January 11, 2025 • 35 mins
pate and jme discuss aging pets and supplements, medications and alternative treatments to try for your aging seniors.
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Hi, I'm Pate., I'm Jme.
We are Motley Zoo Animal Rescue.
And this is our podcast, RescueShit.
Join us today as we discuss,what's our topic today?
Today, we are going to talkabout the aging process with
dogs and cats and some of thesupplements that can help them
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have a better quality of life asthey get older.
Other treatments too,alternative treatments.
Alternative treatments, which wehave experience with.
You are going to be the experton the supplements.
When we're talking about, youknow, the typical ones that
people have heard of, we knowabout glucosamine and
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chondroitin and MSM is also upthere.
Why don't you talk about thosetwo, even though they're the
most common that people mightknow about.
Let's, let's talk about thoseand their applications.
Right.
So as our animals age, they candevelop osteoarthritis, they get
the stiff joints, their mobilitylessens, or it can lessen as you
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get older.
I mean, same with us people,right?
And some of the supplements thatwe use for the animals are
similar to what we use for ourown joints, which is the
glucosamine Chondroitin.
With the M msm.
Mm-hmm.
Some supplements are justglucose mean.
Some of them are glucosamine andchondroitin, and some of'em have
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the glucose mean Chondroitin andMSM for those who are thinking
about cost-effective ways ofgetting the supplement.
Costco has one that it's calledCosequin, which has a glucose
main conjoint and an MSMtogether.
That is great for your joints,for a dog's joints and a cat's
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joints.
I think Cosequin though atCostco is just for dogs, but you
can get that supplement for catsas well.
That helps with the mobility.
It helps lubricate their joints,helps with their ligaments and
their tendons.
That's a very beneficialsupplement.
Well, and you might be surprisedto think that a dog that's seven
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or eight is considered senior.
I mean that's like 50 or goingon 60 in human years.
I would say seven is usuallywhen you start to see the
changes.
I think that's most common inEspecially larger breeds.
Yes.
And yeah, larger breeds aregoing to have probably more
significant issues with thesekinds of things.
Whereas little dogs are, youknow, they're lightweight.
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And, um, we talk about, youknow, little dogs often have
problems with their patellas,their knees, and their teeth.
And big dogs often have problemswith their hips and joints m ore
than anything else.
Right.
You, you worry about like hipdysplasia and elbow dysplasia in
the larger dogs more so than thesmaller dogs.
Mm hmm.
Doesn't mean that they can't getit, but it's more common with
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the larger breeds.
Well in an injury or a break toa bone or a joint is likely to
cause early, early onset ofarthritis, osteoarthritis.
When we're talking to people whoare like, well, how is this
going to impact their mobility?
And we're like, well, they'regonna get arthritis earlier,
your dog's gonna get arthritisanyway, so it's not that much of
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a deterrent.
It's almost guaranteed that theywill get arthritis.
Yeah, especially if you arelucky enough to have them live a
long life, they're, they aregoing to experience that.
Very few people I would say arescared by that, but some are,
and you know, maybe they're theones with the very active
lifestyles, but your dog's stillgonna get arthritis at some
point.
Right, yeah, you'll notice.
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I mean, people will start doingthe supplements as the dogs
start slowing down.
You notice that it takes alittle bit longer for them to
get up.
But when we have a puppy, forexample, who has an amputation,
or a broken bone, or anythinglike that, that affects their
joints and their bones, they getstarted on the glucosamine
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condroitin supplements rightaway.
We do a combination, as well asjust the glucosamine chondroitin
because that helps at one partand then you've got your omegas
that help with another part of,healing the healing, the joint
lubrication, So that's the omega3, 6, and 9.
Correct.
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It not only helps the coat andskin, but it's got fatty acids,
healthy fats, heart and brainhealth, joint lubrication.
It reduces inflammation.
These are all things that Patetold me that I'm just listing
because she knows more than me.
We use the Grizzly brand.
Yeah.
Grizzly product has, thecombination of the omega three,
six, nine.
A lot of people know, Oh yeah,I'll do omega threes.
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And I was like, well, what aboutyour six and nine?
So it's better to do your omega3, 6, 9 than just one of the
omegas.
That's certainly more costeffective.
When it comes to joint.
Mm hmm.
What about green lipped mussel?
So that's one I'm not reallyfamiliar with and, you can do it
for both dogs and cats.
All of these things you can dofor both dogs and cats.
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Why don't you talk about greenlipped mussel a little bit?
Green lipped mussel is somethingthat's newer.
It comes from New Zealand.
And I would say, like, not evenfive years ago we didn't talk
about green lip muscles, really.
Like I said, it's a newer thingthat's very effective with your
joints.
And, it's a mussel, M U S S E L,it is marine wildlife, I guess
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you want to call it.
I've seen mussel on the menu atmany places, so I know that
people eat mussels as well.
But this is a specific type ofmussel that is grown in New
Zealand it helps with everythingthat the glucosamine and
chondroitin and the omegas helpwith.
There's Super Snouts, which is,a brand, and they have a green
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lip muscle powder.
And that's like, that's, likeyou said, it's good for cats and
dogs.
And, um, it, again, it helpswith the inflammation, the joint
mobility, the, the lubricationof your joints.
It helps with hip dysplasia,elbow dysplasia, it helps with
the arthritis as well, becausethat's the inflammation that you
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have to worry about that causesthe pain.
And it can actually help withthe pain as well to an extent.
There's medications likeGalloprant, which is Good for
pain and it has fewer sideeffects than say carprofen Which
is Rimadyl which is Rimadyl thatcan have liver effects.
Yeah whereas like Galloprant,it's effective, but has fewer
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side effects.
And those are prescriptionmedications.
Prescriptions.
That's, you know, going back toa more traditional route.
Right.
We found that osteoarthritis isgonna be the number one, cause
of chronic pain in dogs, andthat greater than one in five
dogs are going to have this kindof pain.
All of these things can benefitpeople as well.
So if you're feeling a littlecreaky you might want to give
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these things a try.
but we of course want to giveour animals, especially if they
are injured and healing we wantto give them the best
opportunities that we can.
Moving on to you know, the nextthing We could talk about CBD.
Why don't you talk about justsome of your experiences with
CBD and the the rescue animals?
Well, I think it's funny that wedo get samples of CBD and a lot
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of the samples that we get Arelower dosed.
Yeah, it's like water.
Yeah Yeah, pretty much and thenyou know, and then when you have
the edibles like here give yourdog this biscuit And my dog is a
90 pound Shepherd Malamute mix.
And so I'm like, here Heath,take the entire bag.
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Not cost effective.
Not cost effective.
Not, you know, it's just notthat effective in general
because he really doesn't needto eat an entire bag of
biscuits.
So Jme did actually, you did alot of research on the different
CBD, tonics.
Yeah, I got into it because ofZelda.
For those of you who don't know,I had a little terrier and she
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was put on a heating pad duringher dental surgery and the
heating pad malfunctioned andshe basically roasted like she
was put on a grill.
It is too common actually of aproblem.
We should probably dedicate awhole episode to that.
But.
It is not the right tool forthat process, that procedure.
There are other safer tools, butfor whatever reason that day,
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the vet tech did something shenever does.
She went to a drawer, they neveropen, grabbed this heating pad
and cooked my dog to death.
