October 3, 2024 • 38 mins
Happy Horror Month and welcome to Until Dawn - in part one, we join a group of friends on a snowy mountain and get a bit more excitement than expected. After a tragedy befalls the Washington twins, the rest of the gang meets up a year later to try to get back to normal - but things quickly go sideways. Don't forget to watch or play along - gameplay is posted weekly on our YouTube channel where we also have new video episodes! You can also find us on our website, Instagram, Twitter, and Reddit. Please consider supporting Eggy Toast here if you enjoyed the music in this episode.
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It's Horror Month, probably the most perfect Horror Month.
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We're starting it out with episode 13.
And Halloween is on a Thursday,
so we don't even have to alter our schedule.
It's perfect.
Should we do the out of context summary?
Mm-hmm.
In this episode, we face angry icicles,
a panting menace, and Emily.
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She's a menace to society.
Thank you for coming back for replay reviews.
Horror Month.
My name is Leah.
And my name is Cathy.
Ah!
We are two friends who are here to replay a review
and analyze your favorite video games.
And since Cathy has never seen the games before,
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it helps me view them through her fresh eyes,
almost like I am discovering them again for the first time.
We have a similar experience for you.
Oh my God.
Do I sound like Dracula or just Italian?
He's not Italian.
So we start out with the prologue.
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We're introduced to the butterfly effect.
A tiny butterfly flapping its wings today
may lead to a devastating hurricane weeks from now.
Building off of that,
this is a game that I know super well.
I know it really well.
So I did, I made a wheel to randomly select which choices
because it's a decision-based game
as the butterfly effect is explaining.
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Soon we see a wintery cabin with occupants inside
and someone seems to be watching them.
We learn a bit more about the group dynamics.
Hannah likes Mike,
but Mike, the class prez, is dating Emily.
Jessica is somehow going to mess with Hannah
because of this and Sam is not on board
and she goes off looking for Hannah.
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I hate this mean girl type of situation.
I, knowing where it's going to go,
if Hannah survives, I don't blame it
if she decides to kill everyone here.
It gets out of hand.
So we see the majority of the gang hiding in a bedroom
and Hannah walks in where Mike is waiting for her.
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But then we cut back to the kitchen
where Beth sees the creepy person outside.
We quickly learn through dialogue
that Beth is not only the sister of Hannah,
but they have a brother, Josh,
who's passed out in the kitchen.
And this appears to be their parents' property.
I'm wondering if Josh is passed out because he got drunk
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or if he was drugged by someone.
I think it's hinted at it was the Jeremiah crag
that did him in.
Okay.
But you never know.
Beth does find a note in the kitchen that reads,
"'Hannah, you look so damn hot in that shirt,'
dot, dot, dot, but I bet you're even hotter out of it.
Come to the guest room at 2 a.m.
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Winky face, Mike, xxx."
And this is when we go back to the guest room.
Mike flirts with Hannah, who starts to take off her shirt
when everyone pops out and they're filming her.
Shame on all of them too.
And they're doing this because of a crush.
It's just so mean girl type of thing.
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I can't handle this kind of situation.
I want to punch them all in the faces.
Back in the kitchen to Beth,
she sees somebody walk by the window.
We see it's Hannah, but she may not have noticed that.
And this is where we have our first choice of the game.
The wheel chooses to have Beth run to find the others
and they all run outside trying to find Hannah
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where Emily yells, "'It was just a prank, Han.'"
So, okay, again, I want to punch Emily
because none of them are feeling remorseful
when they should be and this isn't a prank.
This is a complete like setup
just to be a bullying kind of thing.
And Hannah did nothing wrong.
Beth runs after Hannah
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and along the way she finds an odd object on the ground.
And when investigated, it shows us a clip of Hannah
and Beth falling onto rocks.
And the words death totem pop up on the screen.
I can't tell if it's a curse or if it's foreshadowing.
I love playing this game.
For the first time, I feel like this game is just so good
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because there's a lot that happens in the prologue
that's just confusing, but interesting.
Speaking of fire, fire in the forest.
I don't know, it's not like it's not dry or anything.
It's freaking winter for them.
So.
I remember the first time that I played it
with my brother and our friends, we were like,
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are there dragons, what is going on, it's so confusing.
So Beth soon finds Hannah and gives her her coat.
While this is happening, we see a different point of view.
It's red with flashes of white.
It almost seems like those movies
where the alien versus predator,
but it's these aliens that only see like things
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like the thermodynamic heat wave signature things.
And I thought that this game was just gonna be like normal.
There wasn't gonna be like magic
or anything involved besides like the totem.
But now you have this in, so you're wondering,
is this just a human wearing certain glasses
or is there a freaking monster in the forest?
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They both react to something that they either see or hear
and start running in fear along the way Hannah loses her phone.
They're then cornered when they run to a cliff.
So they keep backing up as something
that we don't see as approaching them.
And they fall over, but Beth is holding on to a root
with one hand and Hannah with the other.
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We then see more fire and a creepy looking guy
reaches his hand out to Beth.
And we now have to choose to drop Hannah
or let go of the root.
The wheel landed on dropping Hannah.
Which I thought you chose to drop Hannah
and in my comments is like, why did you do that?
It's the wheel.
She then with her free hand that let go of Hannah
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reaches up for the mysterious hand
that's reaching out to her.
And then the root gives way karma and they both fall down
and we see the same scene that we just saw
in the death totem.
What if something else happened
between picking up the totem of foreshadowing
and maybe if you had chose to keep Hannah's hand
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and the root didn't fall,
maybe you would have survived
and proved that foreshadowing incorrect.
And this is where the butterfly effect happens
is that you already chose your decision
when one thing happened.
But you already knew that that was the future.
So I'm like, is it really the butterfly effect in a way?
I don't know.
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I'm just confused at this point.
This one's a bit different,
which we'll see when we go to the analyst, Dr. AJ Hill.
He says, no one can change what happened last year.
So it's kind of a hint to the player that the prologue,
you can't really change the fate of Hannah and Beth,
but you can just change outcomes later.
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It is what it is in the prologue.
Any reactions to Dr. AJ Hill yet?
This guy's a creep.
I don't know.
I don't like the way he's presenting it,
but I'm also confused about this conversation.
It feels like he's speaking to us,
but then when we see him again,
it doesn't feel that way anymore.
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It feels like then he's talking
to one of the characters in it.
Are we supposed to feel like we're, as a player,
interacting directly with him,
or are we supposed to feel like we are a character
and that character is talking to the therapist?
It's a good question.
I really like these segments of the game.
I don't think I've seen anything like it before.
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He's not very happy with us.
He thinks that we're not being honest.
This therapist is already making me quite suspicious.
So after the first section of credits,
we see Sam on a bus and she's listening to a news report
on her way to the lodge.
We learn that it has been one year
since the mysterious disappearance of the sisters
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and the news lady,
or I think it's a cop being interviewed, says,
There is one individual we're considering
as a person of interest,
but his whereabouts are currently unknown.
He has an interesting history with the Washington family.
He had warned them against
pursuing their construction project
and claimed the land was sacred to his forefathers.
You know, there is still the old sanatorium on the mountain.
