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Hey, this is Pate.
And I'm Jme.
We are Motley Zoo Animal Rescue,and this is our podcast Rescue
Shit.
Today we're gonna talk about theimportance of dog training, not
necessarily which kind oftrainings you do, but that
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training is really, reallyimportant for any dog that there
are certain opportunities thatyou can, have your dog take
tests and, and getcertifications.
And this is one of the uniquethings about Motley Zoo is that
from day one, we wanted to havea program that could serve our
dogs even after they wereadopted.
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And that's when we came up withthe dog daycare and training
facility and, you know, mostrescues and shelters.
Once the dog is adopted, they'relike, hi, bye.
And.
You know, they might hear fromthem or you know, they can maybe
help problem solve, but wewanted to continue to see the
dogs that we adopted out andmake sure they were staying on
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the right path and be a resourcefor people because our job isn't
done when we adopted out theanimal.
So it's a unique thing that westarted and our program we
called Rockstar University.
Why don't you talk a little bitabout that, Pate.
Rockstar University isn't justfor our adopters, it's for all
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the dogs.
Because like Jme said, we wantto help ensure that dogs stay in
their homes.
Cuz then that will alleviateburden on the shelters, that'll
alleviate burden on otherrescues and us.
Right?
So if you can keep your dog, andthat's really rescuing the dog,
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like, you know.
Yeah.
It saves lives.
Yeah, exactly.
For the dogs who obviously needthe shelter, for other
extenuating circumstances, atleast your dog's not gonna be
part of that statistic.
And so we developed the RSU,especially during covid because
of all the Covid puppies.
Yes.
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And really we came back from,you know, three months of
shutdowns.
And no one wanted daycare.
Mm-hmm.
because they were working fromhome and, we'd always wanted to
start the training aspect.
Mm-hmm.
And we decided that, well, weneed to pivot because of those
COVID puppies.
Mm-hmm.
All the clients that were comingto us were people that had young
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puppies, that they had gottenover the shutdowns and they
needed help.
Right.
The puppies had lost out onthose crucial socialization
months, and a lot of covidpuppies that we were seeing were
behind on their socialization.
Well, and you can't run anentire room of puppies, like it
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just runs amuck.
So we were struggling to havedog groups that were not out of
control because the puppiesdidn't know how to play with
each other.
Mm-hmm.
And there are some points in thepuppies' development when it is
critical that they play witheach other and you teach them
how.
Mm-hmm.
But once they get older andbigger and they're past that, 17
week critical window, thenthey're just teaching each other
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bad habits.
Right.
And having puppies mixed in withadult dogs that already know the
ropes is really one of the bestways to teach, puppies how to
play properly.
Although we did find out some ofthese adult dogs that were good
in daycare after not being indaycare or being around people
and around other dogs, theyactually were set back and
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couldn't even be in daycareanymore.
So we had to adjust our gears toaccommodate for these, dogs who
could no longer be with otherdogs easily.
Mm-hmm.
well, and the program that weoffered was a day training
program, so it worked likedaycare where you drop your dog
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off before you go to work.
You pick them up on your wayhome, they're nice and tired.
They got trained and we sent theowners home with homework.
Mm-hmm.
And so they would know, what todo, what we had worked on that
day.
And this was very convenientbecause it took the burden of
the general responsibility oftraining off the shoulders of
these people, and it helpedaccelerate the learning and the
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training process for their dogs.
As well, we had smallerplaygroups so that we taught
these dogs how to playappropriately with other dogs.
And part of the RSU program thatwe had, one of the big things
that you could accomplish withyour dog was getting the Canine
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Good Citizen certification.
So people started having theirdogs come to RSU for two
purposes, either to be able topass the CGC again, the canine
good citizen, or to be able toplay in daycare dog groups
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again.
Yeah.
And so all of the grade levelsfrom preschool to high school,
built on the tasks that the dogneeds to know and be able to
pass to do these Canine GoodCitizen certification.
And the great thing about CGC isthat it's like a good dog medal
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and it can really open doors forpeople when it comes to renting.
People who have pit bulls,things like that.
So a lot of landlords areadjusting their policies to
allow dogs that do have a CGCcertificate because those dogs
had to work really hard(mm-hmm)to pass that test.
And if they pass that test, thenthey generally think, oh, well
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this is a dog I don't reallyhave to worry about.
So that's an important thingthat is kind of happening out
there in the world now.
Right.
And I've had CGC certified dogsand when we adopt out pit bull
puppies, and it's funny, and thereason why we're doing this,
podcast specifically on the CGCis because when I discuss it
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with dog owners, the adopters,many people aren't even aware of
what a CGC certification is.
So I have to discuss the CanineGood Citizen certification, how
you pass it.
Basically there's 10 steps inthe CGC that your dog should be
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able to perform, and we startout with the Pup Star.
It's AKC Star Puppy, basically.
Mm-hmm.
And that program is kind of likethe foundation work.
Yeah.
For dogs under six months.
Yeah.
Or under a year really, becauseyou can't have a dog pass CGC
under six months,(so it well) atall.
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No.
If anyone tries to pass yourdog, says that your dog has
passed a CGC under two years ofage, I highly doubt it.
Your dog has to be superexceptional.
I mean, seeing eye dogs don'tpass the CGC under two years of
age.
So I seriously doubt that yourdog that has not had the
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rigorous training that seeingeye dogs do has passed the CGC.
Your dog's not a genius.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, my dog's not a genius.
You know, and, and we are peoplewho actually train and
rehabilitate, and my dog willnot pass a CGC under two years
of age because they go throughdifferent puppy stages and their
personality is not totallydetermined, and formed until
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after two years of age.
So I would be very skeptical ofanyone who said that their dog
passes CGC under two years.
And what are some of the tasks?
The one that comes to mind firstis probably the very last,
highest caliber one, which isthat your dog has to sit quietly
for at least three minutes whenyou leave the room and not move.
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You know, and I have to say thatwith our dogs, that's the
hardest.
It's super hard.
I mean, your dog...
They're like, where'd you go?
Yeah, they, can be great ateverything and then they have to
sit there for three minutes justwaiting for you to come back and
not make a move.
That's really pretty hard sothat's why it's important that,
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if a landlord's gonna allow adog of a certain breed, like
that's a disciplined dog.
Yeah, it's very disciplined andit's very social.
Mm-hmm.
So it's confident enough thatyou're gonna come back for it,
and it's not gonna be anxious.
It's not gonna be out ofcontrol.
Mm-hmm.
And, there are 10 things thatyou have to pass for the CGC,
but a lot of people don't knowthat CGC even goes beyond that.
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Mm-hmm.