Before that though, when wewere, you know, discovering what
was going on with her she was ona lot of narcotics and, you
know, she would still cry andwhine she would try and sit down
then she'd pop back up and thepoor thing was so tired and the
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drugs were just not doing it forher.
And, I tried some CBD and shewas able to lay down and sleep.
And I was like, wow, okay, allthose narcotics and that didn't
help her, but, and she was onthe max dose of everything, but,
you know, here she is with theCBD and she was able to sleep.
And thankfully, she was like aneight pound dog, so I could give
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her even five treats and it'snot gonna break the bank.
But I do remember thinking itwas kind of a ridiculous amount
of treats, it seemed like.
And that's for a small dog.
But so I started to get reallyinterested in this and and how
effective it was.
And yes, my poor dog died.
But I started thinking, well,maybe this can help.
Me, too, with some of the, thepain that I have, and, it also
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helps with anxiety and someother things.
And so I started trying it andtrying the pet kind and um, and
then I obviously, you know,tried some humankind.
But then, we tried these samplesand and it was very
inconsistent.
At first we kind of weren'treally sure why, but you know, a
dose that's basically like onetiny bit of CBD and then the
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whole bottles oil.
I mean, you're wasting yourmoney.
And so we we actually Talked toa farm in Colorado that grows
their own, pot or whatever, and,and they were, making this,
tincture.
Marijuana.
Yeah, well, and, and there's CBDthat comes from hemp and there's
CBD that comes from marijuana,so you can do different ones.
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But, anyway, it doesn't get youhigh, I can tell you that much.
I worked with them and came upwith a formula that was really
effective and we had a fewanimals that had terrible
anxiety and wow, it really tonedthem down.
So one I can think of a cat thatwas peeing and was being really
angry, super angry.
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And we gave her the CBD and sheturned into like the nicest cat
ever.
So what was it?
She was in pain?
Did she have anxiety?
We're not really sure, but itwas literally like magic for
that cat.
And then what was the dog's namethat had the crazy eyes?
The Catahoula mix little dog.
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And she was diabetic.
Chloe.
Yeah.
Chloe.
I mean, this dog was Jumpingover fences, trying to go
through windows.
Yeah, well, I mean she, she wasdeaf.
She was deaf and she hadseparation anxiety.
Yeah, because, yeah, when Ifirst started bringing her to
the daycare, if I left the room,she would jump through the
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windows.
Yeah.
I mean the windows were open,primarily.
Unlike the other Catahoula,who's deaf, who jumped through a
window.
Yes, that's the one we currentlyhave named, Clint.
But he's not diabetic.
No.
So this dog had separationanxiety terribly.
And we started giving her theCBD and it worked really well.
And I remember when she gotadopted her mom was like, well,
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we'll try weaning her off andshe let it run out And then she
called and she was like, oh mygod, I need some CBD and she
continued to buy it from us fora while for a while And then
after that, I you know, I'm notsure I'm not sure if she keeps
her on it I'm not sure if shejust bought a different kind.
She passed away.
Oh Cuz she she had juvenilediabetes And so when you have
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juvenile onset diabetes, it'snot like an older dog who gets
diabetes.
Uh, they just have a shortenedlifespan.
I did not know that.
Yeah, so sadly, so sadly she didpass away.
Okay.
Well, that's But she had agreat, loving life.
She did.
And her mom just loved her topieces.
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Just, and so it was very hard.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's terrible.
Thankfully she adopted herknowing that that was going to
happen.
I didn't really think about it,which kind of diabetes and that,
how that could really affect herlife.
So we did, you know, extensive,you know, unofficial
experimentation with it, both inpeople, and, our rescue animals,
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and it really has done wondersfor so many of them, I guess you
should say informal research.
What did I say?
Rather than experimentation.
Oh, informal, yeah.
Yeah.
I wouldn't give anything to myanimal that I wouldn't be
willing to eat.
So, I was for sure gonna try itand see what it was like.
I remember, We had some peoplethat wanted to surrender their
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peeing cats and we were like noone's going to take your peeing
cats because You hate pee and sodoes everybody else and you
know, they're your cats.
You've had them from babies Whywould someone jump in to adopt,
a peeing cat and obviously, youknow, we don't say that like in
a mean way But that's just thereality.
That's the reality is that apeeing cat is Not a cat you can
rehome.
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Right if you're having issuesother people are gonna have
issues and they don't have thatbackground of love that you've
had for years.
They came in and got a sampleand, and we do give free
samples.
So, if you email us with youraddress and your dog or cat's
weight, then we can dose thatout for you.
We do appreciate a 5 donation tohelp us offset the cost of
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shipping, but this is somethingthat we, We want to provide to
introduce people to an effectivedose and effective brand that
really works Because so manyreally don't because they're
meant to profit they just wantto profit We want to really help
animals, but so these peoplecame in with their little kids
and the cat They got CBD fortheir cats and when they would
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come back they're like, We needJme's magic juice.
That's what the kids called it,which I thought was hilarious.
But they're like, It's magic andit makes our cats happy.
Far more often than not, itreally does work.
And typically the worst thing isthat they're just going to fall
asleep if you give them toomuch.
They're just going to get dopey.
Sometimes cats are the opposite.
Their metabolism is justdifferent and it's kind of like
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when people take CBD Noteveryone responds to it the same
way.
Just because everyone hasmetabolizes drugs, food, you
know, I mean, you can metabolizecheese.
I can't, I.
Digest.
Non metabolize.
Same thing.
Exactly.
But, I mean, everyone'sdifferent, so our body reacts
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differently to different things.
And that's the same with catsand dogs.
Some dogs, super effective.
Some dogs, it doesn't work.
Some dogs need more.
Some dogs need less.
And that's the thing with cats,too, is that sometimes they go
the opposite extreme.
Instead of chilling out, it maymake them hyper.
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What we found in maybe one in 30or 40 animals, it works
oppositely.
My housemate, she adopted a dogfrom us and he has an extremely
high level of anxiety.
Um, the, when the message comesin on your phone and it pings,
That freaks him out.
Any kind of dinging, typewriterdinging, anything.
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He'll start shaking.
So, you know, he has extremeanxiety.
And, man, we Okay, we gave himCBD.
And he was like manic, runningaround like a little insane guy
on speed or something.
So it didn't work for him.
But you know, the 25 otheranimals that we tried it on, it
did work for.
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Which is why we do the samples.
Yes, exactly.
Because why spend a lot of moneyon something that you don't know
if it's going to work.
And if you don't know whatyou're doing, and you don't know
how much to give and all this,Like, yeah, why waste your
money?
So we really want to help peoplediscover.
An effective brand that is costeffective that you could
maintain and continue on butlet's kind of go back to the
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fact that if you're dealing withan older dog, Sundowners.
Well, yeah, if they're in painor they're having cognitive,
functional disabilities, thiscan help them.
It really can help them.
Especially because pain equalsgrumpy.
So you might have a dog that wasalways a really happy around
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other people, other animals, andthen maybe they're getting
cranky and then there, maybethey've snapped at a new puppy
or a person or something likethat because they're in pain.
CBD can really help with that.
And, and take that down a fewnotches.
And make them just feel at easein their own skin.
And that's something that I,talk about too with dogs that
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are just like over the top.
Maybe because they were bredthat way.
You know, some dogs are superintense, but they can't be happy
in...Niall.
