've seen it so often in the law enforcement space, especially
that crime and dysfunction is greatlystemming from the lack of leadership.
The lack of fathers, the lackof men in society, I feel,
Jerold Limongelli (08:06):
Absolutely.
Moussa Mikhail (08:07):
and I want to, I want to circle back because you, you
mentioned a major paradigm shift thatI don't want to just brush over because
it's so powerful being accountableto one rather than the world.
How does the concept of being accountableto God influence the way you set goals,
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make decisions and pursue success?
In your leadership and personal life.
Jerold Limongelli (08:37):
I mean, I just go back to the word.
I just believe everything written inthe Bible is the actual translation
of the living word of God.
If he said it, then I'mgoing to listen to it, right?
Doesn't mean I always get it right.
But there's power and authority inthat book, lot of people read it as
stories that it can be interpretedor, you know, different types of or
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things that they don't take serious.
I take everything serious inthere because I know it's a
translation of power and authority.
So when I'm serving God versus servingthe world, I have clear instruction.
This would be great for you.
So I went to Fort Worth, Texaswith my wife about two weeks ago.
We wanted to go see JonathanShuttlesworth and Dr.
Paul Anici, who has thebiggest church in the world.
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called the Glory Dome.
It's a hundred thousand person ministry.
If God's going to give you a hundredthousand people to minister on a
Sunday, there's power in that guy.
an anointing all over him.
Yeah.
And I saw it and felt it.
I saw miracles and people being healed.
And I know, you know, like my mom, who'snot really big on her faith, you know,
she'd be like, , they must've been like,in the audience and they picked them out.
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I'm like, no, God has powerand he will do things.
But that's the end of there.
He talked about rightinto the book of Genesis.
And he said, Adam was givenclear instruction by the Lord.
Remember Adam was first and theLord gave him clear instruction.
He gave him leadership.
Adam knew what to do and what not to do.
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And he was very clear onhis commands from God.
And because he followed the commandsof his father in heaven, He wanted
to stay obedient, not because he wasscared, but because he knew that his
father cared for him and it would givehim the best direction in his life.
Then Eve came.
Now, here's what I unpacked fromwhat the pastor told us, is that
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The devil didn't go to Adam.
devil went to the woman because thewoman didn't have clear instruction.
Because Adam fell short in leadershipand thought that because he knew
the clear instructions of Godthat his wife would know the clear
instructions in God, and she didn't.
And because he played subtletiesin that area, the devil whispered
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in her ear gave her confusion.
And in the confusion, she went and didsomething outside of God's perfect order.
So the fall happened.
So what I learned from that is Peoplewill whisper lies in your ear to
misdirect you from what things thatGod is trying to whisper into your ear.
And as men, the lack of leadershipin our own personal life will be
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the lack of leadership that haseverything around us fall apart.
If your wife doesn't think that you're alegacy builder, a chain breaker, Right?
A miracle maker.
She ain't gonna follow you.
And then the kids are gonna lookat you in a different way and
they're gonna side with the mother.
Now the whole dynamic is off.
But if the leadership is strong, thena woman is happy to submit in a healthy
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way because she trusts that the husbandhas the best interest and the best tools
to carry the name and the legacy to aplace that she couldn't do by herself.
is why a partnership makes sense.
So leadership is really tied to howwell you lead yourself, but also
how well you lead others around you.
If you lack integrity, then guess what?
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The people around you areprobably going to lack integrity.
Moussa Mikhail (11:55):
I love that.
Jerold Limongelli (11:56):
you have bad standards, poopy standards, you want
to sleep in, you don't want to get up.
You don't want to do things.
You don't want to tithe your money.
You want to be like this,that, and all that stuff.
You're gonna see it all aroundyou there's no example because
Eve didn't have the example.
Moussa Mikhail (12:13):
Where that was beautifully said, but where do you
see men, the modern man failingthe most in leading themselves?
Jerold Limongelli (12:23):
Shame.
They're afraid to admit they're broken.
They're afraid to admitthey're struggling.
They're afraid to admit thatthey're watching pornography in the
background, that they're masturbatingin quiet times, that they're looking
at other women on Instagram, thatthey have lustful behaviors, that
they are not sharing their finances.
their heart is turning in different ways.
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They're afraid to say it.
the devil keeps it asa dirty little secret.
And then that dirty little secretcompounds and that compounding
effect gets them to believea lie that they're no good.
So why change?
I really think it's a, it's a seed that'sso powerfully planted in the minds of men
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they don't understand that it says, see,remember I said, just go back to the word.
What does it say in the word?
If you confess your sinsto another man, right?
They'll be freedom.
Moussa Mikhail (13:15):
Yeah,
Jerold Limongelli (13:15):
Okay.
So what do you think God's?
That's why we do the work we're doingwith Weatherford, Steve Weatherford
and getting these guys together thesecret gets aired out, but then the
healing comes in from the Holy Ghost.
It's no longer a secret.
It's a moment to heal it's amoment for other men to hear it.
So breakthrough happens andit's like a domino effect.
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I think men got to get real.
I think they got to get realwith themselves first and
they got to get real with God.
Not from a religious way, right?
Because people merge religion andrelationship and there's two very
different variables right there.
Religion is fear based.
It gets you in a series ofrules and do good or stuff.
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is come to your daddy andyou say, look, I messed up.
Now I know there's going tobe a little cost to pay, but
teach me how to be better.
Men need to go to other men.
Men need mentors.
Men need coaches.
Men need leaders to say, I'mnot really showing up here.
I could see it.
My wife's not, my wife'snot trusting my leadership.
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There's something, itcan't be her all the time.
Show me where I'm falling short.
Now, give me correction and let me grow.
Moussa Mikhail (14:30):
that's huge, man.
I think that ties into the biggestthing in growth in general is the
humility aspect, like to humbleourselves to that point where we can.
Confess that to another brother, you know,or to humble ourselves and see like how am
I falling short as a man or as a leader?
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Why can't I lead well and the humilityaspect also opens the light opens
the door For you to invite God in
Jerold Limongelli (15:02):
Yes.
Moussa Mikhail (15:03):
says he's at the door.
He's knocking but we'renot letting them in
Jerold Limongelli (15:08):
You know, I, I also think that men have forgotten.
I, this is something I've learned.
helped me.
I still am growing into some areas of mylife where I want to apply this knowledge.
And I hope this lands forany of your listeners.
It's they're listening to this.
A lot of people don't understandwhen it says the power of life and
death is in your tongue, right?
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And that the living word of God islike a sword that pierces through
the heart of the opposition.
Right?
So you got to like, don't just readthese things, like think about it.
It says meditate on my word.
Right?
So I started thinking, thenI realized Wait a minute.
The minute I declared Jesus ismy Lord and Savior, and I went
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underneath the water, it says youare a new, NEW creature in Christ.
No longer the same.
Think of, new means completely different.
New.
So whatever sin I was living in, heremoved it because of the shedding
of the blood on the cross, right?
This is why he went up thereand shed the innocent blood,
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because he washed my sin away.
Now watch this.
no longer living in sin, right?
So that means I'm not a sinner.
Okay.
So what happens when people say,well, you can't be perfect, right?
Because you come out of order,come out of obedience with God.
So you fall to sin.
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So I said, okay, wait a minute.
So all the things that I was tellingmyself, you know, I did this, I
did that, or even break it down.
People say, I grew up in trauma.
My dad wasn't around.
I got hit.
You are putting these things over you.
But the minute you wentunder the water and came out,
you're no longer those things.
You're a new creature in Christ, soyou're washed new, you're washed clean.
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why aren't we speaking powerand authority over ourselves?
Why aren't we saying thegood news in the scriptures?
aren't we saying I'minheriting a royal priesthood?
Why aren't I saying that the kingdomthat is in heaven is the same on earth?
Why am I waiting for prosperitywhen he already gave it to me?
Why am I waiting for healingwhen he's already healed me?
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See, remember the devil is acraftiest creature in the garden.
So he gets in your mind because hecan't occupy you anymore, right?
You can't, you're not occupied,but he can get in here and start
confusing you to think That you'renot who God has already said you are.
So when I started living from powerand authority from glory to glory,
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I got out of being broke busted anddisgusted and I started getting into
bold, sold and told, anointed andappointed, blessed and highly favored.
started declaring the promises thatGod had already said for me, to me.
You know, even the basic thingslike if you had a rich auntie,
when do you get the inheritance?
