December 25, 2024 • 29 mins
Scerry Christmas, and welcome back to The Inpatient - in the part 2, we explore the sanatorium after chaos has taken over, learning more about what may have happened. Meeting up with other survivors, we attempt to make it out alive. Don't forget to watch or play along - gameplay is posted weekly on our YouTube channel where we also have new video episodes! You can also find us on our website, Instagram, Twitter, and Reddit. Please consider supporting Eggy Toast here if you enjoyed the music in this episode.
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Merry Christmas our scary Christmas. Hope everyone had a great day yesterday and today
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Excited to be done
Final game final episode besides our wrap-up. Yes
We're excited. It's been a crazy year. We're ready to regroup
Let's just do the out-of-context summary then I admit they're not the best
They're not the best this time in this episode. We end up on the Tower of Terror
Gordon officially loses it all of it and you Suzanne
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She tries to leave us
Multiple times like she's all for it. I'm glad Abe doesn't end up with her
But well situation is is worse off
Thank you for coming back from our replay reviews, my name is Leah and my name is Kathy
We are two friends who are here to replay review and analyze your favorite video games and since Kathy has never seen the games before
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It helps me view them through her fresh eyes almost like I'm discovering them again for the first time
We hope will be a similar experience for you
We pick up where we left off with a David having jump scared us
He leads us somewhere through through the sanatorium on the way. He mentions that somebody called the cops
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I'm very curious who called the cops whoever called the cops. They really should warn them about
these
Wendigos and these crazy things happening. I
Assumed that the cops were called because of the mistreatment
But I don't know now you raise a good point was this prayer post to when to go I don't know and
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And then further along we also see the same when to go video that we saw as Mike from until dawn
I like seeing all the old like the old stuff
We see a couple notes later on that we saw from until dawn
Some locations that we've seen
It's a great tie between the two games that if you didn't know they're related that connection is a great refresher
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David takes us to Bragg's office where Bragg Suzanne and dr. Gordon are
What the heck?
Where did he come from and we thought he died like right? That's your reaction. Not that he's a doctor
well
Yeah, but at the same I mean like I
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Thought he was dead and now he shows up as a doctor and then yeah thing is that this is the guy who
Looked terrible like he looks sick. The guy was starving
This is why I question how long our cell door has been open because like you said he doesn't look as
Horrible
Yeah, as you did when we last saw him, but then later Suzanne will say something about to him about like oh you must be malnourished
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I don't think it's been
Months since he got out. I don't think it's been weeks
But I think he's it's maybe been days since he got out and we've just been losing our mind in ourselves still
About dr. Gordon Bragg says the deception was necessary
Was it and he also says I thought I could write the ship so seems to me like he knows he he did some things
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Incorrectly, I want to know what he's thinking is wrong. Like did he know that these people
Would become when to go like you know what I'm saying is that what do you think was wrong my first reaction?
I think he saw the direction that things were heading that like these miners were
Getting too strong to be contained and he thought he could control it
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Maybe he thought he could make it better, but he was too stupid to realize that this is not an illness
Okay, so they decide they should go to the chapel, but Bragg doesn't want to leave Suzanne tries to convince him a bit
Why does she going on there? Yeah, she in love with them or something
Maybe that's why she turned Abe down so quickly. Yeah something about it
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We're going to leave and as dr. Gordon
I don't know I keep saying it like that as he walks out Bragg says to him be careful with your chart
The right information at the wrong time can turn apples to sad
What I'm still confused by that. I don't know and Gordon's reaction is kind of what I think ours is
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I don't know what the hell that's supposed to mean. Yeah, don't forget who's really responsible for all this
Did Gordon choose to like volunteer to be locked in there or do you think he was forced?
I think he drew the short straw
That's my impression a doctor had to go in there and it just happened to fall on him
throughout this entire
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Walking through the maze finding the doctor having these conversations we get
Moments of like random blackouts with the weird like a swooshing
echoey sound I
Don't know what that is. Do you think it's just him still being malnourished and
just trying to make it through but suffering mental lapse of of something
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We hear like quotes that we've heard
especially in the flashbacks
It seems like it's quotes from those. So I think it's whatever the treatment they were doing to like
Erase his memory. I think it's the effects of that sort of wearing
Off maybe and he's starting to remember things on the way to the chapel. We find the same note carved into the wall that we saw an until dawn
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The how many days will they keep us here? The number of days tallied on the wall is nine
That gives us a little help with our timeline
Anything before we have to cross to the chapel? Nope
So soon we have to cross out of the chapel
To the chapel facing a wendigo on the way but before we cross we see a flashback showing brag leaving the chapel saying
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stuff of nonsense
Once in the chapel we meet ted ted mosley a father who tells us about the wendigo and that brag didn't believe him about them
He says of the hospital staff they still don't believe him
They still think it's an infection and he also makes it sound like there's a bunch of people who are alive who are in like the admin room
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So there's
More people than just the five that we see here
Any other reactions so far to this to this moment to father mosley?
I kind of trust him like compared to the rest of the people
I didn't the fact that he
Knew that building here wasn't a good idea. He tried to warn people that immediately just strikes trust between
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Us as the players in him
He seems to care about what happens to us and he's not being stupid and pretending like he this isn't something bigger than
Than them that they can control stupid tests and stuff
Wandering around the chapel. We jump start another flashback, which shows the
Mentioned conversation disagreement that uh father mosley talked about between him and brag. He's warning brag that he's playing with fire
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We go to sleep. We wake up to see that the police have arrived
And they're shooting everyone one of them says something about you can't just shoot into a crowd like that. So
Oops, i'm confused. Like my first reaction was like, oh no, the wendigo is how do you know that?
