February 18, 2025 • 42 mins
Join us as we discuss the benefits of raw food and give a shout out to Darwin's Natural Pet Products who sponsor our animals with donated food (and free delivery)!
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jme (00:00):
Hi, I'm jme.
Now you forgot what you'resupposed to say?
Pate (00:06):
No, I forget.
I just, I don't know why Istarted laughing.
Um, I just
jme (00:10):
You don't know why you started laughing.
Pate (00:12):
I just, I don't know.
Um, okay.
This.
jme (00:17):
Hi, I'm jme.
Pate (00:18):
This is Pate
jme (00:19):
and this is our, no.
We are Motley Zoo.
Pate (00:24):
Animal Rescue.
jme (00:25):
Oh, uh huh.
Alright, I think we need tostart over.
Pate (00:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
jme (00:30):
Alright, hi, I'm Jamie.
Pate (00:31):
And I'm Patty.
jme (00:32):
We're Motley's Zoo Animal Rescue.
Pate (00:35):
I was gonna say Rock on Rescue All.
And this is our podcast, RescueShit.
No squeaking.
And we still don't have asqueaky toy.
Rob,
jme (00:44):
how could we forget that?
Pate (00:45):
Rob, can you say something?
jme (00:47):
Yes, would you like to meet our guest of honor today?
She's being disobedient.
Pate (00:51):
Rob?
Come hither.
Come here.
jme (00:56):
Oh, and you'll see we've hung our sign.
Pate (01:00):
There's our hand.
Oh, yeah, there we go.
jme (01:03):
And, uh, yeah, apparently Rob is not wanting to be on the
show.
Pate (01:07):
No.
She's, uh, she's a daddy's girl.
Mm hmm.
And daddy is.
Cheating on her right now with,uh, another dog that she can
see.
jme (01:17):
Uhhuh.
Yeah.
She's training.
She doesn't like that.
So today we're gonna talk aboutraw food.
Mm.
This is something that can bevery controversial.
Mm-hmm For a lot of people.
And we just wanna talk about ourexperiences with it and talk
about our sponsor of many of ourrescue dogs.
Pate (01:39):
It's, Darwin's Natural Pet Products has been donating, or
rather sponsoring, food, theirraw food, for our rescue dogs.
We've been With them for likewhat?
Approximately four years now.
jme (01:56):
Yeah.
Pate (01:57):
And they started donating to us back when we were at the
Redmond daycare.
And then there was obviouslythat transitional period that we
had when we moved over here andthey started up again, donating
the raw food for our foster dogshere at our Monroe property.
jme (02:16):
Do they come straight here?
Pate (02:17):
Yes, that's a good thing about Darwin's is that it's free
home delivery.
So that makes it very convenient
jme (02:25):
Well, I remember at the beginning that they weren't sure
that they were gonna be able tomake it up here So it's even
even more impressive.
Yeah that they've been sogenerous to us and they deliver
it right to us.
So this is really a spectacularservice and something we want to
say thank you to Darwin's for.
And I was saying that theircatchphrase should be the
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evolution of raw.
Pate (02:47):
Darwin's evolution.
I get it.
So clever.
jme (02:57):
We get the food for both cats and dogs, but primarily,
you know, we have a lot more,well, the dogs eat more, I
guess, than the cats can.
So, usually we focus on dog andwe often get beef or turkey or
chicken.
There's a couple different,varieties, but they also have
some lamb and duck, and theycome in a kind of like a patty,
(03:17):
it's almost like the shape, andthicker than a hamburger, but
it's about, yeah, and there'slike four patties in that
package, and they're freeze, uh,no, like.
Pate (03:29):
The wrap
jme (03:30):
shrink wrap is the word I wanted to say.
And so, you know, it's reallyeasy to, take them out and, and
thaw them and, and use them.
Pate (03:39):
Yeah.
jme (03:40):
So, we know the food is really high quality but, there's
a bunch of things you have tothink about before you can,
start giving raw food.
And one of those is how youhandle it.
Especially right now, this isgonna make our content not so
evergreen, but right now we areexperiencing an outbreak of bird
flu, in the United States andthere's actually a sizable
(04:02):
number of cases near us.
We are gonna do another episodeto update, on the status of
that, but it's important rightnow.
Especially for the chicken thatwe not be feeding raw chicken to
cats, especially.
So what are we doing right nowto combat any, kind of problems
with that?
Pate (04:20):
Well, it kind of, defeats the purpose of being raw, but
does not defeat the purpose ofbeing high quality, right?
And we are right now for thechicken, especially we are,
cooking it, there have been somecases of contamination, not with
Darwin's.
There has been contamination of,milk, you know, so don't do raw
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milk.
I don't do milk in general, so Idon't have to worry about that,
and we don't want to feed milkto our animals, but it is
crossing over to, the cows aswell.
And you know, the chickens,obviously you've seen it with
our lack of eggs in the grocerystore or our extremely high
priced few eggs in the grocerystore.
We are cooking our chicken justto be safe, we like to be
(05:06):
prudent, you know,
jme (05:08):
well, and of the bird flu that they've seen in cats, the
ones that weren't oncontaminated farms were cases
where the cats Drank or ate rawproducts.
So raw milk or raw chicken.
So, knowing that that is, adirect kind of correlation.
(05:28):
And who knows, I mean, it couldhave been raw chicken right out
of their backyard or raw chickenfrom a contaminated farm down
the street.
Pate (05:34):
Or yeah, or just like a random bird that they ate that
It's another topic of why youkeep cats inside the house.
jme (05:41):
Correct.
So, we're just trying to becautious.
Darwin's has three differentkinds of products.
They have the natural selectsproducts, which is free range,
Vegetarian and organic.
Organic.
Pate (05:54):
Organic, not vegetarian,
jme (05:56):
sorry.
I mean organic Organic range forveggies.
Yeah.
Free range.
Free range and organic for theirveggie components.
Pate (06:03):
That's funny.
jme (06:04):
It's human grade ethically sourced.
The price is a little bit moreper package, so it's about$5
more than the biologics, whichis.
Called economy.
Pate (06:15):
Well, I mean economic.
Yeah, it's it's more economic,right?
Because it's not It's not freerange.
It's still ethically sourced,but it's not free range animals
and it's not organic veggies perse
jme (06:32):
which is fine.
I also wanted to mention besidesthe natural selects biologics,
which is the one we usually use.
Yeah, there's intelligent designwith Which is formulated for
health issues.
Pate (06:44):
Yeah, so those are vet formulas.
Mm hmm for you know for kidneysand liver, cancer And other
issues joints.
jme (06:53):
Yeah, so there's a couple different varieties and you know
the people at Darwin's You knowwill help you figure out which
Recipe is right for you.
And remember there is freedelivery, right?
So this could be something thatyou You know, want to give it a
try.
Right.
And you can, we can say that,yeah, we, we do that and it's
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been primarily beneficial to,most of our animals.
We know that Darwin's is an upand up company that really tries
to support humane care and theenvironment.
Pate (07:25):
Right.
And then, and then supportadoption, centers like, rescues
and shelters like us.
So they're very like minded inthat way.
jme (07:33):
Yeah, I can say that no other company has come up to us
and said, well, they'll justgive us food.
Like other companies have saidthat we can get a discount.
But no other company has justsaid, here you go.
Pate (07:45):
Right?
I mean, and even, oh, and Iremember Hills, we were going
to, just for the sake of having,some standard, Food.
jme (07:57):
Yeah, consistency.
Pate (07:58):
Consistent, yeah, consistent food, just in case,
you know, donations were lowthat month or whatever, to have
consistent food.
I know that we had reached outto Hills because, they donate
quite a large portion of food tothe shelters, but, not to
rescues because we just don't, Idon't know, do the volume that
(08:18):
they, I,
jme (08:19):
yeah, I think volume is the problem.
You have to accept like palletsat a time.
And that's not something that asmaller rescue can do.
Pate (08:26):
Right.
Yeah.
jme (08:27):
So, one of the benefits of raw food, it's the enzymes,
right?
Pate (08:32):
Well, so raw food, as opposed to, the cooked.
Or extruded diets, they call itRMBD, so that's raw meat based
diets, are more biochemicallycomplex with bioactive.
Compounds.
So it's higher in antioxidants,like vitamin C and E, and
(08:55):
flavonoids.
So that's more beneficial toyour health.
And as we know, when you cookfood that, that's carcinogenic.
jme (09:02):
Yeah, there's chemical changes that happen when you
cook food.
And, it's probably especiallyknown When you're talking about
cooking, like meat on a grill,the charring is actually
something that they've shown canbe carcinogenic.
And the same is true for theoils that you use in your foods.
You should use high flashpointoils, because they're less
(09:24):
likely to make these chemicalchanges with heat.
Pate (09:27):
What?
Like what oil?
jme (09:28):
So, for example, avocado oil has a higher flashpoint than
olive oil.
So, if you cook it too much,olive oil can make this
transformation.
Pate (09:39):
What about coconut oil?
jme (09:40):
I'm not sure what the flashpoint is, but that's what
it's called, the flashpoint, andthat's where it can start to
mutate.
That's a little bit.
too scientific for us right now.
We don't want to get thatcomplicated.
Pate (09:52):
Yeah, no.
Well that's why, you look atyour research papers and stuff
like that.
Although, I can tell you thatyou know, cause I do a lot of
research and stuff I'm a dork,and I read a lot of medical
papers.
So when, when people argue aboutresearch I can push back on some
things.
jme (10:12):
Well, that's like, remember when we were trying to, talk to
the vets about, the Giardia andfloats, and we were saying that,
Pate (10:21):
cause Giardia sinks, so you're not going to see it in
the floats.
jme (10:24):
Correct.
And so we used the antigen test,the vets were saying that it
didn't work.
And we just kept asking for anypaper, any scientific paper that
showed that.
And no vet could give us any ofthat evidence.
Right.
And in the end, we lost theargument simply because we're
not vets, and they are.