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When she dies.
Moussa Mikhail (18:04):
hmm.
Jerold Limongelli (18:05):
He went to the cross.
He said, it is done.
Check was written.
Cash it.
So men, I think, forget the power
Moussa Mikhail (18:15):
That's good.
That's
Jerold Limongelli (18:16):
Right?
They forget.
And they start identifying.
I'm a sinner.
I'm a pervert.
Right?
I'm addicted to porn.
I'm addicted to pills.
I can't kick the lust.
I'm on phone calls withthousands of guys a month.
They're all saying the same thing, right?
I'm angry.
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I grew up angry.
My dad was angry.
So now I'm angry.
It must be a generational curse.
No, it's broken.
So I think it's about learningto take your power back, learning
to take your authority back, andbeing in partnership with the Lord.
Because we, in the flesh, cannot dothings that require heavenly wisdom.
Moussa Mikhail (18:57):
so good, man I want I want to ask you like what
practical steps do you take dailyto align your words with that faith?
So you can walk in that authority.
Jerold Limongelli (19:12):
Well, one, it's very crucial to be in the Word, right?
If you don't get in the Word,how are you going to know the
voice of your Father in Heaven?
never hear him.
Second thing is I think it'simportant to look at who's around you.
Who are the people thatare speaking into your ear?
Remember it said the devilwhispered into her ear.
Don't think he ain'twhispering day to day at you.
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So I made sure that I started aligningmyself and surrounding myself with
people who share my values, who sharemy hunger for the Lord, and who could be
representations of where I'm trying to go.
So I made sure I found the right peoplearound me and I, and not that I, I
don't like the word eliminate, but Idistanced myself from people who did
not share the same value system that Idid because that's the integrity piece.
Moussa Mikhail (20:00):
Yeah.
Jerold Limongelli (20:01):
That's how you just, that's how you're going
to distinguish your integrity.
People might not like you, butthey'll respect you when you're bold.
So I think it's getting into the word.
I also think it's surroundingyourself with the right group of
men, the right group of people.
Okay.
That's fine.
And then I also think.
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There's really good practice in whatI do is reflection pieces, right?
Learn to manage yourself.
Some people get hot headed.
Some people get passive.
Some people explode.
Some people suppress.
Learn about yourself, right?
Get your emotional EQ, youremotional intelligence tested.
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Go get a therapist.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Start managing your mindset,your emotions, and see what
triggers you, and then explore it.
Why is this bothering me?
And then guess what?
Listen, I'm a Christian.
It's quite obvious.
So when that happens, I askedthe Lord to search my heart.
So I stopped myself.
I think it was earlier today.
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I was driving somewhere and I sawlike, like a payment come in and I
thought it was going to be more again,member things of the world, right?
Ecclesiastes, how crazyis a payment comes in.
like, you gotta be kidding me, man.
Like, and as I was in thecar, I said, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, wait a minute.
Lord, remind me of the strength.
Remind me of the provision.
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Remind me what it says in Jeremiahthat you have plans for me to
prosper, that you will not forsake me.
Lord, search my heart.
Why am I worried when it says thatthe birds will never worry about
what food they're going to eat, northe people should never worry about
what clothes they're going to wear.
Why am I worried?
Remove worrisome and give me power.
Remove worrisome.
Give me authority.
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So I remind myself, but do yousee how I went to the word?
I didn't fantasize my ownmanifestation of I'm in control.
I'm not, but I ask when I need to, when Iwrite asking it, she'll be given knocking
the door, shall be opened upon you.
You just said that, right?
So him search your heart and healthose aspects of yourself because
we do have to live in the world.
We are in a social construct.
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can't just hide in acave and hold a Bible.
You're useless.
God didn't make you for that.
Moussa Mikhail (22:14):
And that's so good.
I think even on the scientific aspectof that is you're literally interrupting
that thought and introducing prayer,
Jerold Limongelli (22:23):
Yeah.
Moussa Mikhail (22:24):
which shapes the fabric of your mind and allows you to rewire it
in a way where it becomes part of you.
Like you, you don't have to think aboutit once you get to that place where
you can just interrupt everything.
With the word of God and pray.
Jerold Limongelli (22:43):
You know, I, I do believe in personal development.
I put out a lot of content where,I mean, I haven't gotten a lot of
people getting crabby at me yet.
And that's okay.
Maybe they will.
But because I'm not like, I don'twant them to think I'm bashing
personal development because Idon't really talk like that anymore.
I used to have like a littlebit of the edge to it because I
had so much fire and conviction.
But now I'm learning thatyou get more bees with honey.
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I've learned to let the Lord, I worked on,I said, Lord, give me better discernment.
Give me better wisdom Jesusdidn't yell at people.
He asked a lot of good questions.
Moussa Mikhail (23:15):
Yeah
Jerold Limongelli (23:16):
was a great listener, right?
He stumped you.
Like he just, whoa, like, you know,so I learned, well, how do I do that?
Right?
Because it's not about convincing.
It's about convicting.
It's about having peoplehave like a moment, right?
With only God can touch them.
And as I started talking about thepersonal development space, you know, I
think there's tools and techniques thatare very, very important to use, right?
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But it could only get you sofar because it's flesh based.
But it says we don't battleprincipalities of darkness, right?
In the flesh it saysthey're in the spirit.
So you have to learn how to tapinto and work through the spirit.
Well, how else are you going to do thatwithout tapping into the Holy Ghost?
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So you could, you could read everybook, psychology book on earth, right?
And you can conceptuallyunderstand that this makes me
angry, but why can't you stop?
Because you have to get a peacethat surpasses understanding.
Moussa Mikhail (24:14):
I love that and for people that might not be born again
at this moment listening to this.
How do they tap into theStrength that is beyond them?
Jerold Limongelli (24:27):
Yeah, what I've learned about people is mostly about
the high, high percentages of everyoneyou meet says they believe in something.
Right?
So they'll say God and whatever Godis to them and that's totally okay
for where they are in their journey.
But what I always say is, you know,whoever's listening out there and they're
listening and they're like, I don't know.
They probably grew up in church orreligious church or, or, you know, how to
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go to a very Brooks Brothers button downchurch with khakis and strict religion
and dragging you through the pews.
That's kind of how I didit a little bit as a kid.
So I get it.
It never seemed relationalor whatever it is.
I always say in your quiettime when no one's around, ask
God to reveal himself to you.
If you want to experience power andglory, you're not going to really get it.
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I mean, let me reframe that.
You could get it from reading.
You could get it from an encounterof just listening to this podcast,
the seed could be planted.
But I believe that an invitation to God'spresence is what convicted me immediately.
Like how it convicted Paul, whowas Saul on the road to Damascus.
I mean, the guy was literallygoing to kill Christians.
Moussa Mikhail (25:34):
Mm hmm.
Jerold Limongelli (25:35):
of the true encounter of the Holy Ghost, the
conviction, the hand of God is real.
Whether your listeners believe it or not,because when I was out in the woods in
Dripping Springs and the Lord put hishand on me, changed my life immediately.
I didn't go back and ponder.
I
Moussa Mikhail (25:52):
Could you tell us a little bit more about that encounter?
That's
Jerold Limongelli (25:57):
yeah, I was, you know, I was out walking in the woods in
Drippen Springs, Texas, minding my ownbusiness, you know, riding my high horse.
And I was listening to somethingon YouTube, the channel changed.
It was Jesus Christ Sermon on the Mount.
I heard a verse that said be leeryof false prophets for they'll
show up in sheep's clothing, butunderneath they're ravenous wolves.
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For a good tree will always bear.
Sorry, for an evil tree will onlybear thorns and thistles, for a
good tree will bear figs and grapes.
And it stopped me.
my tracks and I started thinking like wow,I've traveled the entire world and I've
done all this stuff over like a decadeof searching But why never jesus and then
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I was prompted by the Holy Spirit to godown to this path I went down this path.
I was in a big field Ifelt the presence of God.
Tell me everything that you'relooking for is within me.
Come walk with me and Right when I madethat decision, I said, I believe in Jesus
Christ, the King of Kings, the Lord ofLords, the one and only truth in the way.
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Boom!
Just dropped me to my knees and thepower of the Holy Ghost just touched
me I started weeping and repenting.
In that moment, I either thoughtI did way too much ayahuasca or
DMT that I was going to be in astraight jacket or this was real.
