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jme (00:00):
Hi, I'm Jamie.
Pate (00:01):
I'm Patti.
This is Motley Zoo AnimalRescue.
jme (00:04):
And our podcast, Rescue Ships.
Today, we're going to talk aboutpet technology.
Pate (00:12):
In specifically, in specifically.
jme (00:16):
I haven't heard that in a long time.
Pate (00:18):
Um, yeah.
Anyway, we're talking about GPScollars.
jme (00:21):
Well, that's one of the things, yes.
So, GPS collars, people like tohave them on, I suppose, if you
have an outdoor, like, herdingdog, or you have a lot of
property, it's a large dog, ahunting dog, a Working dog may
be the more acceptable situationfor them to be kind of running
around without you.
Pate (00:42):
If you like to hike.
jme (00:43):
Yeah, most situations, well even hiking they're supposed to
be on leash.
Yeah.
Well around here.
They're supposed to be.
So having a GPS might be a handything for you.
But we want to just kind of talkabout some of the things.
That you should know about them,what different kinds there are.
(01:03):
And then we'll talk about someother technology too.
Pate (01:06):
Right.
We first were introduced to GBScollars when we, worked with Soi
Dog.
Right.
Now, unfortunately we cannotcontinue that relationship with
Soi Dog because Washington isstill one of the States that
doesn't allow animals frominternational.
Yeah.
Certain, certain countries.
(01:27):
are not allowed to bring dogshere.
Soi Dog is still sending dogsover to the US, but not to
Washington.
Which is, you know, kind ofunfortunate.
jme (01:37):
So before the pandemic, we worked with a Korean rescue.
We work with Soi Dog inThailand.
I actually got to go visit them,last summer, which was really
cool.
It was.
It's awesome to be able to seetheir, you know, their facility.
We knew about them for a longtime and they approached us
about becoming a partner.
And at the time it was cheaperto send the dogs.
(01:58):
We gave them a discounted ratefor vetting.
So you know, instead of paying800 for a pet, we paid much less
than that for their vet care.
They made up the difference.
So even with transportation,getting the animals here was
relatively easy.
Pate (02:15):
We only took a handful at a time.
jme (02:16):
Oh, yeah.
I mean, we always say we look inour own backyard first, but,
when you know what the plight ofanimals in other countries are,
you can't turn a blind eye.
Pate (02:26):
Well, I mean, especially me, because I know it
personally.
Because, I actually was born inThailand.
Bangkok, actually.
And then being an oil brat, wewent home frequently, so I, I've
always, always known about thestreet dogs.
I've always had issues, I'mlike, oh, let's stop, we gotta
get those puppies, let's stop,let's do this, let's do that.
(02:48):
And, I would spend so much moneyon the street vendors to have
chicken.
To me and fried chicken, to giveto the street dogs because I was
a kid and there was nothing elseI could do.
And so for me to know that therewas something I could do now
(03:09):
when I was helpless when I wasyounger was, it was kind of like
a personal thing for me to, totake, Thai dogs.
jme (03:19):
Well, and during the pandemic, they had this problem
where someone had sent, and webelieve it was a shady, sketchy
breeders, in China or somewherelike that, that don't care about
the animals.
They're sending them over at sixweeks, way too young.
And someone got a dog withrabies.
(03:39):
And so that was a big problem.
But what they decided to do wasjust.
Cancel all transports, notrecognizing that, rescues only
fly dogs over six monthstypically, and they always have
rabies vaccines.
We care about what's happeningand we don't want.
To jeopardize the situation.
So we're not going to take arisk, right?
Someone's selling for profit.
(04:00):
They don't give a shit.
So they're going to do it.
So they ruined it for everybody.
Pate (04:03):
Yeah.
And just sad because Soi Dogdoes a lot for their dogs.
I mean, surgeries, those, theydo like blood tests.
They're doing heartworm tests.
They're doing heartwormtreatments.
I mean, they are treating thesedogs.
They are caring for these dogs.
Very well, better than somerescue organizations in the U.
(04:25):
S.
Yet, like one bad apple spoils abunch, man.
Yeah, and so instead of takingit individually, the
government's like, yep, everyonefrom this country, because we
can't, you know, be bothered tocheck, you know, all these
rescues out, personally, we'rejust gonna do a blanket
statement.
jme (04:44):
Yeah.
And there were A lot ofcountries that we couldn't,
there were 114, I seem toremember that we, that the
United States stopped takinganimals from and Thailand was
one of them.
Yeah.
But even after the pandemic,Korea was open for us taking
animals.
However, the cost of that bylike threefold and
Pate (05:04):
2000
jme (05:05):
Yeah, and we all agreed.
This is not worth worth it.
Like we're waste.
I don't want to say wastingmoney, but, but we can't spend
2, 000 transporting a dog.
I mean, that's just,
Pate (05:15):
we actually, had a sponsor for that.
And those specifically forKorean dogs.
jme (05:21):
Yeah.
And those dogs were being savedprimarily from the meat trade.
They were being.
Raised and killed and often nottreated well because part of the
belief of being afraid makes themeat taste better.
So it's not just eating the dog,which I know which well Yeah,
(05:43):
but It it's not just eating thedog that is reprehensible.
It is How they do it and howthey live and how they die
Pate (05:52):
kind of like our factory farms here.
jme (05:55):
Yeah That one's a tough one.
Anyway, we want to move on toGPS collars.
So we were introduced to the GPScollars by Soi Dog, and it was a
requirement as part of ourpartnership that one, we not
open the crates in the airport.
Yeah, I don't let the dogs getout
Pate (06:15):
in the wrong way.
I mean, in the right, I got introuble for it in the right way.
jme (06:18):
Pate was defending that rule because one of the other
rescues was not abiding by it.
Pate (06:23):
Correct.
jme (06:23):
They opened the crate of our dog and that our dog got bit
them.
And then they said.
It was horrible.
And Pate just yelled at them andsaid, you shouldn't have opened
our dog's crate.
Like you're not supposed to dothat at all.
Don't touch our dogs.
The dog was blind.
Pate (06:39):
Yeah.
And scared
jme (06:40):
and scared a transport.
And why don't open the crate inthe airport?
Pate (06:45):
It was busy.
I mean, he's blind.
So he's hearing everything andhe's feeling everything.
jme (06:50):
Well, and another one, a long time ago, a foster, their
sister was giving up their dog.
And they flew the dog here, andwe said do not open the crate in
the airport.
The dog had bitten somebody.
And, not, not in the airport,like in the home.
And that's why she was coming tous.
(07:10):
Part of why they, they didn'twant her anymore.
So the woman, unfortunately,opened the crate in the airport.
The dog was running through theairport, loose, and a police
officer had to help.
Thank God, she didn't bitesomebody, especially the police
officer.
Yeah, we were like, yep.
That's why we said don't openthe crate.
Pate (07:31):
Mm hmm.
jme (07:32):
So don't open.
Pate (07:33):
She's like, who are you?
Oh my god, I'm out of here.
jme (07:36):
Don't open the crate unless you're in a secure area
Pate (07:39):
Quiet.
Yes and secure.
jme (07:41):
So anyway, their requirement was We'll provide
you the GPS collars, you pay forthe service, and any adopter has
to continue the service for atleast three months or six months
or something.
Pate (07:53):
A year?
Yeah, I thought it was a year.
jme (07:54):
I don't know.
I can't remember.
It was at least three to sixmonths.
Yeah.
And this is because they haddogs go missing.
The dogs are used to being onthe streets.
They are scared of people.
They don't know what to do.
And so sometimes they getspooked.
And they run away.
Pate (08:11):
Especially at the beginning.
Yeah.
You know?
A lot of, I mean, cause you'regoing, you're coming from the
tropics.
And you're like, all of a suddenyou're dumped in Seattle where
it's cold.
You know?
It's culture shock.
jme (08:26):
Mm hmm.
One of the dogs that we got fromTaiwan.
