December 3, 2025 • 32 mins
It’s that time of year again! Ready for a reprisal of our most popular series, SRHR Hero Origin Stories? If you haven’t already, check out our previous episodes, SRHR Hero Origin Stories: Round 6, SRHR Origin Stories: Round 5, SRHR Hero Origin Stories: Round 4, and more, where we talk to a number of amazing heroes in the field of reproductive health, rights, and justice and about how they began working in this space. On this episode, hear from Christina Krysinski, Associate Director for Global Advocacy at Planned Parenthood Federation of America and Planned Parenthood Action Fund, Asha Dahya, filmmaker, reproductive rights and freedom advocate, and mother of two, and Rachel Marchand, Senior Policy Analyst and Podcast Producer at rePROs Fight Back.
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Jennie (01:17):
Welcome to rePROs Fight Back, a podcast on all
things related to sexual andreproductive health, rights, and
justice.
Hi, rePROs.
How's everybody doing?
I'm your host, Jennie Wetter,and my pronouns are she/her.
So, I hope everybody had awonderful Thanksgiving.
I'm recording beforeThanksgiving, so I am very much
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looking forward to having along, long, long weekend.
I am off Wednesday to Monday,so I am just really looking
forward to having a reallychill, quiet time.
I'm not traveling, which isalso very exciting.
As much as I love being homefor Thanksgiving and enjoying my
mom's cooking, it's just, it'snever as relaxing as I want it
(02:02):
to be.
Like, it's always so stressfulflying for such a short
holiday.
So that I go home for longerover Christmas.
So I am very much lookingforward to that.
And then my mom also spoils meand makes Thanksgiving while I'm
home.
So, I will get to enjoy all ofher amazing Thanksgiving cooking
when I am home at Christmastime.
The only other thing I reallymiss, and I'm sure I've talked
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about this mo on the podcastbefore, but the Saturday after
Thanksgiving, my mom's familyall gets together.
Basically, most of the auntsand a lot of the a number of the
cousins.
I think I've mentioned thisbefore.
My mom is one of 11, so thereare a lot of us.
We all get together and makeChristmas cookies.
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And so it's just like a full-onday of baking.
Multiple people bring theirlike stand mixers and there's
cookies flying all day.
And then, we do like exchangesat the end of the day, and
everybody gets a little bit ofeverything, and it is so much
fun, and there's so many cookiesto be had.
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It's just a really fun time ofspending time with my mom's side
of the family.
And so, that is the one thing Ireally do miss going home for
that.
But my mom always sends me likea little care package of uh
some of the cookies from thecookie bake.
So, I do miss that.
But I am also just very muchlooking forward to having a very
chill weekend, long weekend, dosome reading.
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I am working on a cross stitchproject that I am, I mean, I was
hoping to fix finish in timefor Christmas.
I don't think that is gonnahappen, but I'm gonna still try.
And this weekend will give me along time to work on it.
So, that is that is myThanksgiving plan.
It's just very chill.
I'm looking forward to somereally yummy food.
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And yeah, just having a chilllong weekend.
And this episode should also bejust right along that theme of
chill, warm hug.
We are doing a fan and mypersonal favorite episode, our
annual SRHR Hero Origin Storyepisode.
And we had so many submissionsthis year that we're actually
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gonna be doing two episodes ofthis.
So, today you're gonna get thefirst couple, and then we'll
have another one in a coupleweeks where you will hear the
rest.
So, enjoy hearing how somegreat sexual and reproductive
health and rights advocates gotstarted in this field.
Enjoy.
Asha (04:36):
Hi, I'm Asha Dahya.
I am a filmmaker.
I am a reproductive rights,health, and freedom advocate.
I'm a mother of two.
And I also have to start thisintroduction by saying I wasn't
always an advocate forreproductive health, freedom,
rights, and justice because ofmy religious background.
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So, I was born in the UK,raised in Australia, and I was
always very involved in churchlife.
My family would be consideredChristian, like nominal
Christian or evangelical.
I wouldn't assign a specificpolitical label because in
Australia and the UK, althoughthings are changing, I never
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grew up being Christian, knowingthat it was attached to any
sort of specific politicalidentity.
It was just we go to church,this is our community, these are
our values, we read the Bible,we sing songs, and that's who we
are.
And that when I moved to the USin 2008, which was an election
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year, the election of the firstBlack president, that was a big
deal because I started going toa very large and conservative
white evangelical church in LosAngeles.
Now, I say white evangelicalbecause the church itself, the
people in the church, it wasvery multicultural.
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However, the I guess I wouldsay brand of evangelicalism and
the books and the types ofteachings and values that they
hold would fall under thecategory of what we know today
as white conservativeevangelical church in America.
So, I very quickly learned acouple of a handful of things
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when I joined that church in2008.
One, race was a very big issue,and it just kind of hit me full
in the face.
Gender, another very big issue.
There was a proposition at thetime in California called Prop
8, and it was to legalize equalmarriage, and the church were
very against it.
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They were trying to rallycongregation members to make
sure they know how to vote,quote unquote, right.
And abortion was the otherissue.
It was something that I hadnever really thought about or
even considered.
I probably knew what it was,but I never had a very specific
opinion about it.
I just wanted to live my life.
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I was a 20-something person,you know, you don't think about
political things when you thinklife is great and you're
invincible.
So, I very quickly learned thatto be evangelical or Christian
in America under that church'sbanner was to be against equal
marriage, to be against abortionrights, and to know your place
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according to your gender.
And to also, which theywouldn't say this out loud, but
to have very specific ideasabout race and racism and the
history of racism in America.
There are some classes that Itook in that church, which
looking back on it now werehorrifically racist and very
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revisionist history, especiallyabout indigenous populations,
and I could go on about that.
But the the thing that Ilearned most was you have to be
against abortion and you have tobe against equal marriage.
Cut to about five years later,I was very involved in the
church while also working in TVproduction in Los Angeles.
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So, there was thisjuxtaposition of, you know, I
was in the quote unquote"secular world" working in
reality TV.