And It was real because the Lord startedworking on me and started revealing his
presence to me with great wisdom andclarity and new vision and new eyes.
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I became a new creature in Christand my whole life changed and I
started pursuing and hungrily pursuingthe Lord And so many miracles and
things have happened in my life.
So much grace and beauty andall the things I've ever wanted.
He's given it to me and more, but he gaveme the one thing I was always looking for.
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I was always hunting for whatdoes it mean to, to love yourself,
but it was self centered.
What does it mean to love yourself?
What I learned was what does itmean to be loved by God, which
means you don't have to try.
You don't have to earn it.
It's given.
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There's freedom
Moussa Mikhail (28:06):
the there's so much freedom in that and for for some of those
who might not understand that conceptBecause that's the whole concept of grace.
That's what the gospel is.
That's what Jesus talked about.
Jerold Limongelli (28:20):
Yeah.
Moussa Mikhail (28:21):
What's your advice to someone who might be stuck in
the paradigm of they need to doand earn God's love and grace?
Jerold Limongelli (28:34):
You know, it's a tough one, man.
That's a good, it's a very good question.
I'm not sure if you cantell those people something.
I think it's them being willingto explore a new perspective.
Like why are you holding, Imean, again, it's just crazy.
I just started reading that, that thebook of Ecclesiastes and everything.
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You're saying it just, the Lord'sjust given me heavenly wisdom.
And you just keep saying like, Why areyou, why are you so excited about holding
on to things that are temporary, when Iwant to give you things that are eternal?
So it goes back to what you askedme, how do you stay integrous,
right, in a world that's so insane?
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I'm only focused on an audience ofone who tells me everything that
I'm telling you to do, will give youeverything you want, and it's eternal.
Why, like, I used to be the guy thatwas like, dude, it'd be so cool to get a
McLaren and maybe put it on my Instagram.
Now I see those people no judgment.
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I just look at it and go, eh,
Moussa Mikhail (29:42):
Vanity.
Jerold Limongelli (29:43):
good for you.
Moussa Mikhail (29:45):
said.
Jerold Limongelli (29:47):
It's
Moussa Mikhail (29:47):
Everything is vanity.
Jerold Limongelli (29:49):
like I was just saying to my friend, like things I dream about
is like being able to make so much moneythat I could tithe the billion dollars
to me.
That's like what a baller does.
Moussa Mikhail (30:03):
Yeah,
Jerold Limongelli (30:03):
And you guess what?
You don't say anything.
You just let your Papa in heaven.
No.
Moussa Mikhail (30:09):
that's beautiful, man.
I want, I want to ask you, because Iwas, I was with you in a little bit
in that self development journey,
Jerold Limongelli (30:18):
Oh yeah.
Moussa Mikhail (30:19):
and I came to that point where I'm like,
I'm reading all these books.
I've read like hundreds, like hundredsof books, and I get value out of it,
because I'm just wired that way thatI'm going to learn from anything,
even if it's a terrible book.
Jerold Limongelli (30:34):
Yeah.
Moussa Mikhail (30:35):
could learn what not to say or what not to do or how that
doesn't align with certain things.
But there was a certain point whereI grew up in that religion and I
was just like, I need to, I needto know what Jesus really said.
Jerold Limongelli (30:47):
Yeah.
Moussa Mikhail (30:48):
And I think that goes back to your point.
Or how do you know God'svoice if you've never read it?
Jerold Limongelli (30:58):
That's.
Moussa Mikhail (30:58):
was I gonna know what Jesus taught if I'd
never sat down and read it wordfor word in any of the Gospels?
Jerold Limongelli (31:05):
Or if you don't pray,
Moussa Mikhail (31:07):
Exactly.
Jerold Limongelli (31:09):
because see, this is, you're nailing it.
This is the relationship part.
This gets you out of the do gooders,out of the, the, the people who
say, I did X, I did Y, I did Z.
I'm good.
Moussa Mikhail (31:21):
Then I never knew you.
Jerold Limongelli (31:22):
dude, that's when you said that made my hair go.
That's my biggest fear.
And I know that I'm a rebuke thatspirit of, of fear out of me right now.
In Jesus mighty name, but that I'llget up there in front of him and
he'll be like, yo, you did all thethings, bro, but you never knew me.
Moussa Mikhail (31:39):
Yeah, Matthew 7.
Jerold Limongelli (31:40):
That's harsh.
Moussa Mikhail (31:41):
I think that one shook me the most.
Jerold Limongelli (31:44):
me the most.
It's harsh because it shows itshows his his righteous anger,
Moussa Mikhail (31:49):
Yeah.
Jerold Limongelli (31:50):
understand.
They think he's like a floatingaround a fluffy cloud up there.
No, he's he's righteousand he has righteous anger.
Meaning like if you, if you, if you'regoing to be out, basically what he's
saying is like, yo, you played me.
You were out there fooling everyoneon earth, but you ain't fooling me.
You never knew me.
You didn't come to me.
You didn't pray with me.
You didn't prophesy.
You didn't come to me.
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You just did all the showstoppers.
That also reflects like alot of how people show up.
Isn't that interesting?
Right?
look good.
They
Moussa Mikhail (32:20):
What
Jerold Limongelli (32:21):
good.
They get good.
They act good.
But behind
Moussa Mikhail (32:23):
was it for?
Jerold Limongelli (32:25):
behind closed doors It's hard out there, man, especially
being a man, you know, women will sayit's so hard being a woman probably is.
I'm not a woman.
I can't speak for that.
But I know for a man, if you reallywant to be a real biblical man of God,
it's not easy in this terrain out here.
Moussa Mikhail (32:41):
It's war.
Jerold Limongelli (32:43):
It's every day.
There's temptation every day.
I'm married.
And I tell my wife all the time.
I said, the biggestbattleground is the gym.
It's like insane.
I just want to go work out.
I don't want to be tempted.
I don't want to see half nakedgirls like doing things like that,
but that's the world we live in.
You can't tell them you shouldn't do that.
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should be more disciplined,keep my eyes more concealed,
set better parameters, right?
I just feel like everywherewe go, you get on Instagram,
you go anywhere, you do this.
It's become normalized to bea person that lacks integrity,
that has a strong moral ethic.
It's like, yo, weirdo,I'm like, am I that weird?
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You know, I think it also, it's just alandscape of what men are perceiving as,
as a standard has, I think has shifted,but now it's shifting back into it.
I think men are starting to have a hungeragain for God because they're learning
that all the accomplishments and thingsand the medals and the awards don't do it.
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And you still have that Godsize hole in your heart.
Moussa Mikhail (33:53):
Yeah,
that's huge, man.
Man, I just, I feel, I resonate witheverything that we've been talking
about here, because it's, I thinkit's, it's a common experience for men.
Jerold Limongelli (34:08):
Yeah,
Moussa Mikhail (34:09):
You know, it's not unique necessarily.
I mean, it might appear to be,and there's going to be unique.
Encounters and unique obstacles andchallenges, but fundamentally we were
created to love and to be loved by God.
Jerold Limongelli (34:27):
absolutely.
I think it's also importantthat you said, like, you know,
it's like iron sharpens iron.
I know it's catchy.
I hear it all the time, but it's true.
You know, we need to sharpen each other.
We need to have conversations like this.
We need to put ourselvesin accountability circles.
You know, we need to be, we need tokeep each other integrous, right?
We need to reveal to one another froma loving place because wives or your
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girlfriends or what I'm gonna speak itthe way I want is like our wives, right?
If you're, if you have a girlfriend,your girlfriend shouldn't be
overseeing your life in that capacity.
You're not wed yet.
You're not one flesh.
But when you have a wife, she should notbecome the emotional pincushion to you.
Like guys coming home andventing and talking about their
day and huffing and puffing.
That's not what yourwife wants to do, bro.
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Your wife wants to be nurtured and loved.
So you got to learn to offload that.
You have to learn to go to your men.
You have to go to your tribe.
You have to get correct.
So when you go home,you're still the leader.
Moussa Mikhail (35:25):
I love that man.
Jerold Limongelli (35:26):
Yeah,
Moussa Mikhail (35:27):
And as we, as we wrap this up, cause I could talk to you for
six hours straight and do like a doubleJoe Rogan podcast or something, but
Jerold Limongelli (35:34):
of those one day.
Moussa Mikhail (35:36):
yeah, but for who you were before you felt the hand of God.