So once you pass the CGC withyour dog at two, there's other
things such as the AKC CommunityCanine, and the AKC Urban CGC
for those who want to get pastthat basic Good Citizen
certification.
So it's like a master's or adoctorate for your dog.
Right.
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And, and beyond that you've gotAKC Therapy Dog.
And then you got Trick Dog, FitDog...
Well, and we'd like to say thatit is the AKC, the American
Kennel Club that designed thistest, we are not fans of the AKC
at all.
I don't even wanna go into that,but we are fans of this
certification, these tests andencourage people to consider
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looking into them for theirpets.
And we actually have a fewtrainers who are tested and able
to do this training and do thecertification.
So we made sure that ourtraining progressed.
Mm-hmm.
And it led to a point.
There was something that youwould earn in the end(mm-hmm),
that your dog would get in theend that would help keep people
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motivated and wanting to traintheir dog.
Haku would be a great example ofthat.
She was a dog that we adoptedout that came to daycare.
That dog was smart as a whipand...
So smart.
She could do anything.
There's nothing she couldn't do.
And I don't know that herparents actually took her for
the CGC because they didn'treally need to, or care, I
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guess.
Mm-hmm.
In their, in their world.
But we used to call her thegolden child because she was so
good at everything and she was adog that could have easily
passed the test.
Right.
And again, your foundation isthe Star Pup.
And after that, the Canine GoodCitizen testing that they do is
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comprised of just 10 basicthings that you may not think
it's a lot, but it actually is(mm-hmm) because a lot of dogs
cannot pass this.
The first one is accepting afriendly stranger.
A lot of covid puppies, not somuch.
Yeah.
That one's difficult for...
Yeah, and then sitting politelyfor pets.
Again, from a stranger.
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Yeah.
I mean, your dog might be reallyfriendly, but are they gonna sit
and wait for someone to pet themor are they gonna be jumping all
over them?
Exactly.
And so that's like manners,right?
Mm-hmm.
A lot of this is manners...
and appearance and grooming.
You gotta be able to clip theirnails and things like that
and...
Brush them.
Brush'em, yeah.
And.
The other one is out for a walk-being able to walk on a loose
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lead without pulling lunging,being reactive...
Yeah, they have to ignore thingsthat would normally set them or
other dogs off.
Mm-hmm.
Because this is what it takes tobe kind of a bomb-proof dog in
society.
Right.
Walking through a crowd isanother one.
walking next to you through acrowd without them just being...
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Overwhelmed.
Yeah, exactly.
Because, I mean, think about it,they're hitting a lot of knees,
a lot of hips.
Well, and you'd be surprised howmany people don't realize that
that's a very stressfulenvironment for their dog.
And oftentimes will take a newdog that they don't know very
well into that kind ofenvironment.
And like even just going toinnocently, going to the
farmer's market, like for somedogs, that's something you have
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to work up to.
Mm-hmm.
You have to really help preparethem.
Right.
Another is sit and down on cueand stay in place.
And that's one of ourfoundations of training.
Mm-hmm.
The other, of course, is recallcoming when called.
This is what we talked about inour podcast for dog parks.
You better have top-notch recallis what you really need for dog
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park etiquette.
Well, and the other thing isthat, you know, once your dog
achieves this, it's not asthough they're done learning.
You should continue to upholdthis training and their
standards because you've workedreally hard for it.
Your dog's worked really hardfor it, and it doesn't mean they
can't be a dog.
But you will know that yourdog's not gonna get into trouble
if you take them somewhere andit feels good to have a really
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well behaved dog.
Right.
That people notice is reallywell behaved.
So it pays to just continueliving your lifestyle in a way
that upholds these skills.
Right.
And then the other things isreaction to another dog.
Of course, we don't wantreactive dogs, or have them know
how to respond or basicallyignore another dog or maybe
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another reactive dog...
Reaction to distraction.
There's a lot of distractions inthe world.
Squirrels! And then supervisedseparation, which is what Jme
had talked about.
Them not being so anxious whenyou leave the room.
Yeah.
When they're with anotherperson, they can be with another
person without freaking out whenyou're not there.
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Yeah.
They have to stay in place ifthey get up and move.
Right.
They fail.
Yeah.
And they can't whine, theycan't, you know, there's a lot
of things, but again, this isjust the first step of C G C.
If you want to continue more andhave an even better dog, there's
other programs, the urban, thecommunity.
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Mm-hmm.
The family.
Well, and the thing that we talkabout with training is, it's not
this thing that takes so muchtime that you have to set aside
all this time to do things.
I mean, yes, you have topractice things, but training is
really a lifestyle.
It's the way in which you dothings.
Do you just let your dog run outof the crate or do you make them
sit and wait before they comeout?
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Do you just throw the food downor do you make them sit and wait
before you put it down?
That impulse control, just sitand wait.
It goes so far and it, itdoesn't take long to initially
teach them.
I mean, we can teach a dog notto grab at their food bowl when
we're putting it down probablyin about five minutes.
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Most dogs can learn that, and aslong as you keep it up, every
time you feed them, they getbetter and better and better.
And it doesn't take longer.
It's just a certain way to dothings.
Right.
And that's what we stress isthat it's like having good
habits, like going to the gym.
Mm-hmm.
Or, eating salads or not goingout to eat fast food.
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It's a lifestyle of habits andit's helpful for your dog to
have that kind of consistency,to have that kind of reliability
and they will be a happier dogbecause they know exactly what's
coming next, what to predict.
And again, it's not all thistime you have to set aside.
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Right.
It's no different than havingyour child at a restaurant and
having them sit and eatproperly.
Mm-hmm.
I mean of course there arepeople out there where I'm like,
seriously, get your kid undercontrol cuz they're jumping on
the seats they're looking overat other people in the booth...
Running up and down the...
Oh my god.
Yeah.
I'm like ready to like throwsome peas at'em or something.
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Screaming.
Why do kids have to shriek somuch?
It's just an excitement.
The shrieking.
Oh my gosh.
Oh yeah.
I've been there, done that.
The kids are crazy.
And they do, they do shriek.
Yes.
And dogs don't always like kidsbecause kids are shrieky.
Well, even just the short...
That energy level.
Yeah.
Even just the short time, likewhat, two weeks that that
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daycare was open next to our dogdaycare, the shrieking from the
from the parking lot from theirplay area.
Like, I was like, holy crap, Icouldn't tolerate this for very
long at all.
Mm-hmm.
I like kids, but man, noshrieking.
Yeah.
That's your outside voice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dogs have an outside voice too.
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Mm-hmm.
But again, I mean, it's about,boundaries.
Dogs have to be able to navigatethe human world and the CGC
program is a good basis forthat.
Yeah.
