November 11, 2025 • 32 mins
November 12, 2025, is #ThxBirthControl Day-- a day to celebrate the multiple methods of contraceptive care that allow people to live their fullest lives and reach their dreams and goals. Monica Edwards, Senior Manager, Public Policy at Power to Decide and Tara Mancini, Public Policy Director at Power to Decide, sit down to talk with us about the magic of #ThxBirthControl Day, as well as the recent attacks that threaten our access to the contraception that helps shape our lives.
Over 90% of adults agree that birth control should be legal. Three out of four voters believe that it should be easier to access. And nine and ten women of reproductive age have used birth control at some point in their life. Yet birth control faces ceaseless attacks including misinformation and disinformation, the creeping reclassification of contraception as ‘abortifacients,’ and the withholding of funds from Title X grantees. Join the #ThxBirthControl online campaign to share your story and fight back against these attacks.
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This week we are going to talkabout the various attacks we're
seeing on birth control.
And then we're gonna be talkingabout Thanks Birth Control Day,
which unfortunately, as we talkabout it in the podcast, we say
it is today.
If you're listening to it onthe day you came it comes out,
but it is actually November12th, which is tomorrow.
So, it's Wednesday.
So, I mean, you are free toshare why you want to thank
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birth control the day it comesout, but if you could actually
also do it on Wednesday, thatwould be great! So, sorry for
the confusion.
We keep saying that it's today,but it is actually on
Wednesday, November 12th, isThanks Birth Control Day.
So, please make sure to get outon social media and say why you
are thankful for birth control.
I know I will, and I hope youwill all join me for saying why
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you want to thank birth control.
But helping me to do that, Ihave two wonderful guests, Tara
Mancini and Monica Edwards withPower to Decide.
So with that, let's go to myinterview with Tara and Monica.
Hi, Tara and Monica.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
Hi, Jennie.
Hi, thanks for having us.
I'm so excited to talk to y'alltoday.
(05:00):
Before we get started, let's doa round of introduction so
people know who is talking one.
Let's start with Tara.
Tara (05:07):
Hi, I'm Tara Mancini.
I use she and they pronouns,and I'm the Public Policy
Director at Power to Decide.
Monica (05:15):
Hey y'all, my name is Monica Edwards.
I use she/her pronouns.
I'm the Senior Manager ofPublic Policy at Power to
Decide.
Jennie (05:22):
I'm so excited to have the two of you here today.
One, we're gonna talk aboutThanks Birth Control, with which
if y'all are listening on theday this comes out is today.
But I also am really excited totalk to you about the attacks
we're seeing on birth control.
I feel like that's one of thosethings that when you say to
people, they treat you likeyou're being a crazy person,
like they are not coming afterbirth control.
(05:44):
But it's clearly happening.
So what are we seeing?
Monica (05:48):
Yeah, we're seeing a lot, honestly.
So, I'll talk a little bitabout some of the federal
attacks that we're seeing.
So, I mean, I think always it'sfirst to start with grounding
everyone in that access tocontraception is important to
achieving reproductivewell-being.
It's about making sure peoplecan decide if, when, and under
what circumstances to getpregnant and have a child, and
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access to birth control iscrucial to that.
And we know that access tocontraception is not only
extremely popular, but extremelyimportant.
Over 90% of adults agree thatbirth control should be legal.
Three out of four votersbelieve that it should be easier
to access.
And nine in ten women ofreproductive age have used birth
control at some point in theirlife.
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So we know it's extremelyimportant and popular.
Unfortunately, we've seen a lotof subtle and not so subtle
attacks on contraception, and ofcourse, that impacts the
ability for people to access it.
So on the federal level, we'veseen a lot of subtle attacks in
the forms of misinformation anddisinformation, which we'll talk
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a little bit more about aswell.
But this looks like, forexample, myths that are
perpetuated about accessingbirth control.
So, for example, a lot of mythsthat a lot of federal lawmakers
have perpetuated is that, oh,I'm pro-contraception, I just
disagree with certain methods.
And they will then say falsethings about specific methods.
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So, for example, they'llclassify like emergency
contraception as an"abortifacient," quote unquote,
in an attempt to sort of carveout specific methods.
And then another frequenttalking point we've seen from
some federal lawmakers is thisidea that, as you you kind of
talked about, Jennie, this isnot really an issue.
Like, no one's coming afteryour birth control, so just stop
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it.
And we know that that's nottrue with the not so subtle
attacks that we've seen.
We've seen, for example, in2022, like right after the Dobbs
decision, Senate leadershipdecided to take or try to bring
the Right to Contraception Actto the Senate floor for vote.
And unfortunately, that failed.
A lot of folks that weresaying, like, oh, we're
pro-contraception, we're forpeople getting birth control.
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And then when it came down tovote on a bill that would
enshrine the right to accessbirth control into federal law,
they voted against it.
And so we see with these likenot so subtle and also subtle
attacks in the form of MDI orjust completely vetoing policies
that would improve access, thata lot of federal lawmakers are
not actually pro-contraception.
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And we've seen that in some ofthe policies that they are
unfortunately supporting or notsupporting.
So just a little preview.
Tara (08:26):
Yeah, and I can just I can definitely echo some of the
what Monica has said at thestate level.
Definitely hear folks saying"no one is coming after birth
control," definitely have folkstrying to misclassify certain
types of birth control.
You know, one of the big thingsis an effort to redefine
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contraception from one that'sbased in science to one that's
based on a moral view.
And, you know, before going anyfurther, it is fine to have
your own moral view about whatis right, what is wrong, what
you want to use, what you don'twant to use, but that should not
be defining what everyone elsehas access to in their life.
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So, one of the most recentexamples is in South Carolina,
there was a lot of news coverageof a bill SB323, which is a
total abortion ban that alsoredefines contraception.