Jerold Limongelli (35:44):
Lord,
Moussa Mikhail (35:45):
We don't want to go there, but
Jerold Limongelli (35:46):
forgive me.
Moussa Mikhail (35:47):
if you had to give that person some advice
on how to be truly transformed.
What would you say?
Jerold Limongelli (35:55):
Man, you've gotten good with the questions, man.
You always had good questions, but nowthey're like really good questions.
Moussa Mikhail (36:01):
to step it up, man?
I'm doing this for God now.
Remember
Jerold Limongelli (36:03):
That's right.
You know, that's interesting because Imeet young people and it's like I want
to shake them like a Raggedy Ann doll.
It's like, can't you just figure it outthen I think about me because I'm so,
you, when you're young you're stubborn.
You think you know everything.
I'm not sure if I would tell theyoung person, the young me, anything.
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You know what I would do?
I'd become the example ofwhat he saw as possibility.
I think when you're youngand you start telling people
things, like a parental wound.
Like, I'm gonna tell you what to do.
But what happens if we change the dialogueto, I'm gonna show you what's possible.
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And the fruit of my life is sotasty that you're gonna want it too.
And I think that's
Moussa Mikhail (36:51):
that's
Jerold Limongelli (36:52):
did.
He didn't like say, you know, listen,he gave commands, but he showed you
what his holy life looked like, whatforgiveness looks like, what grace
look like, what repentance look like,
Moussa Mikhail (37:06):
Yeah.
Jerold Limongelli (37:07):
look like, right?
So you wanted it.
Moussa Mikhail (37:11):
That's more of like, don't preach the gospel, but be the gospel.
Jerold Limongelli (37:15):
Exactly.
There's a time for preaching, right?
And there's
Moussa Mikhail (37:18):
There you
Jerold Limongelli (37:19):
for being on how
Moussa Mikhail (37:22):
got to hear it.
Jerold Limongelli (37:23):
right?
There's some guys that have beencalled to stand on the street
corners and just cast it down.
And there's some people thatare made to be in the pulpit.
And there's some people thatare made to be on a podcast.
All right.
He'll use it all.
Moussa Mikhail (37:37):
I love you, Jerold
Jerold Limongelli (37:38):
you too.
Moussa Mikhail (37:40):
How can people who are listening connect with you and what
else do you what else are you working on
Jerold Limongelli (37:47):
Yeah.
Moussa Mikhail (37:48):
can really serve other people right now?
Jerold Limongelli (37:51):
Amazing.
Well, thank you for that.
Instagram is always great.
I love it when the people reach out.
I try to get back to you right away.
I'm sure you'll put it in the,in the description so you can
just reach out to me on IG.
Just shoot me a message.
I get back to you as quickly as I can.
As far as what I'm up to, youknow, besides working on a bunch
of different businesses, I think.
You know, the one thing that's reallybeen just exciting and amazing to work
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on is the work I'm doing with SteveWeatherford and champions in Christ.
So helping him build out all his, youknow, faith based leadership programs
where we're really helping men step intoleadership so they can lead in their
business, families, and communities.
And I've just been gung ho abouthis in person event called launching
pad that he does once a month.
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in Dallas, Texas, where we get about 25men together to have just a real physical
manifestation and encounter with theHoly Ghost and just have rapid healing
through physical discipline, spiritualauthority, and emotional healing.
And it's just been incredible.
so I know we're going to launch awhole bunch of them in the new year.
We're wrapping up thelast one in November.
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I don't know when this comes out,but man, that's just been incredible.
I was with my wife.
Dallas at 11, church 1132.
The pastor randomly prophesied to meto, merge my business and my ministry.
And I feel like that work reallygets to do that where I get to bring
a kingdom skill set in businessinto, my faith and love for the
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Lord and allow, allow that to merge.
So that's been a really beautiful thing.
And I'm just excited to see howthe Lord will unfold that in
all his glory in the new year.
Moussa Mikhail (39:29):
I love them.
And I'm going to have to partake in that.
Jerold Limongelli (39:31):
got to come
Moussa Mikhail (39:32):
I've been due for a Dallas trip to,
Jerold Limongelli (39:34):
Let's go.
You'll be always be my guest.
Moussa Mikhail (39:36):
Hey man, I love you so much.
Thank you for taking the time out.
I used to tell people this back in myold podcast, but it still reigns true.
The greatest gift I feel we cangive is our time and our energy.
So
Jerold Limongelli (39:46):
Praise God.
Moussa Mikhail (39:47):
you for doing that.
My brother
Jerold Limongelli (39:49):
You're welcome.
Thanks for having me.
It's an honor.
Thank you for tuning in.
Be a light and share this withsomeone you love and care about.
And please subscribe and leave areview so we can reach more people.
And remember, do not conform tothe pattern of this world, but be
transformed by the renewing of your mind.
Then you will be able to testand approve what God's will is.
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His good, pleasing, and perfect will.
In this episode, me and my great friend, Jerold Limongelli are going
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to dive deep on topics of accountability,integrity, dealing with shame as a
man and leadership in this modern day.
Jerold has been a mentor for mefor years, a great man, a follower
of Jesus, a husband, a leader,a coach, and a great speaker.
You're going to have a lot ofnotes after this episode, so stay
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tuned and let's get into the show.
Welcome to Renew and Transform, apodcast to renew and transform your
mind and cultivate your leadership tolive a life worthy of your calling.
I'm your host, Mindset andLeadership Coach Moussa Mikhail.
Let the renewal begin.
Jerold all the way out from New York.
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What's up, brother?
Jerold Limongelli (00:49):
Hey, man, how's it going?
Blessed to be here.
Moussa Mikhail (00:52):
Amen.
It's my blessing.
I'm so honored to have you didhave you a couple of times on my
previous podcast, Jerold played ahuge role in accountability in me.
Back in 2020 to get my life together,to launch my podcast he's a mentor of
mine and today we want to talk aboutthat topic specifically and how it
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connects to faith for men in general andChristian leaders all around the world.
But the big topic ofaccountability and integrity.
So Jerold I know we live in a worldof compromise and It is so common
to, to compromise our integrity.
But I wanted to ask you how youpractically remain committed
to your values and standfirm in integrity as a man.
Jerold Limongelli (01:39):
Yeah, that's a good question.
So I really think it's youraudience, who you're serving.
So I serve an audience of one.
serve my, my one and true God,Jesus Christ, the king of kings.
So everything I do isto honor and appease.
direction that the Lord has for my life.
Now, if you're not, you know, if you'renot a Christian or you're not a believer,
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it's, know, it might be a little bit ofa different context to look at, but I
think there's value in looking at who orwhat distinguishes your moral compass.
Based on your morality, I thinkthat it really starts setting
standards in your life, right?
And standards then go into yourdisciplines, and disciplines go into
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your accountability, and your integrity.
Like, how integrous are you?
if you don't really care about things,or you don't have a strong moral
compass, or you don't think aboutothers, and you're really self centered
and self focused, you're going to bevery integrous to yourself, but you're
not going to come off as an integrousperson to other people, because
you're, you know, a solo minded person.
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So I think as believers, peoplethat are living for an audience
of one, we're always looking tohow is our actions righteous?
How is our disciplines both holy and dothey follow things like your physical,
spiritual, and your mental disciplinesand how they all play into your life?
Really keep me grounded.
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On a day to day basis to reallyjust gauge what I'm doing.
I always say, I think like theLord works in, in, in the ways
that he needs to work when hewants to work how he wants to work.
Because this morning I started readingthe book of Ecclesiastes and I think
it's interesting because Solomon, youknow, could have asked for a bunch
of riches, but he asked for wisdom.
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And even with the tremendousamount of wisdom, he Talks over
and over in the book about howeverything is meaningless like the
Moussa Mikhail (03:32):
that's
Jerold Limongelli (03:32):
set the way it sets It's gonna rise the way it rises the
moon's gonna come out the way it comesout The rivers are gonna flow into the
oceans And I think people get lost inthe idea that they are such an intricate
part life did that sometimes Alludesthem to understanding what really the
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purpose of life potentially could be.
And I think that could keep youvery, very integrous because things
that would irritate the averageperson are no longer irritable, like
What I do in a day to day is great.
Awesome.
But how important is itinto generations to come?
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Like, in all honesty, is someonegonna be talking about this moment
we're having right now, or isthis moment really for me and you?
Moussa Mikhail (04:22):
a good thought.
