March 7, 2025 • 56 mins
Check out ways to prevent your pets from being lost- and tricks and tips to help find them if you do!
Special thanks to Jim Branson, at 3retrievers.com and Max & Neo who make and donate the best martingales (with locking clasps).
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jme (00:00):
Hi, I'm Jamie.
Pate (00:00):
I'm Patti and this is Motley Zoo Animal Rescue
jme (00:03):
and our podcast, Rescue Shit.
Yay.
Oh, that's even better.
Yeah.
Pate (00:10):
Do it again.
jme (00:11):
Okay.
Rescue Shit.
We finally remembered thesqueaker.
I'm impressed.
I'm impressed, Patty, because Ididn't remember.
Pate (00:21):
I got it this time.
jme (00:22):
So today we're going to talk about lost pets.
What happens when you lose apet, some ways to get them back
to you, and what to do if youfind a dog, especially.
Cats are probably going to haveto be trapped.
They don't usually come to you.
But, um, so.
(00:44):
I feel like we're lucky becausethis hasn't happened to us very
often.
I think in the history of MotleyZoo, I only remember three dogs
going missing.
I remember two cats goingmissing, um, which is pretty
great for 16 years.
Yeah.
And I would say almost everyweek we hear about a dog from a
(01:07):
rescue that gets out.
And so, It really seems to bepretty impressive that we're
pretty good about it.
Pate (01:14):
And then she just jinxed us.
jme (01:16):
Fuck, I did.
I know, oh my gosh.
Yeah, I shouldn't even have saidthat.
Pate (01:20):
No, no, no, no.
jme (01:21):
I shouldn't have said that.
Pate (01:22):
Yeah, because the universe is going to be like, hmm, hold
my beer, bitch.
jme (01:26):
Why do I do that?
Pate (01:27):
I don't know.
jme (01:28):
That's the story of my life.
Pate (01:30):
But anyway, if that happens, at least we're
prepared.
jme (01:33):
Yes, we will listen to our own podcast and figure out how
to find them.
Pate (01:37):
Take the steps.
jme (01:39):
So one of the dogs that I end up fostering, I fostered him
after he was found.
His name was Danny and He wentto the foster home, and one of
the mistakes the foster made wasletting him out to meet the
family in the front yard thatisn't fenced.
(02:00):
Thinking back on it now, itprobably seems obvious, you
know, maybe that wasn't a greatidea.
People don't think that in themoment.
Pate (02:08):
No, they're excited, they got this new puppy, um, he's so
cute, um, Yeah, you don't think,oh, this cute puppy is scared,
and the minute I open that door,he's gonna book it.
jme (02:21):
Yeah, and I will say that this foster is now one of our
best fosters.
She's an amazing foster, um, andI'm glad that we got through it
okay.
Um, but one of the things thatwe do tell the fosters is please
don't open the crate untilyou're in the vet office, in the
house.
Um, even in, not in a fencedyard even, because we've had
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dogs go under the porch and youcan't get them out for hours.
They have to sleep outsidesometimes, which is not cool.
Um, but that's because, youknow, people really didn't
listen to what we were saying.
So it's very important not toopen a crate of a dog that's new
to you or cat that's new to you.
Pate (03:03):
Whether you're fostering or adopting.
jme (03:05):
Yes.
Until you are in a safe place.
Yeah.
And that's true, uh, we've haddogs that, um, well, okay, we
had
Pate (03:14):
No, we have.
Remember Jessica.
jme (03:16):
So, it happened to Jessica and, it wasn't Salud.
What was her name?
Pate (03:21):
Who?
jme (03:22):
The white dog that I fostered, and then she got hit
by a car and that was ShanaTova.
Pate (03:30):
Uh, no, but that was a harness.
That wasn't.
She'd had her a while.
jme (03:34):
Oh.
Okay.
Pate (03:36):
That's, yeah, that's why we don't like harnesses.
jme (03:37):
We don't like harnesses.
Okay, so going back, a lot oftimes when people adopt a dog,
they think that because we'vefostered them that, you know,
maybe this They don't think,
Pate (03:50):
still, it's very emotional, right?
jme (03:52):
Yeah.
Pate (03:52):
We're excited.
We're nervous.
This dog's so cute.
I just want to cuddle it andmake it feel better.
And no,
jme (03:59):
no, it's still very likely that they will go running
because they don't know you.
One of the ways that we combatthis is we tell people to keep a
leash on even in the house.
Because sometimes if dogs arescared, they will go hide under
the couch, and then you'retrying to reach for them, and
then they might bite becausethey're so terrified you're
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cornering them.
So, having the leash on a newdog is a great idea.
Keep a clean indoor one, slap adirty outdoor one on when they
go into the yard, but betteryet, don't take the leash out of
your hand for quite a while.
Anyway, so one of the dogs thatgot out, Danny, is He was gone
for almost a week, right?
Pate (04:39):
I thought it was over a week.
jme (04:41):
Maybe, but it started
Pate (04:42):
It felt like forever.
jme (04:43):
It did.
It felt like a long time.
And, you know, I went outlooking for him in the area that
we saw him.
We set up a trap becausesomebody said they saw him.
Somebody stole the trap.
Pate (04:53):
Oh my god, and they put it in front of the grocery store.
Remember that?
jme (04:56):
I was so mad.
But it's funny because I wrotesomething on Facebook that was
like there's a special place foryou that interfere with our, you
know, catching our animals and,you know, everybody thought you
wrote it.
But it was me.
They've never heard me speak sofirmly.
Anyway, so we get a call one dayand somebody said, this dog is
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in my backyard.
And I'm like, great.
Close the gate.
I will be there in, you know, 15minutes.
I went over there and he wasclearly tired.
He was terrified.
Yep.
And he was kind of tangled up inthe ivy, so I think that's
actually what stopped him fromrunning, is that he got tangled
up, and then he got tired tryingto escape.
Pate (05:41):
Well, and he was in a backyard this time, so that they
could shut the door.
jme (05:45):
Yes, and I carefully, slowly went over to him, reached
out.
Put the leash on first thing
Pate (05:54):
slip lead.
jme (05:55):
Yep, and then tried to extricate him from the ivy and
He just kind of fell into myarms and the family that had
found him.
It was actually the little fiveyear old Yeah.
He had seen the posters.
Pate (06:10):
See, the posters work.
They say the first thing thatyou do, get those big, bright
posters with the picture.
jme (06:17):
Yes.
He had seen the posters and hesaid, Mom, I saw this dog is
missing.
There is a poster.
And he showed her where to findthe poster.
And so we, we praised him and wetold him what a good job he did.
I even sent him a little carepackage with some t shirts for
him and his brother.
But they did ask me if theycould pet him.
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And while he was okay with metouching him, I didn't want to
take the risk.
And I told him, no, I'm sorry,you know, I don't know how he'll
react.
And I, I understand why you wantto touch him, but I don't think
we should do that.
And the mom was like, okay,totally understand.
And I still feel bad that Ididn't, but,
Pate (06:57):
But, I mean, this is Dani.
Dani's like a little nervousguy, and you really, and kids
are different than, than adults,for sure, their energy level,
everything like that.
I mean, we could have the mostsocial dog who's great with
adults.
Like there's no such thing as astranger.
And then you have a kid enterthe room and they're like, what
is that?
jme (07:16):
Yeah.
You know, some dogs just really,yeah, don't like children.
And so, so I didn't let them pethim.
I took him home and he was Kindof crazy.
He was bouncing off the wallsand I mean he was, and that's
not the kind of dog I usuallyfoster.
Pate (07:34):
No, no.
jme (07:36):
But eventually he got adopted and he started coming to
our daycare.
He would lose his mind when hesaw me and everything he learned
in training would go out thewindow and I even boarded him
once and I told her I feel likeI'm ruining his training because
(07:56):
I can't manage him because hejust loses his mind that he
remembers that I'm the one thatpicked him up and saved him.
And it's just brings out allthese crazy emotions in him that
he can't control.
So I told her, I don't think Ican board him anymore.
Right.
Um, but so this was a goodstory.
It ended up good.
(08:16):
Uh, and, you know, Like, it, itdoesn't have to be a new foster
or a new adopter to make amistake or for this to happen.
Even one time when Bryan and Iwere fostering, and this was
when we first started MotleyZoo, and we were actually
watching the dog of a newfoster.
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He got out the door and ran.
Ran down the driveway, on thebusy road, up the next driveway.
Pate (08:46):
See ya bitches, I'm out.
jme (08:48):
And Bryan and I were like, we lost a foster, foster's dog!
And I had to tell her that, Wewere looking for him.
Thankfully, he was just hidingin the bushes at the next door
neighbor's house, and we broughtour little dog out to kind of
try and draw him out or to sniffhim out, and that's actually how
we found him.
Jetty ended up sniffing him out.
(09:09):
But, you know, that's me, andI've had a lot of different
dogs.
And I was really careful, andBrian was really careful.
So, it can happen to anybody,and that's what you have to
remember.
The important part is to beprepared, and to try and prevent
it with all these differentthings.
I've really been rambling, sowhy don't you talk about some of
(09:31):
the ways to prevent this in thefirst place.
Pate (09:34):
Like jme said, when you get a new dog in the home, you
use a drag leash.
A drag leash is basically youlet them drag it around and if a
dog is nervous the very firstfew days, you know, We did a
podcast on three three three sothe first three days are They're
gonna be touch and go some somedogs, right?
(09:55):
Some dogs are like super likehey, how you doing?
I mean social butterflies themajority of dogs It's not so
much like, I don't know you, Idon't know what's going on.
So you have that drag leash,especially with the adult dogs,
right?
Not with the puppies.
jme (10:07):
Yeah, puppies will eat it.
So that's, that's another thingis a puppy probably is going to
follow you.
And you know, some dogs willchew those leashes.
So on occasion you may need toget a cable leash or a
lightweight chain leash.
To work on these things.
Pate (10:22):
Yeah, so the drag leash is one of the first things.
If you know that your dog's adoor dasher, you can set up,
baby gates so that they can'tget to the door or, the exercise
pens, the play pens that you canjust blockade the door with.
jme (10:39):
I think to hang.
a leash next to the door andmake sure that that leash is on
your dog before you open it.
Maybe even put a sign on yourdoor that says, Taking care of
the dog or hang on an extrasecond because I have to secure
the dog, right?
This people will wait like yeahAnd if there's a little sign
(11:00):
that says, you know, I have adog inside right?
I need to prepare them
Pate (11:03):
I mean obviously training is going to Help one of the
things that we teach our puppiesis what we call threshold
training So any type ofthreshold a doorway?
they will stop at that doorway.
And if you do it consistently,repetitively, repetition is the
key to sink into their brain.
(11:24):
They will stop at that door andsit and wait.
jme (11:27):
Well, and it's important, I think to also teach them to sit
and wait on the other side ofthat threshold.
Otherwise, you're going out thedoor and they think the minute
they're outside, they can runoff and they yank your arm out
of its socket while you'retrying to lock the door.
Pate (11:42):
Yeah.
Um, and we've seen, we've seenthose ring videos.
That girl, she turns around tolike, and then she just like.
She gets pulled.
I mean, literally like, like amovie pulled that quickly and
because her dog saw somethingand he, he booked it with her
attached to him, which is great.
Yeah.
And then there's that other onethat you see where a guy's on
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the phone and he's walking outand he's on the phone and then
his little like Frenchie barrelsout of the door behind him and
then like a car goes over theFrenchie.
Like, thank God he got missed.
jme (12:19):
Do you know that actually happened to Jetty?
My fence had alternating slatson the front, on the inside, on
the front, on the inside, andthere was just enough gap that
he ran through.
We did not know this, of course,until he ran through.
And, he ran straight into a car,coming, and the car went over
him.
(12:39):
And I just about lost my shit.
I fell in the road and I waslike sobbing and I had like
crawled to him and I mean, I wasjust, yeah, and then he had to
have a tether.
So we had to have one of thoselittle stakes and he would just
run around in circles.
And he was kind of neuroticanyways, so, imagine having like
a little five pound dog on atether, but it was because he
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could run right through thefence.
Pate (13:03):
Yeah, but, um, yeah, and, and that happens.
I mean, that's what happenedwhen Maria Maria was one of our,
dogs who, Was she had herpuppies?
We got her with her puppy.
She was already nursing herpuppies, and she was a little
nervous and I had her in myhouse and She got over her
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nervousness at my house and thepuppies were older And they had
started going off to theirfoster to adopts and she was
starting to come out of hershell, had some training, all
that fun stuff.
So it was time for her to go toanother foster.
And, um, yeah, and then thefoster has
jme (13:49):
Who was experienced.
Pate (13:50):
Yes, and she has two small dogs who never left her yard.