It's a great standard and it'ssomething to aspire to(mm-hmm)
so that you feel like there's areal point to what you're doing.
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I mean, cuz some people getfrustrated or they take one
class and they're like, well,I'm done with training.
Your kid's not done learningbecause they pass kindergarten.
Or even when they graduate highschool, they're not done
learning.
Yeah.
So why do people think thattheir dog took one obedience
class.
(yeah) and then they don't needto go again.
Yeah.
Your kid is not Doogie Houser,all right.
They are not all of a sudden achild doctor.
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They go through years and yearsand years and years and years of
school.
Yeah.
Just like, I mean, I'm sureBeethoven...
Wait, was Beethoven like aprotege?
Yeah.
I mean, was he crazy town?
But he was six?
No.
Wait, okay.
Yeah.
You know what?
He's not a good example.
Throw him away.
Because I was gonna say, didn'the compose something when he was
two?
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I don't know.
He was like five or something.
Okay, fine.
That's not normal.
No.
And a dog is not going to beBeethoven.
After, oh yeah, we took him fora puppy class and I just don't
understand why he's being thisway.
He's just so rude.
Right, and they're allowing thedog to jump.
They're doing all the wrongthings.
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While they're telling you this,that the dog has a problem, and
we're like, no, it's you.
Yeah.
Well, and I think somethingreally important that not enough
people consider is that trainingis not something you do because
you have to, because you have tofix a problem or a bad habit
that's developed.
It should be something youalways do.
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Every dog owner should pursue itto prevent problems from
starting.
Mm-hmm.
It is so much easier to preventa problem than to let a bad
habit start and try and fix it.
I mean, it's the same withpeople.
Just start out on a good footand don't let the bad things in
and your dog is gonna be thatmuch better off, so(right) I
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wish that people thought abouttraining as a preventative
requirement, like having alicense to drive a car.
They should have training for adog.
A lot of times people ask, whencan I start training my puppy?
Uh, now, so...
They're, you're training themevery minute you're with them,
whether or not you realize itand good or bad, they're
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learning something.
Mm-hmm.
It is never too early.
It is too early to expect thatthey're gonna be housebroken in
a certain amount of time.
It is too early to expect that asix week puppy is gonna be
reliable with a sit or a down.
That's not gonna happen.
Like you have to adjust yourexpectations.
Mm-hmm.
But every interaction you havewith your dog is an opportunity
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to train or to let them have abad habit develop.
Right.
And you can start trainingpuppies at six weeks old.
We actually have a video of, Ithink the youngest that we got
to sit to train to sit was likefive weeks.
Barely toddling.
Super cute.
Anyway, That's not gonna beeverybody that was Beethoven.
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No.
Anyway.
But yeah, you want to startright away.
You want to start setting upthose boundaries.
You may not be able to starttaking classes(mm-hmm) per se,
but you can start with thebasics.
The basics, what motivatespuppies, right?
the most common things thatmotivate puppies, prey drive
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that, you know, that desire tochase.
And food drive.
They're starving.
Mm-hmm.
All the time.
Well, hopefully, unless they'rehuskies, then that's just a
whole different ball game rightthere.
But then with Huskies, you canuse their prey drive, right?
So those are the two motivatorsfor training with puppies.
You can actually use theirkibble instead of giving them
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breakfast.
You can use a kibble firstbefore giving'em breakfast and a
full stomach so that there ismotivation for them to sit, to
come, et cetera.
We do a lot of lure training.
Yeah, and you know, once youstart using these drives to your
advantage, your dog is able tocontrol those impulses better,
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and that is the key to helpingyour dog establish good habits,
good boundaries.
You're, you're teaching them howto control those natural
instincts and impulses.
Right.
And finding trying to find thatpuppy's motivation will help you
with your skills, especiallywhen they get older and you're
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starting to incorporatedistractions.
So when they're at home beforethey get all of their
vaccinations and you go to apuppy class, then you're
building up your bank in away...
Of trust.
With your, of Yeah.
With your puppy.
Well, and so most puppies canstart class at eight or nine
weeks when they've had at leastone...
The core.
Yeah.
One round of vaccines.
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Some might have you wait later,but we would accept dogs as
early as nine weeks becausethat's the earliest they could
get Bordetella.
Right.
And so, we had very, very youngpuppies in our daycare, but we
also tested everybody regularly.
Mm-hmm.
And we were very, very strict onour health policies and our
cleaning procedures.
Right.
I actually, watched a webinarand it was a study that they had
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done at a college and it wasabout attachments and secure or
insecure attachments with peopleand dogs.
And the goal is a secureattachment and a dog that has
even one secure attachment intheir life will be more
successful and more likely tobuild other secure attachments.
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But that, that is done throughbeing authoritative, not
authoritarian.
Mm-hmm.
So people often mistake beingauthoritative, having rules,
having boundaries, havingguidelines with authoritarian,
which is dominating ruling byfear.
That is not going to do it.
But what made the mostimpression and kept the dogs
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from getting the most stressedout were the secure attachments
with people who were more like aparent to them.
You know, tough love than theones that were their friends.
And even sometimes the with theinsecure attachments with dog
parents that acted more liketheir friends or peers, them
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coming back in the room didn'talleviate their stress.
Mm-hmm.
Because their attachment withthat person was very insecure.
They were not trusting thatperson to be the leader, to be
the guide, to be their...
To keep them safe.
Yes.
So even their owner coming backdidn't make them feel better.
They were still anxious.
They also showed thatintroducing another dog does not
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replace that secure attachmentwith a person.
It can help in some ways, butsaying I need to get two dogs to
keep each other company, thatdoesn't necessarily alleviate
the stress that you think itdoes when you leave the house.
And this is, kind of like aseparation anxiety.
Mm-hmm.
But I was so pleased to hearthat, that authoritative,
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constructive boundaries andbeing able to say no and you
know, those kinds of things,like that's what's best for
them.
And what we've always said, Imean, without scientific proof,
was that people often say, well,my foster dog, if they grow to
love me, won't they miss me andnot be able to make an
attachment with somebody else?
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And we actually say, no.
What you're doing is you'reopening the door to their heart
(mm-hmm) and you're teachingthem how to love and how to
trust so that they are morelikely to do that again.
To transfer that to anotherperson.
Yes.
Because they know that you are agood person.
They can trust you and you'veintroduced them to other people
and they can learn to trustthose people as well.
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Yeah.
So this is scientific proof(yeah) that what we've been
saying and you know, we justknow it to be true...
Right.
But that's what works.
And so even if you aren't gonnaget super serious with your dog
training and maybe you're notgonna pursue the CGC, it is
still going to benefit your dogthe most to be strong, tough
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love, you know, have boundariesand don't be a pushover parent.