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Could he be hiding there?
My officers did search the grounds,
but the girls themselves couldn't have made it that far.
After the news clip, Sam watches a video from Josh.
He's happy to have everyone back
to the annual Blackwood Winner getaway.
How did none of the friends pass up
what happened to give the police more hints?
And in doing so, let them know and loop Josh in
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about what they did to his sister,
because I think if he knew,
he wouldn't be so friendly and open to these people
coming into his house,
especially when he's saying that,
I think my sisters would like it,
like having this group again.
But at the same time, what if Josh knew this
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and is purposely leading them all into the same place
where his sisters weren't missing and possibly are dead,
and he's going to carry out revenge?
That's what I'm thinking is the more likely option.
Like he's luring them into his trap.
It is weird and Sam has a reaction
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where she seems a bit uncomfortable and sad.
But after that, the intro credits finish out.
Scene two, it's chapter one, friendship,
10 hours until dawn.
Sam arrives at Blackwood Pines
and we see the same knife-wielding person
watching her from a distance.
Why is he panting like that?
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Ew.
It makes me really uncomfortable.
It's icky, it's gross.
We do get officially introduced to Sam, who is
Hannah's best friend, diligent, considerate, and adventurous.
As she continues on the path,
you can tell that she feels a presence around her,
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but no one answers her when she calls out.
So she stops to read a sign.
It explains the death totem we found as Beth.
It's a dream or prophecy of a possible future.
In addition to death totems, black,
there are danger, red, loss, brown,
guidance, yellow, and fortune, white.
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And then at the base of the sign,
Sam finds a guidance totem showing a bird landing
and flying away.
I wonder if the birds carry more meaning.
Again, it's with the birds,
but with birds and butterflies, just things with wings.
I promise I didn't count the birds this time.
Good golly.
Although it probably would have been easier.
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Now at the cable car station, Sam finds graffiti,
which says the past is beyond our control.
I agree at the same time though,
if it's beyond your control,
you could still right your wrongs with the past.
So it's still a bit in your control.
She also finds Chris's backpack and his phone is buzzing.
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The wheel chooses to close his bag
and we see the butterfly effect message pop up.
And it says, this appears when you've changed
the narrative of the game.
I really want to know what happened
as she picked the phone up.
Yeah, I know he gets mad.
I don't remember what the long-term effects of it are,
but it's a good thing she didn't snoop
because he walks up right behind her.
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And we learned that Chris has a crush on Ashley,
is methodical, protective, and humorous.
Was he there during the prank?
I can't remember.
So I'm pretty sure that he's the second guy
passed out with Josh.
Oh, okay.
So I don't think he's technically involved.
Chris shows Sam a wanted poster he found.
It's for Victor Milgram from 1998,
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and he was wanted for arson and death threats.
Spooky.
Spooky, and I'm thinking he may be that person of interest
that the news talked about,
but the arson part to it is like, that's red,
and then that vision that we saw with just the death totem,
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it kind of looked like it was just like in flames,
like there was fire going on.
This guy likes arson.
I don't know.
Yep, there's random poofs of fire in the forest.
Moving on, Sam is confused
when the cable car station door is locked.
Then Chris says that Josh wanted them to keep it locked
because they've found people sleeping in there before.
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In the cable car station, as Chris,
we find a Blackwood Pines Hotel and Sanatorium poster.
Maybe if Beth and Hannah were still alive,
they would be there.
Also, I'm just realizing how messed up it is
that they built the sanatorium up here
to shove all the mentally ill people onto a mountain
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away from everybody else, but then also why a hotel?
That seems weird.
For family and friends to come visit and stay there.
I hope so.
I hope they visit.
We also find a small TV
showing what looks like a bathtub or a hot tub,
but then it quickly flips to a different camera
showing the outside of the cable car station.
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We now meet Jess at the upper station.
She's Mike's new girlfriend,
confident, trusting, and irreverent.
She connects with Sam and Chris,
who swipes a letter out of her hand.
And I think it's my favorite line in the whole game,
is just the noise that Chris makes.
Wait, do you have it queued up?
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I have it queued up.
Oh!
Oh!
I love it.
And you don't get it every time.
He'll make a different noise depending on your play through.
Really?
Which I think is great.
Chris is kind of annoying right now.
I'm already like kind of annoyed by him,
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but I don't know exactly what it is,
but I'll keep you posted on my feelings.
But right now this is where it's getting at 5%.
For some reason.
I think he's just way too excited and happy.
Maybe that's what it is.
But this letter he swipes is addressed to Mike,
and they discuss the new dynamics and Jess says,
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M's out, I'm in.
And then why does she get all embarrassed
about wanting to wait for him if they're dating?
That seems normal.
That and why didn't they come up there together?
Why are they trying separately?
All good questions.
All right.
Moving on, we meet the next batch of characters.
First up is Emily.
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She's Mike's ex, intelligent, resourceful, and persuasive.
And also Matt, who is Emily's new boyfriend.
He's motivated, ambitious, and active.
And they have a toxic relationship.
Yeah.
Speaking of, as they're walking along the path,
Mike jumps out to scare the poop out of them.
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And we learned that he's Emily's ex,
intelligent, driven, and persuasive.
He shares two qualities with Emily,
which I think is interesting.
Everyone's pretty on the edge,
and then you have people like him and Chris
who just kind of like pop out
and think it's all fun and games.
Yeah.
But also, I just immediately don't like Emily.
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I find her already really annoying
because you could tell she's just using Matt.
And I just feel like she's not a very genuine person.
The random choice wheel leads to a frosty start
for Matt and Mike.
And then when he walks away, not saying, see ya.
See ya.
Emily then asks Matt to take all the bags up
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because she needs to go find Sam.
Why couldn't you just call her?
And wow, what a great relationship
that you start out already lying.
And this is right after the interaction with Mike.
So I feel like any person would be able to tell
that she obviously either still has feelings for him
or she wants to talk to him.
And she isn't being truthful,
and it's doing a disservice to her relationship with Matt.
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And then he goes, we're even at least
for doing this for her.
And she goes, I'll think about it.
Matt deserves better.
He does, he really does.
Even though the wheel is kind of turning him into an ass
in this play through, he still deserves better.
And then we cut to Ashley who has a crush on Chris.
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She's academic, inquisitive, and forthright.
She's looking through binoculars
and sees Emily and Mike together.
And then Matt jump scares her through the binoculars.
How'd you like that?
It's not as bad, some of the jump scares are okay.
Some of them are worse than others,
but I think I'm doing better.
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He asks Ashley what she's looking at
and she allows him to look.
And when he sees he's rightfully upset.
It's very juvenile drama too.
So I don't even know what the ages are with these people,
but they all need some development
in their emotional maturity levels
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because Mike should have known better
than to do something with Emily.
She should have known better.
And Matt should be able to communicate
what he sees with Emily.
It says that either you're with him or we're breaking up.
We're now back to Jessica at the upper station still.
Mike arrives and starts a snowball fight
that gets oddly erotic.
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I don't know how you felt about the scene.
Uncomfortable.
Yeah, agreed.
It gets more uncomfortable when Jess murders
or Robin with the snowball.