But then also I was veryinvolved in this church where I
had these certain conservativemessages told to me.
I ended up getting married forthe first time when I was 25.
That marriage became very, verytoxic.
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And I made the decision toleave, which in itself was also
very, very hard in thatenvironment.
But I'm glad that I stuck to myconviction and did that.
And it wasn't until I left thatmarriage and that church, they
were almost intertwined in away.
And leaving that environmentand that mindset, I was able to
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take a step back and actuallytry to, for the first time, form
my own opinions about gender,about abortion, about bodily
autonomy, about equal rights,all those things.
And I very quickly it didn'ttake long for me to realize that
the values that were meaningfulto me were not what I was
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taught in church.
I would say the start of myjourney to become very
passionate about reproductiverights was the first major term
that I learned, you know,reproductive rights was to be
supportive of birth control andhaving control over your body
and believing in the right tohave an abortion.
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The start of my education tobecome interested in
reproductive rights happened afew years after I left the
church.
And I started making friendswith different women in film
groups, women in feminism groupsin Los Angeles, and women in
film and feminism.
There was a lot of crossoverand women making films about,
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you know, values and storiesthat were important to them in a
very feminist lens.
And that really inspired me.
And for the first time I feltlike, oh, I'm not just meant to
be somebody else's servant andjust an invisible face in this
sea of church faces where themen kind of rule everything.
And I started to hear moreabout why abortion was such a
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big issue.
And I would think back to allthe things that I was told in
church, you know, a lot of thevery incendiary and awful things
that we're used to hearing andtrigger warning here, you know,
when that when people say thingslike, "abortion is murder," for
instance, or, you know, thosekind of things, which are really
awful, what I learned was thatpeople were standing on at the
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pulpit or on the stage in thechurch saying these things,
predominantly men, but behindclosed doors it was a very
different reality.
And because I started to put mychanging views out there on
Facebook and social media, asyou do when you're young and
naive and love a good socialmedia argument, I would get
pushback from these formerchurch members who I was still
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connected with.
And outwardly they would, ofcourse, condemn me, throw the
Bible verses at me in a way tokind of make me feel ashamed for
my views.
But what was happening, again,behind closed doors and in my
DMs was a very different story.
There were women reaching outto me saying, thank you so much
for sharing that article.
I actually have been throughthis, or I've had an abortion,
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or I've had multiple abortionsand I can never tell anyone, and
all of those kind of thingsthat made me go, whoa, hang on a
second.
There's more to this here thanjust me changing my mind, and
there's actually a lot morenuance going on that is not
being talked about, and it'snot, it's very dishonest, which
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I believe is a it's a verydishonest discussion that
happens in a lot of thesechurches where they condemn
abortion because the statisticsshow that, and this happens in
churches as well, one in fourwomen or people who can get
pregnant, that happens inchurch.
They are having abortions, andthat includes religious women.
And I know that firsthand fromhearing these stories.
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And so, that really kind of setme on the path.
I would say my original intentwas I'm gonna become so
knowledgeable, I'm gonna followall these awesome journalists.
And you know, I was readingRewire News and Prism and The
Atlantic and all the things thatwould educate me and listening
to podcasts, and I'm gonna showthem that they're wrong.
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And that was my original goal.
But along the way, I think Iwas changed to realize who is my
audience as a filmmaker, as astoryteller.
My audience is really, first ofall, myself, but also it's not
enough for me to try and provesomeone wrong.
I want to be in an environmentand a community where people
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feel supported and loved andaffirmed in their decision
making.
And so, that's when I kind ofyou know shifted my focus,
especially in my media work, tosupporting people who need
abortions and people whoconsider themselves
pro-abortion, pro-choice, andwant that right for themselves
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and use my tools and skills toshare nuanced stories.
And so I think I've learned alot from being in that church
environment, but it really wasthe push and seeing that
juxtaposition, I almost want tocall it an oxymoron of people,
you know, outwardly saying,we're against abortion, and then
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behind closed doors saying,well, actually, I needed an
abortion and I knew exactlywhich clinic to go to to get a
safe one and feel supported.
And so yeah, that I often thinkabout that and how today there
are so many people going throughthe exact same thing.
And it just makes me realizewhy storytelling is important
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and filmmaking.
This is it's why I do what Ido.
Jennie (14:09):
I mean, I relate to like so much of that.
I think we've talked about thisbefore that I grew up at the
Catholic Church, went to aCatholic school K through eight.
Asha (14:17):
Yeah.
Jennie (14:17):
And, you know, I always talk about like your story never
is like a straight line, right?
Like this, not like this onething happened and all of a
sudden this was my future and mypassion.
But if I trace back working onthese things, it really goes
back to somebody who is verymuch "pro-life" and still out
there doing all the things,inviting me to go with her to go
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to Madison.
And I was in like fifth orsixth grade to go save babies
with her.
And so young.
I know.
And I remember just going homeand talking to my mom of like,
oh my God, so-and-so wants me togo to Madison to go save babies
with her.
That sounds so great.
And she's like, okay, let's,like, sit down and have a
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conversation.
And in that conversation, mymom was very clear about just
thinking through it, like,thinking through what the people
are going through.
And then to me, did the very, Ithink, smart thing that I think
she doesn't necessarily didn'trecognize it, know it at the
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time, but was very like, if youstill want to go, you can go.
Like, gave me the autonomy tolike make that choice with the
new information she gave me todecide if I still wanted to go
do it.
And clearly I didn't.
And you know, but that didn'tmean all of a sudden I was doing
all of this work and was likeinvolved in this issue.
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But like when I think back,like this is where it all
started.
Asha (15:47):
I love that your mother modeled that autonomous decision
making in front of you, whetheryou realize it at the time or
not.
Like, that's really powerful.
Jennie (15:56):
And I love like so.
When I started doing this workand started doing this series,
we do like annually of, like,people telling their origin
stories and talking to her aboutlike what an important moment
this was.
And she's like, I don'tremember this.