Yes, he's a great example.
They can't be happy in theirskin.
Because they don't have a job.
We're just putting them in ourapartments or our houses or even
if we exercise them for amillion miles a week.
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They're just so high strung andthey can't really be happy
because they can't settle.
There's no job for them Yeah,working breed.
Oh and and even if even if youcould they could work themselves
to death, right?
You know like so the intensityof a German Shepherd and their
alertness and the constant Youknow kind of whining under their
breath like, you know, that's adog that is experiencing anxiety
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all the time.
And so This can really help butthen you add that aging and the
pain on top of it and, it makesa difference.
So we always suggest trying it.
And our favorite dose is athousand milligrams per ounce or
30 milliliters.
That is the most bang for yourbuck that you can pretty much
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get.
And you can use it for Both painand anxiety.
Um, and usually it's given at adose of 2mg per lb.
We have a chart, you tell usyour pet's weight, and then we
will, give you the target doseand give you some instructions
on, how to go up or down if youthink it's a little too much or
not helping enough, um, it'svery easy and very flexible to
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do that, and, you know, a littledog might take a lot, a big dog
might take a little, so you, youdo have to experiment a little
and not, you know, not just giveup right away, give it a couple
weeks, You definitely need toplay with the dosing.
We typically dose mid range,right?
And then that gives you leewayto go up higher.
Mm hmm.
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And the sample we give you istwo milliliters, so it won't
last a big dog very long if youdo it for a couple of days
consecutively.
But it could last a little dog,a few weeks.
Or cat a few weeks and you cansee if that helps.
But certainly that's somethingyou should consider, especially
before rehoming your animal, forsome kind of behavioral problem
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or euthanizing them for pain.
If you have any questions, youcan also email us at
rescueshit@motleyzoo.org.
And I'd be happy to answer anyquestions about that.
I'm not a vet.
But I am very experienced and wehave, many, many, many animals
and different kinds of speciesthat we've tried it on before,
too.
And we've had a lot of success.
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Yes, a far more success than,you know, people who are like,
ah, it didn't work.
Most people come back and buy abottle, but you know, a full
bottle is about 100.
Mm hmm.
So that's why it's like It's abig investment for something
that may or may not work, whichis why we do the samples.
So yeah, we want you to try itin hopes that it really works
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for you.
So one of the, the other thingsthat we could talk about are,
acupuncture and cold laser forpain and inflammation.
Why don't you maybe do a littlebit about cold laser?
Cold laser are LEDs, which is alight, you target a specific
area.
It's like a wand.
Yeah, yeah.
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And I would only recommendhaving, a professional and do it
because it's, it's a laser andit may be cold to the touch, but
it can overheat the tissuedepending on if you're not doing
it properly.
Cause I know that you candefinitely buy like your own
cold laser.
It's very expensive.
Isn't it?
Yeah.
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But you can still buy it, youknow?
I just wouldn't recommend itbecause you can actually burn
your dog for lack of a betterword.
Or cat.
But it, Has shown effectivenessin, Reducing inflammation and
then what else?
Increasing cell health.
Yeah.
Blood circulation.
Yeah.
Improvement.
Yeah, and that's an alternativemethod that can also help,
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decrease any like dependence onmedication such as like
carprofen or things like that.
So you could do cold lasertherapy and if it's effective
not medicate.
So it's you know can help withliver and kidneys etc.
Yeah, and anecdotally mostpeople that have tried it do
feel like it has improved theirquality of life for their pets?
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there's red laser and blue laserand I have experience with this
because I found a squirrel whowas paralyzed and You're not
supposed to have squirrels.
I don't have him but I wanted togive him a chance and see if I
could help him overcome so Iactually started doing
acupuncture and cold laser withhim and it was the first
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squirrel and probably the lastthat the vet would ever see.
You can probably imagine thatdoing acupuncture on any pet
might be a little bit hard, butit was interesting because he
grew to like it.
The first time he was scared andhe, tried to bite me, after that
though when I put the gloves onhe would just come up to me and
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he would relax.
And she would always start byputting one pin in his forehead
and he would close his eyes andhe would look up and he would
let her do that and then Shewould do the other pins and
She'd feel along his spine andtry and find The pressure points
and things like that and therewere some that made him want to
kick and do things and it wasfunny But he loved it.
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Um, I mean that's theacupuncture not the therapy.
Well the light therapy.
I haven't gotten there yet Yeah,so we would do the acupuncture
and And I would have to hold himfor about 15, 10, 15 minutes.
I don't think squirrels ever sitfor 10 or 15 minutes.
And he would.
He was a good little boy and hewould sit there and then we
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would take them out and then shewould do the cold laser.
I can't remember if it was thered for this or blue for that.
I want to say it was red for themuscles.
And she would go over, his legsand his back, and he would
visibly, like, relax.
And so he liked it.
And then, he had a little, likean injury on his leg, and she
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would use the blue one for that,for healing.
It did improve his mobility.
It did not cure him of his, lackof best use of his legs.
So he could never hop.
It didn't matter.
He had crazy strong forearmstrength.
Like he climbed everywhere.
He was like a gymnast and hewould swing around the branches.
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In the end he got tangled in hisblankets and somehow he hurt
himself.
irreparably, and so we had tolet him go.
But it was interesting becauseI've tried acupuncture myself,
and I find it helps.
People do it differently.
So I've had, you know, some thatis more subtle than others, and
some that's, you know, way morelike, whoa.
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Not painful, but just differentfeeling.
We have done acupuncture beforeon some of our older dogs, And
didn't we do it on a cat too?
I feel like we did.
Yeah, I think we did.
I'm trying to think of what catit was.
I remember it was Grasshopperthe dog.
But it was a very good, mildmannered cat.
Yeah, and I don't remember whatit was for, but I'm pretty sure
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we did it for a cat too.
Was it Bob?
I don't know.
I've heard people that say it'svery effective for them, and
other people say it's not.
Mm-hmm I mean, my husband is aperson who's, I call him the
nocebo person because he can'ttell if anything ever works.
I'm like, that doesn't mean itdidn't work.
You just, you don't want tocommit to saying it works.
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So I do think that for a lot ofpeople, between that and the
cold laser, those are, arethings that do work for many
pets.
And, you know, nothing is a, youknow, blanket gonna work for
everybody all the time.
Um, it's the same with what,like diets and exercise mm-hmm
And, and all sorts of otherthings.
So, you know, people aredifferent, animals are
different.
Right.
We've tried the CBD with thesquirrel, and Bunny, that had an
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injury.
Also, in our kennels, we ask ourclients when they come in, are
you interested in, CBD if yourdog needs it.
And we put it in a pill pocketand we call it the gushers.
Fruit gushers.
Fruit gushers.
And so, yeah, a lot of peoplemaybe haven't had experience
with it before, but we talk tothem about it, and I would say
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most of the clients do say yeah,totally go ahead and try it, if
their pet is having anxiety.
Especially if your dog's neverbeen boarded for it before and
you don't know how they're goingto handle it, CBD can be great.
Yeah, just takes that littleedge off.
It doesn't change their mindsetor anything like that.
It just gives them a little, alittle bit of a calming so that
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they can, like process what'sgoing around them instead of
just being so fearful.
Yeah, it increases feelings ofwell being.
And, you know, if you A littlezen.
Yes.