The bird reference.
Yeah, I have that on my notes.
I was like, does Cathy recognize this from the totem?
Yeah.
After brief hesitation in mourning
the loss of this innocent bird,
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Mike is right back at it and tackles Jess.
They're interrupted when an icicle almost impales them.
Can that even happen?
I mean, I know that's like a urban legend.
I think it can.
Now I have to Google.
Can you?
Maybe from a certain height.
So while icicles are rarely sharp enough
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or large enough to impale a person,
they can still cause bruises, cuts,
and broken bones when they fall.
However, I think you can.
Wait, is that what you're saying or you're reading?
I think you can.
I'm reading that, but I think you can is my own opinion.
There's potential.
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Anything's possible.
Anything's possible.
So after dodging the icicle, they move on
and then we see the cable car
arriving with a lone occupant.
Should we go back to Dr. Hale?
Yeah.
All right, he says.
This time we're going to try to understand
the root of your anxiety.
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Now pick up that book, turn the pages.
You will see a set of pictures and symbols.
I want you to identify which image in each set
makes you the most anxious.
And through the wheel,
the top three things that we don't like
are snakes, zombies, and thunderstorms.
Dr. Hale says that some combination
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sounds like a good Friday night.
More thoughts on Dr. Hale?
Why are we doing this?
I don't understand.
Are we going to see more snakes, zombies, and thunderstorms?
Yeah, this is probably a pretty weak combination.
I think there'll be a snake on his desk,
but I don't know about the zombies and thunderstorms
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because there's definitely choices that you make
that you'll see them more in the game,
like rats and spiders, you'll see them more.
But I don't feel like we see more zombies or thunderstorms.
So I think some of them are kind of weak.
Okay, it's now chapter two, Jealousy,
Nine Hours Until Dawn.
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We're back to Chris and Sam, and they're now with Josh.
And we learned that he is Hannah and Beth's brother,
complex, thoughtful, and loving.
Feel like we're supposed to think Josh is a good person
and like just naive when I still think he's some,
he's calculative, he's scheming some kind of thing
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to seek revenge for our sisters.
And I hope that's true.
It is kind of weird that they give him thoughtful and loving,
like two really good traits,
like nobody else's traits are that good.
It's a little suspicious.
It still seems like they're being watched.
So I don't know.
But then Chris and Josh have to find a way into the lodge
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when they discover that the lock is iced over.
But on their way, Chris checks in with Ashley.
And then Josh makes comments about her
further down the path, trying to push Chris to go for it.
Pretty quickly, he's not seeing very loving or thoughtful.
Yeah, but I also do think he's setting up
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in a situation where Josh could kill two birds with one stone.
That if he gets Chris and Ashley together,
they're gonna be distracted.
And then he could like immediately kill them both.
You're really thinking about this.
Yeah, the strategy behind it.
I like it.
Okay.
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So Chris finds an axe holder and the axe is missing.
Is the axe with their friend group
or is it with the person that's like creeping up on them?
We don't know.
Yeah. It's a mystery.
And then Chris makes it into the storage
slash garage basement area through a window
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and a light bulb explodes.
I think that that just might be the sudden,
like the heat inside and then the cold temperatures outside
and glass breaking.
Makes sense, makes sense.
Josh tosses a lighter to Chris
and he has an idea to use it with a can of deodorant
as a makeshift flamethrower to melt the lock.
But the fact that Josh quickly then goes like,
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oh, I have something I need to attend to
makes it very suspicious that you're already there.
Why wouldn't you go inside with Chris as well?
Like, you know where the deodorant is.
Why are you making him try to find it by himself?
And what else do you have to do
if you can't get into the lodge?
And then I like when he asks Chris
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if he wants to go night hunting.
And Chris's response is,
Nope, but I'll do it.
That's a friend.
What a good friend.
So in this area, Chris finds a lost totem
which shows Emily being burnt
and a newspaper scrap from 1997 that says,
ex-janitor convicted for arson, Victor Milgram.
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And then a door seemingly closes on its own.
And he finds a prom night photo,
which is, it says senior prom and 2013.
So to answer your question,
I think that they're like 18 or 19.
He also finds a best horror film trophy for Bob Washington.
So Bob is probably the dad then, right?
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Mm-hmm. Okay.
He finds the deodorant,
but is jump scared by a Wolverine.
How did the Wolverine get in there?
Yeah, that's what I want to know.
Why is it in there?
I mean, we saw an open window,
but how does it then open the cabinet?
So with the lock freed,
everyone filters into the lodge and Matt confronts Mike.
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It gets heated.
It gets physical.
Why does he grab Mike's face like that?
I feel like they just both don't know
how to be in actual fight.
And so they're just like,
you know, those memes of two girls
just like slapping their hands back and forth at each other,
holding their arms out trying to avoid their faces.
I have never seen this scene play out like this before.
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Any other time that I've seen it,
Matt's not nearly as aggressive,
and usually it's Emily and Jess that end up fighting.
And I think it's a really fun scene,
so I'm gonna show it to you.
Okay. Here we go.
Oh my God, that is so gross.
Are you trying to swallow his face whole?
I mean, seriously, can she be any more obvious?
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No one wants in on your territory, honey.
Excuse me, did you say something?
Oh, did you not hear me?
Was your sluttiness too loud?
Sounds like someone's bitter she didn't make the cut.
Yeah, it's all a big cattle call with that dreamboat.
Congrats, you're top cow.
Cut's real deep calling in his homecoming a cow.
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Em, come on.
No, shut up, Matt.
Stay out of it, you dumb oaf.
Hey, watch it.
Oh, you're the only one who could put him down?
No one else can play with your toys?
You're such a bitch.
Whatever.
I don't give a crap what you think.
At least I can think.
4.0 bitch, honor roll.
Suck on that when you're trying to sleep your way into a job.
Who needs grades when you've got
all the natural advantages you can handle?
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Oh, please.
You couldn't buy a moldy loaf of bread
with your skanky ass.
Are you serious?
You think that's insulting?
That bitch is on crack or something.
Jessica, you need to shut your mouth, okay?
No.
You're the one who needs to keep your nose
out of other people's business.
I'm about to get right up in your business, you bitch.
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Are we about to get real?
Cause I am down to get real.
Stop it.
I love that scene so much.
Me too.
I kind of want there to be more to it
and just slap each other because Emily is so,
she needs a rude awakening and I hope that like people
like that and that's the thing is actually no people
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like that and I cannot wait for the day where karma
gets them back where they find someone who's meaner
than them and they realize that they can't always
have it their way so I want those two to just slap down.
It's so good.
Cause they're so opposite.
It's like somehow they're evenly matched.
And Mike is just watching his ex and his current ex
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or current girlfriend just, I've had it.
Okay, anyway, in this play through, Josh breaks up the fight
and suggests that Mike and Jess go check out the guest cabin
and then Emily says one of her bags is missing
and she and Matt go to look for it at the station.
Emily makes a massive deal out of like not having the bag
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and where she got it from.
Who does she think she is?
If you really needed it, like carry it yourself.
I know.
They did such a good job just making her so bitchy.
And then Sam's just gonna go take a bath,
which seems weird.