Like, I don't know what you'retalking about.
Typical. I feel like that whatmoms do, like, "I don't remember
that at all." It was just likeanother day, but it was like
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this big aha moment of, like, Ican picture sitting at the
counter; I can picture us likehaving that conversation and her
giving me the ability to makemy own decisions.
Well, that's her living hervalues.
That's how nonchalant it was.
That's just who she was.
I think it's really importantto have these conversations
about religion today.
And I know you've talked aboutthis a lot on rePROs Fight Back
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because there's this idea thatthe dominant narrative or way of
thinking, if you're a person offaith, is that you have to be
against abortion.
And if you want to bepro-abortion and support the
right to choose, you cannot bereligious.
And that is so not true.
And any chance that I get, Iwant to push back on that.
And I'm so thankful that I havethe privilege of being in
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collaboration and community withpeople at nonprofits, in the
filmmaking space, people likeyou who have a similar origin
story in that regard, to sharethat actually being religious is
it's not a one size fits all.
I mean, every faith is notdifferent.
And every person of that samefaith also has different views
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and perspectives, and thatshould be affirmed and valued.
And so when I see, you know,very extremist statements being
said by political leaders andinternet figures about abortion,
about gender, especially, itsounds really shocking to a lot
of people who didn't grow up inthat environment.
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But for someone like me, it'slike, oh yeah, that's what they
talked about in church.
That's exactly what they said.
Wives should submit to theirhusbands.
And, you know, this whole thatwhole trad wife movement, it's
like people see that as like asocial media influencer trend,
but that's what whiteevangelical Christianity was
like in the church that I camefrom.
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Like trad wives were aroundbefore social media existed, you
know, the stay-at-home mom, andit wasn't your choice.
You were expected to be there,and you expected to have as many
babies as the Lord blesses youwith.
Typically, don't do things likebirth control or, you know,
having any sort of reproductivechoice.
It's you have to submit to thepowers that be, which is God,
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your minister, and your husbandor your dad if you're not
married.
And so it's easy to see howquickly we slid back to having
no federal protections forabortion, having state
legislatures trying to proposethese horrific death penalties
and criminalization penaltiesfor choosing to have an
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abortion.
It's like that has beenfestering in many of these
churches, like the ones that Iwent to for so long.
And they go out to theseclinics and they weaponize the
Bible and their faith in God andto harass people, to harass
women.
And it's really awful, butthere are people of faith who
stand on the front lines andsay, you know, not in my name
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and not in my God's name.
And we're seeing that now withfaith leaders standing up to ice
and protecting immigrants andsaying that, you know, we
believe that women and people ofall genders have the right to
choose what is right for theirbody, whether it's abortion,
gender-affirming care, who youwant to marry and live with, and
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all of those things.
So, I have to also acknowledgethe faith leaders who are doing
modeling what God's love reallyshould look like.
And it's it's not just if youconform and tick all the boxes
and do all the right things.
It's affirming you where youare, whoever you are, and in
that choice that you make.
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So yeah, it's, like, a it'scomplicated for me because on
one hand, I feel like I leftthat old conservative church and
really shunned religion.
I wouldn't say God, I'd say Ishunned religion for a long
time.
But I feel like religion hasbeen finding me again, like I'm
the board chair of a of thereligious community for
reproductive choice, anonprofit.
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And I get to learn about and bein community with faith leaders
who are affirming abortion.
And I get to hear these storiesand film people and interview
them and talk about stories offaith where they are championing
the right to bodily autonomy asa person of faith.
And so, I don't think I want todismiss religion because there
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is a very vital role that it canplay in so many ways.
But like anything, it can beweaponized.
Well, Asha, thank you so muchfor sharing your story.
Asha (20:49):
Thank you so much for having me, and thank you for the
work that you are doing andthis amazing platform.
Christina (20:55):
Hi, my name is Christina Krysinski, and I am
the Associate Director forGlobal Advocacy at Planned
Parenthood Federation of Americaand Planned Parenthood Action
Fund.
Thank you, Jennie, for havingme on the podcast to talk about
my repro origin story.
It's really welcome timing thatwe are recording this episode
the week of Thanksgiving when Ihave physically traveled back to
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the site of my personal originstory.
And I'm in my hometown in theDetroit suburbs.
And since I'm here, I thought Iwould dig through the physical
archives and see if I coulduncover some evidence of my
repro origin story, and I did.
So, I have to offer you, andwe'll just very briefly read you
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a school report from mysophomore year of high school.
The year was 2006-2007, and theclass was titled Women's
Issues.
So here we go.
Women's Issues was created as aresult of student initiative.
The teachers realized throughconversations with future class
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members that there was both adesire and a genuine need for a
class that focused specificallyon health issues from a woman's
perspective.
In order to create a safe andproductive space, we began the
class by spending a good deal oftime getting to know each other
and sharing our personalhistories.
Over the course of thesemester, we covered issues of
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body image, sexuality, substanceabuse, healthy living, decision
making, and the status of womenboth domestically and
internationally.
However, most of our classsessions were focused on the
students as individuals, sharingchallenges, examining those
situations from a variety ofangles, and offering solutions.
Tina, that's what they calledme then.
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I was a Tina then.
"You were one of the mostdependable members of class in
terms of attendance, energy, andcontributions.
Your strong sense of self madeyou a natural fit for this
class.
You seemed to be equallycomfortable sharing your own
ideas and experiences andlistening to your classmates,
particularly toward the end ofthe semester.
Your sense of want to letothers speak first, let some
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important growth happen for someof the other class members.
Thank you for your enthusiasmand efforts.
They helped set a welcoming andsafe tone for the class." So, I
share that because when I thinkof what it means to sort of
have an origin story here andalso the kind of advocate that I
hope to be and the kind ofworld I hope to help build
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through this work, that isreally who I think of.
I think of that teenage girl, Ithink of that group of
teenagers with all of our hopesand dreams and imperfections who
were able to express a desirefor information, for support,
for space, to share theirchallenges and to talk about
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solutions and what the worldcould look like.