And so, while the immediateimpact of the ban is on abortion
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access, which is bad enough inits own right, but it also lays
the groundwork, right, forbanning contraception down the
road once you've changed thedefinition of contraception.
And this is a bill that wasdrafted by National Right to
Life.
So, it means that we're likelyto see copycats in other states
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trying to ban abortion.
So that's just like one exampleof a place where it's sort of a
sneaky redefinition ofcontraception.
And you know, it gives somepeople there is a little bit of
plausible deniability wheresomeone can say, like, no, this
is this is not about that, andthat's not about contraception,
this is about abortion.
Okay, that's already badenough, but well, why are you
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changing this definition here?
And then, even, you know,earlier this year I was
listening to a debate inWisconsin, in the Wisconsin
House, where there is aRepublican-sponsored bill to
expand access to contraceptionvia pharmacists prescribing,
which a lot of states across thecountry already have.
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It is just another access pointor would be another access
point for folks in Wisconsin tobe able to go to a pharmacy, a
participating pharmacy, and getbirth control prescribed by the
pharmacist if it is, in fact,you know, not contraindicated
for them.
And so there, yes, like I said,there's a Republican that is
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sponsoring this bill, has beensponsoring this bill for several
years to get this enacted.
And during the debate, rather,not even debating actually the
policy, there one of the mainopponents of the bill is a
Republican in the House that isdebating birth control,
actually, and sayingperpetuating these myths and
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just making up things like, oh,well, you're not supposed to be
on birth control for more thanwhat amount of time.
You're supposed to take breaks,and just just saying a bunch of
nonsense that actually theman's the main sponsor of the
bill responded to in good faithand striking down saying that
those are those things are nottrue.
And so this is just amicrocosm, these these few
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examples of what is going on allaround the country and states
and things that are happening atthe national level, like Monica
said.
Jennie (11:48):
Yeah, I feel like we've really been seeing the growth
and proliferation of the birthcontrol as an "abortifacient"
for a while now, right?
Like it was used in the HobbyLobby case.
This year we saw it, and alsotying into like another federal
level attack when the USgovernment froze foreign
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assistance.
A lot of commodities and thingsthat were already bought with
taxpayer dollars were inwarehouses.
One of those things was $10million worth of birth control.
A large chunk of that is inBelgium right now.
And the administration isdetermined to burn it instead of
letting other countries buy itor other NGOs buy it and make
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sure that it gets to the peoplewho need it.
And their line of argument, Imean, they've kind of thrown
spaghetti at the wall for likemultiple reasons why they want
to burn it, but they used thatit that it is aborti facients,
and it is decidedly not one, theUS as much as we would love
them to, there is the HelmsAmendment that says they can't
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fund abortion in foreignassistance.
So, no, there are not abortivepatients in that warehouse.
There is birth control.
So just like tying the twotogether, right?
You're seeing anotheradministration attack on birth
control, wanting to burn $10million worth of US taxpayer
money, spending more taxpayermoney to burn it, and also call
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spreading misinformation,disinformation, saying that it
is an abortifacient.
Tara (13:20):
Yes, that is a great example because how committed do
you have to be, committed to tobeing anti-birth control, than
to burn existing stock of it,rather than giving it to people
who want it.
Jennie (13:34):
Especially when people are willing to pay for it.
Tara (13:36):
Right.
Jennie (13:36):
Like you can make money.
Monica (13:38):
And not only that, too, we also saw the administration
like with what's happeningcurrently and what what has
previously happened with theTitle X family planning program,
another way they have beensowing a lot of myths and
disinformation is this ideathat, like, Title X is about
abortion, which it is not.
And so, this idea that like wecan't fund Title X for that
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reason, and we all know this,right?
We all know that Title X is oneof the only federal programs
dedicated to family planning,and it's a really important
program for making sure thatpeople, specifically
marginalized communities,communities that don't wouldn't
normally have access to familyplanning, have access, right?
And that includes birthcontrol.
However, the administrationdecided in March of this year
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that, like, no, we're gonna likeactually like withhold funds
from a lot of Title X granteesfor this reason that we made up
because we think they're doingthings that we don't think they
should do.
Therefore, we're gonna justlike freeze the money and not
allow grantees of this programto get the funds that they need
to serve their communities,right?
(14:43):
So again, you can say you'repro-contraception, but how
committed are you, as Taramentioned, to be like burning
birth control or like making upstories and then freezing
Congressionally- appropriatedfunds, right?
These are funds that havealready been appropriated by
Congress, but you're freezingthose funds to say that, yeah,
we're not gonna give these fundsto Title X grantees, right?
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And that obviously is gonnaimpact the communities that
those grantees serve,unfortunately.
Jennie (15:11):
So we've already touched on mis and disinformation, but
it is worth talking about on itsown because there is so much of
it out there.
I mean, you start thinkingabout even social media, like
you just it is everywhere rightnow.
And so I feel like it deservesits own like little light shone
on it.
So, what are we seeing aroundmis and disinformation right
(15:34):
now?
Monica (15:34):
A lot.
I know that's like, well, duh.
But I mean, we've seen a lot,both social media, we've seen in
the media, journalists likeperpetuating mis and
disinformation.
Like, I think like you all justmentioned, like, it could be
something as small as like asTara mentioned with the debate
on on the Wisconsin House oflike, oh no, you're supposed to
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take breaks with birth control.
And it's little things likethat.
And I agree, I think talkingabout it deserves its own like
segment because what the resultof of mis and disinformation is,
is that people don't getaccess.
If you perpetuate enough mythsabout what it means to access
birth control, or you perpetuatemyths about a specific method
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of birth control, what that doesin return is it it stigmatizes
it, unfortunately, and then itresults in policies being passed
that would then like furtherinhibit someone's ability to
access it.