Why is that the first thing you wanna do
when you go into unknown location?
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Like you don't even check out to see
what kind of changes there are.
You have like no awareness, spatial awareness.
They haven't even turned the lights on yet.
Right?
Anything else in scene five?
So we're with Mike and Jess now.
They start walking to the guest cabin.
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I think if they are going to die,
it's probably because their mind's in the gutter
and they have no spatial awareness
that there could be a murder in front of them
and they wouldn't realize that
because they're too busy making dirty jokes.
They just, they're never ending.
But along the way, Mike finds a danger totem.
It appears to show Ashley getting punched in the face
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by like a clown looking thing.
I don't like those clowns.
I don't either.
They have to turn on the generator to light up the path.
And in the generator shed,
we get jump scared by a man in the window
who Mike does not seem to notice.
Lack of spatial awareness.
I'm seeing a murder could be in front of you
and they wouldn't even know it.
Further along the path, they find police tape
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and they say it must be from Hannah and Beth.
And at this point, then Jess is talking to Mike saying that
at least she has awareness.
It might've been their fault.
She doesn't really think it is.
Like it's not really their fault.
But from the player, like if they're being bullies,
they're not gonna admit their wrong
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and the fact that they haven't said anything
just goes to show that they do realize subconsciously
something they did was not okay.
And count their days.
She seems more regretful,
but Mike says that what happened as a result
isn't their fault.
But nothing you did was right though.
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Like there's nothing okay about it.
Okay, so soon they hear a weird like screech.
They're spooked, but they keep going.
My other theory is that it's either Josh
or it's that creepy person,
which we need to give him a name at this point.
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This stalker dude.
I'm thinking that they're playing some kind of music
to freak them out, to lure them into,
I don't know, some kind of trap and then kill them.
Their path is blocked, so they have to go another way.
And they find a mine entrance in which Jess falls down into.
Mike decides to jump down after her
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and this is when we see that they're still being followed
by this guy.
And how is he not caught?
Like how is he that quiet?
In the mine, Mike finds a fortune totem
showing a half naked Jess sitting up,
a cigar stub, which she says it's recent,
a mystical symbol and a map of mine danger areas.
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Well, they push that mine cart.
What do you call those things?
Yeah, the mine cart.
Yeah, the mine cart.
And then it kind of comes back.
So it's either like on a hill
or there's someone on the other end that pushed it back.
Once again, outside the mines, Jess finds a telescope
and looks through it and says that she saw someone
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at the cabin.
So then Mike looks through it
and did he seriously not see that thing?
I mean, Mike has the spatial awareness of a toddler.
But did you have reactions to what that thing,
like what is that?
I don't know.
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I'm like still trying to figure things out right now.
Yeah.
This game really like does its best to confuse you,
which I like.
And then I feel like it wants to try to convince us
that what we just saw is a bear based on the sign
that Mike reads, but they come across another blockage
in the path, which results in Jess climbing
over a downed tree and then disappearing as she screams.
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Who got her?
Is it that creeper?
I don't know.
We quickly cut away though.
We're back to the group that's at the lodge.
Sam and Josh work on getting the hot water turned on.
In the house, Sam finds a business card
for a tattoo parlor with a drawing of a butterfly on it
in Hannah's room, as well as a magazine compatibility test
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on which she scored low.
And it suggests that she do something bold
like getting a tattoo to get her crushes attention.
Was that note written by Mike to her though?
The invitation?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I feel like it's hard to blame Hannah for having crush
when you're inviting her and you just seem so friendly
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with her, which I know maybe part of it is just Hannah
thinking too much of it.
But I don't understand that hate for her so much
in the beginning and the prologue.
I still can't get over that.
Yeah.
I think looking at the invitation,
the part where it's like, I'd be delighted.
That looks like it's printed on the invitation.
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So I don't think that's Mike saying,
I think he's saying that to everyone technically.
But yeah, you can't blame someone
for having a crush on somebody.
And then we also find a Halloween party invitation
from Sam and it features the image
that Dr. Hill first showed us.
That's kind of interesting.
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We have something connecting Dr. Hill
to the current world, current timeline.
I'm wondering what if Dr. Hill participated
in the disappearance of Hannah and Beth.
I don't know how, but I just don't know
how he's connected to all this.
I think it's just more than your general
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therapist-client relationship.
Josh sends Chris and Ashley to go find a spirit board
while he and Sam go to the basement
to deal with the hot water.
On the lower level, Sam finds a picture
of all three siblings and Hannah has her tattoo
in this picture, so she did get a tattoo.
Do we know what it is of?
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I can't remember.
It's a butterfly.
Okay, leaning into that butterfly theme.
Josh tells Sam he is especially glad that she's there
and she assures him that they're all there for him.
Any thought on their dynamic?
I think it's just a friends dynamic.
I don't really sense a romantic thing.
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I think if my theory is right
that Josh is just trying to seek revenge,
he's just acting really friendly to get close to people
to make him seem unsuspecting of,
or not suspicious of anything that is about to go wrong.
And then noises in the basement spook Sam,
but they are able to get the boiler running despite this.
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However, more noises lead them to go investigate
and this is when a figure jumps out at them
and starts chasing them.
Thoughts on this?
I think it's just if it was the serial killer
or that weird stalker person,
I think it's way too soon to make its appearance.
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So I'm like, what is going on?
And it ends up being Chris just freaking them out.
And I will say like people like Chris who act like that
annoy the heck out of me.
And then he has the audacity to say, you just got monked.
Chris reveals the spirit board that he finally found.
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And of course he has to go.
Can we keep your version?
And then what does Sam do?
She goes back up to take a bath.
I don't understand why this bath is so high
on the priority list.
I don't either.
We are back to Dr. Hill.
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I would like to understand your feeling toward people
who fear failure and worry about what others think of them.
Do you share this fear?
With the previous time that we saw the Dr. Hill
and knowing that he has all these questions about fear,
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like why does he want to know?
And what's he gonna do with this information once he knows?
What are your thoughts on the game so far?
Thoughts, theories, reactions?
My main theory is that Josh invited them all to kill them.
Maybe, I don't know.
I don't know if Beth and Hannah are still alive or not.
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Not very confident about that.
Maybe that weird stalker person saved them
and it's actually a good person.
And they're behind everything of just working with Josh
to try to seek revenge.
I just feel like there's a lot thrown at us
in the first hour of the game.
It does its absolute best to just confuse,
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just confuse you as much as it can, which is enjoyable.
It definitely gets you interested
in what's gonna happen next.
How scary are you finding it?
Not too bad compared to Outlast.
I think it's because there isn't much gore right now,
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it's not too bad.
I was worried about the jump scares
because there's a lot of them.
The jump scares weren't as bad.
I think you starting me off with Outlast was a good idea.
Threw you right into the fire.
Yeah, that one was, those one, one and a half, two
were all enough to make my stomach churn,
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but it's not too bad.
I think with your advanced warning of jump scare,
I'm able to handle it.
We'll see if that continues or not as the game heats up.
All right, well, I'm excited for Horror Month.
We'll see if my theories are right or completely wrong.
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Yes, we will.
