September 12, 2024 • 44 mins
Welcome back to Detroit: Become Human - in part four, Kara and Co. make a narrow escape and head for Canada while Markus and Jericho make a statement that comes with a cost. Meanwhile, Connor and Hank hope to make a break in the case, but instead find that Connor's morality is starting to take priority over his mission. Don't forget to watch or play along - gameplay is posted weekly on our YouTube channel where we also have new video episodes! You can also find us on our website, Instagram, Twitter, and Reddit. Please consider supporting Eggy Toast here if you enjoyed the music in this episode.
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In this episode, I think we found the man who the
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my husband got an android pregnant article was written about
and the androids, they're my option.
Thank you for coming back from our replay reviews
my name is Leah and my name is Cathy. We are two friends who are here to replay,
review,
and analyze your favorite video games and since Cathy has never seen the games
before
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it helps me view them through her fresh eyes almost like I'm discovering them
again for the first time.
We hope it will be a similar experience for you.
So it's November 8th, 5 to 10 p.m.
Kara, Luther, and Alice arrive at their destination, the home of a woman named
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Rose
who is known to help androids across the border into Canada.
We first meet Adam, though, Rose's son, who is not as eager to help
but Rose does eventually bite them in. How do we know we can trust
Rose and why is she helping androids across the border?
Like what's in it for her? Yeah, it's
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it's a big risk. Wasn't there an article about Canada being
android free or is it that androids are equal? I think there's no laws
there's no android laws is the line I remember
okay but I don't know what that means like if that means that they can just be
free
after they're inside they get Alice settled in for a nap
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and she asks Kara why the humans hate them. First of all, how has no one corrected
her?
Two, why does she think that she's an android?
And three, why is Kara not addressing it?
They're just- when she says we, I'm assuming she's thinking
herself as an android. It could be that or it could just be
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the fact that they have to be on the run and she doesn't understand it.
They don't understand perspective because
we know Todd was an ass but not everybody knows that.
So I feel like the public perspective is just
this android murdered a man so yeah they're gonna be
not very fond of them. Alice says
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Why can't we just talk to each other?
They'd see we're not bad. This is a question that I have for this entire game
and I think we'll discuss it more later but especially I think it pertains to
Connor's character.
I have a note because Luther is so
good with Alice and he's just so nice
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my note is Luther's so great. That's the benchmark fellas.
Yeah honestly especially to
a woman with a daughter even though it's not really Kara's daughter
but still the fact that he's not weird around kids
is a massive green flag. Even if you don't want kids it still is.
And then okay here's what I don't
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understand. I feel like I'm gonna be saying that a lot this episode but
back downstairs Kara is talking to Rose
and she introduces herself as Kara
but then Rose immediately goes have a seat Kara
and like Luther calls her Kara
so many people call her Kara but she introduces herself as Kara
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and I don't understand why nobody in the game pronounces her name right except for
Alice.
And you can't even blame it on an accent thing either.
No. This is like calling origami
origami. Heavy rain reference.
The origami killer.
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Oh gosh okay Rose informs
Kara that the only way to Canada is across the river which is now
frozen making it very risky. She suggests that they stay until things settle down
after Marcus's
speech caused a tizzy. But Kara is determined
to get to Canada. They're interrupted by another deviant that beckons Rose to
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come see if she can help
Mary another deviant and I guess
she can't. Seems like Mary has pretty much shut down for good.
Also it's kind of rude that they vandalized
Rose's wall. They like wrote
I'm alive or R9 all over it or something. I think it's a little bit rude.
How are they shutting down? Is it like from damage or do they need to be
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recharged? Just how does how does that work and couldn't Kara just like
touch her hand and like rejuvenate her?
I don't know. I think it must just be that like
some of the parts gave out were damaged because
yeah we haven't seen anything that says they need to be charged
but I agree. I feel like they need to tell us a little bit more.
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Kara seems pretty freaked out though and I'm wondering if it's because she's
worried that the scene might happen to her one day and
she'll leave Alice behind. I wondered if she was
worried about Alice seeing that. Just seeing
death I guess even though she's already seen
a murder right in front of her. I mean it's not really murder but
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you know. It's a valid point because Alice is there seeing this.
Yeah. So back in the kitchen Adam and Rose are arguing and Adam is
against Rose's whole mission of trying to save
androids and Adam is in Rose's eyes out of line the way he just
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that and threatening to call the police right? Yeah.
Yeah. Why is Adam just so against his mom helping them?
And I know that there's danger and he probably doesn't want his mom to get in
trouble. I get his point though. So Rose gets mad
and says they're not machines they're alive and his
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response is I'm alive and I feel like he really has a
point there because this is his mother. Shouldn't he be
top priority to his mother and she is putting them both at risk and
he's scared and so I feel like you should either
stop or figure out a way to do it that doesn't also
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implicate your son. Which is really valid because
if anything happens to Rose she's leaving Adam behind.
So I totally understand where Adam's coming from. He could probably work on his
delivery a bit but still. Yeah I do think he gets a little
over emotional and a little uh rude. Yeah. Yeah. So after this
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spat Rose leaves to go try to set up a border crossing.
As Kara we wander around she talks to Alice.
She talks to Luther and Luther says Kara there's something I need to tell you.
It's about Alice and she goes not now Luther
and walks away. Which is annoying because her whole priority is Alice yet the
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moment they need to have this conversation she's
like not now. I know it's annoying. Poor Luther.
Again be like him he's so patient. Anything before the cop arrives?
No. Sorry I just noticed the baby with sunglasses on.
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Oh it's a you can't see it but it says it's a it's a walker for babies. It's a
Mustang. It's a pink Mustang little race car for the kid to sit in the walker and
move around. As a kid I always wanted one of those
Barbie Jeeps or even the knockoff you know. I had one it was so much fun as a kid.
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I loved it. My parents would never let me have one which in hindsight
probably a good idea because my friend had one and I did
run over her little brother.
That's crazy. And I'm not kidding that's like the one thing
where I'm like my childhood is incomplete because I didn't have one of those.
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Oh where were we? Oh so please. The cop soon arrives and rings the doorbell.
Luther and Alice go hide upstairs while Adam and Carl let the cop in and act as
if all is normal. Adam's losing it though. Oh he's close
to falling apart. It goes well minor suspicion when he sees
the magazine cover which he could not find. Eventually he leaves. Rose returns
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and says we leave tonight. Yeah crisis averted. Any other notes for
you on scene one? What look that police scene so unnecessary
that took so long. It could have been shortened but also
that coffee machine though it's so pretty. I really like it. And it's so fast.
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Immediate copy. I mean mine's pretty quick too to be fair. It's shape and
everything. I just I think it would look really good in your house too.
It would. I like mine now because it's so slender.
Doesn't take up any space and plus it was free from. You could have stole it from me though
from my white elephant. It could have been mine.
Well you should have acted more excited because I was either had to steal from
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you or Morgan because you both had one and Morgan seemed really excited so I
felt too bad to steal from you. What are you talking about? I was excited.
I don't recall. What? I don't recall. Okay moving on.