And also just what a gift itwas to have teachers who heard
that and supported us throughit.
So shout out to Linda andSusanna, who were our teachers
at the time.
And that has sort of been likethe guiding light for me in all
of this through each of thevaried phases of my career,
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whether it was working onhealthcare law and policy
domestically or now advocatingfor the reproductive freedom of
people around the world and therole that US foreign policy
plays in that.
So it worked out well to havesuch a good example of what that
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origin story looked like.
And that's really the core ofwhat I still take with me in the
work.
So thank you so much for havingme.
This was such a treat to beable to share.
And thank you.
Rachel (24:55):
Hello, my name is Rachel Marchand.
I am the senior policy analystwith rePROs Fight Back.
I have been lucky enough towork with Jennie at rePROs for
about eight years now.
And when I first joined atPopulation Institute, rePROs was
really, it was just a new idea.
And I walked right into it, andI feel so grateful that I did
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because I've been exposed to somany incredible and kind-hearted
and smart people and colleaguesand partners and professionals
over the course of rePROs lifeand my time here.
In terms of my background, Iknew that I'd that I'd always
end up doing health access orhealth equity work deep down.
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I just didn't know exactly whatit would look like or how I
would get there, which are keyto that process.
But I had a very medicallycomplex childhood.
I am a two-time childhoodcancer survivor, and I was in
and out of the hospital for thevast majority of my childhood.
And from a very young age, asyou can imagine, I saw health
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inequity all around me at alltimes.
I saw kids that had to take thebus alone two to three hours,
two times a week, you know, intothe state capitol from rural
areas to receive theirchemotherapy.
I saw kids whose parents had tosleep in their cars in the
parking lot, in the hospitalparking lot in the dead of
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winter.
I saw kids' parents get firedfrom their jobs for taking over
the allotted amount of time thatthey could for leave to be with
their children who werereceiving treatment or their
families.
And so, naturally from a veryyoung age, I was asking my
family and myself and theinstitutions around, I was
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asking a lot of questions.
I had a lot of questions.
Why, most importantly, arethere people who already in this
devastating course of events,why are they struggling to
receive health care?
And second of all, why isanybody's story, you know, look
any differently from anybodyelse's?
Why does my story lookdifferent from someone else's?
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Why does their story lookdifferent from, you know, the
story of my friend gettingtreatment down the hall?
I just couldn't understand howthere could be a situation in
which a vulnerable person whorequires treatment, in this
case, a sick child or a sickchild's family member, why the
world wasn't grinding to anabsolute halt to provide that
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care or help in whatever way,shape, or form was necessary
immediately.
I- it just- I couldn'tcomprehend.
It couldn't settle on my youngmind.
So, there's kind of a saying,at least when I was growing up
in the pediatric cancer world,that if you have childhood
cancer, you either run straightinto practicing it or you run
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straight away from practicingmedicine.
So, I pursued internationalrelations in college.
I have since gone on to do morestudies in public health, but
that's how I ended up in DC.
I don't even know that that wasconscious necessarily, that I
ended up on the academic andprofessional track that I did.
I, of course, always knew thatsocial progress, specifically
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related to health access andbeing involved in that social
progress, was incrediblyimportant to me.
And I think deep down, I'm sureI was trying to change the
world, which is why I got intointernational relations.
But I'm really glad I didbecause it brought me to the
U.S.
Senate.
I was working for a trulyamazing senator.
I was so lucky.
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He he was undoubtedly thenicest person on the Hill at the
time, and I just got so luckythat that was the case.
I really didn't last as long asI wanted to on the Hill, but I
thoroughly enjoyed my timethere.
I learned so much and Itreasure everything that I
learned, and it brought me to DCand it brought me to the
Population Institute and torePROs Fight Back.
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And I have, like I like I said,I've been one of the people
behind rePROs Fight Back for itsentirety, for you know, eight
years of my career.
And it feels like such a fullcircle moment to come back to
health access and health equityand being a part of that
progressing that socialprogress.
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It means so much to me.
Access to any type ofreproductive health care,
abortion, maternal health andpregnancy care, gender-based
violence, counseling, cancerscreenings, birth control, that
should all be easy to access.
It should all be affordable.
It should, of course, all becompassionate.
It should it just likechemotherapy, you shouldn't have
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to book a flight or a hotelroom to go out of state to
receive basic health care.
You should have a state thatloves you enough that it is
gonna take care of you.
You should have a country thatloves you enough to take care of
you.
You should have medicalproviders that go to school to
have a job to love you enough totake care of you.
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No matter who you are, nomatter your race, your economic
security, your sexualorientation, your your gender
identity, your zip code, youshould have access.
And your body and your healthis yours.
So to be able to fight for thatevery day, that's just a- it's
such a privilege.
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And to be influenced by andexposed to and and learn from
the most incredible colleaguesand partners in this field that
are doing just incredible,massively trailblazing work,
it's such an honor to be a partof the platform that gives a
microphone to those voices andsays, you know, what do we need
to know?
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It's an incredible opportunity.
I guess for the young peopleout there who are currently
working in this field or whowant to get more involved in
this field, I would say to them,there's no roadmap.
You you don't have to doeverything quote unquote "by the
book." You know, yourexperiences and your knowledge
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and the skills that you developand your very person, it will
propel you to where you need tobe.
And there will be things thatyou can do to influence that
trajectory for sure.
You just also need to know thatsome of it is a process of
unfolding.
It's okay to have goals and towork towards something
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big, absolutely, but be open tothings.
Don't necessarily put yourselfin a box, and you'll end up
where you need to be.
And this movement will be herewaiting for you.
I really appreciate anybodywho's listened to this.
I really appreciate Jennie forgiving me an opportunity to
tell my story.
Thank you so much.
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It means the world.
Jennie (31:48):
Okay, everybody.
I hope you enjoyed our SRHRHero Origin stories.
Thank you to everybody whoshared their story.
