January 4, 2025 • 31 mins
Pate and jme discuss muzzles and why they can be a literal lifesaver for some dogs- and how it's important we begin to normalize them rather than judge dogs who wear them.
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Hi, I'm Jme, and this is Pate.,with Motley Zoo Animal Rescue.
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This is our podcast, RescueShit.
Dino, Nino.
Today, we're going to talk aboutmuzzles.
I wrote a blog once called,What's the Problem with Muzzles?
And the problem is that peopledon't use them, especially when
they should.
So we're going to talk a littlebit about that, why they're
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important, what kinds to use,and different applications of
them, but namely not to beafraid of using them because
they could be a lifesaver.
Yeah, we definitely need tonormalize muzzle wearing.
Instead of having a preconceivedprejudice when we see a dog
wearing a muzzle, thinking thatdog is automatically quote
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unquote aggressive, doesn'tnecessarily mean that a dog in a
muzzle is aggressive.
When I see a dog in a muzzle,the first thing that I think of
is, you know what, that'sfantastic.
That dog's owner is advocatingfor that dog and making sure
that that dog is safe fromothers and possibly, they're
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poor decisions.
Yeah, from their own behavior.
Exactly.
And it's not, necessarily anaggressive thing.
It could be a medical thing suchas like pica that they want to
eat everything on the ground.
Rocks.
Nails like whatever.
I mean, it's just like a littleHoover vacuum and it's just not
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a good thing because everythinggoes in and Unfortunately as we
know with dogs everything thatgoes in does not necessarily go
out.
And then when you muzzle, youwant to condition them to the
muzzle first, if a dog isreactive, When a person is
helping to train the reactivedog, you want to make sure that
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you don't just slap on a muzzle.
You need to condition them towearing a muzzle, to feeling
that muzzle on their face.
It's just kind of like how wecondition a dog or a puppy, to
have a collar.
If you've had a puppy.
And you put a collar on it thefirst week that puppy is
scratching at its neck we've hadpuppies go to foster homes or
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adoptive, you know foster toadopt homes and They're gonna
ask me if the puppy's been onflea medication because it's
scratching like it has fleas Andit's not as the, the puppy's
like, I don't know what's aroundmy neck.
Let me like scratch it off.
Like get it off.
It's so weird.
It feels weird.
Same exact thing with a muzzle.
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It's going to feel weird.
And like, what are we doinghere?
We work hard on training thepuppies, especially to, you
know, colors and leashes, but wealso.
Can't have them wearing them allthe time, especially when
they're together and they'replaying together because, you
know, sometimes their jaws canget stuck around the, the collar
and, you know, there's a lot ofthings that can happen.
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So sometimes when they are goingto a new home, it's still a
little bit of a new experience,at least each time you put it on
until they start to get used toit.
It almost never fails that whena puppy goes home and they've
got a collar on the people arelike, are you sure they don't
have these?
And we're like, It's the collar.
Yeah.
Why don't we talk a little bitabout what kind of muzzles there
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are?
Because, if you're thinkingabout the kind of muzzle when
you take your dog to the vet andthey put a muzzle on to cut
their nails, this is not thekind of muzzle we're talking
about, using for, reactivity, oranything like that, namely
because the dog can't pant, itcan't breathe, that kind of
muzzle is meant to force theirmouth shut so that they can't
bite you, but it's only going tobe worn for a very short period
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of time.
When we're talking about muzzlesthat are going to be used for
reactivity or any other kind ofscenario, you need the kind
that's an open weave kind of,Mesh almost.
It looks kind of like acatcher's mitt.
Baskerville has a good starterone that a lot of people use.
They're pretty easy to find inthe pet stores and on Chewy.
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But they are the typical kind ofstarter muzzle and it's what we
call a basket muzzle.
Why don't you talk a little bitabout how you kind of acclimate
them to that or, or someresources for that.
Right.
So, ah, I gotta stop saying so,right sorry.
Right.
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You are correct.
Thank you Jamie.
I'll take it from here.
Basketball muzzles are.
Your baby steps when you'retraining a dog to wear a muzzle.
We call it muzzle conditioningbecause basically what you're
doing at first is showing them,you know, this Hannibal Lecter
like face mask and asking themto put their face, their muzzle
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into the basket and you givethem a treat on the other side.
And before you actually strap onthe muzzle.
Yeah, basically you're handingthem treats.
Through the muzzle.
Through the muzzle, with yourhand on the muzzle.
You put it on their face, youtake it off.
You put it on their face, theytake it off.
And if you do that for a littlewhile, then you put it on and
leave it on for a little bitlonger, and then take it off.
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And, and then eventually they'renot freaking out and you can get
to the point where you can,actually secure it to their
face.
There's actually a really goodmuzzle conditioning video by
Method K9.
So if you Google Method K ninewith a KAK nine method, canine
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muzzle conditioning, it will popup a video and there's a part
one and a part two.
And that will show you thebasics of how to get your dog
used to a muzzle before you evenput it on them.
Yeah, and Stephanie is a reallyskilled trainer.
She's works with a lot of very,difficult dogs.
She's turned dogs around.
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And, this video is a reallygreat, in depth way about how to
train your dog.
There's also a website calledthe Muzzle Up Project, which has
some different videos and,information.
And basically is It's advocatingto normalize muzzle wearing,
especially for dogs that couldget themselves in trouble.
So there's a couple differentresources that we refer to, both
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of them are really great.
Um, but I, I think that's whatyou kind of have to think about,
is that you're protecting yourdog by putting a muzzle on them.
It's like wearing a seatbelt.
I mean, you're not gonna go inthe car and let your kids just
be bouncing around in thebackseat You're gonna tell them
they have to Wear theirseatbelts and you know, even if
they're like, oh, it's soconstricting and I can't stand
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it You're like, I don't carebecause that's what's gonna keep
you safe.
Well, it should be the samething for dog muzzles If your
dog has a problem, especiallywith reactivity, or it could,
end up biting somebody orgetting in a fight, you want to
protect them.
Some people are going to say,well, if my dog's in a fight and
they have a muzzle on, then theycan't protect themselves.