One of the foster's dogs issmaller than Maria Maria.
And But Maria found a spot inthat fence and was just like see
you bitches and the husband is Ithink he's a marathon runner.
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I know he's a runner So and hechased her and then that is not
what you're supposed to
jme (14:17):
No But it's the first thing you're gonna think about
Pate (14:19):
exactly right, but I mean and then'cause she was booking
it So, I mean he obviously hadto chase her to an extent just
so that he could keep her Insight, but he eventually lost
her.
jme (14:30):
I will say that I was boarding a dog and he did the
same, he pushed out the door andran down the driveway straight
to the busy road.
And.
I was like, Oh my God, he'sgoing to run out in the road and
I was like crying, but Iremembered one of the tricks
that you can do is stop and runthe other direction and call to
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them and then they're like, Hey,what are we chasing?
And so I'm like, Bosley, Bosley,I'm like, let's go.
Let's go play.
And I started running the otherway.
And he stopped and looked at meand then ran right towards me.
Right.
And I cried all the way into thehouse.
Pate (15:11):
But yeah, and that works if you know the dog.
jme (15:14):
Yes.
If the dog is not shy and scared
Pate (15:17):
and knows you, whereas like Maria, Maria, that was her
very first morning with them.
Spent the night and then thenext morning.
She's gone.
jme (15:28):
So they should not have let her off the leash in the yard.
That is how that could have beenprevented.
Right.
Because they will find the holein the fence.
Yeah, like flies to shit.
They will just target on it andthey will be gone.
You think that they won't findit, but they will.
Especially a scared dog that'sscared.
Right.
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And they're like, walking theperimeter because they're like,
I don't know this yard.
I'm all scared.
I'm by myself.
Even if they're not bythemselves, they panic and they
will find it.
So,
Pate (15:57):
oh my God, where am I?
Who are you?
I'm going to go back to what Iknow.
jme (16:01):
So don't let a new dog off the leash in the yard.
This is also a trick to helpwith potty training too.
If you take them on the leash tothe same spot where they potty,
then it will become robotic forthem and they won't.
I'm going to explore and not goto the bathroom.
I'm going to go behind a bushand pretend I'm going to the
bathroom, but I'm really not.
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These are all things.
I say the leash is a 5 tool thatsolves a world of problems and
doesn't let them start.
Pate (16:31):
Yeah, exactly.
You know, I mean, we always saywhen you first have a dog, You
are very strict with them andthere's no trust built up them,
but they have to earn thattrust.
And when they earn that trust,they get a little more freedom.
Kind of like what jme wassaying.
You don't let them have free runof the house because they don't
know where the bathroom is.
They don't know what door is thebathroom.
(16:53):
And I mean, we can go into astrange house and be like, Hey,
where's the bathroom?
You know, they cannot.
So the leash is kind of your,Well, I don't know, like the
language, the dog language forthem to go to the bathroom
outside.
Here's how we go outside.
Here's the door where we gooutside.
jme (17:12):
Well, and it lets them explore in a controlled manner.
You know, they can sniff, butthey can only go so far and they
have to look back to you, andthey rely on you.
So yeah, it's really important.
Pate (17:24):
And then this is the only time that I ever use.
Those retractable leashes.
jme (17:33):
Oh yeah.
Pate (17:34):
When you get a brand new dog.
I shouldn't say a brand new dog,but, a scared or shy dog.
Sometimes they won't go to thebathroom when they're right next
to you, because you're just verytall and overwhelming, and they
may need a little more spacefrom you, but you don't want
them to run amok.
Because have fun chasing them inyour backyard.
We've had fun chasing some notchasing dogs, but trying to get
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them in the boarding kennel.
Um,
jme (17:58):
Sometimes we have five people and this is a dog that's
been in someone's house for Everand they're just like I don't
know you i'm not going back inmy kennel And it's not
Pate (18:08):
even with her brother there.
jme (18:09):
Yeah, it's not great when that happens.
That is
Pate (18:11):
that took four hours
jme (18:12):
That is a frustration of mine.
Pate (18:13):
Yeah, so yeah, we've learned from that.
And so we have a smaller yardfor the new dogs to acclimate.
jme (18:20):
New to us dogs that we don't know how they're going to
behave.
Right.
In the yard.
Pate (18:24):
Yeah.
And then we learn and if they'regreat and they're super social,
then we'll put them in the bigyard.
So the same thing applies with,the dogs, if they're shy in your
house or whatever.
Just so you don't lose them, butsay that they do get out like
Maria Maria did.
And, um, the first thing thatyou do is you, you make the
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signs, right?
Those big, bright, obnoxioussigns.
The best ones are the ones thatyou put in the ground.
jme (18:53):
Oh, the corrugated plastic with the, metal stakes.
Pate (18:56):
Yep.
With a big picture of the dogand your phone number lost.
because everyone likes beingrewarded.
Your phone number and do notchase, just call us.
And, I always recommend when weget people saying, Hey, I lost
my dog or whatever.
The first steps are to look atThree Retrievers and that is an
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organization led by Jim Bransonwho has scent dogs and he, looks
for dogs and cats.
He has a dog specifically tofind dogs and he has a dog
specifically to find cats.
And his website has step by stepinstructions of what to do when
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you lose a dog.
And when you find them, like,most people are going to call
their dog.
They're going to be like, hey,Buffy.
Yeah, don't do that.
You don't want to call them.
Right now they're in aninstinctual mode.
They got out.
They're nervous.
They're scared.
They're running for their livesuntil they calm down, right?
When they're running, that's aninstinctual mode.
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It's not cognitive.
They're not going to recognizetheir name.
They're just going to hear amonster, you know, monster
chasing them, you know, likethe, the voice or whatever.
So they will not come to thename more often than not.
So that's one of the things thatthey tell you not to do, is call
your dog and you want to makethose posters, get them
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everywhere within a five mileradius.
If we had not done those signs,we never would have found Danny.
No, it was a five year old kidin the back of the car looking
at these, like, big ol signs andhe couldn't read them.
But he was like, I saw that dogbecause it was a big ol sign
that was obnoxiously bright witha big ol picture of Danny.
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And another way is word of mouthas well.
So you've got Nextdoor,PawBoost, Facebook.
You've got, you know, like LostPets Facebook groups.
jme (20:57):
Yeah, like we have one called Lost Dogs of King County.
Pate (21:00):
And Lost Dogs of Snohomish.
Actually, there's two of them.
Mm hmm.
And I don't, I don't know whythere's two.
jme (21:05):
Once they're out of your sight and you know, you need to
make these posts, have someoneelse do it if you're still going
to go looking for them orwhatever,
Pate (21:12):
and ring ring.
jme (21:14):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
We found that these are some ofthe fastest ways to become
reunited with your pets is theseguys.
What are they called?
Social media, I guess, socialmedia apps.
And so it's really importantthat you try all the things
right.
And maybe you'll get a sighting.
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Then you move some of your signsto closer to that sighting.
Pate (21:38):
Because some dogs and some cats.
I mean, cats.
I mean, they're not coming toyou.
Just forget it.
I mean, have fun with that.
Okay, maybe, I shouldn't saythey're not coming to you ever.
Some cat may randomly come up toyou.
But, More often than not, youhave to trap.
Yeah.
And that's another thing in thatwhen you trap an animal, you
leave a trap out.
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It's really, really important tomonitor that trap.
You have to monitor and keepeyes on that trap and especially
cats because cats in a trap canfreak out and actually, you
know, cause harm to themselves.
jme (22:15):
The other thing too is that People think cats must be long
gone, but they're so oftenactually right close to you and
they're hiding somewhere.
So look really carefully in youryard and your neighbor's yard.
And you have to tell yourneighbors that you lost your cat
and what it looks like becauseyour cats often live inside.
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And so your neighbors may noteven know that you have a cat.
That happens a lot.
So, I totally forgot what I wassaying.
So, let's talk about when Jimwent and took his, dogs to find
Maria Maria.
Pate (22:52):
Oh, he did not find her.
But he was able to find hertrail, and we found out that she
was being chased by coyotes,which was, you know, even more
nerve wracking, because she's alittle chihuahua mix, so.
jme (23:09):
How did he know that?
Pate (23:10):
The scat.
And then they could smell,
jme (23:13):
her trail mm-hmm And the coyotes.
Pate (23:14):
Yep.
Yep.
And then the thing is, is likeJim said, there's a lot of
wildlife, there's a lot ofrabbits.
Most likely, you know, theyweren't looking for a meal.
They were.
You know, drawn to, hey, what'sthis?
But that's not always the case,as we know.
because coyotes do prey on, ourpets that are out and about.
jme (23:37):
They're right on the leash.
They'll take a dog off a leash.
Pate (23:40):
Yeah.
So I just want to say, like, ifyou have an air horn You should
walk around with an air hornbecause that will stop a coyote
because those things are loudand obnoxious.
They also stop aggressive dogson the loose.
Cause if you see a dog runningat you and you have that air
horn and you blast it at themmore often than not, they're
going to be like, well, andthen.
(24:01):
Book it because, you know,
jme (24:03):
how far away was Maria when she was found, Danny was about
three miles.
Yeah, exactly.
Four or five miles.
Pate (24:11):
Yeah, exactly.
There were sightings of her,which was great.
But by the time we got to thatsighting, she'd already left.
And so Gary and I were onMonroe.
She was in Tampa.
We would drive.
We drove multiple times anytimethere was a sighting.
jme (24:27):
Tampa.
Pate (24:27):
And.
Did I say to Tacoma?
jme (24:32):
Is this a Florida story or a local story?
Pate (24:36):
Tacoma?
I do that a lot.
Anyway, um, I'm from Florida.
I'm not from Florida, but I livethere for a long time.
Anyway.
So yeah, so we would drive fromMonroe to Tampa to Tacoma to
Tacoma.
To try to find her,
jme (24:51):
which is like two hours.
Pate (24:53):
Yeah.
And then she was, she was noteven there.
And then we go home and thenthere's another sighting, but
she's a mile away.
And I'm like, right.
So we're not even in the rightspot, but, we had brought our
dogs hoping that that wouldentice her to come out.
It didn't.
She eventually got foundbecause.
She was on someone's porch likekind of like Danny how they kind
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of got cornered or whateverFortunately, the guy brought her
in and guess what social media?
Boom, you're like, hey, we foundthis dog and I'm like
jme (25:26):
Well, and he didn't even have to go to the vet and scan
the microchip anything like thatCuz we've made it a big deal.
How long was she gone for?
Pate (25:34):
Like Danny I think it was like over a week
jme (25:36):
And After three days, you start to lose some hope because
you know, what's out there, youknow, there's so many coyotes,
there's highways, there's roads.
Pate (25:44):
Oh yeah, she crossed the busy road.
But yeah, we fortunately foundher.
Thank you.
And she's been adopted.
So Jim Branson.
Has his scent dogs and, Gary isactually our lead trainer, my
husband, is actually taking ourdogs, Liam and Rob.
are doing scent work, and theygo out and find, they're more
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dog than cat.
Mm hmm.
Guess Jim said that you pick oneor the other.
Instead of both.
So, Hopefully, you know, Garywill be able to help with that
because Jim is in such highdemand That it's crazy.
Yeah, it can take some days, youknow, and by then you're like,
yeah, what's happening withinthat time frame?
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Where are they the scent gets alittle bit older if it rains.
I mean geez
jme (26:33):
well and how much does this cost approximately to have?
Pate (26:37):
I don't know, is it like 300?
jme (26:39):
I want to say it's 300 Yeah, that's what I recall and
obviously we'll pay anything toget our animals back, but he is
in high demand.
Pate (26:47):
Yeah.
And he knows what he's doing.
I mean, he's been doing this fora while, and that's why I said,
when you lose a dog, get onthat, I mean, before you even
lose a dog, when you have a pet,you should go to three
retrievers and know what to do.
Be prepared.
What to do if your dog ever gotout, you know, and got lost or
cat.
jme (27:08):
Yeah.
So what happens when you find adog?
Why don't you tell them aboutJason?
Pate (27:13):
Yeah.
jme (27:14):
He was a difficult dog to get.
Pate (27:16):
Yeah.
So Jason was on the side of ahighway I got called about him
and,
jme (27:24):
someone who knew you.
Pate (27:26):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
So She called me and said thatthere was a German shepherd mix
on the side of the highway thathe was scared.
People were there.
Not knowing what to do, hewouldn't come to them and that,
you know, he's growling andsnapping and lunging.
And then I was like, well, havethe people leave him from the
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hell alone and let him chillout, you know?
And I understand why they weretrying so hard because he was on
a busy highway.
They didn't want him to get inthe highway.