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It's Horror Month, probably the most perfect Horror Month.
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We're starting it out with episode 13.
And Halloween is on a Thursday,
so we don't even have to alter our schedule.
It's perfect.
Should we do the out of context summary?
Mm-hmm.
In this episode, we face angry icicles,
a panting menace, and Emily.
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She's a menace to society.
Thank you for coming back for replay reviews.
Horror Month.
My name is Leah.
And my name is Cathy.
Ah!
We are two friends who are here to replay a review
and analyze your favorite video games.
And since Cathy has never seen the games before,
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it helps me view them through her fresh eyes,
almost like I am discovering them again for the first time.
We have a similar experience for you.
Oh my God.
Do I sound like Dracula or just Italian?
He's not Italian.
So we start out with the prologue.
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We're introduced to the butterfly effect.
A tiny butterfly flapping its wings today
may lead to a devastating hurricane weeks from now.
Building off of that,
this is a game that I know super well.
I know it really well.
So I did, I made a wheel to randomly select which choices
because it's a decision-based game
as the butterfly effect is explaining.
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Soon we see a wintery cabin with occupants inside
and someone seems to be watching them.
We learn a bit more about the group dynamics.
Hannah likes Mike,
but Mike, the class prez, is dating Emily.
Jessica is somehow going to mess with Hannah
because of this and Sam is not on board
and she goes off looking for Hannah.
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I hate this mean girl type of situation.
I, knowing where it's going to go,
if Hannah survives, I don't blame it
if she decides to kill everyone here.
It gets out of hand.
So we see the majority of the gang hiding in a bedroom
and Hannah walks in where Mike is waiting for her.
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But then we cut back to the kitchen
where Beth sees the creepy person outside.
We quickly learn through dialogue
that Beth is not only the sister of Hannah,
but they have a brother, Josh,
who's passed out in the kitchen.
And this appears to be their parents' property.
I'm wondering if Josh is passed out because he got drunk
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or if he was drugged by someone.
I think it's hinted at it was the Jeremiah crag
that did him in.
Okay.
But you never know.
Beth does find a note in the kitchen that reads,
"'Hannah, you look so damn hot in that shirt,'
dot, dot, dot, but I bet you're even hotter out of it.
Come to the guest room at 2 a.m.
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Winky face, Mike, xxx."
And this is when we go back to the guest room.
Mike flirts with Hannah, who starts to take off her shirt
when everyone pops out and they're filming her.
Shame on all of them too.
And they're doing this because of a crush.
It's just so mean girl type of thing.
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I can't handle this kind of situation.
I want to punch them all in the faces.
Back in the kitchen to Beth,
she sees somebody walk by the window.
We see it's Hannah, but she may not have noticed that.
And this is where we have our first choice of the game.
The wheel chooses to have Beth run to find the others
and they all run outside trying to find Hannah
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where Emily yells, "'It was just a prank, Han.'"
So, okay, again, I want to punch Emily
because none of them are feeling remorseful
when they should be and this isn't a prank.
This is a complete like setup
just to be a bullying kind of thing.
And Hannah did nothing wrong.
Beth runs after Hannah
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and along the way she finds an odd object on the ground.
And when investigated, it shows us a clip of Hannah
and Beth falling onto rocks.
And the words death totem pop up on the screen.
I can't tell if it's a curse or if it's foreshadowing.
I love playing this game.
For the first time, I feel like this game is just so good
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because there's a lot that happens in the prologue
that's just confusing, but interesting.
Speaking of fire, fire in the forest.
I don't know, it's not like it's not dry or anything.
It's freaking winter for them.
So.
I remember the first time that I played it
with my brother and our friends, we were like,
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are there dragons, what is going on, it's so confusing.
So Beth soon finds Hannah and gives her her coat.
While this is happening, we see a different point of view.
It's red with flashes of white.
It almost seems like those movies
where the alien versus predator,
but it's these aliens that only see like things
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like the thermodynamic heat wave signature things.
And I thought that this game was just gonna be like normal.
There wasn't gonna be like magic
or anything involved besides like the totem.
But now you have this in, so you're wondering,
is this just a human wearing certain glasses
or is there a freaking monster in the forest?
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They both react to something that they either see or hear
and start running in fear along the way Hannah loses her phone.
They're then cornered when they run to a cliff.
So they keep backing up as something
that we don't see as approaching them.
And they fall over, but Beth is holding on to a root
with one hand and Hannah with the other.
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We then see more fire and a creepy looking guy
reaches his hand out to Beth.
And we now have to choose to drop Hannah
or let go of the root.
The wheel landed on dropping Hannah.
Which I thought you chose to drop Hannah
and in my comments is like, why did you do that?
It's the wheel.
She then with her free hand that let go of Hannah
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reaches up for the mysterious hand
that's reaching out to her.
And then the root gives way karma and they both fall down
and we see the same scene that we just saw
in the death totem.
What if something else happened
between picking up the totem of foreshadowing
and maybe if you had chose to keep Hannah's hand
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and the root didn't fall,
maybe you would have survived
and proved that foreshadowing incorrect.
And this is where the butterfly effect happens
is that you already chose your decision
when one thing happened.
But you already knew that that was the future.
So I'm like, is it really the butterfly effect in a way?
I don't know.
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I'm just confused at this point.
This one's a bit different,
which we'll see when we go to the analyst, Dr. AJ Hill.
He says, no one can change what happened last year.
So it's kind of a hint to the player that the prologue,
you can't really change the fate of Hannah and Beth,
but you can just change outcomes later.
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It is what it is in the prologue.
Any reactions to Dr. AJ Hill yet?
This guy's a creep.
I don't know.
I don't like the way he's presenting it,
but I'm also confused about this conversation.
It feels like he's speaking to us,
but then when we see him again,
it doesn't feel that way anymore.
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It feels like then he's talking
to one of the characters in it.
Are we supposed to feel like we're, as a player,
interacting directly with him,
or are we supposed to feel like we are a character
and that character is talking to the therapist?
It's a good question.
I really like these segments of the game.
I don't think I've seen anything like it before.
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He's not very happy with us.
He thinks that we're not being honest.
This therapist is already making me quite suspicious.
So after the first section of credits,
we see Sam on a bus and she's listening to a news report
on her way to the lodge.
We learn that it has been one year
since the mysterious disappearance of the sisters
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and the news lady,
or I think it's a cop being interviewed, says,
There is one individual we're considering
as a person of interest,
but his whereabouts are currently unknown.
He has an interesting history with the Washington family.
He had warned them against
pursuing their construction project
and claimed the land was sacred to his forefathers.
You know, there is still the old sanatorium on the mountain.
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Could he be hiding there?
My officers did search the grounds,
but the girls themselves couldn't have made it that far.
After the news clip, Sam watches a video from Josh.
He's happy to have everyone back
to the annual Blackwood Winner getaway.
How did none of the friends pass up
what happened to give the police more hints?
And in doing so, let them know and loop Josh in
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about what they did to his sister,
because I think if he knew,
he wouldn't be so friendly and open to these people
coming into his house,
especially when he's saying that,
I think my sisters would like it,
like having this group again.
