August 17, 2023 • 35 mins
Hear about some interesting facts about hot weather, which are really hard to imagine and find out some new ways to help support your dog (especially) during hot weather times.
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I am Jme.
I'm Pate.
And we are Motley Zoo AnimalRescue.
This is our podcast Rescue Shit.
Well, since the world is goingthrough a record heat wave,
we...
I hate this weather.
We decided that, we're gonna dosome heat and summer kind of
themed things, including dogs inhot cars.
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And this is something that nomatter how many times,
Everybody's told not to do it.
Someone does and it's nevergood.
And it's not just dogs, it'skids too.
I mean, living in Florida, it ishot all the freaking time and
it's ridiculously hot.
And every year there's storiesof dogs and children being left
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in hot cars.
Well, I think the children, it'sforgetting.
I mean, okay, forgetting yourchildren'cause a child
otherwise.
Could open the door and get out.
So it's mostly babies that getforgotten and...
Well, the toddlers or whoever'sstrapped in their car seat can't
get out of their car seat.
Right.
But most people do not leavetheir children in the car.
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But they will leave their dogsin the car and they will think
that it's okay even when it'snot.
So I actually have a thermometerin my car that I keep in there
for the times that I have tostop somewhere, when I have an
animal in my car, I put thethermometer on the seat.
But I also leave the car on withair conditioning.
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Right?
Because even if it's cold out,I'm not gonna be the one that
has their window broken forleaving a dog in the car while I
go into the store literally forfive minutes.
Right.
I'm not gonna be that person.
Exactly.
So I leave the car on and I goin, but I also don't do long
errands.
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If I have an animal in the car,I will specifically drop them
off and go back out and do myerrands.
Right, because I mean, runninginto the store or running, you
know, anywhere for just aminute.
Mm-hmm.
That can kill your dog.
Well, it can be fatal for anyoneleft in the car because, what if
the phone rings right and youget distracted?
Well, and the reason I broughtup the thermometer is because
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when I got in the car yesterdayafternoon after an errand, my
car said 135 degrees.
I.
The interior temperature was135.
But wait a minute, if you leftit on the dashboard in the
sun...
I just left it on the consolelike between the two seats.
Oh, okay.
And it said 135 and that was notin direct sun.
So I'm glad that you mentionedthat because I've got, a
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temperature safety chart infront of me that I'd like to go
over.
So my thing is like when it hits70 degrees, we're done.
Mm-hmm.
Like, not even, like if it's 70degrees, we are driving, never
stopping and all the windows arerolled down.
Right.
So In 75 degree weather.
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How long do you think it takesfor it to reach a hundred
degrees inside?
15 minutes?
No.
10.
Yes.
Mm.
10 minutes.
So you're like, I'm just gonnarun in the store.
Like how long is that damn line?
Mm-hmm.
So no, ain't worth it.
Mm-hmm.
And then it takes 30 minutes in75 degree weather to be 120
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degrees.
Yeah.
So half an hour and then thatdog is toasty.
Mm-hmm.
So an 85.
Degree weather.
How long would it take to reach90 degrees inside the car?
Two minutes.
No.
One minute.
No.
I said higher.
Oh, five minutes?
Yes.
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Five minutes.
That's just going in and gettingyour car keys?
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
I'm not saying car keys, likeyou forgot your wallet.
Mm-hmm.
You know what I'm saying?
Mm-hmm.
Like you're in the car and thenyou go back in the house.
Mm-hmm.
We're not even going, stoppingin the store to go to the
bathroom.
No.
Or you know, to grab somethingNo.
And walk in in aisles orwhatever.
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No.
'cause if you do, you need toleave the car on with the air.
Yeah.
And then, it takes seven toeight minutes to reach a hundred
degrees.
So less than 10 minutes is gonnabe a hundred degrees in 85
degree weather.
Mm-hmm.
In a hundred degree weather, itcan reach 140 degrees.
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In your car?
15 minutes?
Mm-hmm.
Well, I was gone for an hour andmy car windows were closed.
My car was in the sun and it was90 degrees yesterday almost, and
the car was 135.
Crazy.
Yeah.
So this is all like, Fahrenheit,by the way.
Yes.
Because we're not Canadian.
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Correct.
Well, I mean, or European,everyone.
I was gonna say, everyone usesCelsius but us, right?
I don't know how to use Celsius.
I'm sorry.
Oh, I know.
40 degrees is hot.
Yeah.
So I have my spare key.
It's like technically like thevalet key Uhhuh, and there's a
little compartment in my car andI keep it there.
So I leave my keys in theignition.
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I take the valet key, I lock thecar.
I walk away and I leave the caron mm-hmm.
Um, to, you know, get lotterytickets or, you know, get a
drink from inside, the gasstation or whatever.
And actually the other day,there was no way to avoid having
the dog in the car on our routeand when we had to stop at the
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grocery store to get, a gift forour friend and I left the car on
and he's like, why are youleaving the car on?
I'm like, because we have a dogin there.
And he's like, oh yeah.
And I was like, normally hewould be totally on that.
Mm-hmm.
But you know how quickly he'snot used to my routine, right.
Of thinking of who's in the carand what's going on and all that
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jazz.
But it, it is like, Don'tdistract me when I'm getting in
or out of the car either.
Right.
Because I don't wanna forget.
Exactly.
And that, I mean, and that'swhat happens with the kids.
Mm-hmm.
You know, like, oh, my routine,I go to work, I don't take the
kid to daycare, and then they goto work and forget that their
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kids in the car.
I mean it like, it's a horriblestory and it's a horrible, it's,
and it's a horrible story thatyou hear every year.
Yeah.
Well, and I mean, it would ruinyour life.
Oh my God.
So it takes.
Two seconds to constantly gothrough your, just go through
your car when you get out andmake sure nothing's in it.
Yeah.
Because you will be surprisedhow many times you could easily
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forget.
Right.
And then, so another, thingabout the heat, because it's so
hot here.
Right.
And one of the things is like,you know, our dogs like to go
outside and play and so we, wehave like little pools for them.
Well, and my dogs, they like tobake themselves.
Hmm.
I mean, I've had to like pullthem inside and get them out of
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the sun because they won't stopRight.
Being in the sun.
So, you know, you have to bevery cognizant of that.
When you have dogs that.
You know, just access to shadeand water.
Mm-hmm.
Doesn't necessarily mean theyare going to monitor themselves.
Right.
Because my dogs don't.
Right.
And Miller who has seizures,yes.
Like he, his seizures canactually, when he gets
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overheated, he can have aseizure and he's like a 80 to 90
pound Chesapeake pit bull mixand, He's stubborn sometimes
when it comes to he loves tosunbathe, right?
Oh, yeah.
And then he gets mad at mebecause he wants to go play
outside in the acre.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm like, dude, if youcollapse and have a seizure, I
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cannot like get you, pick you upand then get you in the house.
Because it's been so hot out,he's been delegated to, you
know, inside the house or onthe, on the deck.
Mm-hmm.
Only, mm-hmm.
And he's not really happy aboutthat.
But you know what?
Whatever, I don't care becauseat 88 degrees Fahrenheit dogs no
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longer lose heat through theirskin, which means, you know, the
paws, the pads, things likethat.
And they're prone to die fromheat stroke.
Mm-hmm.
So the, that panting, I mean,and that's like one of the
dangers that you have to thinkabout and he doesn't think about
it, so you have to think aboutit.
Yeah.
And then, you know, the dogs whoare, most at risk, which we pay
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attention to in our daycare.
Mm-hmm.
And we make them come in.
And sometimes we'll shut thatdoor.
Yeah.
There's a dog door that hasindoor access with air
conditioning.
And then outdoor access wherethey can, you know...
It's like a run.
Yeah.
They have their own personalruns.
Yeah.
And then we have the yards.
Right.
And, we may have to like closetheir doors to keep'em inside.
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But the ones who are most atrisk, of course, are our
seniors.
Mm-hmm.
And then, our flat faced ones.
Yeah.
So, pugs, Ory, or brachycephalicor boxers even.
Mm-hmm.
You, yep.
Anyone with a shortened snout.
Some of the pitbulls haveshortened snouts.
Mm-hmm.
Or bulldogs.
Or Frenchies or, yeah.
And then obviously a reallyhairy dog, like a Pomeranian or
something like that.