And like I said, you'll hearpart two in a couple weeks.
So, I will see everybody nextweek.
If you have any questions,comments, or topics you would
like us to cover, always feelfree to shoot me an email.
You can reach me atjennie@reprosfightback.com or
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Thanks all!
Welcome to rePROs Fight Back, a podcast on all
things related to sexual andreproductive health, rights, and
justice.
Hi, rePROs.
How's everybody doing?
I'm your host, Jennie Wetter,and my pronouns are she/her.
So, I hope everybody had awonderful Thanksgiving.
I'm recording beforeThanksgiving, so I am very much
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looking forward to having along, long, long weekend.
I am off Wednesday to Monday,so I am just really looking
forward to having a reallychill, quiet time.
I'm not traveling, which isalso very exciting.
As much as I love being homefor Thanksgiving and enjoying my
mom's cooking, it's just, it'snever as relaxing as I want it
(02:02):
to be.
Like, it's always so stressfulflying for such a short
holiday.
So that I go home for longerover Christmas.
So I am very much lookingforward to that.
And then my mom also spoils meand makes Thanksgiving while I'm
home.
So, I will get to enjoy all ofher amazing Thanksgiving cooking
when I am home at Christmastime.
The only other thing I reallymiss, and I'm sure I've talked
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about this mo on the podcastbefore, but the Saturday after
Thanksgiving, my mom's familyall gets together.
Basically, most of the auntsand a lot of the a number of the
cousins.
I think I've mentioned thisbefore.
My mom is one of 11, so thereare a lot of us.
We all get together and makeChristmas cookies.
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And so it's just like a full-onday of baking.
Multiple people bring theirlike stand mixers and there's
cookies flying all day.
And then, we do like exchangesat the end of the day, and
everybody gets a little bit ofeverything, and it is so much
fun, and there's so many cookiesto be had.
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It's just a really fun time ofspending time with my mom's side
of the family.
And so, that is the one thing Ireally do miss going home for
that.
But my mom always sends me likea little care package of uh
some of the cookies from thecookie bake.
So, I do miss that.
But I am also just very muchlooking forward to having a very
chill weekend, long weekend, dosome reading.
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I am working on a cross stitchproject that I am, I mean, I was
hoping to fix finish in timefor Christmas.
I don't think that is gonnahappen, but I'm gonna still try.
And this weekend will give me along time to work on it.
So, that is that is myThanksgiving plan.
It's just very chill.
I'm looking forward to somereally yummy food.
(03:54):
And yeah, just having a chilllong weekend.
And this episode should also bejust right along that theme of
chill, warm hug.
We are doing a fan and mypersonal favorite episode, our
annual SRHR Hero Origin Storyepisode.
And we had so many submissionsthis year that we're actually
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gonna be doing two episodes ofthis.
So, today you're gonna get thefirst couple, and then we'll
have another one in a coupleweeks where you will hear the
rest.
So, enjoy hearing how somegreat sexual and reproductive
health and rights advocates gotstarted in this field.
Enjoy.
Asha (04:36):
Hi, I'm Asha Dahya.
I am a filmmaker.
I am a reproductive rights,health, and freedom advocate.
I'm a mother of two.
And I also have to start thisintroduction by saying I wasn't
always an advocate forreproductive health, freedom,
rights, and justice because ofmy religious background.
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So, I was born in the UK,raised in Australia, and I was
always very involved in churchlife.
My family would be consideredChristian, like nominal
Christian or evangelical.
I wouldn't assign a specificpolitical label because in
Australia and the UK, althoughthings are changing, I never
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grew up being Christian, knowingthat it was attached to any
sort of specific politicalidentity.
It was just we go to church,this is our community, these are
our values, we read the Bible,we sing songs, and that's who we
are.
And that when I moved to the USin 2008, which was an election
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year, the election of the firstBlack president, that was a big
deal because I started going toa very large and conservative
white evangelical church in LosAngeles.
Now, I say white evangelicalbecause the church itself, the
people in the church, it wasvery multicultural.
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However, the I guess I wouldsay brand of evangelicalism and
the books and the types ofteachings and values that they
hold would fall under thecategory of what we know today
as white conservativeevangelical church in America.
So, I very quickly learned acouple of a handful of things
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when I joined that church in2008.
One, race was a very big issue,and it just kind of hit me full
in the face.
Gender, another very big issue.
There was a proposition at thetime in California called Prop
8, and it was to legalize equalmarriage, and the church were
very against it.
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They were trying to rallycongregation members to make
sure they know how to vote,quote unquote, right.
And abortion was the otherissue.
It was something that I hadnever really thought about or
even considered.
I probably knew what it was,but I never had a very specific
opinion about it.
I just wanted to live my life.
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I was a 20-something person,you know, you don't think about
political things when you thinklife is great and you're
invincible.
So, I very quickly learned thatto be evangelical or Christian
in America under that church'sbanner was to be against equal
marriage, to be against abortionrights, and to know your place
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according to your gender.
And to also, which theywouldn't say this out loud, but
to have very specific ideasabout race and racism and the
history of racism in America.
There are some classes that Itook in that church, which
looking back on it now werehorrifically racist and very
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revisionist history, especiallyabout indigenous populations,
and I could go on about that.
But the the thing that Ilearned most was you have to be
against abortion and you have tobe against equal marriage.
Cut to about five years later,I was very involved in the
church while also working in TVproduction in Los Angeles.
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So, there was thisjuxtaposition of, you know, I
was in the quote unquote"secular world" working in
reality TV.
But then also I was veryinvolved in this church where I
had these certain conservativemessages told to me.
I ended up getting married forthe first time when I was 25.
That marriage became very, verytoxic.
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And I made the decision toleave, which in itself was also
very, very hard in thatenvironment.
But I'm glad that I stuck to myconviction and did that.
And it wasn't until I left thatmarriage and that church, they
were almost intertwined in away.
And leaving that environmentand that mindset, I was able to
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take a step back and actuallytry to, for the first time, form
my own opinions about gender,about abortion, about bodily
autonomy, about equal rights,all those things.