But, then likely your dog isn'tgoing to be the one in the
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muzzle because it's going to bethe dog that's starting the
fight that should be in themuzzle.
But think about it, you justdon't know what's going to
happen and who's going to comeup on you when you're walking.
Some doctors are just reallyfearful and Even irrationally
so, because we don't maybe knowwhat they've been through, or
they just have very timidpersonalities.
There are some people that arelike that.
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Some people are reallyintroverted.
Some people are not.
Some people are really fearful.
Some people are not.
The same thing goes with thedogs.
Your dog could be just kind of afearful, timid dog.
And their reaction might be,even when startled, to
potentially snap.
So, this can be a great way tohelp socialize a dog too, and
help them overcome those fearsin a productive way that doesn't
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put them in danger.
Especially when you have aherding dog, for example, their
first reaction is to nip.
Because That's what they do.
They nip cattle, they nip sheep,they use their mouths a lot.
And it's very common for herdingdogs just to be a little bit
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more on the, I don't want to sayneurotic side, but a lot of them
don't have jobs, right?
They're just being a pet.
And.
Sometimes walking down thestreet, you just have no idea
when someone's going to run byon a scooter, on a bike, or just
run by, period, and startle thedog so that they're going to
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whip around and potentially nipsomeone.
And we get this a lot.
I mean, we have had a lot ofemails from people.
about their Aussie mix, theircattle dog, et cetera, nipping
someone when on the street, andnow they're in trouble and their
dog has been labeled a dangerousdog.
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Our first recommendation, ofcourse, is to muzzle condition
your dog.
While you're teaching him thatthe streets are safe.
I got you.
I got your back I am building upyour confidence so that we can
Alleviate some of this highstrong startle reflex that they
have Well, and think about itthat If you can help them get
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through these situations withouthaving to react that way,
because you're managing thesituation, you're in control,
they're on a leash, they havethe muzzle, that's how you build
up confidence.
That's how you show them, Oh,this is silly.
You don't need to be afraid ofthat.
You have to help them find thatlevel of comfort and to look to
you for Those cues, you know, ifthe bikes coming up and they're
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scared, they should look at you,they should ask you, Hey, what
do I do here?
And you'd be like, Oh, it'sokay.
You can step in front of themand you can advocate for them.
That's what you're doing.
You're advocating for your dog.
You're helping them navigate theworld safely.
And securely so that they cangrow and become more confident
and happy in their own skin.
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Talking about the differentmuzzle types.
You have, what Jme talked about,the muzzles that you see
commonly at the vet, they'rewraparound muzzles.
They keep that mouth entirelyshut.
The vets are drawing blood,they're giving shots, etc.
Their faces are close to thedog's, so you don't want, you
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don't want to get bit in theface.
You don't want to get your handsbit, etc.
Those muzzles are strictly very,very short term, so that you can
Accomplish one task or a coupleof tasks or whatever, and then
you take off that muzzle, right?
Do not use those at home.
And if your dog is fearful,they're going to be panting.
And they can't pant in that kindof muzzle and that's going to
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make them panic.
It's just going to make themescalate.
Yeah, hyperventilate.
Yeah.
So you have to understand that adog that is nervous or a dog
that is reactive, they need tobe able to open their mouth.
They need to be able to pant andbreathe.
And the great thing about thebasket muzzles is that they can
eat, drink, Take treats.
They can even play with sometoys with the muzzle on.
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And this is something that,doesn't have to disrupt or ruin,
their life or be like prison forthem, to just to keep them safe.
So it's very important torecognize that they can still
really enjoy a lot of thingsthat they normally do just
without the fear and the worrythat they're going to bite
somebody or they're going to getin a fight because honestly
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sometimes it's the people thathave the biggest problem dealing
with the dog's issues becausethey're so panicked that
something's going to happen thatthey create such tension that
the dog is on higher alertbecause the people are panicked
and worried.
And so it creates this kind ofnegative feedback loop that they
just feed off each other.
Sometimes muzzles are just theway to tone it down and get the
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person to calm down and be ableto operate on a normal level
where everything isn't, the endof the world.
Dogs can definitely feel yournervousness and if you are
taking your dog out because youknow that your dog needs some
enrichment, we need to go for awalk, maybe we live in an
apartment, we have to go forpotty breaks, your dog has to
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leave your house, but your dogis fearful, your dog is
reactive.
And potentially some random kidcould run up to your dog, or
some bike could drive by, or, acar like makes a weird noise,
and your dog's going to Lose itfor a lack of a better word, but
knowing that your dog is in amuzzle What's a dog gonna do?
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The whole point of the muzzle isthat they cannot bite They
cannot nip they cannot getthemselves into trouble in that
way.
So your guard You're a littlemore relaxed because your dog is
now rendered impotent, so tospeak.
And it can, sometimes actuallymitigate this behavior for them
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because they're like, Oh, yeah,I can't do anything about it
right now.
So I'm just going to relax andnot.
You obviously have to be carefulthat you've actually worked
through the problem in thatsituation, you don't want to
just take the muzzle off and belike, they never react anymore.
So I'm taking the muzzle off.
That's not how that works.
You need to, work with your dog,but a lot of times when it comes
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to dog fights, a dog that has amuzzle on is less likely to try
to instigate a fight becausethey know they can't do anything
about it.
And actually we've had daycaredogs.
Including my own dog, who, feltlike it was his, invisible cloak
when we put the muzzle on him,he was calmer, he was happier,
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and he played better than whenhe didn't have it on, because
when he didn't have it on, hewas, he would get worried, or he
would just get cranky and tiredand go put himself to, to bed,
which was funny because he grewup in daycare, so, it is very
strange, but that's, that's agood example of a dog that, we
raised him in a certainenvironment, but it was still
stressful for him on some level,and we had to make sure that he
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wasn't getting prickly or upsetwith other dogs, and that we
watched and made sure that if hewanted to get in the kennel so
that he could rest, then hecould do that.
So sometimes it actually helpsthem calm down and relax.
Then there's other things thatyou can try to work with your
dog, when you're conditioningthem, and you could try using
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some CBD, which will kind oftone down your dog's, likelihood
to be a little prickly, andit'll, make them feel a little
better, and then maybe that canhelp them get through the
training and relax enough sothat they're actually hearing
the training that you're tryingto give them and they are more
receptive to it because theiranxiety is knocked down a couple
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notches.