Jerold Limongelli (04:23):
Yeah.
'cause people are very focused on legacy.
Like if you, let's talkabout just men, right?
That's the arena I'm in.
Men, you know, you're,you're a man obviously, and.
Men are so heavily focused on legacy.
They forget that they forget aboutthe legacy starts right in the home.
Moussa Mikhail (04:40):
Yeah.
Jerold Limongelli (04:40):
Why don't you be a legacy level father?
Get those things dialed in before youstart trying to be like Steve Jobs.
And even if you read Steve Jobs, his laststatement on his deathbed, he didn't give
a rat's rip that he created that iPhone.
He just wanted to be around peoplethat he remembered and loved.
So I always say things to keepme integrous, things to keep me
alive, things to keep me focused.
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What am I going to betalking about on my deathbed?
Am I going
Moussa Mikhail (05:05):
You know,
Jerold Limongelli (05:05):
about that?
My wife annoyed me that shedidn't do the dishes or something.
No, I'm be talking about, let mejust get one more kiss, honey.
And one more hug.
One more moment in time, right?
So I feel like perspective, like goesback to that morality, like who you
live in for, because if you live forthe world, you're bound for destruction.
You live for an audience of one, right?
You live for a supernatural life.
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You live for treasures in heaven.
Your life's going to be very different.
Moussa Mikhail (05:31):
I love that man.
And that reminds me of somethingthat I read recently where I
think it was emotionally healthy.
Spirituality or emotionally healthyleader great book, but he mentioned
our greatest gospel message
Our greatest gospelmessage is our marriage.
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And if you're not married,it's your singlehood.
And sometimes I think you're right.
We get so caught up in tryingto make a name for ourselves.
Me, me too.
I've got caught up in this and
Jerold Limongelli (06:04):
Me too.
Moussa Mikhail (06:05):
getting caught up in the world and how I'm
going to be seen by people.
But instead of focusing on thosepeople right in front of me, my
family, my friends that are righthere, Because that's, that's who
you, at the end of the day, that'swho you make the biggest impact to.
Jerold Limongelli (06:20):
Yeah.
also it's like, how do I know,like people always say, well,
how do you know all these things?
Well, wisdom is alsolearned through follies.
So like a lot of the things that I'vedone that I think are ridiculous or
that didn't pay dividends, I knowthem and now I talk about them.
And it's like, you know, you,you listen to great people.
Like you read that in the book.
I remember hearing somethingfrom Eric Thomas, the hip hop
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preacher who I love listening to.
He said, a lot of people arefocused on their outside ministry.
They want to look good in public, buttheir inside ministry is falling apart.
And your ministry is at the home, man.
It all starts at the home.
All, all the things that I'm seeing inthe men's personal development space,
in the faith based space with, with menof God who are trying to get back to the
Lord, who are trying to salvage theirmarriages, who want better relationships
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with their kids, who want to do morethings, they're hungry for the Lord.
It all starts in the home, they want togo back to building the foundation, right?
They're not like, yo, helpme out and make more money.
I haven't heard that one yet.
When a guy gets on the phonedealing with trauma, like, yo, if
I could just, if I could just makethat million, everything's better.
(07:25):
Not the guys I'm talking to.
Maybe there are some out there, butall wanting to go back to this, to the
source of it, which is the nucleus, whichis this country needs to go back to.
If you're seeing it right now, it's likethe dissolving of, of the perfect order.
God, husband, wife, child.
It's, it's a perfect order.
Moussa Mikhail (07:46):
And I've seen it so often in the law enforcement space, especially
that crime and dysfunction is greatlystemming from the lack of leadership.
The lack of fathers, the lackof men in society, I feel,
Jerold Limongelli (08:06):
Absolutely.
Moussa Mikhail (08:07):
and I want to, I want to circle back because you, you
mentioned a major paradigm shift thatI don't want to just brush over because
it's so powerful being accountableto one rather than the world.
How does the concept of being accountableto God influence the way you set goals,
(08:28):
make decisions and pursue success?
In your leadership and personal life.
Jerold Limongelli (08:37):
I mean, I just go back to the word.
I just believe everything written inthe Bible is the actual translation
of the living word of God.
If he said it, then I'mgoing to listen to it, right?
Doesn't mean I always get it right.
But there's power and authority inthat book, lot of people read it as
stories that it can be interpretedor, you know, different types of or
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things that they don't take serious.
I take everything serious inthere because I know it's a
translation of power and authority.
So when I'm serving God versus servingthe world, I have clear instruction.
This would be great for you.
So I went to Fort Worth, Texaswith my wife about two weeks ago.
We wanted to go see JonathanShuttlesworth and Dr.
Paul Anici, who has thebiggest church in the world.
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called the Glory Dome.
It's a hundred thousand person ministry.
If God's going to give you a hundredthousand people to minister on a
Sunday, there's power in that guy.
an anointing all over him.
Yeah.
And I saw it and felt it.
I saw miracles and people being healed.
And I know, you know, like my mom, who'snot really big on her faith, you know,
she'd be like, , they must've been like,in the audience and they picked them out.
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I'm like, no, God has powerand he will do things.
But that's the end of there.
He talked about rightinto the book of Genesis.
And he said, Adam was givenclear instruction by the Lord.
Remember Adam was first and theLord gave him clear instruction.
He gave him leadership.
Adam knew what to do and what not to do.
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And he was very clear onhis commands from God.
And because he followed the commandsof his father in heaven, He wanted
to stay obedient, not because he wasscared, but because he knew that his
father cared for him and it would givehim the best direction in his life.
Then Eve came.
Now, here's what I unpacked fromwhat the pastor told us, is that
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The devil didn't go to Adam.
devil went to the woman because thewoman didn't have clear instruction.
Because Adam fell short in leadershipand thought that because he knew
the clear instructions of Godthat his wife would know the clear
instructions in God, and she didn't.
And because he played subtletiesin that area, the devil whispered
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in her ear gave her confusion.
And in the confusion, she went and didsomething outside of God's perfect order.
So the fall happened.
So what I learned from that is Peoplewill whisper lies in your ear to
misdirect you from what things thatGod is trying to whisper into your ear.
And as men, the lack of leadershipin our own personal life will be
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the lack of leadership that haseverything around us fall apart.
If your wife doesn't think that you're alegacy builder, a chain breaker, Right?
A miracle maker.
She ain't gonna follow you.
And then the kids are gonna lookat you in a different way and
they're gonna side with the mother.
Now the whole dynamic is off.
But if the leadership is strong, thena woman is happy to submit in a healthy
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way because she trusts that the husbandhas the best interest and the best tools
to carry the name and the legacy to aplace that she couldn't do by herself.
is why a partnership makes sense.
So leadership is really tied to howwell you lead yourself, but also
how well you lead others around you.
If you lack integrity, then guess what?
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The people around you areprobably going to lack integrity.
Moussa Mikhail (11:55):
I love that.
Jerold Limongelli (11:56):
you have bad standards, poopy standards, you want
to sleep in, you don't want to get up.
You don't want to do things.
You don't want to tithe your money.
You want to be like this,that, and all that stuff.
You're gonna see it all aroundyou there's no example because
Eve didn't have the example.
Moussa Mikhail (12:13):
Where that was beautifully said, but where do you
see men, the modern man failingthe most in leading themselves?
Jerold Limongelli (12:23):
Shame.
They're afraid to admit they're broken.
They're afraid to admitthey're struggling.
They're afraid to admit thatthey're watching pornography in the
background, that they're masturbatingin quiet times, that they're looking
at other women on Instagram, thatthey have lustful behaviors, that
they are not sharing their finances.
their heart is turning in different ways.
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They're afraid to say it.
the devil keeps it asa dirty little secret.
And then that dirty little secretcompounds and that compounding
effect gets them to believea lie that they're no good.
So why change?
I really think it's a, it's a seed that'sso powerfully planted in the minds of men
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they don't understand that it says, see,remember I said, just go back to the word.
What does it say in the word?
If you confess your sinsto another man, right?
They'll be freedom.
Moussa Mikhail (13:15):
Yeah,
Jerold Limongelli (13:15):
Okay.
So what do you think God's?
That's why we do the work we're doingwith Weatherford, Steve Weatherford
and getting these guys together thesecret gets aired out, but then the
healing comes in from the Holy Ghost.
It's no longer a secret.
It's a moment to heal it's amoment for other men to hear it.