If you want to get scientific,our brains actually have
receptors for CBD and we makeit.
We make a certain kind of CBD inour bodies, animals, people.
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So adding the CBD can ensurethat more of the receptors get
the CBD, And it just kind ofmakes you feel nice and it
doesn't make you feel druggedout.
Like, I would so much rather tryCBD than Trazodone on a dog.
I hear a lot of groomers preferCBD over Trazodone.
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Just because Trazodone cansometimes have that Like weird
effect.
It makes them unpredictable.
And then just flat out like,oooohhh, and they can't stand
up.
One of the other things, it'snot a alternative medication,
but we could talk a little bitabout gabapentin.
It's good for pain.
It's, it's for neurologic pain,it really is effective for a lot
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of the, the older dogs, butthat's a prescription versus a
supplement.
Cause we had discussedsupplements before that you
could just like start givingyour dogs, whatever.
There's, like I said, theGalloprant, which is an anti
inflammatory.
The Gabapentin helps, forneurologic pain.
We as adults, we as adults, weas people, yeah, humans.
We take gabapentin as well.
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I mean, I actually, I can't takegabapentin.
I, I do, I do take gabapentin.
So for, you know, um, postsurgery, yeah, post surgery.
And I'll tell you that, thatlike knocked me out.
But again, everyone's different,right?
So my husband took gabapentinand he was fine.
I, was still tired the next day.
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So, um, but that effect for thedogs, it can, decrease anxiety
for cats.
If your cats are nasty at thevet, you give them gabapentin
the night before, gabapentin theday of, and they may not try to
kill the vet.
Always a good thing.
Yeah.
Right.
So that, I mean, so it's got,dual benefits and same thing
with dogs, you know, give themgabapentin before you go to the
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vet.
Samantha my mini Aussie, no, Ididn't get a mini Aussie on
purpose.
She was a hoarding situation.
It was a, it was a horriblehoarding situation.
And, uh, she lived her life in acage and was only out once to
get impregnated.
And she was pregnant at ninemonths because, um, That's what
this hoarder.
No, it wasn't hoarding.
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It was backyard breeding.
Well, it was a little of bothWell, I mean cuz he had a lot of
like a hundred dogs It was waytoo many barn like stacked on
crates and this was the secondtime they got him wasn't it?
I thought it was a third.
Oh, and we're like, come on likecome on.
Many Aussies are supposed to belike 35 pounds everyone thinks
that these tiny little ManyAussies Those should be toy mini
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Aussies, because an actual miniAussie is like 35 pounds,
because a standard Aussie islike 60, right?
He started out, like the olderdogs that we got, that were like
8 years or whatever, were liketypical mini Aussie size, 35
pounds.
And the younger ones, They weregetting smaller and smaller and
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smaller.
And so we had Samantha, who wassupposed to be named after the
Crow.
She was supposed to be namedShelly.
Shelly Webster.
But she decided to give birth tothree females.
Was Samantha from, SamanthaJones, Sex and the City.
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Yeah.
I've never seen that.
That's not my type of show.
No, but you have those fourfemales and now I'm stuck with
the dog names Samantha Jones andI'm not even a fan.
Whereas I'm a fan of the crow.
So if she'd thrown out some boyswe could have had you know a
crow thing going on and shewould be Shelly Webster.
But nonetheless, she's shown herage.
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She's very stiff legged.
She is on the supplements andgabapentin definitely you see a
difference with her with thegabapentin before it would be
really hard to walk just alittle short stint, like a block
around, the city, like a cityblock and That brings up the
point too that, keeping theirweight down is really important
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when your dogs have arthritisand joint issues.
Well, keeping them mobile, makethem move.
Yeah, mobile and keeping theirweight down.
So, being heavy, that's notgoing to be good for them.
No.
And then, yeah, keeping themmobile.
It's like pressure on theirjoints.
It's really use it or lose it,and the same is true for people.
If you start sitting down andyou don't do activity, you're
going to get stiff and tight,and that's why you get some
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people that are like 100 yearsold and they're freaking doing
gymnastics or something.
There was like a lady who was inher 90s and she was still doing
gymnastics.
Really?
Yeah, I was like, wow, okay,she's got flexibility, I don't
even know I have it.
I can't even touch my toes, so.
Cool.
Frankly, I worry about myselfbecause my hip problem does
limit my mobility and itprevents me from wanting to do
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certain things, even taking mydogs for a walk a lot.
And so that's why I really wantto get it fixed because.
You know, let's say I only have25 or 30 years left in my life.
I really I want it I want to bedoing stuff I want to go be
hiking and you know be out inthe world and surfing and
snowboarding And I've beenfeeling like I'm 80 and I'm not
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even close.
Yeah.
So yeah, I mean Samantha isolder and she is on the
glucosamine chondroitin.
She's on the green lip muscleAnd she has gabapentin at night,
just cause she's got, a touch ofmini Aussie sundowners, that
little girl, she, she, she angryat night if you don't run around
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the property, and this is a fiveacre property.
Explain sundowners a little bitmore.
Um, Like because it happens topeople too.
It's like, it's doggy dementiabasically and so they get a
little more anxious a littlemore upset for lack of a better
word restless and Demanding andand it's called that because it
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happens at night at night.
Exactly.
So during the day they could befine They could be sleeping.
Everything's great.
And then as the Sun goes downhence the name they start
showing these behaviors thatare, dementia.
Like, we see them start panting,start, pacing, you know?
So she's starting to have alittle bit of dementia, but I
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mean girlfriend needs herschedule and every night she
demands.
To go outside and I don'tpatrol.
Yeah, she does have a littlepatrol I'm like dude, you're
you're like 20 pounds, butthat's part of her herding
instinct, you know, she's aherding dog and so now when it
comes down to it, she's likeshe's got to express her
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instinct and Yeah, so it's it'sreally important to consider You
know how helpless your your petsare and what you can really do
to help them.
She went from not being able towalk a block in the city, to
running around at night.
She is mobile now and thesesupplements do help and the
gabapentin helps her I don'tknow if she's having any
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neurologic pain, but she'sdefinitely not as stiff and she,
she definitely does relax atnight.
So.
Well sometimes you don't know ifthey're having neurologic pain
and the only way you can figureit out is if you, talk to your
vet and say, Hey, can we trygabapentin for this?
Okay, we're wrapping up.
I was going to say gabapentin,but we're not.
We're wrapping up aging in pets.
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And some ways that you can helpthem.
Yes.
Supplements and alternativetreatments.
If there's a supplement oralternative treatment that
you've tried, or that didn'twork for you, and you know, you
want to talk about it, you canemail us at
rescueshit@motleyzoo.org andtell us what you think or give
us some ideas for otherepisodes.
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Well, I'm Jme.
I'm Pate.
This is Motley's Zoo AnimalRescue.
And this is our podcast RescueShit.
Rock on.
You'd think we would have thisdown by now.
It's like, I think it's myfault.
I think I do it wrong everytime.
But is there a right or wrongway?
(34:06):
Yeah, I don't know.
You can start.
Rock on.
Rescue on.
Woof!
Hi, I'm Pate., I'm Jme.
We are Motley Zoo Animal Rescue.
And this is our podcast, RescueShit.
Join us today as we discuss,what's our topic today?
Today, we are going to talkabout the aging process with
dogs and cats and some of thesupplements that can help them
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have a better quality of life asthey get older.