Right.
Although you really shouldstrive for the CGC.
That's all I gotta say.
Especially, I mean, and I hateto say this, but especially for
pit bulls.
I mean, pit bulls get such a badrap, you know, it's all about a
pit bull did this, a pit bulldid that, and...
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When we adopt out pit bulls, wetell them like it's not okay
just to be a good pit bull, youhave to be the best dog on the
playground.
You have to be an ambassador.
Yeah, your dog...
Ambassador.
Your dog has to be a gold starexample of pit bulls.
Otherwise, you are justreinforcing stereotypes and
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things that people want, theysee what they wanna see.
And the last thing anyone needsto see is a pit bull behaving
badly.
Right.
I mean, other dogs can behavebadly, other dogs can send
people to the hospital and theyare not gonna get the media
attention, they're not gonna getthe hate.
No.
The way a pit bull does.
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If a golden retriever attacked apit bull viciously at the dog
park, everyone would say it wasthe pit bull's fault, even if
they watched it.
Mm-hmm.
They would say it was the pitbull and...
Because it couldn't be a golden.
No, this is, and this is a fact.
Like people will twist whathappens.
Right.
Yeah.
And they will think, well, thepit bull did something to
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instigate the golden.
Right?
Well, every dog has teeth andpit bulls aren't the only dogs
that bite kill or mame.
Right.
But did you know that a pitbull's jaws lock?
Yeah.
Right.
That's a good one.
I know.
It's a myth, people.
Thank you, Matthew.
Yes.
He thinks so too.
Yeah.
Matthew's like that's bogus shitright there.
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So one of the things that Ialways say to people, when we
talk about training is there isnever a problem that a dog has
that doesn't start with...
At home.
Well, no, no.
The solution doesn't start withputting the leash on.
I will have people be like,well, my dog does this.
And I'm like, okay, put theleash on then blah, blah, blah,
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blah, blah.
And they're like, well, they dothis.
And I'm like, okay, put theleash on them, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah.
And every time it's the leash.
And then they just, they don'twant that to be the solution.
They want some magic thing.
And I'm like, it's a$5 tool.
It will prevent a world ofproblems and it will solve your
problems.
Like use it.
Right.
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Yeah.
A leash can help with so manythings and help with bad habits
from forming.
And it's not like you have tohave this dog on a leash 24 7
for the its entire life.
It's just at the beginning todevelop those basic foundations
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before they start developing badhabits.
Because if you have a puppy withyou on a leash, that puppy
cannot get up, go to anotherroom and take a huge dump
because that puppy is with you.
And then you see that puppy,circling or like hunching and
then you're like, oh God, okay,you're about to take a dump.
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Let's run outside.
Go to our potty spot, say gopotty.
They potty.
You throw party.
Look, you just started pottytraining the dog.
Well, and when you do thatsudden, no, no, no, no and you,
and you have to chase them downor reach for them, that's when a
dog is gonna turn around andbite you because they're scared
shitless that you're trying tochase them.
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Whereas if you have a leash, youjust turn and go and there's no
drama, there's no fear.
Right.
So a lot of bites actuallyhappen when people are trying to
grab their dog.
Mm-hmm.
Because to prevent them fromhaving a potty accident.
Or Yeah, I mean, just grabbing adog(mm-hmm) in general, with the
puppies, it's, it's the leash.
You're very calm, let's gooutside cuz you're on a leash
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instead of, you know, walkinginto another room and stepping
in poop.
And again, that's because a badhabit developed cause you didn't
have eyes on the puppy.
Right.
But it's also, the leash is alsovery great when it comes to new
dogs that don't know you, youhaven't built up that trust
bank.
So instead of being this loominggiant over Jack with his little
(28:54):
harp that you're running awayfrom, because I mean the dog is
Jack, you were that scary assgiant.
And you don't wanna be the scaryass giant.
You want to be the guy with thebeans that Jack wants to give
you the, okay.
That's a really bad anecdote.
It's funny, I love, I love yourstories sometimes I'm like,
(29:14):
okay, let's just see where thisgoes.
Keep the dog with you, on theleash.
And then the leash is just anextension of you in a sense,
what I call umbilical training.
Because you know what?
You never stop training.
Right?
Well, you're pumping trust intothem through the leash.
And when Pate talks about thebank of trust, it it is, it's
like the relationship you haveis like a bank account.
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And every time you're doingthings right, you're building
trust.
You know, you're enjoyingcuddling, like you're adding to
the bank account.
Every once in a while you'regonna screw up.
Like maybe you're gonna scarethe dog, maybe you're gonna
accidentally kick the dog in thehead when you're running...
Tripping.
Stairs or something.
You know, something like thatwhere you're like, oh my gosh,
like, I'm so sorry.
Right.
(29:57):
And that when you have builtthat trust up, then you know
you're taking...
A small withdrawal, right?
So you're building up inpennies, but when you make
mistakes, you're taking out indollars.
So you need to build up thosepennies to make sure that you
have that trust with that dog.
And some people will argue thatthe umbilical technique is
(30:19):
flooding a dog.
But the same person that saidthat, had a dog that they'd had
for six months and stillcouldn't touch it.
And when we told them, geez, putthe leash on it and tie it to
your belt loop, they were like,oh no, that's flooding.
And I was like, you've had thisdog for six months and you can't
touch it.
Like Yeah.
What are you doing?
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Right?
Like at some point you need totry something else.
Mm-hmm.
And so it's, it's not floodingwhen you are showing them and
helping them get over irrationalfear that you were gonna be
horrible to them.
Mm-hmm.
Then they are getting over it.
They're learning to cope withthe stress of being near you.
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They're learning to cope withthe changes.
They're learning to cope withyour movements, with things
going on in the house.
And then they start to realizelike, what was I even scared of?
I don't even know why I wasscared.
This is great.
That's all the time that we havefor today.
We'll be back, obviously.
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I'm Pate.
Next Thursday.
Right?
Exactly.
Every Thursday.
Yeah.
Whether you want us to or not.
Mm-hmm.
You can count on us.
This is Pate.
I'm Jme.
And we are Motley Zoo AnimalRescue.
This is our podcast.
Rescue Shit.
Rock On.
Rescue On.
Hey, this is Pate.
And I'm Jme.
We are Motley Zoo Animal Rescue,and this is our podcast Rescue
Shit.
Today we're gonna talk about theimportance of dog training, not
necessarily which kind oftrainings you do, but that
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training is really, reallyimportant for any dog that there
are certain opportunities thatyou can, have your dog take
tests and, and getcertifications.
And this is one of the uniquethings about Motley Zoo is that
from day one, we wanted to havea program that could serve our
dogs even after they wereadopted.