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After two seconds of being onthe deck, little Bailey was
like, and I was like, okay,nope.
She came from Texas.
She should be used to the heat.
Even when I was out there, likeliterally two minutes and I was
like, Nope.
Too hot for you.
Put her back inside.
Really?
Mm-hmm.
Little Bailey pom.
She's like, fits in the palm ofyour hand.
Yeah.
That's funny.
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Pom and Palm.
Actually, are like a pun forher.
Yeah.
Right.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
So, moral of the story is dogsdie in hot cars.
Leave your dogs at home andnever in a car.
The Teslas actually have dogmode and what, yes, it will run
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the car with the airconditioning on.
Keeping it comfortable.
Well, I guess like the carswhere you have your, what is it
called that the fobs orwhatever, where you don't have a
key.
Yeah.
But, but Tesla actually made dogmode.
So if you see a dog in a Teslaand the car's on your dog is
country, do not break thatwindow.
Yeah.
But do you know that it's on?
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I mean, you can hear it's on,right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So that's cool.
But then you can make dog modewith your car.
Mm-hmm.
Just don't do it for a longperiod of time.
And you know what I heard?
So 31 states, And Washington DChave the hot car laws to protect
animals.
Only 31.
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Only 31.
And then, but even wherecitizens are protected from
liability or breaking in torescue them, law enforcement
typically needs to be calledfirst.
Hmm.
So you need to call the policeand no matter if you can break a
window Yeah.
You know, per the law.
Well, and then, but, but you canintervene and maybe protected
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from civil or criminal liabilityunder Good Samaritan Laws if you
live in Arizona, California.
Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware,Florida, because it happens all
the time.
Mm-hmm.
Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana.
I didn't know that.
Mm-hmm.
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Massachusetts, Ohio, Oregon.
How come not Washington?
Yeah.
Tennessee, Vermont andWisconsin.
All right.
So those are the hot, those arethe, that's a good Samaritan
law.
Yeah.
Well, and you know, I thinknowadays too, people would go
too far.
So like I said, even on a 60degree day, I won't leave the
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dog in the car without leavingthe car on.
Right.
Even if the animal's freezing,because they're a tiny little
chihuahua, I have to leave theair on for them Uhhuh, because
I'm gonna be gone in the storefor five minutes and I can't, I
cannot trust that someone is notgonna freak out.
Yeah.
And do that even when it's nothot or sunny.
Mm-hmm.
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And the car is cool.
Right.
I won't do it.
Because I know someone will takeit way too far.
They'll break my window.
There'll be a news story, I'llbe on the news.
It's not gonna be cool.
Like, I have the whole thingplanned out because I know what
will happen.
Right?
The one time that it's not hotand I, if I tried it, No.
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So just don't try it.
Right, exactly.
You don't wanna be a statistic,and I certainly don't wanna be a
statistic.
Right.
So if you were minding your ownbusiness and then you saw, like,
especially with this weatherand, and it is not necessarily
just in a hot car, but in thisweather how would you recognize
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the symptoms of heat stroke?
What, what do you think it wouldbe?
I would say really excessivepanting or lack of panting, like
they've panted so much that theycan't anymore and they're just
like laying there with theirtongue out.
Mm-hmm.
Lethargy for sure.
Vomiting.
So this actually happened, witha dog that I had.
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I had a Pomeranian, foster dogbefore Motley Zoo.
Okay.
So the moral of the story isPomeranians cannot handle the
heat.
Right.
I didn't even think it was thathot out mm-hmm.
At the time.
But she liked to run in circles.
So she ran in circles, so muchcame in, drank water, threw up,
drank water, threw up, and I waslike, oh shit, this dog has heat
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stroke.
And so I took it to the vet.
And the rescue, I couldn't getahold of the rescue person.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And she yelled at me and told methat I shouldn't have done that,
and that she wasn't gonna payfor it.
And I was like, that's fine.
I'm not gonna let this dog die.
Mm-hmm.
And she's like, you shouldn'thave let it out.
And I was like, well, I did.
I didn't know she was gonna runin circles the whole time.
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Right.
And I'm happy to pay for it, forpeace of mind and to make sure
that this dog is okay.
Right.
But that is one of the reasonswhy we started Motley Zoo,
because I don't think that'sappropriate.
Yeah.
No, not at all.
So that actually did happen tome, but the vomit.
Drinking a lot of water and thenthrowing up.
That's a, a pretty goodindication that your dog's been
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out in right, in the sun toolong.
Yeah, for sure.
But if they're in a hot car, Iimagine that they're either
panting furiously, maybescratching at the window, or
they've, heaven forbid they'vegone into like like laying on
the...
Right, respiratory rest orwhatever.
So The most common signs of,heat stroke, heat stroke strikes
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quickly.
Yes, it does.
It's very fast and, and it's atotal medical emergency.
Mm-hmm.
We're talking, you know, likemulti-organ failure.
Yeah.
And even death.
Yeah.
You know, and it's, it's justfast and it's not cool.
So, recognize the symptoms,right.
Excessive drooling.
Mm-hmm.
Excessive panting.
Mm-hmm.
Like you said.
Mm-hmm.
Dry nose.
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And, and this is all incombination, right?
So if your dog has a dry nose,don't start freaking out and
being like, oh my God, he is gotheat stroke.
Right?
Yeah.
He needs more than just a drynose.
Yeah.
And then you got your vomiting.
Trouble breathing.
Lethargy.
Mm-hmm.
Like you said mm-hmm.
Disorientation.
Mm-hmm.
And unsteadiness.
Like they're drunk.
Muscle tremors.
So some of these actually iswhen I tell Fosters, do not run
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with a damn puppy.
Yeah.
Because some of these signs areactually, it's not heat stroke
per se, but it's like over...
Exertion.
Over exertion.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It's the same because their bodyis overheating because you have
forced them to do too much.
To do too much.
Yeah.
So that means too that you haveto be careful about what times
you go out with your dog.
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Mm-hmm.
And a lot of dogs will somewhatself monitor their activity
obviously.
Right.
Puppies won't, but you know,like a dog, your dog might balk
at going on a walk mm-hmm.
At noon because it's toofreaking hot.
Mm-hmm.
Your dog's like, no, I think I'mjust gonna lay here on the tile.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
So obviously, you know, takingyour dog for a walk earlier or
later Right.
Or keeping it short when it'shot out(mm-hmm) is really
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important because(right) yourdog can overheat.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Especially if it is a puppy oris a brachiocephalic dog.
Yeah.
And it doesn't even have to behot weather.
No, no.
This is, you just like forcingthem to do much too much
overexertion.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So the other symptoms of, heatstroke, Besides, being the
drunken sailor of disorientationand unsteadiness, you've got
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your muscle tremors.
You've got your diarrheasometimes.
Oh yeah.
Restlessness.
'cause they can't getcomfortable, right?
Mm-hmm.
Seizures, like I said.
The heat will get Miller going.
And he's too stupid not to comeinside.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
He's been having like moreseizures and we've got the air
conditioner in here, we've gotall the fans.
Mm-hmm.
And then, you know, respiratoryarrest, that's your mm-hmm.
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Oh, heart attack.
Your whining or growling?
Uh, mm-hmm.
Yeah.
'cause they, they're just souncomfortable.
And, discolored gums.
Yes.
They're whitish.
Mm-hmm.
Because they don't have enoughblood and moisture and they turn
white'cause it's like a form ofshock.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
So those are the symptoms ofheat stroke.
What do you do then if your doghas gotten into this state?
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I'm glad you asked.
All right.
So hyperthermia, which is themedical terminology for heat
stroke?
It's an immediate medicalemergency, so, What you have to
do is reduce their bodytemperature.
And then some websites and stuffwill say, oh, use ice, don't you
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ever, ever, ever.
Mm-hmm.
It's too drastic.
It's well, yeah, and you knowwhat?
ICE can actually burn.
So, mm-hmm.
You need to slowly andcontrolled, reduce their
temperature.
And the best way to do that iscool water, make it cool.
Not warm.
No, not super cold either.
Yeah.
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Because you're gonna shock theirsystem.
So it has to be cool water andthen you can pour it over their
head.
Or wet towels.
Wet towels, exactly.
So, cool water.
On the head, kind of likepeople, right?
Mm-hmm.
Because our temporal, veins arein our head.