And then they're shooting them, but then it's like it's not and then it confirms that they're doing something
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Bad when ted asks us to help open the door
And david just yells right after we watch the police shoot down a woman and
There's part of me that's wondering. Oh, he's trying to put her out of her misery. But at the same time it's
It's not like they're trying to kill her
It's done with malicious intent with everyone around them. I think it's a combination
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Okay based off of what we hear we hear wendigo's
Shrieking and stuff and screaming people screaming. So I think what happened is the police arrive. There's survivors. Then there's wendigo
They just shoot into the crowd and
Innocent people get shot including this nurse because we hear
The police are like, oh my god, they're shooting me
They really are. So wendigo, they just shoot into the crowd and
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Innocent people get shot including this nurse because we hear her like
in pain, they shoot her partially out of putting her out of her misery, but partially because
She saw that they just shot people whether or not it was on purpose
And then when david is an idiot
And blows our cover we get shot up because now we're witnesses
that they're like, oh shit, we gotta clean this up
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and double down on the mess.
Yeah.
Our group makes a run for it after getting shot at.
We eventually make it to the tunnels to catch our breath.
And this is where Gordon starts to just really lose it.
He's convinced he's hearing voices.
No one else hears them.
And then he's kinda agitated,
shoves Father Mosley and just takes off.
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We follow as the police are trying
to break the door down behind us.
I guess we fell and hit our heads,
so we're kind of slow to get up.
And Suzanne is like, you know, we could just leave you here.
Come on, shut up, Suzanne.
Suzanne.
Why was she so eager to save Braggs,
but so eager to let us die?
Yeah, exactly.
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Come on, Suzanne.
They mention Victor a lot as they're walking
through the tunnels towards the hotel.
He looks familiar from Until Dawn.
Who is he?
I couldn't remember who he was from Until Dawn.
And I'm starting to get more bits and pieces
as we watch the game and as he shows up in more memories.
But yeah, I don't know.
Okay, so he's Victor Milgram,
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who you'll remember from the articles, the Hotel Janitor.
Yeah, the Janitor didn't have a burning question about him.
Yeah, and it was like, who is he, what is this?
And my answer was, maybe we'll find out more,
but I think he's just like Josh's character,
which I still think is true because in the flashbacks,
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he's wearing a similar overalls to Josh.
So I think Josh is still kind of using that story,
which is a true story, but using it as his movie script,
prank script as his villain.
Because he does set Victor up as someone
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who could be the potential killer
to all these mysterious events happening in Until Dawn.
So I could see where you're going with it.
And I do have some more questions about him.
We're gonna learn a lot more about him pretty quickly.
So we see more familiar locations on our way.
We find a newspaper which unlocks another memory.
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A man, which we now know as Victor says,
I'm telling you, this sort of press
really gets on the bright skin.
I'd advise you to be careful.
Reactions yet, or are we holding them?
Let's hold them, I'm gonna bunch them.
Okay.
We then soon happen upon Gordon again.
He's being a bit odd,
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but he does apologize for his earlier behavior.
Now would be a great time to tell the father
if you ate human or not.
Yeah.
Unlocking another memory.
I believe we actually say to Victor, that's everything.
And then Victor responds, well now, doctor.
And then think he cheers us.
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I can only hope you have better luck than the last guy.
Okay, so Victor is doing something
that he's not supposed to be doing.
What's going on?
Farther along still,
some laundry unlocks yet another memory.
Victor is holding up a doctor's coat and says,
you need one of these, help you blend in.
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Try it on for size.
So we're not really a doctor.
Yeah, yeah.
And we're obviously doing something
with the help of Victor that someone else has attempted to do,
but we don't know what.
I'm really curious how long it took our character
to get caught.
Are we ready for scene three?
Okay, now in the hotel,
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we sneak by some police until the elevator.
Gordon is starting to look really not good.
Once we're in the elevator,
the police take some shots at us,
but we make it to the second floor.
However, the gunfire has caused the gate to be stuck,
so we can't get out.
And then someone calls the elevator back down.
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The door's open to fog.
I think it's some sort of gas
because some of us start coughing.
And soon a masked man appears,
but he's attacked and then another guy's attacked
and shoved up against the elevator gate by a one to go.
We hit the button as fast as we can.
I hit the basement.
Ted's not happy about it.
He's pissed off that I sent us to the basement
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because that's where the police were.
The door's open.
There are police there,
but then Gordon freaks out and just demolishes them.
Okay, so I think safe to say we're a one to go.
I can't believe Ted didn't say anything about like,
ah, that's what I was expecting.
That's what I learned about.
Yeah.
But also-
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He was like, I have to keep an eye on you,
but he didn't do anything else.
Exactly.
So question is, if Gordon is a one to go,
he had to eat some human flesh.
So who did he eat?
I think it was the cockroach.
Really?
You think a cockroach is enough to turn him?
I don't think it was actually a cockroach
because I played this twice
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and I ate the cockroach the second time.
And that time I turned into a one to go.
Oh.
What the cockroach is, a toe, a finger, who's it from?
I don't know.
Is that what was thrown through the window?
Which makes a great point
because the cockroaches could just be a hallucination.
We see them crawling all up the wall
and so we know there isn't that many cockroaches.
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So whatever he was holding, okay, that makes sense.