And so, I think we've seen itas we both mentioned
policy-wise, in the way thatlawmakers or the administration
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has talked about it, but we'vealso seen it like on social
media with like even influencerstalking about like birth
control and and and sayingthings that are just simply not
true.
Tara (16:49):
Yeah.
So essentially, because we havesocial media, it just spreads
so more widely than you know,thinking back like 20 years, 20
years ago when I was a youngerperson, a young person.
And yeah, there were alwaysthese sort of ideas floating
around.
Oh, if you use this one, youmay not feel good.
If you use this, you like youmight gain weight or you it
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might not work for you.
Those things kind of floatedaround, and those things were
true for certain, could be truefor certain people.
And I think there's adifference, right, between
someone being able to go on andtell their just share their own
particular experience.
But we do know that there arepeople who are fear-mongering
online and maybe just trying totake an anecdote and turn it
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into fact.
So, there is a lot of fear andconfusion online.
And we even, you know, todayreleasing our 2025 Youth
Reproductive Health Survey data,and that shows that social
media narratives may becontributing to misconceptions
among young people.
For instance, half incorrectlybelieve that taking a break from
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birth control pills isnecessary for health reasons.
And, you know, when you hearsomebody in the in then in the
government, I mean, I don't knowhow often people are listening
to floor debates in in thehouse, but the more places you
hear this anything, then themore likely you are to believe
it.
So this is actually, I think,you know, it is concerning that
we're seeing this among youthbecause this then impacts
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impacts their access.
And another finding is thathalf worry that birth control
has dangerous side effects,right?
So of course, medications haveside effects, all medications
do.
But the pill we know has a60-year track record of being
safe, effective, contraceptivemethod for millions of people.
So those are just some of thethings that we top lines that
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we've seen in this year's surveydata.
Jennie (18:48):
Yeah, I just think of like how the scope and the scale
is like so different, right?
Like, same, like when I was inhigh school and stuff, you had
like the whisper network at yourschool of like you're gonna
gain weight, or this is gonnamake your mood be all over the
place, or whatever.
Like, you have like that, andthat's like one level of
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misinformation you're getting.
And again, not helpful, right?
If you're getting things thatare not true or that are scaring
you away from getting moreinformation or asking questions,
right?
But if you're like gettingbombarded on social media with
those narratives, like that'stotally different because like
all of a sudden with thealgorithms and stuff, you've
watched one video, well, thenyou're getting served even more
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of it that just keeps feedingthat disinformation that is
gonna make it really hard foryou to find true information.
Monica (19:43):
For sure.
And I think something I lovethat we've done at Power to
Decide, like from the data fromthe Your Health Survey, like
realizing that a lot of youngpeople, like, despite what
people think, like, yes, youngpeople love influencers.
I also love influence, right?
I do think they have a crucialand important role in like
shifting culture and narrativesabout sexual and reproductive
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health.
But like a lot of young people,we found do want information
from healthcare providers,right?
And so, like a lot of theamazing work we've done with
like Bedsider and creatingBedsider is making sure that
like young people do have atrusted healthcare provider
online that they can like askquestions or they can go on
Bedsider and just like searchabout articles about different
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things, about different methods,or like what does it mean to
use birth control long-termversus short term and like that
type of thing.
And so I do think that's I lovethat that's an important
resource that we at Power toDecide have been able to create
and make sure that people can,you know, get not only the
trusted information they needed,but get it from the sources
that they want to get it from.
Jennie (20:44):
Yeah, it leads into one of the things I always talk
about on the podcast is (20:47):
you don't need to know all of the
things.
So, I don't need to knoweverything, but I need to be
able to, if people ask mequestions, be like, hey, have
you heard of Bedsider?
Like, if you go there, you canget trusted information.
Or "I need to find anabortion." Great.
Here's I Need An A, or anynumber of resources where you
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can point people to ensure thatthey are getting good
information.
And that makes you a reallyvaluable resource in your
network, in your communities.
So, you don't need to be ableto answer all of the questions
of like, I'm thinking aboutwhatever, I've had this problem.
I don't need to know theanswers to that, but I need to
know that if I send them toBedsider, like they can find the
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information they need fromtrusted sources, and that is a
really important role you canplay in your community.
Tara (21:35):
I think, you know, something that is helpful for
people to think about is tothink critically about where
they're getting theirinformation.
So, you know, when you seesomething that pops up online or
in your algorithm or on yourfor you page that makes you go,
huh, really?
Is that true?
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Then, you know, there arecertain things that you can ask
yourself to evaluate the, youknow, the trustworthiness of
that information.
Is it from a credible medicalsource or provider?
Can you find other the sameinformation from other trusted
resources?
Or is this like the only placethat you're seeing it online?
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When is the information thatyou're looking at published?
I mean, we know that sciencechanges over time, right?
Or what we know through sciencechanges over time.
So, if it's a paper from 40years ago, I don't know, odds
are I could things have ourunderstanding of something could
have changed.
Or we could have better, betterevidence or more evidence.
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And also just thinking aboutwhether or not the person, the
video, the influencer, whetheror not their perspective seems
overly biased and oneperspective.
So, those are like a fewquestions that people can ask
themselves when they things dopop up for them, in addition to
going to Bedsider.
Jennie (22:56):
Okay, now that we've hit some of the attacks we're
seeing and missingdisinformation, another thing we
like to do is talk about thingsthe audience can do.
And y'all have a greatopportunity today.
So, what can the audience do?
Monica (23:13):
Well, today is Thanks Birth Control Day, and so they
can join us online forThanks Birth Control and shout
out, you know, what birthcontrol has made possible for
them.
I think a lot of times when wethink of like things are on
fire, because literally thingsare on fire, how do I show up in
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this moment and and how can Ibe an advocate?