Pate (10:44):
I read, and there was a, there was a CEU, which is
Continuing Education Credit,that vet techs and vets, you
know, have to, just like doctorsand nurses and therapists, you
have to do a certain number ofCEU, Continuing Education,
credits per year to continueyour license or whatever, and
(11:05):
there was actually, a CEU ongiardia where one of the vets
gave that, course about, GRDantigen tests and just GRD in
general, because it's, it's apain as everyone knows, like
giardia is out there and you cango in your backyard and it's out
(11:25):
there.
jme (11:25):
We should do.
I think we did an episode.
Pate (11:28):
Did we do an episode on GRD?
jme (11:30):
Well, we did it on parasites.
Are you sure?
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure.
I'll look.
Sometimes we forget what we did.
Pate (11:37):
I always blame my chemo brain for that.
jme (11:39):
I don't have that.
Pate (11:40):
I've got, I've got a great excuse.
jme (11:43):
I don't.
I don't.
I'm just dumb.
Yeah.
Pate (11:46):
No.
jme (11:49):
Well, we established that, I think it was in the last
episode where I'm like, whycan't I ever do the introduction
right?
But today I did it right and youdid it wrong
Pate (11:57):
and I just couldn't stop laughing.
So I don't know.
It's the sign.
Yeah.
So excited about the sign.
jme (12:02):
I know.
It is great because Especiallythe webcam on this new camera is
so much better.
So you can actually see thewords and I think even a little
bit of backlighting reallyhelps.
So well,
Pate (12:13):
and we've got a good day.
It's not too sunny.
jme (12:15):
Yes.
Overcast days are good for, forrecording.
Pate (12:18):
Yeah.
the thing is, is that we're notpromoting raw based.
If you're not comfortable givingraw food to your animals, we're
not pushing you for that.
We're just, this is ananecdotal, um, S um, story.
Yeah.
I don't know what, what, what isit?
Anecdotal data.
I don't know how you wanna sayit, but
jme (12:37):
it's just our experience.
Pate (12:38):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
jme (12:39):
And so most of the dogs do really well on it.
Pate (12:41):
Oh yeah.
I mean, and they all love it.
Yeah.
I think that you know, we wereworried when we started cooking
that some of the dogs would justturn their noses up at it.
'cause we do have some pickydogs.
Ned, and Ava.
And I don't know why they'repicky, because you got Ned,
who's uh, Mexican street dog,like, I'm sorry, you're on the
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streets, why are you so pickynow?
And then, Eva, who, again, Imean, she was on a chain, you
can't tell me that she was givengreat food, and then, after she
was off the chain, she wasroaming around for like nine
months on her own, scavenging,but now, she's like a little
pretty princess, and she's like,mm, no, thank you.
jme (13:21):
I will say, in the Daily Report, that go out to the staff
and the volunteers that areworking here on what's going on
and what was accomplished andwho ate and who was sick or
anything like that.
And Ava.
It's like a total diva
Pate (13:36):
Eva.
Yeah.
jme (13:37):
Yeah, they have to do little dances around to just
make her try and eat the flavorthings on and they do all the
things to try and get her toeat.
And she just is very picky.
Pate (13:47):
No.
Yeah, but she loves her Darwin'sthough, you know,
jme (13:51):
that's good.
Maybe it's like when she wasfirst rescued, once she got used
to being in the house, shedidn't want to go outside when
it was raining.
She's like, I remember all thosedays.
I remember scavenging and nowshe only eats caviar.
Pate (14:02):
Yeah, exactly.
Well, and then sometimes she'sjust like, I really don't want
to feel like that caviar.
So we have to get Rob whorefused to introduce herself on
the podcast today.
Like Rob, we'll have to go into.
Her area and sit there and then
jme (14:19):
create competition.
Pate (14:20):
Yeah, because I mean, and that's actually a very husky
thing to do.
jme (14:24):
Not like they're fighting for their food.
But if, if Rob is nearby, thenEva will eat.
She'll be more instinctuallymotivated to eat because she
feels like.
someone else could take herfood.
Pate (14:36):
Right.
jme (14:36):
Which is really, that's so weird for a dog that really did
live outside for most of thetime.
Pate (14:41):
But I mean, that's such a husky trait.
I see it so often in ourhuskies.
Allie, the blind husky that Ihave, she does the same thing.
I mean, ever since she was ababy, I'd have to get maxwell
was my Basenji.
And, he was very food motivated.
And, if Allie didn't want to eatand Max got close, she could
smell him because she's blind.
And she would start crowding herbowl and start eating.
jme (15:04):
That's funny.
Pate (15:05):
Yeah.
But yeah, it's a total huskything.
We had to do it to Rob But nowRob has become such a food lover
because of all the trainingthat's been going on with her.
Yeah.
Cause she wants what everyoneelse wants.
Yeah.
jme (15:16):
And yeah, she's, she's quite a character.
Pate (15:19):
That's a husky thing.
Yeah.
She's like, they're gettingtreats.
I need those.
jme (15:23):
So what are some of the benefits of feeding raw food?
Pate (15:26):
So, one of the best benefits because, being a
rescue, we see a lot of.
medical issues or whatever.
And we see a lot of underweightdogs,
jme (15:37):
malnutrition.
Pate (15:38):
Yeah.
Malnutrition.
That causes a crappy coat, thedandruff.
Some of the dogs that we get,I'm sorry, like we have
wonderful dogs, but then we alsohave some of those backyard
breeder dogs with.
Really, really sensitivestomach, skin allergies, things
like that.
And the raw diet we found has alot of great benefits when it
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comes to their coat and theirskin.
Once you get them acclimated tothe raw diet, it's really great
for their GI system as well.
jme (16:11):
Because of those bioactive compounds, and they get.
More out of their food than ifit was processed or cooked and
the Darwin site states, you knowless Waste in the process of
elimination elimination.
So, less poop which is true Ofany food that is actually a high
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quality because it may be moreexpensive, but you'll feed less
of it because it's not full offillers,
Pate (16:40):
right?
jme (16:41):
And so their poops will be smaller because they're actually
using more of the food.
Pate (16:45):
Well, it's less carbohydrates, less starch,
less.
jme (16:47):
Yeah.
The carbohydrates, can be whatcontribute to flatulence,
Pate (16:52):
especially in cats, you know, like dogs are omnivorous,
right?
So they're used to having fruitsand veggies and things like
that.
I still am on the fence aboutthese vegetarian diets.
I'm still researching that, soI'm not promoting them or not
promoting them.
I just.
Don't know enough about them andhow they are, but you know the
the dogs that we have we'revegetarians So we don't eat Meat
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and I'm not gonna be likemilitant on you or whatever, but
you know, we have animals andour animals Do eat meat.
And then the dogs areomnivorous.
So they also eat fruits andveggies.
And so their stomach isdifferent than a cat, where a
cat is typically morecarnivorous.
jme (17:35):
Yeah, so their digestive system is actually set up
differently.
And there's a shorter input tooutput length and they are not
really set up to digest thecarbohydrates.
So, the raw food can actuallyhelp with allergies and, some
other things.
So I will say the coat thing isa big thing.
That is a very visual.
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Immediate kind of thing that youcan see a result of the raw
food.
Meatball used to have supergreasy fur, and the people at
the store said, you know, Oh,try raw, which at the time I
hadn't really thought of.
It ended up being too hard forme to maintain it, in the long
term.
But.
It did really work well, andthen I did end up finding a
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kibble that worked pretty wellfor him, and he wasn't greasy
after that.
It seemed like a phase in hislife.
It was really weird, but I mean,we gave him a greasy teenager
phase.
Yeah, we gave him a bath likeevery,
Pate (18:31):
except he wasn't a teenager.
jme (18:32):
Well, he was literally in, in real years, but not in dog
years.
But yeah, I don't know.
So I will say that the coat isone of the things that you see
change in front of your eyesafter about.
Two weeks or so being on areally good diet, their coat
just changes and it becomesLustrous and soft and you know
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before it was like just dull andflaky So that is a visual very
visual thing that you can see
Pate (19:03):
yeah And there's I mean and there's different because
jme was saying how it was hardto keep up on that raw diet And
you know the raw diet What wehave is You know you thaw the
packet So that's easy peasy,right?
Some people actually make theirown raw food.
Okay.
I'm not a cooker.
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I don't like to waste my time.
I mean, sorry.
I do consider it a waste of timeto, to eat and make meals and
yeah, I want everything.
jme (19:33):
I think part of the reason for us was, it was honestly just
too gross for us.
Pate (19:37):
Like, ah, yeah,
jme (19:37):
it's really just too gross.
Even the freeze dried patties.
The feeling of breaking themapart and everything like I
prefer them But I do not likethe feeling of them and I just I
don't know I the meat partthough just grossed me out a lot
and it grossed Bryan out and Ithink honestly, that's really
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why we couldn't do it.
But, you know, most people doeat meat.
So you were talking aboutthawing it.
Why don't you discuss some ofthe safety involved in this?
And this is typically, yeah,this is typically why, people
frown upon.
Feeding a raw diet, but becauseit's about the safety handling,
but if you're eating meat, youalready should be doing these
things.
Pate (20:17):
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, and that's the thing islike, they say that some raw
diets that they've tested.
jme (20:24):
The FDA this is.
Pate (20:25):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Yeah.
The FDA.
jme (20:27):
Which, how much can we trust them anymore?
Pate (20:29):
Well, not just that.
I'm just, I'm sitting heregoing, so I was looking at the
statistics with the FDA, right?
And the FDA was saying that, youknow, they found like Salmonella
E.
coli Listeria in the raw foodfrom, they didn't give any names
or anything, but they testedsome raw food for animals.
But then they didn't say howmany other companies had recalls
(20:53):
for Salmonella, Listeria, E.
coli, and there's safety recallsall the damn time on kibble, on,
um,
jme (21:00):
on people food.
Pate (21:02):
People wasn't even going to go with people.
I was, I was just comparing likedogs, or cats, you know, like,
I'm just comparing pet food,right?
jme (21:09):
For example, when I moved here, I was like, I would never
eat at Jack in the Box becausegrowing up on the East Coast,
there was a big, like, E.
coli thing with Jack in the 90s.