In the early days, yeah, Taiwan,I forgot about that, but in the
early days, she got loose.
She pulled the leash out of thefoster's hand, and when she was
running away, she stepped on herown leash, had the martingale
on, corrected herself, and juststopped and stood there because
(08:49):
she didn't think she could moveanymore.
So they were able to approachher and get her, but that's not
always likely to happen either.
Pate (08:55):
Yeah.
So, yeah, and that's not gonnahappen with a Thai dog.
jme (08:59):
No, because they're like, I'm out of here.
Yeah.
So Tractive was the brand thatthey used.
And, explain a little bit abouthow it works.
Pate (09:07):
So Tractive is a GPS collar.
Actually, it's a, it's a devicethat you attach to the collar.
They've got like a little clipon, and you have your app where
you can track it.
The dog, actually, you knowwhat, G and Mika Mika have
tractive.
Tracy got tractives for them.
(09:28):
But, um,
jme (09:29):
Is that because she takes them to the beach and stuff?
And they're
Pate (09:33):
I have no idea why she got tractive.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Um, I don't know, like, I mean,cause Tameka's got a prey drive.
She's a Malinois and, they liveon the island and there's deer,
you know, not that I don't knowthat Tameka has ever gotten out
of their fence yard.
But anyway, this is someonebeing better safe than sorry.
(09:53):
Which is, you know, like we saidin our previous podcast about
lost dogs, GPS collars are yourbackup plan.
And so that's Tracy, she's got,she's got that backup plan in
place.
It's square ish or whatever andthen there's the clip on the
back So the collar goes inbetween and you clip it on the
(10:14):
collar the I like that Becauseyou can wash the collar, right?
But at the same time I've alwayswondered Like and I've never
researched this really like howoften It could break.
It could come off, right?
Because it's just a clip.
jme (10:31):
Well, and from what we read, they use cell phone towers
and satellite.
So they use those two tools to,pinpoint where the dog is at,
one of the things that I worriedabout initially when we were
talking about microchipping andthat kind of thing, there was a
concern that microchips couldcause cancer.
(10:53):
And they don't because they area passive device.
Mm hmm.
So You need to sweep a wand overwhich sends out a radio signal.
It bounces back that radiosignal and that's how you get
the number.
The radio frequency.
Yeah, but it's not on until youuse the wand.
But it's not transmitting onlyif you use the wand.
(11:15):
So it's a completely passivedevice.
It's just a little thing in thebody.
So, you know, they don't
Pate (11:20):
Size of a grain of rice.
jme (11:22):
Yeah, so they don't cause cancer.
And I know how popular GPS isnow and that was a concern
initially.
You know, maybe we should talkabout Fi too before we go into
that.
Pate (11:34):
Yeah, so the three that's more often used here, in this
area is the Tractive and the Fi.
F I.
Yep, it's F I.
We have that.
Soi Dog went from Tractive to Fiand then the third one, I see so
many air tags on dogs, right?
jme (11:55):
Well, and the, the Fi uses Wi Fi also.
Wi Fi, cellular, and satellite.
So they say it's a uniquecombination of ways to
triangulate where the animal is,and that it can be more
effective than tractive, whichonly uses the two options.
So, That's just something toknow but the Fi also does other
(12:19):
things.
Pate (12:19):
Yeah, and then so that's more anecdotal Like some people
like Tractive better than Phi.
We have a Phi.
Gary, my husband who's the leadtrainer He got a Phi for Rob our
Husky
jme (12:35):
Model citizen.
Pate (12:36):
I know.
jme (12:37):
Who didn't want to be on our podcast recently.
She's a rude bitch.
She was ignoring us.
Pate (12:41):
But because Gary is starting to work with them to
do, Search and Rescue, andAgain, backup plan.
She's very,
jme (12:51):
she's so attached to him.
Pate (12:53):
I was going to say, yeah, I was going to say like, I don't
even know that, you know, we gohiking or whatever that she
would ever leave him.
But again, backup plan, causeyou never know.
And so what Gary loves about thePhi is that not only can he see
what she's doing, where she'sgoing, everything like that,
because, stalker dad, no,helicopter dad, right?
(13:15):
The Phi will also, Kind of belike a Fitbit, you know?
jme (13:19):
Transmits health and activity data.
Pate (13:21):
And he's like, Ah, that bitch took more naps than I did
today.
Or, Oh, steps.
Well, nap too.
He's like, she's been sleepingfor three hours.
You know?
And then they come out here atnight, and at the end of the
day, he'll compare their steps.
And he's like, God, she gotdouble my steps.
And I was like, well, Same ashow she runs back and forth.
back and forth while you'rewalking forward.
(13:43):
Cause she likes to investigate.
She likes to say hi to her newsquirrel friends and, you know,
pee around the perimeter.
So the coyotes don't come onproperty and stuff like that.
So yeah, she does definitely getin more steps than her dad and
there's proof now.
jme (13:57):
Well in the fi is its own collar.
Is it made of silicone?
Pate (14:02):
No, it's.
No, it's, it's, um, you knowwhat, it feels, it feels like
canvas, you know, like if youhave an Apple watch or whatever,
it feels like a normal collar,right?
It feels like a Max and Neocollar.
What is that?
What is that?
jme (14:15):
Okay, that, that's nylon webbing.
Pate (14:17):
Okay.
Okay.
Is it?
Oh, I thought it was, I don'tknow.
I thought it was material likecotton or something.
jme (14:23):
No, it's nylon webbing.
Cotton would.
Weaken and rot.
Pate (14:27):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So anyway, it's durable.
It's a nice sleek design.
I mean, it looks good.
So if you're about looks, itlooks good.
jme (14:38):
And this unit is The collar.
Yeah, exactly.
It's not, it doesn't come offlike the tractive, but one of
the disadvantages you weresaying is that you can't then
wash the collar.
Pate (14:48):
Right.
The risk of it coming off thedog is definitely lower, but if
you have a muddy dog, have funwith that.
Yeah.
Well, I'm sure you can wash it,but, but you have to wash it by
hand.
Right.
So, yeah.
jme (15:01):
Being as this is then an active device and it's
constantly transmitting betweenthe dog and the towers and
satellites, there has been aconcern that that could cause
They've done studies and saidthat the frequency is such a low
(15:21):
radiation that your cell phoneis worse.
And I don't know.
I don't think we'll be surprisedwhen they tell us.
definitely cell phones and Wi Ficause cancer.
I mean, it's just a matter oftime.
Pate (15:33):
Right.
But, but I mean, the thing is,is also depending, because it's
such a low frequency and theradiation that's emitted is
definitely not like radiationlike an x ray, right?
Where it's gonna change yourcellular What's the word I'm
looking for
jme (15:50):
like damage the cellular content or the
Pate (15:53):
yeah, it's gonna screw with your cells.
jme (15:55):
Mm hmm Yeah, yeah, um, this is why I hate using the thing at
the airport, too Like I don'twant to be x rayed every time I
travel.
I love when I get the metaldetector Some for some reason.
Pate (16:10):
Oh, so you're like you're like the microchip
jme (16:13):
carrying the dog Through on on trips is a pain Direct pass
to get the metal detectorinstead of the x ray.
Pate (16:20):
But then you have to wonder, like, the metal
detector.
I don't know.
Oh, how would that work?
Cause it's not an x, what?
Cause you know my son has apacemaker.
jme (16:31):
So he would have to go through the metal detector,
right?
Pate (16:34):
No, they don't.
jme (16:35):
Hmm.
Do they just wand him?
Pate (16:38):
I don't, may, I don't know.
jme (16:41):
Well, I know that having the dog with me, it ensures that
I don't need to go through the xray thing, so I do like that.
But, so all the information outthere says there's no too low
risk.
Pate (16:54):
Right.
jme (16:55):
And you shouldn't worry about it.
However, when, then it comes tothe, Apple tags, what?