Um scene two? Scene two. November 9th 151 am. We're back to Jericho. North and Josh
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have an argument.
Kathy. I don't know which writers were in charge of the
Jericho characters but the dialogue is so cringy. It just actually sounds like two
AI bots having a discussion. It's so cliche. It's just so bad.
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It's worse than chat gbt. It's almost like
the first stages of AI but it also feels like a seventh grader writing the
script. It really really does and we won't get
too far into it because I know later we're gonna have a lot of
comments but Marcus walks in and he's like hey
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quit fighting and his plan is to attack all five Detroit cyber life stores which
five in one city? Goodness they're doing quite well and they're gonna set the
androids free. He says no violence. Well they also make it sound like Simon's
dead which okay I guess is some foreshadowing but
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unless you see the body that's a that's a quite big assumption but we'll
get we'll talk some more about that in a bit.
We will. Buddy found a walking stick
or he army crawled all the way back or he
he swam he army crawled to the sewer and swam from there. Okay we're getting
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ahead of ourselves. Okay um my next note is about when they're
in the city. Okay so we get to the mission.
It's we're at we're with North and Marcus and
this this starts the extreme distaste I have for North as a character.
Okay I'm glad because I hate her at this point.
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This has nothing to do with the actress. I think the actress does a great job
with what she's given. I think she's given utter
to be honest. I really do because here's her line right? Here's the
first one in the line of hot cringe we're gonna hear in this scene.
I've been waiting a long time for this. Have you?
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Because I think it's been four days since we met you
if that. And the thing is this entire time she has been hiding at Jericho if it
wasn't for Marcus she would have continued to be hiding so
all of a sudden she's pretending like she's excited for this and then what's
up with the outfit change? I hope people agree with this. Anyway
moving on they need to dismantle the police drone which is as we analyze it
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we see that it's moving in a loop right? So then when I'm pre-constructing a
route for for Marcus to dismantle the drone one
of the options doesn't work because it would be too late but it's on a loop
so can he not just climb up there and just wait for it to come around
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again? That's what I don't get I saw that and I was like
just wait for it to come around. Yeah agreed.
We find where the trucks are kept and we find the security line in the
cyber life store which he follows to an area where he can
hack it. Also why does he jump down like that?
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Let me find it for you. I'm gonna play it slow a little slow so you can
see it better.
That's how you break your knees. Why'd he do that?
Anyway we create an inner loop in the security feed.
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Oh my gosh so then they go to get the truck right to then ram the store.
It's just like every single one of her lines is a one-liner like there's no
substance to her character which I feel like is a missed opportunity
when they're trying to get the truck out. There's a lock on the door and she hands
him bolt cutters and says I wonder what
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you'd do without me. All you did was pick up the bolt cutters.
Relax. Calm down woman. At this point she's so
loud and doing everything that they're doing.
She's yelling at Marcus come here when looking at like the construction
workers. She's just annoying
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at this point. She talks like as if she's better than Marcus
which she's not because without Marcus she wouldn't be where she is.
And I just cannot stand that attitude coming from her.
But let's just get the rest of the hate out for her real quick.
So here are some more of the lines that I despise.
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Looks like we're ready to make some noise. What are we waiting for?
I knew we'd end up doing something fun. Who is coming
up with this? This is why I feel like they're not really deviant when they're
deviant. They're just AI acting out a different code.
I feel like it's as cringy as some of the stuff you would see
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on TikTok during its earlier days. I feel like my
niece could do a better job writing lines than this and she's nine.
I don't want to hate on her but you're making it awfully easy for me
to hate on her. I'm so glad that you feel the same way
because I thought you were gonna like not agree with me.
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No I was worried that you wouldn't agree with me because I'm like because
the previous episode wasn't that bad so I said that oh
cool no she has a crush on Marcus but then immediately like 180 I'm like I
don't like her and I'm really glad you feel the same way because
this is so bad. Yeah yeah we'll talk about a little bit more as it progresses
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but for now we're in the cyber life store and Marcus gives a speech
in which he considers himself to have been a slave
and I don't really understand this because number one
he was a gift so it's not like Carl bought him because he wanted him to be a
servant. Number two Carl treated him pretty well
from what we see and they had a father-son relationship so I don't
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understand Marcus's perspective. It feels wrong but I
feel like it's because of how he was treated
from Carl's son so it's because of the the nastiness that
Leah was demonstrating of what humans could do
overshadowed all the good deeds that Carl did
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and I think that's what's pushing Marcus to
go to this extreme. They succeed in busting out all the androids and then
they leave their peaceful mark on Capitol Park but the police interrupt it
and they run. I'm wondering if Marcus is the only person who has that
ability to free the androids because we don't really see North doing the same
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thing and I don't know if it's just because
they decided it wasn't important enough or if it's truly
something that Marcus was able to overcome in his code
and then be able to spread it to others. Right
because if others can do it they're not and that's really weird and that almost
paints Marcus as kind of like a dictator where he decides
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who's free and you know it's weird and maybe they just don't show it maybe it's
just something overlooked but I think they make a lot of mistakes
with Marcus's storyline in this game.
Marcus hears gunshots and runs to find some of the deviants
have died and others have taken the cops hostage.
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There's just two of them. Marcus decides to let them go and not execute them
but how hilarious would it be if the android that he gave the gun to just
shot them anyway? And how is he not telling the police to do better that
I'll let you live if you choose to not kill us anymore or to resign or to
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start speaking out for us? He just lets them go
and that's a massive risk that you're taking to put your faith in someone who's
already killed others and I'm annoyed at how North is just
acting in this scene too like she's offended that he isn't choosing the
violent way but also she's acting like she didn't know
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there's a risk of androids dying. But also this moment Marcus's
line it's more just crap he goes an eye for an eye and the
whole world goes blind. So cheesy. It should have been something
that Carl said to him and now it's coming into play.
Here's why I choose to be pacifist. Number one,
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for the public opinion support. But number two,
because I don't understand where his hate would be coming from. As we've
discussed his relationship with Carl was pretty good
and yeah he got shot when he shouldn't have.
Leo was an ass. He got pushed around in the square
area but the game doesn't do enough to show
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us Marcus being angry. Like they just want us to assume that he is but this
game needed to give another part to his story maybe it was
cut but they needed to give something else in those earlier chapters that
showed him growing hateful towards the humans.
Agreed. I think that's something I didn't think about it but it makes a lot of
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sense is there must have been either a massive
plot hole of something that happened to break Marcus or
like an equivalent of a Todd situation except that was threatening
Marcus and he had to choose between saving himself or saving
Carl. I don't understand why he would be jumping immediately into violence when
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that's never really been his personality. I honestly think that the writers of
this game was hoping that we as the players are angry
people and we love violence and we would want to see violence.
I don't think they're counting on us to be pacifists on this kind of
situation. Yeah and this is where I also feel like
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because obviously North is the one trying to push him to be
violent and I feel like her character would probably be a lot better if we do
go that route but I feel like the only influence we
have for Marcus wanting to be violent is North and we don't know anything about
North. We should have seen Marcus originally
with like a Todd kind of person and then he ends up with
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Carl and so he has the experience of the bad and the good
and then it's more of like oh no which one do I choose.