Mm-hmm.
So when you do like a cool clothover your forehead, it, you're
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hitting your blood veins.
Mm-hmm.
So cool blood has to go through.
When you're circulating, youwant to cool your blood
basically to help cool yourbody.
So those points would be yourhead.
Your stomach.
Mm-hmm.
Your armpits.
Mm-hmm.
And your feet.
Mm-hmm.
Because remember, dogs kind oflike quote unquote sweat through
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their feet.
Yeah.
And you don't wanna give a lotof water.
Like, just a little bit becausethey would drink too much and
then throw up.
Well, right.
And I mean, because you're like,oh my God, we have to, you know,
like, get this under controlright away.
Mm-hmm.
'cause you're freaking out.
Mm-hmm.
Don't freak out.
Mm-hmm.
It has to be slow, and gradual.
I mean, not super slow,obviously.
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Yeah.
But don't go from heat, stroketo ice, I mean...
Exactly.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
That's, that's what we'resaying.
So, I mean, like with people, weput it on our wrists.
Yeah.
'cause our blood, I, I run mywrist under cold water.
You're car, I'm you're carotid.
Um mm-hmm.
They, yeah.
That's why they have the neck.
Yeah.
Cooler things.
Mm-hmm.
And they work really wellactually.
Yeah.
But dogs don't have that.
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But you know what dogs do have,they have, or the swamp coat.
Mm.
They have cooling, bandanas andvests.
And mats too.
Yeah.
The reason why they call it aswamp coat.
'cause like in the south right,you have your kind of like swamp
ac mm-hmm.
Which is basically, a chunk ofice with a fan blowing on the
ice.
Mm-hmm.
And so it cools the room mm-hmm.
Because you've got the icewater, like(mm-hmm) cooling the
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air, and then it's blowing that,so the swamp coats it's kind of
like the idea of hosing a dogdown.
Make'em cool mm-hmm.
And damp.
Mm-hmm.
And you put it on the dog.
Mm-hmm.
And it kind of cools thembecause, you know, we, you still
have air circulating whenthey're running.
Mm-hmm.
Stuff like that.
I think Outward Hound orsomething like, might make
something like that probably.
Yeah.
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And then if you're using, thecool wet cloths or whatever, you
have to rotate them.
Refresh them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Because otherwise they're takingin the heat and they're keeping
the heat.
Yeah.
Then they would radiate it backlike a blanket.
Yeah.
So you have to keep making sureit's cool.
And then, that's one of the, thebest ways to get their
temperature down.
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Mm-hmm.
Until you can, if it's anextreme case, that's how you're
keeping'em cool until you get tothe hospital.
To the, to the vet.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And then if their bodytemperature is too high, which
we're talking like 106 degreesand it's prolonged(mm) you're
gonna look at, you know, likepossibly permanent brain kidney
(Mm-hmm) you know, like someother organ damage Yeah.
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'cause of that elevatedtemperature.
Yeah.
Like the elevated temperature ofyour body, if it's too high and
it causes seizures, it'sbasically...
Frying your brain.
Exactly.
Your brain on drugs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there's three stages actuallyof heat related illnesses.
And heat stroke is the very lastone.
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Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
But, and hopefully you don'thave to deal with heat stroke,
but we briefly talked about likeheat exhaustion.
Mm-hmm.
But there's also heat stress,which is like, similar to heat,
exhaustion.
Well, and these are things thatpeople can go through too.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And then heat exhaustion is amilder form(mm-hmm) of heat
stroke.
Mm-hmm.
cause heat stroke you're talkingabout a body temperature of 105
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or over.
Yeah.
Well, and for people you stopsweating.
You're very dry.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
At that point.
Mm-hmm.
You are in distress.
Major distress.
Yeah.
So heat exhaustion is when theirtemperature elevated.
Mm-hmm.
But not over 104.
104 over.
We're talking heat stroke.
And then, you can offer themlike, everything in moderation,
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right?
Yes.
Like you don't want to, make thecooling temperature too cold,
right?
Because you're gonna shock them.
You don't want to give them, nomatter how.
Much they want to drink mm-hmm.
Because they're so hot.
Small sips.
Mm-hmm.
Like a couple licks and thengive it a few minutes Exactly.
And then a couple licks and giveit a few minutes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you give them a bucket ofwater, they're gonna drink it
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and throw it up, and thenthey're gonna be in worse
position.
Right.
Yeah.
And then if you have like a fanlike around you, then obviously
having them in a fan whileyou're cooling them(mm-hmm) is
helpful.
So we need to think about the,the pavement too.
Even a light colored concretesidewalk gets pretty hot.
I mean, especially in Georgiawith that Hot asphalt.
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Yeah.
The black top the roads.
Mm-hmm.
The parking lots, they getreally hot.
So what's a test you can do tosee if it's too hot for your
dog?
What a lot of people do is pressyour hand against the, I mean,
and you saw me doing this whenwe were at the White River
Amphitheater.
Yeah.
I was putting my hand down on itwas because it was hot, but it
wasn't, it was hot, but itwasn't sunny.
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It wasn't that bad.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
But I was like, pressing my handdown on the pavement.
Mm-hmm.
I was impressed though, that thepeople there, were like, oh, do
you need to, you know, drop themoff because of the pavement?
Like I was pleasantly surprisedthat they thought of that.
Right.
And that is a factor.
So, on a really hot day, we dohave to go and drop the dogs off
and not have them walk in thepavement.
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Right, right.
Especially the babies.
Mm-hmm.
Because you gotta figure, likethe babies, their paws are not
as calloused mm-hmm.
As, an adult because everythingwith them, it's just like new.
Mm-hmm.
Fresh.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
And then so, when you're walkingduring the day, and you press
your hand down on the pavement,keep it pressed down for like
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seven to eight minutes.
Seconds.
That Oh, yeah.
Seven to eight minutes just tosit there with your hand, like,
like when people walking by.
It's a good time to meditate,you know, and teaching your dog
how to sit and stay, you know,seven to eight minutes.
So basically we call it, it's aseven second test.
Mm-hmm.
If it's too hot for you, it'stoo hot for them.
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Yeah.
You know?
Um, and then, and then like Isaid, like.
Puppies, even more so.
So there are other things thatyou can do to keep your dog cool
to prevent heat stroke, toprevent heat exhaustion.
We talked quickly about walkingand taking them for walks and
potty breaks at different timesof the day.
Mm-hmm.
When it's not so hot.
Mm-hmm.
always making sure that there'sshade available.
(23:50):
If there's not shade available,like that's gonna be a problem.
Mm-hmm.
Obviously always wateravailable.
But you still have to monitorthat because, we had a puppy
that just drank so much water,it almost died.
So water toxicity, toxicity is areal thing.
And if your dog, just keeps inthe cycle of drinking water to
cool down mm-hmm.
Then it could potentially getwater toxicity too.
(24:11):
Right?
Yeah.
Then also where do you put yourwater, right?
Like if, if your dog's outsideand you put a bowl of water
outside for your dog, like tomake sure that, they're staying
hydrated.
Mm-hmm.
Don't put it out where the sunis.
No.
Put it in the shade, butremember the shade moves.
Right.
So, you know, you gotta payattention to that too.
Yes.
Yes.
Because you don't want themdrinking hot water.
(24:31):
No.
And you know, don't do strenuousactivities like running or
playing Frisbee or, or thingslike that when it's hot.
I mean, chances are your dog arenot gonna wanna do it anyways.
If it's over 75 at the kennels,most of the dogs don't even
wanna go outside.
And we have, we have to makethem.
Yeah.
Or some of'em, so they're like,I wanna be outdoors, but not, so
(24:54):
their body is inside with theair conditioning, and then their
head...
Is sticking out the door.
Is sticking out the door.
Mm-hmm.
So they're like, I'm kind ofoutside.
So we keep it 70 degrees in thekennels all the time.
Mm-hmm.
So it's either warm or cool,depending on what's going on
outside.
And so the dogs always have thatopportunity to be refreshed.
(25:15):
They can go outside, still layon the concrete, which is in the
shade.
Mm-hmm.
Because we have a roof over it.
Right.
And then, On hot days, we justlet them out for potty and...
yeah.
Like, you know, little 15 minuteincrements.
Mm-hmm.
Or whatever.
But yeah, we don't allowextensive playing when it's hot.