Other treatments too,alternative treatments.
Alternative treatments, which wehave experience with.
You are going to be the experton the supplements.
When we're talking about, youknow, the typical ones that
people have heard of, we knowabout glucosamine and
(00:45):
chondroitin and MSM is also upthere.
Why don't you talk about thosetwo, even though they're the
most common that people mightknow about.
Let's, let's talk about thoseand their applications.
Right.
So as our animals age, they candevelop osteoarthritis, they get
the stiff joints, their mobilitylessens, or it can lessen as you
(01:09):
get older.
I mean, same with us people,right?
And some of the supplements thatwe use for the animals are
similar to what we use for ourown joints, which is the
glucosamine Chondroitin.
With the M msm.
Mm-hmm.
Some supplements are justglucose mean.
Some of them are glucosamine andchondroitin, and some of'em have
(01:29):
the glucose mean Chondroitin andMSM for those who are thinking
about cost-effective ways ofgetting the supplement.
Costco has one that it's calledCosequin, which has a glucose
main conjoint and an MSMtogether.
That is great for your joints,for a dog's joints and a cat's
(01:49):
joints.
I think Cosequin though atCostco is just for dogs, but you
can get that supplement for catsas well.
That helps with the mobility.
It helps lubricate their joints,helps with their ligaments and
their tendons.
That's a very beneficialsupplement.
Well, and you might be surprisedto think that a dog that's seven
(02:12):
or eight is considered senior.
I mean that's like 50 or goingon 60 in human years.
I would say seven is usuallywhen you start to see the
changes.
I think that's most common inEspecially larger breeds.
Yes.
And yeah, larger breeds aregoing to have probably more
significant issues with thesekinds of things.
Whereas little dogs are, youknow, they're lightweight.
(02:33):
And, um, we talk about, youknow, little dogs often have
problems with their patellas,their knees, and their teeth.
And big dogs often have problemswith their hips and joints m ore
than anything else.
Right.
You, you worry about like hipdysplasia and elbow dysplasia in
the larger dogs more so than thesmaller dogs.
Mm hmm.
Doesn't mean that they can't getit, but it's more common with
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the larger breeds.
Well in an injury or a break toa bone or a joint is likely to
cause early, early onset ofarthritis, osteoarthritis.
When we're talking to people whoare like, well, how is this
going to impact their mobility?
And we're like, well, they'regonna get arthritis earlier,
your dog's gonna get arthritisanyway, so it's not that much of
(03:17):
a deterrent.
It's almost guaranteed that theywill get arthritis.
Yeah, especially if you arelucky enough to have them live a
long life, they're, they aregoing to experience that.
Very few people I would say arescared by that, but some are,
and you know, maybe they're theones with the very active
lifestyles, but your dog's stillgonna get arthritis at some
point.
Right, yeah, you'll notice.
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I mean, people will start doingthe supplements as the dogs
start slowing down.
You notice that it takes alittle bit longer for them to
get up.
But when we have a puppy, forexample, who has an amputation,
or a broken bone, or anythinglike that, that affects their
joints and their bones, they getstarted on the glucosamine
(03:58):
condroitin supplements rightaway.
We do a combination, as well asjust the glucosamine chondroitin
because that helps at one partand then you've got your omegas
that help with another part of,healing the healing, the joint
lubrication, So that's the omega3, 6, and 9.
Correct.
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It not only helps the coat andskin, but it's got fatty acids,
healthy fats, heart and brainhealth, joint lubrication.
It reduces inflammation.
These are all things that Patetold me that I'm just listing
because she knows more than me.
We use the Grizzly brand.
Yeah.
Grizzly product has, thecombination of the omega three,
six, nine.
A lot of people know, Oh yeah,I'll do omega threes.
(04:40):
And I was like, well, what aboutyour six and nine?
So it's better to do your omega3, 6, 9 than just one of the
omegas.
That's certainly more costeffective.
When it comes to joint.
Mm hmm.
What about green lipped mussel?
So that's one I'm not reallyfamiliar with and, you can do it
for both dogs and cats.
All of these things you can dofor both dogs and cats.
(05:02):
Why don't you talk about greenlipped mussel a little bit?
Green lipped mussel is somethingthat's newer.
It comes from New Zealand.
And I would say, like, not evenfive years ago we didn't talk
about green lip muscles, really.
Like I said, it's a newer thingthat's very effective with your
joints.
And, it's a mussel, M U S S E L,it is marine wildlife, I guess
(05:26):
you want to call it.
I've seen mussel on the menu atmany places, so I know that
people eat mussels as well.
But this is a specific type ofmussel that is grown in New
Zealand it helps with everythingthat the glucosamine and
chondroitin and the omegas helpwith.
There's Super Snouts, which is,a brand, and they have a green
(05:51):
lip muscle powder.
And that's like, that's, likeyou said, it's good for cats and
dogs.
And, um, it, again, it helpswith the inflammation, the joint
mobility, the, the lubricationof your joints.
It helps with hip dysplasia,elbow dysplasia, it helps with
the arthritis as well, becausethat's the inflammation that you
(06:13):
have to worry about that causesthe pain.
And it can actually help withthe pain as well to an extent.
There's medications likeGalloprant, which is Good for
pain and it has fewer sideeffects than say carprofen Which
is Rimadyl which is Rimadyl thatcan have liver effects.
Yeah whereas like Galloprant,it's effective, but has fewer
(06:36):
side effects.
And those are prescriptionmedications.
Prescriptions.
That's, you know, going back toa more traditional route.
Right.
We found that osteoarthritis isgonna be the number one, cause
of chronic pain in dogs, andthat greater than one in five
dogs are going to have this kindof pain.
All of these things can benefitpeople as well.
So if you're feeling a littlecreaky you might want to give
(06:57):
these things a try.
but we of course want to giveour animals, especially if they
are injured and healing we wantto give them the best
opportunities that we can.
Moving on to you know, the nextthing We could talk about CBD.
Why don't you talk about justsome of your experiences with
CBD and the the rescue animals?
Well, I think it's funny that wedo get samples of CBD and a lot
(07:21):
of the samples that we get Arelower dosed.
Yeah, it's like water.
Yeah Yeah, pretty much and thenyou know, and then when you have
the edibles like here give yourdog this biscuit And my dog is a
90 pound Shepherd Malamute mix.
And so I'm like, here Heath,take the entire bag.
(07:44):
Not cost effective.
Not cost effective.
Not, you know, it's just notthat effective in general
because he really doesn't needto eat an entire bag of
biscuits.
So Jme did actually, you did alot of research on the different
CBD, tonics.
Yeah, I got into it because ofZelda.
For those of you who don't know,I had a little terrier and she
(08:06):
was put on a heating pad duringher dental surgery and the
heating pad malfunctioned andshe basically roasted like she
was put on a grill.
It is too common actually of aproblem.
We should probably dedicate awhole episode to that.
But.
It is not the right tool forthat process, that procedure.
There are other safer tools, butfor whatever reason that day,
(08:28):
the vet tech did something shenever does.
She went to a drawer, they neveropen, grabbed this heating pad
and cooked my dog to death.
Before that though, when wewere, you know, discovering what
was going on with her she was ona lot of narcotics and, you
know, she would still cry andwhine she would try and sit down
then she'd pop back up and thepoor thing was so tired and the
(08:48):
drugs were just not doing it forher.