And so we never had it there.
So the only thing we knew aboutJack in the Box was a bunch of
people got really sick and abunch of people died.
And it was a big deal.
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And so when I first moved here,I was like, I am never going
there.
But no one here thought that waybecause it's like, if that
happened to McDonald's, likethere's so many McDonald's
everywhere, you just forgetabout it, but I will never
forget about it.
I've eaten fries there once, butthat's it.
And yeah, so it's the kind ofthing where, you know, People
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get sick.
And people seem to have far morerecalls than animals do.
Pate (21:56):
Remember the romaine lettuce?
Like, I still won't eat romainelettuce.
Because, I mean, wasn't that,that was like the longest time
that we couldn't eat romainelettuce.
jme (22:05):
I know, and I still
Pate (22:06):
Was it E.
coli?
jme (22:07):
Uh, no, I think it was listeria.
Pate (22:09):
Yeah, whatever.
jme (22:10):
Or salmonella.
I can't remember.
Pate (22:11):
No, it can't be salmonella.
No, I think it was E.
coli.
jme (22:14):
I think you're right.
Yeah, or, I don't know.
Well, and we, I think we talkedabout this in an episode before,
is that that comes from therunoff of the dairy farms that
are near the produce, so Yeah,so So, you know, it's, it's
Scary because you're trying toeat lettuce and trying to eat
vegetarian and then you knowthat happens But I would say
(22:35):
there's far more contaminationwith me.
Pate (22:38):
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean that's the thingIt's like you have to worry
about the salmonella E.
Coli like Syria all the timewith With raw meat.
Your human food.
Yeah, yeah, because like ifyou're gonna have, because I
remember when, one of my dogs,when she was really sick with
her cancer, I would do anythingfor her.
Which is, you know, cook, like,meat for her, which, for me, is,
(23:02):
is kind of a thing, right?
So, I mean, and I used to eatmeat, too, and I would get
grossed out by it, but going tothe grocery store.
And, and I hadn't bought meat inso long and I went to the beef
section and I'm like, holy hell.
I'm like, what the hell do Iget?
(23:22):
And I was walking up and down.
I was like, Oh my God, there'sfilets.
There's I'm like, do I get afilet mignon?
I mean, I'm like, what's thisroundhouse thing?
And then, you know, I'm justlike, and it's just like, you
know, slabs of meat or whatever.
Then there was beef cheek andI'm like, what?
Because I could picture it.
Right.
And then there's like beeftongue.
And I'm like, Ooh, I guess Icould totally picture it.
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And and I kept walking back andforth and there's like a lady
with her two kids and she'slike, Oh, I see you're having a
hard time.
She didn't even know it was formy dog.
And then she's like, Oh, youshould try the beef cheek.
It's so good.
And I'm like,
jme (23:57):
That's really funny.
Pate (23:59):
But you know what?
I did end up getting it for her.
And I actually just startedgrabbing meat.
And I was like, Oh, this one'salready, this one's already
chopped up.
I'm going to try this.
And then, you know, and I didend up cooking it for her.
But I have to tell you that Ihad that beef cheek because the
other ones I could kind of likestep away from the meat part of
(24:21):
it, you know, like the animalpart of it.
Right.
Because it didn't look like it,it just looked like chunks.
Right.
And I'm like, okay, fine.
I don't know where this is onthe cow.
Right.
But then it took me like a weekto even get the beef cheek out.
Because I kept looking at it andgoing,
jme (24:38):
Yeah, just, just talking about it makes me want to vomit.
Pate (24:42):
And then when I was like cooking it, it was so greasy.
I'm like, Yeah.
And then she ended up not likingit.
jme (24:49):
Oh, no.
The only meat that I give dogsnow is if it's cooked.
So like, I'll go get arotisserie chicken leg or
something like that.
Or, Deli meat, little buttonsnow.
He only eats deli meat prettymuch.
Pate (25:04):
Yeah.
But see, that's processed so itdoesn't look like it, right?
jme (25:07):
No, I know, but yeah, I'll touch it because it's a little
more familiar to me.
But I never really did cookmeat.
Even before I was a vegetarian,I wasn't a big meat cooker.
I did cook fish, but,
Pate (25:20):
so, yeah, so basically You get the food out of the freezer.
You have to make sure that,like, whatever surface you use,
you gotta wash your hands, yougotta wash the surface, You
gotta make sure that yourutensils and then The bowl that
you, Use for the meat is, not
jme (25:39):
porous.
Pate (25:39):
Yeah.
So, I mean, we use steel.
jme (25:41):
Yes.
Let's break it down a littlefurther.
So, first of all, it has to befrozen at, 40 degrees Fahrenheit
or less.
to be ideal.
Right.
And then you take it out of thefreezer and you put it in the
fridge.
You want to be defrosting it inthe fridge.
Pate (25:57):
Right.
jme (25:58):
Do not leave it on the counter.
So it probably is going to takea whole day.
Pate (26:01):
Yeah.
jme (26:02):
Or maybe even a day and a half to
Pate (26:04):
depending on your settings
jme (26:05):
to thaw in the fridge.
And then once it's thawed, youneed to use it.
Darwin says between two and fourdays.
So we pick the magic numberthree.
We use it within three days.
Pate (26:15):
Yeah.
jme (26:16):
And we write yeah.
in sharpie on the container.
And they do give you a servingtub or defrosting tub so that
you can, keep it in your fridgeand the juices aren't going to
leak or anything like that.
So they give you a container touse.
But it's important not to put itlike in the top of your fridge.
(26:36):
You want to put it on the bottomshelf so that It's, if it drips
or if it spills, it's not goingto spill all over your fruit and
produce.
Pate (26:44):
Yeah, and hopefully it won't spill because it is, I
mean, I hate plastic, but it'sin plastic,
jme (26:50):
plastic wrap.
Pate (26:51):
Yeah, yeah, so, um.
jme (26:54):
But still it, yeah, it sweats and it's, yep.
And yeah, the blood part is thepart that Brian hates the most.
Pate (26:59):
Oh, really?
jme (26:59):
Yeah.
Pate (26:59):
Mm-hmm
jme (27:00):
But, but yeah, so, so then you know, you really,
Pate (27:03):
dogs don't care.
jme (27:04):
No.
You really should have aseparate set of tools for this.
So a separate cutting board, aseparate, bowl that you only use
for that and knife that you onlyuse for raw meat.
And you really have to make surethat you're washing them
thoroughly, washing the surfacethoroughly, and then washing
your hands with, hot and soapywater.
Pate (27:21):
Right.
And then also, we do bleachbaths, you know,
jme (27:24):
for the dishes,
Pate (27:25):
for the dishes because we have a lot of dogs, right?
The only dishes that we use arestainless steel, like I said,
plastic and the ceramic orporcelain.
They're porous.
So, I mean, can you really getthem 100 percent clean?
If something decides to stick,
jme (27:41):
which I didn't know that about ceramic because you think
about a toilet and you thinkabout it not being porous,
right?
Like, so
Pate (27:48):
it's got different coating as opposed to like what you eat,
right?
jme (27:51):
Like you're not an edible.
You're not going to eat out ofthe toilet, so.
Pate (27:54):
No, that's so gross.
Oh my gosh, did you see?
There's a meme and they wereeating out of the toilet.
It was a clean toilet and it waslike for a display, a specific
display.
And when they flushed, it waslike chocolate.
Oh.
And I'm like, no, thank you.
jme (28:14):
That's, no, that's a tough one.
I can't deal with that.
No, that's, yeah.
Pate (28:19):
But I'm sitting here going, why would you want to eat
out of the toilet anyway, right?
But, um, but yeah, I've actuallynever thought of that.
jme (28:28):
You know what was funny is that, I used to, if I was in a
hurry to go to the daycare inthe morning, I would bring my
pills in my pocket, mymedication, and as I took them
out of my pocket, one of mypills, Went on to the floor in
the dog room in the little dogroom behind the desk And rolled
and I picked it up and and ateit I know and like
Pate (28:49):
Giardia
jme (28:50):
and Carrie saw me and she goes did you just eat that and I
was like yeah, and I'm like Iknow these floors are clean
because I cleaned them lastnight and I'm like, that should
be a commercial.
Like it's so clean that we'lleat off of it.
But yeah, and then I was like,okay, I probably won't ever do
that again.
(29:10):
But I wouldn't do that at home.
Because at home,
Pate (29:13):
you don't clean every night the way we do.
jme (29:16):
Yeah, with disinfectants.
So, I actually wasn't worried atall.
Yeah, but yeah, she laughed atme and thought it was weird,
right?
Well, it is a little weird.
And now I've admitted somethingembarrassing.
Pate (29:27):
You know what?
I'm sorry.
Five second rule, man.
five second rule.
Oh, we're outside.
jme (29:33):
Remember when we got crumble cookie and I handed you
the box and it collapsed in thefront seat of the car and they
are so,
Pate (29:39):
oh, and then we were picking through it going, okay,
which one is this?
jme (29:42):
Well, and like some of them landed upside down on the really
dirty floor mat and there was nofucking way that we were going
to eat that.
No, but yeah, we were like,okay, this one looks okay.
Pate (29:54):
This one landed on my leg.
I'm good.
jme (29:56):
Such a travesty.
We were so disappointed.
Pate (30:01):
I, yeah, it was, it was like that slow mo and then like
that pan out to both of ourfaces like not moving with our
hands going, Oh,
jme (30:10):
but do you know what?
They changed the boxes because Iguarantee you enough people
complain that their boxes justcollapse.
Pate (30:17):
Yes.
So flimsy.
jme (30:18):
So they changed the boxes.
Yeah.
And, I was like, Oh, you changedthe box.
That's great.
Pate (30:23):
Yeah.
Because now what they need to dois change their egg policy.
And stop doing, like, batterycage egg people.
jme (30:32):
Oh.
Yeah.
Pate (30:33):
Hey, Crumble Cookie, if you're listening, Free range,
man.
Free range.
No, free roam.
Not free range.
Because I think now, like, youcan say free range, but it just
means that they're not in abattery cage, but they're still
in a barn.