Right.
Yeah.
Okay.
Like there are dogs who haveburned the bottom of their feet
(25:39):
from walking on the pavement.
So you have to really, I meanthe, the air temperature and
correlation to the asphalt orthe pavement is, in Celcius...
I would say it's gotta be 20degrees...
It says here, so at 125 degreesFahrenheit, skin destruction can
(26:02):
happen in 60 seconds.
Mm-hmm.
And then, and then you're like,oh, 125 degrees.
It's not 125 degrees, but didyou know the asphalt temperature
can reach 125 degrees only at 77degrees?
When the air is 77.
Temperatures on the asphalt canreach 125.
Huh?
I would've thought about 20degrees.
(26:22):
Like I would've thought then theasphalt was like a hundred
degrees or something like that.
That's pretty shocking.
Yeah.
So I mean, but 20 degrees iskind of right for concrete.
Oh, okay.
You know, so like, for example,if the temperature is 85 degrees
your concrete is 105 degrees,and your asphalt is 130 degrees.
(26:44):
Mm-hmm.
No, wait 120.
Yeah, no, 130 degrees at like 85degrees.
So that's almost double.
Yeah.
Whatever.
It's really fricking hot.
It's 46.7%.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did you know that an egg can,fry in five minutes at a hundred
and like at that 85 degreetemperature?
(27:08):
Wow.
I believe it.
Yeah.
People do it on TikTok.
You can watch.
We, you know what?
I've never, we've never tried.
I've never tried it.
I've never tried it either.
Now I'm curious.
I like the, I mean, I neverwanna be in weather this cold,
but where you throw a pot of hotwater out the window and it just
instantly turns into snow.
Because it's so cold.
It's that in Alaska?
Yeah.
Or like Greenland, Wisconsin orsomething.
(27:30):
Canadians say maybe theCanadians.
Mm-hmm.
I'll ask Gary.
Mm-hmm.
I'll be like, have you everthrown?
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Um, and then, So we talked aboutconcrete and cement, right?
Cement, cement, cement, cement,cement.
(27:51):
I love when you come up withthese, you suddenly say
something weird.
I can say whatever I want, andthen, okay.
You can, but it's just funny.
A Oh, who's that?
I don't know.
I went to the bathroom and Iaccidentally locked Axl out of
the room and he was telling hewas knocking with his paw.
(28:12):
Yeah.
Someone needs to adopt him.
He's like an amazing dog.
He's so good.
He's such a good dog.
And.
He's not really a husky, whichis like the best part about him.
Ah, he's, he's got his leg,stuck in my bag.
Okay.
Maybe you're not the brightestdog, but you're the nicest dog.
(28:32):
Yeah.
We love you.
Yeah.
He's, he's the anti husky, likeTut is the anti Bengal, right?
The lazy, clumsy Bengal.
Yeah.
That I have.
He's...
I mean, look at his coloringtoo.
I know he can't be full husky.
I think he is.
I wonder what he's with.
I don't know.
Anyway.
Okay.
Back to the stories.
He's so happy.
He's like, hi, thanks forletting me in.
(28:53):
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Anyway.
All right, so we talked aboutconcrete and cement, cement.
Okay.
At 95 degrees, cement can heat,to as high as 125.
You know what it's like pecanand pecan.
Like pecan.
Don't say that.
No, it's not.
No one says cement.
Cement.
I do.
Unless you're an old man fromthe south.
(29:14):
A cement, cement and burn hot inGeorgia.
Asphalt.
Um, what?
The king of the hill.
I picture that guy going Cement.
Okay.
So when I was watching the Kingof the Hill, I was thinking that
that main king of the hill dudewas my dad.
That's funny.
I can picture, that's funny.
I don't even know your dad, butI can totally picture that.
(29:36):
Anyway, so blacktop or asphaltat 87 degrees can heat up to as
high as 143 degrees.
Sand mmm, at around 90 degreesit can get as hot as 120 to 130.
So think about that on thebeaches, right?
Yeah.
(29:56):
Yeah.
I mean, there were times inFlorida where I couldn't walk to
the water by myself.
Mm-hmm.
That's why you got flip flops.
With flip flops.
Yeah, then I wore my flip flopsin the water and then I got
totally knocked down.
I was supposed to be holdingLeisha up and I totally fell
down.
That's so crazy.
And then this one, I don't know.
'cause I guess we don't reallyhave.
(30:16):
A lot of 95 degree weather uphere, but it says grass at 95
degrees grass is about 105 inthe sun and 91 in the shade.
Hmm.
I don't know that I agree on.
Well, I mean, I could see that,but that's within a realm of
comfort for a dog.
I mean, maybe not when it'ssuper hot out, but mm-hmm.
(30:38):
That's within their dog's bodytemperature, so it wouldn't be
considered.
Well, I mean, yeah, hot.
Hot.
It's hot.
It would be hot for us.
Yeah.
'cause I mean, 125(mm-hmm) iswhen the skin will start mm-hmm.
Burning, like their paws were.
Mm-hmm.
But still, I mean, I would thinkthat the grass at 95 degree
temperature would be too hot fora baby.
Yeah.
(30:58):
Probably.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I'll have to ask a vet.
any vets listening, that don'twanna hurt us, right?
Don't wanna hate on us?
Mm-hmm.
You can hate on me.
I don't care.
Pate's in charge of all thevetting stuff, so.
Yeah.
Hate on me.
I'm just the one that bitchesabout it more., So I mean, yeah,
(31:20):
oh, he found the alien also.
Did he get in your bag again?
No, no.
He's got the alien that's Axlwith his totally entertaining
himself.
Yes.
See, he's self entertaining.
He's, he's so good.
Someone adopt this damn dog.
Mm-hmm.
I love you, Axel.
Yeah, he's a good dog.
So anyway.
Okay.
That's it, Don't walk your dogduring the day.
Don't when it's really hot.
(31:42):
Is the moral of the story.
Don't lock them in the car.
Don't lock them in the car.
That's the moral of that story.
Leave them at home.
But actually sometimes, likeyour house can be hotter.
So get air conditioning.
Mm-hmm.
Well, you know, with no units.
Come on man.
Think about a boat too.
I mean, I go on boats and ifthere's no shade on the boat, I
want to die after a few hours.
(32:04):
All I wanna do is get off thatboat and go in the shade.
So if you're bringing your dogon your boat and there's no
shade, think about that too.
Mm-hmm.
Like, I literally wanna die.
Yeah.
When people tell me they wannatake me on a boat, I'm like,
excited.
But I'm like, is there a cover?
Right.
Because I, I get so worn out.
Yeah.
(32:24):
I remember.
I mean, I'm trying to think likewhen I was in Thailand and stuff
like that, you know,'cause it'shot as hell.
Like you would look at thestreet dogs and they were not
stupid enough to be walkingaround during the day.
I mean, and look at our rabbitsand stuff like that.
I mean, there's a reason thatthey go and eat at.
Dusk and they go and eat atdawn.
(32:47):
Actually, maybe it's'cause ofpredators, but nonetheless,
they're smart, is what I'msaying.
When it's hot, you know, but I'mthinking about the street dogs
in Thailand and stuff like that,and I don't think I've seen too
many of them roaming around.
Mm-hmm.
I think they're sleeping duringthe day, like a siesta.
Mm-hmm.
You know, and then they're outand about at night, you know?
Because they're smart enough notto.
(33:07):
Yeah.
Well you have to like, It's likecultural.
Like in Africa, everybody takesa nap in the middle of the day
'cause it's too freaking hot.
Yeah.
So all the animals do.
All the people do.
And then...
Have you seen the lions?
What is he doing?
I don't know.
He's got a bone or something andhe's got it under the bed and so
he's making a clunking noise.
(33:28):
Well, we're almost done anyways.
Okay, fine.
Remember when you were sleeping?
All right, well, that's all wehave time for today.
My name's Jamie.
I'm Pate.
And this is our podcast RescueShit.
Rock On.
Rescue on.
Woo-hoo.
I am Jme.
I'm Pate.
And we are Motley Zoo AnimalRescue.
This is our podcast Rescue Shit.
Well, since the world is goingthrough a record heat wave,
we...
I hate this weather.
We decided that, we're gonna dosome heat and summer kind of
themed things, including dogs inhot cars.