And, I tried some CBD and shewas able to lay down and sleep.
And I was like, wow, okay, allthose narcotics and that didn't
help her, but, and she was onthe max dose of everything, but,
you know, here she is with theCBD and she was able to sleep.
And thankfully, she was like aneight pound dog, so I could give
(09:10):
her even five treats and it'snot gonna break the bank.
But I do remember thinking itwas kind of a ridiculous amount
of treats, it seemed like.
And that's for a small dog.
But so I started to get reallyinterested in this and and how
effective it was.
And yes, my poor dog died.
But I started thinking, well,maybe this can help.
Me, too, with some of the, thepain that I have, and, it also
(09:34):
helps with anxiety and someother things.
And so I started trying it andtrying the pet kind and um, and
then I obviously, you know,tried some humankind.
But then, we tried these samplesand and it was very
inconsistent.
At first we kind of weren'treally sure why, but you know, a
dose that's basically like onetiny bit of CBD and then the
(09:54):
whole bottles oil.
I mean, you're wasting yourmoney.
And so we we actually Talked toa farm in Colorado that grows
their own, pot or whatever, and,and they were, making this,
tincture.
Marijuana.
Yeah, well, and, and there's CBDthat comes from hemp and there's
CBD that comes from marijuana,so you can do different ones.
(10:15):
But, anyway, it doesn't get youhigh, I can tell you that much.
I worked with them and came upwith a formula that was really
effective and we had a fewanimals that had terrible
anxiety and wow, it really tonedthem down.
So one I can think of a cat thatwas peeing and was being really
angry, super angry.
(10:37):
And we gave her the CBD and sheturned into like the nicest cat
ever.
So what was it?
She was in pain?
Did she have anxiety?
We're not really sure, but itwas literally like magic for
that cat.
And then what was the dog's namethat had the crazy eyes?
The Catahoula mix little dog.
(10:57):
And she was diabetic.
Chloe.
Yeah.
Chloe.
I mean, this dog was Jumpingover fences, trying to go
through windows.
Yeah, well, I mean she, she wasdeaf.
She was deaf and she hadseparation anxiety.
Yeah, because, yeah, when Ifirst started bringing her to
the daycare, if I left the room,she would jump through the
(11:22):
windows.
Yeah.
I mean the windows were open,primarily.
Unlike the other Catahoula,who's deaf, who jumped through a
window.
Yes, that's the one we currentlyhave named, Clint.
But he's not diabetic.
No.
So this dog had separationanxiety terribly.
And we started giving her theCBD and it worked really well.
And I remember when she gotadopted her mom was like, well,
(11:45):
we'll try weaning her off andshe let it run out And then she
called and she was like, oh mygod, I need some CBD and she
continued to buy it from us fora while for a while And then
after that, I you know, I'm notsure I'm not sure if she keeps
her on it I'm not sure if shejust bought a different kind.
She passed away.
Oh Cuz she she had juvenilediabetes And so when you have
(12:07):
juvenile onset diabetes, it'snot like an older dog who gets
diabetes.
Uh, they just have a shortenedlifespan.
I did not know that.
Yeah, so sadly, so sadly she didpass away.
Okay.
Well, that's But she had agreat, loving life.
She did.
And her mom just loved her topieces.
(12:28):
Just, and so it was very hard.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's terrible.
Thankfully she adopted herknowing that that was going to
happen.
I didn't really think about it,which kind of diabetes and that,
how that could really affect herlife.
So we did, you know, extensive,you know, unofficial
experimentation with it, both inpeople, and, our rescue animals,
(12:48):
and it really has done wondersfor so many of them, I guess you
should say informal research.
What did I say?
Rather than experimentation.
Oh, informal, yeah.
Yeah.
I wouldn't give anything to myanimal that I wouldn't be
willing to eat.
So, I was for sure gonna try itand see what it was like.
I remember, We had some peoplethat wanted to surrender their
(13:10):
peeing cats and we were like noone's going to take your peeing
cats because You hate pee and sodoes everybody else and you
know, they're your cats.
You've had them from babies Whywould someone jump in to adopt,
a peeing cat and obviously, youknow, we don't say that like in
a mean way But that's just thereality.
That's the reality is that apeeing cat is Not a cat you can
rehome.
(13:30):
Right if you're having issuesother people are gonna have
issues and they don't have thatbackground of love that you've
had for years.
They came in and got a sampleand, and we do give free
samples.
So, if you email us with youraddress and your dog or cat's
weight, then we can dose thatout for you.
We do appreciate a 5 donation tohelp us offset the cost of
(13:54):
shipping, but this is somethingthat we, We want to provide to
introduce people to an effectivedose and effective brand that
really works Because so manyreally don't because they're
meant to profit they just wantto profit We want to really help
animals, but so these peoplecame in with their little kids
and the cat They got CBD fortheir cats and when they would
(14:18):
come back they're like, We needJme's magic juice.
That's what the kids called it,which I thought was hilarious.
But they're like, It's magic andit makes our cats happy.
Far more often than not, itreally does work.
And typically the worst thing isthat they're just going to fall
asleep if you give them toomuch.
They're just going to get dopey.
Sometimes cats are the opposite.
Their metabolism is justdifferent and it's kind of like
(14:41):
when people take CBD Noteveryone responds to it the same
way.
Just because everyone hasmetabolizes drugs, food, you
know, I mean, you can metabolizecheese.
I can't, I.
Digest.
Non metabolize.
Same thing.
Exactly.
But, I mean, everyone'sdifferent, so our body reacts
(15:02):
differently to different things.
And that's the same with catsand dogs.
Some dogs, super effective.
Some dogs, it doesn't work.
Some dogs need more.
Some dogs need less.
And that's the thing with cats,too, is that sometimes they go
the opposite extreme.
Instead of chilling out, it maymake them hyper.
(15:23):
What we found in maybe one in 30or 40 animals, it works
oppositely.
My housemate, she adopted a dogfrom us and he has an extremely
high level of anxiety.
Um, the, when the message comesin on your phone and it pings,
That freaks him out.
Any kind of dinging, typewriterdinging, anything.
(15:43):
He'll start shaking.
So, you know, he has extremeanxiety.
And, man, we Okay, we gave himCBD.
And he was like manic, runningaround like a little insane guy
on speed or something.
So it didn't work for him.
But you know, the 25 otheranimals that we tried it on, it
did work for.
(16:03):
Which is why we do the samples.
Yes, exactly.
Because why spend a lot of moneyon something that you don't know
if it's going to work.
And if you don't know whatyou're doing, and you don't know
how much to give and all this,Like, yeah, why waste your
money?
So we really want to help peoplediscover.
An effective brand that is costeffective that you could
maintain and continue on butlet's kind of go back to the
(16:28):
fact that if you're dealing withan older dog, Sundowners.
Well, yeah, if they're in painor they're having cognitive,
functional disabilities, thiscan help them.
It really can help them.
Especially because pain equalsgrumpy.
So you might have a dog that wasalways a really happy around
(16:49):
other people, other animals, andthen maybe they're getting
cranky and then there, maybethey've snapped at a new puppy
or a person or something likethat because they're in pain.
CBD can really help with that.
And, and take that down a fewnotches.
And make them just feel at easein their own skin.