And I think free roam is They'reout in the pastures.
jme (30:49):
Yeah, they're like
Pate (30:51):
getting avian flu.
jme (30:52):
Wing to wing inside a barn and they still can't move around
very well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, you want to, if you're goingto get eggs, then you want to
make sure that, you know, takecare of those chickens.
Yeah.
Anyway.
So, um, salmonella.
Yeah.
We're almost out of time.
Yeah.
Um, is there anything else thatyou want to talk about?
Pate (31:15):
How do you know we're out of time?
jme (31:16):
Uh, cause we're at, Our time.
Pate (31:19):
Oh, because I can't see.
jme (31:21):
Well, there's a timer right there.
Pate (31:22):
Okay.
I still can't see
jme (31:23):
Pate doesn't do any of the What is
Pate (31:27):
I just talk
jme (31:27):
post production.
Yeah, she's not.
Yeah, she just thought
Pate (31:30):
I'm like, I don't have time Not that jme has time but
like yeah,
jme (31:34):
yeah, but at least this is something I like doing I like
doing the editing and I likedoing
Pate (31:39):
I would get bored It I got bored.
I got bored the other day justTrying to go through like
looking at current fosters andnot current fosters with the the
software, you know Oh, and thenI told so that I was like, okay,
I'm bored now.
I got to do
jme (31:55):
Yeah, it does take a long time like for each episode it
probably takes me yeah two hours
Pate (32:04):
But but that's the problem with ADHD, you know, you either
get hyper fixated Or, you're,I'm like, I can't do this.
I gotta go.
You know?
jme (32:17):
Yeah, I, I just have trouble doing things that I
really don't want to do.
Pate (32:22):
I'll come back to it.
That was the thing.
That's what I said, too.
And I was like, I'll come backto it.
Goddamn, but not today.
But um, but yeah, like no, soraw food.
We feed ours.
Uh, Raw Food by Darwin's,there's a bunch of other, um,
companies, um, do your research,you know, um.
jme (32:41):
Oh, one thing I do want to say is that, um, in watching a
webinar about bird flu, theysaid that the freeze dried
frozen, freeze dried, yeah,freeze dried raw doesn't kill.
The flu virus.
Pate (32:57):
No, no, freeze dried wouldn't.
No, you got to cook it.
You have to get hightemperatures to kill.
jme (33:02):
Yeah, well, like the Stella and Chewy's that we do or
whatever.
Yeah, that's those are things sothat we still
Pate (33:08):
that's considered raw.
jme (33:09):
We would have to cook it.
Yeah, or not, you know, just soyou know, freezing doesn't
doesn't kill the virus.
Pate (33:16):
Yeah.
And then there's a questionabout and this is especially
important with cats because thedogs They're showing like upper
respiratory symptoms, like akennel cough kind of symptom,
but not fatalities, right?
The cats are the ones who areexperiencing fatalities and
there was a question.
And I don't know if this is trueor not.
(33:38):
So, is this kind of hearsay?
I don't know.
But it could be fake news,because I haven't researched it
definitively.
But the big cat sanctuary inShelton, the thought was like,
hey, because they're outdoor orwhatever.
The wild birds, they got thewild birds, or the wild birds
contaminated their enclosures,but then another one was like,
(34:00):
was their food contaminated?
jme (34:01):
Mm hmm.
Well, and, so, we'll go intothis in a little bit more detail
in the next episode, The BirdFlu 2.
Pate (34:09):
Yeah, Bird Flu 2.
jme (34:10):
But there, it is in rodents, it is in rabbits,
skunks, raccoons, seals, wolves.
Besides birds.
So they've there.
It's almost in every kind of
Pate (34:26):
right, right, but it's
jme (34:27):
cattle.
Pate (34:28):
Yeah Yeah, and it's in varying degrees, right?
We know that it will kill birds.
We know also it will kill Cats
jme (34:36):
it kills most of the cats.
Pate (34:37):
Yeah.
Yeah But a seal in Chicago diedfrom it.
Mm hmm, you know, so I mean andwho knows maybe there's
something else going on withthat seal, right, and that's one
of the things and like I said,we're not fear mongers or
anything like that But I'malways cautionary until I know
more and that is the reason whywith our chicken we have been
(34:58):
cooking our raw chicken And it'sstill less processed than kibble
so,
jme (35:08):
it is a bit of a conundrum that we're we're doing that but
The reason we get it is becauseit's better food, not, not just
because it's raw.
Pate (35:18):
Right.
And I know that the pet storesthey are still selling raw food
and they would know when therecalls are coming out.
They have faith in theirsuppliers.
Of raw foods like, you know,Darwin's or like Small Batch is
another brand, NorthwestNaturals.
jme (35:35):
I think, too, that, you know, when you're working for a
better pet food company, like,you're You're not selling to the
masses.
And so I often think that thethe processes and the Sourcing
are more thoughtful morethoughtful more deliberate and
(35:57):
yes They're still there to makea profit, but they're gonna take
fewer chances than Alpo but ingeneral These companies are in
it for the animals, humane care,and
Pate (36:11):
Right, the raw food people as opposed to like some mass
producing kibble people.
What was that, show that youwatched?
jme (36:18):
Oh, alright.
Yeah, so there's a movie outthere called Pet Fooled.
And it is
Pate (36:27):
Where'd you see it?
jme (36:28):
I want to say it was Netflix, but if you just look up
where can I watch Pet Fooled, itwill tell you.
And I could not believe howdisgusting the industry is.
And the pet food industry ingeneral, they are their own
(36:48):
watchdogs.
So how much do you think theyactually pay attention or care
or monitor themselves?
So There's no third partymonitoring what's going on here
and, one of the scenes, and youwill have to watch it to believe
it, but they had this pile ofhorses and cows, like carcasses,
(37:12):
and, and they were like, well,how else would we deal with them
if we weren't going to put it inpet food?
Like they were saying therewould be an extreme backup of
carcasses in the landfills ifthey weren't instead feeding it
to the dogs.
And so it's like, of course,you, the dog is the way we
(37:35):
dispose of our crap.
And I,
Pate (37:38):
trash cans,
jme (37:38):
I was just like,
Pate (37:39):
garbage disposals.
jme (37:41):
That was their argument, literally, where else are we
going to put it?
And I was like, wow.
So when you see that those arethe people making decisions
about pet food, you really haveto start to think about it.
And this too is why a lot ofpeople cook.
Their own pet food, yeah.
Yeah, and uh, oh I wanted totell you I saw just food for
(38:02):
dogs in the grocery store InAlbertson's really yeah instead
of fresh pet they have just foodfor dogs
Pate (38:09):
Interesting and that was a food that we used for one of my
special needs.
jme (38:14):
Yeah
Pate (38:14):
I I do it quite often with my special needs that won't eat
jme (38:18):
it was cooked though.
It's good.
Pate (38:20):
Yeah, it's cooked food
jme (38:21):
It's kind of like the farmer's dog or something
Pate (38:22):
Maybe I'm not like Yeah, the the total like raw food
person because there are peoplethat feed raw food to puppies
and I don't do that.
We don't do that.
It's kind of like my wholethought is like, it's kind of
like honey, right?
You don't give babies under ayear, honey.
You don't give puppies,actually, you don't want to give
(38:42):
honey to dogs under a year old,because of botulism, right?
I think it's botulism.
Is it botulism?
jme (38:49):
I don't know, which is weird because, because honey is
actually an antibiotic,
Pate (38:54):
depending on it, because you gotta figure that,
jme (38:57):
well, but, it lasts for, Millions of years thousands of
years,
Pate (39:01):
but but you're talking about manuka and manuka is
totally different than like yourfreaking like Clover stuff in
the u.
s.
I mean manuka is like freakingexpensive as hell.
But yes, she's correct.
Manuka is supposed to be anantibacterial, it, um, it
promotes healing, it's like, butyou gotta look and, and you
gotta look and see like how muchof the concentration of the
(39:24):
whatever it is.
I did research this because,with my surgical complications,
I actually have Manuka, and Iwas taking it every day to help.
jme (39:32):
In a pill?
Pate (39:34):
No, honey.
Oh, yeah.
jme (39:35):
Oh, okay.
Just like honey, putting honeyon stuff.
Pate (39:38):
Yes.
And then not normal honey.
Cause like, you know, the honeythat we get here in the U S it
doesn't have the properties thatManuka does.
jme (39:46):
I see.
Pate (39:47):
So Manuka is very special, very expensive from New Zealand
only.
But yeah, she's correct.
But you know what?
I didn't look at Manuka for kidsunder one.
I was just looking at thebenefits of it just because of
my lack of healing abilities.
So that's that they like toutedManuka as something to do
(40:09):
besides increasing my intake ofprotein.
So you can make your own rawfood.
You can purchase raw food that'salready pre made, save you some
time.
jme (40:19):
Cause they put.
Like, veggies and nutrients init.
Pate (40:23):
Well, yeah, they make it well balanced, right?
Whereas, like, if you make yourown, you better do some
research.
jme (40:29):
Right, like, you can't just give them a piece of chicken and
think that that's enough.
You would have to putsupplements in.
Exactly.
Taurine is important for heartdevelopment.
Pate (40:39):
And then that's the thing, is like, Jane was talking about
Just Food for Dogs, which,ironically, um, uh, they do make
their pre made.
Which I use a lot because itbasically looks like food
because it is.
And they have recipes on theirwebpage, but they have, a
supplement that you can add toyour food to help make it, if
(41:00):
you're making your own food,it's like a vitamin supplement
to make it more well balanced.
jme (41:06):
Interesting.
Pate (41:08):
Yeah, that's correct.
jme (41:09):
All right.
Well, we have run out of timefor today.
I'm Jamie.
Pate (41:13):
I'm Pate.
This is our podcast, RescueShit.
jme (41:18):
Rock on.
Pate (41:19):
Rescue on.
jme (41:20):
Yay.
Pate (41:22):
Yeah, and don't forget to email us if you have any
questions or want to talk abouta certain topic or listen to us
babble about a certain topic.
jme (41:29):
RescueShit@motleyzoo.org.