But at the same time, what if Josh knew this
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and is purposely leading them all into the same place
where his sisters weren't missing and possibly are dead,
and he's going to carry out revenge?
That's what I'm thinking is the more likely option.
Like he's luring them into his trap.
It is weird and Sam has a reaction
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where she seems a bit uncomfortable and sad.
But after that, the intro credits finish out.
Scene two, it's chapter one, friendship,
10 hours until dawn.
Sam arrives at Blackwood Pines
and we see the same knife-wielding person
watching her from a distance.
Why is he panting like that?
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Ew.
It makes me really uncomfortable.
It's icky, it's gross.
We do get officially introduced to Sam, who is
Hannah's best friend, diligent, considerate, and adventurous.
As she continues on the path,
you can tell that she feels a presence around her,
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but no one answers her when she calls out.
So she stops to read a sign.
It explains the death totem we found as Beth.
It's a dream or prophecy of a possible future.
In addition to death totems, black,
there are danger, red, loss, brown,
guidance, yellow, and fortune, white.
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And then at the base of the sign,
Sam finds a guidance totem showing a bird landing
and flying away.
I wonder if the birds carry more meaning.
Again, it's with the birds,
but with birds and butterflies, just things with wings.
I promise I didn't count the birds this time.
Good golly.
Although it probably would have been easier.
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Now at the cable car station, Sam finds graffiti,
which says the past is beyond our control.
I agree at the same time though,
if it's beyond your control,
you could still right your wrongs with the past.
So it's still a bit in your control.
She also finds Chris's backpack and his phone is buzzing.
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The wheel chooses to close his bag
and we see the butterfly effect message pop up.
And it says, this appears when you've changed
the narrative of the game.
I really want to know what happened
as she picked the phone up.
Yeah, I know he gets mad.
I don't remember what the long-term effects of it are,
but it's a good thing she didn't snoop
because he walks up right behind her.
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And we learned that Chris has a crush on Ashley,
is methodical, protective, and humorous.
Was he there during the prank?
I can't remember.
So I'm pretty sure that he's the second guy
passed out with Josh.
Oh, okay.
So I don't think he's technically involved.
Chris shows Sam a wanted poster he found.
It's for Victor Milgram from 1998,
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and he was wanted for arson and death threats.
Spooky.
Spooky, and I'm thinking he may be that person of interest
that the news talked about,
but the arson part to it is like, that's red,
and then that vision that we saw with just the death totem,
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it kind of looked like it was just like in flames,
like there was fire going on.
This guy likes arson.
I don't know.
Yep, there's random poofs of fire in the forest.
Moving on, Sam is confused
when the cable car station door is locked.
Then Chris says that Josh wanted them to keep it locked
because they've found people sleeping in there before.
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In the cable car station, as Chris,
we find a Blackwood Pines Hotel and Sanatorium poster.
Maybe if Beth and Hannah were still alive,
they would be there.
Also, I'm just realizing how messed up it is
that they built the sanatorium up here
to shove all the mentally ill people onto a mountain
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away from everybody else, but then also why a hotel?
That seems weird.
For family and friends to come visit and stay there.
I hope so.
I hope they visit.
We also find a small TV
showing what looks like a bathtub or a hot tub,
but then it quickly flips to a different camera
showing the outside of the cable car station.
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We now meet Jess at the upper station.
She's Mike's new girlfriend,
confident, trusting, and irreverent.
She connects with Sam and Chris,
who swipes a letter out of her hand.
And I think it's my favorite line in the whole game,
is just the noise that Chris makes.
Wait, do you have it queued up?
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I have it queued up.
Oh!
Oh!
I love it.
And you don't get it every time.
He'll make a different noise depending on your play through.
Really?
Which I think is great.
Chris is kind of annoying right now.
I'm already like kind of annoyed by him,
(14:12):
but I don't know exactly what it is,
but I'll keep you posted on my feelings.
But right now this is where it's getting at 5%.
For some reason.
I think he's just way too excited and happy.
Maybe that's what it is.
But this letter he swipes is addressed to Mike,
and they discuss the new dynamics and Jess says,
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M's out, I'm in.
And then why does she get all embarrassed
about wanting to wait for him if they're dating?
That seems normal.
That and why didn't they come up there together?
Why are they trying separately?
All good questions.
All right.
Moving on, we meet the next batch of characters.
First up is Emily.
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She's Mike's ex, intelligent, resourceful, and persuasive.
And also Matt, who is Emily's new boyfriend.
He's motivated, ambitious, and active.
And they have a toxic relationship.
Yeah.
Speaking of, as they're walking along the path,
Mike jumps out to scare the poop out of them.
(15:14):
And we learned that he's Emily's ex,
intelligent, driven, and persuasive.
He shares two qualities with Emily,
which I think is interesting.
Everyone's pretty on the edge,
and then you have people like him and Chris
who just kind of like pop out
and think it's all fun and games.
Yeah.
But also, I just immediately don't like Emily.
(15:34):
I find her already really annoying
because you could tell she's just using Matt.
And I just feel like she's not a very genuine person.
The random choice wheel leads to a frosty start
for Matt and Mike.
And then when he walks away, not saying, see ya.
See ya.
Emily then asks Matt to take all the bags up
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because she needs to go find Sam.
Why couldn't you just call her?
And wow, what a great relationship
that you start out already lying.
And this is right after the interaction with Mike.
So I feel like any person would be able to tell
that she obviously either still has feelings for him
or she wants to talk to him.
And she isn't being truthful,
and it's doing a disservice to her relationship with Matt.
(16:19):
And then he goes, we're even at least
for doing this for her.
And she goes, I'll think about it.
Matt deserves better.
He does, he really does.
Even though the wheel is kind of turning him into an ass
in this play through, he still deserves better.
And then we cut to Ashley who has a crush on Chris.
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She's academic, inquisitive, and forthright.
She's looking through binoculars
and sees Emily and Mike together.
And then Matt jump scares her through the binoculars.
How'd you like that?
It's not as bad, some of the jump scares are okay.
Some of them are worse than others,
but I think I'm doing better.
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He asks Ashley what she's looking at
and she allows him to look.
And when he sees he's rightfully upset.
It's very juvenile drama too.
So I don't even know what the ages are with these people,
but they all need some development
in their emotional maturity levels
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because Mike should have known better
than to do something with Emily.
She should have known better.
And Matt should be able to communicate
what he sees with Emily.
It says that either you're with him or we're breaking up.
We're now back to Jessica at the upper station still.
Mike arrives and starts a snowball fight
that gets oddly erotic.
(17:45):
I don't know how you felt about the scene.
Uncomfortable.
Yeah, agreed.
It gets more uncomfortable when Jess murders
or Robin with the snowball.
The bird reference.
Yeah, I have that on my notes.
I was like, does Cathy recognize this from the totem?
Yeah.
After brief hesitation in mourning
the loss of this innocent bird,
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Mike is right back at it and tackles Jess.
They're interrupted when an icicle almost impales them.
Can that even happen?
I mean, I know that's like a urban legend.
I think it can.
Now I have to Google.
Can you?
Maybe from a certain height.
So while icicles are rarely sharp enough
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or large enough to impale a person,
they can still cause bruises, cuts,
and broken bones when they fall.