And then, you know, people areconfrontational whether they
realize it or not, they're notgiving calming signals.
So Jim talks about calmingsignals on his webpage one of
the things that you don't wantto do, even, even like friends,
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dogs, new dogs that you nevermet, you never want to face
them.
Face them face on, right?
You don't want to look them inthe eye.
You're challenging them.
You don't want to hover overthem, stand over them.
So I could hear Jason in thebackground barking, and it was
a, you know, like a stay awayfrom me bark or whatever.
And I could hear this guy givingdirections
jme (28:32):
to like, to encircle him.
Pate (28:34):
Yes.
And I'm like, and I told Brenda,I'm like, tell him to back off.
They mean well, but they arefreaking him out.
That is what that barking is, isJason was telling them,
jme (28:45):
I'm freaking out.
Stay away.
Pate (28:46):
Leave me alone.
He was giving them all thecommunication and, they just
weren't not listening.
And I drove down there and loand behold, it's not a German
shepherd.
It's an Akita.
And I'm like, Oh, I'm like,okay, people back the fuck off
because seriously, this is nothow you approach an Akita.
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Right.
And fortunately someone wasthere that.
had their lunch and they hadgreasy fried chicken.
And, that is like a great way towin a dog over.
He was up in the Blackberry.
Bushes and I'm like great.
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So I got stabbed quite a fewtimes While I went up there to
him, but when I went up there tohim, I didn't look him in the
eye I did a lot of yawns and eyeaversion where I just like
glance at him out of the side ofmy eye I approached him sideways
I sat on that hill and Withthese stupid blackberries poking
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me, but I sat below him, youknow, and then I inched up so
that we were kind of side byside.
And then, I threw someone'sfried chicken, I threw, bits and
pieces of it to him, once he'dcalmed down and was ignoring me,
not panting so hard.
And not threatened by me andlike we sat there for a few
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Brenda had told the people, youknow, like we got this you can
leave The lady who was eatingthe fried chicken stayed because
she was I guess curious to seewhat would happen
jme (30:22):
she wanted her lunch.
Pate (30:23):
She no, no, she was done cuz she'd eaten So gross, I
don't like to feel meat.
jme (30:32):
No, but this is a good trick because just stop by any
gas station and grab the greasychicken things and then that's
probably one of the best thingsthat it will attract.
Pate (30:43):
Cause it's so smelly.
Yeah.
And it's greasy.
I don't know why but thatgrease, like, smell is a little
bit more pungent.
Yeah.
And that's a great way to teachrecall, by the way.
If you're hiking, um, everycar's horn sounds a little bit
different.
Um, so if you have KentuckyFried Chicken or whatever, And
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you train your dogs to comeback, and then they run to the
car after you honk.
Obviously don't start it out inthe woods, but, uh, when they
start, and then when they get inthe car, when they recall from
the honk, you give them friedchicken.
And that's the only time youever give them fried chicken.
jme (31:24):
Yeah, you do have to make it special.
You can't give it to them allthe time.
Pate (31:28):
So they know when they go in the car with that honk,
they're getting fried chicken.
jme (31:32):
Well, and you told me it took about two hours to get
Jason.
And clearly most people are notgonna have the patience for
that.
And most people would give up.
Besides sitting kind of withyour back to him or kind of
sideways?
Pate (31:46):
Yeah, it started with the back and then I scooted up a
little bit more and thensideways.
jme (31:50):
And then laying down can help because they're like, why
are you laying down?
Pate (31:53):
Yeah, are you hurt?
jme (31:54):
It's scary with a dog that you don't know, but often laying
down they're just like, Huh,maybe I'll go see what's going
on.
Pate (32:02):
Right, and if you're looking at a dog, like don't try
it with an Akita.
But, you know, like sometimesLittle dogs.
are lost, right?
And if you lay down, I mean, ifyou stumble and fall and lay
down, they'll be like, oh, whatjust happened?
But yeah, with big dogs, youreally don't want to lay down.
But yeah, bribery works reallywell.
With Jason, the chicken workedand first I tossed it to him and
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then let him eat out of my hand.
Obviously not right away.
And then after he was eating outof my hand, then we introduce a
slip lead.
And then once we got the sliplead, I mean, he obviously
backed up and was like, Oh hellno.
And I was like, Oh no, here, Ihave some more chicken.
He's like, okay.
And then when we got down to thecar,
jme (32:49):
well, but you end up kind of feeding them, holding up the
leash in a big loop and feedingthem through the hole.
Pate (32:57):
Yeah.
Multiple times.
jme (32:59):
So that there, yeah.
Don't try to catch them on thefirst one.
Feed them through the loop.
It's like muzzle training.
And then, then you will lassothem.
Pate (33:09):
Right, yeah.
Like first you just have theslip lead in your hand with the
chicken.
And then, and then he's like, ohlook at that leash with the
chicken, you know.
And then you can get your otherhand in up.
So it's a process, it's notlike.
You know, let's just go
jme (33:27):
and if you go too fast, then they're gonna know what
you're gonna do Mm hmm, andyou're more likely to lose then
Pate (33:33):
you get that one chance.
jme (33:35):
Yeah, you know, so build that trust first So before I did
Motley Zoo, there was a littledog that went to a new foster
and same thing.
They just, she ran out the dooror they just had her in the
front yard or something.
And, she was gone for a month.
Pate (33:51):
You know what?
Dog on Seattle has had a dogmissing since November and they
just had a sighting.
jme (33:58):
Wow.
Yeah.
So there were sightings.
I went looking every day.
But, you know, after a fewweeks, you're like, okay, I
guess this dog is gone.
And she was found almost tenmiles away, maybe not quite.
Pate (34:11):
Wow.
jme (34:12):
Across highways, still dragging the leash.
Pate (34:15):
What?
jme (34:16):
Yeah, and the reason she was found is because the leash
got caught between the boards ofsomeone's deck.
And so she was stuck.
And they could not approach her.
But they were able to I don'tknow if they took a picture and
blew it up of the tag so theycould figure out where she was
from and they called the numberand, I went to the place.
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It took me half an hour, youknow, of sitting down, feeding
treats, slowly moving across thedeck towards her and, you know,
by that time then she was like,okay, she trusted me and I
thought, oh, how am I going toget her in the car?
She jumped right in the car.
She was like, oh, yeah.
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But they were like, wow, likethat was a process and I was
like, yeah, it is a process.
And you can't,
Pate (35:05):
especially if you're the stranger, not the parent.
jme (35:07):
Yeah, and you can't be too hasty about it.
So not a lot of people are gonnaspend two hours, you know doing
that.
I will admit I would get alittle tired and frustrated.
Two hours.
Yeah, and yeah.
Pate (35:21):
Yeah.
I mean, I can't believe that onelady stayed and watched me sit.
jme (35:26):
Sometimes people get invested.
Yeah.
They want to see how it turnsout, but yeah, not many people
have two hours to just sit andwatch.
Pate (35:33):
Yeah, I know.
And there's other things I didin between that time, you know,
to show that I wasn't a threat.
I talk a lot, I might sing.
I sing a lot, not, I mean, andit's great, for the dogs because
they don't judge me, because I'msure I'm flat a lot.
jme (35:51):
Well, and why does yawning work?
Why don't you explain that?
Pate (35:55):
Yawning?
It's actually dog language.
So, that is what another dog isgoing to do for another dog.
Sometimes, well, and the thingis sometimes they're stress
yawning, right?
Jason was stress yawning at me.
But I wasn't stress yawning athim.
jme (36:11):
And they often go, it was make that like, you know, noise.
Pate (36:17):
It's a really, yeah.
And then at the end, and thenthey like str their stress yawns
are so, like, it's really wide.
Mm-hmm They're like, oh my god.
jme (36:25):
Lip licking is also also another sign of stress.
Pate (36:27):
Yep.
And, uh, but yeah, but if youjust yawn a little bit.
I'm gonna yaw.
What are you talking about witha yawn Um, not a halfway yawn
but definitely not a full mouthyawn.
Yeah.
Because that's more of astressed yawn.
Right?
And that just signals to themthat there's really nothing to
really be worried about.
I mean, it's just, it's a chillday.
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It's, it's okay.
Let's take a nap.
It's basic dog language.
So you were talking to them intheir language when you do the
yawning, when you do theaversion.
If you see dogs greet each otherappropriately, it's not face to
face.
jme (37:03):
Nose to nose.
Pate (37:04):
Yeah, it's definitely not nose to nose.
It could be, I mean, I wasn'tlike going towards his ass, but
you'll see sometimes they gosideways, right?
And then that's what you want todo with them.
jme (37:14):
Or they do the butt sniffing around.
Pate (37:17):
Yeah.
Which, you know,
jme (37:18):
we're not going to do that.
Pate (37:19):
No, but we'll do the sideways approach.
And when you get on their leveland you'll see like a dog.
If they're wanting to instigateplay and they're showing they're
not a threat or whatever, you'llsee the play bow where they get
lower than the other dog.
They're like, hey,
jme (37:35):
which is different than cowering and whale eye, which is
like when their eyes are, youcan see the whites of their
eyes, or they're really stiff.
Yep.
And their mouth is closed andtheir squinty.
Well, and for Jason, that's howhe looks like all the time.
I mean, as an Akita, he justlooks like he's like, staring
you down and, and gonna kill youwith his eyes.
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So
Pate (37:58):
it's a teddy bear.
jme (37:59):
He's a big teddy bear.
And, it took a little while forus to know him and trust him.
Pate (38:05):
Well, it took strangers and took a while for him to
trust anyone.
I mean, I was the only one.
In his trust circle because Igot him off the highway, but you
know, no one else could touchhim.
jme (38:19):
And I will say too, this was when we were so full and we
really couldn't take another dogin we tried to go through the
normal channels of animalcontrol.
Right.
And they were pretty much likehe's probably going to get
euthanized if he comes here.
Pate (38:34):
Yeah, because he's an Akita and he's not going to do
well and they don't have theexperience or the, capacity to,
you know, to work with a doglike that.
They'll consider him achallenging breed and he'll
probably bite someone because,you know, they've got the
volunteers, that don't have theexperience to read a dog.
jme (38:58):
No, and if you get 72 hours to gauge a dog's behavior before
they're euthanized, like, that'snot gonna work.
Pate (39:04):
I don't think they give them that long.
I mean, I don't, I mean, I don'tthink, think they give them that
short, do they?
jme (39:08):
72 hours is the stray hold.
Pate (39:10):
Oh, stray hold, yeah.
Well, okay.
In Washington.
He didn't even go to the strayhold.
jme (39:14):
Well, what they did was they let us do the 72 hour stray
hold.
On our property, which isn'tnormal, that doesn't usually
happen, and we were trying toreunite him with his family, and
it turned out they didn't wanthim.
Pate (39:27):
Oh, that was sketch.
jme (39:30):
Yeah, it was really weird.
So, We were like, okay, fine.
Now we're committed to this dogand you know, so we committed to
training him and now he's sowell behaved that when adopters
come, they realize that theirdog's a big mess and they want
to trade us a Jason for theirdog.
Pate (39:46):
Well, cause Jason's well behaved or whatever.
And then they realize that theirdog may.
May not approach the way thatJason has been taught to
approach and that yeah
jme (39:59):
That they're gonna cause the problem.
Well, and you know, Jason reallylikes the ladies So it's either
someone with no other Akita'ssomeone with a female Akita or a
female dog Yeah, yeah, or
Pate (40:12):
because his best friend right now is that his two best
friends are because he doesbetter with the ladies is a
husky mix and then this littletoy dog, you know, from Hawaii,
toy dog terrier mix and she's
jme (40:29):
30 pounds.
Pate (40:32):
Yeah, 35 or something like that, but she's all muscle.
But yeah, they're best friends.
So he's really good with thosegirls.
So he can be in a home withanother dog Preferably a female.
jme (40:42):
Well, we know we've had him for two years, which is not Any
kind of reflection of himeither.
Pate (40:48):
No, not at all.
jme (40:49):
It's that we're not going to put him in a home that isn't
exactly right for him.
Pate (40:53):
Or capable of handling that breed.
jme (40:54):
Yeah, and we're not going to give him to a first time dog
person.
That's not a good idea.
He's not a first time dog dog.
No.
And so.
Pate (41:02):
Just because he has a strong personality, right?
jme (41:04):
Well, I mean, Akitas are aloof, independent.
These are some qualities.
That's why they make good guarddogs.
That's what they've been bred todo.
Pate (41:11):
Well, American Akitas.
Yeah.
The Japanese Akitas aren't as.
jme (41:18):
They're still pretty fiercely loyal.
Pate (41:20):
They're fiercely loyal, but they're not, I don't want to
say aggressive because I hateusing that word, but the
American Akitas.