And that's something that I,talk about too with dogs that
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are just like over the top.
Maybe because they were bredthat way.
You know, some dogs are superintense, but they can't be happy
in...Niall.
Yes, he's a great example.
They can't be happy in theirskin.
Because they don't have a job.
We're just putting them in ourapartments or our houses or even
if we exercise them for amillion miles a week.
(17:29):
They're just so high strung andthey can't really be happy
because they can't settle.
There's no job for them Yeah,working breed.
Oh and and even if even if youcould they could work themselves
to death, right?
You know like so the intensityof a German Shepherd and their
alertness and the constant Youknow kind of whining under their
breath like, you know, that's adog that is experiencing anxiety
(17:52):
all the time.
And so This can really help butthen you add that aging and the
pain on top of it and, it makesa difference.
So we always suggest trying it.
And our favorite dose is athousand milligrams per ounce or
30 milliliters.
That is the most bang for yourbuck that you can pretty much
(18:13):
get.
And you can use it for Both painand anxiety.
Um, and usually it's given at adose of 2mg per lb.
We have a chart, you tell usyour pet's weight, and then we
will, give you the target doseand give you some instructions
on, how to go up or down if youthink it's a little too much or
not helping enough, um, it'svery easy and very flexible to
(18:35):
do that, and, you know, a littledog might take a lot, a big dog
might take a little, so you, youdo have to experiment a little
and not, you know, not just giveup right away, give it a couple
weeks, You definitely need toplay with the dosing.
We typically dose mid range,right?
And then that gives you leewayto go up higher.
Mm hmm.
(18:55):
And the sample we give you istwo milliliters, so it won't
last a big dog very long if youdo it for a couple of days
consecutively.
But it could last a little dog,a few weeks.
Or cat a few weeks and you cansee if that helps.
But certainly that's somethingyou should consider, especially
before rehoming your animal, forsome kind of behavioral problem
(19:15):
or euthanizing them for pain.
If you have any questions, youcan also email us at
rescueshit@motleyzoo.org.
And I'd be happy to answer anyquestions about that.
I'm not a vet.
But I am very experienced and wehave, many, many, many animals
and different kinds of speciesthat we've tried it on before,
too.
And we've had a lot of success.
(19:36):
Yes, a far more success than,you know, people who are like,
ah, it didn't work.
Most people come back and buy abottle, but you know, a full
bottle is about 100.
Mm hmm.
So that's why it's like It's abig investment for something
that may or may not work, whichis why we do the samples.
So yeah, we want you to try itin hopes that it really works
(19:58):
for you.
So one of the, the other thingsthat we could talk about are,
acupuncture and cold laser forpain and inflammation.
Why don't you maybe do a littlebit about cold laser?
Cold laser are LEDs, which is alight, you target a specific
area.
It's like a wand.
Yeah, yeah.
(20:19):
And I would only recommendhaving, a professional and do it
because it's, it's a laser andit may be cold to the touch, but
it can overheat the tissuedepending on if you're not doing
it properly.
Cause I know that you candefinitely buy like your own
cold laser.
It's very expensive.
Isn't it?
Yeah.
(20:40):
But you can still buy it, youknow?
I just wouldn't recommend itbecause you can actually burn
your dog for lack of a betterword.
Or cat.
But it, Has shown effectivenessin, Reducing inflammation and
then what else?
Increasing cell health.
Yeah.
Blood circulation.
Yeah.
Improvement.
Yeah, and that's an alternativemethod that can also help,
(21:05):
decrease any like dependence onmedication such as like
carprofen or things like that.
So you could do cold lasertherapy and if it's effective
not medicate.
So it's you know can help withliver and kidneys etc.
Yeah, and anecdotally mostpeople that have tried it do
feel like it has improved theirquality of life for their pets?
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there's red laser and blue laserand I have experience with this
because I found a squirrel whowas paralyzed and You're not
supposed to have squirrels.
I don't have him but I wanted togive him a chance and see if I
could help him overcome so Iactually started doing
acupuncture and cold laser withhim and it was the first
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squirrel and probably the lastthat the vet would ever see.
You can probably imagine thatdoing acupuncture on any pet
might be a little bit hard, butit was interesting because he
grew to like it.
The first time he was scared andhe, tried to bite me, after that
though when I put the gloves onhe would just come up to me and
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he would relax.
And she would always start byputting one pin in his forehead
and he would close his eyes andhe would look up and he would
let her do that and then Shewould do the other pins and
She'd feel along his spine andtry and find The pressure points
and things like that and therewere some that made him want to
kick and do things and it wasfunny But he loved it.
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Um, I mean that's theacupuncture not the therapy.
Well the light therapy.
I haven't gotten there yet Yeah,so we would do the acupuncture
and And I would have to hold himfor about 15, 10, 15 minutes.
I don't think squirrels ever sitfor 10 or 15 minutes.
And he would.
He was a good little boy and hewould sit there and then we
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would take them out and then shewould do the cold laser.
I can't remember if it was thered for this or blue for that.
I want to say it was red for themuscles.
And she would go over, his legsand his back, and he would
visibly, like, relax.
And so he liked it.
And then, he had a little, likean injury on his leg, and she
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would use the blue one for that,for healing.
It did improve his mobility.
It did not cure him of his, lackof best use of his legs.
So he could never hop.
It didn't matter.
He had crazy strong forearmstrength.
Like he climbed everywhere.
He was like a gymnast and hewould swing around the branches.
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In the end he got tangled in hisblankets and somehow he hurt
himself.
irreparably, and so we had tolet him go.
But it was interesting becauseI've tried acupuncture myself,
and I find it helps.
People do it differently.
So I've had, you know, some thatis more subtle than others, and
some that's, you know, way morelike, whoa.
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Not painful, but just differentfeeling.
We have done acupuncture beforeon some of our older dogs, And
didn't we do it on a cat too?
I feel like we did.
Yeah, I think we did.
I'm trying to think of what catit was.
I remember it was Grasshopperthe dog.
But it was a very good, mildmannered cat.
Yeah, and I don't remember whatit was for, but I'm pretty sure
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we did it for a cat too.
Was it Bob?
I don't know.
I've heard people that say it'svery effective for them, and
other people say it's not.
Mm-hmm I mean, my husband is aperson who's, I call him the
nocebo person because he can'ttell if anything ever works.
I'm like, that doesn't mean itdidn't work.
You just, you don't want tocommit to saying it works.
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So I do think that for a lot ofpeople, between that and the
cold laser, those are, arethings that do work for many
pets.
And, you know, nothing is a, youknow, blanket gonna work for
everybody all the time.
Um, it's the same with what,like diets and exercise mm-hmm
And, and all sorts of otherthings.
So, you know, people aredifferent, animals are
different.
Right.
We've tried the CBD with thesquirrel, and Bunny, that had an
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injury.
Also, in our kennels, we ask ourclients when they come in, are
you interested in, CBD if yourdog needs it.
And we put it in a pill pocketand we call it the gushers.
Fruit gushers.
Fruit gushers.
And so, yeah, a lot of peoplemaybe haven't had experience
with it before, but we talk tothem about it, and I would say
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most of the clients do say yeah,totally go ahead and try it, if
their pet is having anxiety.
Especially if your dog's neverbeen boarded for it before and
you don't know how they're goingto handle it, CBD can be great.
Yeah, just takes that littleedge off.