Hi, I'm jme.
Now you forgot what you'resupposed to say?
Pate (00:06):
No, I forget.
I just, I don't know why Istarted laughing.
Um, I just
jme (00:10):
You don't know why you started laughing.
Pate (00:12):
I just, I don't know.
Um, okay.
This.
jme (00:17):
Hi, I'm jme.
Pate (00:18):
This is Pate
jme (00:19):
and this is our, no.
We are Motley Zoo.
Pate (00:24):
Animal Rescue.
jme (00:25):
Oh, uh huh.
Alright, I think we need tostart over.
Pate (00:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
jme (00:30):
Alright, hi, I'm Jamie.
Pate (00:31):
And I'm Patty.
jme (00:32):
We're Motley's Zoo Animal Rescue.
Pate (00:35):
I was gonna say Rock on Rescue All.
And this is our podcast, RescueShit.
No squeaking.
And we still don't have asqueaky toy.
Rob,
jme (00:44):
how could we forget that?
Pate (00:45):
Rob, can you say something?
jme (00:47):
Yes, would you like to meet our guest of honor today?
She's being disobedient.
Pate (00:51):
Rob?
Come hither.
Come here.
jme (00:56):
Oh, and you'll see we've hung our sign.
Pate (01:00):
There's our hand.
Oh, yeah, there we go.
jme (01:03):
And, uh, yeah, apparently Rob is not wanting to be on the
show.
Pate (01:07):
No.
She's, uh, she's a daddy's girl.
Mm hmm.
And daddy is.
Cheating on her right now with,uh, another dog that she can
see.
jme (01:17):
Uhhuh.
Yeah.
She's training.
She doesn't like that.
So today we're gonna talk aboutraw food.
Mm.
This is something that can bevery controversial.
Mm-hmm For a lot of people.
And we just wanna talk about ourexperiences with it and talk
about our sponsor of many of ourrescue dogs.
Pate (01:39):
It's, Darwin's Natural Pet Products has been donating, or
rather sponsoring, food, theirraw food, for our rescue dogs.
We've been With them for likewhat?
Approximately four years now.
jme (01:56):
Yeah.
Pate (01:57):
And they started donating to us back when we were at the
Redmond daycare.
And then there was obviouslythat transitional period that we
had when we moved over here andthey started up again, donating
the raw food for our foster dogshere at our Monroe property.
jme (02:16):
Do they come straight here?
Pate (02:17):
Yes, that's a good thing about Darwin's is that it's free
home delivery.
So that makes it very convenient
jme (02:25):
Well, I remember at the beginning that they weren't sure
that they were gonna be able tomake it up here So it's even
even more impressive.
Yeah that they've been sogenerous to us and they deliver
it right to us.
So this is really a spectacularservice and something we want to
say thank you to Darwin's for.
And I was saying that theircatchphrase should be the
(02:46):
evolution of raw.
Pate (02:47):
Darwin's evolution.
I get it.
So clever.
jme (02:57):
We get the food for both cats and dogs, but primarily,
you know, we have a lot more,well, the dogs eat more, I
guess, than the cats can.
So, usually we focus on dog andwe often get beef or turkey or
chicken.
There's a couple different,varieties, but they also have
some lamb and duck, and theycome in a kind of like a patty,
(03:17):
it's almost like the shape, andthicker than a hamburger, but
it's about, yeah, and there'slike four patties in that
package, and they're freeze, uh,no, like.
Pate (03:29):
The wrap
jme (03:30):
shrink wrap is the word I wanted to say.
And so, you know, it's reallyeasy to, take them out and, and
thaw them and, and use them.
Pate (03:39):
Yeah.
jme (03:40):
So, we know the food is really high quality but, there's
a bunch of things you have tothink about before you can,
start giving raw food.
And one of those is how youhandle it.
Especially right now, this isgonna make our content not so
evergreen, but right now we areexperiencing an outbreak of bird
flu, in the United States andthere's actually a sizable
(04:02):
number of cases near us.
We are gonna do another episodeto update, on the status of
that, but it's important rightnow.
Especially for the chicken thatwe not be feeding raw chicken to
cats, especially.
So what are we doing right nowto combat any, kind of problems
with that?
Pate (04:20):
Well, it kind of, defeats the purpose of being raw, but
does not defeat the purpose ofbeing high quality, right?
And we are right now for thechicken, especially we are,
cooking it, there have been somecases of contamination, not with
Darwin's.
There has been contamination of,milk, you know, so don't do raw
(04:43):
milk.
I don't do milk in general, so Idon't have to worry about that,
and we don't want to feed milkto our animals, but it is
crossing over to, the cows aswell.
And you know, the chickens,obviously you've seen it with
our lack of eggs in the grocerystore or our extremely high
priced few eggs in the grocerystore.
We are cooking our chicken justto be safe, we like to be
(05:06):
prudent, you know,
jme (05:08):
well, and of the bird flu that they've seen in cats, the
ones that weren't oncontaminated farms were cases
where the cats Drank or ate rawproducts.
So raw milk or raw chicken.
So, knowing that that is, adirect kind of correlation.
(05:28):
And who knows, I mean, it couldhave been raw chicken right out
of their backyard or raw chickenfrom a contaminated farm down
the street.
Pate (05:34):
Or yeah, or just like a random bird that they ate that
It's another topic of why youkeep cats inside the house.
jme (05:41):
Correct.
So, we're just trying to becautious.
Darwin's has three differentkinds of products.
They have the natural selectsproducts, which is free range,
Vegetarian and organic.
Organic.
Pate (05:54):
Organic, not vegetarian,
jme (05:56):
sorry.
I mean organic Organic range forveggies.
Yeah.
Free range.
Free range and organic for theirveggie components.
Pate (06:03):
That's funny.
jme (06:04):
It's human grade ethically sourced.
The price is a little bit moreper package, so it's about$5
more than the biologics, whichis.
Called economy.
Pate (06:15):
Well, I mean economic.
Yeah, it's it's more economic,right?
Because it's not It's not freerange.
It's still ethically sourced,but it's not free range animals
and it's not organic veggies perse
jme (06:32):
which is fine.
I also wanted to mention besidesthe natural selects biologics,
which is the one we usually use.
Yeah, there's intelligent designwith Which is formulated for
health issues.
Pate (06:44):
Yeah, so those are vet formulas.
Mm hmm for you know for kidneysand liver, cancer And other
issues joints.
jme (06:53):
Yeah, so there's a couple different varieties and you know
the people at Darwin's You knowwill help you figure out which
Recipe is right for you.
And remember there is freedelivery, right?
So this could be something thatyou You know, want to give it a
try.
Right.
And you can, we can say that,yeah, we, we do that and it's
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been primarily beneficial to,most of our animals.
We know that Darwin's is an upand up company that really tries
to support humane care and theenvironment.
Pate (07:25):
Right.
And then, and then supportadoption, centers like, rescues
and shelters like us.
So they're very like minded inthat way.
jme (07:33):
Yeah, I can say that no other company has come up to us
and said, well, they'll justgive us food.
Like other companies have saidthat we can get a discount.
But no other company has justsaid, here you go.
Pate (07:45):
Right?
I mean, and even, oh, and Iremember Hills, we were going
to, just for the sake of having,some standard, Food.
jme (07:57):
Yeah, consistency.
Pate (07:58):
Consistent, yeah, consistent food, just in case,
you know, donations were lowthat month or whatever, to have
consistent food.
I know that we had reached outto Hills because, they donate
quite a large portion of food tothe shelters, but, not to
rescues because we just don't, Idon't know, do the volume that
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they, I,
jme (08:19):
yeah, I think volume is the problem.
You have to accept like palletsat a time.
And that's not something that asmaller rescue can do.
Pate (08:26):
Right.
Yeah.
jme (08:27):
So, one of the benefits of raw food, it's the enzymes,
right?
Pate (08:32):
Well, so raw food, as opposed to, the cooked.
Or extruded diets, they call itRMBD, so that's raw meat based
diets, are more biochemicallycomplex with bioactive.
Compounds.
So it's higher in antioxidants,like vitamin C and E, and
(08:55):
flavonoids.
So that's more beneficial toyour health.
And as we know, when you cookfood that, that's carcinogenic.
jme (09:02):
Yeah, there's chemical changes that happen when you
cook food.
And, it's probably especiallyknown When you're talking about
cooking, like meat on a grill,the charring is actually
something that they've shown canbe carcinogenic.
And the same is true for theoils that you use in your foods.
You should use high flashpointoils, because they're less
(09:24):
likely to make these chemicalchanges with heat.
Pate (09:27):
What?
Like what oil?
jme (09:28):
So, for example, avocado oil has a higher flashpoint than
olive oil.
So, if you cook it too much,olive oil can make this
transformation.
Pate (09:39):
What about coconut oil?
jme (09:40):
I'm not sure what the flashpoint is, but that's what
it's called, the flashpoint, andthat's where it can start to
mutate.
That's a little bit.
too scientific for us right now.
We don't want to get thatcomplicated.
Pate (09:52):
Yeah, no.
Well that's why, you look atyour research papers and stuff
like that.
Although, I can tell you thatyou know, cause I do a lot of
research and stuff I'm a dork,and I read a lot of medical
papers.
So when, when people argue aboutresearch I can push back on some
things.
jme (10:12):
Well, that's like, remember when we were trying to, talk to
the vets about, the Giardia andfloats, and we were saying that,
Pate (10:21):
cause Giardia sinks, so you're not going to see it in
the floats.
jme (10:24):
Correct.
And so we used the antigen test,the vets were saying that it
didn't work.
And we just kept asking for anypaper, any scientific paper that
showed that.
And no vet could give us any ofthat evidence.
Right.
And in the end, we lost theargument simply because we're
not vets, and they are.