Also, I can't believe I'm talking about cannibalism
so casually.
I also liked that he ate it and was like,
oh, it's delicious.
It's even worse now.
Yeah, no, no.
It's bad enough when we thought it was a cockroach.
Ugh.
Okay.
Anyway.
Where did he get that, quote unquote,
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cockroach from?
Where'd it come from?
It's Abe.
Did he cut our toe off?
Did he cut his toe off?
Does it count as cannibalism
if you're eating your own body parts?
I feel like that's doubling down.
That's like. Yeah.
It's not a question I wanna talk about.
Yeah.
What about people who drink their own pee?
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Okay, okay.
We're moving on. We gotta end the conversation here.
Okay.
So Gordon is still somewhat normal
and yells at us in a weird double voice
to get out of there.
We don't hesitate.
We hit the button for the second floor,
but it stopped at the first floor.
Victor's dead.
After seeing that, we continue on to the second floor.
We're at the cable car station for the hotel.
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We see another memory of Victor saying.
Nice to know that all are welcome.
Even hot shit report notes.
Not a word of me in your story, or there's no deal.
Questions answered.
Yes.
The way Victor phrased it in the beginning,
saying that hopefully you're gonna be better off
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than the previous guys.
How many people have heard of this and have come here
to learn about it and reached out to Victor for help?
Which is now giving me a lot of whistleblower vibes.
And so another connection between Supermassive Games
and Red Barrels.
Yes, I have follow-ups to both of that.
So there's that news article about a reporter
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that was assaulted.
Obviously that's not us, because we're still here.
There's no news.
So I think the other guy that he mentions
is that person that was assaulted.
We come in, we pretend to be a doctor with Victor's help.
We talk to Billy Bates or poke in our nose around
for who knows how long.
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And then if you remember that flashback,
the clipboard one where we hold a clipboard,
and Victoria walks up saying, hey doctor,
and then goes, uh, Abe?
She realizes that she doesn't know who we are.
And then that's when we go and hide in the closet.
And so then she and Abe are looking for us.
Abe finds us in the closet, and that's that memory
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that we were seeing at the beginning of the game.
And then we get put into treatment to erase our memory.
So that we can't whistleblow.
Okay, so I was partially correct in thinking
that we're constantly getting fed something
to repress our memories.
And the reason why is because we saw something
we shouldn't have seen.
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And that's why Gordon's kept in the same room as us
to make sure we don't remember.
Okay, that makes sense.
The Outlast connection.
My note is this game is so Outlast adjacent.
We may as well be miles up sure.
And this should have just been another Outlast game
or a crossover.
Like it's so similar.
So then Ted insists that he stay behind
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to operate the cable car.
We try to do it for him, but he says no.
So then I guess we, David and Suzanne are just free.
We get in the cable car and he sends it down.
I don't understand why the father wants to stay behind.
He knows he's gonna die, right?
I think he's just a good guy.
Well, I don't understand why he didn't go with them
to spread knowledge among the people saying,
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like, this is a bad place.
Like he could have done something proactive.
Maybe he just assumes no one will listen,
but probably he wasn't fully thinking it through
in that situation either.
But Ted's cool.
Yeah.
What a guy.
We're now being interrogated by a cop
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who is bent on covering up the killing of innocents
at the sanatorium.
We refuse to play along and then we're condemned
to being sent back to Blackwood sanatorium.
We come to an iPad cell where we hallucinate,
I think, the Machu Picchu.
Machu Picchu.
It looks like him, right?
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There's like this spiky things on him.
It does, but like how did he get there?
Just the spirit maybe.
Who's he?
Wait, us or the Wendigo?
The Machu Picchu guy.
God, what a, I don't even know how to spell it.
I don't know how to spell it.
The Machu Picchu.
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The Machu Picchu.
The Machu Picchu, like I get he's a spirit,
but for us as the player, for the main character,
they must have been starving and that's why they see him
or is it that, do you think we've already eaten flesh
and that's why we see him?
Yeah, that's what this game is leading me to believe
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is that just being hungry on Blackwood Mountain
attracts the spirit of the Wendigo.
So you don't even need to be a human flesh-eating person.
I think it might even help you hallucinate in ways
that it tries to convince you to eat human flesh,
like maybe the spirit of the Wendigo
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made it look like a cockroach.
Also more issues with this game.
So in the playthrough where you become a Wendigo,
instead of getting the police interrogation
after credit scene, we're the one chasing Hannah and Beth
from the prologue, which is cool.
And I loved seeing that as a fan of the game,
but it kind of ruins the whole events from the past video
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where a flamethrower guy is talking about tracking
the Machu Picchu as it was stalking Hannah and Beth
because unless the spirit went into us in that moment,
which I guess you could say that,
but it seems like he'd been tracking it for a long time.
So that kind of confuses that, makes that a bit muddier.
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But overall, I feel like this game is fun.
I don't love VR, but despite the controls
and the motion sickness, I think it's a good game.
I think it's a fun game and it adds a lot
to the Until Dawn lore.
Back to your theory about the Machu Picchu thing.
I don't know.
I feel like that's a great way
to tie this prequel game into Until Dawn.
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I wished our ending was that we were able
to disclose it.
I'm curious what would happen
if you told the police officer that,
oh, I'll comply with you, it's not getting out,
and then still release it.
I'd be curious too.
I haven't seen that, but just based off of Until Dawn,
it seems like it doesn't ever get out.
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So I guess my burning question in the end
is that we know he's there and he has memories.