However, I think you can.
Wait, is that what you're saying or you're reading?
I think you can.
I'm reading that, but I think you can is my own opinion.
There's potential.
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Anything's possible.
Anything's possible.
So after dodging the icicle, they move on
and then we see the cable car
arriving with a lone occupant.
Should we go back to Dr. Hale?
Yeah.
All right, he says.
This time we're going to try to understand
the root of your anxiety.
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Now pick up that book, turn the pages.
You will see a set of pictures and symbols.
I want you to identify which image in each set
makes you the most anxious.
And through the wheel,
the top three things that we don't like
are snakes, zombies, and thunderstorms.
Dr. Hale says that some combination
(19:31):
sounds like a good Friday night.
More thoughts on Dr. Hale?
Why are we doing this?
I don't understand.
Are we going to see more snakes, zombies, and thunderstorms?
Yeah, this is probably a pretty weak combination.
I think there'll be a snake on his desk,
but I don't know about the zombies and thunderstorms
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because there's definitely choices that you make
that you'll see them more in the game,
like rats and spiders, you'll see them more.
But I don't feel like we see more zombies or thunderstorms.
So I think some of them are kind of weak.
Okay, it's now chapter two, Jealousy,
Nine Hours Until Dawn.
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We're back to Chris and Sam, and they're now with Josh.
And we learned that he is Hannah and Beth's brother,
complex, thoughtful, and loving.
Feel like we're supposed to think Josh is a good person
and like just naive when I still think he's some,
he's calculative, he's scheming some kind of thing
(20:34):
to seek revenge for our sisters.
And I hope that's true.
It is kind of weird that they give him thoughtful and loving,
like two really good traits,
like nobody else's traits are that good.
It's a little suspicious.
It still seems like they're being watched.
So I don't know.
But then Chris and Josh have to find a way into the lodge
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when they discover that the lock is iced over.
But on their way, Chris checks in with Ashley.
And then Josh makes comments about her
further down the path, trying to push Chris to go for it.
Pretty quickly, he's not seeing very loving or thoughtful.
Yeah, but I also do think he's setting up
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in a situation where Josh could kill two birds with one stone.
That if he gets Chris and Ashley together,
they're gonna be distracted.
And then he could like immediately kill them both.
You're really thinking about this.
Yeah, the strategy behind it.
I like it.
Okay.
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So Chris finds an axe holder and the axe is missing.
Is the axe with their friend group
or is it with the person that's like creeping up on them?
We don't know.
Yeah. It's a mystery.
And then Chris makes it into the storage
slash garage basement area through a window
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and a light bulb explodes.
I think that that just might be the sudden,
like the heat inside and then the cold temperatures outside
and glass breaking.
Makes sense, makes sense.
Josh tosses a lighter to Chris
and he has an idea to use it with a can of deodorant
as a makeshift flamethrower to melt the lock.
But the fact that Josh quickly then goes like,
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oh, I have something I need to attend to
makes it very suspicious that you're already there.
Why wouldn't you go inside with Chris as well?
Like, you know where the deodorant is.
Why are you making him try to find it by himself?
And what else do you have to do
if you can't get into the lodge?
And then I like when he asks Chris
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if he wants to go night hunting.
And Chris's response is,
Nope, but I'll do it.
That's a friend.
What a good friend.
So in this area, Chris finds a lost totem
which shows Emily being burnt
and a newspaper scrap from 1997 that says,
ex-janitor convicted for arson, Victor Milgram.
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And then a door seemingly closes on its own.
And he finds a prom night photo,
which is, it says senior prom and 2013.
So to answer your question,
I think that they're like 18 or 19.
He also finds a best horror film trophy for Bob Washington.
So Bob is probably the dad then, right?
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Mm-hmm. Okay.
He finds the deodorant,
but is jump scared by a Wolverine.
How did the Wolverine get in there?
Yeah, that's what I want to know.
Why is it in there?
I mean, we saw an open window,
but how does it then open the cabinet?
So with the lock freed,
everyone filters into the lodge and Matt confronts Mike.
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It gets heated.
It gets physical.
Why does he grab Mike's face like that?
I feel like they just both don't know
how to be in actual fight.
And so they're just like,
you know, those memes of two girls
just like slapping their hands back and forth at each other,
holding their arms out trying to avoid their faces.
I have never seen this scene play out like this before.
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Any other time that I've seen it,
Matt's not nearly as aggressive,
and usually it's Emily and Jess that end up fighting.
And I think it's a really fun scene,
so I'm gonna show it to you.
Okay. Here we go.
Oh my God, that is so gross.
Are you trying to swallow his face whole?
I mean, seriously, can she be any more obvious?
(24:27):
No one wants in on your territory, honey.
Excuse me, did you say something?
Oh, did you not hear me?
Was your sluttiness too loud?
Sounds like someone's bitter she didn't make the cut.
Yeah, it's all a big cattle call with that dreamboat.
Congrats, you're top cow.
Cut's real deep calling in his homecoming a cow.
(24:49):
Em, come on.
No, shut up, Matt.
Stay out of it, you dumb oaf.
Hey, watch it.
Oh, you're the only one who could put him down?
No one else can play with your toys?
You're such a bitch.
Whatever.
I don't give a crap what you think.
At least I can think.
4.0 bitch, honor roll.
Suck on that when you're trying to sleep your way into a job.
Who needs grades when you've got
all the natural advantages you can handle?
(25:11):
Oh, please.
You couldn't buy a moldy loaf of bread
with your skanky ass.
Are you serious?
You think that's insulting?
That bitch is on crack or something.
Jessica, you need to shut your mouth, okay?
No.
You're the one who needs to keep your nose
out of other people's business.
I'm about to get right up in your business, you bitch.
(25:32):
Are we about to get real?
Cause I am down to get real.
Stop it.
I love that scene so much.
Me too.
I kind of want there to be more to it
and just slap each other because Emily is so,
she needs a rude awakening and I hope that like people
like that and that's the thing is actually no people
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like that and I cannot wait for the day where karma
gets them back where they find someone who's meaner
than them and they realize that they can't always
have it their way so I want those two to just slap down.
It's so good.
Cause they're so opposite.
It's like somehow they're evenly matched.
And Mike is just watching his ex and his current ex
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or current girlfriend just, I've had it.
Okay, anyway, in this play through, Josh breaks up the fight
and suggests that Mike and Jess go check out the guest cabin
and then Emily says one of her bags is missing
and she and Matt go to look for it at the station.
Emily makes a massive deal out of like not having the bag
(26:34):
and where she got it from.
Who does she think she is?
If you really needed it, like carry it yourself.
I know.
They did such a good job just making her so bitchy.
And then Sam's just gonna go take a bath,
which seems weird.
Why is that the first thing you wanna do
when you go into unknown location?
(26:54):
Like you don't even check out to see
what kind of changes there are.
You have like no awareness, spatial awareness.
They haven't even turned the lights on yet.
Right?
Anything else in scene five?
So we're with Mike and Jess now.
They start walking to the guest cabin.