I was just going to kind of go over some even more cheesy quotes that
Marcus was saying and I just can't get over the one where he says
I choose to open my eyes and take back my freedom
and then you could be your own master take your destiny
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in your own hands. I just I'm just cringing.
That's it's so generic. It's just painfully unoriginal
but by the end of the scene we see more newscasts and the public opinion has
increased to supportive. Moving on to scene three
November 9th 11 17 a.m. Connor and Hank arrive at the home of
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Elijah Kamsky the father of androids to ask him about deviancy.
Before they go in Hank tells Connor that Chris an officer he knows was one of the
ones that was held up by the deviants. He told Hank that Marcus himself let
him go. I'm curious what's going through his mind
and I don't think I've ever seen a playthrough where the officer gets shot
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because I'm curious how that would affect this scene like how would that
affect Hank's mood and Connor's mood and their dialogue. We need to watch a
playthrough for a summary of what happened if Marcus at that point
chose violence. And then as they're walking to the door
Connor says Kamsky left cyber life 10 years ago why
did you want to meet him and Hank responds this guy created the first
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android to pass the Turing test and he's the founder of cyber life if
anyone can tell us about deviance it's him. One of Kamsky's androids
Chloe lets them inside and in the waiting room I guess
Connor sees a picture of Kamsky and Amanda together.
Turns out Amanda was a professor of AI but she passed in 2027.
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What are your thoughts on Amanda now? I think she faked her death.
I think Amanda right now is hiding and hiding.
Okay intense. I don't know people know Amanda exists like do we know for sure
that Amanda's out in the public or is
her extent of being out there just with Connor?
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I don't know and I think this is kind of because I think before learning this
you could easily assume that they're meeting.
Well no because we see that it's pretty much in his head that they're taking
place but there's nothing that's not saying well
she could connect in from somewhere else too. But also we
also learned that Kamsky was her student. Kamsky is really full of himself like
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who has a massive photo of themselves in their
lobby? Okay so why do we have to wait so long for this guy when he's just
stewing in his pool? And also why is it red? What a horrible
choice for a pool. I was just about to say that
man those androids must be having serious periods in that pool.
Oh god I had to take it back. I'm sorry. I mean it's no different than
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kids peeing in pools in a way. Do you think they do though? Can
they can they pee poo? Can they
can they do any of that? No because I don't think that you would use the
bathroom in a non-pool situation. Okay but Elijah is like wait a minute
before I arrive and he walks to one end of the pool
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only to walk back to the other end of the pool. Like what are you doing?
And then the two androids in the pool are just like watching him.
I'm just so confused. Oh and he must really like that model of android
because wouldn't you want some variety? Like
you got at least three of the same one. So they finally begin talking with Kamsky
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and Hank asks if he can tell them something that they don't
already know about deviancy. Kamsky goes on to talk about
androids and describes them as perfect beings
but at a hundred percent I'm convinced that he says
perfect beans. I'm gonna cut it in. Tell me that he doesn't say beans.
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Perfect beans. Beans. He gives them the roundabout but Connor is not
having it. He says millions could die if confrontations continue and says
it's quite a serious matter. Kamsky then turns on Connor and says
what about you? Whose side are you on? He responds that he has no side and
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Kamsky says well that's what you're programmed to say
but what do you really want? We see him pushing Connor here
and Connor gets kind of mad again and says I don't know what you're getting at
and we see another spike in instability and then this is where Kamsky goes on to
mention the Turing test but says what really interests him is whether
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machines are capable of empathy. I call it the Kamsky test. How
arrogant is he to be naming that the Kamsky test?
I know. He doesn't seem like a very empathetic person
so I don't I don't know why this is his test.
He then proceeds to tell Connor that he will tell him everything he knows about
deviancy if he shoots Chloe. Also why does he just have a poolside
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gun? Self-defense? I don't know but he is such a creep. He's been in
creep mode this entire time because when he has Chloe stand over he's calling
her a flower that never withers. What a weird
creepy dude. He is creepy. I feel like he's just been waiting for this. He's like
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finally something entertaining. Hank is pissed at him though and I
love his line. Sorry to get you out of your pool.
So about Kamsky in this moment what is he doing? Like is he just trying
to push Connor to deviancy? Does he just want to be god and he's
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trying to create new life with a soul and that's what deviancy and the
Kamsky test are or proof of a soul? That's what I don't
understand about Kamsky. I don't know what side he
really falls under and I don't know what values
he has because I don't know if he wants there to be a war between androids
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and humans and he wanted androids to become
deviants to have their own mind and think and he'll see that that as his
greater success or if he sees androids being deviant as a
problem. I feel like overall he just seems entertained and he likes
watching all the chaos. Connor decides to not shoot Chloe which leads to a very
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large spike in software instability and Kamsky's response to this is
fascinating. Cyberlife's last chance to save humanity
is itself a deviant. What went through your mind
when you decided to not shoot? There's a couple things.
We have the one side of he wants to accomplish his mission
and that would equal shooting Chloe to get the information
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but we also have Hank in the background who's saying
don't do it Connor, let's go. From an android standpoint he is
receiving two conflicting orders again. Yes in the past we've seen him
prioritize orders for his mission over orders given to him by Hank
but his relationship with Hank has improved significantly since then
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but then also back to Connor again this is a tipping point
for him and I think he's he's gone too far
at this point to shoot her. I think that that would be an unrealistic step
backwards for his character in terms of having this be narratively
pleasing so I just felt like the right thing is
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for him to not shoot her but he's not happy about it.