(00:42):
And that's when we came up withthe dog daycare and training
facility and, you know, mostrescues and shelters.
Once the dog is adopted, they'relike, hi, bye.
And.
You know, they might hear fromthem or you know, they can maybe
help problem solve, but wewanted to continue to see the
dogs that we adopted out andmake sure they were staying on
(01:03):
the right path and be a resourcefor people because our job isn't
done when we adopted out theanimal.
So it's a unique thing that westarted and our program we
called Rockstar University.
Why don't you talk a little bitabout that, Pate.
Rockstar University isn't justfor our adopters, it's for all
(01:23):
the dogs.
Because like Jme said, we wantto help ensure that dogs stay in
their homes.
Cuz then that will alleviateburden on the shelters, that'll
alleviate burden on otherrescues and us.
Right?
So if you can keep your dog, andthat's really rescuing the dog,
(01:44):
like, you know.
Yeah.
It saves lives.
Yeah, exactly.
For the dogs who obviously needthe shelter, for other
extenuating circumstances, atleast your dog's not gonna be
part of that statistic.
And so we developed the RSU,especially during covid because
of all the Covid puppies.
Yes.
(02:04):
And really we came back from,you know, three months of
shutdowns.
And no one wanted daycare.
Mm-hmm.
because they were working fromhome and, we'd always wanted to
start the training aspect.
Mm-hmm.
And we decided that, well, weneed to pivot because of those
COVID puppies.
Mm-hmm.
All the clients that were comingto us were people that had young
(02:26):
puppies, that they had gottenover the shutdowns and they
needed help.
Right.
The puppies had lost out onthose crucial socialization
months, and a lot of covidpuppies that we were seeing were
behind on their socialization.
Well, and you can't run anentire room of puppies, like it
(02:49):
just runs amuck.
So we were struggling to havedog groups that were not out of
control because the puppiesdidn't know how to play with
each other.
Mm-hmm.
And there are some points in thepuppies' development when it is
critical that they play witheach other and you teach them
how.
Mm-hmm.
But once they get older andbigger and they're past that, 17
week critical window, thenthey're just teaching each other
(03:12):
bad habits.
Right.
And having puppies mixed in withadult dogs that already know the
ropes is really one of the bestways to teach, puppies how to
play properly.
Although we did find out some ofthese adult dogs that were good
in daycare after not being indaycare or being around people
and around other dogs, theyactually were set back and
(03:35):
couldn't even be in daycareanymore.
So we had to adjust our gears toaccommodate for these, dogs who
could no longer be with otherdogs easily.
Mm-hmm.
well, and the program that weoffered was a day training
program, so it worked likedaycare where you drop your dog
(03:56):
off before you go to work.
You pick them up on your wayhome, they're nice and tired.
They got trained and we sent theowners home with homework.
Mm-hmm.
And so they would know, what todo, what we had worked on that
day.
And this was very convenientbecause it took the burden of
the general responsibility oftraining off the shoulders of
these people, and it helpedaccelerate the learning and the
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training process for their dogs.
As well, we had smallerplaygroups so that we taught
these dogs how to playappropriately with other dogs.
And part of the RSU program thatwe had, one of the big things
that you could accomplish withyour dog was getting the Canine
(04:40):
Good Citizen certification.
So people started having theirdogs come to RSU for two
purposes, either to be able topass the CGC again, the canine
good citizen, or to be able toplay in daycare dog groups
(05:00):
again.
Yeah.
And so all of the grade levelsfrom preschool to high school,
built on the tasks that the dogneeds to know and be able to
pass to do these Canine GoodCitizen certification.
And the great thing about CGC isthat it's like a good dog medal
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and it can really open doors forpeople when it comes to renting.
People who have pit bulls,things like that.
So a lot of landlords areadjusting their policies to
allow dogs that do have a CGCcertificate because those dogs
had to work really hard(mm-hmm)to pass that test.
And if they pass that test, thenthey generally think, oh, well
(05:41):
this is a dog I don't reallyhave to worry about.
So that's an important thingthat is kind of happening out
there in the world now.
Right.
And I've had CGC certified dogsand when we adopt out pit bull
puppies, and it's funny, and thereason why we're doing this,
podcast specifically on the CGCis because when I discuss it
(06:02):
with dog owners, the adopters,many people aren't even aware of
what a CGC certification is.
So I have to discuss the CanineGood Citizen certification, how
you pass it.
Basically there's 10 steps inthe CGC that your dog should be
(06:24):
able to perform, and we startout with the Pup Star.
It's AKC Star Puppy, basically.
Mm-hmm.
And that program is kind of likethe foundation work.
Yeah.
For dogs under six months.
Yeah.
Or under a year really, becauseyou can't have a dog pass CGC
under six months,(so it well) atall.
(06:47):
No.
If anyone tries to pass yourdog, says that your dog has
passed a CGC under two years ofage, I highly doubt it.
Your dog has to be superexceptional.
I mean, seeing eye dogs don'tpass the CGC under two years of
age.
So I seriously doubt that yourdog that has not had the
(07:08):
rigorous training that seeingeye dogs do has passed the CGC.
Your dog's not a genius.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, my dog's not a genius.
You know, and, and we are peoplewho actually train and
rehabilitate, and my dog willnot pass a CGC under two years
of age because they go throughdifferent puppy stages and their
personality is not totallydetermined, and formed until
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after two years of age.
So I would be very skeptical ofanyone who said that their dog
passes CGC under two years.
And what are some of the tasks?
The one that comes to mind firstis probably the very last,
highest caliber one, which isthat your dog has to sit quietly
for at least three minutes whenyou leave the room and not move.
(07:53):
You know, and I have to say thatwith our dogs, that's the
hardest.
It's super hard.
I mean, your dog...
They're like, where'd you go?
Yeah, they, can be great ateverything and then they have to
sit there for three minutes justwaiting for you to come back and
not make a move.
That's really pretty hard sothat's why it's important that,
(08:13):
if a landlord's gonna allow adog of a certain breed, like
that's a disciplined dog.
Yeah, it's very disciplined andit's very social.
Mm-hmm.
So it's confident enough thatyou're gonna come back for it,
and it's not gonna be anxious.
It's not gonna be out ofcontrol.
Mm-hmm.
And, there are 10 things thatyou have to pass for the CGC,
but a lot of people don't knowthat CGC even goes beyond that.
(08:36):
Mm-hmm.
So once you pass the CGC withyour dog at two, there's other
things such as the AKC CommunityCanine, and the AKC Urban CGC
for those who want to get pastthat basic Good Citizen
certification.
So it's like a master's or adoctorate for your dog.
Right.
(08:56):
And, and beyond that you've gotAKC Therapy Dog.