Pate (10:44):
I read, and there was a, there was a CEU, which is
Continuing Education Credit,that vet techs and vets, you
know, have to, just like doctorsand nurses and therapists, you
have to do a certain number ofCEU, Continuing Education,
credits per year to continueyour license or whatever, and
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there was actually, a CEU ongiardia where one of the vets
gave that, course about, GRDantigen tests and just GRD in
general, because it's, it's apain as everyone knows, like
giardia is out there and you cango in your backyard and it's out
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there.
jme (11:25):
We should do.
I think we did an episode.
Pate (11:28):
Did we do an episode on GRD?
jme (11:30):
Well, we did it on parasites.
Are you sure?
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure.
I'll look.
Sometimes we forget what we did.
Pate (11:37):
I always blame my chemo brain for that.
jme (11:39):
I don't have that.
Pate (11:40):
I've got, I've got a great excuse.
jme (11:43):
I don't.
I don't.
I'm just dumb.
Yeah.
Pate (11:46):
No.
jme (11:49):
Well, we established that, I think it was in the last
episode where I'm like, whycan't I ever do the introduction
right?
But today I did it right and youdid it wrong
Pate (11:57):
and I just couldn't stop laughing.
So I don't know.
It's the sign.
Yeah.
So excited about the sign.
jme (12:02):
I know.
It is great because Especiallythe webcam on this new camera is
so much better.
So you can actually see thewords and I think even a little
bit of backlighting reallyhelps.
So well,
Pate (12:13):
and we've got a good day.
It's not too sunny.
jme (12:15):
Yes.
Overcast days are good for, forrecording.
Pate (12:18):
Yeah.
the thing is, is that we're notpromoting raw based.
If you're not comfortable givingraw food to your animals, we're
not pushing you for that.
We're just, this is ananecdotal, um, S um, story.
Yeah.
I don't know what, what, what isit?
Anecdotal data.
I don't know how you wanna sayit, but
jme (12:37):
it's just our experience.
Pate (12:38):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
jme (12:39):
And so most of the dogs do really well on it.
Pate (12:41):
Oh yeah.
I mean, and they all love it.
Yeah.
I think that you know, we wereworried when we started cooking
that some of the dogs would justturn their noses up at it.
'cause we do have some pickydogs.
Ned, and Ava.
And I don't know why they'repicky, because you got Ned,
who's uh, Mexican street dog,like, I'm sorry, you're on the
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streets, why are you so pickynow?
And then, Eva, who, again, Imean, she was on a chain, you
can't tell me that she was givengreat food, and then, after she
was off the chain, she wasroaming around for like nine
months on her own, scavenging,but now, she's like a little
pretty princess, and she's like,mm, no, thank you.
jme (13:21):
I will say, in the Daily Report, that go out to the staff
and the volunteers that areworking here on what's going on
and what was accomplished andwho ate and who was sick or
anything like that.
And Ava.
It's like a total diva
Pate (13:36):
Eva.
Yeah.
jme (13:37):
Yeah, they have to do little dances around to just
make her try and eat the flavorthings on and they do all the
things to try and get her toeat.
And she just is very picky.
Pate (13:47):
No.
Yeah, but she loves her Darwin'sthough, you know,
jme (13:51):
that's good.
Maybe it's like when she wasfirst rescued, once she got used
to being in the house, shedidn't want to go outside when
it was raining.
She's like, I remember all thosedays.
I remember scavenging and nowshe only eats caviar.
Pate (14:02):
Yeah, exactly.
Well, and then sometimes she'sjust like, I really don't want
to feel like that caviar.
So we have to get Rob whorefused to introduce herself on
the podcast today.
Like Rob, we'll have to go into.
Her area and sit there and then
jme (14:19):
create competition.
Pate (14:20):
Yeah, because I mean, and that's actually a very husky
thing to do.
jme (14:24):
Not like they're fighting for their food.
But if, if Rob is nearby, thenEva will eat.
She'll be more instinctuallymotivated to eat because she
feels like.
someone else could take herfood.
Pate (14:36):
Right.
jme (14:36):
Which is really, that's so weird for a dog that really did
live outside for most of thetime.
Pate (14:41):
But I mean, that's such a husky trait.
I see it so often in ourhuskies.
Allie, the blind husky that Ihave, she does the same thing.
I mean, ever since she was ababy, I'd have to get maxwell
was my Basenji.
And, he was very food motivated.
And, if Allie didn't want to eatand Max got close, she could
smell him because she's blind.
And she would start crowding herbowl and start eating.
jme (15:04):
That's funny.
Pate (15:05):
Yeah.
But yeah, it's a total huskything.
We had to do it to Rob But nowRob has become such a food lover
because of all the trainingthat's been going on with her.
Yeah.
Cause she wants what everyoneelse wants.
Yeah.
jme (15:16):
And yeah, she's, she's quite a character.
Pate (15:19):
That's a husky thing.
Yeah.
She's like, they're gettingtreats.
I need those.
jme (15:23):
So what are some of the benefits of feeding raw food?
Pate (15:26):
So, one of the best benefits because, being a
rescue, we see a lot of.
medical issues or whatever.
And we see a lot of underweightdogs,
jme (15:37):
malnutrition.
Pate (15:38):
Yeah.
Malnutrition.
That causes a crappy coat, thedandruff.
Some of the dogs that we get,I'm sorry, like we have
wonderful dogs, but then we alsohave some of those backyard
breeder dogs with.
Really, really sensitivestomach, skin allergies, things
like that.
And the raw diet we found has alot of great benefits when it
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comes to their coat and theirskin.
Once you get them acclimated tothe raw diet, it's really great
for their GI system as well.
jme (16:11):
Because of those bioactive compounds, and they get.
More out of their food than ifit was processed or cooked and
the Darwin site states, you knowless Waste in the process of
elimination elimination.
So, less poop which is true Ofany food that is actually a high
(16:34):
quality because it may be moreexpensive, but you'll feed less
of it because it's not full offillers,
Pate (16:40):
right?
jme (16:41):
And so their poops will be smaller because they're actually
using more of the food.
Pate (16:45):
Well, it's less carbohydrates, less starch,
less.
jme (16:47):
Yeah.
The carbohydrates, can be whatcontribute to flatulence,
Pate (16:52):
especially in cats, you know, like dogs are omnivorous,
right?
So they're used to having fruitsand veggies and things like
that.
I still am on the fence aboutthese vegetarian diets.
I'm still researching that, soI'm not promoting them or not
promoting them.
I just.
Don't know enough about them andhow they are, but you know the
the dogs that we have we'revegetarians So we don't eat Meat
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and I'm not gonna be likemilitant on you or whatever, but
you know, we have animals andour animals Do eat meat.
And then the dogs areomnivorous.
So they also eat fruits andveggies.
And so their stomach isdifferent than a cat, where a
cat is typically morecarnivorous.
jme (17:35):
Yeah, so their digestive system is actually set up
differently.
And there's a shorter input tooutput length and they are not
really set up to digest thecarbohydrates.
So, the raw food can actuallyhelp with allergies and, some
other things.
So I will say the coat thing isa big thing.
That is a very visual.
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Immediate kind of thing that youcan see a result of the raw
food.
Meatball used to have supergreasy fur, and the people at
the store said, you know, Oh,try raw, which at the time I
hadn't really thought of.
It ended up being too hard forme to maintain it, in the long
term.
But.
It did really work well, andthen I did end up finding a
(18:19):
kibble that worked pretty wellfor him, and he wasn't greasy
after that.
It seemed like a phase in hislife.
It was really weird, but I mean,we gave him a greasy teenager
phase.
Yeah, we gave him a bath likeevery,
Pate (18:31):
except he wasn't a teenager.
jme (18:32):
Well, he was literally in, in real years, but not in dog
years.
But yeah, I don't know.
So I will say that the coat isone of the things that you see
change in front of your eyesafter about.
Two weeks or so being on areally good diet, their coat
just changes and it becomesLustrous and soft and you know
(18:56):
before it was like just dull andflaky So that is a visual very
visual thing that you can see
Pate (19:03):
yeah And there's I mean and there's different because
jme was saying how it was hardto keep up on that raw diet And
you know the raw diet What wehave is You know you thaw the
packet So that's easy peasy,right?
Some people actually make theirown raw food.
Okay.
I'm not a cooker.
(19:24):
I don't like to waste my time.
I mean, sorry.
I do consider it a waste of timeto, to eat and make meals and
yeah, I want everything.
jme (19:33):
I think part of the reason for us was, it was honestly just
too gross for us.
Pate (19:37):
Like, ah, yeah,
jme (19:37):
it's really just too gross.
Even the freeze dried patties.
The feeling of breaking themapart and everything like I
prefer them But I do not likethe feeling of them and I just I
don't know I the meat partthough just grossed me out a lot
and it grossed Bryan out and Ithink honestly, that's really
(19:58):
why we couldn't do it.
But, you know, most people doeat meat.
So you were talking aboutthawing it.
Why don't you discuss some ofthe safety involved in this?
And this is typically, yeah,this is typically why, people
frown upon.
Feeding a raw diet, but becauseit's about the safety handling,
but if you're eating meat, youalready should be doing these
things.
Pate (20:17):
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, and that's the thing islike, they say that some raw
diets that they've tested.
jme (20:24):
The FDA this is.
Pate (20:25):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Yeah.
The FDA.
jme (20:27):
Which, how much can we trust them anymore?
Pate (20:29):
Well, not just that.
I'm just, I'm sitting heregoing, so I was looking at the
statistics with the FDA, right?
And the FDA was saying that, youknow, they found like Salmonella
E.
coli Listeria in the raw foodfrom, they didn't give any names
or anything, but they testedsome raw food for animals.
But then they didn't say howmany other companies had recalls
(20:53):
for Salmonella, Listeria, E.
coli, and there's safety recallsall the damn time on kibble, on,
um,
jme (21:00):
on people food.
Pate (21:02):
People wasn't even going to go with people.
I was, I was just comparing likedogs, or cats, you know, like,
I'm just comparing pet food,right?
jme (21:09):
For example, when I moved here, I was like, I would never
eat at Jack in the Box becausegrowing up on the East Coast,
there was a big, like, E.
coli thing with Jack in the 90s.
And so we never had it there.
So the only thing we knew aboutJack in the Box was a bunch of
people got really sick and abunch of people died.