(00:22):
And this is something that nomatter how many times,
Everybody's told not to do it.
Someone does and it's nevergood.
And it's not just dogs, it'skids too.
I mean, living in Florida, it ishot all the freaking time and
it's ridiculously hot.
And every year there's storiesof dogs and children being left
(00:44):
in hot cars.
Well, I think the children, it'sforgetting.
I mean, okay, forgetting yourchildren'cause a child
otherwise.
Could open the door and get out.
So it's mostly babies that getforgotten and...
Well, the toddlers or whoever'sstrapped in their car seat can't
get out of their car seat.
Right.
But most people do not leavetheir children in the car.
(01:08):
But they will leave their dogsin the car and they will think
that it's okay even when it'snot.
So I actually have a thermometerin my car that I keep in there
for the times that I have tostop somewhere, when I have an
animal in my car, I put thethermometer on the seat.
But I also leave the car on withair conditioning.
(01:28):
Right?
Because even if it's cold out,I'm not gonna be the one that
has their window broken forleaving a dog in the car while I
go into the store literally forfive minutes.
Right.
I'm not gonna be that person.
Exactly.
So I leave the car on and I goin, but I also don't do long
errands.
(01:49):
If I have an animal in the car,I will specifically drop them
off and go back out and do myerrands.
Right, because I mean, runninginto the store or running, you
know, anywhere for just aminute.
Mm-hmm.
That can kill your dog.
Well, it can be fatal for anyoneleft in the car because, what if
the phone rings right and youget distracted?
Well, and the reason I broughtup the thermometer is because
(02:09):
when I got in the car yesterdayafternoon after an errand, my
car said 135 degrees.
I.
The interior temperature was135.
But wait a minute, if you leftit on the dashboard in the
sun...
I just left it on the consolelike between the two seats.
Oh, okay.
And it said 135 and that was notin direct sun.
So I'm glad that you mentionedthat because I've got, a
(02:33):
temperature safety chart infront of me that I'd like to go
over.
So my thing is like when it hits70 degrees, we're done.
Mm-hmm.
Like, not even, like if it's 70degrees, we are driving, never
stopping and all the windows arerolled down.
Right.
So In 75 degree weather.
(02:54):
How long do you think it takesfor it to reach a hundred
degrees inside?
15 minutes?
No.
10.
Yes.
Mm.
10 minutes.
So you're like, I'm just gonnarun in the store.
Like how long is that damn line?
Mm-hmm.
So no, ain't worth it.
Mm-hmm.
And then it takes 30 minutes in75 degree weather to be 120
(03:16):
degrees.
Yeah.
So half an hour and then thatdog is toasty.
Mm-hmm.
So an 85.
Degree weather.
How long would it take to reach90 degrees inside the car?
Two minutes.
No.
One minute.
No.
I said higher.
Oh, five minutes?
Yes.
(03:37):
Five minutes.
That's just going in and gettingyour car keys?
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
I'm not saying car keys, likeyou forgot your wallet.
Mm-hmm.
You know what I'm saying?
Mm-hmm.
Like you're in the car and thenyou go back in the house.
Mm-hmm.
We're not even going, stoppingin the store to go to the
bathroom.
No.
Or you know, to grab somethingNo.
And walk in in aisles orwhatever.
(03:57):
No.
'cause if you do, you need toleave the car on with the air.
Yeah.
And then, it takes seven toeight minutes to reach a hundred
degrees.
So less than 10 minutes is gonnabe a hundred degrees in 85
degree weather.
Mm-hmm.
In a hundred degree weather, itcan reach 140 degrees.
(04:17):
In your car?
15 minutes?
Mm-hmm.
Well, I was gone for an hour andmy car windows were closed.
My car was in the sun and it was90 degrees yesterday almost, and
the car was 135.
Crazy.
Yeah.
So this is all like, Fahrenheit,by the way.
Yes.
Because we're not Canadian.
(04:38):
Correct.
Well, I mean, or European,everyone.
I was gonna say, everyone usesCelsius but us, right?
I don't know how to use Celsius.
I'm sorry.
Oh, I know.
40 degrees is hot.
Yeah.
So I have my spare key.
It's like technically like thevalet key Uhhuh, and there's a
little compartment in my car andI keep it there.
So I leave my keys in theignition.
(05:01):
I take the valet key, I lock thecar.
I walk away and I leave the caron mm-hmm.
Um, to, you know, get lotterytickets or, you know, get a
drink from inside, the gasstation or whatever.
And actually the other day,there was no way to avoid having
the dog in the car on our routeand when we had to stop at the
(05:22):
grocery store to get, a gift forour friend and I left the car on
and he's like, why are youleaving the car on?
I'm like, because we have a dogin there.
And he's like, oh yeah.
And I was like, normally hewould be totally on that.
Mm-hmm.
But you know how quickly he'snot used to my routine, right.
Of thinking of who's in the carand what's going on and all that
(05:43):
jazz.
But it, it is like, Don'tdistract me when I'm getting in
or out of the car either.
Right.
Because I don't wanna forget.
Exactly.
And that, I mean, and that'swhat happens with the kids.
Mm-hmm.
You know, like, oh, my routine,I go to work, I don't take the
kid to daycare, and then they goto work and forget that their
(06:04):
kids in the car.
I mean it like, it's a horriblestory and it's a horrible, it's,
and it's a horrible story thatyou hear every year.
Yeah.
Well, and I mean, it would ruinyour life.
Oh my God.
So it takes.
Two seconds to constantly gothrough your, just go through
your car when you get out andmake sure nothing's in it.
Yeah.
Because you will be surprisedhow many times you could easily
(06:27):
forget.
Right.
And then, so another, thingabout the heat, because it's so
hot here.
Right.
And one of the things is like,you know, our dogs like to go
outside and play and so we, wehave like little pools for them.
Well, and my dogs, they like tobake themselves.
Hmm.
I mean, I've had to like pullthem inside and get them out of
(06:51):
the sun because they won't stopRight.
Being in the sun.
So, you know, you have to bevery cognizant of that.
When you have dogs that.
You know, just access to shadeand water.
Mm-hmm.
Doesn't necessarily mean theyare going to monitor themselves.
Right.
Because my dogs don't.
Right.
And Miller who has seizures,yes.
Like he, his seizures canactually, when he gets
(07:13):
overheated, he can have aseizure and he's like a 80 to 90
pound Chesapeake pit bull mixand, He's stubborn sometimes
when it comes to he loves tosunbathe, right?
Oh, yeah.
And then he gets mad at mebecause he wants to go play
outside in the acre.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm like, dude, if youcollapse and have a seizure, I
(07:34):
cannot like get you, pick you upand then get you in the house.
Because it's been so hot out,he's been delegated to, you
know, inside the house or onthe, on the deck.
Mm-hmm.
Only, mm-hmm.
And he's not really happy aboutthat.
But you know what?
Whatever, I don't care becauseat 88 degrees Fahrenheit dogs no
(07:56):
longer lose heat through theirskin, which means, you know, the
paws, the pads, things likethat.
And they're prone to die fromheat stroke.
Mm-hmm.
So the, that panting, I mean,and that's like one of the
dangers that you have to thinkabout and he doesn't think about
it, so you have to think aboutit.
Yeah.
And then, you know, the dogs whoare, most at risk, which we pay
(08:17):
attention to in our daycare.
Mm-hmm.
And we make them come in.
And sometimes we'll shut thatdoor.
Yeah.
There's a dog door that hasindoor access with air
conditioning.
And then outdoor access wherethey can, you know...
It's like a run.
Yeah.
They have their own personalruns.
Yeah.
And then we have the yards.
Right.
And, we may have to like closetheir doors to keep'em inside.
(08:38):
But the ones who are most atrisk, of course, are our
seniors.
Mm-hmm.
And then, our flat faced ones.
Yeah.
So, pugs, Ory, or brachycephalicor boxers even.
Mm-hmm.
You, yep.
Anyone with a shortened snout.
Some of the pitbulls haveshortened snouts.
Mm-hmm.
Or bulldogs.
Or Frenchies or, yeah.
And then obviously a reallyhairy dog, like a Pomeranian or
something like that.
(09:00):
After two seconds of being onthe deck, little Bailey was
like, and I was like, okay,nope.
She came from Texas.
She should be used to the heat.
Even when I was out there, likeliterally two minutes and I was
like, Nope.