Pate (17:00):
Well, I was gonna say, like, also, such, since it's
such a low frequency, and adog's lifespan is shorter than
ours.
If it was going to cause cancerfrom long term exposure, maybe
that long term is longer than 20years.
jme (17:18):
Right.
You know?
Yeah.
Like, would we even know?
Right.
If that's what's, what'shappening.
Pate (17:22):
So maybe it does cause cancer.
But the dogs, their longevityisn't,
jme (17:26):
yeah, pets aren't going to live long enough to, to
experience that.
Right.
I cut you off.
Pate (17:31):
No, no, no, no worries.
Cause I was thinking, you know,like by the time, like a lot of
people, like say colon,colonoscopies, for example, they
tell you to get them when you'relike what, 50,
jme (17:42):
45.
Pate (17:42):
Well, I mean, I know, but before it was before it was 50.
jme (17:45):
Yeah.
Pate (17:46):
Um, a dog.
Wouldn't need a colonoscopy.
No, you know even even 50 andthen we mark it down to 45 even
if we mark it down to 40 So, youknow like certain types of
cancers and stuff like that mayI mean these could cause cancer
to that extent, but they don'tlive 45 years Right or whatever
jme (18:08):
and obviously again, this is just our kind of like
Pate (18:11):
and it's still new
jme (18:11):
logical rational Understanding expectations
about, like, I really do thinkthat they're going to find out
that Wi Fi causes cancer.
And, are we going to stop usingWi Fi?
No.
Are we going to stop using cellphones?
No.
So, you know, we're not going todo that.
But, it, it is, it makes a lotof sense.
Just, like, living nearelectrical lines, those big
(18:34):
electrical towers can be aproblem and can cause cancer.
There are just certain things,like, electromagnetic fields and
things like that, that, theymess with your body, so.
But the
Pate (18:44):
Sometimes in a good way though.
jme (18:45):
Right.
Apple iTag, we found
Pate (18:48):
AirTag.
jme (18:48):
Jesus, why did I, yeah.
Apple AirTag Everything's an i,right?
Except for their AirTags.
Was never really meant to be onpets or living creatures?
Pate (18:57):
I think it was supposed to be like on your luggage and
stuff.
jme (18:59):
On luggage, bags, you know, things, maybe your car, I don't
know.
I don't know.
Keys, it has a different kind offrequency than has a little bit
more radiation and while theyyou know, they Will tell you
there's no risk,
Pate (19:15):
but they don't know they don't want you to they don't
want you to put them on Yeah,Apple does not want you to put
air tags on your pets.
jme (19:25):
Oh, well, that's good.
Pate (19:26):
They're supposed to be for inanimate objects.
jme (19:29):
So see, they probably do know something.
They're just not going to saythis is going to cause cancer,
but
Pate (19:34):
they probably haven't researched it, you know,
jme (19:36):
but we have anecdotal, we, yeah, no, we just did a search
and there was a Reddit.
Forum where somebody asked aboutjust one, the eye tag, and there
were at least eight storieswhere people found a tumor, uh,
where the, uh, the air tag wason, on their pet.
(19:58):
So, I don't think it'sunreasonable to think that,
especially when they tell younot to put it on a live being
just don't.
Like, don't do it.
And it seems like the, that oneis, you know, what's it called
when, not out for discussion.
What's it called when you, What?
When, when a group of peoplestill need to make a decision
(20:20):
and you say that's out.
Pate (20:23):
That it's no longer on the floor?
jme (20:25):
No, there's just like a term.
All right.
Well, it was going to be clicheanyway.
Yes.
So,
Pate (20:31):
Maybe someone can tell us what we're trying to say.
jme (20:33):
There's, there's no definitive.
Yes or no, but
Pate (20:37):
there's no actual research that they've done,
jme (20:39):
but there was enough evidence that we saw that I
wouldn't put one on my, on mypet.
Pate (20:44):
Right.
Well, I mean, if you think aboutit, there's like some, some
people, okay, so I don't do, doI call out Hartz?
Do I call them out?
Sure.
Okay, fine.
So say like Hartz brand, right?
They have a flea and tick.
medication.
We refuse to put that on ourdogs.
Right.
Has there been an actualresearch study done showing that
(21:07):
this particular brand is notlike the top tier that you
should be putting topically onyour dog.
No, there's not actual researchthat I've seen.
And I do like to research causeyou know, I'm that science nerd.
So I haven't seen actualresearch on that, but they're
like, you know, with theanecdotal data for lack of a
(21:29):
better word.
Which, I mean, that is still atype of research.
If someone got into it and gotall this data from people, that
is a type of research.
Not the best type of research,but it's still a type, data,
statistical.
They would show that the Hartzcauses a lot of, skin issues,
sometimes neurological issues,things like that.
(21:51):
So there's enough evidence fromconsumers, owners, that would
show that maybe that's not thebest thing that you should put
on your, your pet.
jme (22:00):
Before I knew, I did.
Use that.
And okay, granted, Iaccidentally bought the wrong
size.
So my dog was 10 pounds.
It was for a dog that was up to20.
She got really sick.
She was throwing up.
And she was really, really sick.
So I was like, I realized I madethe mistake.
But I don't think that thatwould necessarily happen with
(22:24):
Other types of medications thatif you gave it for a dog a
little bit bigger that it wouldmake them that sick So
Pate (22:30):
Because there's a big range.
I mean, we've got 40 to 80,right?
And that's quite a bit ofleeway.
Yeah.
You know?
jme (22:37):
Yeah.
So, in our humble opinion, a nonscientific study.
Pate (22:44):
Because it hasn't been done yet.
jme (22:45):
Yeah.
We would say, don't use an Itag.
Air tag.
Air tag.
You can tell I don't use aniPhone.
An AirTag on a pet.
They're not that reliable forthe purpose anyways because it
has a shorter range too.
So.
Pate (23:00):
Oh yeah, and not just that, the battery life.
So one of the things about Fi,I'm not, like, saying Fi is the
best, but one of the thingsthat's great about Fi
jme (23:10):
Only if they want to sponsor us.
Pate (23:11):
Yeah, hey, by the way.
jme (23:13):
Just kidding.
Pate (23:13):
Yeah, yeah.
I've got another dog doingsearch and rescue.
But anyway, Fi has, Longerbattery life.
Oh my god, the battery life isgreat.
AirTags are annoying.
When they start, because itwarns you with beeps, so we have
some dogs in our kennel thathave air tags, and when they
(23:34):
stop, they'll make beeps.
Oh my god, I think Rosa andCassidy have air tags.
jme (23:39):
Oh no.
Pate (23:40):
Oh no, we should tell them.
jme (23:41):
Yeah, we should tell them.
Pate (23:42):
Yeah.
We can be like, look, this isn'tscientific fact, but word on the
street, yeah,
jme (23:50):
the jury's out for discussion, jury's out for
deliberation.
That was my phrase.
The jury's out on that one.
Pate (23:58):
I don't think that's right either.
jme (24:01):
I'm going to say it is.
That's, that's what I'm, I'msticking to it.
So there's a lot of technologyout there.
Things are always changing.
We, try and keep up on thingsbecause sometimes things are
really useful.
Right.
But in this instance, we, wereally want to say that the GPS
is really a backup plan andshould not be your first.
Pate (24:25):
Go to
jme (24:25):
line of defense.
Pate (24:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Line of defense.
That's what you said last night.
jme (24:28):
I almost forgot again.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pate (24:31):
Yeah, definitely.
It's not the first line ofdefense.
But it's a great backup plan.
Should something happen?
Should you be separated fromyour pet for whatever reason?
jme (24:40):
if you had to fly with your pet, I would say putting a GPS
tag on or a GPS collar on yourdog could be a good idea.
Do they make you take Colors offwhen the dogs go in the kennels
at least you could maybe put anair tag on the dog's kennel but
(25:00):
mm hmm that way if yeah the dogor cat I'm gonna we we tend to
say dogs, but cats can usuallygo in the
Pate (25:12):
You know, I don't think they make cat, I'm going to have
to now we're going to have toresearch that.
jme (25:15):
What?