In what ways in my life can Imake changes to what's happening
around me?
And I think, and I know we justtalked a lot of stuff about
like how sometimes social mediaand influencers get it wrong,
but oftentimes they get itright.
And I do think a way that youknow people can take action is
through social media, is throughnarrative and culture shift.
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Because I do think, you know,when we when we don't tell our
stories and when we stay silenton the ways in which we've been
impacted, whether that benegatively or positively,
things don't shift.
And so just why, you know,Thanks Birth Control, our
campaign and and campaigns likeit is crucial because it allows
people to not only talk aboutlike the ways in which birth
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control has made things positivefor them, but also remind us of
like we still have a long wayto go.
You know, there's stillpolicies that are needed,
there's still more cultureshift, there's still stigma
around sexual health, period.
Like there's still more that wecan do.
So I do think just using youryour voice and telling your
story, and again, joining usonline for
Thanks Birth Control Day is onething that you can do.
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And checking out our resources,like Bedsider, also Abortion
Finder, you know, are reallygood resources for just learning
about sexual and reproductivehealth broadly.
Tara (24:48):
Yeah, I totally agree with that, Monica.
This will be our 13th year,actually, of our Thanks Birth
Control Day campaign.
Jennie (24:56):
Wow.
Tara (24:56):
Yeah, which started off before I was with the
organization, but sort of seeingbacklash about birth control
online.
And it's still going um to thisday.
So, we use the hashtag#ThxBirthControl, encourage
people to share their stories inorder to create a movement to
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normalize discussions aboutbirth control, also to say like
what it's made possible for you.
And yeah, like like Monicasaid, also, you know, just like
there is still stigma about it.
So the more people talk aboutit, can des stigmatize it, but
also people in over the yearshave shared about their
difficulty getting something,and you know, before having
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insurance, a certain method orwhatnot, and how you know, being
insured or using certainprograms has helped them get the
method that is right for them.
And so, I think in this momentwhere we're seeing so many
attacks, it is one way that wecan show up and say this is
something that is helpful forme, our communities, and this is
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what more we need in order toactualize contraceptive access
for all.
Jennie (26:11):
Yeah, this is one of those I feel like hits close to
home for me.
And actually, also with ourconversation today.
I'm sure many in our audienceare familiar.
I went to Catholic school, Kthrough eight, had had sex ed
from a nun.
As you can imagine, it wassuper effective and helpful and
not at all stigmatizing.
So had lots of that like birthcontrol doesn't work.
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So again, disinformation spreadthrough my sex education,
heavier quotes that I got.
And so, you know, unlearningall that stigma and getting rid
of all that stigma to now, like,brook in a field where I can
very clearly shout, thanks,birth control, and talk about
abortion, like that is huge.
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And it is so nice to see thisevery year because you know,
along with stigma comes thatdon't talk about it, like don't
don't share that you're on birthcontrol because like it's bad.
And so it is really great tosee this celebration every year.
And I have taken part in itsince day one, so it is just so
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great to see it again everyyear.
Tara (27:18):
We always appreciate your participation, Jennie.
Monica (27:22):
For sure.
Because I mean it definitely isa campaign where you can like
shout, like, oh yeah, like I'vehad birth control since I've
wanted it and it's been great,but it is also a space for
people to be like, you know, Idid not get what I need for a
very long time, or or for somepeople, like I still haven't
gotten really what I needed.
And it's a way to really have aspace where people can be
honest about, you know, the thepositives and the shortcomings.
(27:44):
And I know people may also bejust like you know, thinking
about it in in this largermoment of like, how does why
does this matter in the largercontext of like everything
happening in the world?
Because it it all intersectsand then it's about being able
to achieve, you know, bodilyautonomy and the ability to make
decisions about your life, yourbody, your future, your family,
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your community, right?
And it's a small part, but itis a very important part of
being able to, you know,actualize what it means to have
reproductive well-being, to havereproductive justice, to to
have a world in which everyonehas what they need to really
thrive.
And you know, we we need that.
That's why we say, "thanksbirth control," because it does
allow us in many ways to worktowards that future.
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I won't say achieve it becausewe have a long way to go, but to
work towards that.
Jennie (28:31):
Okay, one funny Thanks, Birth Control story, for having
been involved in this for a longtime.
I don't know if you still havethem because I haven't been on
the site in a while.
Several years ago there werepet-like t-shirts that said,
"fur babies now, real babiesmaybe later." And I forced poor
Cinder and Luna to put it on andtake pictures.
(28:53):
And I think they took it andhid it somewhere safe so that
they I never can put it on themagain because I have no idea
where it is.
It has completely disappeared.
I am pretty sure they havetaken it because they did not
were not super psyched withwearing the t-shirt.
Tara (29:13):
That's hilarious.
I have an extra one if you wantit.
Um I also did make my dog do anobligatory picture with it.
I don't think he was, it wastoo big for him and he wasn't
quite happy.
The things they do for us.
Jennie (29:29):
Right.
They were definitely notamused.
Tara, Monica, thank you so muchfor being here today.
It was so much fun to talk toyou.
Monica (29:39):
Thanks for having us, Jennie.
Tara (29:40):
Yeah, it was great talking to you as well.
Jennie (29:42):
Okay, y'all.
I hope you enjoyed myconversation with Tara and
Monica.
And just a quick reminder: thanks, birth control day is (29:46):
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November 12th.
It is not today when it comesout, it is tomorrow.
Sorry for the confusion.
We kept saying today and wemeant tomorrow.
So, with that, I hope you allwill take a minute on Wednesday
to tell us why you are thankfulfor your birth control with
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This week we are going to talkabout the various attacks we're
seeing on birth control.
And then we're gonna be talkingabout Thanks Birth Control Day,
which unfortunately, as we talkabout it in the podcast, we say
it is today.