It doesn't change their mindsetor anything like that.
It just gives them a little, alittle bit of a calming so that
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they can, like process what'sgoing around them instead of
just being so fearful.
Yeah, it increases feelings ofwell being.
And, you know, if you A littlezen.
Yes.
If you want to get scientific,our brains actually have
receptors for CBD and we makeit.
We make a certain kind of CBD inour bodies, animals, people.
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So adding the CBD can ensurethat more of the receptors get
the CBD, And it just kind ofmakes you feel nice and it
doesn't make you feel druggedout.
Like, I would so much rather tryCBD than Trazodone on a dog.
I hear a lot of groomers preferCBD over Trazodone.
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Just because Trazodone cansometimes have that Like weird
effect.
It makes them unpredictable.
And then just flat out like,oooohhh, and they can't stand
up.
One of the other things, it'snot a alternative medication,
but we could talk a little bitabout gabapentin.
It's good for pain.
It's, it's for neurologic pain,it really is effective for a lot
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of the, the older dogs, butthat's a prescription versus a
supplement.
Cause we had discussedsupplements before that you
could just like start givingyour dogs, whatever.
There's, like I said, theGalloprant, which is an anti
inflammatory.
The Gabapentin helps, forneurologic pain.
We as adults, we as adults, weas people, yeah, humans.
We take gabapentin as well.
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I mean, I actually, I can't takegabapentin.
I, I do, I do take gabapentin.
So for, you know, um, postsurgery, yeah, post surgery.
And I'll tell you that, thatlike knocked me out.
But again, everyone's different,right?
So my husband took gabapentinand he was fine.
I, was still tired the next day.
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So, um, but that effect for thedogs, it can, decrease anxiety
for cats.
If your cats are nasty at thevet, you give them gabapentin
the night before, gabapentin theday of, and they may not try to
kill the vet.
Always a good thing.
Yeah.
Right.
So that, I mean, so it's got,dual benefits and same thing
with dogs, you know, give themgabapentin before you go to the
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vet.
Samantha my mini Aussie, no, Ididn't get a mini Aussie on
purpose.
She was a hoarding situation.
It was a, it was a horriblehoarding situation.
And, uh, she lived her life in acage and was only out once to
get impregnated.
And she was pregnant at ninemonths because, um, That's what
this hoarder.
No, it wasn't hoarding.
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It was backyard breeding.
Well, it was a little of bothWell, I mean cuz he had a lot of
like a hundred dogs It was waytoo many barn like stacked on
crates and this was the secondtime they got him wasn't it?
I thought it was a third.
Oh, and we're like, come on likecome on.
Many Aussies are supposed to belike 35 pounds everyone thinks
that these tiny little ManyAussies Those should be toy mini
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Aussies, because an actual miniAussie is like 35 pounds,
because a standard Aussie islike 60, right?
He started out, like the olderdogs that we got, that were like
8 years or whatever, were liketypical mini Aussie size, 35
pounds.
And the younger ones, They weregetting smaller and smaller and
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smaller.
And so we had Samantha, who wassupposed to be named after the
Crow.
She was supposed to be namedShelly.
Shelly Webster.
But she decided to give birth tothree females.
Was Samantha from, SamanthaJones, Sex and the City.
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Yeah.
I've never seen that.
That's not my type of show.
No, but you have those fourfemales and now I'm stuck with
the dog names Samantha Jones andI'm not even a fan.
Whereas I'm a fan of the crow.
So if she'd thrown out some boyswe could have had you know a
crow thing going on and shewould be Shelly Webster.
But nonetheless, she's shown herage.
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She's very stiff legged.
She is on the supplements andgabapentin definitely you see a
difference with her with thegabapentin before it would be
really hard to walk just alittle short stint, like a block
around, the city, like a cityblock and That brings up the
point too that, keeping theirweight down is really important
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when your dogs have arthritisand joint issues.
Well, keeping them mobile, makethem move.
Yeah, mobile and keeping theirweight down.
So, being heavy, that's notgoing to be good for them.
No.
And then, yeah, keeping themmobile.
It's like pressure on theirjoints.
It's really use it or lose it,and the same is true for people.
If you start sitting down andyou don't do activity, you're
going to get stiff and tight,and that's why you get some
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people that are like 100 yearsold and they're freaking doing
gymnastics or something.
There was like a lady who was inher 90s and she was still doing
gymnastics.
Really?
Yeah, I was like, wow, okay,she's got flexibility, I don't
even know I have it.
I can't even touch my toes, so.
Cool.
Frankly, I worry about myselfbecause my hip problem does
limit my mobility and itprevents me from wanting to do
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certain things, even taking mydogs for a walk a lot.
And so that's why I really wantto get it fixed because.
You know, let's say I only have25 or 30 years left in my life.
I really I want it I want to bedoing stuff I want to go be
hiking and you know be out inthe world and surfing and
snowboarding And I've beenfeeling like I'm 80 and I'm not
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even close.
Yeah.
So yeah, I mean Samantha isolder and she is on the
glucosamine chondroitin.
She's on the green lip muscleAnd she has gabapentin at night,
just cause she's got, a touch ofmini Aussie sundowners, that
little girl, she, she, she angryat night if you don't run around
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the property, and this is a fiveacre property.
Explain sundowners a little bitmore.
Um, Like because it happens topeople too.
It's like, it's doggy dementiabasically and so they get a
little more anxious a littlemore upset for lack of a better
word restless and Demanding andand it's called that because it
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happens at night at night.
Exactly.
So during the day they could befine They could be sleeping.
Everything's great.
And then as the Sun goes downhence the name they start
showing these behaviors thatare, dementia.
Like, we see them start panting,start, pacing, you know?
So she's starting to have alittle bit of dementia, but I
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mean girlfriend needs herschedule and every night she
demands.
To go outside and I don'tpatrol.
Yeah, she does have a littlepatrol I'm like dude, you're
you're like 20 pounds, butthat's part of her herding
instinct, you know, she's aherding dog and so now when it
comes down to it, she's likeshe's got to express her
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instinct and Yeah, so it's it'sreally important to consider You
know how helpless your your petsare and what you can really do
to help them.
She went from not being able towalk a block in the city, to
running around at night.
She is mobile now and thesesupplements do help and the
gabapentin helps her I don'tknow if she's having any
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neurologic pain, but she'sdefinitely not as stiff and she,
she definitely does relax atnight.
So.
Well sometimes you don't know ifthey're having neurologic pain
and the only way you can figureit out is if you, talk to your
vet and say, Hey, can we trygabapentin for this?
Okay, we're wrapping up.
I was going to say gabapentin,but we're not.
We're wrapping up aging in pets.
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And some ways that you can helpthem.
Yes.
Supplements and alternativetreatments.
If there's a supplement oralternative treatment that
you've tried, or that didn'twork for you, and you know, you
want to talk about it, you canemail us at
rescueshit@motleyzoo.org andtell us what you think or give
us some ideas for otherepisodes.
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Well, I'm Jme.
I'm Pate.
This is Motley's Zoo AnimalRescue.
And this is our podcast RescueShit.
Rock on.
You'd think we would have thisdown by now.
It's like, I think it's myfault.
I think I do it wrong everytime.
But is there a right or wrongway?
(34:06):
Yeah, I don't know.
You can start.
Rock on.
Rescue on.
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