They're a harder dog than theJapanese Akita's because the
Japanese Akita's they'resweeter, right?
Have, have we heard about Hachi?
Y'all should look into Hachi,but I mean, Japanese Akita's
are, Sweet dogs normally,
jme (41:42):
well, and we had Astro at daycare, who was like the
biggest, he was so not an Akita,Akita,
Pate (41:50):
he's a Japanese Akita.
Yeah.
jme (41:51):
Yeah.
But then Haley, his new youngersister, very different.
Pate (41:57):
Yeah.
jme (41:57):
And she would get standoffish and barky at us in
the same day.
Even when she knew us,
Pate (42:03):
50 first dates.
jme (42:04):
Yeah, if you took her off leash, you would have trouble
getting her back on leash, evenin the daycare room.
So.
Pate (42:11):
Anyway, that was a total digression.
jme (42:13):
Yeah.
Okay, so what about finding acat?
If you find one on your porch orsomething like that if we're not
trapping it, what would, whatwould you try and do?
Pate (42:22):
If we're not trapping it, get it in the house.
jme (42:24):
Lead it in the house with some food?
Pate (42:25):
Yeah, I was going to say, is this cat approachable or not?
Yeah.
Cause if it's not approachable,most likely you're going to have
to trap it.
If it is approachable, a lot offamily pet cats that are out and
about some may act feral, butsome may be like, Oh my God,
it's so cold and I'm so hungry.
Can I please come inside?
jme (42:47):
This is why cats have like three families sometimes.
Outdoor cats.
Pate (42:51):
And then that way it's easy.
Just put them in your bathroom.
Figure out what the scenario is.
Go look on social media.
Cause you know, those lost dogs,lost cats, whatever.
It's not just loss.
It's like, Hey, I foundsomebody, you know, we've had to
do that a few times.
And we've fortunately been ableto find the owners or the owners
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have found us.
Because of our post that wefound their dog.
jme (43:14):
I know one of the times the reason the cat got away from us
was the crate fell apart
Pate (43:22):
Yeah, it was yeah because yeah that did happen to us
jme (43:25):
so when you're carrying a new cat especially a new cat
It's better to you know Carrythe crate and then cradle it
with your other arm underneathso that the crate doesn't fall
apart.
Yeah.
Or put some zip ties through thelittle holes before you do
transports or, you know, take itoutta there.
Pate (43:45):
No, it, it is best just to light football it.
Mm-hmm
jme (43:49):
But don't crush it.
'cause then it can, the door canpop off or whatever, but that is
how one of the, the cats gotaway and we never did find
Pate (43:55):
two.
jme (43:56):
Yep.
So and
Pate (43:57):
we found one.
jme (43:58):
We found one and we didn't find the other.
I remember too, there wasanother story with one of our
fosters and the kitten was likeeight weeks old and they had it
in the yard with them and theyturned around and it was gone.
Yeah, and they didn't tell usthat the cat went missing.
Yeah, and they looked for it andafter three days They told us
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the foster cat was missing andthat was a kitten an eight week
old kitten in their yard So likeyou just can't trust that and
especially if you're fosteringfor an organization, don't do
that Just don't take themoutside.
Yeah, and then one of the othercats Did she push the screen
out?
She was a mom cat and she hadkittens.
Pate (44:39):
She pushed the screen out.
jme (44:40):
She pushed the screen out and went out.
But didn't she do it twice?
Because they didn't fix theproblem in the first place.
Pate (44:45):
No, no, no.
So the first time she got outdoing the screen, and
fortunately, she had kittens.
So they were able to play therecording of the kittens, like
really loud.
Kittens in distress, right?
And then the mom comes barrelingback in.
And then after they fixed thatscreen in the window, It was
(45:09):
summer.
So it was kind of toasty, right?
And, so they left the door open.
Like their sliding glass dooropen.
And she got out.
jme (45:20):
And we found her again.
And then we took the and then wetook them away.
Because they're
Pate (45:24):
like, dude, not the third time is not the charm.
In this case, she's going to begone.
jme (45:29):
Yeah.
So when I was younger, my firstcat, so I was probably 20 years
old.
They were indoor cats, and myboyfriend at the time, his
brother, was moving out, and Ididn't know this.
It was very sudden.
He left the door open, and mycat, Hex, got out.
And I was crying, I was so mad.
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Curses was a little bit moreshy, and so she didn't explore,
but Hex was very exploratory.
And after about three days, Istarted to worry.
This was back in the days beforesocial media, so I put an ad in
the newspaper and I ran that Ihad every day for a month, but
after about two weeks, peoplestopped asking me if my cat came
(46:13):
back like they were just likeshe's not coming back and I
didn't want to accept that.
So every day for about 30 days,I ran this ad and I realized I
let it lapse and I was like, Iguess I'll just try for one more
week.
And the next day someone calledme and they had found her like
10 miles away.
Pate (46:34):
That's crazy.
jme (46:36):
And She just kind of collapsed in their arms, and
they had, you know, kind of puther up in their shed or
whatever.
Right.
And I saw her and I just, Istarted bawling.
So what we think happened
Pate (46:47):
You cry a lot.
You've been, you've been cryinga lot in this episode.
jme (46:50):
Well, because that's my baby.
I never had a pet like thatbefore.
I had one cat and my mom made meLeave him with her when I moved
out and I missed him so much andso my boyfriend got me the two
cats for Christmas and you know,I just I had never experienced
this before so I was so glad Ihad her back and she was not
(47:15):
very nice to curses when shecame back and the next morning
There was a door in our kitchenthat went to the roof.
It was not really a deck.
It was just a flat roof.
I opened the door, and Hex wason the outside.
And I was like, What the heck?
You just came back?
How did you do that?
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The brother had left the windowopen.
Pate (47:37):
Oh, bloody hell.
jme (47:38):
In his room, and she jumped down onto the eve.
And I was like, you didn't learnanything.
Pate (47:43):
No, they don't.
They don't.
jme (47:45):
So, yeah, she was very exploratory, but after that we
had to be very, very carefulbecause she was really curious.
Right.
And, you know, once a cat goesout, often they get more curious
and they want to keep goingagain.
So it's better not to introducethem to that world.
Yeah.
At all.
Pate (48:05):
Well, unless you have a catio, because they can still
explore outside and, you know,get the things.
Yeah.
And then, right.
Watch the butterflies.
It's great.
If you had like a hummingbirdthing for them to see, for them
to engage.
Right.
But also protect.
Yeah.
Safety wise.
Like my cats are.
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They're indoor only, but they dohave a catio scenario.
And there they have a littlewindow and a, yeah, a ramp that
goes out to like a, yeah.
And a closed ramp.
Mm-hmm They go down to thelittle Cady.
Yeah.
Window ledge.
Like little.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
'cause we have the window ledgeright outside the bathroom.
And then we have a doggy door.
So it goes out the bathroomaround the house, down into like
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a little.
You know, little, what, five byfive?
Like, yeah, like, almost like alarge kennel.
Right.
And, um.
But just enough for them toexplore.
Exactly.
And they're quite happy, um,doing that.
They haven't, they'll beoutside, they'll be outside all
day long if they could.
But we have not lost them,because they've had, they've got
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their outdoor fix, I guess, youknow.
jme (49:14):
Probably the last thing we can talk about, to wrap this up
is, people, they want to do GPScolors or, Apple tags,
Pate (49:24):
air tags,
jme (49:26):
So our first.
bit of advice is don't lose yourdog.
Don't lose your dog.
No, really.
Like if your dog is wandering,putting a GPS color on them
shouldn't make you feel betteryou need to stop them wandering,
right?
Pate (49:38):
Well, not just that, but people can you please stop
thinking it's okay just to letyour dog out the front door to
go piss and shit.
In the neighborhood and thencome back because one day
they're not coming back and it'shappened so many times and I'm
(50:00):
sorry that's so damn lazy ofyou.
Just put your dog on a leash, gooutside and walk it or you know,
if you, that's for the ones whodon't have a yard or maybe they
have a yard and they just wantthem to go out in the front
door.
I don't understand it.
jme (50:15):
Going back to what you said about using the Flexi Leash, the
only application of using theFlexi Leash would be a situation
like that.
Clip the Flexi Leash to yourdog's collar, have it like
tethered to the porch, let themgo out.
then they come back.
Don't walk your dog on flexileashes, please.
Not at all.
But this is a good way if yourdog needs to wander and sniff
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and they take half an hour inthe rain or whatever it is, do
that or have a zip line.
Pate (50:45):
Yeah.
Like in the backyard, have atether, a zip line tether or
whatever.
They don't need to go out yourfront door.
To either be coyote food, orpave, uh, pizza pavement, or
some random person grab your dogand go.
jme (51:02):
The other thing about harnesses we don't like
harnesses for walking, as theonly form of security.
If you have a harness, youshould clip it to the collar
too.
We prefer martingale collarsbecause those kind are really
hard to escape from.
Harnesses are, you can say whatyou want, but they are so easy
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to get out of most of the time.
And before I had Motley's Zoo,we were at an adoption event,
and I was fostering for thisother group.
The family adopted a dog, tookit out in the parking lot, it
pulled out of the harness, raninto the road, and got run over
right in front of me.
Pate (51:38):
Holy crap.
No harnesses.
jme (51:41):
Well, no.
I mean And that happenedactually at one of our events.
One of the fosters thought theywere cute and brought a harness
that was really pretty and thedog got out of it in the parking
lot and almost got hit.
We don't like harnesses.
Pate (51:55):
And that's when we started using the martingales.
jme (51:57):
Exclusively.
And Max and Neo, thank you Maxand Neo, they donate.
To organizations like ours, youcan also purchase Max and Neo
Martingale collars for rescues.
They have a locking feature soyou can lock it so that the
buckle will never come apart.
Pate (52:13):
You do have to put them on appropriately.
Because sometimes people makethem too loose.
jme (52:20):
Oh yeah, it's not like jewelry.
Pate (52:22):
No, yeah.
jme (52:23):
It's like a high.
Up as high up as you can.
Yeah, and and snug.
Pate (52:29):
Yeah, not nuts.
I mean like two fingers, youknow, like
jme (52:33):
the last tip, as this has happened to a few people a few
times, secure your dog whenthey're in the car.
And teach them not to jump outof the car until
Pate (52:43):
seatbelt harnesses,
jme (52:43):
until you allow them to.
Mm-hmm We had a foster who, Idon't know she must have put the
dog in the car herself, and Idon't know how she didn't get
the spiel or it didn't sink inor something, but we're we're
really pretty good about talkingto people about it.
They didn't secure her and shewas a super freaky deaky dog.
And as soon as she got to herhouse, the dog jumped out, she
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couldn't grab the leash in time,and the dog was running down the
highway.
And people were stopping,thankfully, and Dawna and Miley
went and got her.
But it was not easy to catch herbecause she was super freaky
deaky.
I'm rethinking my statementabout how infrequently this has
happened to us.
(53:27):
It's still infrequent comparedto other organizations, but
Pate (53:30):
Well, I mean, it's not that, we haven't had a lot of
lost dogs.
Well, and permanently lost,right?
jme (53:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Pate (53:37):
We've had dogs get loose.
You know, and then because ofthese dogs that get loose, then
we tighten our rules.
Right?
jme (53:49):
Well, we have done like two and a half episodes time with
this episode.
Pate (53:57):
So to wrap it up, what have we learned today about lost
pets?
The minute you lose your pet,you go to threeretrievers.
com.
You read the steps that you needto take to find your lost dog.
You reach out to social media,you get those, yeah, you get
those posters up.
And then.
(54:17):
You just start doing everythingelse on Jim's list because he
has success.
jme (54:23):
And we're going to do its own episode about pet technology
and the GPS stuff.
Just don't rely on them as anoption to keep your pet safe
because it's not going to keepthem from running in the road.
It's not going to keep apredator from hurting them.
not gonna keep them safe.
It's a false sense of security.
You might know where they are.
Pate (54:44):
I mean, it's a good backup plan, okay?
jme (54:46):
It is a good backup plan.
Pate (54:47):
It's not your first, um, what's it?
jme (54:51):
Line of defense.
Pate (54:52):
That one.
Yeah, it's not your first lineof defense.
It's your backup plan.
jme (54:58):
All right, well, we are wrapping this up, and we will
have the link to Jim Branson'ssite and some of the information
that we wrote a blog about itwhen Danny was found.
We will link those things in ourblog.
What's it called?
Transcript.
And, and then you can check outmore information there.
If you want to talk to us, emailus at rescueshit@motleyzoo.org.
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And otherwise, I'm jme.
Pate (55:25):
I'm Pate.
This is our podcast, RescueShit.
Rock on.
jme (55:30):
Rescue on.