And it was a big deal.
(21:30):
And so when I first moved here,I was like, I am never going
there.
But no one here thought that waybecause it's like, if that
happened to McDonald's, likethere's so many McDonald's
everywhere, you just forgetabout it, but I will never
forget about it.
I've eaten fries there once, butthat's it.
And yeah, so it's the kind ofthing where, you know, People
(21:51):
get sick.
And people seem to have far morerecalls than animals do.
Pate (21:56):
Remember the romaine lettuce?
Like, I still won't eat romainelettuce.
Because, I mean, wasn't that,that was like the longest time
that we couldn't eat romainelettuce.
jme (22:05):
I know, and I still
Pate (22:06):
Was it E.
coli?
jme (22:07):
Uh, no, I think it was listeria.
Pate (22:09):
Yeah, whatever.
jme (22:10):
Or salmonella.
I can't remember.
Pate (22:11):
No, it can't be salmonella.
No, I think it was E.
coli.
jme (22:14):
I think you're right.
Yeah, or, I don't know.
Well, and we, I think we talkedabout this in an episode before,
is that that comes from therunoff of the dairy farms that
are near the produce, so Yeah,so So, you know, it's, it's
Scary because you're trying toeat lettuce and trying to eat
vegetarian and then you knowthat happens But I would say
(22:35):
there's far more contaminationwith me.
Pate (22:38):
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean that's the thingIt's like you have to worry
about the salmonella E.
Coli like Syria all the timewith With raw meat.
Your human food.
Yeah, yeah, because like ifyou're gonna have, because I
remember when, one of my dogs,when she was really sick with
her cancer, I would do anythingfor her.
Which is, you know, cook, like,meat for her, which, for me, is,
(23:02):
is kind of a thing, right?
So, I mean, and I used to eatmeat, too, and I would get
grossed out by it, but going tothe grocery store.
And, and I hadn't bought meat inso long and I went to the beef
section and I'm like, holy hell.
I'm like, what the hell do Iget?
(23:22):
And I was walking up and down.
I was like, Oh my God, there'sfilets.
There's I'm like, do I get afilet mignon?
I mean, I'm like, what's thisroundhouse thing?
And then, you know, I'm justlike, and it's just like, you
know, slabs of meat or whatever.
Then there was beef cheek andI'm like, what?
Because I could picture it.
Right.
And then there's like beeftongue.
And I'm like, Ooh, I guess Icould totally picture it.
(23:43):
And and I kept walking back andforth and there's like a lady
with her two kids and she'slike, Oh, I see you're having a
hard time.
She didn't even know it was formy dog.
And then she's like, Oh, youshould try the beef cheek.
It's so good.
And I'm like,
jme (23:57):
That's really funny.
Pate (23:59):
But you know what?
I did end up getting it for her.
And I actually just startedgrabbing meat.
And I was like, Oh, this one'salready, this one's already
chopped up.
I'm going to try this.
And then, you know, and I didend up cooking it for her.
But I have to tell you that Ihad that beef cheek because the
other ones I could kind of likestep away from the meat part of
(24:21):
it, you know, like the animalpart of it.
Right.
Because it didn't look like it,it just looked like chunks.
Right.
And I'm like, okay, fine.
I don't know where this is onthe cow.
Right.
But then it took me like a weekto even get the beef cheek out.
Because I kept looking at it andgoing,
jme (24:38):
Yeah, just, just talking about it makes me want to vomit.
Pate (24:42):
And then when I was like cooking it, it was so greasy.
I'm like, Yeah.
And then she ended up not likingit.
jme (24:49):
Oh, no.
The only meat that I give dogsnow is if it's cooked.
So like, I'll go get arotisserie chicken leg or
something like that.
Or, Deli meat, little buttonsnow.
He only eats deli meat prettymuch.
Pate (25:04):
Yeah.
But see, that's processed so itdoesn't look like it, right?
jme (25:07):
No, I know, but yeah, I'll touch it because it's a little
more familiar to me.
But I never really did cookmeat.
Even before I was a vegetarian,I wasn't a big meat cooker.
I did cook fish, but,
Pate (25:20):
so, yeah, so basically You get the food out of the freezer.
You have to make sure that,like, whatever surface you use,
you gotta wash your hands, yougotta wash the surface, You
gotta make sure that yourutensils and then The bowl that
you, Use for the meat is, not
jme (25:39):
porous.
Pate (25:39):
Yeah.
So, I mean, we use steel.
jme (25:41):
Yes.
Let's break it down a littlefurther.
So, first of all, it has to befrozen at, 40 degrees Fahrenheit
or less.
to be ideal.
Right.
And then you take it out of thefreezer and you put it in the
fridge.
You want to be defrosting it inthe fridge.
Pate (25:57):
Right.
jme (25:58):
Do not leave it on the counter.
So it probably is going to takea whole day.
Pate (26:01):
Yeah.
jme (26:02):
Or maybe even a day and a half to
Pate (26:04):
depending on your settings
jme (26:05):
to thaw in the fridge.
And then once it's thawed, youneed to use it.
Darwin says between two and fourdays.
So we pick the magic numberthree.
We use it within three days.
Pate (26:15):
Yeah.
jme (26:16):
And we write yeah.
in sharpie on the container.
And they do give you a servingtub or defrosting tub so that
you can, keep it in your fridgeand the juices aren't going to
leak or anything like that.
So they give you a container touse.
But it's important not to put itlike in the top of your fridge.
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You want to put it on the bottomshelf so that It's, if it drips
or if it spills, it's not goingto spill all over your fruit and
produce.
Pate (26:44):
Yeah, and hopefully it won't spill because it is, I
mean, I hate plastic, but it'sin plastic,
jme (26:50):
plastic wrap.
Pate (26:51):
Yeah, yeah, so, um.
jme (26:54):
But still it, yeah, it sweats and it's, yep.
And yeah, the blood part is thepart that Brian hates the most.
Pate (26:59):
Oh, really?
jme (26:59):
Yeah.
Pate (26:59):
Mm-hmm
jme (27:00):
But, but yeah, so, so then you know, you really,
Pate (27:03):
dogs don't care.
jme (27:04):
No.
You really should have aseparate set of tools for this.
So a separate cutting board, aseparate, bowl that you only use
for that and knife that you onlyuse for raw meat.
And you really have to make surethat you're washing them
thoroughly, washing the surfacethoroughly, and then washing
your hands with, hot and soapywater.
Pate (27:21):
Right.
And then also, we do bleachbaths, you know,
jme (27:24):
for the dishes,
Pate (27:25):
for the dishes because we have a lot of dogs, right?
The only dishes that we use arestainless steel, like I said,
plastic and the ceramic orporcelain.
They're porous.
So, I mean, can you really getthem 100 percent clean?
If something decides to stick,
jme (27:41):
which I didn't know that about ceramic because you think
about a toilet and you thinkabout it not being porous,
right?
Like, so
Pate (27:48):
it's got different coating as opposed to like what you eat,
right?
jme (27:51):
Like you're not an edible.
You're not going to eat out ofthe toilet, so.
Pate (27:54):
No, that's so gross.
Oh my gosh, did you see?
There's a meme and they wereeating out of the toilet.
It was a clean toilet and it waslike for a display, a specific
display.
And when they flushed, it waslike chocolate.
Oh.
And I'm like, no, thank you.
jme (28:14):
That's, no, that's a tough one.
I can't deal with that.
No, that's, yeah.
Pate (28:19):
But I'm sitting here going, why would you want to eat
out of the toilet anyway, right?
But, um, but yeah, I've actuallynever thought of that.
jme (28:28):
You know what was funny is that, I used to, if I was in a
hurry to go to the daycare inthe morning, I would bring my
pills in my pocket, mymedication, and as I took them
out of my pocket, one of mypills, Went on to the floor in
the dog room in the little dogroom behind the desk And rolled
and I picked it up and and ateit I know and like
Pate (28:49):
Giardia
jme (28:50):
and Carrie saw me and she goes did you just eat that and I
was like yeah, and I'm like Iknow these floors are clean
because I cleaned them lastnight and I'm like, that should
be a commercial.
Like it's so clean that we'lleat off of it.
But yeah, and then I was like,okay, I probably won't ever do
that again.
(29:10):
But I wouldn't do that at home.
Because at home,
Pate (29:13):
you don't clean every night the way we do.
jme (29:16):
Yeah, with disinfectants.
So, I actually wasn't worried atall.
Yeah, but yeah, she laughed atme and thought it was weird,
right?
Well, it is a little weird.
And now I've admitted somethingembarrassing.
Pate (29:27):
You know what?
I'm sorry.
Five second rule, man.
five second rule.
Oh, we're outside.
jme (29:33):
Remember when we got crumble cookie and I handed you
the box and it collapsed in thefront seat of the car and they
are so,
Pate (29:39):
oh, and then we were picking through it going, okay,
which one is this?
jme (29:42):
Well, and like some of them landed upside down on the really
dirty floor mat and there was nofucking way that we were going
to eat that.
No, but yeah, we were like,okay, this one looks okay.
Pate (29:54):
This one landed on my leg.
I'm good.
jme (29:56):
Such a travesty.
We were so disappointed.
Pate (30:01):
I, yeah, it was, it was like that slow mo and then like
that pan out to both of ourfaces like not moving with our
hands going, Oh,
jme (30:10):
but do you know what?
They changed the boxes because Iguarantee you enough people
complain that their boxes justcollapse.
Pate (30:17):
Yes.
So flimsy.
jme (30:18):
So they changed the boxes.
Yeah.
And, I was like, Oh, you changedthe box.
That's great.
Pate (30:23):
Yeah.
Because now what they need to dois change their egg policy.
And stop doing, like, batterycage egg people.
jme (30:32):
Oh.
Yeah.
Pate (30:33):
Hey, Crumble Cookie, if you're listening, Free range,
man.
Free range.
No, free roam.
Not free range.
Because I think now, like, youcan say free range, but it just
means that they're not in abattery cage, but they're still
in a barn.