And I very quickly it didn'ttake long for me to realize that
the values that were meaningfulto me were not what I was
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taught in church.
I would say the start of myjourney to become very
passionate about reproductiverights was the first major term
that I learned, you know,reproductive rights was to be
supportive of birth control andhaving control over your body
and believing in the right tohave an abortion.
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The start of my education tobecome interested in
reproductive rights happened afew years after I left the
church.
And I started making friendswith different women in film
groups, women in feminism groupsin Los Angeles, and women in
film and feminism.
There was a lot of crossoverand women making films about,
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you know, values and storiesthat were important to them in a
very feminist lens.
And that really inspired me.
And for the first time I feltlike, oh, I'm not just meant to
be somebody else's servant andjust an invisible face in this
sea of church faces where themen kind of rule everything.
And I started to hear moreabout why abortion was such a
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big issue.
And I would think back to allthe things that I was told in
church, you know, a lot of thevery incendiary and awful things
that we're used to hearing andtrigger warning here, you know,
when that when people say thingslike, "abortion is murder," for
instance, or, you know, thosekind of things, which are really
awful, what I learned was thatpeople were standing on at the
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pulpit or on the stage in thechurch saying these things,
predominantly men, but behindclosed doors it was a very
different reality.
And because I started to put mychanging views out there on
Facebook and social media, asyou do when you're young and
naive and love a good socialmedia argument, I would get
pushback from these formerchurch members who I was still
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connected with.
And outwardly they would, ofcourse, condemn me, throw the
Bible verses at me in a way tokind of make me feel ashamed for
my views.
But what was happening, again,behind closed doors and in my
DMs was a very different story.
There were women reaching outto me saying, thank you so much
for sharing that article.
I actually have been throughthis, or I've had an abortion,
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or I've had multiple abortionsand I can never tell anyone, and
all of those kind of thingsthat made me go, whoa, hang on a
second.
There's more to this here thanjust me changing my mind, and
there's actually a lot morenuance going on that is not
being talked about, and it'snot, it's very dishonest, which
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I believe is a it's a verydishonest discussion that
happens in a lot of thesechurches where they condemn
abortion because the statisticsshow that, and this happens in
churches as well, one in fourwomen or people who can get
pregnant, that happens inchurch.
They are having abortions, andthat includes religious women.
And I know that firsthand fromhearing these stories.
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And so, that really kind of setme on the path.
I would say my original intentwas I'm gonna become so
knowledgeable, I'm gonna followall these awesome journalists.
And you know, I was readingRewire News and Prism and The
Atlantic and all the things thatwould educate me and listening
to podcasts, and I'm gonna showthem that they're wrong.
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And that was my original goal.
But along the way, I think Iwas changed to realize who is my
audience as a filmmaker, as astoryteller.
My audience is really, first ofall, myself, but also it's not
enough for me to try and provesomeone wrong.
I want to be in an environmentand a community where people
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feel supported and loved andaffirmed in their decision
making.
And so, that's when I kind ofyou know shifted my focus,
especially in my media work, tosupporting people who need
abortions and people whoconsider themselves
pro-abortion, pro-choice, andwant that right for themselves
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and use my tools and skills toshare nuanced stories.
And so I think I've learned alot from being in that church
environment, but it really wasthe push and seeing that
juxtaposition, I almost want tocall it an oxymoron of people,
you know, outwardly saying,we're against abortion, and then
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behind closed doors saying,well, actually, I needed an
abortion and I knew exactlywhich clinic to go to to get a
safe one and feel supported.
And so yeah, that I often thinkabout that and how today there
are so many people going throughthe exact same thing.
And it just makes me realizewhy storytelling is important
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and filmmaking.
This is it's why I do what Ido.
Jennie (14:09):
I mean, I relate to like so much of that.
I think we've talked about thisbefore that I grew up at the
Catholic Church, went to aCatholic school K through eight.
Asha (14:17):
Yeah.
Jennie (14:17):
And, you know, I always talk about like your story never
is like a straight line, right?
Like this, not like this onething happened and all of a
sudden this was my future and mypassion.
But if I trace back working onthese things, it really goes
back to somebody who is verymuch "pro-life" and still out
there doing all the things,inviting me to go with her to go
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to Madison.
And I was in like fifth orsixth grade to go save babies
with her.
And so young.
I know.
And I remember just going homeand talking to my mom of like,
oh my God, so-and-so wants me togo to Madison to go save babies
with her.
That sounds so great.
And she's like, okay, let's,like, sit down and have a
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conversation.
And in that conversation, mymom was very clear about just
thinking through it, like,thinking through what the people
are going through.
And then to me, did the very, Ithink, smart thing that I think
she doesn't necessarily didn'trecognize it, know it at the
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time, but was very like, if youstill want to go, you can go.
Like, gave me the autonomy tolike make that choice with the
new information she gave me todecide if I still wanted to go
do it.
And clearly I didn't.
And you know, but that didn'tmean all of a sudden I was doing
all of this work and was likeinvolved in this issue.
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But like when I think back,like this is where it all
started.
Asha (15:47):
I love that your mother modeled that autonomous decision
making in front of you, whetheryou realize it at the time or
not.
Like, that's really powerful.
Jennie (15:56):
And I love like so.
When I started doing this workand started doing this series,
we do like annually of, like,people telling their origin
stories and talking to her aboutlike what an important moment
this was.
And she's like, I don'tremember this.
Like, I don't know what you'retalking about.
Typical. I feel like that whatmoms do, like, "I don't remember
that at all." It was just likeanother day, but it was like
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this big aha moment of, like, Ican picture sitting at the
counter; I can picture us likehaving that conversation and her
giving me the ability to makemy own decisions.
Well, that's her living hervalues.
That's how nonchalant it was.
That's just who she was.
I think it's really importantto have these conversations
about religion today.
And I know you've talked aboutthis a lot on rePROs Fight Back
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because there's this idea thatthe dominant narrative or way of
thinking, if you're a person offaith, is that you have to be
against abortion.