I'm wondering how much he would retain in that memory
if he did become a Wendigo.
We knew that Hannah was able to just because of sheer hate
for what happened to her.
That's another note I had is how we were able
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to survive with the Wendigos.
And I thought back to Hannah recognizing people
and having some sort of memory.
And I was wondering if maybe the Wendigos
remember our character and knew he was trying to help
and that he was a reporter.
So maybe they're letting him live on purpose.
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Okay, and then another question we had at some point
was about timeline.
And we're not gonna get super into it
in terms of this game, but more like,
how long does it take to become a Wendigo?
That was something I know we were a little hung up on.
So I went back to Until Dawn and looked at Hannah's notebook.
And on day 30, she mentions eating Beth.
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On day 33, she's still writing sensically,
still seems pretty human, but mentions feeling different.
And then on day 35, she just writes hungry.
So I think it takes at least five days.
I mean, she was still writing at that point.
So I think she's close to being full Wendigo, but not quite.
We can assume it takes at least five days
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to become a Wendigo.
I don't know if that helps you at all with anything.
I think it does because it shows how small of a timeframe
they had from when they brought the miners
into when everything happens.
My question is how long has their main character
stayed there?
Because it's like January to February.
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So that's like around a month-ish.
The timeline still feels sloppy.
And maybe whatever they were doing to the miners
like slowed down the transformation.
I don't know, but it seems like it went on for a long time.
A surprisingly long time.
My last little afterthought is honestly,
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not enough Wendigo in this game.
There's so many good opportunities to scare me
with a Wendigo in VR.
And I only saw one Wendigo the whole time.
We didn't see that much.
We saw so many until dawn.
And I feel like it's a missed opportunity
because we only get a small glimpse of it
and we don't even learn about the Machu Picchu.
So that would have been a great time
in this game to expand on it.
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What would have been cool as I'm saying this
is if the father had the original journal
that later the stranger got,
that the father was the one
who's been adding more notes to it.
That would be cool.
That would have been cool.
Yeah.
But yeah, just not enough Wendigo.
If you're gonna make a VR horror game about Wendigo,
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have a few, right?
That was my biggest disappointment, I think.
Anything else or should we move on to KFC?
No, let's do KFCs.
So I don't know if you wanna guess who my KFC is
or I should just tell you.
There's not a lot to choose from.
Father Mosley.
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Yes.
Yes.
I just, I kinda liked his relaxed demeanor.
He's very logical and he doesn't panic too much.
I like him.
He did nothing wrong the whole time.
He tried to help everybody.
He sacrificed himself to send us down the mountain.
He tried to warn about the Wendigos.
He did nothing wrong.
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Exactly.
Post-game Kentucky Scorcher.
This is a bit difficult for me.
We don't get a lot of good closeups
and so if you ask me to recognize from a lineup
who I'm about to say, I won't be able to tell you
and that person is David.
I can't tell you what he looks like.
I can't remember it right now
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even though I just saw him 30 minutes ago.
Yeah, okay.
That pooter reindeer.
The notes he left me.
I chose five.
I chose Abe, David, Father Mosley,
the cop that interrogated us,
Victor Milgram and Gordon.
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So here's your notes.
First of all, you said is number five,
that's Victor your favorite.
Why is this image so big?
That's the first thing you notice.
And then you said, so we got number one, Abe,
a dude who's probably going undercover as a waiter
and also wears glasses.
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So I take back my previous comment
about not enough characters wearing glasses.
That was maybe Chris from Until Dawn,
that's why he chose him.
It's so funny because I referenced him as the waiter
in my notes for part one quite frequently.
Number two, David, you said a dude with a flashlight
shining on his face.
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That's all you said.
Three, Father Mosley, a priest with gold chains?
Question mark.
Four, that's the cop, a TSA looking police agent
interrogating someone pretending to be intimidating
but he's not.
Five is Victor Milgram, you said.
What did I say?
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Good God.
A nephew of Mr. Miyagi who went down the path
of being a rebel and a criminal.
I didn't know what this game was gonna be about and.
Clearly not, you kept calling it the Impatient.
I know.
The Impatient.
I know, it took me until watching an hour of this game
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and for you to tell me.
In other words, I would have kept calling it Impatient
and I was waiting to see why someone was so impatient
and I don't understand why I kept reading the N as an M.
So confused.
And then number six, that's Gordon,
the dude from Walking Dead.
I assume you mean they're the main guy.
And then you said, this one's tough.
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I'll choose number two.
This is number two?
First ever.
First time ever.
Even though I think he's a bad guy.
Honestly, I think all these characters might be dead
by the end of the game.
Who chose the non-dead one?
Not bad this time, Kathy.
Yay, first time ever in two seasons.
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Which I think so.
We haven't done this a lot.
But in all the games though,
this is feeling pretty proud of myself right now.
Thankfully there's no stats for you to guess.
So you have no chance of falling on your face
at the end of this episode.
Yeah, I did think that one of the stats
were gonna be about how many dead bodies we see.
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It was way too hard to look at this video to track stuff.
I was like, there's no way.
There's no way.
Well.
With that, you won't hear from us
until the start of the new year.
So have a great new year as well.
Season wrap up comes out, not tomorrow, but next Thursday.
And we'll close out the season.
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Those episodes are always fun.
I'm excited.
Me too.
With that, audacity on one, three, two, one.
Thank you for listening.