(27:14):
I think if they are going to die,
it's probably because their mind's in the gutter
and they have no spatial awareness
that there could be a murder in front of them
and they wouldn't realize that
because they're too busy making dirty jokes.
They just, they're never ending.
But along the way, Mike finds a danger totem.
It appears to show Ashley getting punched in the face
(27:35):
by like a clown looking thing.
I don't like those clowns.
I don't either.
They have to turn on the generator to light up the path.
And in the generator shed,
we get jump scared by a man in the window
who Mike does not seem to notice.
Lack of spatial awareness.
I'm seeing a murder could be in front of you
and they wouldn't even know it.
Further along the path, they find police tape
(27:58):
and they say it must be from Hannah and Beth.
And at this point, then Jess is talking to Mike saying that
at least she has awareness.
It might've been their fault.
She doesn't really think it is.
Like it's not really their fault.
But from the player, like if they're being bullies,
they're not gonna admit their wrong
(28:18):
and the fact that they haven't said anything
just goes to show that they do realize subconsciously
something they did was not okay.
And count their days.
She seems more regretful,
but Mike says that what happened as a result
isn't their fault.
But nothing you did was right though.
(28:39):
Like there's nothing okay about it.
Okay, so soon they hear a weird like screech.
They're spooked, but they keep going.
My other theory is that it's either Josh
or it's that creepy person,
which we need to give him a name at this point.
(28:59):
This stalker dude.
I'm thinking that they're playing some kind of music
to freak them out, to lure them into,
I don't know, some kind of trap and then kill them.
Their path is blocked, so they have to go another way.
And they find a mine entrance in which Jess falls down into.
Mike decides to jump down after her
(29:20):
and this is when we see that they're still being followed
by this guy.
And how is he not caught?
Like how is he that quiet?
In the mine, Mike finds a fortune totem
showing a half naked Jess sitting up,
a cigar stub, which she says it's recent,
a mystical symbol and a map of mine danger areas.
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Well, they push that mine cart.
What do you call those things?
Yeah, the mine cart.
Yeah, the mine cart.
And then it kind of comes back.
So it's either like on a hill
or there's someone on the other end that pushed it back.
Once again, outside the mines, Jess finds a telescope
and looks through it and says that she saw someone
(30:03):
at the cabin.
So then Mike looks through it
and did he seriously not see that thing?
I mean, Mike has the spatial awareness of a toddler.
But did you have reactions to what that thing,
like what is that?
I don't know.
(30:23):
I'm like still trying to figure things out right now.
Yeah.
This game really like does its best to confuse you,
which I like.
And then I feel like it wants to try to convince us
that what we just saw is a bear based on the sign
that Mike reads, but they come across another blockage
in the path, which results in Jess climbing
over a downed tree and then disappearing as she screams.
(30:48):
Who got her?
Is it that creeper?
I don't know.
We quickly cut away though.
We're back to the group that's at the lodge.
Sam and Josh work on getting the hot water turned on.
In the house, Sam finds a business card
for a tattoo parlor with a drawing of a butterfly on it
in Hannah's room, as well as a magazine compatibility test
(31:12):
on which she scored low.
And it suggests that she do something bold
like getting a tattoo to get her crushes attention.
Was that note written by Mike to her though?
The invitation?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I feel like it's hard to blame Hannah for having crush
when you're inviting her and you just seem so friendly
(31:34):
with her, which I know maybe part of it is just Hannah
thinking too much of it.
But I don't understand that hate for her so much
in the beginning and the prologue.
I still can't get over that.
Yeah.
I think looking at the invitation,
the part where it's like, I'd be delighted.
That looks like it's printed on the invitation.
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So I don't think that's Mike saying,
I think he's saying that to everyone technically.
But yeah, you can't blame someone
for having a crush on somebody.
And then we also find a Halloween party invitation
from Sam and it features the image
that Dr. Hill first showed us.
That's kind of interesting.
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We have something connecting Dr. Hill
to the current world, current timeline.
I'm wondering what if Dr. Hill participated
in the disappearance of Hannah and Beth.
I don't know how, but I just don't know
how he's connected to all this.
I think it's just more than your general
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therapist-client relationship.
Josh sends Chris and Ashley to go find a spirit board
while he and Sam go to the basement
to deal with the hot water.
On the lower level, Sam finds a picture
of all three siblings and Hannah has her tattoo
in this picture, so she did get a tattoo.
Do we know what it is of?
(32:57):
I can't remember.
It's a butterfly.
Okay, leaning into that butterfly theme.
Josh tells Sam he is especially glad that she's there
and she assures him that they're all there for him.
Any thought on their dynamic?
I think it's just a friends dynamic.
I don't really sense a romantic thing.
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I think if my theory is right
that Josh is just trying to seek revenge,
he's just acting really friendly to get close to people
to make him seem unsuspecting of,
or not suspicious of anything that is about to go wrong.
And then noises in the basement spook Sam,
but they are able to get the boiler running despite this.
(33:41):
However, more noises lead them to go investigate
and this is when a figure jumps out at them
and starts chasing them.
Thoughts on this?
I think it's just if it was the serial killer
or that weird stalker person,
I think it's way too soon to make its appearance.
(34:01):
So I'm like, what is going on?
And it ends up being Chris just freaking them out.
And I will say like people like Chris who act like that
annoy the heck out of me.
And then he has the audacity to say, you just got monked.
Chris reveals the spirit board that he finally found.
(34:21):
And of course he has to go.
Can we keep your version?
And then what does Sam do?
She goes back up to take a bath.
I don't understand why this bath is so high
on the priority list.
I don't either.
We are back to Dr. Hill.
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I would like to understand your feeling toward people
who fear failure and worry about what others think of them.
Do you share this fear?
With the previous time that we saw the Dr. Hill
and knowing that he has all these questions about fear,
(35:06):
like why does he want to know?
And what's he gonna do with this information once he knows?
What are your thoughts on the game so far?
Thoughts, theories, reactions?
My main theory is that Josh invited them all to kill them.
Maybe, I don't know.
I don't know if Beth and Hannah are still alive or not.
(35:27):
Not very confident about that.
Maybe that weird stalker person saved them
and it's actually a good person.
And they're behind everything of just working with Josh
to try to seek revenge.
I just feel like there's a lot thrown at us
in the first hour of the game.
It does its absolute best to just confuse,
(35:49):
just confuse you as much as it can, which is enjoyable.
It definitely gets you interested
in what's gonna happen next.
How scary are you finding it?
Not too bad compared to Outlast.
I think it's because there isn't much gore right now,
(36:10):
it's not too bad.
I was worried about the jump scares
because there's a lot of them.
The jump scares weren't as bad.
I think you starting me off with Outlast was a good idea.
Threw you right into the fire.
Yeah, that one was, those one, one and a half, two
were all enough to make my stomach churn,
(36:30):
but it's not too bad.
I think with your advanced warning of jump scare,
I'm able to handle it.
We'll see if that continues or not as the game heats up.
All right, well, I'm excited for Horror Month.
We'll see if my theories are right or completely wrong.
(36:53):
Yes, we will.
Perfect, I'll count us off at dastardly on one, three, two, one.
Thank you for listening.
And don't forget to send in any questions,
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