And then if you're going to beout and about with your dog and
it's going to take quite a bitof training.
To ever have your dog off amuzzle, or if you're, stuck in a
situation like in the UK whereall XL bullies have to be in a
muzzle when you're out andabout, you want to make sure
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that you get the right muzzle.
And not all basket muzzles areequal.
So your Baskerville is trainingwheels.
To muzzling.
You're training them, you'regetting them conditioned, but
you do not want to hike with aBaskerville.
You do not want to jog with aBaskerville.
And you really like in thesummer, even just walking out
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and about, you really don't wantto have a Baskerville on.
Jme mentioned pant room, whichis extremely important because
Baskervilles will let them opentheir mouths.
To an extent, but they cannotopen their mouths fully to pant
Appropriately if they needed tolower their body temperature.
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Remember they do not have sweatglands.
They lower their bodytemperature by panting.
And so it's very important thatyou have enough pant room and
you'll see a custom made muzzlewill pretty much be, down
almost, down their throat.
I mean, past their, their lowerjaw, almost, Like where it
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connects to their collar, likewhere their collar is?
Past their collar, like wheretheir shoulders are almost, like
some of them, depending on howlong their muzzles are, right?
Cause it's really based on howwide they can open their mouth
because you want them to be ableto open their mouths fully.
Well, and then there's a coupleof different kinds of muzzles
when you're getting into a morebreed specific one, which is
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important if you're going to usethis all the time, because, you
know, this is something thatyour dog really needs, to
protect themselves and you'renot able to work through the
problem, then you really need tomake sure it fits.
It would be like wearing shoesthat are a few sizes too small.
Everyone has like different sizefeet, right?
So do you have a wide toe box?
Do you have wide feet?
Do you have narrow feet?
Do you have long feet?
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So there's metal wire muzzlesthat are kind of almost like a
cage, like a little bird cagealmost.
Then there are plastic ones.
that are typically like brownplastic.
I don't know why they're brown,and then there are leather ones
or leather and metal.
There's combination ones.
Sometimes the leather over thebridge of the nose is the most
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comfortable that you can do forthem because, the Baskerville
you'll find, uh, it will rubtheir, their fur a little bit
raw.
But You also have to remember isit better to have a little
missing fur on their nose, or isit better that they get
euthanized because they bitsomebody?
You gotta really weigh the prosand cons here.
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And we found that moleskin,which is kind of like this felty
stuff that you can get, forblisters and, you can get it in
strips.
You can put that on the insideof the muzzle and that usually
helps.
We've had a few different peoplecustomize the muzzles that
they've used.
The silicone ones are probablythe most comfortable on the
starting level.
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But the silicone bends and Youcan actually nip through them.
Yeah.
Sometimes they can actually nipthrough them, but often the
weave.
can break pretty easily with asilicone one.
So the pieces will snap and thenyou could literally like put
your fingers through the muzzleand then it's not really going
to do you much good.
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So you have to inspect themuzzles too and make sure that
none of the tines that keep theweave together are actually
broken, which is more likely tohappen with the silicone than
the Baskerville and it's lesslikely to happen with the other
kind, but you really should workon getting a custom fit at some
point, and it is probably goingto be around a hundred dollars.
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It's not a cheap thing, but it'sa heck of a lot cheaper than
getting sued.
It's a heck of a lot easier thanwatching euthanized because they
did something bad, one too manytimes.
It's all relative when it comesto stuff like that, but I think
the biggest problem is peoplethink they don't look nice.
But we're talking like functionover fashion, and this is,
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again, like a seatbelt.
It could save your dog's life,and at that point, it should be
worth it.
It's not about how your doglooks, or that you don't like
it, or that they don't like it.
Even dogs that are muzzleconditioned will sometimes rub
their muzzle on your leg orsomething.
Maybe it itches, right?
You gotta itch your nose.
Yeah, so, I mean They still canlive happy lives, they still can
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do plenty of things, and it'sreally not up to them whether or
not they like the muzzle or not,it's just not up to them.
Just like it's not up to themwhether or not we use the leash,
just like it's not up to themthat they can't just behave
however they want.
It really is up to us to teachthem to behave properly so that
they can navigate our humanworld.
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Appropriately and safely andwithout heartbreak and injury.
I had a dog that was a bait dogwhen I first got him.
His name was Bones because, Ilike David Boreas and, so we
didn't name him Sealy booth, butwe named him Bones and because
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he was skin and bones when I gothim, he was covered in wounds.
He was just not great.
And because of his history, hewas a little unpredictable, like
he'd be great 99 percent of thetime, but then that 1 percent
like he might snap and then goafter another dog, which wasn't
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safe for the other dogs andespecially because I foster so
much.
It wouldn't be cool to have anyof that happen with any of our
foster dogs, right?
And when he was out with otherdogs, again, It was so that he
could be around other dogs.
It was for his enrichmentinstead of he loved me so much
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that he wanted to be with me,but I was working with other
dogs all the time and he wasn'talways happy being stuck in a
room with one of the kids or myhusband because he wanted to be
with me.
So in order to be with me, youhave to get along with other
dogs.
And in order to keep everyonesafe, he had to wear a muzzle.
And he would eat in that muzzle,drink in that muzzle, and like
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Jme said, play with that muzzle.
He would actually grab stuffedanimals and be great, and he
would be out with the dogs, andwe never had to worry, I didn't
have to like second guessanything.
And on the occasions when hewould bluster, that's all it
was.
It was blustering and I'm like,Bones, give it a rest.
And he's like, fine.
Just gonna grab my ducky and goin the corner and no one got
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hurt.
No one ever got hurt by Bones.
And he was with puppies toseniors to everything like that.
And like I said, 99 percent ofthe time he could be out with
any dog.
But that 1 percent you justdidn't know when like something
triggered.
This PTSD from the past orwhatever.
He lived a great, wonderfullife.
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And like I said, he wasn'tmuzzled 24 seven.
He did have time where he wasaway from other dogs.
Where he was with you byyourself.
Yeah, exactly.