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Merry Christmas our scary Christmas. Hope everyone had a great day yesterday and today
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Excited to be done
Final game final episode besides our wrap-up. Yes
We're excited. It's been a crazy year. We're ready to regroup
Let's just do the out-of-context summary then I admit they're not the best
They're not the best this time in this episode. We end up on the Tower of Terror
Gordon officially loses it all of it and you Suzanne
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She tries to leave us
Multiple times like she's all for it. I'm glad Abe doesn't end up with her
But well situation is is worse off
Thank you for coming back from our replay reviews, my name is Leah and my name is Kathy
We are two friends who are here to replay review and analyze your favorite video games and since Kathy has never seen the games before
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It helps me view them through her fresh eyes almost like I'm discovering them again for the first time
We hope will be a similar experience for you
We pick up where we left off with a David having jump scared us
He leads us somewhere through through the sanatorium on the way. He mentions that somebody called the cops
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I'm very curious who called the cops whoever called the cops. They really should warn them about
these
Wendigos and these crazy things happening. I
Assumed that the cops were called because of the mistreatment
But I don't know now you raise a good point was this prayer post to when to go I don't know and
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And then further along we also see the same when to go video that we saw as Mike from until dawn
I like seeing all the old like the old stuff
We see a couple notes later on that we saw from until dawn
Some locations that we've seen
It's a great tie between the two games that if you didn't know they're related that connection is a great refresher
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David takes us to Bragg's office where Bragg Suzanne and dr. Gordon are
What the heck?
Where did he come from and we thought he died like right? That's your reaction. Not that he's a doctor
well
Yeah, but at the same I mean like I
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Thought he was dead and now he shows up as a doctor and then yeah thing is that this is the guy who
Looked terrible like he looks sick. The guy was starving
This is why I question how long our cell door has been open because like you said he doesn't look as
Horrible
Yeah, as you did when we last saw him, but then later Suzanne will say something about to him about like oh you must be malnourished
(02:57):
I don't think it's been
Months since he got out. I don't think it's been weeks
But I think he's it's maybe been days since he got out and we've just been losing our mind in ourselves still
About dr. Gordon Bragg says the deception was necessary
Was it and he also says I thought I could write the ship so seems to me like he knows he he did some things
(03:24):
Incorrectly, I want to know what he's thinking is wrong. Like did he know that these people
Would become when to go like you know what I'm saying is that what do you think was wrong my first reaction?
I think he saw the direction that things were heading that like these miners were
Getting too strong to be contained and he thought he could control it
(03:47):
Maybe he thought he could make it better, but he was too stupid to realize that this is not an illness
Okay, so they decide they should go to the chapel, but Bragg doesn't want to leave Suzanne tries to convince him a bit
Why does she going on there? Yeah, she in love with them or something
Maybe that's why she turned Abe down so quickly. Yeah something about it
(04:10):
We're going to leave and as dr. Gordon
I don't know I keep saying it like that as he walks out Bragg says to him be careful with your chart
The right information at the wrong time can turn apples to sad
What I'm still confused by that. I don't know and Gordon's reaction is kind of what I think ours is
(04:31):
I don't know what the hell that's supposed to mean. Yeah, don't forget who's really responsible for all this
Did Gordon choose to like volunteer to be locked in there or do you think he was forced?
I think he drew the short straw
That's my impression a doctor had to go in there and it just happened to fall on him
throughout this entire
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Walking through the maze finding the doctor having these conversations we get
Moments of like random blackouts with the weird like a swooshing
echoey sound I
Don't know what that is. Do you think it's just him still being malnourished and
just trying to make it through but suffering mental lapse of of something
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We hear like quotes that we've heard
especially in the flashbacks
It seems like it's quotes from those. So I think it's whatever the treatment they were doing to like
Erase his memory. I think it's the effects of that sort of wearing
Off maybe and he's starting to remember things on the way to the chapel. We find the same note carved into the wall that we saw an until dawn
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The how many days will they keep us here? The number of days tallied on the wall is nine
That gives us a little help with our timeline
Anything before we have to cross to the chapel? Nope
So soon we have to cross out of the chapel
To the chapel facing a wendigo on the way but before we cross we see a flashback showing brag leaving the chapel saying
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stuff of nonsense
Once in the chapel we meet ted ted mosley a father who tells us about the wendigo and that brag didn't believe him about them
He says of the hospital staff they still don't believe him
They still think it's an infection and he also makes it sound like there's a bunch of people who are alive who are in like the admin room
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So there's
More people than just the five that we see here
Any other reactions so far to this to this moment to father mosley?
I kind of trust him like compared to the rest of the people
I didn't the fact that he
Knew that building here wasn't a good idea. He tried to warn people that immediately just strikes trust between
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Us as the players in him
He seems to care about what happens to us and he's not being stupid and pretending like he this isn't something bigger than
Than them that they can control stupid tests and stuff
Wandering around the chapel. We jump start another flashback, which shows the
Mentioned conversation disagreement that uh father mosley talked about between him and brag. He's warning brag that he's playing with fire
(07:14):
We go to sleep. We wake up to see that the police have arrived
And they're shooting everyone one of them says something about you can't just shoot into a crowd like that. So
Oops, i'm confused. Like my first reaction was like, oh no, the wendigo is how do you know that?