And it falls more in line with what Connor has been doing
that he still feels regret from the way things happened during the
blue hair Tracy situation and I think had you shot him
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it would have been the equivalent of Marcus all of a sudden getting so much
hate. It's where is it coming from? Connor's response though is I'm not a
deviant then Kamsky says you showed empathy a war is coming you'll have to
choose your side remember that line because I have issues with that
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so he and Hank turn to leave and on their way out Kamsky yells
by the way I always leave an emergency exit in my programs
you never know you never know what right you never know they're going to
fight against you fight for you self-destruct
and then outside Hank asked Connor why he didn't shoot
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visibly upset Connor responds I just saw that girl's eyes
and I couldn't that's all you're always saying you would do anything to
accomplish your mission that was our chance to learn something
and you let it go yeah I know what I should have done I told you I couldn't
I'm sorry but then Hank ends it by saying maybe you did the right thing
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I love Hank's protectiveness over Connor as we continue to watch them grow
and develop their relationship I like how he doesn't blame Connor but
allows for Connor to tap into his own feelings
and not feel guilt or if he is to be able to process that without
telling Connor how he should be feeling and I feel like Hank is starting to feel
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how I feel about Connor's character which is like
he just can't win he's in the middle of two sides that just are asking both
sides are asking a lot of him anything else for scene three no let's
do the fourth and final scene oh Cathy Cathy Cathy
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I feel like I need to take a shot before we discuss the scene
this is gonna be an hour-long discussion look all right November 9th
12 of 4 p.m. so Marcus is clearly struggling with his duty of leadership
and North eventually joins him up where he's doing and it's like an area
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where it kind of overlooks the city and we get another one Cathy
we get another great line from North she says
it's like being alone with the world and even before that a freaking piano
scene again like where did this piano come from
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oh yeah why is it there number one but I thought it would be a nice little
tribute to Carl because I'm like Marcus remember
your guy Carl at this point again I'm going back to talk about how annoyed I
am with her outfit why are they making her
outfit like it's some kind of post-apocalyptic
fashion that you see only in like early 2000s movies
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of like exposing half your shoulder because Marcus isn't doing that why why
her no he's ready to run right and then you have outfits like
north with the beanie and a shirt exposing the shoulder yeah why
the beanie if it's cold enough to need a beanie you
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don't want your shoulders out exactly the outfit does maybe that's why we
don't like it it just does not make temperature sense to us
is she the new madison close it's close oh no
so the next thing they're doing after cringey lines
is they do like a palm to palm thing between
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north and marcus which yeah tender moment also is very cringey and then it
talks about her background that she pretty much is sexually
assaulted but I feel like there's other opportunities
for her to show her hate against humans I've mentioned a couple times about me
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feeling like our deviants actually I do they actually have free will or are
they just is this just another ai program about
this is what you do when you want to be free right this is what you do when you
want to be human because her situation is literally what
happened at the eden club with connor and hank but just with
different androids so is there something in the code you
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know what i'm saying it's a repeat of the same
the exact same she strangled him too to me this is evidence of code
maybe that's the emergency exit plan that
when things get tough for androids every single situation there is going to be
the emergency exit to prevent it from getting bad if
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you're sexually assaulted your code is to then strangle them
yeah and if you get abuse your code is to stab them or like
beat them up similar to what we've seen maybe those are the emergency exits for
the androids to be able to leave a crappy situation right because like for
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carlos or tiz's android physical assault what does he know is on
scene a knife he uses the knife if the knife's
not there but in car situation a gun is there what
do you use use the gun so it's it still feels like it's code it's ai
just reacting to the environment are they really free i think this is a
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summary question back to talking about north's background
i feel like if we wanted to demonstrate her hate for humans
it didn't have to be her being sexually assaulted
or her being a pleasure android and is it only because she's a female that
that's her storyline because come on let's do better as writers
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and writing female characters well and if it isn't a hint that oh
this is part of like they're not really free this is a repeat incident well then
it's just lazy writing because it's literally
the exact same incident and also why does that mean that you hate all
humans one person assaulted you i mean i'm not saying that doesn't
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suck but one bird pooped on my shoulder i don't
hate every bird exactly
you know what i mean where did that come from
did the bird actually poop on you i just never happened to me before
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i was thinking you're speaking from personal experience of a bird actually
pooping on you that was just the example that came to my mind
we drank earlier were you done anyways yeah my next note is simon simon
okay so let's review the history of simon the new station incident
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simon gets shot and can't use his legs they say
well you're staying here or we're killing you
simon is left behind and so the whole thing is like he can't use his legs
that's the whole pinnacle of oh no do we spare him or do we kill him
but then this guy shows up walking on legs
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in jericho how what happened and the thing is he doesn't blame anyone
for not saving him and isn't annoyed by the fact that north
wanted to kill him and that i was i pointed the gun at him
and i decided not to i just don't i don't understand simon
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i just yeah simon simon just threw me for a loop
sometime later we're in the city and we're walking around it sounds like
we're playing in something big right but then in the background you can hear
this woman saying why so you can stare at my
fucking android all night
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i feel like they should have hired you as a voice actress
like her guy just wants to do the wants to do the android
it's just such a hilarious background line
the gang heads into the city to march i'm glad that you had a similar reaction
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to me because i had in my notes please please
tell me i'm not the only one that finds this
cringy
the music is making things worse yes when they're marching all of a sudden
marcus gets started converting people telepathically
like what was the whole point of him touching other androids if you could do
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it from afar i know is he just evolving like why does
he not send that signal out across the city across the nation what are
you doing but but they're not marching they're
marching
this cop cracks me up he's like the first one on the scene
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and he goes i got a lot of androids down here
and then he goes they're marching
marching i cannot but then the march is interrupted when the
police arrive i guess he didn't get a permit
so but they tell them to disperse or they will open fire is that stupid gavin
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was it oh well let me look go look go look go look
it is stupid face um so he gives them another warning wait
i gotta take a step back when they're marching
didn't they like raise their fist in the air or their arms in the air
was it before after this part i continue to
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just cringe at this entire march scene i just every little thing about it i
can't name anything good coming out of the scene i
think perhaps the ultimate moment of cringe is when he says
are you really gonna fire on unarmed protesters
you are pulling that from the internet you have to be
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you just have to you didn't learn this on your own
i don't believe it it's worse because it it happened before the george floyd
protests and it's just i just i feel insulted in a way
i played this game like right after that stuff happened
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and i was like so uncomfortable i was like do i keep going
this just feels disrespectful yeah disrespectful the timing isn't their
fault but i think it's just paired with how
unoriginal the dialogue feels that just makes it feel
disrespectful and horribly horribly cringy and uncomfortable
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i almost wanted to throw up from how uncomfortable this entire scene made me
i hide in my shirt like this when i see this scene
anyway let's move on okay gavin gives them another warning north of course
wants to attack them but no gavin gives them a third warning
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at this point marcus decides they're gonna stay in their ground and then a
round of gunfire goes off killing some deviants
but public opinion goes up after that round of shots
gavin gives them one last chance and marcus decides oh
it's maybe it's time to disperse now but it seems gavin may have gotten another
order and they shoot at them anyway but i think that this is the best outcome
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for public opinion which is what i was going for
but jericho takes a big dip in that relationship
yeah definitely because you choose to bring your people to danger only to
last minute become a coward and back off so i'm i i kind of want to see what
happens if he stayed like if marcus dies or anything
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my goal was uh keep as many of them alive
while getting the most public opinion and i felt like
running in fear while being mowed down by gunfire
it's a pretty good way to get sympathy it sounds so bad
but it's true i'm so glad that's over i'm glad we're we're done talking
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about it so i think i have a new theory for
this game so far with all the talks about the world war three breaking out
with the arctic war or whatever they're calling it
maybe that's just a parallel with the war that's brewing between humans and
androids i'm wondering if that's if we continue to
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read magazines about it and then we continue to watch the
situation between androids and humans are they going to be
having two wars happening at the same time yeah
this is a game i played it i've played it three times i've seen it
other people play it like once or twice but i don't know it
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that well this is not an outlast you know i don't know this game to the
to the extent that i know other games that we've played
so i'm still doing a lot of speculating as well so i'm excited to see where we
land because this is the first time that i've really considered
are they actually living in free will because i'm starting to doubt it
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i feel like someone else has a plan here what if cyber
life's goal was to actually take over the world by pushing androids out
mass market them knowing that at some point they're going to become deviants
and then they'll have their own will when it's still somewhat under cyber
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life's control they just don't realize that because they are still operating
under a code what if cyber life wants to take over the
world and cyber life will have at this point painted themselves as
the only ones you can trust to control the androids
anything else on part four or should we close it out
i think we should close it out if we start talking i'm just going to talk
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about how cringy this the scene is so we'll tackle the
final part of gameplay next week we'll see how it ends
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you
In this episode, I think we found the man who the
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my husband got an android pregnant article was written about
and the androids, they're my option.