So breakthrough happens andit's like a domino effect.
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I think men got to get real.
I think they got to get realwith themselves first and
they got to get real with God.
Not from a religious way, right?
Because people merge religion andrelationship and there's two very
different variables right there.
Religion is fear based.
It gets you in a series ofrules and do good or stuff.
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is come to your daddy andyou say, look, I messed up.
Now I know there's going tobe a little cost to pay, but
teach me how to be better.
Men need to go to other men.
Men need mentors.
Men need coaches.
Men need leaders to say, I'mnot really showing up here.
I could see it.
My wife's not, my wife'snot trusting my leadership.
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There's something, itcan't be her all the time.
Show me where I'm falling short.
Now, give me correction and let me grow.
Moussa Mikhail (14:30):
that's huge, man.
I think that ties into the biggestthing in growth in general is the
humility aspect, like to humbleourselves to that point where we can.
Confess that to another brother, you know,or to humble ourselves and see like how am
I falling short as a man or as a leader?
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Why can't I lead well and the humilityaspect also opens the light opens
the door For you to invite God in
Jerold Limongelli (15:02):
Yes.
Moussa Mikhail (15:03):
says he's at the door.
He's knocking but we'renot letting them in
Jerold Limongelli (15:08):
You know, I, I also think that men have forgotten.
I, this is something I've learned.
helped me.
I still am growing into some areas of mylife where I want to apply this knowledge.
And I hope this lands forany of your listeners.
It's they're listening to this.
A lot of people don't understandwhen it says the power of life and
death is in your tongue, right?
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And that the living word of God islike a sword that pierces through
the heart of the opposition.
Right?
So you got to like, don't just readthese things, like think about it.
It says meditate on my word.
Right?
So I started thinking, thenI realized Wait a minute.
The minute I declared Jesus ismy Lord and Savior, and I went
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underneath the water, it says youare a new, NEW creature in Christ.
No longer the same.
Think of, new means completely different.
New.
So whatever sin I was living in, heremoved it because of the shedding
of the blood on the cross, right?
This is why he went up thereand shed the innocent blood,
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because he washed my sin away.
Now watch this.
no longer living in sin, right?
So that means I'm not a sinner.
Okay.
So what happens when people say,well, you can't be perfect, right?
Because you come out of order,come out of obedience with God.
So you fall to sin.
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So I said, okay, wait a minute.
So all the things that I was tellingmyself, you know, I did this, I
did that, or even break it down.
People say, I grew up in trauma.
My dad wasn't around.
I got hit.
You are putting these things over you.
But the minute you wentunder the water and came out,
you're no longer those things.
You're a new creature in Christ, soyou're washed new, you're washed clean.
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why aren't we speaking powerand authority over ourselves?
Why aren't we saying thegood news in the scriptures?
aren't we saying I'minheriting a royal priesthood?
Why aren't I saying that the kingdomthat is in heaven is the same on earth?
Why am I waiting for prosperitywhen he already gave it to me?
Why am I waiting for healingwhen he's already healed me?
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See, remember the devil is acraftiest creature in the garden.
So he gets in your mind because hecan't occupy you anymore, right?
You can't, you're not occupied,but he can get in here and start
confusing you to think That you'renot who God has already said you are.
So when I started living from powerand authority from glory to glory,
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I got out of being broke busted anddisgusted and I started getting into
bold, sold and told, anointed andappointed, blessed and highly favored.
started declaring the promises thatGod had already said for me, to me.
You know, even the basic thingslike if you had a rich auntie,
when do you get the inheritance?
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When she dies.
Moussa Mikhail (18:04):
hmm.
Jerold Limongelli (18:05):
He went to the cross.
He said, it is done.
Check was written.
Cash it.
So men, I think, forget the power
Moussa Mikhail (18:15):
That's good.
That's
Jerold Limongelli (18:16):
Right?
They forget.
And they start identifying.
I'm a sinner.
I'm a pervert.
Right?
I'm addicted to porn.
I'm addicted to pills.
I can't kick the lust.
I'm on phone calls withthousands of guys a month.
They're all saying the same thing, right?
I'm angry.
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I grew up angry.
My dad was angry.
So now I'm angry.
It must be a generational curse.
No, it's broken.
So I think it's about learningto take your power back, learning
to take your authority back, andbeing in partnership with the Lord.
Because we, in the flesh, cannot dothings that require heavenly wisdom.
Moussa Mikhail (18:57):
so good, man I want I want to ask you like what
practical steps do you take dailyto align your words with that faith?
So you can walk in that authority.
Jerold Limongelli (19:12):
Well, one, it's very crucial to be in the Word, right?
If you don't get in the Word,how are you going to know the
voice of your Father in Heaven?
never hear him.
Second thing is I think it'simportant to look at who's around you.
Who are the people thatare speaking into your ear?
Remember it said the devilwhispered into her ear.
Don't think he ain'twhispering day to day at you.
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So I made sure that I started aligningmyself and surrounding myself with
people who share my values, who sharemy hunger for the Lord, and who could be
representations of where I'm trying to go.
So I made sure I found the right peoplearound me and I, and not that I, I
don't like the word eliminate, but Idistanced myself from people who did
not share the same value system that Idid because that's the integrity piece.
Moussa Mikhail (20:00):
Yeah.
Jerold Limongelli (20:01):
That's how you just, that's how you're going
to distinguish your integrity.
People might not like you, butthey'll respect you when you're bold.
So I think it's getting into the word.
I also think it's surroundingyourself with the right group of
men, the right group of people.
Okay.
That's fine.
And then I also think.
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There's really good practice in whatI do is reflection pieces, right?
Learn to manage yourself.
Some people get hot headed.
Some people get passive.
Some people explode.
Some people suppress.
Learn about yourself, right?
Get your emotional EQ, youremotional intelligence tested.
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Go get a therapist.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Start managing your mindset,your emotions, and see what
triggers you, and then explore it.
Why is this bothering me?
And then guess what?
Listen, I'm a Christian.
It's quite obvious.
So when that happens, I askedthe Lord to search my heart.
So I stopped myself.
I think it was earlier today.
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I was driving somewhere and I sawlike, like a payment come in and I
thought it was going to be more again,member things of the world, right?
Ecclesiastes, how crazyis a payment comes in.
like, you gotta be kidding me, man.
Like, and as I was in thecar, I said, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, wait a minute.
Lord, remind me of the strength.
Remind me of the provision.
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Remind me what it says in Jeremiahthat you have plans for me to
prosper, that you will not forsake me.
Lord, search my heart.
Why am I worried when it says thatthe birds will never worry about
what food they're going to eat, northe people should never worry about
what clothes they're going to wear.
Why am I worried?
Remove worrisome and give me power.
Remove worrisome.
Give me authority.
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So I remind myself, but do yousee how I went to the word?
I didn't fantasize my ownmanifestation of I'm in control.
I'm not, but I ask when I need to, when Iwrite asking it, she'll be given knocking
the door, shall be opened upon you.
You just said that, right?
So him search your heart and healthose aspects of yourself because
we do have to live in the world.
We are in a social construct.
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can't just hide in acave and hold a Bible.
You're useless.
God didn't make you for that.
Moussa Mikhail (22:14):
And that's so good.
I think even on the scientific aspectof that is you're literally interrupting
that thought and introducing prayer,
Jerold Limongelli (22:23):
Yeah.
Moussa Mikhail (22:24):
which shapes the fabric of your mind and allows you to rewire it
in a way where it becomes part of you.
Like you, you don't have to think aboutit once you get to that place where
you can just interrupt everything.
With the word of God and pray.
Jerold Limongelli (22:43):
You know, I, I do believe in personal development.
I put out a lot of content where,I mean, I haven't gotten a lot of
people getting crabby at me yet.
And that's okay.
Maybe they will.
But because I'm not like, I don'twant them to think I'm bashing
personal development because Idon't really talk like that anymore.
I used to have like a littlebit of the edge to it because I
had so much fire and conviction.
But now I'm learning thatyou get more bees with honey.
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I've learned to let the Lord, I worked on,I said, Lord, give me better discernment.
Give me better wisdom Jesusdidn't yell at people.
He asked a lot of good questions.
Moussa Mikhail (23:15):
Yeah
Jerold Limongelli (23:16):
was a great listener, right?
He stumped you.
Like he just, whoa, like, you know,so I learned, well, how do I do that?
Right?
Because it's not about convincing.