When he was away from the otherdogs that he wasn't muzzled.
But, what was the option, youknow, euthanizing him, but why,
you know, so I made it work.
That's something that peopledon't necessarily understand,
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too, is like, well, if he getsin fights with other dogs, then
keep him away from other dogs.
But that's not a solution, noris that, maybe what the dog
wants.
Sometimes dogs They may not getalong with every dog, or they
may be cranky, but they stillwant to be with other dogs, that
is dog nature.
Dogs are pack oriented, and forwhatever reason, he wasn't able
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to do that consistently and,without the muscle, but he still
wanted to be with other dogssometimes.
As long as they weren'tBasenjis.
I had a Basenji and they did notget along.
Yeah, they weren't out togethereven when he had the muscle on
because the other dog instigatedit too, just as much, so.
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It's a Basenji thing.
That dog here, Basenji, he tookmy brownie.
I was bringing it from the plateto my mouth and he grabbed it
when it was like an inch awayfrom my mouth and took the whole
thing and just leaped in frontof me and, and made off with it.
It startled me so much becausethis dog just Went by my face
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and all of a sudden what I waseating was no longer in my hand.
Yeah, yeah max max love food Hegot in trouble.
He yeah, he loved food so muchHe was a grouch, but he was he
was funny cantankerous.
He was that's a good word.
Yeah, but he was like he wasyeah But yeah, so if you want to
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learn more about muzzles,there's the website muzzle up
project, but there's alsoanother website which has, what
we talked about the custom mademuzzles.
Another.
thing that they make muzzles outof is biothane.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
But anyway, this one's calledthe muzzle movement and you can
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look and those are the muzzlesthat I'm talking about.
If you go to the muzzlemovement, those are the muzzles
that give the dogs appropriatepant room.
There's different types fordifferent face sizes.
Boston Terriers don't have anose, but they can have an
attitude.
So they do make, they do makemuzzles for that.
You have to measure your dogjust to get that right fit.
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For the, you know, theBrachiocephalic dogs, like,
Boston's and Frenchie's, theydon't have a muzzle on their
face.
So their muscles are differentand they are actually more like
a mask.
And those do look prettyHannibal Lecter looking.
It's kind of adorable though,when you see a little 10 pound
dog with that mask on and you'rejust like, okay, buddy.
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But we did have, some daycaredogs that needed help.
Socializing with other dogs, andso they had to wear the mask
type when they were in daycarebecause they behaved
unpredictably sometimes.
It started with the two of them,because the breeders suggested
buying two, which, That's wherethe problem starts.
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So the two brothers weren'tgetting along in their own home,
and then they were bringing themto daycare, and then the dogs
started having problems withother dogs.
We had quite a few dogs indaycare who were able to enjoy
being in daycare, comfortably,but they needed a muzzle for,
you know, that element of safetyand security, but The muzzle
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allowed them more freedom thanif anyone had just taken a
chance.
And obviously when we're dealingwith multiple dogs that other
people own, we're not going totake chances.
So, why take the dog out ofdaycare and not have that outlet
for them, not have that placethey can play, exercise.
Meet new people, meet new dogs,and, and work through these
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problems, pulling them out ofthere doesn't solve the problem.
It actually usually justamplifies it.
So, a muzzle can really be thefirst step towards changing your
dog's life for the better andhelping fix.
the problems that they'reexperiencing, especially when it
has to do with you and youranxiety because you feel like
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you can't trust them.
So it is really important.
Exactly.
And that's why I say we need tonormalize muzzle wearing.
Think of it as a good thing.
Think of it as advocating foryour dog.
Think of it when you see anotherdog that that owner cares about
their dog, and wants to protecttheir dog.
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Yeah, if you want to saysomething compliment them on
being smart and savvy andadvocating for their dog.
That's what we do.
We always say, oh, thank you.
We're so glad that you knowabout muzzles and that you're
doing your best to protect yourdog and everyone else around
you.
So be sure that you don't givethat, side eye glance and wonder
why that dog's so bad.
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Be glad that they care enoughabout their dog, that they're
working with their dog, they'retrying to fix the problem.
I think this is the number onebit of advice that we give to
people when they contact us.
And they say, Oh, I can't trustmy dog with my kids anymore.
And I'm like, then you need toimmediately put a muzzle on
them.
There is no question,immediately.
But you have to work through itin this way.
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But 99 percent of the time, thisis something that they can do
right away that willdramatically impact their dog's
life for the better.
and help them manage thesituation safely rather than
continue to take unneeded risks.
And few people want the dog thatis reacting and nipping at kids
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or fighting with other dogs.
So rehoming sometimes isn't anoption.
So sometimes you have to thinkabout it that it's the
difference between life anddeath.
Are you going to euthanize yourdog?
Are you going to try muzzletraining and Conditioning them
and working with them in thatway, because that is literally
what it's coming down to,especially in this day and age
with what's going on in animalwelfare and the crisis that
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we're seeing.
Right, especially, you know, adog through no fault of its own,
a really good dog may have towear a muzzle just because other
people are already prejudiced tothat breed.
Breed specific legislation isstill out there.
And instead of targetingirresponsible owners, it's
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targeting good dogs, dogs whohaven't even done anything.
But because of the way theylook, they have to wear a
muzzle.
Muzzles are not a bad thing, andwe need to really think about
muzzles as a tool, as a, as anawesome tool for training, for
socializing, for peace of mind,you know?
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It keeps their mouth shut, butit opens doors for them.
It keeps their mouth shut.
That's a, that's a good one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's an opportunity.
That's really what it needs tobe seen as.
Yeah.
And there's an opportunitywaiting for your dog.
If you consider muzzleconditioning, especially if
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you're thinking about Trying torehome them or euthanizing them
for their behavior.
It's not worth it until you'vegiven that a try at the very
least Exactly and again methodK9 for muzzle conditioning and
the muzzle up project and Muzzlemovement exactly If you're
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interested in giving us somefeedback or sharing your ideas
or thoughts Please email us atrescue shit at motley zoo dot
org And we'll be happy to, takea look and also if you have
other ideas about topics thatyou'd like to hear, we'd be glad
to have your suggestions.
That's it for now.
I'm Jme.