Thank you for coming back from our replay reviews
my name is Leah and my name is Cathy. We are two friends who are here to replay,
review,
and analyze your favorite video games and since Cathy has never seen the games
before
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it helps me view them through her fresh eyes almost like I'm discovering them
again for the first time.
We hope it will be a similar experience for you.
So it's November 8th, 5 to 10 p.m.
Kara, Luther, and Alice arrive at their destination, the home of a woman named
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Rose
who is known to help androids across the border into Canada.
We first meet Adam, though, Rose's son, who is not as eager to help
but Rose does eventually bite them in. How do we know we can trust
Rose and why is she helping androids across the border?
Like what's in it for her? Yeah, it's
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it's a big risk. Wasn't there an article about Canada being
android free or is it that androids are equal? I think there's no laws
there's no android laws is the line I remember
okay but I don't know what that means like if that means that they can just be
free
after they're inside they get Alice settled in for a nap
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and she asks Kara why the humans hate them. First of all, how has no one corrected
her?
Two, why does she think that she's an android?
And three, why is Kara not addressing it?
They're just- when she says we, I'm assuming she's thinking
herself as an android. It could be that or it could just be
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the fact that they have to be on the run and she doesn't understand it.
They don't understand perspective because
we know Todd was an ass but not everybody knows that.
So I feel like the public perspective is just
this android murdered a man so yeah they're gonna be
not very fond of them. Alice says
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Why can't we just talk to each other?
They'd see we're not bad. This is a question that I have for this entire game
and I think we'll discuss it more later but especially I think it pertains to
Connor's character.
I have a note because Luther is so
good with Alice and he's just so nice
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my note is Luther's so great. That's the benchmark fellas.
Yeah honestly especially to
a woman with a daughter even though it's not really Kara's daughter
but still the fact that he's not weird around kids
is a massive green flag. Even if you don't want kids it still is.
And then okay here's what I don't
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understand. I feel like I'm gonna be saying that a lot this episode but
back downstairs Kara is talking to Rose
and she introduces herself as Kara
but then Rose immediately goes have a seat Kara
and like Luther calls her Kara
so many people call her Kara but she introduces herself as Kara
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and I don't understand why nobody in the game pronounces her name right except for
Alice.
And you can't even blame it on an accent thing either.
No. This is like calling origami
origami. Heavy rain reference.
The origami killer.
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Oh gosh okay Rose informs
Kara that the only way to Canada is across the river which is now
frozen making it very risky. She suggests that they stay until things settle down
after Marcus's
speech caused a tizzy. But Kara is determined
to get to Canada. They're interrupted by another deviant that beckons Rose to
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come see if she can help
Mary another deviant and I guess
she can't. Seems like Mary has pretty much shut down for good.
Also it's kind of rude that they vandalized
Rose's wall. They like wrote
I'm alive or R9 all over it or something. I think it's a little bit rude.
How are they shutting down? Is it like from damage or do they need to be
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recharged? Just how does how does that work and couldn't Kara just like
touch her hand and like rejuvenate her?
I don't know. I think it must just be that like
some of the parts gave out were damaged because
yeah we haven't seen anything that says they need to be charged
but I agree. I feel like they need to tell us a little bit more.
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Kara seems pretty freaked out though and I'm wondering if it's because she's
worried that the scene might happen to her one day and
she'll leave Alice behind. I wondered if she was
worried about Alice seeing that. Just seeing
death I guess even though she's already seen
a murder right in front of her. I mean it's not really murder but
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you know. It's a valid point because Alice is there seeing this.
Yeah. So back in the kitchen Adam and Rose are arguing and Adam is
against Rose's whole mission of trying to save
androids and Adam is in Rose's eyes out of line the way he just
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that and threatening to call the police right? Yeah.
Yeah. Why is Adam just so against his mom helping them?
And I know that there's danger and he probably doesn't want his mom to get in
trouble. I get his point though. So Rose gets mad
and says they're not machines they're alive and his
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response is I'm alive and I feel like he really has a
point there because this is his mother. Shouldn't he be
top priority to his mother and she is putting them both at risk and
he's scared and so I feel like you should either
stop or figure out a way to do it that doesn't also
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implicate your son. Which is really valid because
if anything happens to Rose she's leaving Adam behind.
So I totally understand where Adam's coming from. He could probably work on his
delivery a bit but still. Yeah I do think he gets a little
over emotional and a little uh rude. Yeah. Yeah. So after this
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spat Rose leaves to go try to set up a border crossing.
As Kara we wander around she talks to Alice.
She talks to Luther and Luther says Kara there's something I need to tell you.
It's about Alice and she goes not now Luther
and walks away. Which is annoying because her whole priority is Alice yet the
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moment they need to have this conversation she's
like not now. I know it's annoying. Poor Luther.
Again be like him he's so patient. Anything before the cop arrives?
No. Sorry I just noticed the baby with sunglasses on.
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Oh it's a you can't see it but it says it's a it's a walker for babies. It's a
Mustang. It's a pink Mustang little race car for the kid to sit in the walker and
move around. As a kid I always wanted one of those
Barbie Jeeps or even the knockoff you know. I had one it was so much fun as a kid.
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I loved it. My parents would never let me have one which in hindsight
probably a good idea because my friend had one and I did
run over her little brother.
That's crazy. And I'm not kidding that's like the one thing
where I'm like my childhood is incomplete because I didn't have one of those.
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Oh where were we? Oh so please. The cop soon arrives and rings the doorbell.
Luther and Alice go hide upstairs while Adam and Carl let the cop in and act as
if all is normal. Adam's losing it though. Oh he's close
to falling apart. It goes well minor suspicion when he sees
the magazine cover which he could not find. Eventually he leaves. Rose returns
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and says we leave tonight. Yeah crisis averted. Any other notes for
you on scene one? What look that police scene so unnecessary
that took so long. It could have been shortened but also
that coffee machine though it's so pretty. I really like it. And it's so fast.
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Immediate copy. I mean mine's pretty quick too to be fair. It's shape and
everything. I just I think it would look really good in your house too.
It would. I like mine now because it's so slender.
Doesn't take up any space and plus it was free from. You could have stole it from me though
from my white elephant. It could have been mine.
Well you should have acted more excited because I was either had to steal from
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you or Morgan because you both had one and Morgan seemed really excited so I
felt too bad to steal from you. What are you talking about? I was excited.
I don't recall. What? I don't recall. Okay moving on.
Um scene two? Scene two. November 9th 151 am. We're back to Jericho. North and Josh
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have an argument.
Kathy. I don't know which writers were in charge of the
Jericho characters but the dialogue is so cringy. It just actually sounds like two
AI bots having a discussion. It's so cliche. It's just so bad.