Hi, I'm Jamie.
Pate (00:00):
I'm Patti and this is Motley Zoo Animal Rescue
jme (00:03):
and our podcast, Rescue Shit.
Yay.
Oh, that's even better.
Yeah.
Pate (00:10):
Do it again.
jme (00:11):
Okay.
Rescue Shit.
We finally remembered thesqueaker.
I'm impressed.
I'm impressed, Patty, because Ididn't remember.
Pate (00:21):
I got it this time.
jme (00:22):
So today we're going to talk about lost pets.
What happens when you lose apet, some ways to get them back
to you, and what to do if youfind a dog, especially.
Cats are probably going to haveto be trapped.
They don't usually come to you.
But, um, so.
(00:44):
I feel like we're lucky becausethis hasn't happened to us very
often.
I think in the history of MotleyZoo, I only remember three dogs
going missing.
I remember two cats goingmissing, um, which is pretty
great for 16 years.
Yeah.
And I would say almost everyweek we hear about a dog from a
(01:07):
rescue that gets out.
And so, It really seems to bepretty impressive that we're
pretty good about it.
Pate (01:14):
And then she just jinxed us.
jme (01:16):
Fuck, I did.
I know, oh my gosh.
Yeah, I shouldn't even have saidthat.
Pate (01:20):
No, no, no, no.
jme (01:21):
I shouldn't have said that.
Pate (01:22):
Yeah, because the universe is going to be like, hmm, hold
my beer, bitch.
jme (01:26):
Why do I do that?
Pate (01:27):
I don't know.
jme (01:28):
That's the story of my life.
Pate (01:30):
But anyway, if that happens, at least we're
prepared.
jme (01:33):
Yes, we will listen to our own podcast and figure out how
to find them.
Pate (01:37):
Take the steps.
jme (01:39):
So one of the dogs that I end up fostering, I fostered him
after he was found.
His name was Danny and He wentto the foster home, and one of
the mistakes the foster made wasletting him out to meet the
family in the front yard thatisn't fenced.
(02:00):
Thinking back on it now, itprobably seems obvious, you
know, maybe that wasn't a greatidea.
People don't think that in themoment.
Pate (02:08):
No, they're excited, they got this new puppy, um, he's so
cute, um, Yeah, you don't think,oh, this cute puppy is scared,
and the minute I open that door,he's gonna book it.
jme (02:21):
Yeah, and I will say that this foster is now one of our
best fosters.
She's an amazing foster, um, andI'm glad that we got through it
okay.
Um, but one of the things thatwe do tell the fosters is please
don't open the crate untilyou're in the vet office, in the
house.
Um, even in, not in a fencedyard even, because we've had
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dogs go under the porch and youcan't get them out for hours.
They have to sleep outsidesometimes, which is not cool.
Um, but that's because, youknow, people really didn't
listen to what we were saying.
So it's very important not toopen a crate of a dog that's new
to you or cat that's new to you.
Pate (03:03):
Whether you're fostering or adopting.
jme (03:05):
Yes.
Until you are in a safe place.
Yeah.
And that's true, uh, we've haddogs that, um, well, okay, we
had
Pate (03:14):
No, we have.
Remember Jessica.
jme (03:16):
So, it happened to Jessica and, it wasn't Salud.
What was her name?
Pate (03:21):
Who?
jme (03:22):
The white dog that I fostered, and then she got hit
by a car and that was ShanaTova.
Pate (03:30):
Uh, no, but that was a harness.
That wasn't.
She'd had her a while.
jme (03:34):
Oh.
Okay.
Pate (03:36):
That's, yeah, that's why we don't like harnesses.
jme (03:37):
We don't like harnesses.
Okay, so going back, a lot oftimes when people adopt a dog,
they think that because we'vefostered them that, you know,
maybe this They don't think,
Pate (03:50):
still, it's very emotional, right?
jme (03:52):
Yeah.
Pate (03:52):
We're excited.
We're nervous.
This dog's so cute.
I just want to cuddle it andmake it feel better.
And no,
jme (03:59):
no, it's still very likely that they will go running
because they don't know you.
One of the ways that we combatthis is we tell people to keep a
leash on even in the house.
Because sometimes if dogs arescared, they will go hide under
the couch, and then you'retrying to reach for them, and
then they might bite becausethey're so terrified you're
(04:19):
cornering them.
So, having the leash on a newdog is a great idea.
Keep a clean indoor one, slap adirty outdoor one on when they
go into the yard, but betteryet, don't take the leash out of
your hand for quite a while.
Anyway, so one of the dogs thatgot out, Danny, is He was gone
for almost a week, right?
Pate (04:39):
I thought it was over a week.
jme (04:41):
Maybe, but it started
Pate (04:42):
It felt like forever.
jme (04:43):
It did.
It felt like a long time.
And, you know, I went outlooking for him in the area that
we saw him.
We set up a trap becausesomebody said they saw him.
Somebody stole the trap.
Pate (04:53):
Oh my god, and they put it in front of the grocery store.
Remember that?
jme (04:56):
I was so mad.
But it's funny because I wrotesomething on Facebook that was
like there's a special place foryou that interfere with our, you
know, catching our animals and,you know, everybody thought you
wrote it.
But it was me.
They've never heard me speak sofirmly.
Anyway, so we get a call one dayand somebody said, this dog is
(05:20):
in my backyard.
And I'm like, great.
Close the gate.
I will be there in, you know, 15minutes.
I went over there and he wasclearly tired.
He was terrified.
Yep.
And he was kind of tangled up inthe ivy, so I think that's
actually what stopped him fromrunning, is that he got tangled
up, and then he got tired tryingto escape.
Pate (05:41):
Well, and he was in a backyard this time, so that they
could shut the door.
jme (05:45):
Yes, and I carefully, slowly went over to him, reached
out.
Put the leash on first thing
Pate (05:54):
slip lead.
jme (05:55):
Yep, and then tried to extricate him from the ivy and
He just kind of fell into myarms and the family that had
found him.
It was actually the little fiveyear old Yeah.
He had seen the posters.
Pate (06:10):
See, the posters work.
They say the first thing thatyou do, get those big, bright
posters with the picture.
jme (06:17):
Yes.
He had seen the posters and hesaid, Mom, I saw this dog is
missing.
There is a poster.
And he showed her where to findthe poster.
And so we, we praised him and wetold him what a good job he did.
I even sent him a little carepackage with some t shirts for
him and his brother.
But they did ask me if theycould pet him.
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And while he was okay with metouching him, I didn't want to
take the risk.
And I told him, no, I'm sorry,you know, I don't know how he'll
react.
And I, I understand why you wantto touch him, but I don't think
we should do that.
And the mom was like, okay,totally understand.
And I still feel bad that Ididn't, but,
Pate (06:57):
But, I mean, this is Dani.
Dani's like a little nervousguy, and you really, and kids
are different than, than adults,for sure, their energy level,
everything like that.
I mean, we could have the mostsocial dog who's great with
adults.
Like there's no such thing as astranger.
And then you have a kid enterthe room and they're like, what
is that?
jme (07:16):
Yeah.
You know, some dogs just really,yeah, don't like children.
And so, so I didn't let them pethim.
I took him home and he was Kindof crazy.
He was bouncing off the wallsand I mean he was, and that's
not the kind of dog I usuallyfoster.
Pate (07:34):
No, no.
jme (07:36):
But eventually he got adopted and he started coming to
our daycare.
He would lose his mind when hesaw me and everything he learned
in training would go out thewindow and I even boarded him
once and I told her I feel likeI'm ruining his training because
(07:56):
I can't manage him because hejust loses his mind that he
remembers that I'm the one thatpicked him up and saved him.
And it's just brings out allthese crazy emotions in him that
he can't control.
So I told her, I don't think Ican board him anymore.
Right.
Um, but so this was a goodstory.
It ended up good.
(08:16):
Uh, and, you know, Like, it, itdoesn't have to be a new foster
or a new adopter to make amistake or for this to happen.
Even one time when Bryan and Iwere fostering, and this was
when we first started MotleyZoo, and we were actually
watching the dog of a newfoster.
(08:38):
He got out the door and ran.
Ran down the driveway, on thebusy road, up the next driveway.
Pate (08:46):
See ya bitches, I'm out.
jme (08:48):
And Bryan and I were like, we lost a foster, foster's dog!
And I had to tell her that, Wewere looking for him.
Thankfully, he was just hidingin the bushes at the next door
neighbor's house, and we broughtour little dog out to kind of
try and draw him out or to sniffhim out, and that's actually how
we found him.
Jetty ended up sniffing him out.
(09:09):
But, you know, that's me, andI've had a lot of different
dogs.
And I was really careful, andBrian was really careful.
So, it can happen to anybody,and that's what you have to
remember.
The important part is to beprepared, and to try and prevent
it with all these differentthings.
I've really been rambling, sowhy don't you talk about some of
(09:31):
the ways to prevent this in thefirst place.
Pate (09:34):
Like jme said, when you get a new dog in the home, you
use a drag leash.
A drag leash is basically youlet them drag it around and if a
dog is nervous the very firstfew days, you know, We did a
podcast on three three three sothe first three days are They're
gonna be touch and go some somedogs, right?
(09:55):
Some dogs are like super likehey, how you doing?
I mean social butterflies themajority of dogs It's not so
much like, I don't know you, Idon't know what's going on.
So you have that drag leash,especially with the adult dogs,
right?
Not with the puppies.
jme (10:07):
Yeah, puppies will eat it.
So that's, that's another thingis a puppy probably is going to
follow you.
And you know, some dogs willchew those leashes.
So on occasion you may need toget a cable leash or a
lightweight chain leash.
To work on these things.
Pate (10:22):
Yeah, so the drag leash is one of the first things.
If you know that your dog's adoor dasher, you can set up,
baby gates so that they can'tget to the door or, the exercise
pens, the play pens that you canjust blockade the door with.
jme (10:39):
I think to hang.
a leash next to the door andmake sure that that leash is on
your dog before you open it.
Maybe even put a sign on yourdoor that says, Taking care of
the dog or hang on an extrasecond because I have to secure
the dog, right?
This people will wait like yeahAnd if there's a little sign
(11:00):
that says, you know, I have adog inside right?
I need to prepare them
Pate (11:03):
I mean obviously training is going to Help one of the
things that we teach our puppiesis what we call threshold
training So any type ofthreshold a doorway?
they will stop at that doorway.
And if you do it consistently,repetitively, repetition is the
key to sink into their brain.
(11:24):
They will stop at that door andsit and wait.
jme (11:27):
Well, and it's important, I think to also teach them to sit
and wait on the other side ofthat threshold.
Otherwise, you're going out thedoor and they think the minute
they're outside, they can runoff and they yank your arm out
of its socket while you'retrying to lock the door.
Pate (11:42):
Yeah.
Um, and we've seen, we've seenthose ring videos.
That girl, she turns around tolike, and then she just like.
She gets pulled.
I mean, literally like, like amovie pulled that quickly and
because her dog saw somethingand he, he booked it with her
attached to him, which is great.
Yeah.
And then there's that other onethat you see where a guy's on
(12:04):
the phone and he's walking outand he's on the phone and then
his little like Frenchie barrelsout of the door behind him and
then like a car goes over theFrenchie.
Like, thank God he got missed.
jme (12:19):
Do you know that actually happened to Jetty?
My fence had alternating slatson the front, on the inside, on
the front, on the inside, andthere was just enough gap that
he ran through.
We did not know this, of course,until he ran through.
And, he ran straight into a car,coming, and the car went over
him.
(12:39):
And I just about lost my shit.
I fell in the road and I waslike sobbing and I had like
crawled to him and I mean, I wasjust, yeah, and then he had to
have a tether.
So we had to have one of thoselittle stakes and he would just
run around in circles.
And he was kind of neuroticanyways, so, imagine having like
a little five pound dog on atether, but it was because he
(13:02):
could run right through thefence.
Pate (13:03):
Yeah, but, um, yeah, and, and that happens.
I mean, that's what happenedwhen Maria Maria was one of our,
dogs who, Was she had herpuppies?
We got her with her puppy.
She was already nursing herpuppies, and she was a little
nervous and I had her in myhouse and She got over her
(13:26):
nervousness at my house and thepuppies were older And they had
started going off to theirfoster to adopts and she was
starting to come out of hershell, had some training, all
that fun stuff.
So it was time for her to go toanother foster.
And, um, yeah, and then thefoster has
jme (13:49):
Who was experienced.
Pate (13:50):
Yes, and she has two small dogs who never left her yard.
One of the foster's dogs issmaller than Maria Maria.
And But Maria found a spot inthat fence and was just like see
you bitches and the husband is Ithink he's a marathon runner.