Pate (25:16):
Because Fi is a dog collar, it is not a cat collar.
jme (25:19):
Mm hmm.
But, but if you had to fly yourdog, I would say putting a GPS
on them would be a good ideabecause there are times when
They lose your dogs and theydon't know where they are.
Pate (25:29):
And the dogs get out of the kennel.
jme (25:31):
And when, I was going to Costa Rica and we were waiting
for our surfboards and we weretold they were gonna come down
this elevator.
Well, when the elevator opened,and we'd been waiting for half
an hour, there was a dog in akennel in there.
Pate (25:43):
Oh, geez.
jme (25:43):
Someone just put the dog in the kennel, shut the door,
didn't send the elevator down.
And the receiving person,because we actually had to ask
security guards who weren't,this was not their job, this was
not their responsibility.
We had to ask them about itbecause we'd all been waiting
for so long.
And they were very upset to findout that there was a dog in a
(26:04):
kennel, in that, elevator forover half an hour.
Pate (26:08):
I'd be pissed.
jme (26:09):
Yeah.
So it wouldn't be a bad idea ifyou, if you are not required to
take collars off of your petswhen they fly, I would say that
could be a really good thingbecause Yeah.
What if they got on the wrongplane?
Yeah.
And that's happened before.
That has happened before.
Pate (26:24):
Yeah, exactly.
And then like, you don't getyour dog, but if they had that,
GPS tracker on, then you couldlook on your app because they
conveniently have apps.
And I can tell you that, I mean,I've looked at these apps, with
Tractive.
And, Fi.
The AirTags, do they have apps?
jme (26:45):
I think so.
Pate (26:46):
I don't know.
We don't use them.
So,
jme (26:48):
yeah, and you have an iPhone too.
But yeah, I don't even know.
Pate (26:51):
I love my iPhone.
The only reason why I stick withiPhone is not because it's an
Apple or anything like that.
It's because it's got my musicon it and I don't want to get
new music.
jme (27:02):
That's funny.
I don't have any music on myphone or my computer.
Pate (27:05):
Yeah.
jme (27:06):
I don't download things.
I usually do streaming.
But
Pate (27:10):
I like to pay for my artists.
Okay.
jme (27:12):
Oh, well, but I have like gone to my streaming and
downloaded my things so that Idid have them on a car trip
because one time I was annoyedthat I couldn't listen because
the streaming was cutting it.
Pate (27:24):
Oh, yeah, exactly.
jme (27:26):
And the same now that I've been turned on to, Audiobooks.
Pate (27:30):
Yeah, you can download your audiobooks.
jme (27:30):
I would much rather listen to an audiobook than the radio,
which I used to rely on was theradio because I was just like,
whatever, I'm not driving thatmuch.
I am driving a lot and I enjoygetting in the car because I'm
reading a cool book.
Pate (27:44):
Um, I can't, I sleep to people reading to me.
jme (27:48):
Oh.
Don't do that while you'redriving.
Pate (27:50):
Yeah, no, not at all, I can't.
I mean, because I use a calm appat night and so on.
I'm like, I have tried to listento Tom Hiddleston, his whole
excerpt about Winnie the Pooh.
And we have not reached the endof that little chapter.
jme (28:07):
If Bryan reads to me, I usually fall asleep within a few
pages too, but I like the audiobooks.
Maybe I'm reading books that arestimulating.
I wouldn't fall asleep tobecause I want to know what's
happening, but yeah, audio booksis something that I recently
discovered, and I'm super intothem.
Pate (28:23):
Gary loves them.
I mean, cause he'll, because he,you know, cause he being the
lead trainer, if I haven't saidthat before, he reads a lot.
He doesn't read actually.
He listens to a lot of the dogbooks.
And, stuff like that.
So when he's working, he'slistening to, the new science,
the new,
jme (28:44):
He often uses a British male voice for his books.
Why is that?
Pate (28:51):
I don't know.
Um, I don't know.
I mean, Or maybe I just catchhim listening to the same
person.
It could be that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because that's the thing is thatlike, uh, the audio books, as
opposed to like our iPhone, um,The new iPhone update, I have to
change because I miss my Irishaccent person.
(29:12):
Oh, yeah.
jme (29:13):
Your voice changed to a guy, like a Southern guy.
And we were like, what?
I was like, this isn't Pate.
I was like, so confused.
I was like, what the heck?
Pate (29:21):
I know.
And then, and I didn't even knowabout it.
And you texted me.
You're like, why is there a guyon your, and I was like, you
know what?
That's weird.
Because I felt like my mapsperson.
got switched.
jme (29:32):
Do you know what happens to me when I'm, and Bryan can prove
this, my GPS maps lady will betalking to me and all of a
sudden she will say a sentencewith an Australian accent.
And then she will go back tospeaking normal English.
Pate (29:48):
that's just because your phone's possessed.
jme (29:52):
I have a problem with technology.
Things don't work for me the waythat they work for everybody
else.
And this is proven.
This is not me just saying that.
Pate (30:00):
It's not anecdotal.
It's for sure.
jme (30:02):
It's freaking for sure.
They think they, meaning myfriends and people close to me,
think I have some kind of weirdmagnetic field.
Pate (30:10):
Yeah.
jme (30:11):
Or I've also been told I'm just cursed or haunted.
Pate (30:15):
Yeah, see that's what I'm saying.
You're haunted.
Which is why I hope that you getyour computer soon because
jme (30:21):
We're using patty's computer.
I'm using Pate's new computer.
Pate (30:24):
So she better not taint it.
jme (30:27):
Yeah, I didn't even think about that
Pate (30:28):
You know where you pass that curse along.
Yeah, like freaking the ringwhere here's the video Yeah your
turn
jme (30:37):
i'm not gonna pass my technology cooties on to you,
okay But yeah.
All right.
Well, I think that's really allthat we have to say about GPS
and callers and that kind oftechnology.
Pate (30:49):
Yeah.
We're sure there's other GPScallers out there, but these are
the three that, like I said,that we have.
Worked with.
Yeah.
And that people here, I feellike air tags are one of the
more popular ones just becausethey're easy.
I don't think you need asubscription, whereas like
Tractive and Fi, you pay amonthly subscription.
(31:10):
And then having the Phi be, youknow, aesthetically pleasing, as
well as having that whole likeFitbit thing, um, that was one
of the reasons why Gary got thatfor Rob, so personally, like we
have Fi.
Tracy has Tractive are her twomonsters.
But we do see a lot of air tagsand it is a little concerning to
(31:33):
hear.
Multiple instances of tumors
jme (31:38):
where the tag was
Pate (31:40):
in the throat, like throat tumors specifically where the
tags are.
jme (31:44):
Yeah.
Cats and dogs.
Yeah.
And within a year of wearingthem too.
Oh.
Or up.
A short time.
Pate (31:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jme (31:52):
Well, that's all the time we have for GPS trackers.
Pate (31:56):
We do like them.
jme (31:57):
We do like them.
And, I would like to talk aboutother technological advances in
the pet world, but we're goingto have to do a little bit of
research because, this was theonly one we came up with for
now, but, you know, like Petcubehas some cool things and, uh,
Pate (32:12):
I do like Petcube.
And what's that one that,Petcube's not the one that like
throws out cheats.
Is it?
jme (32:17):
No, they have one.
Pate (32:18):
Okay.
All right.
jme (32:19):
Anyway, I'm Jamie
Pate (32:22):
I'm Pate.
This is our podcast, RescueShit.
Rock on.
jme (32:26):
Rescue on.
But I also wanted to say if youhave ideas for If you have ideas
for us for pet technology oryour experiences with Traktiv,
Fi, AirTag, or any other thingslike that, email us at
rescueshit at motleyzoo.
org and now we're reallyleaving.