Too hot for you.
Put her back inside.
Really?
Mm-hmm.
Little Bailey pom.
She's like, fits in the palm ofyour hand.
Yeah.
That's funny.
(09:21):
Pom and Palm.
Actually, are like a pun forher.
Yeah.
Right.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
So, moral of the story is dogsdie in hot cars.
Leave your dogs at home andnever in a car.
The Teslas actually have dogmode and what, yes, it will run
(09:42):
the car with the airconditioning on.
Keeping it comfortable.
Well, I guess like the carswhere you have your, what is it
called that the fobs orwhatever, where you don't have a
key.
Yeah.
But, but Tesla actually made dogmode.
So if you see a dog in a Teslaand the car's on your dog is
country, do not break thatwindow.
Yeah.
But do you know that it's on?
(10:04):
I mean, you can hear it's on,right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So that's cool.
But then you can make dog modewith your car.
Mm-hmm.
Just don't do it for a longperiod of time.
And you know what I heard?
So 31 states, And Washington DChave the hot car laws to protect
animals.
Only 31.
(10:24):
Only 31.
And then, but even wherecitizens are protected from
liability or breaking in torescue them, law enforcement
typically needs to be calledfirst.
Hmm.
So you need to call the policeand no matter if you can break a
window Yeah.
You know, per the law.
Well, and then, but, but you canintervene and maybe protected
(10:45):
from civil or criminal liabilityunder Good Samaritan Laws if you
live in Arizona, California.
Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware,Florida, because it happens all
the time.
Mm-hmm.
Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana.
I didn't know that.
Mm-hmm.
(11:05):
Massachusetts, Ohio, Oregon.
How come not Washington?
Yeah.
Tennessee, Vermont andWisconsin.
All right.
So those are the hot, those arethe, that's a good Samaritan
law.
Yeah.
Well, and you know, I thinknowadays too, people would go
too far.
So like I said, even on a 60degree day, I won't leave the
(11:28):
dog in the car without leavingthe car on.
Right.
Even if the animal's freezing,because they're a tiny little
chihuahua, I have to leave theair on for them Uhhuh, because
I'm gonna be gone in the storefor five minutes and I can't, I
cannot trust that someone is notgonna freak out.
Yeah.
And do that even when it's nothot or sunny.
Mm-hmm.
(11:48):
And the car is cool.
Right.
I won't do it.
Because I know someone will takeit way too far.
They'll break my window.
There'll be a news story, I'llbe on the news.
It's not gonna be cool.
Like, I have the whole thingplanned out because I know what
will happen.
Right?
The one time that it's not hotand I, if I tried it, No.
(12:08):
So just don't try it.
Right, exactly.
You don't wanna be a statistic,and I certainly don't wanna be a
statistic.
Right.
So if you were minding your ownbusiness and then you saw, like,
especially with this weatherand, and it is not necessarily
just in a hot car, but in thisweather how would you recognize
(12:30):
the symptoms of heat stroke?
What, what do you think it wouldbe?
I would say really excessivepanting or lack of panting, like
they've panted so much that theycan't anymore and they're just
like laying there with theirtongue out.
Mm-hmm.
Lethargy for sure.
Vomiting.
So this actually happened, witha dog that I had.
(12:51):
I had a Pomeranian, foster dogbefore Motley Zoo.
Okay.
So the moral of the story isPomeranians cannot handle the
heat.
Right.
I didn't even think it was thathot out mm-hmm.
At the time.
But she liked to run in circles.
So she ran in circles, so muchcame in, drank water, threw up,
drank water, threw up, and I waslike, oh shit, this dog has heat
(13:11):
stroke.
And so I took it to the vet.
And the rescue, I couldn't getahold of the rescue person.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And she yelled at me and told methat I shouldn't have done that,
and that she wasn't gonna payfor it.
And I was like, that's fine.
I'm not gonna let this dog die.
Mm-hmm.
And she's like, you shouldn'thave let it out.
And I was like, well, I did.
I didn't know she was gonna runin circles the whole time.
(13:32):
Right.
And I'm happy to pay for it, forpeace of mind and to make sure
that this dog is okay.
Right.
But that is one of the reasonswhy we started Motley Zoo,
because I don't think that'sappropriate.
Yeah.
No, not at all.
So that actually did happen tome, but the vomit.
Drinking a lot of water and thenthrowing up.
That's a, a pretty goodindication that your dog's been
(13:53):
out in right, in the sun toolong.
Yeah, for sure.
But if they're in a hot car, Iimagine that they're either
panting furiously, maybescratching at the window, or
they've, heaven forbid they'vegone into like like laying on
the...
Right, respiratory rest orwhatever.
So The most common signs of,heat stroke, heat stroke strikes
(14:15):
quickly.
Yes, it does.
It's very fast and, and it's atotal medical emergency.
Mm-hmm.
We're talking, you know, likemulti-organ failure.
Yeah.
And even death.
Yeah.
You know, and it's, it's justfast and it's not cool.
So, recognize the symptoms,right.
Excessive drooling.
Mm-hmm.
Excessive panting.
Mm-hmm.
Like you said.
Mm-hmm.
Dry nose.
(14:35):
And, and this is all incombination, right?
So if your dog has a dry nose,don't start freaking out and
being like, oh my God, he is gotheat stroke.
Right?
Yeah.
He needs more than just a drynose.
Yeah.
And then you got your vomiting.
Trouble breathing.
Lethargy.
Mm-hmm.
Like you said mm-hmm.
Disorientation.
Mm-hmm.
And unsteadiness.
Like they're drunk.
Muscle tremors.
So some of these actually iswhen I tell Fosters, do not run
(15:00):
with a damn puppy.
Yeah.
Because some of these signs areactually, it's not heat stroke
per se, but it's like over...
Exertion.
Over exertion.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It's the same because their bodyis overheating because you have
forced them to do too much.
To do too much.
Yeah.
So that means too that you haveto be careful about what times
you go out with your dog.
(15:21):
Mm-hmm.
And a lot of dogs will somewhatself monitor their activity
obviously.
Right.
Puppies won't, but you know,like a dog, your dog might balk
at going on a walk mm-hmm.
At noon because it's toofreaking hot.
Mm-hmm.
Your dog's like, no, I think I'mjust gonna lay here on the tile.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
So obviously, you know, takingyour dog for a walk earlier or
later Right.
Or keeping it short when it'shot out(mm-hmm) is really
(15:44):
important because(right) yourdog can overheat.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Especially if it is a puppy oris a brachiocephalic dog.
Yeah.
And it doesn't even have to behot weather.
No, no.
This is, you just like forcingthem to do much too much
overexertion.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So the other symptoms of, heatstroke, Besides, being the
drunken sailor of disorientationand unsteadiness, you've got
(16:06):
your muscle tremors.
You've got your diarrheasometimes.
Oh yeah.
Restlessness.
'cause they can't getcomfortable, right?
Mm-hmm.
Seizures, like I said.
The heat will get Miller going.
And he's too stupid not to comeinside.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
He's been having like moreseizures and we've got the air
conditioner in here, we've gotall the fans.
Mm-hmm.
And then, you know, respiratoryarrest, that's your mm-hmm.
(16:27):
Oh, heart attack.
Your whining or growling?
Uh, mm-hmm.
Yeah.
'cause they, they're just souncomfortable.
And, discolored gums.
Yes.
They're whitish.
Mm-hmm.
Because they don't have enoughblood and moisture and they turn
white'cause it's like a form ofshock.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
So those are the symptoms ofheat stroke.
What do you do then if your doghas gotten into this state?
(16:52):
I'm glad you asked.
All right.
So hyperthermia, which is themedical terminology for heat
stroke?
It's an immediate medicalemergency, so, What you have to
do is reduce their bodytemperature.
And then some websites and stuffwill say, oh, use ice, don't you
(17:13):
ever, ever, ever.
Mm-hmm.
It's too drastic.
It's well, yeah, and you knowwhat?
ICE can actually burn.
So, mm-hmm.
You need to slowly andcontrolled, reduce their
temperature.
And the best way to do that iscool water, make it cool.
Not warm.
No, not super cold either.
Yeah.
(17:33):
Because you're gonna shock theirsystem.
So it has to be cool water andthen you can pour it over their
head.
Or wet towels.
Wet towels, exactly.