If you're listening to it onthe day you came it comes out,
but it is actually November12th, which is tomorrow.
So, it's Wednesday.
So, I mean, you are free toshare why you want to thank
(04:15):
birth control the day it comesout, but if you could actually
also do it on Wednesday, thatwould be great! So, sorry for
the confusion.
We keep saying that it's today,but it is actually on
Wednesday, November 12th, isThanks Birth Control Day.
So, please make sure to get outon social media and say why you
are thankful for birth control.
I know I will, and I hope youwill all join me for saying why
(04:38):
you want to thank birth control.
But helping me to do that, Ihave two wonderful guests, Tara
Mancini and Monica Edwards withPower to Decide.
So with that, let's go to myinterview with Tara and Monica.
Hi, Tara and Monica.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
Hi, Jennie.
Hi, thanks for having us.
I'm so excited to talk to y'alltoday.
(05:00):
Before we get started, let's doa round of introduction so
people know who is talking one.
Let's start with Tara.
Tara (05:07):
Hi, I'm Tara Mancini.
I use she and they pronouns,and I'm the Public Policy
Director at Power to Decide.
Monica (05:15):
Hey y'all, my name is Monica Edwards.
I use she/her pronouns.
I'm the Senior Manager ofPublic Policy at Power to
Decide.
Jennie (05:22):
I'm so excited to have the two of you here today.
One, we're gonna talk aboutThanks Birth Control, with which
if y'all are listening on theday this comes out is today.
But I also am really excited totalk to you about the attacks
we're seeing on birth control.
I feel like that's one of thosethings that when you say to
people, they treat you likeyou're being a crazy person,
like they are not coming afterbirth control.
(05:44):
But it's clearly happening.
So what are we seeing?
Monica (05:48):
Yeah, we're seeing a lot, honestly.
So, I'll talk a little bitabout some of the federal
attacks that we're seeing.
So, I mean, I think always it'sfirst to start with grounding
everyone in that access tocontraception is important to
achieving reproductivewell-being.
It's about making sure peoplecan decide if, when, and under
what circumstances to getpregnant and have a child, and
(06:10):
access to birth control iscrucial to that.
And we know that access tocontraception is not only
extremely popular, but extremelyimportant.
Over 90% of adults agree thatbirth control should be legal.
Three out of four votersbelieve that it should be easier
to access.
And nine in ten women ofreproductive age have used birth
control at some point in theirlife.
(06:31):
So we know it's extremelyimportant and popular.
Unfortunately, we've seen a lotof subtle and not so subtle
attacks on contraception, and ofcourse, that impacts the
ability for people to access it.
So on the federal level, we'veseen a lot of subtle attacks in
the forms of misinformation anddisinformation, which we'll talk
(06:52):
a little bit more about aswell.
But this looks like, forexample, myths that are
perpetuated about accessingbirth control.
So, for example, a lot of mythsthat a lot of federal lawmakers
have perpetuated is that, oh,I'm pro-contraception, I just
disagree with certain methods.
And they will then say falsethings about specific methods.
(07:14):
So, for example, they'llclassify like emergency
contraception as an"abortifacient," quote unquote,
in an attempt to sort of carveout specific methods.
And then another frequenttalking point we've seen from
some federal lawmakers is thisidea that, as you you kind of
talked about, Jennie, this isnot really an issue.
Like, no one's coming afteryour birth control, so just stop
(07:35):
it.
And we know that that's nottrue with the not so subtle
attacks that we've seen.
We've seen, for example, in2022, like right after the Dobbs
decision, Senate leadershipdecided to take or try to bring
the Right to Contraception Actto the Senate floor for vote.
And unfortunately, that failed.
A lot of folks that weresaying, like, oh, we're
pro-contraception, we're forpeople getting birth control.
(07:57):
And then when it came down tovote on a bill that would
enshrine the right to accessbirth control into federal law,
they voted against it.
And so we see with these likenot so subtle and also subtle
attacks in the form of MDI orjust completely vetoing policies
that would improve access, thata lot of federal lawmakers are
not actually pro-contraception.
(08:18):
And we've seen that in some ofthe policies that they are
unfortunately supporting or notsupporting.
So just a little preview.
Tara (08:26):
Yeah, and I can just I can definitely echo some of the
what Monica has said at thestate level.
Definitely hear folks saying"no one is coming after birth
control," definitely have folkstrying to misclassify certain
types of birth control.
You know, one of the big thingsis an effort to redefine
(08:46):
contraception from one that'sbased in science to one that's
based on a moral view.
And, you know, before going anyfurther, it is fine to have
your own moral view about whatis right, what is wrong, what
you want to use, what you don'twant to use, but that should not
be defining what everyone elsehas access to in their life.
(09:08):
So, one of the most recentexamples is in South Carolina,
there was a lot of news coverageof a bill SB323, which is a
total abortion ban that alsoredefines contraception.
And so, while the immediateimpact of the ban is on abortion
(09:28):
access, which is bad enough inits own right, but it also lays
the groundwork, right, forbanning contraception down the
road once you've changed thedefinition of contraception.
And this is a bill that wasdrafted by National Right to
Life.
So, it means that we're likelyto see copycats in other states
(09:50):
trying to ban abortion.
So that's just like one exampleof a place where it's sort of a
sneaky redefinition ofcontraception.
And you know, it gives somepeople there is a little bit of
plausible deniability wheresomeone can say, like, no, this
is this is not about that, andthat's not about contraception,
this is about abortion.
Okay, that's already badenough, but well, why are you
(10:14):
changing this definition here?
And then, even, you know,earlier this year I was
listening to a debate inWisconsin, in the Wisconsin
House, where there is aRepublican-sponsored bill to
expand access to contraceptionvia pharmacists prescribing,
which a lot of states across thecountry already have.