Okay, bye.
Hi, I'm Jamie.
Pate (00:01):
I'm Patti.
This is Motley Zoo AnimalRescue.
jme (00:04):
And our podcast, Rescue Ships.
Today, we're going to talk aboutpet technology.
Pate (00:12):
In specifically, in specifically.
jme (00:16):
I haven't heard that in a long time.
Pate (00:18):
Um, yeah.
Anyway, we're talking about GPScollars.
jme (00:21):
Well, that's one of the things, yes.
So, GPS collars, people like tohave them on, I suppose, if you
have an outdoor, like, herdingdog, or you have a lot of
property, it's a large dog, ahunting dog, a Working dog may
be the more acceptable situationfor them to be kind of running
around without you.
Pate (00:42):
If you like to hike.
jme (00:43):
Yeah, most situations, well even hiking they're supposed to
be on leash.
Yeah.
Well around here.
They're supposed to be.
So having a GPS might be a handything for you.
But we want to just kind of talkabout some of the things.
That you should know about them,what different kinds there are.
(01:03):
And then we'll talk about someother technology too.
Pate (01:06):
Right.
We first were introduced to GBScollars when we, worked with Soi
Dog.
Right.
Now, unfortunately we cannotcontinue that relationship with
Soi Dog because Washington isstill one of the States that
doesn't allow animals frominternational.
Yeah.
Certain, certain countries.
(01:27):
are not allowed to bring dogshere.
Soi Dog is still sending dogsover to the US, but not to
Washington.
Which is, you know, kind ofunfortunate.
jme (01:37):
So before the pandemic, we worked with a Korean rescue.
We work with Soi Dog inThailand.
I actually got to go visit them,last summer, which was really
cool.
It was.
It's awesome to be able to seetheir, you know, their facility.
We knew about them for a longtime and they approached us
about becoming a partner.
And at the time it was cheaperto send the dogs.
(01:58):
We gave them a discounted ratefor vetting.
So you know, instead of paying800 for a pet, we paid much less
than that for their vet care.
They made up the difference.
So even with transportation,getting the animals here was
relatively easy.
Pate (02:15):
We only took a handful at a time.
jme (02:16):
Oh, yeah.
I mean, we always say we look inour own backyard first, but,
when you know what the plight ofanimals in other countries are,
you can't turn a blind eye.
Pate (02:26):
Well, I mean, especially me, because I know it
personally.
Because, I actually was born inThailand.
Bangkok, actually.
And then being an oil brat, wewent home frequently, so I, I've
always, always known about thestreet dogs.
I've always had issues, I'mlike, oh, let's stop, we gotta
get those puppies, let's stop,let's do this, let's do that.
(02:48):
And, I would spend so much moneyon the street vendors to have
chicken.
To me and fried chicken, to giveto the street dogs because I was
a kid and there was nothing elseI could do.
And so for me to know that therewas something I could do now
(03:09):
when I was helpless when I wasyounger was, it was kind of like
a personal thing for me to, totake, Thai dogs.
jme (03:19):
Well, and during the pandemic, they had this problem
where someone had sent, and webelieve it was a shady, sketchy
breeders, in China or somewherelike that, that don't care about
the animals.
They're sending them over at sixweeks, way too young.
And someone got a dog withrabies.
(03:39):
And so that was a big problem.
But what they decided to do wasjust.
Cancel all transports, notrecognizing that, rescues only
fly dogs over six monthstypically, and they always have
rabies vaccines.
We care about what's happeningand we don't want.
To jeopardize the situation.
So we're not going to take arisk, right?
Someone's selling for profit.
(04:00):
They don't give a shit.
So they're going to do it.
So they ruined it for everybody.
Pate (04:03):
Yeah.
And just sad because Soi Dogdoes a lot for their dogs.
I mean, surgeries, those, theydo like blood tests.
They're doing heartworm tests.
They're doing heartwormtreatments.
I mean, they are treating thesedogs.
They are caring for these dogs.
Very well, better than somerescue organizations in the U.
(04:25):
S.
Yet, like one bad apple spoils abunch, man.
Yeah, and so instead of takingit individually, the
government's like, yep, everyonefrom this country, because we
can't, you know, be bothered tocheck, you know, all these
rescues out, personally, we'rejust gonna do a blanket
statement.
jme (04:44):
Yeah.
And there were A lot ofcountries that we couldn't,
there were 114, I seem toremember that we, that the
United States stopped takinganimals from and Thailand was
one of them.
Yeah.
But even after the pandemic,Korea was open for us taking
animals.
However, the cost of that bylike threefold and
Pate (05:04):
2000
jme (05:05):
Yeah, and we all agreed.
This is not worth worth it.
Like we're waste.
I don't want to say wastingmoney, but, but we can't spend
2, 000 transporting a dog.
I mean, that's just,
Pate (05:15):
we actually, had a sponsor for that.
And those specifically forKorean dogs.
jme (05:21):
Yeah.
And those dogs were being savedprimarily from the meat trade.
They were being.
Raised and killed and often nottreated well because part of the
belief of being afraid makes themeat taste better.
So it's not just eating the dog,which I know which well Yeah,
(05:43):
but It it's not just eating thedog that is reprehensible.
It is How they do it and howthey live and how they die
Pate (05:52):
kind of like our factory farms here.
jme (05:55):
Yeah That one's a tough one.
Anyway, we want to move on toGPS collars.
So we were introduced to the GPScollars by Soi Dog, and it was a
requirement as part of ourpartnership that one, we not
open the crates in the airport.
Yeah, I don't let the dogs getout
Pate (06:15):
in the wrong way.
I mean, in the right, I got introuble for it in the right way.
jme (06:18):
Pate was defending that rule because one of the other
rescues was not abiding by it.
Pate (06:23):
Correct.
jme (06:23):
They opened the crate of our dog and that our dog got bit
them.
And then they said.
It was horrible.
And Pate just yelled at them andsaid, you shouldn't have opened
our dog's crate.
Like you're not supposed to dothat at all.
Don't touch our dogs.
The dog was blind.
Pate (06:39):
Yeah.
And scared
jme (06:40):
and scared a transport.
And why don't open the crate inthe airport?
Pate (06:45):
It was busy.
I mean, he's blind.
So he's hearing everything andhe's feeling everything.
jme (06:50):
Well, and another one, a long time ago, a foster, their
sister was giving up their dog.
And they flew the dog here, andwe said do not open the crate in
the airport.
The dog had bitten somebody.
And, not, not in the airport,like in the home.
And that's why she was coming tous.
(07:10):
Part of why they, they didn'twant her anymore.
So the woman, unfortunately,opened the crate in the airport.
The dog was running through theairport, loose, and a police
officer had to help.
Thank God, she didn't bitesomebody, especially the police
officer.
Yeah, we were like, yep.
That's why we said don't openthe crate.
Pate (07:31):
Mm hmm.
jme (07:32):
So don't open.
Pate (07:33):
She's like, who are you?
Oh my god, I'm out of here.
jme (07:36):
Don't open the crate unless you're in a secure area
Pate (07:39):
Quiet.
Yes and secure.
jme (07:41):
So anyway, their requirement was We'll provide
you the GPS collars, you pay forthe service, and any adopter has
to continue the service for atleast three months or six months
or something.
Pate (07:53):
A year?
Yeah, I thought it was a year.
jme (07:54):
I don't know.
I can't remember.
It was at least three to sixmonths.
Yeah.
And this is because they haddogs go missing.
The dogs are used to being onthe streets.
They are scared of people.
They don't know what to do.
And so sometimes they getspooked.
And they run away.
Pate (08:11):
Especially at the beginning.
Yeah.
You know?
A lot of, I mean, cause you'regoing, you're coming from the
tropics.
And you're like, all of a suddenyou're dumped in Seattle where
it's cold.
You know?
It's culture shock.
jme (08:26):
Mm hmm.
One of the dogs that we got fromTaiwan.