I'm Pate.
Rock on.
Rescue on.
Hi, I'm Jme, and this is Pate.,with Motley Zoo Animal Rescue.
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This is our podcast, RescueShit.
Dino, Nino.
Today, we're going to talk aboutmuzzles.
I wrote a blog once called,What's the Problem with Muzzles?
And the problem is that peopledon't use them, especially when
they should.
So we're going to talk a littlebit about that, why they're
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important, what kinds to use,and different applications of
them, but namely not to beafraid of using them because
they could be a lifesaver.
Yeah, we definitely need tonormalize muzzle wearing.
Instead of having a preconceivedprejudice when we see a dog
wearing a muzzle, thinking thatdog is automatically quote
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unquote aggressive, doesn'tnecessarily mean that a dog in a
muzzle is aggressive.
When I see a dog in a muzzle,the first thing that I think of
is, you know what, that'sfantastic.
That dog's owner is advocatingfor that dog and making sure
that that dog is safe fromothers and possibly, they're
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poor decisions.
Yeah, from their own behavior.
Exactly.
And it's not, necessarily anaggressive thing.
It could be a medical thing suchas like pica that they want to
eat everything on the ground.
Rocks.
Nails like whatever.
I mean, it's just like a littleHoover vacuum and it's just not
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a good thing because everythinggoes in and Unfortunately as we
know with dogs everything thatgoes in does not necessarily go
out.
And then when you muzzle, youwant to condition them to the
muzzle first, if a dog isreactive, When a person is
helping to train the reactivedog, you want to make sure that
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you don't just slap on a muzzle.
You need to condition them towearing a muzzle, to feeling
that muzzle on their face.
It's just kind of like how wecondition a dog or a puppy, to
have a collar.
If you've had a puppy.
And you put a collar on it thefirst week that puppy is
scratching at its neck we've hadpuppies go to foster homes or
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adoptive, you know foster toadopt homes and They're gonna
ask me if the puppy's been onflea medication because it's
scratching like it has fleas Andit's not as the, the puppy's
like, I don't know what's aroundmy neck.
Let me like scratch it off.
Like get it off.
It's so weird.
It feels weird.
Same exact thing with a muzzle.
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It's going to feel weird.
And like, what are we doinghere?
We work hard on training thepuppies, especially to, you
know, colors and leashes, but wealso.
Can't have them wearing them allthe time, especially when
they're together and they'replaying together because, you
know, sometimes their jaws canget stuck around the, the collar
and, you know, there's a lot ofthings that can happen.
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So sometimes when they are goingto a new home, it's still a
little bit of a new experience,at least each time you put it on
until they start to get used toit.
It almost never fails that whena puppy goes home and they've
got a collar on the people arelike, are you sure they don't
have these?
And we're like, It's the collar.
Yeah.
Why don't we talk a little bitabout what kind of muzzles there
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are?
Because, if you're thinkingabout the kind of muzzle when
you take your dog to the vet andthey put a muzzle on to cut
their nails, this is not thekind of muzzle we're talking
about, using for, reactivity, oranything like that, namely
because the dog can't pant, itcan't breathe, that kind of
muzzle is meant to force theirmouth shut so that they can't
bite you, but it's only going tobe worn for a very short period
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of time.
When we're talking about muzzlesthat are going to be used for
reactivity or any other kind ofscenario, you need the kind
that's an open weave kind of,Mesh almost.
It looks kind of like acatcher's mitt.
Baskerville has a good starterone that a lot of people use.
They're pretty easy to find inthe pet stores and on Chewy.
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But they are the typical kind ofstarter muzzle and it's what we
call a basket muzzle.
Why don't you talk a little bitabout how you kind of acclimate
them to that or, or someresources for that.
Right.
So, ah, I gotta stop saying so,right sorry.
Right.
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You are correct.
Thank you Jamie.
I'll take it from here.
Basketball muzzles are.
Your baby steps when you'retraining a dog to wear a muzzle.
We call it muzzle conditioningbecause basically what you're
doing at first is showing them,you know, this Hannibal Lecter
like face mask and asking themto put their face, their muzzle
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into the basket and you givethem a treat on the other side.
And before you actually strap onthe muzzle.
Yeah, basically you're handingthem treats.
Through the muzzle.
Through the muzzle, with yourhand on the muzzle.
You put it on their face, youtake it off.
You put it on their face, theytake it off.
And if you do that for a littlewhile, then you put it on and
leave it on for a little bitlonger, and then take it off.
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And, and then eventually they'renot freaking out and you can get
to the point where you can,actually secure it to their
face.
There's actually a really goodmuzzle conditioning video by
Method K9.
So if you Google Method K ninewith a KAK nine method, canine
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muzzle conditioning, it will popup a video and there's a part
one and a part two.
And that will show you thebasics of how to get your dog
used to a muzzle before you evenput it on them.
Yeah, and Stephanie is a reallyskilled trainer.
She's works with a lot of very,difficult dogs.
She's turned dogs around.
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And, this video is a reallygreat, in depth way about how to
train your dog.
There's also a website calledthe Muzzle Up Project, which has
some different videos and,information.
And basically is It's advocatingto normalize muzzle wearing,
especially for dogs that couldget themselves in trouble.
So there's a couple differentresources that we refer to, both
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of them are really great.
Um, but I, I think that's whatyou kind of have to think about,
is that you're protecting yourdog by putting a muzzle on them.
It's like wearing a seatbelt.
I mean, you're not gonna go inthe car and let your kids just
be bouncing around in thebackseat You're gonna tell them
they have to Wear theirseatbelts and you know, even if
they're like, oh, it's soconstricting and I can't stand
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it You're like, I don't carebecause that's what's gonna keep
you safe.
Well, it should be the samething for dog muzzles If your
dog has a problem, especiallywith reactivity, or it could,
end up biting somebody orgetting in a fight, you want to
protect them.
Some people are going to say,well, if my dog's in a fight and
they have a muzzle on, then theycan't protect themselves.
But, then likely your dog isn'tgoing to be the one in the
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muzzle because it's going to bethe dog that's starting the
fight that should be in themuzzle.
But think about it, you justdon't know what's going to
happen and who's going to comeup on you when you're walking.