(10:37):
It is just another access pointor would be another access
point for folks in Wisconsin tobe able to go to a pharmacy, a
participating pharmacy, and getbirth control prescribed by the
pharmacist if it is, in fact,you know, not contraindicated
for them.
And so there, yes, like I said,there's a Republican that is
(10:57):
sponsoring this bill, has beensponsoring this bill for several
years to get this enacted.
And during the debate, rather,not even debating actually the
policy, there one of the mainopponents of the bill is a
Republican in the House that isdebating birth control,
actually, and sayingperpetuating these myths and
(11:18):
just making up things like, oh,well, you're not supposed to be
on birth control for more thanwhat amount of time.
You're supposed to take breaks,and just just saying a bunch of
nonsense that actually theman's the main sponsor of the
bill responded to in good faithand striking down saying that
those are those things are nottrue.
And so this is just amicrocosm, these these few
(11:41):
examples of what is going on allaround the country and states
and things that are happening atthe national level, like Monica
said.
Jennie (11:48):
Yeah, I feel like we've really been seeing the growth
and proliferation of the birthcontrol as an "abortifacient"
for a while now, right?
Like it was used in the HobbyLobby case.
This year we saw it, and alsotying into like another federal
level attack when the USgovernment froze foreign
(12:10):
assistance.
A lot of commodities and thingsthat were already bought with
taxpayer dollars were inwarehouses.
One of those things was $10million worth of birth control.
A large chunk of that is inBelgium right now.
And the administration isdetermined to burn it instead of
letting other countries buy itor other NGOs buy it and make
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sure that it gets to the peoplewho need it.
And their line of argument, Imean, they've kind of thrown
spaghetti at the wall for likemultiple reasons why they want
to burn it, but they used thatit that it is aborti facients,
and it is decidedly not one, theUS as much as we would love
them to, there is the HelmsAmendment that says they can't
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fund abortion in foreignassistance.
So, no, there are not abortivepatients in that warehouse.
There is birth control.
So just like tying the twotogether, right?
You're seeing anotheradministration attack on birth
control, wanting to burn $10million worth of US taxpayer
money, spending more taxpayermoney to burn it, and also call
(13:15):
spreading misinformation,disinformation, saying that it
is an abortifacient.
Tara (13:20):
Yes, that is a great example because how committed do
you have to be, committed to tobeing anti-birth control, than
to burn existing stock of it,rather than giving it to people
who want it.
Jennie (13:34):
Especially when people are willing to pay for it.
Tara (13:36):
Right.
Jennie (13:36):
Like you can make money.
Monica (13:38):
And not only that, too, we also saw the administration
like with what's happeningcurrently and what what has
previously happened with theTitle X family planning program,
another way they have beensowing a lot of myths and
disinformation is this ideathat, like, Title X is about
abortion, which it is not.
And so, this idea that like wecan't fund Title X for that
(13:59):
reason, and we all know this,right?
We all know that Title X is oneof the only federal programs
dedicated to family planning,and it's a really important
program for making sure thatpeople, specifically
marginalized communities,communities that don't wouldn't
normally have access to familyplanning, have access, right?
And that includes birthcontrol.
However, the administrationdecided in March of this year
(14:23):
that, like, no, we're gonna likeactually like withhold funds
from a lot of Title X granteesfor this reason that we made up
because we think they're doingthings that we don't think they
should do.
Therefore, we're gonna justlike freeze the money and not
allow grantees of this programto get the funds that they need
to serve their communities,right?
(14:43):
So again, you can say you'repro-contraception, but how
committed are you, as Taramentioned, to be like burning
birth control or like making upstories and then freezing
Congressionally- appropriatedfunds, right?
These are funds that havealready been appropriated by
Congress, but you're freezingthose funds to say that, yeah,
we're not gonna give these fundsto Title X grantees, right?
(15:05):
And that obviously is gonnaimpact the communities that
those grantees serve,unfortunately.
Jennie (15:11):
So we've already touched on mis and disinformation, but
it is worth talking about on itsown because there is so much of
it out there.
I mean, you start thinkingabout even social media, like
you just it is everywhere rightnow.
And so I feel like it deservesits own like little light shone
on it.
So, what are we seeing aroundmis and disinformation right
(15:34):
now?
Monica (15:34):
A lot.
I know that's like, well, duh.
But I mean, we've seen a lot,both social media, we've seen in
the media, journalists likeperpetuating mis and
disinformation.
Like, I think like you all justmentioned, like, it could be
something as small as like asTara mentioned with the debate
on on the Wisconsin House oflike, oh no, you're supposed to
(15:57):
take breaks with birth control.
And it's little things likethat.
And I agree, I think talkingabout it deserves its own like
segment because what the resultof of mis and disinformation is,
is that people don't getaccess.
If you perpetuate enough mythsabout what it means to access
birth control, or you perpetuatemyths about a specific method
(16:17):
of birth control, what that doesin return is it it stigmatizes
it, unfortunately, and then itresults in policies being passed
that would then like furtherinhibit someone's ability to
access it.
And so, I think we've seen itas we both mentioned
policy-wise, in the way thatlawmakers or the administration
(16:38):
has talked about it, but we'vealso seen it like on social
media with like even influencerstalking about like birth
control and and and sayingthings that are just simply not
true.
Tara (16:49):
Yeah.
So essentially, because we havesocial media, it just spreads
so more widely than you know,thinking back like 20 years, 20
years ago when I was a youngerperson, a young person.
And yeah, there were alwaysthese sort of ideas floating
around.
Oh, if you use this one, youmay not feel good.
If you use this, you like youmight gain weight or you it
(17:12):
might not work for you.
Those things kind of floatedaround, and those things were
true for certain, could be truefor certain people.