In the early days, yeah, Taiwan,I forgot about that, but in the
early days, she got loose.
She pulled the leash out of thefoster's hand, and when she was
running away, she stepped on herown leash, had the martingale
on, corrected herself, and juststopped and stood there because
(08:49):
she didn't think she could moveanymore.
So they were able to approachher and get her, but that's not
always likely to happen either.
Pate (08:55):
Yeah.
So, yeah, and that's not gonnahappen with a Thai dog.
jme (08:59):
No, because they're like, I'm out of here.
Yeah.
So Tractive was the brand thatthey used.
And, explain a little bit abouthow it works.
Pate (09:07):
So Tractive is a GPS collar.
Actually, it's a, it's a devicethat you attach to the collar.
They've got like a little clipon, and you have your app where
you can track it.
The dog, actually, you knowwhat, G and Mika Mika have
tractive.
Tracy got tractives for them.
(09:28):
But, um,
jme (09:29):
Is that because she takes them to the beach and stuff?
And they're
Pate (09:33):
I have no idea why she got tractive.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Um, I don't know, like, I mean,cause Tameka's got a prey drive.
She's a Malinois and, they liveon the island and there's deer,
you know, not that I don't knowthat Tameka has ever gotten out
of their fence yard.
But anyway, this is someonebeing better safe than sorry.
(09:53):
Which is, you know, like we saidin our previous podcast about
lost dogs, GPS collars are yourbackup plan.
And so that's Tracy, she's got,she's got that backup plan in
place.
It's square ish or whatever andthen there's the clip on the
back So the collar goes inbetween and you clip it on the
(10:14):
collar the I like that Becauseyou can wash the collar, right?
But at the same time I've alwayswondered Like and I've never
researched this really like howoften It could break.
It could come off, right?
Because it's just a clip.
jme (10:31):
Well, and from what we read, they use cell phone towers
and satellite.
So they use those two tools to,pinpoint where the dog is at,
one of the things that I worriedabout initially when we were
talking about microchipping andthat kind of thing, there was a
concern that microchips couldcause cancer.
(10:53):
And they don't because they area passive device.
Mm hmm.
So You need to sweep a wand overwhich sends out a radio signal.
It bounces back that radiosignal and that's how you get
the number.
The radio frequency.
Yeah, but it's not on until youuse the wand.
But it's not transmitting onlyif you use the wand.
(11:15):
So it's a completely passivedevice.
It's just a little thing in thebody.
So, you know, they don't
Pate (11:20):
Size of a grain of rice.
jme (11:22):
Yeah, so they don't cause cancer.
And I know how popular GPS isnow and that was a concern
initially.
You know, maybe we should talkabout Fi too before we go into
that.
Pate (11:34):
Yeah, so the three that's more often used here, in this
area is the Tractive and the Fi.
F I.
Yep, it's F I.
We have that.
Soi Dog went from Tractive to Fiand then the third one, I see so
many air tags on dogs, right?
jme (11:55):
Well, and the, the Fi uses Wi Fi also.
Wi Fi, cellular, and satellite.
So they say it's a uniquecombination of ways to
triangulate where the animal is,and that it can be more
effective than tractive, whichonly uses the two options.
So, That's just something toknow but the Fi also does other
(12:19):
things.
Pate (12:19):
Yeah, and then so that's more anecdotal Like some people
like Tractive better than Phi.
We have a Phi.
Gary, my husband who's the leadtrainer He got a Phi for Rob our
Husky
jme (12:35):
Model citizen.
Pate (12:36):
I know.
jme (12:37):
Who didn't want to be on our podcast recently.
She's a rude bitch.
She was ignoring us.
Pate (12:41):
But because Gary is starting to work with them to
do, Search and Rescue, andAgain, backup plan.
She's very,
jme (12:51):
she's so attached to him.
Pate (12:53):
I was going to say, yeah, I was going to say like, I don't
even know that, you know, we gohiking or whatever that she
would ever leave him.
But again, backup plan, causeyou never know.
And so what Gary loves about thePhi is that not only can he see
what she's doing, where she'sgoing, everything like that,
because, stalker dad, no,helicopter dad, right?
(13:15):
The Phi will also, Kind of belike a Fitbit, you know?
jme (13:19):
Transmits health and activity data.
Pate (13:21):
And he's like, Ah, that bitch took more naps than I did
today.
Or, Oh, steps.
Well, nap too.
He's like, she's been sleepingfor three hours.
You know?
And then they come out here atnight, and at the end of the
day, he'll compare their steps.
And he's like, God, she gotdouble my steps.
And I was like, well, Same ashow she runs back and forth.
back and forth while you'rewalking forward.
(13:43):
Cause she likes to investigate.
She likes to say hi to her newsquirrel friends and, you know,
pee around the perimeter.
So the coyotes don't come onproperty and stuff like that.
So yeah, she does definitely getin more steps than her dad and
there's proof now.
jme (13:57):
Well in the fi is its own collar.
Is it made of silicone?
Pate (14:02):
No, it's.
No, it's, it's, um, you knowwhat, it feels, it feels like
canvas, you know, like if youhave an Apple watch or whatever,
it feels like a normal collar,right?
It feels like a Max and Neocollar.
What is that?
What is that?
jme (14:15):
Okay, that, that's nylon webbing.
Pate (14:17):
Okay.
Okay.
Is it?
Oh, I thought it was, I don'tknow.
I thought it was material likecotton or something.
jme (14:23):
No, it's nylon webbing.
Cotton would.
Weaken and rot.
Pate (14:27):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So anyway, it's durable.
It's a nice sleek design.
I mean, it looks good.
So if you're about looks, itlooks good.
jme (14:38):
And this unit is The collar.
Yeah, exactly.
It's not, it doesn't come offlike the tractive, but one of
the disadvantages you weresaying is that you can't then
wash the collar.
Pate (14:48):
Right.
The risk of it coming off thedog is definitely lower, but if
you have a muddy dog, have funwith that.
Yeah.
Well, I'm sure you can wash it,but, but you have to wash it by
hand.
Right.
So, yeah.
jme (15:01):
Being as this is then an active device and it's
constantly transmitting betweenthe dog and the towers and
satellites, there has been aconcern that that could cause
They've done studies and saidthat the frequency is such a low
(15:21):
radiation that your cell phoneis worse.
And I don't know.
I don't think we'll be surprisedwhen they tell us.
definitely cell phones and Wi Ficause cancer.
I mean, it's just a matter oftime.
Pate (15:33):
Right.
But, but I mean, the thing is,is also depending, because it's
such a low frequency and theradiation that's emitted is
definitely not like radiationlike an x ray, right?
Where it's gonna change yourcellular What's the word I'm
looking for
jme (15:50):
like damage the cellular content or the
Pate (15:53):
yeah, it's gonna screw with your cells.
jme (15:55):
Mm hmm Yeah, yeah, um, this is why I hate using the thing at
the airport, too Like I don'twant to be x rayed every time I
travel.
I love when I get the metaldetector Some for some reason.
Pate (16:10):
Oh, so you're like you're like the microchip
jme (16:13):
carrying the dog Through on on trips is a pain Direct pass
to get the metal detectorinstead of the x ray.
Pate (16:20):
But then you have to wonder, like, the metal
detector.
I don't know.
Oh, how would that work?
Cause it's not an x, what?
Cause you know my son has apacemaker.
jme (16:31):
So he would have to go through the metal detector,
right?
Pate (16:34):
No, they don't.
jme (16:35):
Hmm.
Do they just wand him?
Pate (16:38):
I don't, may, I don't know.
jme (16:41):
Well, I know that having the dog with me, it ensures that
I don't need to go through the xray thing, so I do like that.
But, so all the information outthere says there's no too low
risk.
Pate (16:54):
Right.
jme (16:55):
And you shouldn't worry about it.
However, when, then it comes tothe, Apple tags, what?