(14:11):
I know he's a runner So and hechased her and then that is not
what you're supposed to
jme (14:17):
No But it's the first thing you're gonna think about
Pate (14:19):
exactly right, but I mean and then'cause she was booking
it So, I mean he obviously hadto chase her to an extent just
so that he could keep her Insight, but he eventually lost
her.
jme (14:30):
I will say that I was boarding a dog and he did the
same, he pushed out the door andran down the driveway straight
to the busy road.
And.
I was like, Oh my God, he'sgoing to run out in the road and
I was like crying, but Iremembered one of the tricks
that you can do is stop and runthe other direction and call to
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them and then they're like, Hey,what are we chasing?
And so I'm like, Bosley, Bosley,I'm like, let's go.
Let's go play.
And I started running the otherway.
And he stopped and looked at meand then ran right towards me.
Right.
And I cried all the way into thehouse.
Pate (15:11):
But yeah, and that works if you know the dog.
jme (15:14):
Yes.
If the dog is not shy and scared
Pate (15:17):
and knows you, whereas like Maria, Maria, that was her
very first morning with them.
Spent the night and then thenext morning.
She's gone.
jme (15:28):
So they should not have let her off the leash in the yard.
That is how that could have beenprevented.
Right.
Because they will find the holein the fence.
Yeah, like flies to shit.
They will just target on it andthey will be gone.
You think that they won't findit, but they will.
Especially a scared dog that'sscared.
Right.
(15:48):
And they're like, walking theperimeter because they're like,
I don't know this yard.
I'm all scared.
I'm by myself.
Even if they're not bythemselves, they panic and they
will find it.
So,
Pate (15:57):
oh my God, where am I?
Who are you?
I'm going to go back to what Iknow.
jme (16:01):
So don't let a new dog off the leash in the yard.
This is also a trick to helpwith potty training too.
If you take them on the leash tothe same spot where they potty,
then it will become robotic forthem and they won't.
I'm going to explore and not goto the bathroom.
I'm going to go behind a bushand pretend I'm going to the
bathroom, but I'm really not.
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These are all things.
I say the leash is a 5 tool thatsolves a world of problems and
doesn't let them start.
Pate (16:31):
Yeah, exactly.
You know, I mean, we always saywhen you first have a dog, You
are very strict with them andthere's no trust built up them,
but they have to earn thattrust.
And when they earn that trust,they get a little more freedom.
Kind of like what jme wassaying.
You don't let them have free runof the house because they don't
know where the bathroom is.
They don't know what door is thebathroom.
(16:53):
And I mean, we can go into astrange house and be like, Hey,
where's the bathroom?
You know, they cannot.
So the leash is kind of your,Well, I don't know, like the
language, the dog language forthem to go to the bathroom
outside.
Here's how we go outside.
Here's the door where we gooutside.
jme (17:12):
Well, and it lets them explore in a controlled manner.
You know, they can sniff, butthey can only go so far and they
have to look back to you, andthey rely on you.
So yeah, it's really important.
Pate (17:24):
And then this is the only time that I ever use.
Those retractable leashes.
jme (17:33):
Oh yeah.
Pate (17:34):
When you get a brand new dog.
I shouldn't say a brand new dog,but, a scared or shy dog.
Sometimes they won't go to thebathroom when they're right next
to you, because you're just verytall and overwhelming, and they
may need a little more spacefrom you, but you don't want
them to run amok.
Because have fun chasing them inyour backyard.
We've had fun chasing some notchasing dogs, but trying to get
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them in the boarding kennel.
Um,
jme (17:58):
Sometimes we have five people and this is a dog that's
been in someone's house for Everand they're just like I don't
know you i'm not going back inmy kennel And it's not
Pate (18:08):
even with her brother there.
jme (18:09):
Yeah, it's not great when that happens.
That is
Pate (18:11):
that took four hours
jme (18:12):
That is a frustration of mine.
Pate (18:13):
Yeah, so yeah, we've learned from that.
And so we have a smaller yardfor the new dogs to acclimate.
jme (18:20):
New to us dogs that we don't know how they're going to
behave.
Right.
In the yard.
Pate (18:24):
Yeah.
And then we learn and if they'regreat and they're super social,
then we'll put them in the bigyard.
So the same thing applies with,the dogs, if they're shy in your
house or whatever.
Just so you don't lose them, butsay that they do get out like
Maria Maria did.
And, um, the first thing thatyou do is you, you make the
(18:45):
signs, right?
Those big, bright, obnoxioussigns.
The best ones are the ones thatyou put in the ground.
jme (18:53):
Oh, the corrugated plastic with the, metal stakes.
Pate (18:56):
Yep.
With a big picture of the dogand your phone number lost.
because everyone likes beingrewarded.
Your phone number and do notchase, just call us.
And, I always recommend when weget people saying, Hey, I lost
my dog or whatever.
The first steps are to look atThree Retrievers and that is an
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organization led by Jim Bransonwho has scent dogs and he, looks
for dogs and cats.
He has a dog specifically tofind dogs and he has a dog
specifically to find cats.
And his website has step by stepinstructions of what to do when
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you lose a dog.
And when you find them, like,most people are going to call
their dog.
They're going to be like, hey,Buffy.
Yeah, don't do that.
You don't want to call them.
Right now they're in aninstinctual mode.
They got out.
They're nervous.
They're scared.
They're running for their livesuntil they calm down, right?
When they're running, that's aninstinctual mode.
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It's not cognitive.
They're not going to recognizetheir name.
They're just going to hear amonster, you know, monster
chasing them, you know, likethe, the voice or whatever.
So they will not come to thename more often than not.
So that's one of the things thatthey tell you not to do, is call
your dog and you want to makethose posters, get them
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everywhere within a five mileradius.
If we had not done those signs,we never would have found Danny.
No, it was a five year old kidin the back of the car looking
at these, like, big ol signs andhe couldn't read them.
But he was like, I saw that dogbecause it was a big ol sign
that was obnoxiously bright witha big ol picture of Danny.
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And another way is word of mouthas well.
So you've got Nextdoor,PawBoost, Facebook.
You've got, you know, like LostPets Facebook groups.
jme (20:57):
Yeah, like we have one called Lost Dogs of King County.
Pate (21:00):
And Lost Dogs of Snohomish.
Actually, there's two of them.
Mm hmm.
And I don't, I don't know whythere's two.
jme (21:05):
Once they're out of your sight and you know, you need to
make these posts, have someoneelse do it if you're still going
to go looking for them orwhatever,
Pate (21:12):
and ring ring.
jme (21:14):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
We found that these are some ofthe fastest ways to become
reunited with your pets is theseguys.
What are they called?
Social media, I guess, socialmedia apps.
And so it's really importantthat you try all the things
right.
And maybe you'll get a sighting.
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Then you move some of your signsto closer to that sighting.
Pate (21:38):
Because some dogs and some cats.
I mean, cats.
I mean, they're not coming toyou.
Just forget it.
I mean, have fun with that.
Okay, maybe, I shouldn't saythey're not coming to you ever.
Some cat may randomly come up toyou.
But, More often than not, youhave to trap.
Yeah.
And that's another thing in thatwhen you trap an animal, you
leave a trap out.
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It's really, really important tomonitor that trap.
You have to monitor and keepeyes on that trap and especially
cats because cats in a trap canfreak out and actually, you
know, cause harm to themselves.
jme (22:15):
The other thing too is that People think cats must be long
gone, but they're so oftenactually right close to you and
they're hiding somewhere.
So look really carefully in youryard and your neighbor's yard.
And you have to tell yourneighbors that you lost your cat
and what it looks like becauseyour cats often live inside.
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And so your neighbors may noteven know that you have a cat.
That happens a lot.
So, I totally forgot what I wassaying.
So, let's talk about when Jimwent and took his, dogs to find
Maria Maria.
Pate (22:52):
Oh, he did not find her.
But he was able to find hertrail, and we found out that she
was being chased by coyotes,which was, you know, even more
nerve wracking, because she's alittle chihuahua mix, so.
jme (23:09):
How did he know that?
Pate (23:10):
The scat.
And then they could smell,
jme (23:13):
her trail mm-hmm And the coyotes.
Pate (23:14):
Yep.
Yep.
And then the thing is, is likeJim said, there's a lot of
wildlife, there's a lot ofrabbits.
Most likely, you know, theyweren't looking for a meal.
They were.
You know, drawn to, hey, what'sthis?
But that's not always the case,as we know.
because coyotes do prey on, ourpets that are out and about.
jme (23:37):
They're right on the leash.
They'll take a dog off a leash.
Pate (23:40):
Yeah.
So I just want to say, like, ifyou have an air horn You should
walk around with an air hornbecause that will stop a coyote
because those things are loudand obnoxious.
They also stop aggressive dogson the loose.
Cause if you see a dog runningat you and you have that air
horn and you blast it at themmore often than not, they're
going to be like, well, andthen.
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Book it because, you know,
jme (24:03):
how far away was Maria when she was found, Danny was about
three miles.
Yeah, exactly.
Four or five miles.
Pate (24:11):
Yeah, exactly.
There were sightings of her,which was great.
But by the time we got to thatsighting, she'd already left.
And so Gary and I were onMonroe.
She was in Tampa.
We would drive.
We drove multiple times anytimethere was a sighting.
jme (24:27):
Tampa.
Pate (24:27):
And.
Did I say to Tacoma?
jme (24:32):
Is this a Florida story or a local story?
Pate (24:36):
Tacoma?
I do that a lot.
Anyway, um, I'm from Florida.
I'm not from Florida, but I livethere for a long time.
Anyway.
So yeah, so we would drive fromMonroe to Tampa to Tacoma to
Tacoma.
To try to find her,
jme (24:51):
which is like two hours.
Pate (24:53):
Yeah.
And then she was, she was noteven there.
And then we go home and thenthere's another sighting, but
she's a mile away.
And I'm like, right.
So we're not even in the rightspot, but, we had brought our
dogs hoping that that wouldentice her to come out.
It didn't.
She eventually got foundbecause.
She was on someone's porch likekind of like Danny how they kind
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of got cornered or whateverFortunately, the guy brought her
in and guess what social media?
Boom, you're like, hey, we foundthis dog and I'm like
jme (25:26):
Well, and he didn't even have to go to the vet and scan
the microchip anything like thatCuz we've made it a big deal.
How long was she gone for?
Pate (25:34):
Like Danny I think it was like over a week
jme (25:36):
And After three days, you start to lose some hope because
you know, what's out there, youknow, there's so many coyotes,
there's highways, there's roads.
Pate (25:44):
Oh yeah, she crossed the busy road.
But yeah, we fortunately foundher.
Thank you.
And she's been adopted.
So Jim Branson.
Has his scent dogs and, Gary isactually our lead trainer, my
husband, is actually taking ourdogs, Liam and Rob.
are doing scent work, and theygo out and find, they're more
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dog than cat.
Mm hmm.
Guess Jim said that you pick oneor the other.
Instead of both.
So, Hopefully, you know, Garywill be able to help with that
because Jim is in such highdemand That it's crazy.
Yeah, it can take some days, youknow, and by then you're like,
yeah, what's happening withinthat time frame?
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Where are they the scent gets alittle bit older if it rains.
I mean geez
jme (26:33):
well and how much does this cost approximately to have?
Pate (26:37):
I don't know, is it like 300?
jme (26:39):
I want to say it's 300 Yeah, that's what I recall and
obviously we'll pay anything toget our animals back, but he is
in high demand.
Pate (26:47):
Yeah.
And he knows what he's doing.
I mean, he's been doing this fora while, and that's why I said,
when you lose a dog, get onthat, I mean, before you even
lose a dog, when you have a pet,you should go to three
retrievers and know what to do.
Be prepared.
What to do if your dog ever gotout, you know, and got lost or
cat.
jme (27:08):
Yeah.
So what happens when you find adog?
Why don't you tell them aboutJason?
Pate (27:13):
Yeah.
jme (27:14):
He was a difficult dog to get.
Pate (27:16):
Yeah.
So Jason was on the side of ahighway I got called about him
and,
jme (27:24):
someone who knew you.
Pate (27:26):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
So She called me and said thatthere was a German shepherd mix
on the side of the highway thathe was scared.
People were there.
Not knowing what to do, hewouldn't come to them and that,
you know, he's growling andsnapping and lunging.
And then I was like, well, havethe people leave him from the
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hell alone and let him chillout, you know?
And I understand why they weretrying so hard because he was on
a busy highway.
They didn't want him to get inthe highway.
And then, you know, people areconfrontational whether they
realize it or not, they're notgiving calming signals.
So Jim talks about calmingsignals on his webpage one of
the things that you don't wantto do, even, even like friends,
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dogs, new dogs that you nevermet, you never want to face
them.