And then you got Trick Dog, FitDog...
Well, and we'd like to say thatit is the AKC, the American
Kennel Club that designed thistest, we are not fans of the AKC
at all.
I don't even wanna go into that,but we are fans of this
certification, these tests andencourage people to consider
(09:19):
looking into them for theirpets.
And we actually have a fewtrainers who are tested and able
to do this training and do thecertification.
So we made sure that ourtraining progressed.
Mm-hmm.
And it led to a point.
There was something that youwould earn in the end(mm-hmm),
that your dog would get in theend that would help keep people
(09:42):
motivated and wanting to traintheir dog.
Haku would be a great example ofthat.
She was a dog that we adoptedout that came to daycare.
That dog was smart as a whipand...
So smart.
She could do anything.
There's nothing she couldn't do.
And I don't know that herparents actually took her for
the CGC because they didn'treally need to, or care, I
(10:03):
guess.
Mm-hmm.
In their, in their world.
But we used to call her thegolden child because she was so
good at everything and she was adog that could have easily
passed the test.
Right.
And again, your foundation isthe Star Pup.
And after that, the Canine GoodCitizen testing that they do is
(10:24):
comprised of just 10 basicthings that you may not think
it's a lot, but it actually is(mm-hmm) because a lot of dogs
cannot pass this.
The first one is accepting afriendly stranger.
A lot of covid puppies, not somuch.
Yeah.
That one's difficult for...
Yeah, and then sitting politelyfor pets.
Again, from a stranger.
(10:45):
Yeah.
I mean, your dog might be reallyfriendly, but are they gonna sit
and wait for someone to pet themor are they gonna be jumping all
over them?
Exactly.
And so that's like manners,right?
Mm-hmm.
A lot of this is manners...
and appearance and grooming.
You gotta be able to clip theirnails and things like that
and...
Brush them.
Brush'em, yeah.
And.
The other one is out for a walk-being able to walk on a loose
(11:08):
lead without pulling lunging,being reactive...
Yeah, they have to ignore thingsthat would normally set them or
other dogs off.
Mm-hmm.
Because this is what it takes tobe kind of a bomb-proof dog in
society.
Right.
Walking through a crowd isanother one.
walking next to you through acrowd without them just being...
(11:29):
Overwhelmed.
Yeah, exactly.
Because, I mean, think about it,they're hitting a lot of knees,
a lot of hips.
Well, and you'd be surprised howmany people don't realize that
that's a very stressfulenvironment for their dog.
And oftentimes will take a newdog that they don't know very
well into that kind ofenvironment.
And like even just going toinnocently, going to the
farmer's market, like for somedogs, that's something you have
(11:50):
to work up to.
Mm-hmm.
You have to really help preparethem.
Right.
Another is sit and down on cueand stay in place.
And that's one of ourfoundations of training.
Mm-hmm.
The other, of course, is recallcoming when called.
This is what we talked about inour podcast for dog parks.
You better have top-notch recallis what you really need for dog
(12:13):
park etiquette.
Well, and the other thing isthat, you know, once your dog
achieves this, it's not asthough they're done learning.
You should continue to upholdthis training and their
standards because you've workedreally hard for it.
Your dog's worked really hardfor it, and it doesn't mean they
can't be a dog.
But you will know that yourdog's not gonna get into trouble
if you take them somewhere andit feels good to have a really
(12:36):
well behaved dog.
Right.
That people notice is reallywell behaved.
So it pays to just continueliving your lifestyle in a way
that upholds these skills.
Right.
And then the other things isreaction to another dog.
Of course, we don't wantreactive dogs, or have them know
how to respond or basicallyignore another dog or maybe
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another reactive dog...
Reaction to distraction.
There's a lot of distractions inthe world.
Squirrels! And then supervisedseparation, which is what Jme
had talked about.
Them not being so anxious whenyou leave the room.
Yeah.
When they're with anotherperson, they can be with another
person without freaking out whenyou're not there.
(13:19):
Yeah.
They have to stay in place ifthey get up and move.
Right.
They fail.
Yeah.
And they can't whine, theycan't, you know, there's a lot
of things, but again, this isjust the first step of C G C.
If you want to continue more andhave an even better dog, there's
other programs, the urban, thecommunity.
(13:40):
Mm-hmm.
The family.
Well, and the thing that we talkabout with training is, it's not
this thing that takes so muchtime that you have to set aside
all this time to do things.
I mean, yes, you have topractice things, but training is
really a lifestyle.
It's the way in which you dothings.
Do you just let your dog run outof the crate or do you make them
sit and wait before they comeout?
(14:02):
Do you just throw the food downor do you make them sit and wait
before you put it down?
That impulse control, just sitand wait.
It goes so far and it, itdoesn't take long to initially
teach them.
I mean, we can teach a dog notto grab at their food bowl when
we're putting it down probablyin about five minutes.
(14:22):
Most dogs can learn that, and aslong as you keep it up, every
time you feed them, they getbetter and better and better.
And it doesn't take longer.
It's just a certain way to dothings.
Right.
And that's what we stress isthat it's like having good
habits, like going to the gym.
Mm-hmm.
Or, eating salads or not goingout to eat fast food.
(14:42):
It's a lifestyle of habits andit's helpful for your dog to
have that kind of consistency,to have that kind of reliability
and they will be a happier dogbecause they know exactly what's
coming next, what to predict.
And again, it's not all thistime you have to set aside.
(15:03):
Right.
It's no different than havingyour child at a restaurant and
having them sit and eatproperly.
Mm-hmm.
I mean of course there arepeople out there where I'm like,
seriously, get your kid undercontrol cuz they're jumping on
the seats they're looking overat other people in the booth...
Running up and down the...
Oh my god.
Yeah.
I'm like ready to like throwsome peas at'em or something.
(15:24):
Screaming.
Why do kids have to shriek somuch?
It's just an excitement.
The shrieking.
Oh my gosh.
Oh yeah.
I've been there, done that.
The kids are crazy.
And they do, they do shriek.
Yes.
And dogs don't always like kidsbecause kids are shrieky.
Well, even just the short...
That energy level.
Yeah.
Even just the short time, likewhat, two weeks that that
(15:46):
daycare was open next to our dogdaycare, the shrieking from the
from the parking lot from theirplay area.
Like, I was like, holy crap, Icouldn't tolerate this for very
long at all.
Mm-hmm.
I like kids, but man, noshrieking.
Yeah.
That's your outside voice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dogs have an outside voice too.
(16:06):
Mm-hmm.
But again, I mean, it's about,boundaries.
Dogs have to be able to navigatethe human world and the CGC
program is a good basis forthat.
Yeah.