It's about convicting.
It's about having peoplehave like a moment, right?
With only God can touch them.
And as I started talking about thepersonal development space, you know, I
think there's tools and techniques thatare very, very important to use, right?
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But it could only get you sofar because it's flesh based.
But it says we don't battleprincipalities of darkness, right?
In the flesh it saysthey're in the spirit.
So you have to learn how to tapinto and work through the spirit.
Well, how else are you going to do thatwithout tapping into the Holy Ghost?
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So you could, you could read everybook, psychology book on earth, right?
And you can conceptuallyunderstand that this makes me
angry, but why can't you stop?
Because you have to get a peacethat surpasses understanding.
Moussa Mikhail (24:14):
I love that and for people that might not be born again
at this moment listening to this.
How do they tap into theStrength that is beyond them?
Jerold Limongelli (24:27):
Yeah, what I've learned about people is mostly about
the high, high percentages of everyoneyou meet says they believe in something.
Right?
So they'll say God and whatever Godis to them and that's totally okay
for where they are in their journey.
But what I always say is, you know,whoever's listening out there and they're
listening and they're like, I don't know.
They probably grew up in church orreligious church or, or, you know, how to
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go to a very Brooks Brothers button downchurch with khakis and strict religion
and dragging you through the pews.
That's kind of how I didit a little bit as a kid.
So I get it.
It never seemed relationalor whatever it is.
I always say in your quiettime when no one's around, ask
God to reveal himself to you.
If you want to experience power andglory, you're not going to really get it.
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I mean, let me reframe that.
You could get it from reading.
You could get it from an encounterof just listening to this podcast,
the seed could be planted.
But I believe that an invitation to God'spresence is what convicted me immediately.
Like how it convicted Paul, whowas Saul on the road to Damascus.
I mean, the guy was literallygoing to kill Christians.
Moussa Mikhail (25:34):
Mm hmm.
Jerold Limongelli (25:35):
of the true encounter of the Holy Ghost, the
conviction, the hand of God is real.
Whether your listeners believe it or not,because when I was out in the woods in
Dripping Springs and the Lord put hishand on me, changed my life immediately.
I didn't go back and ponder.
I
Moussa Mikhail (25:52):
Could you tell us a little bit more about that encounter?
That's
Jerold Limongelli (25:57):
yeah, I was, you know, I was out walking in the woods in
Drippen Springs, Texas, minding my ownbusiness, you know, riding my high horse.
And I was listening to somethingon YouTube, the channel changed.
It was Jesus Christ Sermon on the Mount.
I heard a verse that said be leeryof false prophets for they'll
show up in sheep's clothing, butunderneath they're ravenous wolves.
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For a good tree will always bear.
Sorry, for an evil tree will onlybear thorns and thistles, for a
good tree will bear figs and grapes.
And it stopped me.
my tracks and I started thinking like wow,I've traveled the entire world and I've
done all this stuff over like a decadeof searching But why never jesus and then
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I was prompted by the Holy Spirit to godown to this path I went down this path.
I was in a big field Ifelt the presence of God.
Tell me everything that you'relooking for is within me.
Come walk with me and Right when I madethat decision, I said, I believe in Jesus
Christ, the King of Kings, the Lord ofLords, the one and only truth in the way.
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Boom!
Just dropped me to my knees and thepower of the Holy Ghost just touched
me I started weeping and repenting.
In that moment, I either thoughtI did way too much ayahuasca or
DMT that I was going to be in astraight jacket or this was real.
And It was real because the Lord startedworking on me and started revealing his
presence to me with great wisdom andclarity and new vision and new eyes.
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I became a new creature in Christand my whole life changed and I
started pursuing and hungrily pursuingthe Lord And so many miracles and
things have happened in my life.
So much grace and beauty andall the things I've ever wanted.
He's given it to me and more, but he gaveme the one thing I was always looking for.
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I was always hunting for whatdoes it mean to, to love yourself,
but it was self centered.
What does it mean to love yourself?
What I learned was what does itmean to be loved by God, which
means you don't have to try.
You don't have to earn it.
It's given.
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There's freedom
Moussa Mikhail (28:06):
the there's so much freedom in that and for for some of those
who might not understand that conceptBecause that's the whole concept of grace.
That's what the gospel is.
That's what Jesus talked about.
Jerold Limongelli (28:20):
Yeah.
Moussa Mikhail (28:21):
What's your advice to someone who might be stuck in
the paradigm of they need to doand earn God's love and grace?
Jerold Limongelli (28:34):
You know, it's a tough one, man.
That's a good, it's a very good question.
I'm not sure if you cantell those people something.
I think it's them being willingto explore a new perspective.
Like why are you holding, Imean, again, it's just crazy.
I just started reading that, that thebook of Ecclesiastes and everything.
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You're saying it just, the Lord'sjust given me heavenly wisdom.
And you just keep saying like, Why areyou, why are you so excited about holding
on to things that are temporary, when Iwant to give you things that are eternal?
So it goes back to what you askedme, how do you stay integrous,
right, in a world that's so insane?
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I'm only focused on an audience ofone who tells me everything that
I'm telling you to do, will give youeverything you want, and it's eternal.
Why, like, I used to be the guy thatwas like, dude, it'd be so cool to get a
McLaren and maybe put it on my Instagram.
Now I see those people no judgment.
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I just look at it and go, eh,
Moussa Mikhail (29:42):
Vanity.
Jerold Limongelli (29:43):
good for you.
Moussa Mikhail (29:45):
said.
Jerold Limongelli (29:47):
It's
Moussa Mikhail (29:47):
Everything is vanity.
Jerold Limongelli (29:49):
like I was just saying to my friend, like things I dream about
is like being able to make so much moneythat I could tithe the billion dollars
to me.
That's like what a baller does.
Moussa Mikhail (30:03):
Yeah,
Jerold Limongelli (30:03):
And you guess what?
You don't say anything.
You just let your Papa in heaven.
No.
Moussa Mikhail (30:09):
that's beautiful, man.
I want, I want to ask you, because Iwas, I was with you in a little bit
in that self development journey,
Jerold Limongelli (30:18):
Oh yeah.
Moussa Mikhail (30:19):
and I came to that point where I'm like,
I'm reading all these books.
I've read like hundreds, like hundredsof books, and I get value out of it,
because I'm just wired that way thatI'm going to learn from anything,
even if it's a terrible book.
Jerold Limongelli (30:34):
Yeah.
Moussa Mikhail (30:35):
could learn what not to say or what not to do or how that
doesn't align with certain things.
But there was a certain point whereI grew up in that religion and I
was just like, I need to, I needto know what Jesus really said.
Jerold Limongelli (30:47):
Yeah.
Moussa Mikhail (30:48):
And I think that goes back to your point.
Or how do you know God'svoice if you've never read it?
Jerold Limongelli (30:58):
That's.
Moussa Mikhail (30:58):
was I gonna know what Jesus taught if I'd
never sat down and read it wordfor word in any of the Gospels?
Jerold Limongelli (31:05):
Or if you don't pray,
Moussa Mikhail (31:07):
Exactly.
Jerold Limongelli (31:09):
because see, this is, you're nailing it.
This is the relationship part.
This gets you out of the do gooders,out of the, the, the people who
say, I did X, I did Y, I did Z.
I'm good.
Moussa Mikhail (31:21):
Then I never knew you.
Jerold Limongelli (31:22):
dude, that's when you said that made my hair go.
That's my biggest fear.
And I know that I'm a rebuke thatspirit of, of fear out of me right now.
In Jesus mighty name, but that I'llget up there in front of him and
he'll be like, yo, you did all thethings, bro, but you never knew me.
Moussa Mikhail (31:39):
Yeah, Matthew 7.
Jerold Limongelli (31:40):
That's harsh.
Moussa Mikhail (31:41):
I think that one shook me the most.
Jerold Limongelli (31:44):
me the most.
It's harsh because it shows itshows his his righteous anger,
Moussa Mikhail (31:49):
Yeah.
Jerold Limongelli (31:50):
understand.
They think he's like a floatingaround a fluffy cloud up there.
No, he's he's righteousand he has righteous anger.
Meaning like if you, if you, if you'regoing to be out, basically what he's
saying is like, yo, you played me.
You were out there fooling everyoneon earth, but you ain't fooling me.
You never knew me.
You didn't come to me.
You didn't pray with me.
You didn't prophesy.