Some doctors are just reallyfearful and Even irrationally
so, because we don't maybe knowwhat they've been through, or
they just have very timidpersonalities.
There are some people that arelike that.
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Some people are reallyintroverted.
Some people are not.
Some people are really fearful.
Some people are not.
The same thing goes with thedogs.
Your dog could be just kind of afearful, timid dog.
And their reaction might be,even when startled, to
potentially snap.
So, this can be a great way tohelp socialize a dog too, and
help them overcome those fearsin a productive way that doesn't
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put them in danger.
Especially when you have aherding dog, for example, their
first reaction is to nip.
Because That's what they do.
They nip cattle, they nip sheep,they use their mouths a lot.
And it's very common for herdingdogs just to be a little bit
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more on the, I don't want to sayneurotic side, but a lot of them
don't have jobs, right?
They're just being a pet.
And.
Sometimes walking down thestreet, you just have no idea
when someone's going to run byon a scooter, on a bike, or just
run by, period, and startle thedog so that they're going to
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whip around and potentially nipsomeone.
And we get this a lot.
I mean, we have had a lot ofemails from people.
about their Aussie mix, theircattle dog, et cetera, nipping
someone when on the street, andnow they're in trouble and their
dog has been labeled a dangerousdog.
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Our first recommendation, ofcourse, is to muzzle condition
your dog.
While you're teaching him thatthe streets are safe.
I got you.
I got your back I am building upyour confidence so that we can
Alleviate some of this highstrong startle reflex that they
have Well, and think about itthat If you can help them get
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through these situations withouthaving to react that way,
because you're managing thesituation, you're in control,
they're on a leash, they havethe muzzle, that's how you build
up confidence.
That's how you show them, Oh,this is silly.
You don't need to be afraid ofthat.
You have to help them find thatlevel of comfort and to look to
you for Those cues, you know, ifthe bikes coming up and they're
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scared, they should look at you,they should ask you, Hey, what
do I do here?
And you'd be like, Oh, it'sokay.
You can step in front of themand you can advocate for them.
That's what you're doing.
You're advocating for your dog.
You're helping them navigate theworld safely.
And securely so that they cangrow and become more confident
and happy in their own skin.
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Talking about the differentmuzzle types.
You have, what Jme talked about,the muzzles that you see
commonly at the vet, they'rewraparound muzzles.
They keep that mouth entirelyshut.
The vets are drawing blood,they're giving shots, etc.
Their faces are close to thedog's, so you don't want, you
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don't want to get bit in theface.
You don't want to get your handsbit, etc.
Those muzzles are strictly very,very short term, so that you can
Accomplish one task or a coupleof tasks or whatever, and then
you take off that muzzle, right?
Do not use those at home.
And if your dog is fearful,they're going to be panting.
And they can't pant in that kindof muzzle and that's going to
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make them panic.
It's just going to make themescalate.
Yeah, hyperventilate.
Yeah.
So you have to understand that adog that is nervous or a dog
that is reactive, they need tobe able to open their mouth.
They need to be able to pant andbreathe.
And the great thing about thebasket muzzles is that they can
eat, drink, Take treats.
They can even play with sometoys with the muzzle on.
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And this is something that,doesn't have to disrupt or ruin,
their life or be like prison forthem, to just to keep them safe.
So it's very important torecognize that they can still
really enjoy a lot of thingsthat they normally do just
without the fear and the worrythat they're going to bite
somebody or they're going to getin a fight because honestly
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sometimes it's the people thathave the biggest problem dealing
with the dog's issues becausethey're so panicked that
something's going to happen thatthey create such tension that
the dog is on higher alertbecause the people are panicked
and worried.
And so it creates this kind ofnegative feedback loop that they
just feed off each other.
Sometimes muzzles are just theway to tone it down and get the
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person to calm down and be ableto operate on a normal level
where everything isn't, the endof the world.
Dogs can definitely feel yournervousness and if you are
taking your dog out because youknow that your dog needs some
enrichment, we need to go for awalk, maybe we live in an
apartment, we have to go forpotty breaks, your dog has to
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leave your house, but your dogis fearful, your dog is
reactive.
And potentially some random kidcould run up to your dog, or
some bike could drive by, or, acar like makes a weird noise,
and your dog's going to Lose itfor a lack of a better word, but
knowing that your dog is in amuzzle What's a dog gonna do?
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The whole point of the muzzle isthat they cannot bite They
cannot nip they cannot getthemselves into trouble in that
way.
So your guard You're a littlemore relaxed because your dog is
now rendered impotent, so tospeak.
And it can, sometimes actuallymitigate this behavior for them
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because they're like, Oh, yeah,I can't do anything about it
right now.
So I'm just going to relax andnot.
You obviously have to be carefulthat you've actually worked
through the problem in thatsituation, you don't want to
just take the muzzle off and belike, they never react anymore.
So I'm taking the muzzle off.
That's not how that works.
You need to, work with your dog,but a lot of times when it comes
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to dog fights, a dog that has amuzzle on is less likely to try
to instigate a fight becausethey know they can't do anything
about it.
And actually we've had daycaredogs.
Including my own dog, who, feltlike it was his, invisible cloak
when we put the muzzle on him,he was calmer, he was happier,
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and he played better than whenhe didn't have it on, because
when he didn't have it on, hewas, he would get worried, or he
would just get cranky and tiredand go put himself to, to bed,
which was funny because he grewup in daycare, so, it is very
strange, but that's, that's agood example of a dog that, we
raised him in a certainenvironment, but it was still
stressful for him on some level,and we had to make sure that he
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wasn't getting prickly or upsetwith other dogs, and that we
watched and made sure that if hewanted to get in the kennel so
that he could rest, then hecould do that.
So sometimes it actually helpsthem calm down and relax.
Then there's other things thatyou can try to work with your
dog, when you're conditioningthem, and you could try using
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some CBD, which will kind oftone down your dog's, likelihood
to be a little prickly, andit'll, make them feel a little
better, and then maybe that canhelp them get through the
training and relax enough sothat they're actually hearing
the training that you're tryingto give them and they are more
receptive to it because theiranxiety is knocked down a couple
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notches.