Face them face on, right?
You don't want to look them inthe eye.
You're challenging them.
You don't want to hover overthem, stand over them.
So I could hear Jason in thebackground barking, and it was
a, you know, like a stay awayfrom me bark or whatever.
And I could hear this guy givingdirections
jme (28:32):
to like, to encircle him.
Pate (28:34):
Yes.
And I'm like, and I told Brenda,I'm like, tell him to back off.
They mean well, but they arefreaking him out.
That is what that barking is, isJason was telling them,
jme (28:45):
I'm freaking out.
Stay away.
Pate (28:46):
Leave me alone.
He was giving them all thecommunication and, they just
weren't not listening.
And I drove down there and loand behold, it's not a German
shepherd.
It's an Akita.
And I'm like, Oh, I'm like,okay, people back the fuck off
because seriously, this is nothow you approach an Akita.
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Right.
And fortunately someone wasthere that.
had their lunch and they hadgreasy fried chicken.
And, that is like a great way towin a dog over.
He was up in the Blackberry.
Bushes and I'm like great.
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So I got stabbed quite a fewtimes While I went up there to
him, but when I went up there tohim, I didn't look him in the
eye I did a lot of yawns and eyeaversion where I just like
glance at him out of the side ofmy eye I approached him sideways
I sat on that hill and Withthese stupid blackberries poking
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me, but I sat below him, youknow, and then I inched up so
that we were kind of side byside.
And then, I threw someone'sfried chicken, I threw, bits and
pieces of it to him, once he'dcalmed down and was ignoring me,
not panting so hard.
And not threatened by me andlike we sat there for a few
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Brenda had told the people, youknow, like we got this you can
leave The lady who was eatingthe fried chicken stayed because
she was I guess curious to seewhat would happen
jme (30:22):
she wanted her lunch.
Pate (30:23):
She no, no, she was done cuz she'd eaten So gross, I
don't like to feel meat.
jme (30:32):
No, but this is a good trick because just stop by any
gas station and grab the greasychicken things and then that's
probably one of the best thingsthat it will attract.
Pate (30:43):
Cause it's so smelly.
Yeah.
And it's greasy.
I don't know why but thatgrease, like, smell is a little
bit more pungent.
Yeah.
And that's a great way to teachrecall, by the way.
If you're hiking, um, everycar's horn sounds a little bit
different.
Um, so if you have KentuckyFried Chicken or whatever, And
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you train your dogs to comeback, and then they run to the
car after you honk.
Obviously don't start it out inthe woods, but, uh, when they
start, and then when they get inthe car, when they recall from
the honk, you give them friedchicken.
And that's the only time youever give them fried chicken.
jme (31:24):
Yeah, you do have to make it special.
You can't give it to them allthe time.
Pate (31:28):
So they know when they go in the car with that honk,
they're getting fried chicken.
jme (31:32):
Well, and you told me it took about two hours to get
Jason.
And clearly most people are notgonna have the patience for
that.
And most people would give up.
Besides sitting kind of withyour back to him or kind of
sideways?
Pate (31:46):
Yeah, it started with the back and then I scooted up a
little bit more and thensideways.
jme (31:50):
And then laying down can help because they're like, why
are you laying down?
Pate (31:53):
Yeah, are you hurt?
jme (31:54):
It's scary with a dog that you don't know, but often laying
down they're just like, Huh,maybe I'll go see what's going
on.
Pate (32:02):
Right, and if you're looking at a dog, like don't try
it with an Akita.
But, you know, like sometimesLittle dogs.
are lost, right?
And if you lay down, I mean, ifyou stumble and fall and lay
down, they'll be like, oh, whatjust happened?
But yeah, with big dogs, youreally don't want to lay down.
But yeah, bribery works reallywell.
With Jason, the chicken workedand first I tossed it to him and
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then let him eat out of my hand.
Obviously not right away.
And then after he was eating outof my hand, then we introduce a
slip lead.
And then once we got the sliplead, I mean, he obviously
backed up and was like, Oh hellno.
And I was like, Oh no, here, Ihave some more chicken.
He's like, okay.
And then when we got down to thecar,
jme (32:49):
well, but you end up kind of feeding them, holding up the
leash in a big loop and feedingthem through the hole.
Pate (32:57):
Yeah.
Multiple times.
jme (32:59):
So that there, yeah.
Don't try to catch them on thefirst one.
Feed them through the loop.
It's like muzzle training.
And then, then you will lassothem.
Pate (33:09):
Right, yeah.
Like first you just have theslip lead in your hand with the
chicken.
And then, and then he's like, ohlook at that leash with the
chicken, you know.
And then you can get your otherhand in up.
So it's a process, it's notlike.
You know, let's just go
jme (33:27):
and if you go too fast, then they're gonna know what
you're gonna do Mm hmm, andyou're more likely to lose then
Pate (33:33):
you get that one chance.
jme (33:35):
Yeah, you know, so build that trust first So before I did
Motley Zoo, there was a littledog that went to a new foster
and same thing.
They just, she ran out the dooror they just had her in the
front yard or something.
And, she was gone for a month.
Pate (33:51):
You know what?
Dog on Seattle has had a dogmissing since November and they
just had a sighting.
jme (33:58):
Wow.
Yeah.
So there were sightings.
I went looking every day.
But, you know, after a fewweeks, you're like, okay, I
guess this dog is gone.
And she was found almost tenmiles away, maybe not quite.
Pate (34:11):
Wow.
jme (34:12):
Across highways, still dragging the leash.
Pate (34:15):
What?
jme (34:16):
Yeah, and the reason she was found is because the leash
got caught between the boards ofsomeone's deck.
And so she was stuck.
And they could not approach her.
But they were able to I don'tknow if they took a picture and
blew it up of the tag so theycould figure out where she was
from and they called the numberand, I went to the place.
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It took me half an hour, youknow, of sitting down, feeding
treats, slowly moving across thedeck towards her and, you know,
by that time then she was like,okay, she trusted me and I
thought, oh, how am I going toget her in the car?
She jumped right in the car.
She was like, oh, yeah.
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But they were like, wow, likethat was a process and I was
like, yeah, it is a process.
And you can't,
Pate (35:05):
especially if you're the stranger, not the parent.
jme (35:07):
Yeah, and you can't be too hasty about it.
So not a lot of people are gonnaspend two hours, you know doing
that.
I will admit I would get alittle tired and frustrated.
Two hours.
Yeah, and yeah.
Pate (35:21):
Yeah.
I mean, I can't believe that onelady stayed and watched me sit.
jme (35:26):
Sometimes people get invested.
Yeah.
They want to see how it turnsout, but yeah, not many people
have two hours to just sit andwatch.
Pate (35:33):
Yeah, I know.
And there's other things I didin between that time, you know,
to show that I wasn't a threat.
I talk a lot, I might sing.
I sing a lot, not, I mean, andit's great, for the dogs because
they don't judge me, because I'msure I'm flat a lot.
jme (35:51):
Well, and why does yawning work?
Why don't you explain that?
Pate (35:55):
Yawning?
It's actually dog language.
So, that is what another dog isgoing to do for another dog.
Sometimes, well, and the thingis sometimes they're stress
yawning, right?
Jason was stress yawning at me.
But I wasn't stress yawning athim.
jme (36:11):
And they often go, it was make that like, you know, noise.
Pate (36:17):
It's a really, yeah.
And then at the end, and thenthey like str their stress yawns
are so, like, it's really wide.
Mm-hmm They're like, oh my god.
jme (36:25):
Lip licking is also also another sign of stress.
Pate (36:27):
Yep.
And, uh, but yeah, but if youjust yawn a little bit.
I'm gonna yaw.
What are you talking about witha yawn Um, not a halfway yawn
but definitely not a full mouthyawn.
Yeah.
Because that's more of astressed yawn.
Right?
And that just signals to themthat there's really nothing to
really be worried about.
I mean, it's just, it's a chillday.
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It's, it's okay.
Let's take a nap.
It's basic dog language.
So you were talking to them intheir language when you do the
yawning, when you do theaversion.
If you see dogs greet each otherappropriately, it's not face to
face.
jme (37:03):
Nose to nose.
Pate (37:04):
Yeah, it's definitely not nose to nose.
It could be, I mean, I wasn'tlike going towards his ass, but
you'll see sometimes they gosideways, right?
And then that's what you want todo with them.
jme (37:14):
Or they do the butt sniffing around.
Pate (37:17):
Yeah.
Which, you know,
jme (37:18):
we're not going to do that.
Pate (37:19):
No, but we'll do the sideways approach.
And when you get on their leveland you'll see like a dog.
If they're wanting to instigateplay and they're showing they're
not a threat or whatever, you'llsee the play bow where they get
lower than the other dog.
They're like, hey,
jme (37:35):
which is different than cowering and whale eye, which is
like when their eyes are, youcan see the whites of their
eyes, or they're really stiff.
Yep.
And their mouth is closed andtheir squinty.
Well, and for Jason, that's howhe looks like all the time.
I mean, as an Akita, he justlooks like he's like, staring
you down and, and gonna kill youwith his eyes.
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So
Pate (37:58):
it's a teddy bear.
jme (37:59):
He's a big teddy bear.
And, it took a little while forus to know him and trust him.
Pate (38:05):
Well, it took strangers and took a while for him to
trust anyone.
I mean, I was the only one.
In his trust circle because Igot him off the highway, but you
know, no one else could touchhim.
jme (38:19):
And I will say too, this was when we were so full and we
really couldn't take another dogin we tried to go through the
normal channels of animalcontrol.
Right.
And they were pretty much likehe's probably going to get
euthanized if he comes here.
Pate (38:34):
Yeah, because he's an Akita and he's not going to do
well and they don't have theexperience or the, capacity to,
you know, to work with a doglike that.
They'll consider him achallenging breed and he'll
probably bite someone because,you know, they've got the
volunteers, that don't have theexperience to read a dog.
jme (38:58):
No, and if you get 72 hours to gauge a dog's behavior before
they're euthanized, like, that'snot gonna work.
Pate (39:04):
I don't think they give them that long.
I mean, I don't, I mean, I don'tthink, think they give them that
short, do they?
jme (39:08):
72 hours is the stray hold.
Pate (39:10):
Oh, stray hold, yeah.
Well, okay.
In Washington.
He didn't even go to the strayhold.
jme (39:14):
Well, what they did was they let us do the 72 hour stray
hold.
On our property, which isn'tnormal, that doesn't usually
happen, and we were trying toreunite him with his family, and
it turned out they didn't wanthim.
Pate (39:27):
Oh, that was sketch.
jme (39:30):
Yeah, it was really weird.
So, We were like, okay, fine.
Now we're committed to this dogand you know, so we committed to
training him and now he's sowell behaved that when adopters
come, they realize that theirdog's a big mess and they want
to trade us a Jason for theirdog.
Pate (39:46):
Well, cause Jason's well behaved or whatever.
And then they realize that theirdog may.
May not approach the way thatJason has been taught to
approach and that yeah
jme (39:59):
That they're gonna cause the problem.
Well, and you know, Jason reallylikes the ladies So it's either
someone with no other Akita'ssomeone with a female Akita or a
female dog Yeah, yeah, or
Pate (40:12):
because his best friend right now is that his two best
friends are because he doesbetter with the ladies is a
husky mix and then this littletoy dog, you know, from Hawaii,
toy dog terrier mix and she's
jme (40:29):
30 pounds.
Pate (40:32):
Yeah, 35 or something like that, but she's all muscle.
But yeah, they're best friends.
So he's really good with thosegirls.
So he can be in a home withanother dog Preferably a female.
jme (40:42):
Well, we know we've had him for two years, which is not Any
kind of reflection of himeither.
Pate (40:48):
No, not at all.
jme (40:49):
It's that we're not going to put him in a home that isn't
exactly right for him.
Pate (40:53):
Or capable of handling that breed.
jme (40:54):
Yeah, and we're not going to give him to a first time dog
person.
That's not a good idea.
He's not a first time dog dog.
No.
And so.
Pate (41:02):
Just because he has a strong personality, right?
jme (41:04):
Well, I mean, Akitas are aloof, independent.
These are some qualities.
That's why they make good guarddogs.
That's what they've been bred todo.
Pate (41:11):
Well, American Akitas.
Yeah.
The Japanese Akitas aren't as.
jme (41:18):
They're still pretty fiercely loyal.
Pate (41:20):
They're fiercely loyal, but they're not, I don't want to
say aggressive because I hateusing that word, but the
American Akitas.
They're a harder dog than theJapanese Akita's because the
Japanese Akita's they'resweeter, right?
Have, have we heard about Hachi?