You didn't come to me.
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You just did all the showstoppers.
That also reflects like alot of how people show up.
Isn't that interesting?
Right?
look good.
They
Moussa Mikhail (32:20):
What
Jerold Limongelli (32:21):
good.
They get good.
They act good.
But behind
Moussa Mikhail (32:23):
was it for?
Jerold Limongelli (32:25):
behind closed doors It's hard out there, man, especially
being a man, you know, women will sayit's so hard being a woman probably is.
I'm not a woman.
I can't speak for that.
But I know for a man, if you reallywant to be a real biblical man of God,
it's not easy in this terrain out here.
Moussa Mikhail (32:41):
It's war.
Jerold Limongelli (32:43):
It's every day.
There's temptation every day.
I'm married.
And I tell my wife all the time.
I said, the biggestbattleground is the gym.
It's like insane.
I just want to go work out.
I don't want to be tempted.
I don't want to see half nakedgirls like doing things like that,
but that's the world we live in.
You can't tell them you shouldn't do that.
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should be more disciplined,keep my eyes more concealed,
set better parameters, right?
I just feel like everywherewe go, you get on Instagram,
you go anywhere, you do this.
It's become normalized to bea person that lacks integrity,
that has a strong moral ethic.
It's like, yo, weirdo,I'm like, am I that weird?
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You know, I think it also, it's just alandscape of what men are perceiving as,
as a standard has, I think has shifted,but now it's shifting back into it.
I think men are starting to have a hungeragain for God because they're learning
that all the accomplishments and thingsand the medals and the awards don't do it.
(33:49):
And you still have that Godsize hole in your heart.
Moussa Mikhail (33:53):
Yeah,
that's huge, man.
Man, I just, I feel, I resonate witheverything that we've been talking
about here, because it's, I thinkit's, it's a common experience for men.
Jerold Limongelli (34:08):
Yeah,
Moussa Mikhail (34:09):
You know, it's not unique necessarily.
I mean, it might appear to be,and there's going to be unique.
Encounters and unique obstacles andchallenges, but fundamentally we were
created to love and to be loved by God.
Jerold Limongelli (34:27):
absolutely.
I think it's also importantthat you said, like, you know,
it's like iron sharpens iron.
I know it's catchy.
I hear it all the time, but it's true.
You know, we need to sharpen each other.
We need to have conversations like this.
We need to put ourselvesin accountability circles.
You know, we need to be, we need tokeep each other integrous, right?
We need to reveal to one another froma loving place because wives or your
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girlfriends or what I'm gonna speak itthe way I want is like our wives, right?
If you're, if you have a girlfriend,your girlfriend shouldn't be
overseeing your life in that capacity.
You're not wed yet.
You're not one flesh.
But when you have a wife, she should notbecome the emotional pincushion to you.
Like guys coming home andventing and talking about their
day and huffing and puffing.
That's not what yourwife wants to do, bro.
(35:15):
Your wife wants to be nurtured and loved.
So you got to learn to offload that.
You have to learn to go to your men.
You have to go to your tribe.
You have to get correct.
So when you go home,you're still the leader.
Moussa Mikhail (35:25):
I love that man.
Jerold Limongelli (35:26):
Yeah,
Moussa Mikhail (35:27):
And as we, as we wrap this up, cause I could talk to you for
six hours straight and do like a doubleJoe Rogan podcast or something, but
Jerold Limongelli (35:34):
of those one day.
Moussa Mikhail (35:36):
yeah, but for who you were before you felt the hand of God.
Jerold Limongelli (35:44):
Lord,
Moussa Mikhail (35:45):
We don't want to go there, but
Jerold Limongelli (35:46):
forgive me.
Moussa Mikhail (35:47):
if you had to give that person some advice
on how to be truly transformed.
What would you say?
Jerold Limongelli (35:55):
Man, you've gotten good with the questions, man.
You always had good questions, but nowthey're like really good questions.
Moussa Mikhail (36:01):
to step it up, man?
I'm doing this for God now.
Remember
Jerold Limongelli (36:03):
That's right.
You know, that's interesting because Imeet young people and it's like I want
to shake them like a Raggedy Ann doll.
It's like, can't you just figure it outthen I think about me because I'm so,
you, when you're young you're stubborn.
You think you know everything.
I'm not sure if I would tell theyoung person, the young me, anything.
(36:24):
You know what I would do?
I'd become the example ofwhat he saw as possibility.
I think when you're youngand you start telling people
things, like a parental wound.
Like, I'm gonna tell you what to do.
But what happens if we change the dialogueto, I'm gonna show you what's possible.
(36:44):
And the fruit of my life is sotasty that you're gonna want it too.
And I think that's
Moussa Mikhail (36:51):
that's
Jerold Limongelli (36:52):
did.
He didn't like say, you know, listen,he gave commands, but he showed you
what his holy life looked like, whatforgiveness looks like, what grace
look like, what repentance look like,
Moussa Mikhail (37:06):
Yeah.
Jerold Limongelli (37:07):
look like, right?
So you wanted it.
Moussa Mikhail (37:11):
That's more of like, don't preach the gospel, but be the gospel.
Jerold Limongelli (37:15):
Exactly.
There's a time for preaching, right?
And there's
Moussa Mikhail (37:18):
There you
Jerold Limongelli (37:19):
for being on how
Moussa Mikhail (37:22):
got to hear it.
Jerold Limongelli (37:23):
right?
There's some guys that have beencalled to stand on the street
corners and just cast it down.
And there's some people thatare made to be in the pulpit.
And there's some people thatare made to be on a podcast.
All right.
He'll use it all.
Moussa Mikhail (37:37):
I love you, Jerold
Jerold Limongelli (37:38):
you too.
Moussa Mikhail (37:40):
How can people who are listening connect with you and what
else do you what else are you working on
Jerold Limongelli (37:47):
Yeah.
Moussa Mikhail (37:48):
can really serve other people right now?
Jerold Limongelli (37:51):
Amazing.
Well, thank you for that.
Instagram is always great.
I love it when the people reach out.
I try to get back to you right away.
I'm sure you'll put it in the,in the description so you can
just reach out to me on IG.
Just shoot me a message.
I get back to you as quickly as I can.
As far as what I'm up to, youknow, besides working on a bunch
of different businesses, I think.
You know, the one thing that's reallybeen just exciting and amazing to work
(38:13):
on is the work I'm doing with SteveWeatherford and champions in Christ.
So helping him build out all his, youknow, faith based leadership programs
where we're really helping men step intoleadership so they can lead in their
business, families, and communities.
And I've just been gung ho abouthis in person event called launching
pad that he does once a month.
(38:34):
in Dallas, Texas, where we get about 25men together to have just a real physical
manifestation and encounter with theHoly Ghost and just have rapid healing
through physical discipline, spiritualauthority, and emotional healing.
And it's just been incredible.
so I know we're going to launch awhole bunch of them in the new year.
We're wrapping up thelast one in November.
(38:55):
I don't know when this comes out,but man, that's just been incredible.
I was with my wife.
Dallas at 11, church 1132.
The pastor randomly prophesied to meto, merge my business and my ministry.
And I feel like that work reallygets to do that where I get to bring
a kingdom skill set in businessinto, my faith and love for the
(39:19):
Lord and allow, allow that to merge.
So that's been a really beautiful thing.
And I'm just excited to see howthe Lord will unfold that in
all his glory in the new year.
Moussa Mikhail (39:29):
I love them.
And I'm going to have to partake in that.
Jerold Limongelli (39:31):
got to come
Moussa Mikhail (39:32):
I've been due for a Dallas trip to,
Jerold Limongelli (39:34):
Let's go.
You'll be always be my guest.
Moussa Mikhail (39:36):
Hey man, I love you so much.
Thank you for taking the time out.
I used to tell people this back in myold podcast, but it still reigns true.
The greatest gift I feel we cangive is our time and our energy.
So
Jerold Limongelli (39:46):
Praise God.
Moussa Mikhail (39:47):
you for doing that.
My brother
Jerold Limongelli (39:49):
You're welcome.
Thanks for having me.
It's an honor.
Thank you for tuning in.
Be a light and share this withsomeone you love and care about.
And please subscribe and leave areview so we can reach more people.
And remember, do not conform tothe pattern of this world, but be
transformed by the renewing of your mind.
Then you will be able to testand approve what God's will is.
(40:13):
His good, pleasing, and perfect will.
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