It's a great standard and it'ssomething to aspire to(mm-hmm)
so that you feel like there's areal point to what you're doing.
(16:27):
I mean, cuz some people getfrustrated or they take one
class and they're like, well,I'm done with training.
Your kid's not done learningbecause they pass kindergarten.
Or even when they graduate highschool, they're not done
learning.
Yeah.
So why do people think thattheir dog took one obedience
class.
(yeah) and then they don't needto go again.
Yeah.
Your kid is not Doogie Houser,all right.
They are not all of a sudden achild doctor.
(16:50):
They go through years and yearsand years and years and years of
school.
Yeah.
Just like, I mean, I'm sureBeethoven...
Wait, was Beethoven like aprotege?
Yeah.
I mean, was he crazy town?
But he was six?
No.
Wait, okay.
Yeah.
You know what?
He's not a good example.
Throw him away.
Because I was gonna say, didn'the compose something when he was
two?
(17:11):
I don't know.
He was like five or something.
Okay, fine.
That's not normal.
No.
And a dog is not going to beBeethoven.
After, oh yeah, we took him fora puppy class and I just don't
understand why he's being thisway.
He's just so rude.
Right, and they're allowing thedog to jump.
They're doing all the wrongthings.
(17:33):
While they're telling you this,that the dog has a problem, and
we're like, no, it's you.
Yeah.
Well, and I think somethingreally important that not enough
people consider is that trainingis not something you do because
you have to, because you have tofix a problem or a bad habit
that's developed.
It should be something youalways do.
(17:53):
Every dog owner should pursue itto prevent problems from
starting.
Mm-hmm.
It is so much easier to preventa problem than to let a bad
habit start and try and fix it.
I mean, it's the same withpeople.
Just start out on a good footand don't let the bad things in
and your dog is gonna be thatmuch better off, so(right) I
(18:14):
wish that people thought abouttraining as a preventative
requirement, like having alicense to drive a car.
They should have training for adog.
A lot of times people ask, whencan I start training my puppy?
Uh, now, so...
They're, you're training themevery minute you're with them,
whether or not you realize itand good or bad, they're
(18:37):
learning something.
Mm-hmm.
It is never too early.
It is too early to expect thatthey're gonna be housebroken in
a certain amount of time.
It is too early to expect that asix week puppy is gonna be
reliable with a sit or a down.
That's not gonna happen.
Like you have to adjust yourexpectations.
Mm-hmm.
But every interaction you havewith your dog is an opportunity
(18:58):
to train or to let them have abad habit develop.
Right.
And you can start trainingpuppies at six weeks old.
We actually have a video of, Ithink the youngest that we got
to sit to train to sit was likefive weeks.
Barely toddling.
Super cute.
Anyway, That's not gonna beeverybody that was Beethoven.
(19:20):
No.
Anyway.
But yeah, you want to startright away.
You want to start setting upthose boundaries.
You may not be able to starttaking classes(mm-hmm) per se,
but you can start with thebasics.
The basics, what motivatespuppies, right?
the most common things thatmotivate puppies, prey drive
(19:40):
that, you know, that desire tochase.
And food drive.
They're starving.
Mm-hmm.
All the time.
Well, hopefully, unless they'rehuskies, then that's just a
whole different ball game rightthere.
But then with Huskies, you canuse their prey drive, right?
So those are the two motivatorsfor training with puppies.
You can actually use theirkibble instead of giving them
(20:03):
breakfast.
You can use a kibble firstbefore giving'em breakfast and a
full stomach so that there ismotivation for them to sit, to
come, et cetera.
We do a lot of lure training.
Yeah, and you know, once youstart using these drives to your
advantage, your dog is able tocontrol those impulses better,
(20:26):
and that is the key to helpingyour dog establish good habits,
good boundaries.
You're, you're teaching them howto control those natural
instincts and impulses.
Right.
And finding trying to find thatpuppy's motivation will help you
with your skills, especiallywhen they get older and you're
(20:48):
starting to incorporatedistractions.
So when they're at home beforethey get all of their
vaccinations and you go to apuppy class, then you're
building up your bank in away...
Of trust.
With your, of Yeah.
With your puppy.
Well, and so most puppies canstart class at eight or nine
weeks when they've had at leastone...
The core.
Yeah.
One round of vaccines.
(21:09):
Some might have you wait later,but we would accept dogs as
early as nine weeks becausethat's the earliest they could
get Bordetella.
Right.
And so, we had very, very youngpuppies in our daycare, but we
also tested everybody regularly.
Mm-hmm.
And we were very, very strict onour health policies and our
cleaning procedures.
Right.
I actually, watched a webinarand it was a study that they had
(21:33):
done at a college and it wasabout attachments and secure or
insecure attachments with peopleand dogs.
And the goal is a secureattachment and a dog that has
even one secure attachment intheir life will be more
successful and more likely tobuild other secure attachments.
(21:55):
But that, that is done throughbeing authoritative, not
authoritarian.
Mm-hmm.
So people often mistake beingauthoritative, having rules,
having boundaries, havingguidelines with authoritarian,
which is dominating ruling byfear.
That is not going to do it.
But what made the mostimpression and kept the dogs
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from getting the most stressedout were the secure attachments
with people who were more like aparent to them.
You know, tough love than theones that were their friends.
And even sometimes the with theinsecure attachments with dog
parents that acted more liketheir friends or peers, them
(22:39):
coming back in the room didn'talleviate their stress.
Mm-hmm.
Because their attachment withthat person was very insecure.
They were not trusting thatperson to be the leader, to be
the guide, to be their...
To keep them safe.
Yes.
So even their owner coming backdidn't make them feel better.
They were still anxious.
They also showed thatintroducing another dog does not
(22:59):
replace that secure attachmentwith a person.
It can help in some ways, butsaying I need to get two dogs to
keep each other company, thatdoesn't necessarily alleviate
the stress that you think itdoes when you leave the house.
And this is, kind of like aseparation anxiety.
Mm-hmm.
But I was so pleased to hearthat, that authoritative,
(23:22):
constructive boundaries andbeing able to say no and you
know, those kinds of things,like that's what's best for
them.
And what we've always said, Imean, without scientific proof,
was that people often say, well,my foster dog, if they grow to
love me, won't they miss me andnot be able to make an
attachment with somebody else?
(23:44):
And we actually say, no.
What you're doing is you'reopening the door to their heart
(mm-hmm) and you're teachingthem how to love and how to
trust so that they are morelikely to do that again.
To transfer that to anotherperson.
Yes.
Because they know that you are agood person.
They can trust you and you'veintroduced them to other people
and they can learn to trustthose people as well.
(24:07):
Yeah.