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It's worse than chat gbt. It's almost like
the first stages of AI but it also feels like a seventh grader writing the
script. It really really does and we won't get
too far into it because I know later we're gonna have a lot of
comments but Marcus walks in and he's like hey
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quit fighting and his plan is to attack all five Detroit cyber life stores which
five in one city? Goodness they're doing quite well and they're gonna set the
androids free. He says no violence. Well they also make it sound like Simon's
dead which okay I guess is some foreshadowing but
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unless you see the body that's a that's a quite big assumption but we'll
get we'll talk some more about that in a bit.
We will. Buddy found a walking stick
or he army crawled all the way back or he
he swam he army crawled to the sewer and swam from there. Okay we're getting
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ahead of ourselves. Okay um my next note is about when they're
in the city. Okay so we get to the mission.
It's we're at we're with North and Marcus and
this this starts the extreme distaste I have for North as a character.
Okay I'm glad because I hate her at this point.
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This has nothing to do with the actress. I think the actress does a great job
with what she's given. I think she's given utter
to be honest. I really do because here's her line right? Here's the
first one in the line of hot cringe we're gonna hear in this scene.
I've been waiting a long time for this. Have you?
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Because I think it's been four days since we met you
if that. And the thing is this entire time she has been hiding at Jericho if it
wasn't for Marcus she would have continued to be hiding so
all of a sudden she's pretending like she's excited for this and then what's
up with the outfit change? I hope people agree with this. Anyway
moving on they need to dismantle the police drone which is as we analyze it
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we see that it's moving in a loop right? So then when I'm pre-constructing a
route for for Marcus to dismantle the drone one
of the options doesn't work because it would be too late but it's on a loop
so can he not just climb up there and just wait for it to come around
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again? That's what I don't get I saw that and I was like
just wait for it to come around. Yeah agreed.
We find where the trucks are kept and we find the security line in the
cyber life store which he follows to an area where he can
hack it. Also why does he jump down like that?
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Let me find it for you. I'm gonna play it slow a little slow so you can
see it better.
That's how you break your knees. Why'd he do that?
Anyway we create an inner loop in the security feed.
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Oh my gosh so then they go to get the truck right to then ram the store.
It's just like every single one of her lines is a one-liner like there's no
substance to her character which I feel like is a missed opportunity
when they're trying to get the truck out. There's a lock on the door and she hands
him bolt cutters and says I wonder what
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you'd do without me. All you did was pick up the bolt cutters.
Relax. Calm down woman. At this point she's so
loud and doing everything that they're doing.
She's yelling at Marcus come here when looking at like the construction
workers. She's just annoying
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at this point. She talks like as if she's better than Marcus
which she's not because without Marcus she wouldn't be where she is.
And I just cannot stand that attitude coming from her.
But let's just get the rest of the hate out for her real quick.
So here are some more of the lines that I despise.
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Looks like we're ready to make some noise. What are we waiting for?
I knew we'd end up doing something fun. Who is coming
up with this? This is why I feel like they're not really deviant when they're
deviant. They're just AI acting out a different code.
I feel like it's as cringy as some of the stuff you would see
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on TikTok during its earlier days. I feel like my
niece could do a better job writing lines than this and she's nine.
I don't want to hate on her but you're making it awfully easy for me
to hate on her. I'm so glad that you feel the same way
because I thought you were gonna like not agree with me.
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No I was worried that you wouldn't agree with me because I'm like because
the previous episode wasn't that bad so I said that oh
cool no she has a crush on Marcus but then immediately like 180 I'm like I
don't like her and I'm really glad you feel the same way because
this is so bad. Yeah yeah we'll talk about a little bit more as it progresses
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but for now we're in the cyber life store and Marcus gives a speech
in which he considers himself to have been a slave
and I don't really understand this because number one
he was a gift so it's not like Carl bought him because he wanted him to be a
servant. Number two Carl treated him pretty well
from what we see and they had a father-son relationship so I don't
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understand Marcus's perspective. It feels wrong but I
feel like it's because of how he was treated
from Carl's son so it's because of the the nastiness that
Leah was demonstrating of what humans could do
overshadowed all the good deeds that Carl did
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and I think that's what's pushing Marcus to
go to this extreme. They succeed in busting out all the androids and then
they leave their peaceful mark on Capitol Park but the police interrupt it
and they run. I'm wondering if Marcus is the only person who has that
ability to free the androids because we don't really see North doing the same
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thing and I don't know if it's just because
they decided it wasn't important enough or if it's truly
something that Marcus was able to overcome in his code
and then be able to spread it to others. Right
because if others can do it they're not and that's really weird and that almost
paints Marcus as kind of like a dictator where he decides
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who's free and you know it's weird and maybe they just don't show it maybe it's
just something overlooked but I think they make a lot of mistakes
with Marcus's storyline in this game.
Marcus hears gunshots and runs to find some of the deviants
have died and others have taken the cops hostage.
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There's just two of them. Marcus decides to let them go and not execute them
but how hilarious would it be if the android that he gave the gun to just
shot them anyway? And how is he not telling the police to do better that
I'll let you live if you choose to not kill us anymore or to resign or to
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start speaking out for us? He just lets them go
and that's a massive risk that you're taking to put your faith in someone who's
already killed others and I'm annoyed at how North is just
acting in this scene too like she's offended that he isn't choosing the
violent way but also she's acting like she didn't know
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there's a risk of androids dying. But also this moment Marcus's
line it's more just crap he goes an eye for an eye and the
whole world goes blind. So cheesy. It should have been something
that Carl said to him and now it's coming into play.
Here's why I choose to be pacifist. Number one,
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for the public opinion support. But number two,
because I don't understand where his hate would be coming from. As we've
discussed his relationship with Carl was pretty good
and yeah he got shot when he shouldn't have.
Leo was an ass. He got pushed around in the square
area but the game doesn't do enough to show
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us Marcus being angry. Like they just want us to assume that he is but this
game needed to give another part to his story maybe it was
cut but they needed to give something else in those earlier chapters that
showed him growing hateful towards the humans.
Agreed. I think that's something I didn't think about it but it makes a lot of
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sense is there must have been either a massive
plot hole of something that happened to break Marcus or
like an equivalent of a Todd situation except that was threatening
Marcus and he had to choose between saving himself or saving
Carl. I don't understand why he would be jumping immediately into violence when
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that's never really been his personality. I honestly think that the writers of
this game was hoping that we as the players are angry
people and we love violence and we would want to see violence.
I don't think they're counting on us to be pacifists on this kind of
situation. Yeah and this is where I also feel like
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because obviously North is the one trying to push him to be
violent and I feel like her character would probably be a lot better if we do
go that route but I feel like the only influence we
have for Marcus wanting to be violent is North and we don't know anything about
North. We should have seen Marcus originally
with like a Todd kind of person and then he ends up with
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Carl and so he has the experience of the bad and the good
and then it's more of like oh no which one do I choose.
I was just going to kind of go over some even more cheesy quotes that
Marcus was saying and I just can't get over the one where he says
I choose to open my eyes and take back my freedom
and then you could be your own master take your destiny
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in your own hands. I just I'm just cringing.