And then they're shooting them, but then it's like it's not and then it confirms that they're doing something
(07:37):
Bad when ted asks us to help open the door
And david just yells right after we watch the police shoot down a woman and
There's part of me that's wondering. Oh, he's trying to put her out of her misery. But at the same time it's
It's not like they're trying to kill her
It's done with malicious intent with everyone around them. I think it's a combination
(08:00):
Okay based off of what we hear we hear wendigo's
Shrieking and stuff and screaming people screaming. So I think what happened is the police arrive. There's survivors. Then there's wendigo
They just shoot into the crowd and
Innocent people get shot including this nurse because we hear
The police are like, oh my god, they're shooting me
They really are. So wendigo, they just shoot into the crowd and
(08:25):
Innocent people get shot including this nurse because we hear her like
in pain, they shoot her partially out of putting her out of her misery, but partially because
She saw that they just shot people whether or not it was on purpose
And then when david is an idiot
And blows our cover we get shot up because now we're witnesses
that they're like, oh shit, we gotta clean this up
(08:47):
and double down on the mess.
Yeah.
Our group makes a run for it after getting shot at.
We eventually make it to the tunnels to catch our breath.
And this is where Gordon starts to just really lose it.
He's convinced he's hearing voices.
No one else hears them.
And then he's kinda agitated,
shoves Father Mosley and just takes off.
(09:09):
We follow as the police are trying
to break the door down behind us.
I guess we fell and hit our heads,
so we're kind of slow to get up.
And Suzanne is like, you know, we could just leave you here.
Come on, shut up, Suzanne.
Suzanne.
Why was she so eager to save Braggs,
but so eager to let us die?
Yeah, exactly.
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Come on, Suzanne.
They mention Victor a lot as they're walking
through the tunnels towards the hotel.
He looks familiar from Until Dawn.
Who is he?
I couldn't remember who he was from Until Dawn.
And I'm starting to get more bits and pieces
as we watch the game and as he shows up in more memories.
But yeah, I don't know.
Okay, so he's Victor Milgram,
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who you'll remember from the articles, the Hotel Janitor.
Yeah, the Janitor didn't have a burning question about him.
Yeah, and it was like, who is he, what is this?
And my answer was, maybe we'll find out more,
but I think he's just like Josh's character,
which I still think is true because in the flashbacks,
(10:15):
he's wearing a similar overalls to Josh.
So I think Josh is still kind of using that story,
which is a true story, but using it as his movie script,
prank script as his villain.
Because he does set Victor up as someone
(10:35):
who could be the potential killer
to all these mysterious events happening in Until Dawn.
So I could see where you're going with it.
And I do have some more questions about him.
We're gonna learn a lot more about him pretty quickly.
So we see more familiar locations on our way.
We find a newspaper which unlocks another memory.
(10:56):
A man, which we now know as Victor says,
I'm telling you, this sort of press
really gets on the bright skin.
I'd advise you to be careful.
Reactions yet, or are we holding them?
Let's hold them, I'm gonna bunch them.
Okay.
We then soon happen upon Gordon again.
He's being a bit odd,
(11:16):
but he does apologize for his earlier behavior.
Now would be a great time to tell the father
if you ate human or not.
Yeah.
Unlocking another memory.
I believe we actually say to Victor, that's everything.
And then Victor responds, well now, doctor.
And then think he cheers us.
(11:37):
I can only hope you have better luck than the last guy.
Okay, so Victor is doing something
that he's not supposed to be doing.
What's going on?
Farther along still,
some laundry unlocks yet another memory.
Victor is holding up a doctor's coat and says,
you need one of these, help you blend in.
(11:59):
Try it on for size.
So we're not really a doctor.
Yeah, yeah.
And we're obviously doing something
with the help of Victor that someone else has attempted to do,
but we don't know what.
I'm really curious how long it took our character
to get caught.
Are we ready for scene three?
Okay, now in the hotel,
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we sneak by some police until the elevator.
Gordon is starting to look really not good.
Once we're in the elevator,
the police take some shots at us,
but we make it to the second floor.
However, the gunfire has caused the gate to be stuck,
so we can't get out.
And then someone calls the elevator back down.
(12:40):
The door's open to fog.
I think it's some sort of gas
because some of us start coughing.
And soon a masked man appears,
but he's attacked and then another guy's attacked
and shoved up against the elevator gate by a one to go.
We hit the button as fast as we can.
I hit the basement.
Ted's not happy about it.
He's pissed off that I sent us to the basement
(13:03):
because that's where the police were.
The door's open.
There are police there,
but then Gordon freaks out and just demolishes them.
Okay, so I think safe to say we're a one to go.
I can't believe Ted didn't say anything about like,
ah, that's what I was expecting.
That's what I learned about.
Yeah.
But also-
(13:24):
He was like, I have to keep an eye on you,
but he didn't do anything else.
Exactly.
So question is, if Gordon is a one to go,
he had to eat some human flesh.
So who did he eat?
I think it was the cockroach.
Really?
You think a cockroach is enough to turn him?
I don't think it was actually a cockroach
because I played this twice
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and I ate the cockroach the second time.
And that time I turned into a one to go.
Oh.
What the cockroach is, a toe, a finger, who's it from?
I don't know.
Is that what was thrown through the window?
Which makes a great point
because the cockroaches could just be a hallucination.
We see them crawling all up the wall
and so we know there isn't that many cockroaches.
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So whatever he was holding, okay, that makes sense.
Also, I can't believe I'm talking about cannibalism
so casually.
I also liked that he ate it and was like,
oh, it's delicious.
It's even worse now.
Yeah, no, no.
It's bad enough when we thought it was a cockroach.
Ugh.
Okay.
Anyway.
Where did he get that, quote unquote,
(14:29):
cockroach from?