And then if you're going to beout and about with your dog and
it's going to take quite a bitof training.
To ever have your dog off amuzzle, or if you're, stuck in a
situation like in the UK whereall XL bullies have to be in a
muzzle when you're out andabout, you want to make sure
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that you get the right muzzle.
And not all basket muzzles areequal.
So your Baskerville is trainingwheels.
To muzzling.
You're training them, you'regetting them conditioned, but
you do not want to hike with aBaskerville.
You do not want to jog with aBaskerville.
And you really like in thesummer, even just walking out
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and about, you really don't wantto have a Baskerville on.
Jme mentioned pant room, whichis extremely important because
Baskervilles will let them opentheir mouths.
To an extent, but they cannotopen their mouths fully to pant
Appropriately if they needed tolower their body temperature.
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Remember they do not have sweatglands.
They lower their bodytemperature by panting.
And so it's very important thatyou have enough pant room and
you'll see a custom made muzzlewill pretty much be, down
almost, down their throat.
I mean, past their, their lowerjaw, almost, Like where it
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connects to their collar, likewhere their collar is?
Past their collar, like wheretheir shoulders are almost, like
some of them, depending on howlong their muzzles are, right?
Cause it's really based on howwide they can open their mouth
because you want them to be ableto open their mouths fully.
Well, and then there's a coupleof different kinds of muzzles
when you're getting into a morebreed specific one, which is
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important if you're going to usethis all the time, because, you
know, this is something thatyour dog really needs, to
protect themselves and you'renot able to work through the
problem, then you really need tomake sure it fits.
It would be like wearing shoesthat are a few sizes too small.
Everyone has like different sizefeet, right?
So do you have a wide toe box?
Do you have wide feet?
Do you have narrow feet?
Do you have long feet?
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So there's metal wire muzzlesthat are kind of almost like a
cage, like a little bird cagealmost.
Then there are plastic ones.
that are typically like brownplastic.
I don't know why they're brown,and then there are leather ones
or leather and metal.
There's combination ones.
Sometimes the leather over thebridge of the nose is the most
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comfortable that you can do forthem because, the Baskerville
you'll find, uh, it will rubtheir, their fur a little bit
raw.
But You also have to remember isit better to have a little
missing fur on their nose, or isit better that they get
euthanized because they bitsomebody?
You gotta really weigh the prosand cons here.
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And we found that moleskin,which is kind of like this felty
stuff that you can get, forblisters and, you can get it in
strips.
You can put that on the insideof the muzzle and that usually
helps.
We've had a few different peoplecustomize the muzzles that
they've used.
The silicone ones are probablythe most comfortable on the
starting level.
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But the silicone bends and Youcan actually nip through them.
Yeah.
Sometimes they can actually nipthrough them, but often the
weave.
can break pretty easily with asilicone one.
So the pieces will snap and thenyou could literally like put
your fingers through the muzzleand then it's not really going
to do you much good.
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So you have to inspect themuzzles too and make sure that
none of the tines that keep theweave together are actually
broken, which is more likely tohappen with the silicone than
the Baskerville and it's lesslikely to happen with the other
kind, but you really should workon getting a custom fit at some
point, and it is probably goingto be around a hundred dollars.
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It's not a cheap thing, but it'sa heck of a lot cheaper than
getting sued.
It's a heck of a lot easier thanwatching euthanized because they
did something bad, one too manytimes.
It's all relative when it comesto stuff like that, but I think
the biggest problem is peoplethink they don't look nice.
But we're talking like functionover fashion, and this is,
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again, like a seatbelt.
It could save your dog's life,and at that point, it should be
worth it.
It's not about how your doglooks, or that you don't like
it, or that they don't like it.
Even dogs that are muzzleconditioned will sometimes rub
their muzzle on your leg orsomething.
Maybe it itches, right?
You gotta itch your nose.
Yeah, so, I mean They still canlive happy lives, they still can
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do plenty of things, and it'sreally not up to them whether or
not they like the muzzle or not,it's just not up to them.
Just like it's not up to themwhether or not we use the leash,
just like it's not up to themthat they can't just behave
however they want.
It really is up to us to teachthem to behave properly so that
they can navigate our humanworld.
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Appropriately and safely andwithout heartbreak and injury.
I had a dog that was a bait dogwhen I first got him.
His name was Bones because, Ilike David Boreas and, so we
didn't name him Sealy booth, butwe named him Bones and because
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he was skin and bones when I gothim, he was covered in wounds.
He was just not great.
And because of his history, hewas a little unpredictable, like
he'd be great 99 percent of thetime, but then that 1 percent
like he might snap and then goafter another dog, which wasn't
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safe for the other dogs andespecially because I foster so
much.
It wouldn't be cool to have anyof that happen with any of our
foster dogs, right?
And when he was out with otherdogs, again, It was so that he
could be around other dogs.
It was for his enrichmentinstead of he loved me so much
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that he wanted to be with me,but I was working with other
dogs all the time and he wasn'talways happy being stuck in a
room with one of the kids or myhusband because he wanted to be
with me.
So in order to be with me, youhave to get along with other
dogs.
And in order to keep everyonesafe, he had to wear a muzzle.
And he would eat in that muzzle,drink in that muzzle, and like
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Jme said, play with that muzzle.
He would actually grab stuffedanimals and be great, and he
would be out with the dogs, andwe never had to worry, I didn't
have to like second guessanything.
And on the occasions when hewould bluster, that's all it
was.
It was blustering and I'm like,Bones, give it a rest.
And he's like, fine.
Just gonna grab my ducky and goin the corner and no one got
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hurt.
No one ever got hurt by Bones.
And he was with puppies toseniors to everything like that.
And like I said, 99 percent ofthe time he could be out with
any dog.
But that 1 percent you justdidn't know when like something
triggered.
This PTSD from the past orwhatever.
He lived a great, wonderfullife.
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And like I said, he wasn'tmuzzled 24 seven.
He did have time where he wasaway from other dogs.
Where he was with you byyourself.
Yeah, exactly.
When he was away from the otherdogs that he wasn't muzzled.
But, what was the option, youknow, euthanizing him, but why,
you know, so I made it work.