Pate (17:00):
Well, I was gonna say, like, also, such, since it's
such a low frequency, and adog's lifespan is shorter than
ours.
If it was going to cause cancerfrom long term exposure, maybe
that long term is longer than 20years.
jme (17:18):
Right.
You know?
Yeah.
Like, would we even know?
Right.
If that's what's, what'shappening.
Pate (17:22):
So maybe it does cause cancer.
But the dogs, their longevityisn't,
jme (17:26):
yeah, pets aren't going to live long enough to, to
experience that.
Right.
I cut you off.
Pate (17:31):
No, no, no, no worries.
Cause I was thinking, you know,like by the time, like a lot of
people, like say colon,colonoscopies, for example, they
tell you to get them when you'relike what, 50,
jme (17:42):
45.
Pate (17:42):
Well, I mean, I know, but before it was before it was 50.
jme (17:45):
Yeah.
Pate (17:46):
Um, a dog.
Wouldn't need a colonoscopy.
No, you know even even 50 andthen we mark it down to 45 even
if we mark it down to 40 So, youknow like certain types of
cancers and stuff like that mayI mean these could cause cancer
to that extent, but they don'tlive 45 years Right or whatever
jme (18:08):
and obviously again, this is just our kind of like
Pate (18:11):
and it's still new
jme (18:11):
logical rational Understanding expectations
about, like, I really do thinkthat they're going to find out
that Wi Fi causes cancer.
And, are we going to stop usingWi Fi?
No.
Are we going to stop using cellphones?
No.
So, you know, we're not going todo that.
But, it, it is, it makes a lotof sense.
Just, like, living nearelectrical lines, those big
(18:34):
electrical towers can be aproblem and can cause cancer.
There are just certain things,like, electromagnetic fields and
things like that, that, theymess with your body, so.
But the
Pate (18:44):
Sometimes in a good way though.
jme (18:45):
Right.
Apple iTag, we found
Pate (18:48):
AirTag.
jme (18:48):
Jesus, why did I, yeah.
Apple AirTag Everything's an i,right?
Except for their AirTags.
Was never really meant to be onpets or living creatures?
Pate (18:57):
I think it was supposed to be like on your luggage and
stuff.
jme (18:59):
On luggage, bags, you know, things, maybe your car, I don't
know.
I don't know.
Keys, it has a different kind offrequency than has a little bit
more radiation and while theyyou know, they Will tell you
there's no risk,
Pate (19:15):
but they don't know they don't want you to they don't
want you to put them on Yeah,Apple does not want you to put
air tags on your pets.
jme (19:25):
Oh, well, that's good.
Pate (19:26):
They're supposed to be for inanimate objects.
jme (19:29):
So see, they probably do know something.
They're just not going to saythis is going to cause cancer,
but
Pate (19:34):
they probably haven't researched it, you know,
jme (19:36):
but we have anecdotal, we, yeah, no, we just did a search
and there was a Reddit.
Forum where somebody asked aboutjust one, the eye tag, and there
were at least eight storieswhere people found a tumor, uh,
where the, uh, the air tag wason, on their pet.
(19:58):
So, I don't think it'sunreasonable to think that,
especially when they tell younot to put it on a live being
just don't.
Like, don't do it.
And it seems like the, that oneis, you know, what's it called
when, not out for discussion.
What's it called when you, What?
When, when a group of peoplestill need to make a decision
(20:20):
and you say that's out.
Pate (20:23):
That it's no longer on the floor?
jme (20:25):
No, there's just like a term.
All right.
Well, it was going to be clicheanyway.
Yes.
So,
Pate (20:31):
Maybe someone can tell us what we're trying to say.
jme (20:33):
There's, there's no definitive.
Yes or no, but
Pate (20:37):
there's no actual research that they've done,
jme (20:39):
but there was enough evidence that we saw that I
wouldn't put one on my, on mypet.
Pate (20:44):
Right.
Well, I mean, if you think aboutit, there's like some, some
people, okay, so I don't do, doI call out Hartz?
Do I call them out?
Sure.
Okay, fine.
So say like Hartz brand, right?
They have a flea and tick.
medication.
We refuse to put that on ourdogs.
Right.
Has there been an actualresearch study done showing that
(21:07):
this particular brand is notlike the top tier that you
should be putting topically onyour dog.
No, there's not actual researchthat I've seen.
And I do like to research causeyou know, I'm that science nerd.
So I haven't seen actualresearch on that, but they're
like, you know, with theanecdotal data for lack of a
(21:29):
better word.
Which, I mean, that is still atype of research.
If someone got into it and gotall this data from people, that
is a type of research.
Not the best type of research,but it's still a type, data,
statistical.
They would show that the Hartzcauses a lot of, skin issues,
sometimes neurological issues,things like that.
(21:51):
So there's enough evidence fromconsumers, owners, that would
show that maybe that's not thebest thing that you should put
on your, your pet.
jme (22:00):
Before I knew, I did.
Use that.
And okay, granted, Iaccidentally bought the wrong
size.
So my dog was 10 pounds.
It was for a dog that was up to20.
She got really sick.
She was throwing up.
And she was really, really sick.
So I was like, I realized I madethe mistake.
But I don't think that thatwould necessarily happen with
(22:24):
Other types of medications thatif you gave it for a dog a
little bit bigger that it wouldmake them that sick So
Pate (22:30):
Because there's a big range.
I mean, we've got 40 to 80,right?
And that's quite a bit ofleeway.
Yeah.
You know?
jme (22:37):
Yeah.
So, in our humble opinion, a nonscientific study.
Pate (22:44):
Because it hasn't been done yet.
jme (22:45):
Yeah.
We would say, don't use an Itag.
Air tag.
Air tag.
You can tell I don't use aniPhone.
An AirTag on a pet.
They're not that reliable forthe purpose anyways because it
has a shorter range too.
So.
Pate (23:00):
Oh yeah, and not just that, the battery life.
So one of the things about Fi,I'm not, like, saying Fi is the
best, but one of the thingsthat's great about Fi
jme (23:10):
Only if they want to sponsor us.
Pate (23:11):
Yeah, hey, by the way.
jme (23:13):
Just kidding.
Pate (23:13):
Yeah, yeah.
I've got another dog doingsearch and rescue.
But anyway, Fi has, Longerbattery life.
Oh my god, the battery life isgreat.
AirTags are annoying.
When they start, because itwarns you with beeps, so we have
some dogs in our kennel thathave air tags, and when they
(23:34):
stop, they'll make beeps.
Oh my god, I think Rosa andCassidy have air tags.
jme (23:39):
Oh no.
Pate (23:40):
Oh no, we should tell them.
jme (23:41):
Yeah, we should tell them.
Pate (23:42):
Yeah.
We can be like, look, this isn'tscientific fact, but word on the
street, yeah,
jme (23:50):
the jury's out for discussion, jury's out for
deliberation.
That was my phrase.
The jury's out on that one.
Pate (23:58):
I don't think that's right either.
jme (24:01):
I'm going to say it is.
That's, that's what I'm, I'msticking to it.
So there's a lot of technologyout there.
Things are always changing.
We, try and keep up on thingsbecause sometimes things are
really useful.
Right.
But in this instance, we, wereally want to say that the GPS
is really a backup plan andshould not be your first.
Pate (24:25):
Go to
jme (24:25):
line of defense.
Pate (24:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Line of defense.
That's what you said last night.
jme (24:28):
I almost forgot again.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pate (24:31):
Yeah, definitely.
It's not the first line ofdefense.
But it's a great backup plan.
Should something happen?
Should you be separated fromyour pet for whatever reason?
jme (24:40):
if you had to fly with your pet, I would say putting a GPS
tag on or a GPS collar on yourdog could be a good idea.
Do they make you take Colors offwhen the dogs go in the kennels
at least you could maybe put anair tag on the dog's kennel but
(25:00):
mm hmm that way if yeah the dogor cat I'm gonna we we tend to
say dogs, but cats can usuallygo in the
Pate (25:12):
You know, I don't think they make cat, I'm going to have
to now we're going to have toresearch that.
jme (25:15):
What?