And if you want to bepro-abortion and support the
right to choose, you cannot bereligious.
And that is so not true.
And any chance that I get, Iwant to push back on that.
And I'm so thankful that I havethe privilege of being in
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collaboration and community withpeople at nonprofits, in the
filmmaking space, people likeyou who have a similar origin
story in that regard, to sharethat actually being religious is
it's not a one size fits all.
I mean, every faith is notdifferent.
And every person of that samefaith also has different views
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and perspectives, and thatshould be affirmed and valued.
And so when I see, you know,very extremist statements being
said by political leaders andinternet figures about abortion,
about gender, especially, itsounds really shocking to a lot
of people who didn't grow up inthat environment.
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But for someone like me, it'slike, oh yeah, that's what they
talked about in church.
That's exactly what they said.
Wives should submit to theirhusbands.
And, you know, this whole thatwhole trad wife movement, it's
like people see that as like asocial media influencer trend,
but that's what whiteevangelical Christianity was
like in the church that I camefrom.
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Like trad wives were aroundbefore social media existed, you
know, the stay-at-home mom, andit wasn't your choice.
You were expected to be there,and you expected to have as many
babies as the Lord blesses youwith.
Typically, don't do things likebirth control or, you know,
having any sort of reproductivechoice.
It's you have to submit to thepowers that be, which is God,
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your minister, and your husbandor your dad if you're not
married.
And so it's easy to see howquickly we slid back to having
no federal protections forabortion, having state
legislatures trying to proposethese horrific death penalties
and criminalization penaltiesfor choosing to have an
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abortion.
It's like that has beenfestering in many of these
churches, like the ones that Iwent to for so long.
And they go out to theseclinics and they weaponize the
Bible and their faith in God andto harass people, to harass
women.
And it's really awful, butthere are people of faith who
stand on the front lines andsay, you know, not in my name
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and not in my God's name.
And we're seeing that now withfaith leaders standing up to ice
and protecting immigrants andsaying that, you know, we
believe that women and people ofall genders have the right to
choose what is right for theirbody, whether it's abortion,
gender-affirming care, who youwant to marry and live with, and
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all of those things.
So, I have to also acknowledgethe faith leaders who are doing
modeling what God's love reallyshould look like.
And it's it's not just if youconform and tick all the boxes
and do all the right things.
It's affirming you where youare, whoever you are, and in
that choice that you make.
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So yeah, it's, like, a it'scomplicated for me because on
one hand, I feel like I leftthat old conservative church and
really shunned religion.
I wouldn't say God, I'd say Ishunned religion for a long
time.
But I feel like religion hasbeen finding me again, like I'm
the board chair of a of thereligious community for
reproductive choice, anonprofit.
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And I get to learn about and bein community with faith leaders
who are affirming abortion.
And I get to hear these storiesand film people and interview
them and talk about stories offaith where they are championing
the right to bodily autonomy asa person of faith.
And so, I don't think I want todismiss religion because there
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is a very vital role that it canplay in so many ways.
But like anything, it can beweaponized.
Well, Asha, thank you so muchfor sharing your story.
Asha (20:49):
Thank you so much for having me, and thank you for the
work that you are doing andthis amazing platform.
Christina (20:55):
Hi, my name is Christina Krysinski, and I am
the Associate Director forGlobal Advocacy at Planned
Parenthood Federation of Americaand Planned Parenthood Action
Fund.
Thank you, Jennie, for havingme on the podcast to talk about
my repro origin story.
It's really welcome timing thatwe are recording this episode
the week of Thanksgiving when Ihave physically traveled back to
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the site of my personal originstory.
And I'm in my hometown in theDetroit suburbs.
And since I'm here, I thought Iwould dig through the physical
archives and see if I coulduncover some evidence of my
repro origin story, and I did.
So, I have to offer you, andwe'll just very briefly read you
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a school report from mysophomore year of high school.
The year was 2006-2007, and theclass was titled Women's
Issues.
So here we go.
Women's Issues was created as aresult of student initiative.
The teachers realized throughconversations with future class
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members that there was both adesire and a genuine need for a
class that focused specificallyon health issues from a woman's
perspective.
In order to create a safe andproductive space, we began the
class by spending a good deal oftime getting to know each other
and sharing our personalhistories.
Over the course of thesemester, we covered issues of
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body image, sexuality, substanceabuse, healthy living, decision
making, and the status of womenboth domestically and
internationally.
However, most of our classsessions were focused on the
students as individuals, sharingchallenges, examining those
situations from a variety ofangles, and offering solutions.
Tina, that's what they calledme then.
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I was a Tina then.
"You were one of the mostdependable members of class in
terms of attendance, energy, andcontributions.
Your strong sense of self madeyou a natural fit for this
class.
You seemed to be equallycomfortable sharing your own
ideas and experiences andlistening to your classmates,
particularly toward the end ofthe semester.
Your sense of want to letothers speak first, let some
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important growth happen for someof the other class members.
Thank you for your enthusiasmand efforts.
They helped set a welcoming andsafe tone for the class." So, I
share that because when I thinkof what it means to sort of
have an origin story here andalso the kind of advocate that I
hope to be and the kind ofworld I hope to help build
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through this work, that isreally who I think of.
I think of that teenage girl, Ithink of that group of
teenagers with all of our hopesand dreams and imperfections who
were able to express a desirefor information, for support,
for space, to share theirchallenges and to talk about
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solutions and what the worldcould look like.
And also just what a gift itwas to have teachers who heard
that and supported us throughit.
So shout out to Linda andSusanna, who were our teachers
at the time.
And that has sort of been likethe guiding light for me in all
of this through each of thevaried phases of my career,
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whether it was working onhealthcare law and policy
domestically or now advocatingfor the reproductive freedom of
people around the world and therole that US foreign policy
plays in that.
So it worked out well to havesuch a good example of what that
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origin story looked like.
And that's really the core ofwhat I still take with me in the
work.