And I think there's adifference, right, between
someone being able to go on andtell their just share their own
particular experience.
But we do know that there arepeople who are fear-mongering
online and maybe just trying totake an anecdote and turn it
(17:36):
into fact.
So, there is a lot of fear andconfusion online.
And we even, you know, todayreleasing our 2025 Youth
Reproductive Health Survey data,and that shows that social
media narratives may becontributing to misconceptions
among young people.
For instance, half incorrectlybelieve that taking a break from
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birth control pills isnecessary for health reasons.
And, you know, when you hearsomebody in the in then in the
government, I mean, I don't knowhow often people are listening
to floor debates in in thehouse, but the more places you
hear this anything, then themore likely you are to believe
it.
So this is actually, I think,you know, it is concerning that
we're seeing this among youthbecause this then impacts
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impacts their access.
And another finding is thathalf worry that birth control
has dangerous side effects,right?
So of course, medications haveside effects, all medications
do.
But the pill we know has a60-year track record of being
safe, effective, contraceptivemethod for millions of people.
So those are just some of thethings that we top lines that
(18:46):
we've seen in this year's surveydata.
Jennie (18:48):
Yeah, I just think of like how the scope and the scale
is like so different, right?
Like, same, like when I was inhigh school and stuff, you had
like the whisper network at yourschool of like you're gonna
gain weight, or this is gonnamake your mood be all over the
place, or whatever.
Like, you have like that, andthat's like one level of
(19:11):
misinformation you're getting.
And again, not helpful, right?
If you're getting things thatare not true or that are scaring
you away from getting moreinformation or asking questions,
right?
But if you're like gettingbombarded on social media with
those narratives, like that'stotally different because like
all of a sudden with thealgorithms and stuff, you've
watched one video, well, thenyou're getting served even more
(19:34):
of it that just keeps feedingthat disinformation that is
gonna make it really hard foryou to find true information.
Monica (19:43):
For sure.
And I think something I lovethat we've done at Power to
Decide, like from the data fromthe Your Health Survey, like
realizing that a lot of youngpeople, like, despite what
people think, like, yes, youngpeople love influencers.
I also love influence, right?
I do think they have a crucialand important role in like
shifting culture and narrativesabout sexual and reproductive
(20:04):
health.
But like a lot of young people,we found do want information
from healthcare providers,right?
And so, like a lot of theamazing work we've done with
like Bedsider and creatingBedsider is making sure that
like young people do have atrusted healthcare provider
online that they can like askquestions or they can go on
Bedsider and just like searchabout articles about different
(20:25):
things, about different methods,or like what does it mean to
use birth control long-termversus short term and like that
type of thing.
And so I do think that's I lovethat that's an important
resource that we at Power toDecide have been able to create
and make sure that people can,you know, get not only the
trusted information they needed,but get it from the sources
that they want to get it from.
Jennie (20:44):
Yeah, it leads into one of the things I always talk
about on the podcast is (20:47):
you don't need to know all of the
things.
So, I don't need to knoweverything, but I need to be
able to, if people ask mequestions, be like, hey, have
you heard of Bedsider?
Like, if you go there, you canget trusted information.
Or "I need to find anabortion." Great.
Here's I Need An A, or anynumber of resources where you
(21:09):
can point people to ensure thatthey are getting good
information.
And that makes you a reallyvaluable resource in your
network, in your communities.
So, you don't need to be ableto answer all of the questions
of like, I'm thinking aboutwhatever, I've had this problem.
I don't need to know theanswers to that, but I need to
know that if I send them toBedsider, like they can find the
(21:30):
information they need fromtrusted sources, and that is a
really important role you canplay in your community.
Tara (21:35):
I think, you know, something that is helpful for
people to think about is tothink critically about where
they're getting theirinformation.
So, you know, when you seesomething that pops up online or
in your algorithm or on yourfor you page that makes you go,
huh, really?
Is that true?
(21:56):
Then, you know, there arecertain things that you can ask
yourself to evaluate the, youknow, the trustworthiness of
that information.
Is it from a credible medicalsource or provider?
Can you find other the sameinformation from other trusted
resources?
Or is this like the only placethat you're seeing it online?
(22:18):
When is the information thatyou're looking at published?
I mean, we know that sciencechanges over time, right?
Or what we know through sciencechanges over time.
So, if it's a paper from 40years ago, I don't know, odds
are I could things have ourunderstanding of something could
have changed.
Or we could have better, betterevidence or more evidence.
(22:39):
And also just thinking aboutwhether or not the person, the
video, the influencer, whetheror not their perspective seems
overly biased and oneperspective.
So, those are like a fewquestions that people can ask
themselves when they things dopop up for them, in addition to
going to Bedsider.
Jennie (22:56):
Okay, now that we've hit some of the attacks we're
seeing and missingdisinformation, another thing we
like to do is talk about thingsthe audience can do.
And y'all have a greatopportunity today.
So, what can the audience do?
Monica (23:13):
Well, today is Thanks Birth Control Day, and so they
can join us online forThanks Birth Control and shout
out, you know, what birthcontrol has made possible for
them.
I think a lot of times when wethink of like things are on
fire, because literally thingsare on fire, how do I show up in
(23:34):
this moment and and how can Ibe an advocate?
In what ways in my life can Imake changes to what's happening
around me?
And I think, and I know we justtalked a lot of stuff about
like how sometimes social mediaand influencers get it wrong,
but oftentimes they get itright.
And I do think a way that youknow people can take action is
through social media, is throughnarrative and culture shift.
(23:57):
Because I do think, you know,when we when we don't tell our
stories and when we stay silenton the ways in which we've been
impacted, whether that benegatively or positively,
things don't shift.