That's it's so generic. It's just painfully unoriginal
but by the end of the scene we see more newscasts and the public opinion has
increased to supportive. Moving on to scene three
November 9th 11 17 a.m. Connor and Hank arrive at the home of
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Elijah Kamsky the father of androids to ask him about deviancy.
Before they go in Hank tells Connor that Chris an officer he knows was one of the
ones that was held up by the deviants. He told Hank that Marcus himself let
him go. I'm curious what's going through his mind
and I don't think I've ever seen a playthrough where the officer gets shot
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because I'm curious how that would affect this scene like how would that
affect Hank's mood and Connor's mood and their dialogue. We need to watch a
playthrough for a summary of what happened if Marcus at that point
chose violence. And then as they're walking to the door
Connor says Kamsky left cyber life 10 years ago why
did you want to meet him and Hank responds this guy created the first
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android to pass the Turing test and he's the founder of cyber life if
anyone can tell us about deviance it's him. One of Kamsky's androids
Chloe lets them inside and in the waiting room I guess
Connor sees a picture of Kamsky and Amanda together.
Turns out Amanda was a professor of AI but she passed in 2027.
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What are your thoughts on Amanda now? I think she faked her death.
I think Amanda right now is hiding and hiding.
Okay intense. I don't know people know Amanda exists like do we know for sure
that Amanda's out in the public or is
her extent of being out there just with Connor?
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I don't know and I think this is kind of because I think before learning this
you could easily assume that they're meeting.
Well no because we see that it's pretty much in his head that they're taking
place but there's nothing that's not saying well
she could connect in from somewhere else too. But also we
also learned that Kamsky was her student. Kamsky is really full of himself like
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who has a massive photo of themselves in their
lobby? Okay so why do we have to wait so long for this guy when he's just
stewing in his pool? And also why is it red? What a horrible
choice for a pool. I was just about to say that
man those androids must be having serious periods in that pool.
Oh god I had to take it back. I'm sorry. I mean it's no different than
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kids peeing in pools in a way. Do you think they do though? Can
they can they pee poo? Can they
can they do any of that? No because I don't think that you would use the
bathroom in a non-pool situation. Okay but Elijah is like wait a minute
before I arrive and he walks to one end of the pool
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only to walk back to the other end of the pool. Like what are you doing?
And then the two androids in the pool are just like watching him.
I'm just so confused. Oh and he must really like that model of android
because wouldn't you want some variety? Like
you got at least three of the same one. So they finally begin talking with Kamsky
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and Hank asks if he can tell them something that they don't
already know about deviancy. Kamsky goes on to talk about
androids and describes them as perfect beings
but at a hundred percent I'm convinced that he says
perfect beans. I'm gonna cut it in. Tell me that he doesn't say beans.
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Perfect beans. Beans. He gives them the roundabout but Connor is not
having it. He says millions could die if confrontations continue and says
it's quite a serious matter. Kamsky then turns on Connor and says
what about you? Whose side are you on? He responds that he has no side and
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Kamsky says well that's what you're programmed to say
but what do you really want? We see him pushing Connor here
and Connor gets kind of mad again and says I don't know what you're getting at
and we see another spike in instability and then this is where Kamsky goes on to
mention the Turing test but says what really interests him is whether
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machines are capable of empathy. I call it the Kamsky test. How
arrogant is he to be naming that the Kamsky test?
I know. He doesn't seem like a very empathetic person
so I don't I don't know why this is his test.
He then proceeds to tell Connor that he will tell him everything he knows about
deviancy if he shoots Chloe. Also why does he just have a poolside
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gun? Self-defense? I don't know but he is such a creep. He's been in
creep mode this entire time because when he has Chloe stand over he's calling
her a flower that never withers. What a weird
creepy dude. He is creepy. I feel like he's just been waiting for this. He's like
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finally something entertaining. Hank is pissed at him though and I
love his line. Sorry to get you out of your pool.
So about Kamsky in this moment what is he doing? Like is he just trying
to push Connor to deviancy? Does he just want to be god and he's
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trying to create new life with a soul and that's what deviancy and the
Kamsky test are or proof of a soul? That's what I don't
understand about Kamsky. I don't know what side he
really falls under and I don't know what values
he has because I don't know if he wants there to be a war between androids
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and humans and he wanted androids to become
deviants to have their own mind and think and he'll see that that as his
greater success or if he sees androids being deviant as a
problem. I feel like overall he just seems entertained and he likes
watching all the chaos. Connor decides to not shoot Chloe which leads to a very
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large spike in software instability and Kamsky's response to this is
fascinating. Cyberlife's last chance to save humanity
is itself a deviant. What went through your mind
when you decided to not shoot? There's a couple things.
We have the one side of he wants to accomplish his mission
and that would equal shooting Chloe to get the information
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but we also have Hank in the background who's saying
don't do it Connor, let's go. From an android standpoint he is
receiving two conflicting orders again. Yes in the past we've seen him
prioritize orders for his mission over orders given to him by Hank
but his relationship with Hank has improved significantly since then
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but then also back to Connor again this is a tipping point
for him and I think he's he's gone too far
at this point to shoot her. I think that that would be an unrealistic step
backwards for his character in terms of having this be narratively
pleasing so I just felt like the right thing is
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for him to not shoot her but he's not happy about it.