Y'all should look into Hachi,but I mean, Japanese Akita's
are, Sweet dogs normally,
jme (41:42):
well, and we had Astro at daycare, who was like the
biggest, he was so not an Akita,Akita,
Pate (41:50):
he's a Japanese Akita.
Yeah.
jme (41:51):
Yeah.
But then Haley, his new youngersister, very different.
Pate (41:57):
Yeah.
jme (41:57):
And she would get standoffish and barky at us in
the same day.
Even when she knew us,
Pate (42:03):
50 first dates.
jme (42:04):
Yeah, if you took her off leash, you would have trouble
getting her back on leash, evenin the daycare room.
So.
Pate (42:11):
Anyway, that was a total digression.
jme (42:13):
Yeah.
Okay, so what about finding acat?
If you find one on your porch orsomething like that if we're not
trapping it, what would, whatwould you try and do?
Pate (42:22):
If we're not trapping it, get it in the house.
jme (42:24):
Lead it in the house with some food?
Pate (42:25):
Yeah, I was going to say, is this cat approachable or not?
Yeah.
Cause if it's not approachable,most likely you're going to have
to trap it.
If it is approachable, a lot offamily pet cats that are out and
about some may act feral, butsome may be like, Oh my God,
it's so cold and I'm so hungry.
Can I please come inside?
jme (42:47):
This is why cats have like three families sometimes.
Outdoor cats.
Pate (42:51):
And then that way it's easy.
Just put them in your bathroom.
Figure out what the scenario is.
Go look on social media.
Cause you know, those lost dogs,lost cats, whatever.
It's not just loss.
It's like, Hey, I foundsomebody, you know, we've had to
do that a few times.
And we've fortunately been ableto find the owners or the owners
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have found us.
Because of our post that wefound their dog.
jme (43:14):
I know one of the times the reason the cat got away from us
was the crate fell apart
Pate (43:22):
Yeah, it was yeah because yeah that did happen to us
jme (43:25):
so when you're carrying a new cat especially a new cat
It's better to you know Carrythe crate and then cradle it
with your other arm underneathso that the crate doesn't fall
apart.
Yeah.
Or put some zip ties through thelittle holes before you do
transports or, you know, take itoutta there.
Pate (43:45):
No, it, it is best just to light football it.
Mm-hmm
jme (43:49):
But don't crush it.
'cause then it can, the door canpop off or whatever, but that is
how one of the, the cats gotaway and we never did find
Pate (43:55):
two.
jme (43:56):
Yep.
So and
Pate (43:57):
we found one.
jme (43:58):
We found one and we didn't find the other.
I remember too, there wasanother story with one of our
fosters and the kitten was likeeight weeks old and they had it
in the yard with them and theyturned around and it was gone.
Yeah, and they didn't tell usthat the cat went missing.
Yeah, and they looked for it andafter three days They told us
(44:20):
the foster cat was missing andthat was a kitten an eight week
old kitten in their yard So likeyou just can't trust that and
especially if you're fosteringfor an organization, don't do
that Just don't take themoutside.
Yeah, and then one of the othercats Did she push the screen
out?
She was a mom cat and she hadkittens.
Pate (44:39):
She pushed the screen out.
jme (44:40):
She pushed the screen out and went out.
But didn't she do it twice?
Because they didn't fix theproblem in the first place.
Pate (44:45):
No, no, no.
So the first time she got outdoing the screen, and
fortunately, she had kittens.
So they were able to play therecording of the kittens, like
really loud.
Kittens in distress, right?
And then the mom comes barrelingback in.
And then after they fixed thatscreen in the window, It was
(45:09):
summer.
So it was kind of toasty, right?
And, so they left the door open.
Like their sliding glass dooropen.
And she got out.
jme (45:20):
And we found her again.
And then we took the and then wetook them away.
Because they're
Pate (45:24):
like, dude, not the third time is not the charm.
In this case, she's going to begone.
jme (45:29):
Yeah.
So when I was younger, my firstcat, so I was probably 20 years
old.
They were indoor cats, and myboyfriend at the time, his
brother, was moving out, and Ididn't know this.
It was very sudden.
He left the door open, and mycat, Hex, got out.
And I was crying, I was so mad.
(45:50):
Curses was a little bit moreshy, and so she didn't explore,
but Hex was very exploratory.
And after about three days, Istarted to worry.
This was back in the days beforesocial media, so I put an ad in
the newspaper and I ran that Ihad every day for a month, but
after about two weeks, peoplestopped asking me if my cat came
(46:13):
back like they were just likeshe's not coming back and I
didn't want to accept that.
So every day for about 30 days,I ran this ad and I realized I
let it lapse and I was like, Iguess I'll just try for one more
week.
And the next day someone calledme and they had found her like
10 miles away.
Pate (46:34):
That's crazy.
jme (46:36):
And She just kind of collapsed in their arms, and
they had, you know, kind of puther up in their shed or
whatever.
Right.
And I saw her and I just, Istarted bawling.
So what we think happened
Pate (46:47):
You cry a lot.
You've been, you've been cryinga lot in this episode.
jme (46:50):
Well, because that's my baby.
I never had a pet like thatbefore.
I had one cat and my mom made meLeave him with her when I moved
out and I missed him so much andso my boyfriend got me the two
cats for Christmas and you know,I just I had never experienced
this before so I was so glad Ihad her back and she was not
(47:15):
very nice to curses when shecame back and the next morning
There was a door in our kitchenthat went to the roof.
It was not really a deck.
It was just a flat roof.
I opened the door, and Hex wason the outside.
And I was like, What the heck?
You just came back?
How did you do that?
(47:36):
The brother had left the windowopen.
Pate (47:37):
Oh, bloody hell.
jme (47:38):
In his room, and she jumped down onto the eve.
And I was like, you didn't learnanything.
Pate (47:43):
No, they don't.
They don't.
jme (47:45):
So, yeah, she was very exploratory, but after that we
had to be very, very carefulbecause she was really curious.
Right.
And, you know, once a cat goesout, often they get more curious
and they want to keep goingagain.
So it's better not to introducethem to that world.
Yeah.
At all.
Pate (48:05):
Well, unless you have a catio, because they can still
explore outside and, you know,get the things.
Yeah.
And then, right.
Watch the butterflies.
It's great.
If you had like a hummingbirdthing for them to see, for them
to engage.
Right.
But also protect.
Yeah.
Safety wise.
Like my cats are.
(48:27):
They're indoor only, but they dohave a catio scenario.
And there they have a littlewindow and a, yeah, a ramp that
goes out to like a, yeah.
And a closed ramp.
Mm-hmm They go down to thelittle Cady.
Yeah.
Window ledge.
Like little.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
'cause we have the window ledgeright outside the bathroom.
And then we have a doggy door.
So it goes out the bathroomaround the house, down into like
(48:50):
a little.
You know, little, what, five byfive?
Like, yeah, like, almost like alarge kennel.
Right.
And, um.
But just enough for them toexplore.
Exactly.
And they're quite happy, um,doing that.
They haven't, they'll beoutside, they'll be outside all
day long if they could.
But we have not lost them,because they've had, they've got
(49:11):
their outdoor fix, I guess, youknow.
jme (49:14):
Probably the last thing we can talk about, to wrap this up
is, people, they want to do GPScolors or, Apple tags,
Pate (49:24):
air tags,
jme (49:26):
So our first.
bit of advice is don't lose yourdog.
Don't lose your dog.
No, really.
Like if your dog is wandering,putting a GPS color on them
shouldn't make you feel betteryou need to stop them wandering,
right?
Pate (49:38):
Well, not just that, but people can you please stop
thinking it's okay just to letyour dog out the front door to
go piss and shit.
In the neighborhood and thencome back because one day
they're not coming back and it'shappened so many times and I'm
(50:00):
sorry that's so damn lazy ofyou.
Just put your dog on a leash, gooutside and walk it or you know,
if you, that's for the ones whodon't have a yard or maybe they
have a yard and they just wantthem to go out in the front
door.
I don't understand it.
jme (50:15):
Going back to what you said about using the Flexi Leash, the
only application of using theFlexi Leash would be a situation
like that.
Clip the Flexi Leash to yourdog's collar, have it like
tethered to the porch, let themgo out.
then they come back.
Don't walk your dog on flexileashes, please.
Not at all.
But this is a good way if yourdog needs to wander and sniff
(50:40):
and they take half an hour inthe rain or whatever it is, do
that or have a zip line.
Pate (50:45):
Yeah.
Like in the backyard, have atether, a zip line tether or
whatever.
They don't need to go out yourfront door.
To either be coyote food, orpave, uh, pizza pavement, or
some random person grab your dogand go.
jme (51:02):
The other thing about harnesses we don't like
harnesses for walking, as theonly form of security.
If you have a harness, youshould clip it to the collar
too.
We prefer martingale collarsbecause those kind are really
hard to escape from.
Harnesses are, you can say whatyou want, but they are so easy
(51:24):
to get out of most of the time.
And before I had Motley's Zoo,we were at an adoption event,
and I was fostering for thisother group.
The family adopted a dog, tookit out in the parking lot, it
pulled out of the harness, raninto the road, and got run over
right in front of me.
Pate (51:38):
Holy crap.
No harnesses.
jme (51:41):
Well, no.
I mean And that happenedactually at one of our events.
One of the fosters thought theywere cute and brought a harness
that was really pretty and thedog got out of it in the parking
lot and almost got hit.
We don't like harnesses.
Pate (51:55):
And that's when we started using the martingales.
jme (51:57):
Exclusively.
And Max and Neo, thank you Maxand Neo, they donate.
To organizations like ours, youcan also purchase Max and Neo
Martingale collars for rescues.
They have a locking feature soyou can lock it so that the
buckle will never come apart.
Pate (52:13):
You do have to put them on appropriately.
Because sometimes people makethem too loose.
jme (52:20):
Oh yeah, it's not like jewelry.
Pate (52:22):
No, yeah.
jme (52:23):
It's like a high.
Up as high up as you can.
Yeah, and and snug.
Pate (52:29):
Yeah, not nuts.
I mean like two fingers, youknow, like
jme (52:33):
the last tip, as this has happened to a few people a few
times, secure your dog whenthey're in the car.
And teach them not to jump outof the car until
Pate (52:43):
seatbelt harnesses,
jme (52:43):
until you allow them to.
Mm-hmm We had a foster who, Idon't know she must have put the
dog in the car herself, and Idon't know how she didn't get
the spiel or it didn't sink inor something, but we're we're
really pretty good about talkingto people about it.
They didn't secure her and shewas a super freaky deaky dog.
And as soon as she got to herhouse, the dog jumped out, she
(53:06):
couldn't grab the leash in time,and the dog was running down the
highway.
And people were stopping,thankfully, and Dawna and Miley
went and got her.
But it was not easy to catch herbecause she was super freaky
deaky.
I'm rethinking my statementabout how infrequently this has
happened to us.
(53:27):
It's still infrequent comparedto other organizations, but
Pate (53:30):
Well, I mean, it's not that, we haven't had a lot of
lost dogs.
Well, and permanently lost,right?
jme (53:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Pate (53:37):
We've had dogs get loose.
You know, and then because ofthese dogs that get loose, then
we tighten our rules.
Right?
jme (53:49):
Well, we have done like two and a half episodes time with
this episode.
Pate (53:57):
So to wrap it up, what have we learned today about lost
pets?
The minute you lose your pet,you go to threeretrievers.
com.
You read the steps that you needto take to find your lost dog.
You reach out to social media,you get those, yeah, you get
those posters up.
And then.
(54:17):
You just start doing everythingelse on Jim's list because he
has success.
jme (54:23):
And we're going to do its own episode about pet technology
and the GPS stuff.
Just don't rely on them as anoption to keep your pet safe
because it's not going to keepthem from running in the road.
It's not going to keep apredator from hurting them.
not gonna keep them safe.
It's a false sense of security.
You might know where they are.
Pate (54:44):
I mean, it's a good backup plan, okay?
jme (54:46):
It is a good backup plan.
Pate (54:47):
It's not your first, um, what's it?
jme (54:51):
Line of defense.
Pate (54:52):
That one.
Yeah, it's not your first lineof defense.
It's your backup plan.
jme (54:58):
All right, well, we are wrapping this up, and we will
have the link to Jim Branson'ssite and some of the information
that we wrote a blog about itwhen Danny was found.
We will link those things in ourblog.
What's it called?
Transcript.
And, and then you can check outmore information there.
If you want to talk to us, emailus at rescueshit@motleyzoo.org.
(55:23):
And otherwise, I'm jme.
Pate (55:25):
I'm Pate.
This is our podcast, RescueShit.
Rock on.
jme (55:30):
Rescue on.
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