Where'd it come from?
It's Abe.
Did he cut our toe off?
Did he cut his toe off?
Does it count as cannibalism
if you're eating your own body parts?
I feel like that's doubling down.
That's like. Yeah.
It's not a question I wanna talk about.
Yeah.
What about people who drink their own pee?
(14:52):
Okay, okay.
We're moving on. We gotta end the conversation here.
Okay.
So Gordon is still somewhat normal
and yells at us in a weird double voice
to get out of there.
We don't hesitate.
We hit the button for the second floor,
but it stopped at the first floor.
Victor's dead.
After seeing that, we continue on to the second floor.
We're at the cable car station for the hotel.
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We see another memory of Victor saying.
Nice to know that all are welcome.
Even hot shit report notes.
Not a word of me in your story, or there's no deal.
Questions answered.
Yes.
The way Victor phrased it in the beginning,
saying that hopefully you're gonna be better off
(15:36):
than the previous guys.
How many people have heard of this and have come here
to learn about it and reached out to Victor for help?
Which is now giving me a lot of whistleblower vibes.
And so another connection between Supermassive Games
and Red Barrels.
Yes, I have follow-ups to both of that.
So there's that news article about a reporter
(15:58):
that was assaulted.
Obviously that's not us, because we're still here.
There's no news.
So I think the other guy that he mentions
is that person that was assaulted.
We come in, we pretend to be a doctor with Victor's help.
We talk to Billy Bates or poke in our nose around
for who knows how long.
(16:18):
And then if you remember that flashback,
the clipboard one where we hold a clipboard,
and Victoria walks up saying, hey doctor,
and then goes, uh, Abe?
She realizes that she doesn't know who we are.
And then that's when we go and hide in the closet.
And so then she and Abe are looking for us.
Abe finds us in the closet, and that's that memory
(16:40):
that we were seeing at the beginning of the game.
And then we get put into treatment to erase our memory.
So that we can't whistleblow.
Okay, so I was partially correct in thinking
that we're constantly getting fed something
to repress our memories.
And the reason why is because we saw something
we shouldn't have seen.
(17:00):
And that's why Gordon's kept in the same room as us
to make sure we don't remember.
Okay, that makes sense.
The Outlast connection.
My note is this game is so Outlast adjacent.
We may as well be miles up sure.
And this should have just been another Outlast game
or a crossover.
Like it's so similar.
So then Ted insists that he stay behind
(17:21):
to operate the cable car.
We try to do it for him, but he says no.
So then I guess we, David and Suzanne are just free.
We get in the cable car and he sends it down.
I don't understand why the father wants to stay behind.
He knows he's gonna die, right?
I think he's just a good guy.
Well, I don't understand why he didn't go with them
to spread knowledge among the people saying,
(17:45):
like, this is a bad place.
Like he could have done something proactive.
Maybe he just assumes no one will listen,
but probably he wasn't fully thinking it through
in that situation either.
But Ted's cool.
Yeah.
What a guy.
We're now being interrogated by a cop
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who is bent on covering up the killing of innocents
at the sanatorium.
We refuse to play along and then we're condemned
to being sent back to Blackwood sanatorium.
We come to an iPad cell where we hallucinate,
I think, the Machu Picchu.
Machu Picchu.
It looks like him, right?
(18:26):
There's like this spiky things on him.
It does, but like how did he get there?
Just the spirit maybe.
Who's he?
Wait, us or the Wendigo?
The Machu Picchu guy.
God, what a, I don't even know how to spell it.
I don't know how to spell it.
The Machu Picchu.
(18:47):
The Machu Picchu.
The Machu Picchu, like I get he's a spirit,
but for us as the player, for the main character,
they must have been starving and that's why they see him
or is it that, do you think we've already eaten flesh
and that's why we see him?
Yeah, that's what this game is leading me to believe
(19:08):
is that just being hungry on Blackwood Mountain
attracts the spirit of the Wendigo.
So you don't even need to be a human flesh-eating person.
I think it might even help you hallucinate in ways
that it tries to convince you to eat human flesh,
like maybe the spirit of the Wendigo
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made it look like a cockroach.
Also more issues with this game.
So in the playthrough where you become a Wendigo,
instead of getting the police interrogation
after credit scene, we're the one chasing Hannah and Beth
from the prologue, which is cool.
And I loved seeing that as a fan of the game,
but it kind of ruins the whole events from the past video
(19:53):
where a flamethrower guy is talking about tracking
the Machu Picchu as it was stalking Hannah and Beth
because unless the spirit went into us in that moment,
which I guess you could say that,
but it seems like he'd been tracking it for a long time.
So that kind of confuses that, makes that a bit muddier.
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But overall, I feel like this game is fun.
I don't love VR, but despite the controls
and the motion sickness, I think it's a good game.
I think it's a fun game and it adds a lot
to the Until Dawn lore.
Back to your theory about the Machu Picchu thing.
I don't know.
I feel like that's a great way
to tie this prequel game into Until Dawn.
(20:36):
I wished our ending was that we were able
to disclose it.
I'm curious what would happen
if you told the police officer that,
oh, I'll comply with you, it's not getting out,
and then still release it.
I'd be curious too.
I haven't seen that, but just based off of Until Dawn,
it seems like it doesn't ever get out.
(20:59):
So I guess my burning question in the end
is that we know he's there and he has memories.
I'm wondering how much he would retain in that memory
if he did become a Wendigo.