So this is scientific proof(yeah) that what we've been
saying and you know, we justknow it to be true...
Right.
But that's what works.
And so even if you aren't gonnaget super serious with your dog
training and maybe you're notgonna pursue the CGC, it is
still going to benefit your dogthe most to be strong, tough
(24:30):
love, you know, have boundariesand don't be a pushover parent.
Right.
Although you really shouldstrive for the CGC.
That's all I gotta say.
Especially, I mean, and I hateto say this, but especially for
pit bulls.
I mean, pit bulls get such a badrap, you know, it's all about a
pit bull did this, a pit bulldid that, and...
(24:52):
When we adopt out pit bulls, wetell them like it's not okay
just to be a good pit bull, youhave to be the best dog on the
playground.
You have to be an ambassador.
Yeah, your dog...
Ambassador.
Your dog has to be a gold starexample of pit bulls.
Otherwise, you are justreinforcing stereotypes and
(25:13):
things that people want, theysee what they wanna see.
And the last thing anyone needsto see is a pit bull behaving
badly.
Right.
I mean, other dogs can behavebadly, other dogs can send
people to the hospital and theyare not gonna get the media
attention, they're not gonna getthe hate.
No.
The way a pit bull does.
(25:33):
If a golden retriever attacked apit bull viciously at the dog
park, everyone would say it wasthe pit bull's fault, even if
they watched it.
Mm-hmm.
They would say it was the pitbull and...
Because it couldn't be a golden.
No, this is, and this is a fact.
Like people will twist whathappens.
Right.
Yeah.
And they will think, well, thepit bull did something to
(25:54):
instigate the golden.
Right?
Well, every dog has teeth andpit bulls aren't the only dogs
that bite kill or mame.
Right.
But did you know that a pitbull's jaws lock?
Yeah.
Right.
That's a good one.
I know.
It's a myth, people.
Thank you, Matthew.
Yes.
He thinks so too.
Yeah.
Matthew's like that's bogus shitright there.
(26:20):
So one of the things that Ialways say to people, when we
talk about training is there isnever a problem that a dog has
that doesn't start with...
At home.
Well, no, no.
The solution doesn't start withputting the leash on.
I will have people be like,well, my dog does this.
And I'm like, okay, put theleash on then blah, blah, blah,
(26:40):
blah, blah.
And they're like, well, they dothis.
And I'm like, okay, put theleash on them, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah.
And every time it's the leash.
And then they just, they don'twant that to be the solution.
They want some magic thing.
And I'm like, it's a$5 tool.
It will prevent a world ofproblems and it will solve your
problems.
Like use it.
Right.
(27:01):
Yeah.
A leash can help with so manythings and help with bad habits
from forming.
And it's not like you have tohave this dog on a leash 24 7
for the its entire life.
It's just at the beginning todevelop those basic foundations
(27:25):
before they start developing badhabits.
Because if you have a puppy withyou on a leash, that puppy
cannot get up, go to anotherroom and take a huge dump
because that puppy is with you.
And then you see that puppy,circling or like hunching and
then you're like, oh God, okay,you're about to take a dump.
(27:46):
Let's run outside.
Go to our potty spot, say gopotty.
They potty.
You throw party.
Look, you just started pottytraining the dog.
Well, and when you do thatsudden, no, no, no, no and you,
and you have to chase them downor reach for them, that's when a
dog is gonna turn around andbite you because they're scared
shitless that you're trying tochase them.
(28:08):
Whereas if you have a leash, youjust turn and go and there's no
drama, there's no fear.
Right.
So a lot of bites actuallyhappen when people are trying to
grab their dog.
Mm-hmm.
Because to prevent them fromhaving a potty accident.
Or Yeah, I mean, just grabbing adog(mm-hmm) in general, with the
puppies, it's, it's the leash.
You're very calm, let's gooutside cuz you're on a leash
(28:29):
instead of, you know, walkinginto another room and stepping
in poop.
And again, that's because a badhabit developed cause you didn't
have eyes on the puppy.
Right.
But it's also, the leash is alsovery great when it comes to new
dogs that don't know you, youhaven't built up that trust
bank.
So instead of being this loominggiant over Jack with his little
(28:54):
harp that you're running awayfrom, because I mean the dog is
Jack, you were that scary assgiant.
And you don't wanna be the scaryass giant.
You want to be the guy with thebeans that Jack wants to give
you the, okay.
That's a really bad anecdote.
It's funny, I love, I love yourstories sometimes I'm like,
(29:14):
okay, let's just see where thisgoes.
Keep the dog with you, on theleash.
And then the leash is just anextension of you in a sense,
what I call umbilical training.
Because you know what?
You never stop training.
Right?
Well, you're pumping trust intothem through the leash.
And when Pate talks about thebank of trust, it it is, it's
like the relationship you haveis like a bank account.
(29:37):
And every time you're doingthings right, you're building
trust.
You know, you're enjoyingcuddling, like you're adding to
the bank account.
Every once in a while you'regonna screw up.
Like maybe you're gonna scarethe dog, maybe you're gonna
accidentally kick the dog in thehead when you're running...
Tripping.
Stairs or something.
You know, something like thatwhere you're like, oh my gosh,
like, I'm so sorry.
Right.
(29:57):
And that when you have builtthat trust up, then you know
you're taking...
A small withdrawal, right?
So you're building up inpennies, but when you make
mistakes, you're taking out indollars.
So you need to build up thosepennies to make sure that you
have that trust with that dog.
And some people will argue thatthe umbilical technique is
(30:19):
flooding a dog.
But the same person that saidthat, had a dog that they'd had
for six months and stillcouldn't touch it.
And when we told them, geez, putthe leash on it and tie it to
your belt loop, they were like,oh no, that's flooding.
And I was like, you've had thisdog for six months and you can't
touch it.
Like Yeah.
What are you doing?
(30:40):
Right?
Like at some point you need totry something else.
Mm-hmm.
And so it's, it's not floodingwhen you are showing them and
helping them get over irrationalfear that you were gonna be
horrible to them.
Mm-hmm.
Then they are getting over it.
They're learning to cope withthe stress of being near you.
(31:01):
They're learning to cope withthe changes.
They're learning to cope withyour movements, with things
going on in the house.
And then they start to realizelike, what was I even scared of?
I don't even know why I wasscared.
This is great.
That's all the time that we havefor today.
We'll be back, obviously.
(31:22):
I'm Pate.
Next Thursday.
Right?
Exactly.
Every Thursday.
Yeah.
Whether you want us to or not.
Mm-hmm.
You can count on us.
This is Pate.
I'm Jme.
And we are Motley Zoo AnimalRescue.
This is our podcast.
Rescue Shit.
Rock On.
Rescue On.
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