And so just why, you know,Thanks Birth Control, our
campaign and and campaigns likeit is crucial because it allows
people to not only talk aboutlike the ways in which birth
(24:17):
control has made things positivefor them, but also remind us of
like we still have a long wayto go.
You know, there's stillpolicies that are needed,
there's still more cultureshift, there's still stigma
around sexual health, period.
Like there's still more that wecan do.
So I do think just using youryour voice and telling your
story, and again, joining usonline for
Thanks Birth Control Day is onething that you can do.
(24:39):
And checking out our resources,like Bedsider, also Abortion
Finder, you know, are reallygood resources for just learning
about sexual and reproductivehealth broadly.
Tara (24:48):
Yeah, I totally agree with that, Monica.
This will be our 13th year,actually, of our Thanks Birth
Control Day campaign.
Jennie (24:56):
Wow.
Tara (24:56):
Yeah, which started off before I was with the
organization, but sort of seeingbacklash about birth control
online.
And it's still going um to thisday.
So, we use the hashtag#ThxBirthControl, encourage
people to share their stories inorder to create a movement to
(25:17):
normalize discussions aboutbirth control, also to say like
what it's made possible for you.
And yeah, like like Monicasaid, also, you know, just like
there is still stigma about it.
So the more people talk aboutit, can des stigmatize it, but
also people in over the yearshave shared about their
difficulty getting something,and you know, before having
(25:39):
insurance, a certain method orwhatnot, and how you know, being
insured or using certainprograms has helped them get the
method that is right for them.
And so, I think in this momentwhere we're seeing so many
attacks, it is one way that wecan show up and say this is
something that is helpful forme, our communities, and this is
(26:05):
what more we need in order toactualize contraceptive access
for all.
Jennie (26:11):
Yeah, this is one of those I feel like hits close to
home for me.
And actually, also with ourconversation today.
I'm sure many in our audienceare familiar.
I went to Catholic school, Kthrough eight, had had sex ed
from a nun.
As you can imagine, it wassuper effective and helpful and
not at all stigmatizing.
So had lots of that like birthcontrol doesn't work.
(26:33):
So again, disinformation spreadthrough my sex education,
heavier quotes that I got.
And so, you know, unlearningall that stigma and getting rid
of all that stigma to now, like,brook in a field where I can
very clearly shout, thanks,birth control, and talk about
abortion, like that is huge.
(26:53):
And it is so nice to see thisevery year because you know,
along with stigma comes thatdon't talk about it, like don't
don't share that you're on birthcontrol because like it's bad.
And so it is really great tosee this celebration every year.
And I have taken part in itsince day one, so it is just so
(27:16):
great to see it again everyyear.
Tara (27:18):
We always appreciate your participation, Jennie.
Monica (27:22):
For sure.
Because I mean it definitely isa campaign where you can like
shout, like, oh yeah, like I'vehad birth control since I've
wanted it and it's been great,but it is also a space for
people to be like, you know, Idid not get what I need for a
very long time, or or for somepeople, like I still haven't
gotten really what I needed.
And it's a way to really have aspace where people can be
honest about, you know, the thepositives and the shortcomings.
(27:44):
And I know people may also bejust like you know, thinking
about it in in this largermoment of like, how does why
does this matter in the largercontext of like everything
happening in the world?
Because it it all intersectsand then it's about being able
to achieve, you know, bodilyautonomy and the ability to make
decisions about your life, yourbody, your future, your family,
(28:05):
your community, right?
And it's a small part, but itis a very important part of
being able to, you know,actualize what it means to have
reproductive well-being, to havereproductive justice, to to
have a world in which everyonehas what they need to really
thrive.
And you know, we we need that.
That's why we say, "thanksbirth control," because it does
allow us in many ways to worktowards that future.
(28:27):
I won't say achieve it becausewe have a long way to go, but to
work towards that.
Jennie (28:31):
Okay, one funny Thanks, Birth Control story, for having
been involved in this for a longtime.
I don't know if you still havethem because I haven't been on
the site in a while.
Several years ago there werepet-like t-shirts that said,
"fur babies now, real babiesmaybe later." And I forced poor
Cinder and Luna to put it on andtake pictures.
(28:53):
And I think they took it andhid it somewhere safe so that
they I never can put it on themagain because I have no idea
where it is.
It has completely disappeared.
I am pretty sure they havetaken it because they did not
were not super psyched withwearing the t-shirt.
Tara (29:13):
That's hilarious.
I have an extra one if you wantit.
Um I also did make my dog do anobligatory picture with it.
I don't think he was, it wastoo big for him and he wasn't
quite happy.
The things they do for us.
Jennie (29:29):
Right.
They were definitely notamused.
Tara, Monica, thank you so muchfor being here today.
It was so much fun to talk toyou.
Monica (29:39):
Thanks for having us, Jennie.
Tara (29:40):
Yeah, it was great talking to you as well.
Jennie (29:42):
Okay, y'all.
I hope you enjoyed myconversation with Tara and
Monica.
And just a quick reminder: thanks, birth control day is (29:46):
undefined
November 12th.
It is not today when it comesout, it is tomorrow.
Sorry for the confusion.
We kept saying today and wemeant tomorrow.
So, with that, I hope you allwill take a minute on Wednesday
to tell us why you are thankfulfor your birth control with
(30:06):
hashtag #ThxBirthControl.
With that, I will see everybodynext week.
If you have any questions,comments, or topics you would
like us to cover, always feelfree to shoot me an email.
You can reach meat jennie@reprosfightback.com,
or you can find us on socialmedia.
We're at rePROs Fight Back onFacebook and Twitter, or
(30:28):
@reprosfb on Instagram.
I want to make sure more peoplefind to rate and review us on
your favorite podcast platform.
Or if you want to make sure tosupport the podcast, you can
also donate on our website atreprosfightback.com.
Thanks all!
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