We knew that Hannah was able to just because of sheer hate
for what happened to her.
That's another note I had is how we were able
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to survive with the Wendigos.
And I thought back to Hannah recognizing people
and having some sort of memory.
And I was wondering if maybe the Wendigos
remember our character and knew he was trying to help
and that he was a reporter.
So maybe they're letting him live on purpose.
(21:41):
Okay, and then another question we had at some point
was about timeline.
And we're not gonna get super into it
in terms of this game, but more like,
how long does it take to become a Wendigo?
That was something I know we were a little hung up on.
So I went back to Until Dawn and looked at Hannah's notebook.
And on day 30, she mentions eating Beth.
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On day 33, she's still writing sensically,
still seems pretty human, but mentions feeling different.
And then on day 35, she just writes hungry.
So I think it takes at least five days.
I mean, she was still writing at that point.
So I think she's close to being full Wendigo, but not quite.
We can assume it takes at least five days
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to become a Wendigo.
I don't know if that helps you at all with anything.
I think it does because it shows how small of a timeframe
they had from when they brought the miners
into when everything happens.
My question is how long has their main character
stayed there?
Because it's like January to February.
(22:47):
So that's like around a month-ish.
The timeline still feels sloppy.
And maybe whatever they were doing to the miners
like slowed down the transformation.
I don't know, but it seems like it went on for a long time.
A surprisingly long time.
My last little afterthought is honestly,
(23:09):
not enough Wendigo in this game.
There's so many good opportunities to scare me
with a Wendigo in VR.
And I only saw one Wendigo the whole time.
We didn't see that much.
We saw so many until dawn.
And I feel like it's a missed opportunity
because we only get a small glimpse of it
and we don't even learn about the Machu Picchu.
So that would have been a great time
in this game to expand on it.
(23:31):
What would have been cool as I'm saying this
is if the father had the original journal
that later the stranger got,
that the father was the one
who's been adding more notes to it.
That would be cool.
That would have been cool.
Yeah.
But yeah, just not enough Wendigo.
If you're gonna make a VR horror game about Wendigo,
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have a few, right?
That was my biggest disappointment, I think.
Anything else or should we move on to KFC?
No, let's do KFCs.
So I don't know if you wanna guess who my KFC is
or I should just tell you.
There's not a lot to choose from.
Father Mosley.
(24:13):
Yes.
Yes.
I just, I kinda liked his relaxed demeanor.
He's very logical and he doesn't panic too much.
I like him.
He did nothing wrong the whole time.
He tried to help everybody.
He sacrificed himself to send us down the mountain.
He tried to warn about the Wendigos.
He did nothing wrong.
(24:33):
Exactly.
Post-game Kentucky Scorcher.
This is a bit difficult for me.
We don't get a lot of good closeups
and so if you ask me to recognize from a lineup
who I'm about to say, I won't be able to tell you
and that person is David.
I can't tell you what he looks like.
I can't remember it right now
(24:53):
even though I just saw him 30 minutes ago.
Yeah, okay.
That pooter reindeer.
The notes he left me.
I chose five.
I chose Abe, David, Father Mosley,
the cop that interrogated us,
Victor Milgram and Gordon.
(25:14):
So here's your notes.
First of all, you said is number five,
that's Victor your favorite.
Why is this image so big?
That's the first thing you notice.
And then you said, so we got number one, Abe,
a dude who's probably going undercover as a waiter
and also wears glasses.
(25:34):
So I take back my previous comment
about not enough characters wearing glasses.
That was maybe Chris from Until Dawn,
that's why he chose him.
It's so funny because I referenced him as the waiter
in my notes for part one quite frequently.
Number two, David, you said a dude with a flashlight
shining on his face.
(25:56):
That's all you said.
Three, Father Mosley, a priest with gold chains?
Question mark.
Four, that's the cop, a TSA looking police agent
interrogating someone pretending to be intimidating
but he's not.
Five is Victor Milgram, you said.
What did I say?
(26:16):
Good God.
A nephew of Mr. Miyagi who went down the path
of being a rebel and a criminal.
I didn't know what this game was gonna be about and.
Clearly not, you kept calling it the Impatient.
I know.
The Impatient.
I know, it took me until watching an hour of this game
(26:37):
and for you to tell me.
In other words, I would have kept calling it Impatient
and I was waiting to see why someone was so impatient
and I don't understand why I kept reading the N as an M.
So confused.
And then number six, that's Gordon,
the dude from Walking Dead.
I assume you mean they're the main guy.
And then you said, this one's tough.
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I'll choose number two.
This is number two?
First ever.
First time ever.
Even though I think he's a bad guy.
Honestly, I think all these characters might be dead
by the end of the game.
Who chose the non-dead one?
Not bad this time, Kathy.
Yay, first time ever in two seasons.
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Which I think so.
We haven't done this a lot.
But in all the games though,
this is feeling pretty proud of myself right now.
Thankfully there's no stats for you to guess.
So you have no chance of falling on your face
at the end of this episode.
Yeah, I did think that one of the stats
were gonna be about how many dead bodies we see.
(27:42):
It was way too hard to look at this video to track stuff.
I was like, there's no way.
There's no way.
Well.
With that, you won't hear from us
until the start of the new year.
So have a great new year as well.
Season wrap up comes out, not tomorrow, but next Thursday.
And we'll close out the season.
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Those episodes are always fun.
I'm excited.
Me too.
With that, audacity on one, three, two, one.
Thank you for listening.
And don't forget to send in any questions,
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