Pate (25:16):
Because Fi is a dog collar, it is not a cat collar.
jme (25:19):
Mm hmm.
But, but if you had to fly yourdog, I would say putting a GPS
on them would be a good ideabecause there are times when
They lose your dogs and theydon't know where they are.
Pate (25:29):
And the dogs get out of the kennel.
jme (25:31):
And when, I was going to Costa Rica and we were waiting
for our surfboards and we weretold they were gonna come down
this elevator.
Well, when the elevator opened,and we'd been waiting for half
an hour, there was a dog in akennel in there.
Pate (25:43):
Oh, geez.
jme (25:43):
Someone just put the dog in the kennel, shut the door,
didn't send the elevator down.
And the receiving person,because we actually had to ask
security guards who weren't,this was not their job, this was
not their responsibility.
We had to ask them about itbecause we'd all been waiting
for so long.
And they were very upset to findout that there was a dog in a
(26:04):
kennel, in that, elevator forover half an hour.
Pate (26:08):
I'd be pissed.
jme (26:09):
Yeah.
So it wouldn't be a bad idea ifyou, if you are not required to
take collars off of your petswhen they fly, I would say that
could be a really good thingbecause Yeah.
What if they got on the wrongplane?
Yeah.
And that's happened before.
That has happened before.
Pate (26:24):
Yeah, exactly.
And then like, you don't getyour dog, but if they had that,
GPS tracker on, then you couldlook on your app because they
conveniently have apps.
And I can tell you that, I mean,I've looked at these apps, with
Tractive.
And, Fi.
The AirTags, do they have apps?
jme (26:45):
I think so.
Pate (26:46):
I don't know.
We don't use them.
So,
jme (26:48):
yeah, and you have an iPhone too.
But yeah, I don't even know.
Pate (26:51):
I love my iPhone.
The only reason why I stick withiPhone is not because it's an
Apple or anything like that.
It's because it's got my musicon it and I don't want to get
new music.
jme (27:02):
That's funny.
I don't have any music on myphone or my computer.
Pate (27:05):
Yeah.
jme (27:06):
I don't download things.
I usually do streaming.
But
Pate (27:10):
I like to pay for my artists.
Okay.
jme (27:12):
Oh, well, but I have like gone to my streaming and
downloaded my things so that Idid have them on a car trip
because one time I was annoyedthat I couldn't listen because
the streaming was cutting it.
Pate (27:24):
Oh, yeah, exactly.
jme (27:26):
And the same now that I've been turned on to, Audiobooks.
Pate (27:30):
Yeah, you can download your audiobooks.
jme (27:30):
I would much rather listen to an audiobook than the radio,
which I used to rely on was theradio because I was just like,
whatever, I'm not driving thatmuch.
I am driving a lot and I enjoygetting in the car because I'm
reading a cool book.
Pate (27:44):
Um, I can't, I sleep to people reading to me.
jme (27:48):
Oh.
Don't do that while you'redriving.
Pate (27:50):
Yeah, no, not at all, I can't.
I mean, because I use a calm appat night and so on.
I'm like, I have tried to listento Tom Hiddleston, his whole
excerpt about Winnie the Pooh.
And we have not reached the endof that little chapter.
jme (28:07):
If Bryan reads to me, I usually fall asleep within a few
pages too, but I like the audiobooks.
Maybe I'm reading books that arestimulating.
I wouldn't fall asleep tobecause I want to know what's
happening, but yeah, audio booksis something that I recently
discovered, and I'm super intothem.
Pate (28:23):
Gary loves them.
I mean, cause he'll, because he,you know, cause he being the
lead trainer, if I haven't saidthat before, he reads a lot.
He doesn't read actually.
He listens to a lot of the dogbooks.
And, stuff like that.
So when he's working, he'slistening to, the new science,
the new,
jme (28:44):
He often uses a British male voice for his books.
Why is that?
Pate (28:51):
I don't know.
Um, I don't know.
I mean, Or maybe I just catchhim listening to the same
person.
It could be that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because that's the thing is thatlike, uh, the audio books, as
opposed to like our iPhone, um,The new iPhone update, I have to
change because I miss my Irishaccent person.
(29:12):
Oh, yeah.
jme (29:13):
Your voice changed to a guy, like a Southern guy.
And we were like, what?
I was like, this isn't Pate.
I was like, so confused.
I was like, what the heck?
Pate (29:21):
I know.
And then, and I didn't even knowabout it.
And you texted me.
You're like, why is there a guyon your, and I was like, you
know what?
That's weird.
Because I felt like my mapsperson.
got switched.
jme (29:32):
Do you know what happens to me when I'm, and Bryan can prove
this, my GPS maps lady will betalking to me and all of a
sudden she will say a sentencewith an Australian accent.
And then she will go back tospeaking normal English.
Pate (29:48):
that's just because your phone's possessed.
jme (29:52):
I have a problem with technology.
Things don't work for me the waythat they work for everybody
else.
And this is proven.
This is not me just saying that.
Pate (30:00):
It's not anecdotal.
It's for sure.
jme (30:02):
It's freaking for sure.
They think they, meaning myfriends and people close to me,
think I have some kind of weirdmagnetic field.
Pate (30:10):
Yeah.
jme (30:11):
Or I've also been told I'm just cursed or haunted.
Pate (30:15):
Yeah, see that's what I'm saying.
You're haunted.
Which is why I hope that you getyour computer soon because
jme (30:21):
We're using patty's computer.
I'm using Pate's new computer.
Pate (30:24):
So she better not taint it.
jme (30:27):
Yeah, I didn't even think about that
Pate (30:28):
You know where you pass that curse along.
Yeah, like freaking the ringwhere here's the video Yeah your
turn
jme (30:37):
i'm not gonna pass my technology cooties on to you,
okay But yeah.
All right.
Well, I think that's really allthat we have to say about GPS
and callers and that kind oftechnology.
Pate (30:49):
Yeah.
We're sure there's other GPScallers out there, but these are
the three that, like I said,that we have.
Worked with.
Yeah.
And that people here, I feellike air tags are one of the
more popular ones just becausethey're easy.
I don't think you need asubscription, whereas like
Tractive and Fi, you pay amonthly subscription.
(31:10):
And then having the Phi be, youknow, aesthetically pleasing, as
well as having that whole likeFitbit thing, um, that was one
of the reasons why Gary got thatfor Rob, so personally, like we
have Fi.
Tracy has Tractive are her twomonsters.
But we do see a lot of air tagsand it is a little concerning to
(31:33):
hear.
Multiple instances of tumors
jme (31:38):
where the tag was
Pate (31:40):
in the throat, like throat tumors specifically where the
tags are.
jme (31:44):
Yeah.
Cats and dogs.
Yeah.
And within a year of wearingthem too.
Oh.
Or up.
A short time.
Pate (31:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jme (31:52):
Well, that's all the time we have for GPS trackers.
Pate (31:56):
We do like them.
jme (31:57):
We do like them.
And, I would like to talk aboutother technological advances in
the pet world, but we're goingto have to do a little bit of
research because, this was theonly one we came up with for
now, but, you know, like Petcubehas some cool things and, uh,
Pate (32:12):
I do like Petcube.
And what's that one that,Petcube's not the one that like
throws out cheats.
Is it?
jme (32:17):
No, they have one.
Pate (32:18):
Okay.
All right.
jme (32:19):
Anyway, I'm Jamie
Pate (32:22):
I'm Pate.
This is our podcast, RescueShit.
Rock on.
jme (32:26):
Rescue on.
But I also wanted to say if youhave ideas for If you have ideas
for us for pet technology oryour experiences with Traktiv,
Fi, AirTag, or any other thingslike that, email us at
rescueshit at motleyzoo.
org and now we're reallyleaving.
Okay, bye.
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