So, cool water.
On the head, kind of likepeople, right?
Mm-hmm.
Because our temporal, veins arein our head.
Mm-hmm.
So when you do like a cool clothover your forehead, it, you're
(17:53):
hitting your blood veins.
Mm-hmm.
So cool blood has to go through.
When you're circulating, youwant to cool your blood
basically to help cool yourbody.
So those points would be yourhead.
Your stomach.
Mm-hmm.
Your armpits.
Mm-hmm.
And your feet.
Mm-hmm.
Because remember, dogs kind oflike quote unquote sweat through
(18:13):
their feet.
Yeah.
And you don't wanna give a lotof water.
Like, just a little bit becausethey would drink too much and
then throw up.
Well, right.
And I mean, because you're like,oh my God, we have to, you know,
like, get this under controlright away.
Mm-hmm.
'cause you're freaking out.
Mm-hmm.
Don't freak out.
Mm-hmm.
It has to be slow, and gradual.
I mean, not super slow,obviously.
(18:34):
Yeah.
But don't go from heat, stroketo ice, I mean...
Exactly.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
That's, that's what we'resaying.
So, I mean, like with people, weput it on our wrists.
Yeah.
'cause our blood, I, I run mywrist under cold water.
You're car, I'm you're carotid.
Um mm-hmm.
They, yeah.
That's why they have the neck.
Yeah.
Cooler things.
Mm-hmm.
And they work really wellactually.
Yeah.
But dogs don't have that.
(18:54):
But you know what dogs do have,they have, or the swamp coat.
Mm.
They have cooling, bandanas andvests.
And mats too.
Yeah.
The reason why they call it aswamp coat.
'cause like in the south right,you have your kind of like swamp
ac mm-hmm.
Which is basically, a chunk ofice with a fan blowing on the
ice.
Mm-hmm.
And so it cools the room mm-hmm.
Because you've got the icewater, like(mm-hmm) cooling the
(19:17):
air, and then it's blowing that,so the swamp coats it's kind of
like the idea of hosing a dogdown.
Make'em cool mm-hmm.
And damp.
Mm-hmm.
And you put it on the dog.
Mm-hmm.
And it kind of cools thembecause, you know, we, you still
have air circulating whenthey're running.
Mm-hmm.
Stuff like that.
I think Outward Hound orsomething like, might make
something like that probably.
Yeah.
(19:38):
And then if you're using, thecool wet cloths or whatever, you
have to rotate them.
Refresh them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Because otherwise they're takingin the heat and they're keeping
the heat.
Yeah.
Then they would radiate it backlike a blanket.
Yeah.
So you have to keep making sureit's cool.
And then, that's one of the, thebest ways to get their
temperature down.
(19:59):
Mm-hmm.
Until you can, if it's anextreme case, that's how you're
keeping'em cool until you get tothe hospital.
To the, to the vet.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And then if their bodytemperature is too high, which
we're talking like 106 degreesand it's prolonged(mm) you're
gonna look at, you know, likepossibly permanent brain kidney
(Mm-hmm) you know, like someother organ damage Yeah.
(20:21):
'cause of that elevatedtemperature.
Yeah.
Like the elevated temperature ofyour body, if it's too high and
it causes seizures, it'sbasically...
Frying your brain.
Exactly.
Your brain on drugs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there's three stages actuallyof heat related illnesses.
And heat stroke is the very lastone.
(20:41):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
But, and hopefully you don'thave to deal with heat stroke,
but we briefly talked about likeheat exhaustion.
Mm-hmm.
But there's also heat stress,which is like, similar to heat,
exhaustion.
Well, and these are things thatpeople can go through too.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And then heat exhaustion is amilder form(mm-hmm) of heat
stroke.
Mm-hmm.
cause heat stroke you're talkingabout a body temperature of 105
(21:02):
or over.
Yeah.
Well, and for people you stopsweating.
You're very dry.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
At that point.
Mm-hmm.
You are in distress.
Major distress.
Yeah.
So heat exhaustion is when theirtemperature elevated.
Mm-hmm.
But not over 104.
104 over.
We're talking heat stroke.
And then, you can offer themlike, everything in moderation,
(21:24):
right?
Yes.
Like you don't want to, make thecooling temperature too cold,
right?
Because you're gonna shock them.
You don't want to give them, nomatter how.
Much they want to drink mm-hmm.
Because they're so hot.
Small sips.
Mm-hmm.
Like a couple licks and thengive it a few minutes Exactly.
And then a couple licks and giveit a few minutes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you give them a bucket ofwater, they're gonna drink it
(21:45):
and throw it up, and thenthey're gonna be in worse
position.
Right.
Yeah.
And then if you have like a fanlike around you, then obviously
having them in a fan whileyou're cooling them(mm-hmm) is
helpful.
So we need to think about the,the pavement too.
Even a light colored concretesidewalk gets pretty hot.
I mean, especially in Georgiawith that Hot asphalt.
(22:06):
Yeah.
The black top the roads.
Mm-hmm.
The parking lots, they getreally hot.
So what's a test you can do tosee if it's too hot for your
dog?
What a lot of people do is pressyour hand against the, I mean,
and you saw me doing this whenwe were at the White River
Amphitheater.
Yeah.
I was putting my hand down on itwas because it was hot, but it
wasn't, it was hot, but itwasn't sunny.
(22:27):
It wasn't that bad.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
But I was like, pressing my handdown on the pavement.
Mm-hmm.
I was impressed though, that thepeople there, were like, oh, do
you need to, you know, drop themoff because of the pavement?
Like I was pleasantly surprisedthat they thought of that.
Right.
And that is a factor.
So, on a really hot day, we dohave to go and drop the dogs off
and not have them walk in thepavement.
(22:47):
Right, right.
Especially the babies.
Mm-hmm.
Because you gotta figure, likethe babies, their paws are not
as calloused mm-hmm.
As, an adult because everythingwith them, it's just like new.
Mm-hmm.
Fresh.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
And then so, when you're walkingduring the day, and you press
your hand down on the pavement,keep it pressed down for like
(23:08):
seven to eight minutes.
Seconds.
That Oh, yeah.
Seven to eight minutes just tosit there with your hand, like,
like when people walking by.
It's a good time to meditate,you know, and teaching your dog
how to sit and stay, you know,seven to eight minutes.
So basically we call it, it's aseven second test.
Mm-hmm.
If it's too hot for you, it'stoo hot for them.
(23:28):
Yeah.
You know?
Um, and then, and then like Isaid, like.
Puppies, even more so.
So there are other things thatyou can do to keep your dog cool
to prevent heat stroke, toprevent heat exhaustion.
We talked quickly about walkingand taking them for walks and
potty breaks at different timesof the day.
Mm-hmm.
When it's not so hot.
Mm-hmm.
always making sure that there'sshade available.
(23:50):
If there's not shade available,like that's gonna be a problem.
Mm-hmm.
Obviously always wateravailable.
But you still have to monitorthat because, we had a puppy
that just drank so much water,it almost died.
So water toxicity, toxicity is areal thing.
And if your dog, just keeps inthe cycle of drinking water to
cool down mm-hmm.
Then it could potentially getwater toxicity too.
(24:11):
Right?
Yeah.
Then also where do you put yourwater, right?
Like if, if your dog's outsideand you put a bowl of water
outside for your dog, like tomake sure that, they're staying
hydrated.
Mm-hmm.
Don't put it out where the sunis.
No.
Put it in the shade, butremember the shade moves.
Right.
So, you know, you gotta payattention to that too.
Yes.
Yes.
Because you don't want themdrinking hot water.
(24:31):
No.
And you know, don't do strenuousactivities like running or
playing Frisbee or, or thingslike that when it's hot.
I mean, chances are your dog arenot gonna wanna do it anyways.
If it's over 75 at the kennels,most of the dogs don't even
wanna go outside.
And we have, we have to makethem.
Yeah.
Or some of'em, so they're like,I wanna be outdoors, but not, so
(24:54):
their body is inside with theair conditioning, and then their
head...
Is sticking out the door.
Is sticking out the door.
Mm-hmm.
So they're like, I'm kind ofoutside.
So we keep it 70 degrees in thekennels all the time.
Mm-hmm.
So it's either warm or cool,depending on what's going on
outside.
And so the dogs always have thatopportunity to be refreshed.