And I think free roam is They'reout in the pastures.
jme (30:49):
Yeah, they're like
Pate (30:51):
getting avian flu.
jme (30:52):
Wing to wing inside a barn and they still can't move around
very well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, you want to, if you're goingto get eggs, then you want to
make sure that, you know, takecare of those chickens.
Yeah.
Anyway.
So, um, salmonella.
Yeah.
We're almost out of time.
Yeah.
Um, is there anything else thatyou want to talk about?
Pate (31:15):
How do you know we're out of time?
jme (31:16):
Uh, cause we're at, Our time.
Pate (31:19):
Oh, because I can't see.
jme (31:21):
Well, there's a timer right there.
Pate (31:22):
Okay.
I still can't see
jme (31:23):
Pate doesn't do any of the What is
Pate (31:27):
I just talk
jme (31:27):
post production.
Yeah, she's not.
Yeah, she just thought
Pate (31:30):
I'm like, I don't have time Not that jme has time but
like yeah,
jme (31:34):
yeah, but at least this is something I like doing I like
doing the editing and I likedoing
Pate (31:39):
I would get bored It I got bored.
I got bored the other day justTrying to go through like
looking at current fosters andnot current fosters with the the
software, you know Oh, and thenI told so that I was like, okay,
I'm bored now.
I got to do
jme (31:55):
Yeah, it does take a long time like for each episode it
probably takes me yeah two hours
Pate (32:04):
But but that's the problem with ADHD, you know, you either
get hyper fixated Or, you're,I'm like, I can't do this.
I gotta go.
You know?
jme (32:17):
Yeah, I, I just have trouble doing things that I
really don't want to do.
Pate (32:22):
I'll come back to it.
That was the thing.
That's what I said, too.
And I was like, I'll come backto it.
Goddamn, but not today.
But um, but yeah, like no, soraw food.
We feed ours.
Uh, Raw Food by Darwin's,there's a bunch of other, um,
companies, um, do your research,you know, um.
jme (32:41):
Oh, one thing I do want to say is that, um, in watching a
webinar about bird flu, theysaid that the freeze dried
frozen, freeze dried, yeah,freeze dried raw doesn't kill.
The flu virus.
Pate (32:57):
No, no, freeze dried wouldn't.
No, you got to cook it.
You have to get hightemperatures to kill.
jme (33:02):
Yeah, well, like the Stella and Chewy's that we do or
whatever.
Yeah, that's those are things sothat we still
Pate (33:08):
that's considered raw.
jme (33:09):
We would have to cook it.
Yeah, or not, you know, just soyou know, freezing doesn't
doesn't kill the virus.
Pate (33:16):
Yeah.
And then there's a questionabout and this is especially
important with cats because thedogs They're showing like upper
respiratory symptoms, like akennel cough kind of symptom,
but not fatalities, right?
The cats are the ones who areexperiencing fatalities and
there was a question.
And I don't know if this is trueor not.
(33:38):
So, is this kind of hearsay?
I don't know.
But it could be fake news,because I haven't researched it
definitively.
But the big cat sanctuary inShelton, the thought was like,
hey, because they're outdoor orwhatever.
The wild birds, they got thewild birds, or the wild birds
contaminated their enclosures,but then another one was like,
(34:00):
was their food contaminated?
jme (34:01):
Mm hmm.
Well, and, so, we'll go intothis in a little bit more detail
in the next episode, The BirdFlu 2.
Pate (34:09):
Yeah, Bird Flu 2.
jme (34:10):
But there, it is in rodents, it is in rabbits,
skunks, raccoons, seals, wolves.
Besides birds.
So they've there.
It's almost in every kind of
Pate (34:26):
right, right, but it's
jme (34:27):
cattle.
Pate (34:28):
Yeah Yeah, and it's in varying degrees, right?
We know that it will kill birds.
We know also it will kill Cats
jme (34:36):
it kills most of the cats.
Pate (34:37):
Yeah.
Yeah But a seal in Chicago diedfrom it.
Mm hmm, you know, so I mean andwho knows maybe there's
something else going on withthat seal, right, and that's one
of the things and like I said,we're not fear mongers or
anything like that But I'malways cautionary until I know
more and that is the reason whywith our chicken we have been
(34:58):
cooking our raw chicken And it'sstill less processed than kibble
so,
jme (35:08):
it is a bit of a conundrum that we're we're doing that but
The reason we get it is becauseit's better food, not, not just
because it's raw.
Pate (35:18):
Right.
And I know that the pet storesthey are still selling raw food
and they would know when therecalls are coming out.
They have faith in theirsuppliers.
Of raw foods like, you know,Darwin's or like Small Batch is
another brand, NorthwestNaturals.
jme (35:35):
I think, too, that, you know, when you're working for a
better pet food company, like,you're You're not selling to the
masses.
And so I often think that thethe processes and the Sourcing
are more thoughtful morethoughtful more deliberate and
(35:57):
yes They're still there to makea profit, but they're gonna take
fewer chances than Alpo but ingeneral These companies are in
it for the animals, humane care,and
Pate (36:11):
Right, the raw food people as opposed to like some mass
producing kibble people.
What was that, show that youwatched?
jme (36:18):
Oh, alright.
Yeah, so there's a movie outthere called Pet Fooled.
And it is
Pate (36:27):
Where'd you see it?
jme (36:28):
I want to say it was Netflix, but if you just look up
where can I watch Pet Fooled, itwill tell you.
And I could not believe howdisgusting the industry is.
And the pet food industry ingeneral, they are their own
(36:48):
watchdogs.
So how much do you think theyactually pay attention or care
or monitor themselves?
So There's no third partymonitoring what's going on here
and, one of the scenes, and youwill have to watch it to believe
it, but they had this pile ofhorses and cows, like carcasses,
(37:12):
and, and they were like, well,how else would we deal with them
if we weren't going to put it inpet food?
Like they were saying therewould be an extreme backup of
carcasses in the landfills ifthey weren't instead feeding it
to the dogs.
And so it's like, of course,you, the dog is the way we
(37:35):
dispose of our crap.
And I,
Pate (37:38):
trash cans,
jme (37:38):
I was just like,
Pate (37:39):
garbage disposals.
jme (37:41):
That was their argument, literally, where else are we
going to put it?
And I was like, wow.
So when you see that those arethe people making decisions
about pet food, you really haveto start to think about it.
And this too is why a lot ofpeople cook.
Their own pet food, yeah.
Yeah, and uh, oh I wanted totell you I saw just food for
(38:02):
dogs in the grocery store InAlbertson's really yeah instead
of fresh pet they have just foodfor dogs
Pate (38:09):
Interesting and that was a food that we used for one of my
special needs.
jme (38:14):
Yeah
Pate (38:14):
I I do it quite often with my special needs that won't eat
jme (38:18):
it was cooked though.
It's good.
Pate (38:20):
Yeah, it's cooked food
jme (38:21):
It's kind of like the farmer's dog or something
Pate (38:22):
Maybe I'm not like Yeah, the the total like raw food
person because there are peoplethat feed raw food to puppies
and I don't do that.
We don't do that.
It's kind of like my wholethought is like, it's kind of
like honey, right?
You don't give babies under ayear, honey.
You don't give puppies,actually, you don't want to give
(38:42):
honey to dogs under a year old,because of botulism, right?
I think it's botulism.
Is it botulism?
jme (38:49):
I don't know, which is weird because, because honey is
actually an antibiotic,
Pate (38:54):
depending on it, because you gotta figure that,
jme (38:57):
well, but, it lasts for, Millions of years thousands of
years,
Pate (39:01):
but but you're talking about manuka and manuka is
totally different than like yourfreaking like Clover stuff in
the u.
s.
I mean manuka is like freakingexpensive as hell.
But yes, she's correct.
Manuka is supposed to be anantibacterial, it, um, it
promotes healing, it's like, butyou gotta look and, and you
gotta look and see like how muchof the concentration of the
(39:24):
whatever it is.
I did research this because,with my surgical complications,
I actually have Manuka, and Iwas taking it every day to help.
jme (39:32):
In a pill?
Pate (39:34):
No, honey.
Oh, yeah.
jme (39:35):
Oh, okay.
Just like honey, putting honeyon stuff.
Pate (39:38):
Yes.
And then not normal honey.
Cause like, you know, the honeythat we get here in the U S it
doesn't have the properties thatManuka does.
jme (39:46):
I see.
Pate (39:47):
So Manuka is very special, very expensive from New Zealand
only.
But yeah, she's correct.
But you know what?
I didn't look at Manuka for kidsunder one.
I was just looking at thebenefits of it just because of
my lack of healing abilities.
So that's that they like toutedManuka as something to do
(40:09):
besides increasing my intake ofprotein.
So you can make your own rawfood.
You can purchase raw food that'salready pre made, save you some
time.
jme (40:19):
Cause they put.
Like, veggies and nutrients init.
Pate (40:23):
Well, yeah, they make it well balanced, right?
Whereas, like, if you make yourown, you better do some
research.
jme (40:29):
Right, like, you can't just give them a piece of chicken and
think that that's enough.
You would have to putsupplements in.
Exactly.
Taurine is important for heartdevelopment.
Pate (40:39):
And then that's the thing, is like, Jane was talking about
Just Food for Dogs, which,ironically, um, uh, they do make
their pre made.
Which I use a lot because itbasically looks like food
because it is.
And they have recipes on theirwebpage, but they have, a
supplement that you can add toyour food to help make it, if
(41:00):
you're making your own food,it's like a vitamin supplement
to make it more well balanced.
jme (41:06):
Interesting.
Pate (41:08):
Yeah, that's correct.
jme (41:09):
All right.
Well, we have run out of timefor today.
I'm Jamie.
Pate (41:13):
I'm Pate.
This is our podcast, RescueShit.
jme (41:18):
Rock on.
Pate (41:19):
Rescue on.
jme (41:20):
Yay.
Pate (41:22):
Yeah, and don't forget to email us if you have any
questions or want to talk abouta certain topic or listen to us
babble about a certain topic.
jme (41:29):
RescueShit@motleyzoo.org.
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