That's something that peopledon't necessarily understand,
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too, is like, well, if he getsin fights with other dogs, then
keep him away from other dogs.
But that's not a solution, noris that, maybe what the dog
wants.
Sometimes dogs They may not getalong with every dog, or they
may be cranky, but they stillwant to be with other dogs, that
is dog nature.
Dogs are pack oriented, and forwhatever reason, he wasn't able
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to do that consistently and,without the muscle, but he still
wanted to be with other dogssometimes.
As long as they weren'tBasenjis.
I had a Basenji and they did notget along.
Yeah, they weren't out togethereven when he had the muscle on
because the other dog instigatedit too, just as much, so.
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It's a Basenji thing.
That dog here, Basenji, he tookmy brownie.
I was bringing it from the plateto my mouth and he grabbed it
when it was like an inch awayfrom my mouth and took the whole
thing and just leaped in frontof me and, and made off with it.
It startled me so much becausethis dog just Went by my face
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and all of a sudden what I waseating was no longer in my hand.
Yeah, yeah max max love food Hegot in trouble.
He yeah, he loved food so muchHe was a grouch, but he was he
was funny cantankerous.
He was that's a good word.
Yeah, but he was like he wasyeah But yeah, so if you want to
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learn more about muzzles,there's the website muzzle up
project, but there's alsoanother website which has, what
we talked about the custom mademuzzles.
Another.
thing that they make muzzles outof is biothane.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
But anyway, this one's calledthe muzzle movement and you can
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look and those are the muzzlesthat I'm talking about.
If you go to the muzzlemovement, those are the muzzles
that give the dogs appropriatepant room.
There's different types fordifferent face sizes.
Boston Terriers don't have anose, but they can have an
attitude.
So they do make, they do makemuzzles for that.
You have to measure your dogjust to get that right fit.
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For the, you know, theBrachiocephalic dogs, like,
Boston's and Frenchie's, theydon't have a muzzle on their
face.
So their muscles are differentand they are actually more like
a mask.
And those do look prettyHannibal Lecter looking.
It's kind of adorable though,when you see a little 10 pound
dog with that mask on and you'rejust like, okay, buddy.
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But we did have, some daycaredogs that needed help.
Socializing with other dogs, andso they had to wear the mask
type when they were in daycarebecause they behaved
unpredictably sometimes.
It started with the two of them,because the breeders suggested
buying two, which, That's wherethe problem starts.
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So the two brothers weren'tgetting along in their own home,
and then they were bringing themto daycare, and then the dogs
started having problems withother dogs.
We had quite a few dogs indaycare who were able to enjoy
being in daycare, comfortably,but they needed a muzzle for,
you know, that element of safetyand security, but The muzzle
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allowed them more freedom thanif anyone had just taken a
chance.
And obviously when we're dealingwith multiple dogs that other
people own, we're not going totake chances.
So, why take the dog out ofdaycare and not have that outlet
for them, not have that placethey can play, exercise.
Meet new people, meet new dogs,and, and work through these
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problems, pulling them out ofthere doesn't solve the problem.
It actually usually justamplifies it.
So, a muzzle can really be thefirst step towards changing your
dog's life for the better andhelping fix.
the problems that they'reexperiencing, especially when it
has to do with you and youranxiety because you feel like
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you can't trust them.
So it is really important.
Exactly.
And that's why I say we need tonormalize muzzle wearing.
Think of it as a good thing.
Think of it as advocating foryour dog.
Think of it when you see anotherdog that that owner cares about
their dog, and wants to protecttheir dog.
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Yeah, if you want to saysomething compliment them on
being smart and savvy andadvocating for their dog.
That's what we do.
We always say, oh, thank you.
We're so glad that you knowabout muzzles and that you're
doing your best to protect yourdog and everyone else around
you.
So be sure that you don't givethat, side eye glance and wonder
why that dog's so bad.
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Be glad that they care enoughabout their dog, that they're
working with their dog, they'retrying to fix the problem.
I think this is the number onebit of advice that we give to
people when they contact us.
And they say, Oh, I can't trustmy dog with my kids anymore.
And I'm like, then you need toimmediately put a muzzle on
them.
There is no question,immediately.
But you have to work through itin this way.
(27:17):
But 99 percent of the time, thisis something that they can do
right away that willdramatically impact their dog's
life for the better.
and help them manage thesituation safely rather than
continue to take unneeded risks.
And few people want the dog thatis reacting and nipping at kids
(27:41):
or fighting with other dogs.
So rehoming sometimes isn't anoption.
So sometimes you have to thinkabout it that it's the
difference between life anddeath.
Are you going to euthanize yourdog?
Are you going to try muzzletraining and Conditioning them
and working with them in thatway, because that is literally
what it's coming down to,especially in this day and age
with what's going on in animalwelfare and the crisis that
(28:03):
we're seeing.
Right, especially, you know, adog through no fault of its own,
a really good dog may have towear a muzzle just because other
people are already prejudiced tothat breed.
Breed specific legislation isstill out there.
And instead of targetingirresponsible owners, it's
(28:26):
targeting good dogs, dogs whohaven't even done anything.
But because of the way theylook, they have to wear a
muzzle.
Muzzles are not a bad thing, andwe need to really think about
muzzles as a tool, as a, as anawesome tool for training, for
socializing, for peace of mind,you know?
(28:49):
It keeps their mouth shut, butit opens doors for them.
It keeps their mouth shut.
That's a, that's a good one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's an opportunity.
That's really what it needs tobe seen as.
Yeah.
And there's an opportunitywaiting for your dog.
If you consider muzzleconditioning, especially if
(29:10):
you're thinking about Trying torehome them or euthanizing them
for their behavior.
It's not worth it until you'vegiven that a try at the very
least Exactly and again methodK9 for muzzle conditioning and
the muzzle up project and Muzzlemovement exactly If you're
(29:32):
interested in giving us somefeedback or sharing your ideas
or thoughts Please email us atrescue shit at motley zoo dot
org And we'll be happy to, takea look and also if you have
other ideas about topics thatyou'd like to hear, we'd be glad
to have your suggestions.
That's it for now.
I'm Jme.
I'm Pate.
Rock on.
Rescue on.
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