(25:15):
They can go outside, still layon the concrete, which is in the
shade.
Mm-hmm.
Because we have a roof over it.
Right.
And then, On hot days, we justlet them out for potty and...
yeah.
Like, you know, little 15 minuteincrements.
Mm-hmm.
Or whatever.
But yeah, we don't allowextensive playing when it's hot.
Right.
Yeah.
Okay.
Like there are dogs who haveburned the bottom of their feet
(25:39):
from walking on the pavement.
So you have to really, I meanthe, the air temperature and
correlation to the asphalt orthe pavement is, in Celcius...
I would say it's gotta be 20degrees...
It says here, so at 125 degreesFahrenheit, skin destruction can
(26:02):
happen in 60 seconds.
Mm-hmm.
And then, and then you're like,oh, 125 degrees.
It's not 125 degrees, but didyou know the asphalt temperature
can reach 125 degrees only at 77degrees?
When the air is 77.
Temperatures on the asphalt canreach 125.
Huh?
I would've thought about 20degrees.
(26:22):
Like I would've thought then theasphalt was like a hundred
degrees or something like that.
That's pretty shocking.
Yeah.
So I mean, but 20 degrees iskind of right for concrete.
Oh, okay.
You know, so like, for example,if the temperature is 85 degrees
your concrete is 105 degrees,and your asphalt is 130 degrees.
(26:44):
Mm-hmm.
No, wait 120.
Yeah, no, 130 degrees at like 85degrees.
So that's almost double.
Yeah.
Whatever.
It's really fricking hot.
It's 46.7%.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did you know that an egg can,fry in five minutes at a hundred
and like at that 85 degreetemperature?
(27:08):
Wow.
I believe it.
Yeah.
People do it on TikTok.
You can watch.
We, you know what?
I've never, we've never tried.
I've never tried it.
I've never tried it either.
Now I'm curious.
I like the, I mean, I neverwanna be in weather this cold,
but where you throw a pot of hotwater out the window and it just
instantly turns into snow.
Because it's so cold.
It's that in Alaska?
Yeah.
Or like Greenland, Wisconsin orsomething.
(27:30):
Canadians say maybe theCanadians.
Mm-hmm.
I'll ask Gary.
Mm-hmm.
I'll be like, have you everthrown?
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Um, and then, So we talked aboutconcrete and cement, right?
Cement, cement, cement, cement,cement.
(27:51):
I love when you come up withthese, you suddenly say
something weird.
I can say whatever I want, andthen, okay.
You can, but it's just funny.
A Oh, who's that?
I don't know.
I went to the bathroom and Iaccidentally locked Axl out of
the room and he was telling hewas knocking with his paw.
(28:12):
Yeah.
Someone needs to adopt him.
He's like an amazing dog.
He's so good.
He's such a good dog.
And.
He's not really a husky, whichis like the best part about him.
Ah, he's, he's got his leg,stuck in my bag.
Okay.
Maybe you're not the brightestdog, but you're the nicest dog.
(28:32):
Yeah.
We love you.
Yeah.
He's, he's the anti husky, likeTut is the anti Bengal, right?
The lazy, clumsy Bengal.
Yeah.
That I have.
He's...
I mean, look at his coloringtoo.
I know he can't be full husky.
I think he is.
I wonder what he's with.
I don't know.
Anyway.
Okay.
Back to the stories.
He's so happy.
He's like, hi, thanks forletting me in.
(28:53):
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Anyway.
All right, so we talked aboutconcrete and cement, cement.
Okay.
At 95 degrees, cement can heat,to as high as 125.
You know what it's like pecanand pecan.
Like pecan.
Don't say that.
No, it's not.
No one says cement.
Cement.
I do.
Unless you're an old man fromthe south.
(29:14):
A cement, cement and burn hot inGeorgia.
Asphalt.
Um, what?
The king of the hill.
I picture that guy going Cement.
Okay.
So when I was watching the Kingof the Hill, I was thinking that
that main king of the hill dudewas my dad.
That's funny.
I can picture, that's funny.
I don't even know your dad, butI can totally picture that.
(29:36):
Anyway, so blacktop or asphaltat 87 degrees can heat up to as
high as 143 degrees.
Sand mmm, at around 90 degreesit can get as hot as 120 to 130.
So think about that on thebeaches, right?
Yeah.
(29:56):
Yeah.
I mean, there were times inFlorida where I couldn't walk to
the water by myself.
Mm-hmm.
That's why you got flip flops.
With flip flops.
Yeah, then I wore my flip flopsin the water and then I got
totally knocked down.
I was supposed to be holdingLeisha up and I totally fell
down.
That's so crazy.
And then this one, I don't know.
'cause I guess we don't reallyhave.
(30:16):
A lot of 95 degree weather uphere, but it says grass at 95
degrees grass is about 105 inthe sun and 91 in the shade.
Hmm.
I don't know that I agree on.
Well, I mean, I could see that,but that's within a realm of
comfort for a dog.
I mean, maybe not when it'ssuper hot out, but mm-hmm.
(30:38):
That's within their dog's bodytemperature, so it wouldn't be
considered.
Well, I mean, yeah, hot.
Hot.
It's hot.
It would be hot for us.
Yeah.
'cause I mean, 125(mm-hmm) iswhen the skin will start mm-hmm.
Burning, like their paws were.
Mm-hmm.
But still, I mean, I would thinkthat the grass at 95 degree
temperature would be too hot fora baby.
Yeah.
(30:58):
Probably.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I'll have to ask a vet.
any vets listening, that don'twanna hurt us, right?
Don't wanna hate on us?
Mm-hmm.
You can hate on me.
I don't care.
Pate's in charge of all thevetting stuff, so.
Yeah.
Hate on me.
I'm just the one that bitchesabout it more., So I mean, yeah,
(31:20):
oh, he found the alien also.
Did he get in your bag again?
No, no.
He's got the alien that's Axlwith his totally entertaining
himself.
Yes.
See, he's self entertaining.
He's, he's so good.
Someone adopt this damn dog.
Mm-hmm.
I love you, Axel.
Yeah, he's a good dog.
So anyway.
Okay.
That's it, Don't walk your dogduring the day.
Don't when it's really hot.
(31:42):
Is the moral of the story.
Don't lock them in the car.
Don't lock them in the car.
That's the moral of that story.
Leave them at home.
But actually sometimes, likeyour house can be hotter.
So get air conditioning.
Mm-hmm.
Well, you know, with no units.
Come on man.
Think about a boat too.
I mean, I go on boats and ifthere's no shade on the boat, I
want to die after a few hours.
(32:04):
All I wanna do is get off thatboat and go in the shade.
So if you're bringing your dogon your boat and there's no
shade, think about that too.
Mm-hmm.
Like, I literally wanna die.
Yeah.
When people tell me they wannatake me on a boat, I'm like,
excited.
But I'm like, is there a cover?
Right.
Because I, I get so worn out.
Yeah.
(32:24):
I remember.
I mean, I'm trying to think likewhen I was in Thailand and stuff
like that, you know,'cause it'shot as hell.
Like you would look at thestreet dogs and they were not
stupid enough to be walkingaround during the day.
I mean, and look at our rabbitsand stuff like that.
I mean, there's a reason thatthey go and eat at.
Dusk and they go and eat atdawn.
(32:47):
Actually, maybe it's'cause ofpredators, but nonetheless,
they're smart, is what I'msaying.
When it's hot, you know, but I'mthinking about the street dogs
in Thailand and stuff like that,and I don't think I've seen too
many of them roaming around.
Mm-hmm.
I think they're sleeping duringthe day, like a siesta.
Mm-hmm.
You know, and then they're outand about at night, you know?
Because they're smart enough notto.
(33:07):
Yeah.
Well you have to like, It's likecultural.
Like in Africa, everybody takesa nap in the middle of the day
'cause it's too freaking hot.
Yeah.
So all the animals do.
All the people do.
And then...
Have you seen the lions?
What is he doing?
I don't know.
He's got a bone or something andhe's got it under the bed and so
he's making a clunking noise.
(33:28):
Well, we're almost done anyways.
Okay, fine.
Remember when you were sleeping?
All right, well, that's all wehave time for today.
My name's Jamie.
I'm Pate.
And this is our podcast RescueShit.
Rock On.
Rescue on.
Woo-hoo.
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