And it falls more in line with what Connor has been doing
that he still feels regret from the way things happened during the
blue hair Tracy situation and I think had you shot him
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it would have been the equivalent of Marcus all of a sudden getting so much
hate. It's where is it coming from? Connor's response though is I'm not a
deviant then Kamsky says you showed empathy a war is coming you'll have to
choose your side remember that line because I have issues with that
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so he and Hank turn to leave and on their way out Kamsky yells
by the way I always leave an emergency exit in my programs
you never know you never know what right you never know they're going to
fight against you fight for you self-destruct
and then outside Hank asked Connor why he didn't shoot
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visibly upset Connor responds I just saw that girl's eyes
and I couldn't that's all you're always saying you would do anything to
accomplish your mission that was our chance to learn something
and you let it go yeah I know what I should have done I told you I couldn't
I'm sorry but then Hank ends it by saying maybe you did the right thing
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I love Hank's protectiveness over Connor as we continue to watch them grow
and develop their relationship I like how he doesn't blame Connor but
allows for Connor to tap into his own feelings
and not feel guilt or if he is to be able to process that without
telling Connor how he should be feeling and I feel like Hank is starting to feel
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how I feel about Connor's character which is like
he just can't win he's in the middle of two sides that just are asking both
sides are asking a lot of him anything else for scene three no let's
do the fourth and final scene oh Cathy Cathy Cathy
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I feel like I need to take a shot before we discuss the scene
this is gonna be an hour-long discussion look all right November 9th
12 of 4 p.m. so Marcus is clearly struggling with his duty of leadership
and North eventually joins him up where he's doing and it's like an area
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where it kind of overlooks the city and we get another one Cathy
we get another great line from North she says
it's like being alone with the world and even before that a freaking piano
scene again like where did this piano come from
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oh yeah why is it there number one but I thought it would be a nice little
tribute to Carl because I'm like Marcus remember
your guy Carl at this point again I'm going back to talk about how annoyed I
am with her outfit why are they making her
outfit like it's some kind of post-apocalyptic
fashion that you see only in like early 2000s movies
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of like exposing half your shoulder because Marcus isn't doing that why why
her no he's ready to run right and then you have outfits like
north with the beanie and a shirt exposing the shoulder yeah why
the beanie if it's cold enough to need a beanie you
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don't want your shoulders out exactly the outfit does maybe that's why we
don't like it it just does not make temperature sense to us
is she the new madison close it's close oh no
so the next thing they're doing after cringey lines
is they do like a palm to palm thing between
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north and marcus which yeah tender moment also is very cringey and then it
talks about her background that she pretty much is sexually
assaulted but I feel like there's other opportunities
for her to show her hate against humans I've mentioned a couple times about me
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feeling like our deviants actually I do they actually have free will or are
they just is this just another ai program about
this is what you do when you want to be free right this is what you do when you
want to be human because her situation is literally what
happened at the eden club with connor and hank but just with
different androids so is there something in the code you
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know what i'm saying it's a repeat of the same
the exact same she strangled him too to me this is evidence of code
maybe that's the emergency exit plan that
when things get tough for androids every single situation there is going to be
the emergency exit to prevent it from getting bad if
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you're sexually assaulted your code is to then strangle them
yeah and if you get abuse your code is to stab them or like
beat them up similar to what we've seen maybe those are the emergency exits for
the androids to be able to leave a crappy situation right because like for
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carlos or tiz's android physical assault what does he know is on
scene a knife he uses the knife if the knife's
not there but in car situation a gun is there what
do you use use the gun so it's it still feels like it's code it's ai
just reacting to the environment are they really free i think this is a
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summary question back to talking about north's background
i feel like if we wanted to demonstrate her hate for humans
it didn't have to be her being sexually assaulted
or her being a pleasure android and is it only because she's a female that
that's her storyline because come on let's do better as writers
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and writing female characters well and if it isn't a hint that oh
this is part of like they're not really free this is a repeat incident well then
it's just lazy writing because it's literally
the exact same incident and also why does that mean that you hate all
humans one person assaulted you i mean i'm not saying that doesn't
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suck but one bird pooped on my shoulder i don't
hate every bird exactly
you know what i mean where did that come from
did the bird actually poop on you i just never happened to me before
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i was thinking you're speaking from personal experience of a bird actually
pooping on you that was just the example that came to my mind
we drank earlier were you done anyways yeah my next note is simon simon
okay so let's review the history of simon the new station incident
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simon gets shot and can't use his legs they say
well you're staying here or we're killing you
simon is left behind and so the whole thing is like he can't use his legs
that's the whole pinnacle of oh no do we spare him or do we kill him
but then this guy shows up walking on legs
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in jericho how what happened and the thing is he doesn't blame anyone
for not saving him and isn't annoyed by the fact that north
wanted to kill him and that i was i pointed the gun at him
and i decided not to i just don't i don't understand simon
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i just yeah simon simon just threw me for a loop
sometime later we're in the city and we're walking around it sounds like
we're playing in something big right but then in the background you can hear
this woman saying why so you can stare at my
fucking android all night
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i feel like they should have hired you as a voice actress
like her guy just wants to do the wants to do the android
it's just such a hilarious background line
the gang heads into the city to march i'm glad that you had a similar reaction
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to me because i had in my notes please please
tell me i'm not the only one that finds this
cringy
the music is making things worse yes when they're marching all of a sudden
marcus gets started converting people telepathically
like what was the whole point of him touching other androids if you could do
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it from afar i know is he just evolving like why does
he not send that signal out across the city across the nation what are
you doing but but they're not marching they're
marching
this cop cracks me up he's like the first one on the scene
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and he goes i got a lot of androids down here
and then he goes they're marching
marching i cannot but then the march is interrupted when the
police arrive i guess he didn't get a permit
so but they tell them to disperse or they will open fire is that stupid gavin
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was it oh well let me look go look go look go look
it is stupid face um so he gives them another warning wait
i gotta take a step back when they're marching
didn't they like raise their fist in the air or their arms in the air
was it before after this part i continue to
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just cringe at this entire march scene i just every little thing about it i
can't name anything good coming out of the scene i
think perhaps the ultimate moment of cringe is when he says
are you really gonna fire on unarmed protesters
you are pulling that from the internet you have to be
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you just have to you didn't learn this on your own
i don't believe it it's worse because it it happened before the george floyd
protests and it's just i just i feel insulted in a way
i played this game like right after that stuff happened
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and i was like so uncomfortable i was like do i keep going
this just feels disrespectful yeah disrespectful the timing isn't their
fault but i think it's just paired with how
unoriginal the dialogue feels that just makes it feel
disrespectful and horribly horribly cringy and uncomfortable
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i almost wanted to throw up from how uncomfortable this entire scene made me
i hide in my shirt like this when i see this scene
anyway let's move on okay gavin gives them another warning north of course
wants to attack them but no gavin gives them a third warning
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at this point marcus decides they're gonna stay in their ground and then a
round of gunfire goes off killing some deviants
but public opinion goes up after that round of shots
gavin gives them one last chance and marcus decides oh
it's maybe it's time to disperse now but it seems gavin may have gotten another
order and they shoot at them anyway but i think that this is the best outcome
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for public opinion which is what i was going for
but jericho takes a big dip in that relationship
yeah definitely because you choose to bring your people to danger only to
last minute become a coward and back off so i'm i i kind of want to see what
happens if he stayed like if marcus dies or anything
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my goal was uh keep as many of them alive
while getting the most public opinion and i felt like
running in fear while being mowed down by gunfire
it's a pretty good way to get sympathy it sounds so bad
but it's true i'm so glad that's over i'm glad we're we're done talking
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about it so i think i have a new theory for
this game so far with all the talks about the world war three breaking out
with the arctic war or whatever they're calling it
maybe that's just a parallel with the war that's brewing between humans and
androids i'm wondering if that's if we continue to
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read magazines about it and then we continue to watch the
situation between androids and humans are they going to be
having two wars happening at the same time yeah
this is a game i played it i've played it three times i've seen it
other people play it like once or twice but i don't know it
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that well this is not an outlast you know i don't know this game to the
to the extent that i know other games that we've played
so i'm still doing a lot of speculating as well so i'm excited to see where we
land because this is the first time that i've really considered
are they actually living in free will because i'm starting to doubt it
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i feel like someone else has a plan here what if cyber
life's goal was to actually take over the world by pushing androids out
mass market them knowing that at some point they're going to become deviants
and then they'll have their own will when it's still somewhat under cyber
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life's control they just don't realize that because they are still operating
under a code what if cyber life wants to take over the
world and cyber life will have at this point painted themselves as
the only ones you can trust to control the androids
anything else on part four or should we close it out
i think we should close it out if we start talking i'm just going to talk
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about how cringy this the scene is so we'll tackle the
final part of gameplay next week we'll see how it ends
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