So thank you so much for havingme.
This was such a treat to beable to share.
And thank you.
Rachel (24:55):
Hello, my name is Rachel Marchand.
I am the senior policy analystwith rePROs Fight Back.
I have been lucky enough towork with Jennie at rePROs for
about eight years now.
And when I first joined atPopulation Institute, rePROs was
really, it was just a new idea.
And I walked right into it, andI feel so grateful that I did
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because I've been exposed to somany incredible and kind-hearted
and smart people and colleaguesand partners and professionals
over the course of rePROs lifeand my time here.
In terms of my background, Iknew that I'd that I'd always
end up doing health access orhealth equity work deep down.
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I just didn't know exactly whatit would look like or how I
would get there, which are keyto that process.
But I had a very medicallycomplex childhood.
I am a two-time childhoodcancer survivor, and I was in
and out of the hospital for thevast majority of my childhood.
And from a very young age, asyou can imagine, I saw health
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inequity all around me at alltimes.
I saw kids that had to take thebus alone two to three hours,
two times a week, you know, intothe state capitol from rural
areas to receive theirchemotherapy.
I saw kids whose parents had tosleep in their cars in the
parking lot, in the hospitalparking lot in the dead of
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winter.
I saw kids' parents get firedfrom their jobs for taking over
the allotted amount of time thatthey could for leave to be with
their children who werereceiving treatment or their
families.
And so, naturally from a veryyoung age, I was asking my
family and myself and theinstitutions around, I was
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asking a lot of questions.
I had a lot of questions.
Why, most importantly, arethere people who already in this
devastating course of events,why are they struggling to
receive health care?
And second of all, why isanybody's story, you know, look
any differently from anybodyelse's?
Why does my story lookdifferent from someone else's?
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Why does their story lookdifferent from, you know, the
story of my friend gettingtreatment down the hall?
I just couldn't understand howthere could be a situation in
which a vulnerable person whorequires treatment, in this
case, a sick child or a sickchild's family member, why the
world wasn't grinding to anabsolute halt to provide that
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care or help in whatever way,shape, or form was necessary
immediately.
I- it just- I couldn'tcomprehend.
It couldn't settle on my youngmind.
So, there's kind of a saying,at least when I was growing up
in the pediatric cancer world,that if you have childhood
cancer, you either run straightinto practicing it or you run
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straight away from practicingmedicine.
So, I pursued internationalrelations in college.
I have since gone on to do morestudies in public health, but
that's how I ended up in DC.
I don't even know that that wasconscious necessarily, that I
ended up on the academic andprofessional track that I did.
I, of course, always knew thatsocial progress, specifically
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related to health access andbeing involved in that social
progress, was incrediblyimportant to me.
And I think deep down, I'm sureI was trying to change the
world, which is why I got intointernational relations.
But I'm really glad I didbecause it brought me to the
U.S.
Senate.
I was working for a trulyamazing senator.
I was so lucky.
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He he was undoubtedly thenicest person on the Hill at the
time, and I just got so luckythat that was the case.
I really didn't last as long asI wanted to on the Hill, but I
thoroughly enjoyed my timethere.
I learned so much and Itreasure everything that I
learned, and it brought me to DCand it brought me to the
Population Institute and torePROs Fight Back.
(28:55):
And I have, like I like I said,I've been one of the people
behind rePROs Fight Back for itsentirety, for you know, eight
years of my career.
And it feels like such a fullcircle moment to come back to
health access and health equityand being a part of that
progressing that socialprogress.
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It means so much to me.
Access to any type ofreproductive health care,
abortion, maternal health andpregnancy care, gender-based
violence, counseling, cancerscreenings, birth control, that
should all be easy to access.
It should all be affordable.
It should, of course, all becompassionate.
It should it just likechemotherapy, you shouldn't have
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to book a flight or a hotelroom to go out of state to
receive basic health care.
You should have a state thatloves you enough that it is
gonna take care of you.
You should have a country thatloves you enough to take care of
you.
You should have medicalproviders that go to school to
have a job to love you enough totake care of you.
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No matter who you are, nomatter your race, your economic
security, your sexualorientation, your your gender
identity, your zip code, youshould have access.
And your body and your healthis yours.
So to be able to fight for thatevery day, that's just a- it's
such a privilege.
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And to be influenced by andexposed to and and learn from
the most incredible colleaguesand partners in this field that
are doing just incredible,massively trailblazing work,
it's such an honor to be a partof the platform that gives a
microphone to those voices andsays, you know, what do we need
to know?
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It's an incredible opportunity.
I guess for the young peopleout there who are currently
working in this field or whowant to get more involved in
this field, I would say to them,there's no roadmap.
You you don't have to doeverything quote unquote "by the
book." You know, yourexperiences and your knowledge
(31:05):
and the skills that you developand your very person, it will
propel you to where you need tobe.
And there will be things thatyou can do to influence that
trajectory for sure.
You just also need to know thatsome of it is a process of
unfolding.
It's okay to have goals and towork towards something
(31:25):
big, absolutely, but be open tothings.
Don't necessarily put yourselfin a box, and you'll end up
where you need to be.
And this movement will be herewaiting for you.
I really appreciate anybodywho's listened to this.
I really appreciate Jennie forgiving me an opportunity to
tell my story.
Thank you so much.
(31:46):
It means the world.
Jennie (31:48):
Okay, everybody.
I hope you enjoyed our SRHRHero Origin stories.
Thank you to everybody whoshared their story.
And like I said, you'll hearpart two in a couple weeks.
So, I will see everybody nextweek.
If you have any questions,comments, or topics you would
like us to cover, always feelfree to shoot me an email.
You can reach me atjennie@reprosfightback.com or
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you can find us on social media.
We're at rePROs Fight Back onFacebook and Twitter, or
@reprosfb on Instagram.
If you love our podcast andwant to make sure more people
find it, take the time to rateand review us on your favorite
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Or if you want to make sure tosupport the podcast, you can
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(32:33):
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